Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - It Runs in the Family with Shaun Cassidy

Episode Date: February 14, 2025

Singer Shaun Cassidy's talent goes well beyond his gene pool.The 'Da Doo Ron Ron' hitmaker tells Oliver all about his 'nepo baby' experience, and shares what he'd be doing if his family wasn't famous. Plus, how his connection to Goldie Hawn dates back to the days when Kate was a bun in the ovenSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Revelry. That's good. My man, Sean Cassidy, who I have known for a minute now, is in the waiting room. He produced, created a show that I still think.

think could have been a hit and he danced with my mom he's a superstar uh bring him in let's see what the hell this this fucking guy's doing now because it's been a minute since i've seen this dude look at you look at you no no look at you look at you this is crazy dude i've seen you it's so long. It was a little unnerving, actually. How long? How long has it been? I mean... Almost 20 years, I think.

This fucking nuts. It's a quick trip. I just... I don't know. It's scary sometimes. You know, I got three kids now, and they're all old. Or 17. It's 14. And then it's just like, before you know it, we're just dead.

You know what I mean? Hopefully we have some fun along. the way. We do. We do. Well, how are you? Number one. I'm great. I have a few kids of my own. We have, I guess, four kids, maybe since I've seen you. Maybe. Is that possible? Maybe. Yes, we have a 19-year-old, 18-year-old, 16-year-old, and a 13-year-old, and we live in the wine country of Santa Barbara which is a beautiful place to live and raise kids wow you lucky man I love it how is Aaron she's great man she's great we have three 17 14 11 and yeah things are pushing along very nicely you know

not without his bumps and a few little bruises but that's to be expected you know what I mean but the fact that we've maintained for 20 plus years uh you know it's pretty good dude it's pretty good you know i'm still on this business believe it or not i'm still an actor but i'm producing i have a deal at fox so it's been really fun doing that doing this has been a blast and just hustling up money any way i can you know i i'll sell my soul just it just depends on the price that's kind of where i'm at you know how long have you been doing this podcast well shit four years now five years of my sister yeah we were kind of when we started there was 900 000 podcast and we're like holy fuck you know and this is when sort of dax was blowing up and of course you've got rogan and

all the those guys now but and we're like oh it's there's so many people now of course there's six plus million podcasts out there so you know it's it's been fun though it's been fun to reconnect with my sister and do something together creatively. There's been iterations of it, you know what I mean? Like she's been busy as she is and I sort of take over. But I dig it, man. I dig it. I like talking.

I like getting to know. I think I would enjoy it as well. You have one, don't you? No, I don't. I've been asked to do them, but I found the fact that there were six million already a little daunting. and I thought, well, it's enough podcast. But when I like the people who are hosting them, and there's something interesting to talk about, I think it's fun.

I don't listen to too many. I don't either, by the way. Like, I've been doing this forever. I don't listen to podcasts. I just don't. There's a great one called the 500 songs of rock and roll, history of rock in 500 songs. where this man goes so deep dive on the connective tissue of different songs

and musicians play on records and the songs that inspired the song and the songs that were ripped off. Sympathy for the devil has like a six-hour podcast just on it. Wow. But I'll listen to that because I just tend to know some of the people and it's great when you're on a hike. You can just go for hours. Yeah.

No, yeah, I know. It's great. the to put the earbuds in and just sort of roll, you know, and you can lose yourself in them, for sure. I just, I feel like there's so much more I can do. And by the way, when I walk and when I run, I don't like, I don't like to listen. I, that's the time for my thoughts. Yeah, for sure. You know, that's the time to sort of plan my next strike. It's so funny, I was just talking to mom. I literally just got out of the phone with mom. Come on with you. And she's like, well, tell Sean, I say, hi. Oh, my God.

we sang together, you know? What was that? What did you guys sing? Was it a variety show? Your mom hosted a, had a special, Oldie Hawn special, and they asked if I'd come on. And we sat at a piano and she sang, although you belong to somebody else,

you belong to me. All right. saying a little like a valid version of to do run run against that and mom was and is adorable and I had a crush on her like everybody in the world I think um and it was really sweet it was really and you know what's interesting I was thinking about this too passage of time I was in Hawaii with your mom when she was pregnant with Kate oh wow she and your dad you were already here And you were a little kid. And when you were born, you had some health challenges, brother.

She had a tough life with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had maconium aspiration. Back in the day, they just let you cook in there until you came out. You know, I was in there for three weeks too long. And I basically, you know, ate shit and almost died. I mean, essentially, I took a dump in the boom and I couldn't hold it. And I inhaled it.

I think you were in Hawaii, too, a running around. Very possible. Yes. But she was very pregnant. And I think this was after. we'd already done that special we had mutual friends we went as a little group um and you know i knew your dad and your uncles we used to play cards together and actually oh yeah a lot and and i think that i think they opened for me in a couple of shows here and there yeah amazing no i know when so my dad

you know we've talked about this but we had sort of a tumultuous relationship and talked about the million time show but we've reconnected again which has been actually really nice good um but that that dude likes to gamble i mean he still goes and plays poker like five times a week in ventura you know and it's funny because oh yeah yeah yeah when i was um i don't play cards much anymore but i got hooked on poker i was addicted i loved it so so much i had a poker in my old house i play at commerce i played at hustler i played in wbt events i played in world series of poker events where I busted on the first hand on TV on ESPN. That's a whole other story. And then when I reconnected with my dad and it was just really interesting to Apple tree. Yeah, look at a man who I didn't

really know that well and reconnect with someone who is so similar to me in so many ways, not just poker but kind of his philosophies of life the way that he operates just uh you also sound and look like him yeah do i know i know and it's the tone of who he is and when we drank a few we drank a bunch of beers and like we're getting teary-eyed because it was just really unreal you know to see someone in front of you who's your father who you are who you emulate and didn't realize it And for him to see his younger self, essentially, in me, it was a really, it was a moment. It was a moment, you know. But anyway, all this to say that he still plays poker.

We used to go to Seaside, Oregon, and him and his brothers would play Liars Poker. They'd have ones out everywhere and play Liars Poker with the serial numbers. They grew up in Portland, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember them going to Astoria here and there, too. we may have played Portland together. Yeah. I don't know how I met them.

Again, I think all of my friends were older than me when I was like 14, 15, 16. Everyone was like in their 20s. Yeah. But we hung out a lot back then. Yeah. Bernie Toppen is a real good pal of mine. And Bernie produced an album for them. Yeah.

And I'd known, I met Bernie when I was 10 because my parents went to see Elton John at the Trupador and brought Elton and Bernie back to the house. And miraculously, we ended up being friends later on and stayed friends and are still very good friends. But I remember he produced the Hudson Brothers. How old were you and Elton and Bernie came to your house? Ten. Do you remember that?

Oh, yeah, very well. Because I had bought your song, the 45. Yeah. I thought it was weird. Why am my parents, A, going to the Trupador, which seemed like a young people place, and they weren't that old to them, but they seemed a hundred to me. And why are they going to see Elton John? How do they know Elton John?

Because Elton John was a brand new thing. And the Trooper was a very big deal for Elton John. Yeah. It kind of broke him in America. Wow. And he was like 23 and Bernie was like 20 or 21. And apparently my father and my mother invited them back to the house. And I think Bernie wanted to meet my mom.

And I'm pretty sure Elton wanted to meet my brother David, who wasn't there. But they ended up playing around the piano. sitting around the piano playing tunes and Bernie talked to me. What are you doing? I'm like music. Maybe I'll play music someday. Well, good luck, son. And somehow we reconnected years later.

And when I did the show, the Hardy Boys, Bernie actually guest star on it because they called and said, do you know any famous people? I said, well, I know Bernie Taupin. Yeah. And they said, okay, yeah, he can come on the show. Wow. I don't know we got on that, but Hudson Brothers, Bernie connection then. Well, I'm sure, you know, growing up the way that you grew up in the spotlight and your family

and all that, I'm sure you have some amazing, you know, stories as far as your interactions. Yeah, you probably think about that, Ollie. It's a whole other world when you grew up in a show business family. No, but here's the difference. You know, you were in a time where there were legends were being made. You know what I'm saying? Like nowadays. Well, we do legends.

They're still led. Every decade is. Nah. Dude, you're with Elton John at 10 years old, him playing the piano. in your house. I mean, you know, what's the equivalent? It's like, it's like Kendrick Lamar at my house with my kids. Well, to put this into some, this for everyone listening. So, Sean and I met a million years ago, I had a, I had a acting deal at the WB at the time. And there was a show called the Mountain, which still to this day, and I said this in the intro,

I don't know why this thing didn't keep going because it was so fucking great. So great. The cast was great. Everything was great. It was really good. And Stephanie Savage, who I worked on the show, who did the O.C. with Josh Schwartz. I still watch it. I'll still watch clips and stuff.

I'm like, man, it was so good. The music was a 10. You know, I remember I discovered Ray LaMontaine, essentially. It was amazing. The music was amazing. Well, one extraordinary thing happened because we had a great music supervisor and Warner Brothers was feeding us new artists

like Blink 182, new artists. But there was this other artist, this band called Green Day, which had some success and then kind of faded and had this new record coming out called American Idiot. and they asked us if we would sort of break the record on the show to help give it some juice because they were a little bit, you know,

been in a while for Green Day, whatever. Anyway, so we're playing all these songs from American Idiot in the show, and it becomes their biggest record ever, right? And that was exciting. And you guys were great. It was really fun. The whole thing was fun. I still haven't seen anything like it, you know.

I mean, it was that WB tone that had that soap element, but everyone was so grounded and real that it didn't feel over the top. And it was such a great story, sort of, you know, semi-based on some kind of reality with Dave, you know, who was... Yeah, the family that founded Mammoth Mountain. Yeah, yeah. And I was just there two weekends ago in Mammoth, and I hadn't been there since I was a kid. And it was really fun to sort of see all the history there knowing that this is what was you know you know by the way David my character Dave Carver was named after the guy who founded mammoth you know who is and there's a there's actually a a place on like live 14 or whatever it's called boundary which I think ours was called boundary

mountain but there was like a yeah but there was a there was a there was a you know like a drink spot or a food spot called like the boundary or something like that oh yeah it was just really really, really cool to see. But anyway, yeah, I mean, it was ski slopes. It was sexy. It was fun. It was sort of the haves and the have-nots. It was that battle.

I mean, it's all you wanted. Yeah. You know, McGee did produce, directed the pilot. Well, let me ask you a question. What happened? Well, why didn't we get picked up? Did we just not get good numbers? I mean, well, sort of, it was the dying days of the WB.

Mm-hmm. That had something to do with it. They were having, I think, a problem just generally getting people. to watch the WV? Yeah. I never know with these things. There's so many things we have nothing to do with the quality of a show. I mean, I've been really fortunate.

I've gotten a lot of shows on the air. I haven't had too many shows that ran a long time. But, you know, I sort of gauge success by the experience, not the result. And I consider the mountain a great success because I had a fantastic experience. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But why things run and why they don't? I just came off a show that ran five years called,

New Amsterdam, a really great show. And the irony is it was on NBC, five years. I live in a relatively small town in the central coast of California. And people through the years would say, hey, what are you working on? I'm working on the show New Amsterdam. They're like, good for you. Clearly had not seen it. Show is canceled.

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Are you creating? Are you constantly creating and writing and developing? Are you, where are you at now? I don't have to make something every day. I don't know. I get up and make stuff. I have a deal at Universal, which I've had for a long time, and I have three different pilots in various stages of development right now, one of which, writing two of which I'm overseeing. and one or all or none may see the light of day, but that's business. And I've been, I started performing again.

I hadn't performed. Really? The last concert was in 1980 at the Astrodome in Houston. And I said, good night and like, be you soon. And then didn't do another show until like 2020. But I decided, weirdly terrible timing in the middle of the pandemic to go out and like tell stories and sing some songs that people of a certain age I know.

And it kind of caught fire. It did really well. So I'm going to keep trying to do that as a little side hustle because it's fun. Yeah, fun. Fun. Yeah. So where did you actually grow up? Where were you born and raised?

I was born in L.A. at St. John's Hospital, Santa Monica. Wow. I grew up in L.A. and New York. My mom was a movie actor. And whenever she was in a movie, I'd be in L.A. or wherever the movie was shooting. And my father was primarily a Broadway actor, musicals. If he was going to hit show in New York, we'd move to New York. So back and forth.

And I've lived in both places as an adult and about 12, no more, 14 years ago, with four kids under seven, we moved out of L.A. Because I wanted to give them more time with a childhood. Yeah, smart. And I'm grateful we did. Yeah, yeah, I did, I did, you know, similar. I had a similar experience. We were in Colorado for half the year. When I was growing up.

You grew up too, right? Yeah. Isn't that where Goldie and Kurt lived? Yeah, so we were there about half the year, you know, for a while. Then my grandmother got sick and we had to sort of spend the rest of the time in L.A. My parents say that if grandma ever got sick, we might have even moved there. But I sort of followed suit, you know, when I had my kids. I took them out of school for two years.

I'm like, we're getting out of L.A. We're going to put you in the public school system in Basalt. And we are going to live in the mountains. And it was amazing. I'm really, really amazing. And so beneficial for them. You can see it now. You know, just the way they think, how they operate, how they love nature.

You have the same experience. And I, you know, we lived in a pretty fast area when we left. And the kids who grew up in the area we left, we see them now. And they're like, I mean, wait, our kids are like, roobes, which I love. I mean, they've just been around the world a bit with us. Yeah. But their home is here and they're grounded. And they're amazingly neurosis free.

Yeah. Yeah. So. Amazing. Nice work. Yeah. And how many siblings did you have, total? My older brother, David, half-brother, my father's son, my mom's, and I'm the oldest from Shirley Jones and two younger brothers, Patrick, who's also an actor and runs a theater now outside of Nashville.

And youngest brother Ryan is a set decorator. So was everyone in the business, every single one? Yeah, pretty much. Not my kids. No, not yet. I ain't ever know. Well, I have three older ones. I mean, they're behind the scenes a bit.

Yeah. But no, we'll see. But you didn't know anything else, right? I mean, I'm relating this to myself. Like, you know, we didn't know anything else. And now that Kate has kids, I have kids, Wyatt has kids, like there's a lot of grandkids and slash cousins. They all want to be in the business because it's all that they know. I mean, essentially was that kind of how it worked for you growing up?

Yeah, I thought about this a lot on reflection. I mean, it's funny, you know, people, the nepo baby thing, people talk about it. I have no issue with that because I know a lot of nepo babies in other business. You know, dad owned the hardware store. You learned about hardware and you took over the hardware store. Mom owned the vet clinic and now you're the veterinarian running. I think it's great schooling if that's what you are passionate about. And like you, in our case, we grew up.

That's all we saw. So we kind of knew how to do it by osmosis. But I don't really think, had I grown up in a family that wasn't in the business, I ever would have become an actor. And I just sort of like, I kind of 18 years old, cute kid, I could walk and talk at the same time. So I ended up on a television show. But even as I'm doing the television show, I'm like, the writer's room.

That's where the magic happened. I was like, on to that. It was like, oh, that's what I need to be doing. I don't really love the life of being a public figure. I like sitting alone in a room thinking and making stuff up. So I was the most reluctant, famous person. And so many of the choices I made reflect that because I was offered all kinds of things that probably would have been great if you wanted a big.

I didn't. The minute I became famous, it was like, okay, I'm not going to be known as his son or her son or his brother or whatever. I'm going to be known as me now. And now I'm going to go hide in my room for like 10 years. I thought what I really want to do. And that's what I did. And I love writing.

I love producing. And only, again, in recent years, I've been like, I guess I can go on the stage again and, you know, tell jokes and sing. And now I really enjoy it. But I don't have the burning, you know, the hole that so many performers have. Mm-hmm. Love me. But what was it like growing up in that kind of a spotlight? Because it wasn't dissimilar, obviously, to what I went through.

It was your mom and your dad and all of that, you know. I mean, it's always double-edged. It's a fun, you know, energetic, big lifestyle, but at the same time, you know, for me, you know, there is some desire to not have your parents be known. And personally, for me, I didn't like when people would come up to my mom when I was a kid, you know, we're having dinner and they'd come up and it would, like, bother me, you know, because she's my mom. And, you know, this is when I was little, you know, but... Your mom, who I watched, have that experience more than once, was always very gracious. She's very, yeah. Really gracious.

And a lovely, lovely lady and very unshow busy, like my mom. My mom is like one of the most grounded people you'll ever meet. And she taught me by example how you treat people in public. Mm-hmm. And she always talked about, you know, what really... This was just our job. In fact, my parents used to say, we're just here in L.A. for the movie or the TV show. Don't worry.

We're going to be living on a farm in Pennsylvania because they were both East Coast people. My dad was from New York. She was from Pennsylvania. And they were like always talking about we're going to go back. We're going to live in the country. Dad wants to be whiter. So that never happened. But somehow that message like went into me.

And I am basically living the life. My parents talked about mattering, but weren't. able to actually get to themselves, and I've thought about that, but I've also thought about what you was saying in terms of like, if people feel they own your parents, often at your expense, it can be hard. And I recently did this, oh, actually, sidebar about wine, because somebody gave me a bottle of your... Oh, Gogi.

Yeah. Kurt and Goldie's wine, maybe? Well, there's one called Galdi, it's a Chardonnay, but Kurt makes all the wine in Santerina to Hills and it's a Pino and it's really it's fucking good man there's like 10 vintages 12 vintages of it you make one too here i'll tell you about that in a second but yeah oh in terms of like feeling that like ownership of your parent i i was i was doing this event for turner classic movies and and they were talking to me about my career and my mom and my dad and i introduced a movie she'd made called the courtship of eddie's father that she's

she did with Ron Howard. And she worked with Ronnie, Ronnie, twice on The Music Man and this. And I was on the set of both of these when I'm like four years old. And I remember being jealous of Ronnie Howard because he was playing her son. And everybody thought it was her son because of the movies. And I'd forgotten I actually felt that way. I only seen the movie did I go, oh, because I've seen Ron over the years since. Yeah.

But it's an interesting weird conflicted feeling. Pride isn't my mother beautiful. People really love her. Isn't that awesome? But I wish we just had this time ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. No, for real.

I mean, I can completely relate to that. And then as you get older, as I got older, there's so much pride in the icon that is my mother. you know, whereas before it was maybe a rejection because of an underdeveloped brain, a divorce, and needing all of her attention, you know, maybe from an unhealthy place, to then growing up, dealing with my own shit and understanding and being so prideful of how, of what an icon she is and what she has done, you know, for her industry as a woman, you know, and even beyond that, you know, mental health. children. So, you know, it's funny how you go from one place and then sort of end up,

you know, end up where we are where I am right now, you know. Mom's a great example of, it's not about the success you achieve, it's what you do with it. Yeah. And, and Kurt is a pretty inspiring guy too. I think I've only met him once, but I, I worked at Disney for a long time. I had an office. Actually, I had Walt Disney's office, believe it or not, for like four years. Wow. Just dumb luck. Yeah. I ended up in there and I used to give tours.

This is where Walt gave notes on Pinocchio and The Matterport. Kurt Russell's picture was all over the place at Disney. And when I was a little kid, he was the Disney guy. And the fact that he, you know, transformed himself and went way beyond that as an actor, pretty impressive. Oh, yeah. Oh, God, yeah. And he's having a major resurgence. right now. It's just working his ass off. What was the dynamic like, sibling dynamic growing up,

you know, as you guys were getting older? I mean, was it fun? Did you have fun? Was there fighting? I mean, especially just you're on the road, you know? I mean, you're moving. You're shaking. Like, how did that all pan out? It changed. I mean, our father died when I was 18. Patrick was 14. Ryan was 10. And my brother were, my older brother David, were estranged. which was rough. But in a strange way, his loss bonded us. I literally remember the day he died, the four of us hugging and crying

and sort of forging this like, he will live in us. It wasn't sad, but that was the feeling. And it's been an actual experience. We are now all, well, David has passed, but Patrick Ryan and I are all older than my dad was when he died. And we see each other and see our father, you know, like the experience you had with your dad, you may see it in your uncles too. I don't know. But it really validates this notion that life is continuous. It just sort of travels through these cars we drive called our bodies, you know. Yeah. But he's here. David here and my brothers. Yes, we fought. Patrick and I,

were the closest in age. I was the oldest brother in the house. And Patrick was an athlete and tall and very, like, hot-headed. And I would torture him mentally, sadistically, often, which he reminds me to this day. And Ryan was often on the sidelines trying to find a way in. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos.

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Yeah. So, I mean, I couldn't throw football like Patrick. Patrick was a quarterback at Beverly Hills High School. Yeah. And, you know, I was in satin pants, shaking my ass at some club instead. So... And Ryan was very internal and thoughtful and artistic.

And he's kind of the historian in our family. now. He has every memento related to my father and my parents and their careers in our lives. Wow. Cool. And David was, you know, he was an only child who my father had left, which was sort of the core wound for him, always trying to get his approval. My father was a tough guy. And my father never, they never reconciled that, huh? Back and forth, you know. But my dad, as, you know, inspiring in many ways as he was. He was not a good father.

He was not even conscious father. There was no going to the Little League game or showing up at the open house. It wasn't on Broadway. Okay. Right. That was his priority. His priority was his work.

Right. Yeah. I mean, he was a narcissist. His priority was freedom. Right. But I got a lot of great stuff from him. No doubt. no doubt about that you know what i mean um and you know he was a he was physically around it seems

but just not there right not even that physically not even that right okay no he was like a guest star in the house he'd show right and that's is that just because he was working so much i mean is that really what it was and often in new york yeah but did he ever or did your mom was it ever like you know hey like your kids need you i mean was there ever any chatter of that or was it just like This is just what the fuck it is. Yeah, probably. But my mother, I mean, my mother was working a lot, too. Yeah.

You know, honestly, I was kind of running the house. You were. Yeah. There'd be like a housekeeper around, maybe. And me. Yeah. And then David, when David would show up, and David would come like on weekends when he was younger.

And we'd look together for a year when he was 18 and I was 10 in New York. And David ended up in a Broadway show. It was his first job. And that was really fun. But as we got to know each other later, as we got, you know, closer and age, and I'm in my 20s, he's in his late 20s. And I also now had this very similar experience because Dave was a big pop star. I had an TV star off the Partridge family. And then I had a very similar experience to his, like seven, eight years later.

There were very few people that have had that experience. So to be able to talk to him about it, like, you know. yeah it was helpful for both of us I think how did that happen for you you know I mean because the way you talk right now is like yes you didn't like the fame part your soul sort of wants to find a dark room and create stories but how did this all come about is it did you want to be a performer or was this just something like fuck everyone's just I knew I said earlier I knew how to Yeah, right. It was a way, I wanted out of my house.

Here's true story. I signed a record contract when I was 16 while I'm in high school with Warner Brothers, and their idea to break records for me was to record like individual singles, put the amount in various markets in Europe, Australia, see if you can get a hit record. If you get a hit record somewhere, then you can bring it back to America, put it in front of a DJ, and it'll pop out of the pile of 100, that he's been given that week, you know.

And I ended up having like a number one record in Australia and a number one record in Germany. And I'm then going back to high school in algebra, which was like weird. And then I graduate from high school. I haven't seen any money, really. And do I go to college? My, our family's manager, who was like my aunt,

basically said, why don't you go on some acting auditions, you know, see if you can walk and talk at the same time, make a job. So I literally went into it like that. And my second audition was the Hardy Boys, and I got the part. Right. Warner Brothers then quickly hustled to put together the rest of these records. So the show comes on.

My album comes out. It's the biggest selling solo debut in history until Whitney Houston, a few years later. Wow. Big, big record, nominated for Jimmy. I opened the ground boards. I'm like, Beyonce. Oh, my God. And the show's a big hit.

And it's happened. and all I want to do is go back to my room. Wait a minute, wait. So when this is all going down and you're doing the... This is going down while you're one years old

running around on the beach in Honolulu, mom is pregnant with Kate. But are you just like, oh my God, wait a minute. Like, I don't really want to be doing this, but they're pushing me to do it. It just scared me.

It was like too much. But you had no choice, right? I mean, you did have a voice. Yeah, I could have joined the army. Or you could have said, like, I don't want to fucking do this. I don't want to do it, but you did. But I wasn't like, I don't want to do this. I just didn't have a drive to do it.

I just sort of like, okay, I'll try that. Seems like an interesting experience. I love to sing. Yeah. I could sing. Yeah. I wasn't a very good actor when I started. I got better.

But, I mean, I wasn't, like, on some train to be an actor. And the concerts were amazing. I mean, Madison Square Garden. Yeah. right astrodome 55,000 people it was crazy uh but like by the time I was 21 I got married partially to escape like I want a family bought a house did a whole thing and kind of stayed home for the 80s and read books right and you know all my friends had gone to college I hadn't so I felt like I better try and catch up so I ended up reading way more than they did because

they were at keg parties or whatever they were. And then at like 29, I sold my first script and off I went. And I've been doing this consistently since then. So wait a minute. You probably had an opportunity, obviously, to continue the career that you, that sort of fell on your lap, right? And to sort of parlay that into big, big things. And you made the choice to say, you know what? I did the touring.

I played MSG. Hardy Boys, like, okay, I'm done with this. Yes, but also I was really fortunate. My first script I wrote was a show called American Gothic, which I, the last acting I did was a Broadway show called Blood Brothers with David. We did it for like over a year and a half on Broadway. And today, I'd already had gotten a little office at Universal, where I still am, weirdly. And I wrote the script called American Gothic that became a series.

Sam Ramey produced it with me. and start Gary Cole, Sarah Paulson's first job, had a great cast, and became like the darling of the 1994 TV season, beautiful in the New York Times. So suddenly I'm like a new kid and people, the show was very dark and my image had been very light, you know, boy next door so that people couldn't quite get their head around how those two things went together and I was off and running.

Now, and I've been doing the job happily and relatively successfully for 30 years since then, but had that not happened, when they called me to play Vegas when I'm 35, I would have been in Vegas playing, yeah, you've got to children. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, but, you know, I didn't want to be Justin Timberlick. I didn't want to, like, take the teen idol thing and transition to be serious artist. I just didn't want to. yeah uh i loved what i was doing i still do yeah at this stage in my life to be able to go out and tell stories which is primarily i mean i sing songs and there's music but when people ask me why would you go out at this stage in your life if you never did it all those other years i said because all those other years i thought i'd have to with all respect to mcjagger putting on the same outfit and shaking the way you know i i couldn't get my head around how do i do anything else but i realized oh storyteller 30 years i can tell stories

that people might find interesting or funny or emotional or whatever and sing songs but present the songs in a context that is fresh so it doesn't feel like i'm just doing some old days tour that's cool that's cool is it set up like are you already doing dates i mean is this something i did it for four years and stopped last year okay i did it during the pandemic which was yeah yeah yeah yeah just out of the blue they called me in Mark and Philly in Boston to do shows around the holidays on yeah I'm thinking that maybe at the end of next year

I'll go out with a real tour again how does that feel man because as a writer you know that you don't get that those performing nerves you know even as an actor doing like shows that we do right I mean it's like you know you're rolling camera and like here we go

I mean have you felt that And, you know, I know you've been doing it for the last four years, but what does it like to get on stage again and feel that sort of rush? It's better. It's way better. Well, again, when you're playing like a basketball arena, yeah, everybody's screaming, you can't really engage. You're just feeling this energy, which is amazing. But now I can look people in the eye and actually have interaction. Mm-hmm.

Talk about things that, again, are funny or meaningful or, you know. you know, hopefully interesting, and have a shared experience. The other, you know, I was stupid because I thought, well, I'm the only one who's changed. It's like, no, no, the whole audience has changed. They've had a lot. They've gotten married with the borister, had kids, or whatever. So they bring something to the party too, you know, and it's actually beautiful. And it's really, it's really fun.

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racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem a year from now. When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand.

It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast you should call my dad because the hudson brothers are going back on tour they are wow yeah oh my god i'm fuck dude like i mean a billion years ago i mean they are always in some sort of tumultuous situation where they're not talking to each other now they're friends and now this one's talking to this one i'm not talking it's the brother thing you know and then and then

And, but now, you know, they're together. They got the band back together and they're, they got dates and they're going on the road. You guys should reunite open for each other. That's awesome. That's fun, man. That's good for you. Kate is singing too. I've seen some videos.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Big voice. Oh, it's big. Yes, this is, it's been so great for her. You know, she's accomplished, you know, so much as an actor and a business woman. um and singing is always something that she loved to do what was afraid to do and kate's not really afraid of much but she faced those fears she said fuck it let's go um you know i think she financed some of it herself i could be wrong i'm all that i don't know but she just put

her money where her mouth was literally and just crushed it i mean she is her album is great you know her voice is big and real and gritty and we've seen her multiple times and this just been really fun for her and for us to sort of watch her fulfill. Do you have any musical, anything? Do you play any instruments? Don't play any instruments. My biggest regret, honestly, is I wish I played instruments. I make the joke, like, I don't, you know, dad left when I was a kid, but, you know,

really, what I hate him for is he just didn't teach me the guitar. You know, I mean, that's the bummer. I, I love music. I love to sing. I can sing, you know, but no, I mean, I don't, I don't have any sort of real aspirations, you know, but your kids? Rio. My daughter is like a performer through and through and through.

I mean, it's nuts. I mean, she's just, she's 11 and she loves to sing and she takes, you know, hours of dance class every week and she does plays. I mean, she's just, I don't know, I don't know where she came from, dude. She's like, sets her alarm at 620. the morning she's dressed she's ready she makes her own lunch you know we're still in bed rio's like ready to roll ready to go i mean she's extremely self-sufficient her executive functioning is better than mine she's she's amazing all my kids are great they all want to be

actors wilder my oldest just finished his first acting class which is an adult acting class which was good i wanted him to be with adults he loved it bodie my middle kid when he's now 14 when he was 10. He actually did a pilot that I did, a sitcom, and he auditioned for it. I thought it was just going to be a guest spot, but apparently it was a regular. So he tested for the network, tested for the studio, and got the gig. And so everyone's sort of dabbling and into it. You know what I mean? They're all, they're all on that, on the path anyway. Maybe I'll see them in my travels. Maybe I'll have a show they come in for. That'll be fun. Oh, my gosh. Well, we need to, How about us?

Like, let's fucking do something again. Are you in L.A. Now? I'm in L.A. I live in L.A. I live in Brentwood. And, yeah, you've got your universal deal. What is your deal at Universal?

Is it like a first look or an exclusive deal? No, it's an overall. I've had an overall for a long time. So you've got to go there first, though, before anything? No. I mean, NBC Universal, you basically, yeah, there are NBC's a mothership. So you pitch to them pitch to Peacock. Yeah.

They don't want it. don't want everything you go everywhere yeah yeah yeah i've had this deal at fox now for a couple years we're in our second year and it's been so fun it is like sort of reinvigorated my creativity you know as you know as an actor you're only as creative as the script that you're given and then the material and then you're waiting and auditioning for that gig where this is you're controlling your own destiny and you know we've sold a bunch of shows we're in development on a bunch of comedies and traumas and it's just so much fun. I love it. Really do. Well, you just said it. One of the reasons I didn't love acting is you have to wait for

somebody to call you. And right? It's like magician. I can make my own work. I can make work for other people. Yeah. How much does your experience growing up sort of factor into you as a parent? And this is your second time around, right? You have other kids. Third. Okay. Okay. So how have you seen, how have you at least upon reflection, if you ever have, evolved as a dad? I'm old. Did you do it differently when you were young? Yes, it wasn't good. I mean, I... You weren't good?

No, I was 21. Shit, you were 21 when you had your first kid? I was 19 when I met my first wife. She had an 8-year-old. So there was a human being out there who's 11 years younger. and me called the dad who I raised and we had two kids by the time I was 25 and so I have like real grown up yeah and I got married from the second time like 15 years later and that marriage didn't last very long but beautiful daughter is 25 now and then I met Tracy my wife for life I've been married to over 20 years and we have a great marriage but we have four more kids

So I got a lot of kids. And Thanksgiving is a lot of people. And, hey, they bring people. You don't even, you know, yeah, yeah. But how am I better, more patient, more understanding, less fearful. I've watched the arc of how they change. You know, when my girls stop talking to me at 14, that's normal. And then they come back to me at 16.

And then I'm wonderful again. And so I am less threatened, I think. by that stuff yeah but you don't take it as personally right no i dude i i know what you mean i you know my 17 year old 14 year old you know they go through these things i'm like what the fuck happened to you like you two years ago you were not getting out of my bed and you were saying dad can you please cuddle and now uh it's over i'm non-existent but you can't you can't take that personally they'll be back yeah yeah you just can't i talk to my my 25-year-old daughter almost every day were really close.

And our son, our oldest son, not my oldest son, but our oldest son, went to college last year. He was a baseball player. He's a six-five, a big guy and a really good athlete. And I'm just loving the experience of seeing him become a man. Yeah. And sharing it with his mom. But it's an experience I never had. And I never had an adult relationship with my father because he passed away so young.

So my son, my oldest son, is going to be 40 this year, one of my closest friends. And it's an amazing relationship because in his case, I'm a very young dad. Most of the kids don't have a dad as young as I am. In my 13-year-old daughter's case, I'm the old dad. Yeah. Wow. You run a, I mean, there's probably not a lot like you out there as far as your. Or sprang of them.

I'm a romantic. No, no. No, I get it. I get it. I get it. Wow, that's really, really cool. And your relationships have just sort of flourished with all your kids. Like, you've maintained that connection, that love.

It's pretty awesome. Christmas and Thanksgiving are really fun. You ever thought about writing something? I mean, that it's so different. Well, I do, I think. I just disguised it. There's a great family story in there. I'm writing a feature right now, a little side thing about a guy who's been married three times with kids from three different ones.

And most of them are adults. All of them in the movie, I think, are adults. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's, it's such a great, deep. There's so much to explore in all those relationships. I mean, it's pretty cool. it's so fast though that's the thing it's like it's just i know people say it when you're a little kid you know yeah but it's just it's a rocket ship look at no no i'm experiencing that right now man

like you know all the things that our parents told us well hey you know take advantage of this or don't forget this or remember this time you're like ah yeah i mean now as you get older that's that shit is true i said it to my kids and they're like uh i'm like don't i know what you're gonna do but trust me because i can't even believe it my kid's gonna go to college and that was my little butterball when he's out of his room i'm an emotional human like i'm gonna be devastated oh buddy it's toy story four you'll walk around the house and you'll see his little stuff yeah can and it's it's like a death they don't tell you that either when your kid goes to college yeah just like it's really an adjustment and we have another one about to go this

year, then it'll just be the two girls here. Years, though, you know, empty nest. Oh, gosh. No, no. You're right. It is like a death because, you know, when I put myself, you know, just project myself into that moment and you walk by his room and all the stuff is still there, but he's just not there anymore. It's still like, oh, my God, Wilder. Even though it wasn't chatty Kathy all the time, it was like, he was just. there and it felt good, you know, and now it's gone. It's crazy. It's crazy, dude. But it does make

you realize, you know, having kids for me really put into perspective how much my parents love me. And instead of taking that for granted, once I had kids, I'm able to sort of appreciate it more, you know, when they look at you, mom looks at you, and it's like, I just love you so much. or they get emotional watching you do something and you're like what is going on like what yeah now i understand that fully you know i'm sure mom's looking at me like i cannot believe you're 48 years old i mean i'm sure she's also bursting with pride yes um well dude this has been fun sean thank you for coming on buddy and uh it's been great to reconnect honestly like it's the reason i did it i wanted to see you no i'm excited

I was very excited to see you and talk to you. And you look amazing, by the way. You look, you like, I think you've gotten younger. You look fucking great. Maybe I'm less stressed than I was. Yeah. No, it's true. You look great.

You look great. What do you? Yeah. And then maybe we can, I don't know, hopefully we can reconnect. Maybe in the new year. We can. Take a little drive up to the wine country. I love it.

Wine, by the way. Oh, my wife will kill me if I don't mention it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, go. My first crush. Yeah. My first crush. We make a beautiful pinot noir too.

grows Santa Rita Hills grapes Yep, same as Kurt That's our backyard So come on up We'll share some wine My first crush, let's do it, buy it Yeah, I want to drink that Let's do it

I'm excited Love to all your family for me You too, brother It's great talking to you man You soon All right buddy Sean Cassidy Man, it's been a minute

He looks great That was really, really fun Really, really fun to talk to him We had a blast doing that show he is a very talented writer you know he just seems honestly right now

just very content and I I'm happy for him and his family and what a guy all right I'm out of here peace hey it's your favorite jersey girl Gia Judeyce welcome to casual chaos where I share my story this week I'm sitting down with

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