Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - It's a Mad Mad (Madden Brothers) World

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

There are siblings, and then there are twins!No one understands that special dynamic better than identical brothers Benji and Joel Madden.They may share the same chromosomes, but in this conversation we explore their differences too. The musicians tell us about moving cross country to escape a tumultuous childhood, their complicated relationship with their religious roots, and their thoughts on who comes first...your twin or your wife?Plus- when can we expect new music? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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we've been having us father and daughter for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeart Radio app, podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Introducing IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned

and angry patients. You think you're finally like in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story on the Iheart Radio app, Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory That's good

I just got off the road I was on the roads Today right No A little up the tent Really From the desert Okay

And I think my kids are still at your house The kids were sleeping I got a call last night from Wilder. Auntie Kate, can I like, can like someone turn the like jacuzzi on and like the lights in the pool? It's like really dark out here.

And he goes, I'll text you when I'm done, you know? Yeah. And of course, did not text when he was done. No. And he did text you? Okay. Oh, yeah, Wilder. I was like, I was like,

Wilder's just like living, living it up at, Yeah, it's like, so okay, can I get the chef to come over and like maybe cook some breakfast? What are you doing? I was like, I don't have a chef. But it was a great holiday, but I need like a holiday from a holiday. That's always what happens. But why?

I need to learn how to like. Because it's stressful. I know it's stressful. But everyone drinks and has fun and you're celebrating too much. And then you finish. like, I'm exhausted. Well, you were drinking a lot more than I normally see. True.

You're getting after it more than you normally do. Yeah, but you were like at 9.30, I like went to breakfast and you were like, you had like a beer. Yeah, with like lime squeezed in it, which was a first for me to see. Yeah, well, it was refreshing. You actually like cared about the lime squeeze. Oh, yeah, because it was an ice cold mug. Yeah. Where the corona was actually like slushing just a little bit.

Yeah. with that sort of hint of citrus and a little salt. Yeah. I mean, with a little hangover. And then you just feel amazing. I think more people will relate than not to that. I know,

but it did kind of make me sick just because we had like, we really did go pretty hard this holiday season. And so when I saw that, I was like, wow, that is commitment. And then I had two of them because it was so good. Yeah, which made me even sicker.

I was like, whoa. I think it's because you had your pre- nuvo and you had no fatty liver and so you just might as well just try to make it fatty you're just like you're like you're like you know what things look good no seriously come on let's fatten this liver up it's like the worst thing you could have done was have like no findings on your prenuvo I know I threw up well we all threw up we all that's I kind of feel weird talking about this a little bit but um but I'm going to because this was the first time this happened actually I I have never, I don't know what got into me or what happened. And I think... Could have been something else. It was possibly could have been something else.

But like, everyone was like, maybe it had something to do with... Maybe it had something to do with martini and then red wine. Yes, you told me this. And this is what your wife's whole thing was. I don't understand this theory, but go ahead. I've had martinis and wine before. I'm just thinking maybe it was like the four. bottle of wine. You drink like eight bottles of wine. Well, you know, I didn't, well, I didn't drink

that many. But I, but I did wake up. I felt terrible. I then was fine in the middle of the day. I like, got myself together and then went to bed that night and got really sick. And I was like, I don't understand what's going on. Oh yeah, Aaron and I had in bed. And I was like, and we're like, oh, finally. It's like Aaron. Right. And I was like, you need to get over here. It's not going well. And Aaron's like, oh, no. I've never had that. And then, and then the next night I went down.

And then the next night was Aaron. Oh, no. It was you. Then Aaron. Then you were the next night. I just over consumed. And you threw up. Yeah, yeah.

And then the next night was Aaron. And she also. Yeah. I know. Well, she just drank way too much wine and then smoked a big joint, which you cannot do. But then I realized then the next. morning, I was like, this is, this is, there's something wrong with us. There's, this is not okay, you know. No, I know. It was, it was, there was something that was like, what is this

telling us? We've never had this any holiday season. No, no, no. And for some reason, this one was like, guys, yeah, get it together. It's, it's, it's, and I'm happy it's Monday. Oh. I'm happy, like, to not drink for the week and clean myself out. I know. I know. I know. We start working out again. I know. Oh, God. I know. But then it's like 6.30 and you're like, ah.

I know. It's holiday season. Everything is a tough one. What's the season are you in? Balance in the holidays. We should talk to an expert about this. That's a good idea. Yeah.

Yeah, because it's impossible. It's definitely not going to be the Maddens, which is our next. No. I know. Are they here? I mean, I feel like we can, as much as I'm just on Joel. Joel and Benji, although... By the way, you've known them.

I've known them as well, but you've been really good friends with them for a long time. For so long. Joel, I've known Joel and Nicole, who are the absolute best couple. I love them so much. Joel's the best human ever. I just really appreciate it. I don't know Benji as much and as well as I know Joel. But I'm really excited to interview them because they're just the kindest, most lovely people.

And they've, I mean, I mean, they've been doing good, they've been in good Charlotte. I mean, since they were, I was there born. Yeah, since they were born. We'll get into that. We'll get into that with us. But anyway, they became entrepreneurs and they're doing amazing with their, with their streaming stuff, which I was reading about it, allows them to just be home. Family first stuff, you know, you know, which is how we live. That's who they are.

Yeah. They are family first. and they probably are actually the people to talk to you about balance because they totally cleaned their life up. They're like fully, they're... I don't know. Well, are they here? We can ask them. What's up?

Hey, I'm so happy. How are you? Good, how's it going? Guys, welcome to our podcast. Thanks for having us. Yeah, we were just talking about over-consuming yinder in the holiday season and how I can't stop. Every day I wake up wondering if I'm an alcoholic or not, which probably means I am.

I don't know. We're talking about balance. Yeah, balance is good most of the time. And then I said, I don't know. I mean, Benji and Joel, maybe they're the right people to talk to about balance. Maybe not. And then we were like, well, you look at all the years that have gone by. And this year was, we went a little harder than we.

we've normally gone. Yeah. And it was like... Everyone threw up. At one point, we were like, this is problematic. I think the world is going harder for some reason this year in all aspects. And I think it's a cultural moment that we could probably all find ways in which we are going to excess. in some way, shape, or form.

I think it's like a moment in the world and energetically. I don't know. I feel that way. I really think if you are asking yourself if you're an alcoholic, I actually think that's a good sign because I actually think if you're an alcoholic, you're not, you're unaware of it. Right. Oh, right.

Yeah, that's like that. That's your internal break system where it's, that's just your internal break system. Yeah, I think most people, yeah, most people have. have to have interventions done on them if they other people have to say right instead of myself i know but it's just like i'm not going to drink today i don't want to drink i'm just going to be cool i'm going to work out and then like you know the six 30 seven rolls around i'm like if i get i'm going to have a drink have a drink you know you work for it all year long you work for those holidays you know no that's right we just we're in it are you guys sober or do you guys still no no yeah no

not sober. Sober in some ways, for sure. I like to think I am very sober in some ways. Sober most of the time. Yeah, but as far as partaking in alcohol, definitely. I've never actually done a drug in my life. Really? Yeah.

You've been in a rock band your whole life and you've never died? I love hearing that. That's a rarity. Yeah, I don't know why. Yeah, it's a good thing. I don't actually have a thing against certainly don't think drugs are good for you, but I'm not a very judgey person when it comes to people doing drugs. I've certainly known tons of people that don't drugs,

but never had always been a little afraid of them myself. Yeah. Are we classifying weed as a drug? I judge. I judge everybody. I'm just going to put that out there. But weed isn't a drug. I mean, do we classify weed as a drug?

no we we it's legal it's legal so it's illegal it's a illicit drugs maybe i should be kind of with you i mean i've never done cocaine in my life you know i've never done any real drugs other than mushrooms and weed for the most part i don't those don't count those don't as drugs ecstasy back in like the like late 90s and early 2000s it was like ecstasy counts in the 90s ecstasy was like a big thing yeah And it was hardly ecstasy. It was just like all cut up with everything you could possibly imagine. You're just like sort of, you know, flying around, like, feeling like a crazy person.

Oliver came back. They said it was ecstasy. Yeah. Ollie came back one time. I'm going to just say this because I can. He came back. I forget what it was. You went on some trip to like the Hamptons or something.

First time I've been there and last time. I'll never forget this. He was so, yeah. And he came back and he chewed his whole face. off. Like his entire mouth. I was like, what happened to you? I got in a pool with the playmate of the year at like 4 at 4 a.m. and did not get out of the pool until 7 p.m. the next day. Wow. And he looked like a different person. It was crazy. So whatever. I was worried. How old were you then? I was 19 years old, 19 or 20 years old.

Too young. And it sounds like you had a great time. it was a great time it was the playmate of the year had this house and all these playmates were there and like i was sitting around the pool and it was you know now it was like noon i'd been there since 5 a m and all of a sudden these just because you're looking up it's just like vaginas start appearing everywhere because they're all naked and now i'm just seeing these like vaginas i'm like oh my god but and then there's a gardener there's a gardener with a leaf blower but it's like loud in my ear i didn't hear this part of the story yeah my goodness a gardener with a I mean, God, we go, all it just goes right in. Oh, my goodness. And then, and then we flew to see Jimmy Page and Chris in Washington. Oh, geez. Oh, that's when I saw your face. Yes, when you saw me. Yeah. So you weren't 19. You were in your 20s. You were like that was thing. Yeah. It was before Aaron, though. Yeah, but you, I was 21.

I was by 23. Yeah. It was definitely before Aaron. Definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. right right right all right let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's exit your your ecstasy years let's get back to Joel and Benji let's jump right in on this guys what is it like for you to be identical twins that's a big question but let's start with like when did it start when was it that you actually looked at each other and recalled like wow we're identical. Like when it hit you guys.

How old were you? I guess we should start. Before we start at the beginning, I will say that being adult male twins is weirder than being kid twins. Kid twins are cute and fun. But adult male twins, there's not a ton of, I would say,

a kitchy value like I would say it's not as catchy so you run into people and they'll talk to you for about five minutes before you haven't really had a chance to say hey I think you're talking about

Benj I definitely didn't meet you or we weren't there together things like that I feel like you and I we definitely had those moments early in early days for sure I can almost yes yes

or like he'll go if he's like we cover for each other a lot sometimes like if i can't if i'm out of town and and my kid has a baseball game then you'll go and like be there and then everyone thinks he's me but he's a little less friendly than me because he doesn't know anyone there and then they're like last week were you sick or something and i'm like no and they're like you just weren't as friendly you didn't say hi to me and i was like that's amazing father of the year like even though you're there half the time. That's kind of great. September always feels like the start of something new,

whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb

that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb. CA slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching the moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of

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Like, how do I define myself as my own? Probably by the fourth or fifth birthday, when you get a red one and he gets a blue one or, you know, you get a, you know, like that's how it is. Like, we'd race to open presents because we knew we were getting the same thing just in a different color. you would race to open presents because you're like people give you two boxes they looked exactly the same and you're like no one was like oh that one was for you it was like you got the red one so didn't matter whose name you put on it we would just rip it open because we wanted to be surprised um and we shared everything it was nice though um I think we're It's probably moments when you're younger where you're like, oh, I just want to be myself.

And then I think as we've gotten older, we really see it as like a secret weapon. It's a strength. Like we feel like we maybe wouldn't be here without each other. You know, we maybe. 100%. How so? In what way would you not be here without each other? So I think, and not in the sense of like maybe we'd be dead.

I mean, that's a possibility too. But we were both a very, you know. dependent on one another for sure. And I think as you go through your development in life, like you always hit these fork in the roads where you have to be, you kind of have to decide like who you are. Like am I going to be more this kind of person or more this kind of person?

Am I going to make this kind of decision or am I going to say, fuck it, you know, make this kind of decision? And I think like when you always have like your partner there, we're always going to encourage each other to like make the right decision, you know, like sort of go like, yeah, you could do that. I don't know. but are you, you know, be careful, man. Are you taking yourself or, or, um, sort of like you just kind of, you, you're not alone

in the world so you know you matter to someone. So I think like everybody goes to their life and they always end up in a moment where they're completely alone. And, and like, if you're in a moment where like you're not really feeling the best about yourself or whatever, you make decisions that kind of, that kind of, you know, they embody that. So when you have your twin, you have your brother, you're really partners. So you always have that phone call. You always have someone to call where you can go and you get through the, it's the,

the easy parts of life are sort of more where you can sort of spread your wings and spit apart and go and do this. But I think the hard parts of life are where you stick together and you kind of like you encourage one another. You always have a cheerleader too. So I think like getting through. And an honest, and a very honest feedback, you get very honest feedback from each other, which I think is a strength and a real, like, hey, you need to go apologize.

Or hey, you need to go fix that. Or, hey, you need to go. You know, or even someone that you can say, hey, how do I look? And someone will give you real feedback on how you look versus. Oh, you look great. Because no one's going to really say how you, if they think you should change your bad jacket, makes you look weird, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like, okay, I'm not going to wear that one on my... I feel like I give you that kind of feedback. Like when we went on the, when we went on with the show with Steve, and I was like, what the fuck are you wearing? Yeah, I wanted to look at how about control. But you can actually, outside the world, like, none of us would go out to someone in the world and be like, hey, does this make me look weird or hey, do this, you know, do I also... And with your brother, you'll be like, you know, hey, like, am I all right? weird cut weird cut um but also when when you're out in the world it's like you have a second set of eyes looking from a different perspective so if like say there's somebody with weird

intentions or bad intentions or weird energy or good intentions good energy i feel like we have a very pure uh for uh all the things when we look at someone we're not looking at anything other than when it comes to each other, we're protective and we're also, I think, honest and I think we see the best in each other, maybe when we're not personally seeing the best in ourselves. So I think we very much had a built-in support system that I could absolutely say I would I would not have anything in my life, any of the success I've had, the success in my family or marriage, the success in work, the personal growth. I would not have any of that if I didn't have my partner always telling me like what they thought are you able to be as vulnerable with

each other like without any sort of you know feeling you know that you're sharing too much like your vulnerability is just off the chart doesn't matter you can tell you guys to charge each other anything yeah oh that's the best that's whether you like it or not yeah yeah um where did where did you grow up in Maryland you did so yeah you grew up um you grew up um Right outside of D.C? Yeah, about an hour and a half kind of down in the country, like about an hour and a half, 90 miles from D.C. So our mom grew up in Tacoma Park.

Yeah, I know where at Tacoma Park is. How far away are you from Baltimore? About the same, about about hour and a half-ish. At Baltimore, more like an hour and 45 to. So you guys grew up in the country. I mean, you grew up in the country. In the country, actually really close. close to um so um really close to the actually um the very first settlement in the united

states for a very first english settlement st mary city st mary's county so if you go out there it's it's beautiful i mean it's still sort of that way now it's like beautiful lots of land lots of farms lots of old old shit you know like you can go see people's graves from the 1600s and it's like that and you grew up on a farm or just in and around farmland it was all very rural so like in order to get to a friend's house you'd have to like get on a bike and ride for a while to get to somebody's house you kind of really ride a bike you it would be more like you have to drive get get a ride yeah yeah miles and miles and miles depending on depending on if you had a friend who lived like right up right like I don't know everybody was super spread out

though. And what did your parents do? What were they in the arts or were they? They weren't in the arts, but they had some art vibes, right? I feel like they liked art. They didn't really know how to express themselves that way. Our dad was a butcher and our mom was a homemaker, I think pretty much just a homemaker. She had little jobs. She always had like some odd job. but yeah and then my dad always worked a bunch of jobs so he was

he was a butcher and he like painted houses on the side and he was just like always working so was your was your childhood like very free meaning like you can roam and you could do your thing we played in the woods a lot yeah so we had a big imagination um but it was pretty strict it was very religious our parents were very religious like terrified of the world kind of yeah the rock yes with all not being sacrilegious but yes

they were terrified of the rapture yeah just the world like the world was scary to them how did you guys like process that growing up and then even into your teenage and then 20s and then when you've had your band they made a they said we're going to create a rock band right that's what I'm saying like was there a rebellious nature to religion in any way? I think that I have always questioned the people not really. I actually have a very good relationship with the transcendent part of life, I think, and with what I feel like my understanding of God and religion and that.

I've been able to, I think, make my own sense of it. I always questioned the people, especially then. And also my parents who were very religious ended up completely. falling apart and imploding and then the family was really broken up and then we were kind of on our own after probably 14 and so kind of the the laws and ideals that they kind of preach to us all kind of just unraveled and all and and so I think the lesson that I took from that was not that the religion's wrong or they're wrong but that people are people and then I think I also as I got older, started to unpack, like, everybody has dirty laundry and makes mistakes and has things. So go to any church and find any person to follow, and you can find something that they've done wrong. So don't buy it when someone's, like, presenting is perfect. That's why I think I try to be careful always, at least when I do anything that's facing, maybe like public

facing or something like I always try to be careful not to present like worse any one of us is perfect because I just think it's just in a false idea that you know that we're not all human and we don't all make mistakes whether we mean to or not whether we know we are or not whether we choose to or not so religion was always kind of like this kind of over dramatic confine to me that constricted you from being able to have the human experience, which is this really messy, complex experience that's also painful, then also joyful. And I kind of just came to, I think we rebelled against it when we were teenagers and we didn't quite understand.

But I'd say, Ben, we never really got in touch with. I was going to say, like, the way we did it was we just like, we were actually like, we listened to everything and we were really good kids. like we just tried to make them happy because I think they were unhappy. So we were trying to make them, we were trying to make them happy. So we never got in trouble. Never. We were, we were really, really hard working.

But what I say, when I say rebel against it, I kind of meaning like I moved to California as soon as I could. Right. Now, how old were you? I was 22 when I moved to California. But you also have an older brother, right? Yeah. We have an older brother and a younger sister. And how much, how many?

years older is your brother? 18 months. Yeah. You're now. So he, I mean, how influential was he for you guys during that time? He was influential. He left home early, though. We were apart from when we were like 13 or 14.

And then we, and then he went out on his own like young. He was like, and then. Yeah, he was like, peace. Was he just like, I'm out like peace? Like, I got to get the hell out of here. Yeah. Basically. It was a pretty tumult.

home life back then but yeah so I think our nature like for me in my mind because I had such an idea drilled into me of like the world and like especially Hollywood and California and the way people are like oh Hollywood I think my rebellion I rebelled against this the idea that I was raised in by going to the place where I was told was where everything was evil and so I think that was probably my, my biggest way of rebellion was leaving as far as I could go from. Did you guys, did you guys go together? Yeah. You did. Yeah. So it was a joint decision. I mean, he was like, fuck it. Let's both get out of here. Let's both go to California. Yep. Yep. And there was no resistant. There wasn't like, I don't want to. You need to. It was just like, nah, we're ready.

Let's roll. Yeah. Yeah. No, at that time, we were already like, we were touring. We already had like some, we already had a couple hit songs and like we were like getting asked to write songs for other artists and we were doing a lot of stuff and we were we kind of like decided we should we should move there so we found housing on the same street when did you discover music like was that because it's it's it to me it feels like inside of this it just is like a perfect storm of finding music and or an instrument and getting and disappearing into it and was it both of you at the same time or did one of you kind of lead the other into writing and performing. It was both of us. Yeah, it was together. Everything we've ever done, we've always done together. Yeah, we went to see the Beastie Boys play

in 1995. It's like May 15th, 1995. And we went to the show. We had nosebleed seats and we were watching it. And we were just kind of watching everybody like, freak out and watching everybody. And, like, we were just watching. We were just taking it all in.

And then afterwards, we were like, we should do that. You know, and, and, um, and, um, we started the band the next day, I think. Yeah. Were we already playing instruments, though? Were you already, did you already know that you had some talent? No. You were like, no, fuck it. Let's just start a band.

Here, let's go buy a guitar. With always the intention to be, like, always the intention from that very day we decided the next day. We're like, let's start a band. We'll be big. Let's do it. Let's go out here. We had been gifted a guitar and a bass from a church music like director that was like

helping our mom out when she was having a tough time. And we had, and then I had a karaoke machine this like was about this big. And you could have, you can plug two mics into it. So I got a, I got a guitar cable and we had a mic and we just started making. making up little songs. Really, literally, because they also with the guitar was a little book of like songs that would have little pictures on how to, and how to make the chords. And so I think I learned like three chords and that was it.

And then we just started, we never learned one song. We just started making up songs. Do you remember what your first, like what your first chord, like your first favorite? Yeah. I like the de course. This is kind of good. Yeah, there was a song we wrote. There was a song we wrote our first kind of real song was called Gravity Girl.

And there's a demo floating around online. People still like our hardcore fans still. Well, you remember it was the 90s. So it was all that like it was all like alternative like 90s rock, you know? So yeah, gravity girl. Gravity girl. And there and it and it was it was like heavy, I'm going to say heavy on the D, but I, but, but, but I mean. I don't mean it like, I don't mean it like that.

I mean, like, so it was, it was the decort, was the inspiration for that first song. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. The Gravity Girl was it. Where did you record it? Like, literally on a cassette tape. I mean, just. Yeah. On the karaoke machine.

Because it had two little cassette things and you could, you could record what you were singing. That's amazing. And it was just, it was it just a, was it like a bass and a guitar? Or did you have like a drum machine of any kind? Or was it just? Nope. No, no. Just guitar.

We got a gear gravity girl I'm going to go find it I'm going to go find that too I always like that I always find like now like there's always that one chord that people who write music gravitate towards it changes

it changes but I like that it was D that makes a lot of sense September always feels like the start of something new whether it's back to school new projects or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling

of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything, from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host.

I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith.

And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in. in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paula Ramos as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHart Podcasts,

present IVF disrupted the kind body story a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care introducing kind body a new generation of women's health and fertility care backed by millions in venture capital and private equity it grew like a tech startup while kind body did help women start families it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients you think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what?

All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So when you were like starting this whole process, was there like, I mean, and I say this, me in like the best way because there's like no competition but I'm saying like was there ever that

moment where you're like I I'm I'm a leading personality like let me lead this like how does what happens when you guys disagree about something or is there someone that's more like motivates things to happen like who's is there a more of a business brain versus a creative brain like how do you guys figure out the partnership we so we've always been pretty naturally. Benj always tends to figure out how things work or how we're going to do something. And I always tend to go out and talk about it. So I'm a natural, I wouldn't even say I was extroverted in school, but being the lead singer seemed to be like the job that I was like, I could do that. And I'm also very, I don't like to spend time learning how to do things. So

If I, I'm not going to spend the time to learn how to play the guitar. It took me 20 years to learn how to play the guitar. And I think I have just worse ADD than he does. You can play guitar now, though. Yes, I can. So in all of our businesses, Bench tends to be the guy who operates everything and creates the plans and understands how everything, you know, operates really from every level, whether it's figuring out the financial aspect of it, figuring out the operation.

day to day of it. And I tend to be more in sales. So I love to go out and talk to people. I love to look at partnerships, look at all the things in dealing with interfacing with other people. So we together, I think we make a good team because he's not to say he doesn't go talk to other people, but he's less interested in that. Right. You're the sizzle. He's the steak. It's so funny because we're the same age and you say 95 and it's like, so that basically means that you guys were in like just in 10th grade or 9th 10th grade

when you decided like oh we're going to be a band in a band and we're going to be huge that's it that we're just going to decide this now so was your entire high school experience more about band

than it was about high school yes so you guys are like get me the fuck out of Maryland and we'll be playing arenas in four years. Yeah, and at that time, even if it wasn't get us out of Maryland,

it was like, get me to D.C. so I can be close to the action because there were some punk bands there. And our parents had kind of unraveled, so they were busy dealing with their stuff. We didn't have anyone going, what are your grades? We had to get extra credits to graduate, actually,

because my grades were so bad and we were working also to help support my mom the time so we both had jobs so we were the band was all kinds of things it was our dream it was an escape it was something to focus on I think it kept us out

of a lot of trouble it gave us a feeling that there was something to go for which I think there was a lot of value to that at that time to like looking at something that seemed impossible as possible possible and because we were working shitty jobs and it was very kind of adult things we were

dealing with um so the band was like an incredible escape from a really kind of messy reality yeah so gravity girl is the first single but at what point was it like holy shit like this crazy experiment this sort of idea that we're going to become huge is becoming a reality was there that moment where you looked at each other like this is this is fucking crazy. Like, I cannot believe this. In 1998, 1999 was when we had really kind of hit the local, like peak local

size for the region. So for the Mid-Atlantic, for Pennsylvania, Maryland, all the way up to New Jersey and New York, we had built this like really cool, solid, big following and labels were interested. And so in 99, when we signed our first record deal, was, by then we kind of knew that it was happening

and we kind of had the bull by the horns and we were just like felt unstoppable we just felt like no one was going to stop us again I go back to like having your partner built in because the whole time so we started the band in 1996 so that was only three years later

and the whole time every time there was we would play like a house party and we thought it was the greatest thing ever We would get a gig at a bar and we thought it was the greatest thing ever. We would get, you know, I mean, I remember, you know, all kinds of, all kinds of gigs where we were doing anything it took to just get that, just to make that gig happen, where we were rolling equipment from our place to the gig on skateboards or like, you know, whatever we were doing. Everything felt as important as the record deal, you know? And so we, because we were cheerleading each other, you know what I mean? We were like, and, you know, ever since we were really young, I mean, we always shared a room.

We didn't have our own rooms until we bought houses, you know what I mean? Because it was cheaper to get a place that we share a room. So we did everything together and we shared a room and we were always talking. We were always sort of dreaming. We were always just keeping each. Because it was like, because it was hard, you know, it was like all these different jobs and one little thing that's like, You're $100 away from being okay, and it's never there, you know? So every day, every day just sort of life, you just are cheerleading each other.

You're saying, this isn't going to matter one day. You know, one day we're going to be, you know, one day we'll have a tour of us. One day we'll, you know, we'll be. So just that partnership, just like cheerleading each other the whole time. So there was a moment where we really felt like it was real. It was like legit, the first band practice. Yeah. I think that's an important message just for everyone, honestly, artists or whatever anyone's doing. Is it real as an important from day one as it is till when you're, you know,

playing in front of the 100,000 people, you know. It's so true. It's just the passion. It's the desire, you know. It's just as important. And especially if you're met with yeses every step of the way, like don't turn a yes away. Don't see a yes as a no because, you know, I think, I think sometimes now there's an instant gratification in some things, especially digitally speaking, but the work is still real. The work in real life is the work. And so I think to this day, we're still the same as we were, but we have more experience and information and resources than we had. but we're still the same it's still the same energy we still just get just as excited when whether it's one of our companies a little thing happens we still get excited over any yes that we

receive when we take a step forward yeah like moving into this new phase of your life I mean you obviously haven't stepped away from the band but but is this was it was a conscious decision you guys have families now you got kids it was like all right well that's going to take us on the road that's going to take us away from this foundation especially going back into the psychology of what you guys grew up with you know what i mean just that sort of fractured family did that play any part in sort of saying well we're not we're never going to fucking be like this you know when we have our family we're going to make sure that shit sticks together and we need to be here for them you know which is how you

sort of took that right turn into entrepreneurship yeah big time i think that you either model your life after or you model it the opposite of, right? I think those are the two strategies. And some people have a great model and they follow that and they succeed. Some people have a bad model and they follow that and they fail. Some people do the opposite of the great model and they fail. And some people do the opposite of the bad model and they succeed. I always kind of say it's simple.

Those are four choices. That's pretty much the only choices. It's 100%. And then you can you can monitor. modify little things, but the gist of it is you're modeling one or four things. Right. And so I think that we with family went the opposite and we, I think, have been fortunate because we also have partners who I think are in the same mindset.

And so when we started all of the businesses we have today, it was a big motivation of it was to be home and just to have. families and to be able to be at our kids, you know, to be at dinner and be there for our kids. Yeah. And also I remember when you were in Australia, I remember you and I talking about like just how hard it is to have that distance and managing the kids and the, it's just, it gets, it gets hard. And I think we all have the same thing, which is when you come from kind of like tumultuous, familial background of like parents. You almost go, meet the other direct like almost so far i like i know oliver and i are like it's the other direction

which is we're so committed to our kids that like i have anxiety when i leave them to the point where i'm like it's the opposite where i actually like it's fine like i haven't left my kids in a year and a half yeah because dad bailed you know dad bailed and you know he did whatever the hell it is that he did but now it's this for me it's this fear that if i'm not at every little thing or if i'm not present in every moment of theirs that they're going to be fucked up and they're going have abandonment issues which is so far from the truth because all of our children are so loved and you don't have to be there 24-7 for them to understand feel and sort of take in that love but there is that trauma side of me that is like fuck dude if I'm not there if I'm not in

every moment of their lives then they're screwed up and there's going to be so much therapy that I'll probably have to pay for and also and also for me it's like that the opportunity is that I have not taken because I want to be it with my family. You know, is that such an interesting thing to also? And then, you know, I don't regret any no. And I know you say like the yes, but I'm saying like any no of doing something when it comes to being able to be with my kids. Like I'm so happy that I've been able to actually afford to say no and to be with my children.

with you on that. The weighing it all out and finding the balance is like the goal, but I think we're in the generation of parents who constantly ask themselves, am I a good parent? Because I think we come from a generation of parents who didn't actually, the baseline was roof over your head, food on the table, that's good parenting. I think we've evolved now. We're in this kind of generation of parents. who all come from that school. So we all experience similar, somewhere in the world of a similar experience. And I think that, like, we're all asking those questions.

Am I in touch with my kids' experience? And am I a good parent? We like we all are and we all probably have stuff to work on like anyone else. But I think, like, we do all ask the same questions and probably any parent listening has had that. I can't tell if my kids, are they having a good life? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think for our own sanity, we got to let that go, though, because there's so many times, especially my kid, my oldest is 16. So they're getting into this new phase in his life where it's like, oh, shit, I have to do things a little differently now. But am I doing this correctly? I have no clue. But you just let it roll, you know. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or

just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host.

I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians, I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith.

And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We were getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing.

Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned. and angry patience. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands.

And then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story. Starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I was watching this, this Instagram of these kids on the little circle. you know the thing at the playground that you what is it called it's like yeah but like you hold

on to it and the kids jump on and off of it okay and it's like if you were a kid in the 80s or 90s like it does is the meme and it's just kids fucking whipping themselves around this thing like flying off of it like no parents around I was like this would never exist anywhere in the world right now like it just wouldn't exist but it needs to like there's a part of part of me that sometimes I'm like, maybe we do need to whip, they need to, like, without, without parents, like, I know, I'm the worst offender of that. I'm like, I'm not going to live. I'm not going to live. So I have a question. When you guys are in the height of success early, early on, was there any, did you guys ever have times where you were like had to take breaks from each other? Like,

I always wonder with the twins, I know we would be like that. Like, we would, you know. Yeah, well, if you're so into each other's lives. So connected, like, is there any times where you sort of had to figure out like boundaries with each other or has it always been pretty seamless? And then, and then piggyback in that, I've read that you guys have actually done therapy together. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. Talk about that too. That's interesting.

I think we just learned, like, we, I don't know if we ever took a break from each other. We definitely still, we talk morning. noon and night every day of our life that's just that's just how we we occasionally you know not like a break like we took a year where we didn't see each other but like I think like through every phase of life right Joel got married and had kids before I did he's in a completely different place than me there's a there's a there's a recalibration that has to happen through every phase of life there's a recalibration where you have to here's what we used to be here's what we are now and and I think like when you, you know, when you get married and have kids, that becomes priority number one.

So, so we're not each other's number one priority anymore, you know? So, so we're, we have to recalibrate. And so there's probably like little periods of time, a few months. A little phases. Little phases where you're having trouble communicating or you're sort of like, you know, getting frustrated, but you really just, you really just have to recalibrate. And so I think all along the way we had to do that the whole time. I mean, through even just like being in the band together, really kind of figuring out what our roles were and then having a business together,

figuring out what our roles are, and like sort of readjusting to that, to that in every different sort of phase of life is just a natural part of it. So yeah, I don't know if we took like actual like, you know, like we said, we need a break from one another. I'll talk to you in three weeks. But I think naturally we would sort of, you know,

Joel would go, you know, he's doing his thing right now. I'm going to let him go do his thing and or he's doing his thing right now. I'm going to let him do his thing. And then, um, and then, you know, we just sort of recalibrate, you know, um, but, but, but, but, is there like a moment when Joel had kids, you know, where it is what it is, that is what life does and there's going to be time that's taken away from that relationship that is an extreme bond between you guys, that then you, that recalibration is actually

hurtful, not on purpose, but there feels like there's some sort of, of a loss there in any way? Sure, absolutely. I think you both, we both like sort of probably, it probably comes out more in like sort of in some way, in some point, at some point's frustration and then at some points like where you, you kind of actually go, oh, you know what? Because both of us want the other one to have the right priorities. And the right priority really is your wife and kids.

So you would kind of back off and go, I'm going to let him take care of his business right now. But then if anything, it was a good thing because you internalize and you go, well, where am I? You know, if I invested more time in sort of, you know, this work or that work and I wasn't investing the time in finding, you know, the right partner, then I have to actually look at that. So that's another positive sort of thing when you have a partner where you can look at something going on in their life and go, you know, I think I need to invest more time in, you know, whether it's like being healthy or, or, you know, a skill set or or what does my life look like. And so I think that, yeah, there's definitely been times where we've had to sort of, we've had to sort of be, you know, kind of not separate, but, you know, kind of take care of what we had to do at that time. And then, you know, but we, but the thing I think we made an agreement when we were like 16, like when we started the van, because this is how sure we were of ourselves. You guys totally manifested this. But so crazy is your full, like total man.

You're also Pisces, which means you are manifesters. But, but yeah. Anyway, I just had to say that out of. When we were 16, we made a deal that we would always split every dollar. whatever we ever made, no matter who did what, and we would never let money come. I would never make that deal with my brother. I tried. I tried.

I would never make that deal with my brother. Certainly, like, that we would just be partners and everything. And certainly, like, we have both done other things that, I don't know that we hold each other that deal all the time as we're adults, you know, and especially when you have your own families and stuff. But it's definitely a deal that's held. It's the foundation of us. Like, I think there's never anything I'm doing that I don't consider him my partner in, whether he's there in the room or he's, we're, you know, and we're out there working. And we are in the room with, if you're in the room with me, you're in the room with him.

Mm-hmm. What about, go through some of your businesses. We have like just sort of this pivot from music, not that you pivot from music necessarily. you're still in that world but you know what was the inspiration behind sort of moving away from touring and sort of you know getting more into the entrepreneurial spirit of well let's make let's have multiple businesses um i think that at the very core of it is just like a more sustainable lifestyle so to be able to you know touring is a very unsustainable for family um it so uh i think that but then i also I think our interests are that the things we're working on. We have a music company, so it's the management and artist development company

that we, I'd say that's our core business. We just love it so much. We just love the working in music and our being around artists is just our, we'll enjoy it forever and ever. We get to watch people's dreams come true every year, and it's a really exciting thing to be a part of. Yeah, and mentor younger artists. And then we have a media company that, you know, is in magazines, music magazines,

in the same kind of realm of our manager company. It's in rock and alternative and in the space print. And then we have another media focus company that's like a live stream platform called VEPS that's for concerts and live events, so comedy and concerts. So those three businesses are really what we work on every day. And Good Charlotte is kind of like a, I feel like today it's this classic car we keep in perfect condition in the garage and we like to take it out sometimes and definitely drive it and people like to see it.

But we're never going to, it's never going to be a daily driver. I think anything we do with Good Charlotte is always going to feel special and exciting. and we really love still doing stuff with the band. But you're not writing. You guys write, not writing new stuff. That's not like a, where are you? We actually are going to make some music in this coming year in 20204. We're going to put some music out.

Yes, yes. Yeah. My album's almost done, Joel. Your album? I can't wait to hear it. I'm so excited for you to hear it because you've always been so supportive of me singing. Well, you're fantastic. I don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but like, it's a rabbit hole.

No, no, no. You're, I'm moving out of your rabbit hole. But just with this whole, because you do live streams, you know, comedy, you know, and you've been doing that for a minute now, sort of almost at the forefront of it when I was reading about it, you know, as far as when you started, that goes. You look at this Erez tour, this Taylor Swift shit that has come out and has completely destroyed the box office. And now Beyonce is doing one. It feels like there's going to be some sort of a trend. now when it comes to this stuff.

I have like producer friends who have bought old catalogs, you know, for film. Is this, what's your feeling on that? Is there inspiration behind it? Or do you think this is like a degradation of sort of the concert as we know it? No, so it's two different things. So a live show, there'll never be anything that replaces a live show. The magic of live music is one thing. But what you don't realize when you're at a concert is that actually more people

don't go to concerts than do so more people in the world don't have access to concerts period um and that's if every ticket sold out everywhere there would still be more people who couldn't be at that concert and can't be at any concert period um and that's just a fact so it's a luxury to be able to go to a live show for sure um and and nothing can replace that it's the thing you dream about you want to see that person live you want to see that band you want to see that artist live It's sort of like, one day I want to go to Disney World. You know what I mean? Like, not everybody gets to go to Disney World, you know?

Yeah. But access to the live event in concerts and comedy and other live events is actually something that people must have. So the same way we can now watch sports, if you remember in the 90s and the 2000s, you watched whatever sport games were on network television and cable, but there wasn't an all-access option for the people who wanted to have it. And now, you know, with music and live events, we're always kind of behind because old models are kind of held on too tightly in music and entertainment,

especially in music. So what we built, we started six years ago with this platform is now turning into an entertainment platform. We're going into original content. and we do more live concerts than anyone in the world we've done more than anyone in the world we are absolutely the this platform is the experts on live streaming concerts and live

and we see it the future is people in all over the world whether it's India or South America or Europe or America people who can't leave the house people who physically can't go to concerts and people who locationally can't and people who financially can't have access now

the same as they do to their sporting events more and more access to concerts and artists now and this has changed in the last two years artists now feel the need to stream at least one show from their tour so that people can participate in that tour and so it's the future

it's coming whether you like it or not yeah now they can monetize their entire entire tour by potentially, you know, you can pay a ticket to go watch it as well. Now, with the live streaming now, this is, we don't have to put this in. It's going on my head. I'm curious. Is there real-time directing as far as production value goes and that stuff? Or is it like static camera shots?

Or is it like, I do have engineers pushing buttons? So it's real-time directing. We also have AI programs that can direct. They're both actually good. We have, it depends on where you stream, how you stream. there's a lot of options for how you execute it. Cool. So fun.

I dig it. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor.

If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time,

as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might live. lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in.

To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present.

IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation. of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients.

You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

All right, let's do the rapid fire because I don't want to waste anybody's time. And let's, okay, song of your childhood. Well, that's a good one. Define your childhood like that time. Like, what is like? Benz, remember that Keith Green song? Yes. What was that?

My early childhood, there were a couple songs. One was, I just called to Say, I Love You, Stevie Wonder. Oh, yes. Keith Green, it was called, Who Put This Love in My Heart? It was like a Christian artist, I think. My parents just listened to him. You are, Lionel Richie, and Lean on Me. Lean on me.

Of course, because of Lean on me. I always think of fairy style. Right. Sam by side of me stay. Remember the movie? Morgan Freeman. It's a great movie, by the way. Also, remember House of the Rising Sun, animals.

Yeah. My dad used to play that all the time. That was like zero to like nine, ten. And then older, you know, adolescent years would be more like the Beastie Boys. Yeah. So what you want. Yeah.

Oh. Yeah. For me, it was, can I kick it? Tribe to me is like, my high school, like, I just remember that song, when that song came out, when you hear that sample, that the Lou Reed sample, I was just like, no, forget it. It was over for me. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Who would win in an, if you guys were put in an octagon and you had to fight, who's winning that fight? Physically, you mean? Yeah, physically. got it yeah who's tapping first benj a very very physical great fighter who's the better cook probably me really i think so we can put this to the test um happily okay if you were going to rob a bank who would go in and rob the bank and who would be driving the getaway car i drive the

get-away car. Benj would rob the bank. Benge? Yeah, that'd probably be. Okay. He's definitely a trigger man. He's not afraid to go with charge. I'm thinking too much. Yeah.

They calm under pressure more than you, but you have a big picture vision. Yeah. Okay, I have a good one. And this includes both of you guys. You get arrested. You're in jail. You have one phone call. Who in your media?

immediate family is the first person you're going to call individually or together together you only have one phone call is it okay so in the fan in our family i feel like i know who it is yeah it can be i'll tell you right now anyone in your life anyone in your life yeah it's cameron yeah my wife's gonna say a thousand percent if she doesn't pick up it's john rozenberg who's john rozenberg he's a dear friend he's a dear friend He's a lawyer, but he's also like a very dear friend of ours. What is Nicole rank in the phone call? Nicole is like, she's a good call.

But it's 50-50 she has her phone in. But that's your answer. Yeah. And likely she goes, oh my God, that sounds fun. Oh my God. That would be sad. No, listen, the truth about Nicole is she's, down. If I called her, look, if she was the second call, I just know Cameron is going to charge

in there and get us right out, even if she has to break us out. Yeah. If I call Nicole and say, listen, it's serious. I need you to do this. She's doing it. She's so down. That's because Cameron can rob the bank and drive the getaway car at the same time. She's literally been trained to do it. Okay. First, celebrity crush. Mariah Carey. Yeah. That's good. Oh, good one. I'm trying to remember. I'm trying to think.

Ollie, what yours was... Nicole Egert. Nicole Egert. That's right. From Charles in Charge back in the day. She was on Baywatch, like, a long time after that. Mine was Corey Haim, from the Lost Boys. But also Kiefer Sutherland from the Lost Boys.

Actually, all of the Lost Boys. They were all of the Lost Boys. No, Benji, can't think of one. Benj wasn't a big crush. You were like a big crush guy. I was a little dreamier than you, wasn't they? Yeah, but I'm trying to think. I'm sure that I had one.

I was trying to, you know, I always thought like the mom on Fresh Prince of Bel Air was really pretty. She was. That's a good one. I haven't heard that one yet. Okay, guys, ready? because we always end our podcast with this, which is a two-part question. First part is if you could alleviate something from your brother's life, if you could take something from them that you know would kind of like give them more ease or be, you know,

have a more optimal experience through life. What would that be? And then the second part of that question is if you could emulate something that your brother has that you would love to be able to have a little bit more of in your life, what would that be? That's a good question. Very good. And I don't ever waste an answer.

So if I could alleviate anything from his life, you know what? If I'm being honest, I've always felt like he's felt responsible for me. and I've always kind of felt like that whether I tried to or not and I would probably say less responsibility for everyone because not just me, everyone

he's always kind of been that guy and then he naturally just feels responsible for everyone and what was the other question? Something that you could emulate something that's something that you would want from him someone that you something that you love about him that is like you wish you had more of uh he has a great ability to to to to he he's always very cool calm collected can get to things

kind of elegantly quickly and it feels very um his brain is organized it just feels like very he's quick to get through a process and get to a direction and then go without overthinking it and I think there's something really elegant and simple about the way he operates that I've always kind of been jealous of. I think that I just have a real true ADD and I'm always thinking probably about a thousand things and it's hard for me to organize my brain sometimes the way it feels like he can just pick a plan and attack it with everything, whether it's working, out or a business or anything so there's a simplicity to it go on that's very sweet joel i appreciate

that um um so i would say the thing if i could take away from jolsa he you know like improve his quality of life probably he's always worried about if every like he's always worried if he's like he wants to be the best dad and he's an amazing dad he wants to be the best husband he's amazing husband like a plus a plus um and so everything he does he's worrying like if he's doing a good enough job and he's always doing a more than a good enough job you know so i and i'm always like dude you're doing great like and he'll he so he doesn't always take it in though he's like He wants to do better. You know, he wants everyone to be happy.

He's always worried about if everybody's happy. And probably comes from like our childhood because he wanted our parents to be happy. And it's like, that was a losing battle. It's not going to happen. You know, so he's always wants everyone to be happy. So, and I'm always like, dude, everybody, look at us, man. We, we, we, everybody's happy. Like, you know, it's not, our houses are peaceful.

Everybody's, you know. And so if, if you could, if I could just take that away and, And he wouldn't worry about that. And he'd be a little bit more carefree. And what I wish I had that he has in the most insane ability of anyone I've ever met, just to like look up and go, oh, yeah, we're going to do that or I'm going to do that. Or I want to dream up like the biggest thing and not even question it, not even think twice about it. I'm immediately figuring out, like, how the architecture is going to work, and I can sometimes

only get to, like, a couple levels up, and Joel's already seeing, like, the skyline, you know? And so that's something I definitely have learned from, but he does it with such ease. He's like, oh, yeah, we can do that. We'll do that, you know? And that's almost like a superpower in my mind. just to be able to just like dream something without even questioning it. That's awesome. It's the best.

Yay. That's great. Guys, thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. It was so fun. It was so great, guys.

Thanks for having us. It was a blast. It was really good talking to you guys. Your story is so cool. I didn't know it. I know. And we're we. Inspirational, man.

Really cool stuff. Seriously. And we also like, we usually do like, we've had like sessions now. like three hours with certain people were trying to like really cut them down to an hour and it's hard because I have a million questions your guys I have so many things that I'm going to ask you offline but this was just the best

save them for their pod yeah well you guys are really nice we have so many mutual friends and we see each other all you know from time to time and I now feel closer to you guys just from doing this back I know me too I feel like I've known you guys in peripheral for

long time you know and it's funny how you said i want to see in the very beginning you know how you guys cover for each other when someone may not know who's who it has literally made me avoid both of you i'm like oh shit god i'm just going to walk away because i don't want to be the asshole who doesn't know who's who now you can see it's so easy to tell them of course now you can tell yeah and it's really not offensive to us when people do think we're each other but i think I think it's really great to have these conversations because I think people listening

a lot of times families can be very passive aggressive to each other. They don't know how to share and care. And I think we had to learn that over time. But it took us, you know, our own time. But like, siblings should communicate because

when they don't, they're missing out on a really great and valuable resource in their life. Yeah. To depend on. Anything you want to do. in life, you have a better shot of doing it with a partner that you, that you can trust

that you know. And like, you have to set your sights on something. So, like, if you want to have a good relationship with your sibling, just like, I think our biggest dream in the world was to have loving, peaceful family. So we both wanted to be married. We both want to have kids. And, like, we had to figure out how to, like, how that worked. And so we looked for good models and we look for families that, like, seem to have more, you know, like, they have a shot at sticking together. Those people seem like they got something figured out. And, and like, if you don't, if you have a sibling, you actually have to say, I want to be close to you. Like, I want to figure out, where's that spot where we get stuck. Where's the spot where we argue? Where's the spot

where we fight? And, and I think it's a practice, you know, you really got to like, you know, this podcast is great. Like, you really do. That's why we started. It was like, it's such an important relationship that is never really discussed or talked about, but it's just such an important one, you know, and there's too many siblings who just do not talk to each other, who are completely, you know, sort of living totally separate lives and have no regard for each other. It's true. It kills me. It's really, it's so sad. And I also feel like you, you know, there's a way to get to know someone, you know, a one-on-one. But when you get to know someone through their siblings' eyes,

you get a completely different perspective of that person. You know, when you sit and you listen to siblings talk about each other and laugh about stories and like it, you just, there's nothing, there's nothing more sort of eye-opening about who that they are as people, you know? You see them for who they really are.

Yeah. It's so real. It's a tribe within a tribe, in a sense, you know, because you have your tribe, your big family tribe, and then the siblings have their own little, you know sort of offshoot you know like me you boston and white are sort of sitting around drinking and laughing it's if you feel this synergy this connectedness that it's not separate but just a

little sort of just a little arm a little branch from the it's true especially siblings that come from broken homes when the damage is done when you're young i feel like not enough of us it took us too long even us i think you've got to salvage what you can you do you do build your new family and you can choose your family you can choose friends that you get close to but you can salvage some things from your family and keep and reimagine what that family doesn't always have to be broken or feels yeah I'm doing that right now literally in the middle of that like I'm working with my dad and he's with the other other siblings now we should bring it all together I I had this moment last year where I was like I don't know why I don't talk to my other

siblings like I don't care what the history is with my with our parents but like that's my and especially me who has no sisters right I don't and I do I have two sisters that I don't speak to yeah for no other reason except that our family separated and my sister and I and my brother we've all just started communicating again and honestly I got on the phone with my sister and we just started bawling our eyes out. We're like, what I don't know. It was so great. It was so great. And so, you know, and then she even said it. She's like, it's, we start now. Just start now. Yeah. Well, cool. Thank you guys. This is the best. I'll see you soon. You guys are awesome. Thank you. Bye.

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