Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - It's A Slippery Slope with Lindsey Vonn

Episode Date: April 1, 2024

Oliver goes on an apology tour after his casual comments were turned into clickbait.What did he really mean about "childhood trauma?"Kate talks about her own 'perceived' parenting mistakes and the buzzwords that are taken out of context.Plus, the Kate and Oliver are joined by skiing legend Lindsey Vonn. In this episode, Lindsey talks about climbing a male dominated sport, the crashes, and the secret she learned about her own triplet siblings later in life!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry.

Don't do that with your mouth. That's good. Holly, I'm very excited to talk to our next guest. But before we talk to Lindsay, who actually, I've actually spent some time with her. Mm-hmm. Lindsay Vaughn. Lindsay Vaughn, yeah. And she's great.

She's so super cool. And I just really dig her. But we got to like, we got to, what? No, go ahead. I was just going to say she's an eye. icon, but let's get into what the hell you're going to talk about right now. I leave you alone for like one episode. Hold on. We're going to do this different.

I left you to your own device. We're going to do this differently, okay? Instead of our typical intro, I'm going to be a guest on the Kate Hudson podcast for the next seven minutes. And it's an, it's a, it's an apology tour or however we want to call it. And go ahead. Intro me. intro, I'm on the show, and then you can start asking me questions. First of all, I remember, you know, I've been shooting my show for Netflix, the basketball show, and I couldn't do the Bodie Miller podcast with you, which was great because Aaron was able to do it.

But then, like, I start seeing all the clips, and I'm like, oh, God, Oliver, this is going to be a headline. And I knew it immediately. And I was like, God, you just. you used such clickbait words. Like I, and I'm like, I can't leave my brother alone for a second. So let's just talk about this for five seconds because we know if we're going to talk about our parents, everyone's going to talk.

It's going to end up showing up on like, you know, a slow news day, which is weird because this in the world today, there's not no such thing as a slow news day. Right. But you got, you got in a little bit of heat from mom about, you know, your trauma comment. Yeah. Because it became a clickbait headline versus a context of what you were saying. I think the interesting thing is, is that what you were saying was actually a really interesting thing about yourself. Yes, yes.

I'm even afraid to talk about it to inflame this even more because everything is taken so far out of context. And again, like you said, they're using these buzzwords to then create and Frankenstein a sentence together for a click. If you listen to the whole thing, it's more about sort of my child feelings in that moment rather than me and how I feel about mom as a parent. I don't know who I would be without my mother. I mean, I really, I can't even fathom it. The love that I have for her and the respect and the reverence that I have for her is beyond anything. So it was just, you know, completely taken out of context. It was used for clickbait, and it is what it is.

I just let it roll and, you know, deal with the repercussions. But it's over. I mean, that's the thing is I'm afraid to even talk about it now, because now they're going to be like, Kate Hudson brings it up again on the podcast. It slams her brother. That's what I wanted to say is that isn't it so interesting how people only read headlines? And I think, you know, some people really go and they delve deep and they want to like be more invested in what's really going on in the world. But we're living in like such a clickbait hashtag headline as news world.

and it's it's so I feel like it's like so detrimental to not I mean adults we we grew up in a different time you know we we know better as to like try to read you know read past the bold print but for kids it's this like scrolling mentality as true that is so dangerous and it's used it's you know I mean it's one thing if it's just like you know whatever tabloid fodder like you know um take the headline run with it because people might click on it and give us more you know more um advertising dollars yeah but but like but the reality is is that's happening with everything oh yeah everything yes and and i i think it's like such a you know i i i just wonder how do we engage kids to not to actually

look deeper. Well, beyond children, I think it's adults. As we, as a society are progressing, our intention span is just getting less and less. So these click, these, you know, these clickbait sort of headlines are going to just keep getting more prominent because your scroll, scroll, scroll, oh my God, what's that? Click. And then it's just frivolous. You know, or if an article's too long and I am I am a victim of this I'll be like oh that's interesting let me let me learn about like why the sun is as far away from the earth is and then I start scrolling I start reading I'm like let me see how much longer this article is I'm like I'm like oh I'm out I'm out it's way too long can I say I wish that they were I wish they were one of our sponsors but this is an unsponsored

shout up speechify like my life because of that have you tried my life because of that have you tried it? No, what is it? Oh my God, I'm so ADHD, right? And then I started using speechify and now I can read everything in like three minutes because my brain moves so fast that it helps me to actually like it highlights and reads it and then you can affect the speed. So you can change the way the speed is. So I'm reading at like three times a normal rate because you're reading or listening? read both so you so well then what's interesting that happens is is then you turn off the sound and you're like almost speed reading oh cool I'm gonna try that very cool and and like I'll read full articles that you're like oh it's too long I'll read them 10 minutes amazing I'm gonna get that

now Hannah will you just call them real quick and see if they'll pay us for this retroactively oh well Ollie listen I just thought it was really interesting because I obviously know how you know all this stuff goes and of course but it's funny how of course you secretly i'm always i'm always a little happy when you're under the gun no i know i immediately text the kate i'm like i was like uh oh but you know i mean to end all of it you know don't pay attention to that bullshit you know i mean i think it's words like trauma you're right it's like you say that word and immediately it inflamed everything there was no trauma coming from my mother's you know up the way she raised me in any way whatsoever you know you're speaking from a five six year old perspective that's what I was doing

without her again I'd be nothing I think I can't even more interesting is that like kids experience trauma all the time of course right without like without like without an adult really understanding that that might be the experience from such a young, like, how are we supposed to understand? Listen, I traumatize my children. No, I, of course. If you thought mom was bad. Yeah. Of course. My thing, too, is I have told this story on our podcast. No, I know. Many times. We all traumatize our children. It's not. I think that word, there's true. It is.

Yeah, it's a big word. It's a big word. It is. Yeah. And so there's real trauma, the kind of trauma that is a very different kind of conversation. The kind of trauma that we talked about, the kind of trauma in retrospect we can laugh about. Of course. It just, but it's, you know, look, you never want to make anyone feel bad.

And, you know, in retrospect, I'm just going to show. shut the fuck up from now on, you know, I'm not. I'm not really. I can't help it. I was like, don't, don't. No, no. Okay, Ollie, Lindsay Vaughn, she is, look, we love, we grew up in Colorado. You just got back from Big Sky, which, by the way, was it amazing?

Oh, my God. I mean, it was incredible. My favorite mountain I've ever skied. The snow was, oh, yeah. Oh, like, honestly, there's not even a close second. How can you say that? That's like, it doesn't matter. It is what it is.

It's just an incredible mountain. And it's huge and it's beautiful and the snow is unbelievable. How's the appra ski? I didn't do much of that. I did a pre-Apray. You know, I don't know if there's such a thing. I have a couple of Coors lights in the morning. I'm going to take a T-shirt and I'm going to put that on our coming, our coming, which is our merch.

Yes, pre-a-prey is kind of great. That's a good name for like a clothing company or something. But anyway, it was amazing. I mean, it was really, really amazing. But anyway, yeah, Lindsay, she'll tell us her story. I'm very excited because she's had multiple siblings as well, which they're not coming on. But I'm interested to see how they triplet siblings, you know, how sort of they felt about her being the center of attention, how everything was about probably Lindsay having to move and ski and, you know. I also think, too, it's also like, you must also watch your sibling go through so much mental.

turmoil as well and physical yeah she got her a ton being in that kind of sport and the amount of dedication like sometimes your some siblings must have been like god they want to like have fun you know yeah unless that was it for her unless that was her you know but i want to ski with her that's my that's what i'm trying to get it that's what i'm going to try to get out of this podcast I'm sure. I'm sure we, I'm sure that's not going to be hard. Yeah, but I, she needs to know what a fucking amazing skier I actually am. Oh, that's important to you. Yeah.

Got it. I mean, I pretty much shred. I mean. You do. Well, wait, hold on. I'm getting better at my older age, too. You are a insanely gorgeous skier. Yeah, I think so. It's like crazy. Like you have the kind of moves as a skier that like people tell me when you're not around.

Like, oh my God, I went skiing with Oliver and like he's such a beautiful skier. So yes. Yeah. Would you say I'm like. If that's enough, I'm giving you the validation that you mean. Okay, good. I feel like I am like the Michael Jackson of skiing. Yeah.

Or maybe like the Baryshnikov of skiing. Yeah. okay good i'll take that that's great you know what else i know we don't usually talk about pop culture because we're doing we don't really do that but can i ask you a question how did you feel about like the kate middleton the kate gate and all that stuff oh gosh in retrospect now like what well this is this is the problem who cares that she was kind of MIA for a while. Like, why is it a big deal?

Now, I know that the pomp of the monarchy is sort of that, oh, everyone needs to be seen. You show your face and you do your thing, and she was missing. Okay. Well, she wasn't missing. They made it very clear that they wouldn't hear from her until it used to. Okay, right. So the speculation and then all the comments, I just don't, I don't get it.

I don't understand why it matters that much. I never understood personally why so many people, especially Americans, are so invested in the mind. I never got it. Yeah. We have, I have friends, I think Esty's even one of them

who's like so obsessed with all of that. I just don't understand it, you know. Oh, I actually am a monarchy lover. I guess so. I don't know. I don't get it.

Look, there's the, obviously, it's a controversial thing because of the tax money and there's a lot of people who don't like it in England. And I lived there.

I lived in London for so long. So I still spend so much time there. And I just, I just think there's something kind of old school and wonderful about it. Yeah. But my, my, I, I, I just had to say, I felt so, I felt

so much sadness in the sense that you know, even in the beginning, I just realized, I knew something must be very wrong. And like, this sort of bombardment and the fact that it,

it's, you know, it's cancer, she's got young things. And I just felt just such like a, it, It just, it made me very emotional that we can't let people be quiet for a second when they clearly are going through something, you know. Oh, of course. Perspective, it becomes this sort of like, you know, people joking about it or, you know. Yeah, I mean, how many retractions were made from like big time celebrity people who are like,

oh my God, I'm so sorry. I cannot believe I even said that, you know. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. We've lost a sense of diplomacy and, and, and, and, and respect in terms of just, like, giving things a second to breathe. Right. We're just, it's just like everything is to be commented on. Everything is to be something that could, you know, create noise. And I think people should, that should make people stop and go.

Of course. I mean, I read it and I'm like, read the headline. Oh, Kate Middleton hasn't been seen in a minute. I'm like, okay, moving on. I didn't even think twice about it. What you're saying is you don't have empathy. No, I didn't. This is before.

You don't care. This is before she came out and said she was diagnosed with cancer. I was like, who cares? Like, what if she's just, she's just chilling? Like, who can't? And then, boom, it comes out. Why are people so, why do people care so much in general? Because it distracts us from all the things that are really,

hard in the world yeah yeah i guess but anyway i just i that's that that was something that is always on my on my mind i think sometimes there's amazing kind of lessons to be learned in these big pop culture moment that was a big one and lindsay's here but i also wanted to say one more thing like why why was it such a big meaning why speculate why would people all of a sudden say negative things about it you know what I mean what just because she wasn't in the press because it's the royal family and it's always been like that it's always been a source of a tabloid fodder you know um it's speculation like oh she doesn't she's not with harry or all kinds of friends Williams or whatever anymore blah blah okay yeah or like you know I mean anything from I mean it doesn't matter I mean there's a

million of them like you know she's like you know been abducted by aliens you've been oh my gosh you know she has no no you know i heard a million different ones i'm going to pay them you know yeah it's crazy i mean i was too worried about the backlash and uh the shit that i was dealing with in the last week i'm surprised people weren't speculating about me and how i was handling um all of this All of her case. This headline stuff, you know. Anyway, Lindsay is here, very excited. She's just got back from Hong Kong.

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actually explore i was in meetings all day but um but otherwise it was it was cool what were you doing what were you meeting about um i'm uh an lp and a new um sports fund so there there was like a wealth for good summit from the hong kong government and then we were fundraising as well so awesome wow well i while you were doing that i was in big sky for five days how was the snow i was so sad every time i go it's every time i leave the u.s or my home yeah always snowing it got it got slammed i mean it was incredible apparently the year big sky had not been great yeah but this spring storm just crushed and it was i mean some of the most consistent five days of skiing i ever had snow is just unreal and i never skied big sky either and it was oh really no i mean it's

i think it's my favorite mountain i've ever skied i mean really ever what was your um well we've grown up in aspen so we've skied all four of those mountains you know skied snowbird it's very different from aspen though i think yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but it was it was unreal i mean truly unreal so fun allie hasn't done any european skiing Really? No. Oh, my God. And that's what I've done like, I've done, to me, I think it's just the best.

Yeah, that's, it's so much better. Like Zermite, uh, same, well, Samaritz is just like. It's just a dream. Zermata here is just sort of kind of cruisy stuff. Well, not if you're doing the, not if you're doing the, not if you're going. Yeah. And you can kind of take, you can go from like different countries. Well, that's what I would like to do.

But then I just be like, you can go over to Italy. Right. So then basically it's just hammered skiing. We are just trying to like snow plow your way down into another country. Yeah, for a nagroney. Exactly. Lindsay, let's get into it. Well, first of all, you've got a thousand siblings.

I do. And you've got a triplets. I know. It's a lot. What are the order? What's the order of the? Well, I'm the oldest and best, so I don't know, which one of you is the oldest? Me, I'm the oldest and best, too.

Yeah, I'm the oldest, and then my sister Karin is four years younger than me, and then the triplets are six years younger than me. So I was babysitting a lot, changing a ton of diapers. And was this, were the triplets like a natural occurrence, like, oh, my God, there's three in there? Or was this, like, a function of hormone? thought they were natural but apparently not okay i always i always wonder with that like when you hear someone naturally got has like six kids you know i know like well back in the in the day like my mom um i didn't know this until not that long ago actually but um yeah they just you know gave women a ton of hormones um to help them get pregnant and just hope that it worked and so that's why she got

three. It worked. It worked. It worked. Well, too well. What was that light growing? Now, where did you grow up? I grew up in Minnesota, just south of Minneapolis. And what was the closest mountain to you? There are no mountains. There are, no, hills. And I grew up at Buckhill, which is about like 10 minutes from our house. It's a whopping 260 vertical feet. Whoa. Was there even a lift, or was it like a palm lift? Um, well, there are a couple of very short lifts, but we actually trained on a rope toe. So I grew up skiing just on a rope toe, which I think actually was really good, because even though it was small, we got a ton of repetitions in.

So I would ski every night after school from like five to eight, um, and I would get, you know, 20, 30 runs in, whereas, you know, people in, on the West Coast, you know, it takes 15 minutes just to take one run. So we got a lot out of, out of a little. I guess, too, when you're actually training, it's not about terrain, it's about sort of course stuff and honing, you know, your technical skills. So it doesn't really matter, right? Yeah, I mean, eventually we had to move. I mean, eventually, you know, I wanted to be good at downhill and that required an actual mountain. So we, you know, we moved to Vail when I was 12. And that was the impetus just that I, you know, needed more training and needed more terrain. You know, it was, again, Minnesota. said it was a perfect base, but you know, you have to be able to grow and I needed I needed a room to grow and bail was the perfect place. And the whole family moved. Yeah, I don't think

my, you know, my siblings weren't exactly thrilled on that idea. You know, my dad always thought that we all could be great racers, but it turns out not all of us wanted to be. But, you know, my dad looked at it as, you know, we're all getting an incredible opportunity by moving to and that, you know, the triplets especially were given a great, you know, a much better opportunity than I was even to be able to grow up in bail. But only one of my siblings really loved it, Reed. He, he loved ski racing and he ended up taking a couple of years off after high school to continue his pursuit of his racing, but he inevitably retired and became an architect.

Oh, cool. Yeah. Do you consider yourself a Colorado girl or Minnesota? I can't pick either. I would say I'm both. You know, I, I can't deny one. Like what's your team, but who's your team? So my family is from Minnesota, but my, my grandparents, cousins, uncles, aunts, they're all in Wisconsin. So it was always a Vikings Packers, you know, rivalry. But I, I know a lot of athletes now. So I kind of am just, I support a lot of different teams. I can't say that I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm not defined by one team.

Going back, just going back for a second, because I was interested in this even before we got on, the fact that you were the center of attention, the family seemingly revolved around you having to move to veil, having siblings who wanted their own lives, how did that impact your relationship with them and did they always feel like a little less than because it's all about fucking Lindsay um you know I think my perception was probably different than reality and I think you know as I got older I realized more about you know what my siblings were going through because I was honestly on the road a lot um so I'm you know while my family moved out to Colorado for me I by the time I was 14, I was already traveling nonstop. And when I was 17, I eventually made the Olympics. And

then my family moved back to Minnesota to, you know, my siblings wanted to finish high school in Minnesota and go back to their friends. And I think by that point, there was definitely a level of resentment. You know, they, they weren't, I think my dad, you know, kind of filled their heads with these grandiose dreams of what, you know, we all could be in Colorado. And, you know, it was an amazing opportunity and honestly there's to be able to grow up in male as privilege but I think my siblings didn't really see it that way and I think it was hard for them to adjust to um to to the to new friends new surroundings they didn't you know love ski racing they they love being on the mountain but but not racing and and I wouldn't say I mean I

don't I don't know it's for sure but I don't know if they thought that the world revolved around me because my parents did put a lot into them and I think maybe too much so like maybe I think they tried too hard to get them to ski race and instead of you know focusing on ski racing trying other sports or you know other interests but you know when we're older I think you know we have a different perspective and I I unfortunately think that their sacrifice was a lot bigger than I, I knew growing up. And you've realized that in your older age as your relationship now. I mean, you guys close.

You know, my family, we're not great at communicating. So, you know, I've kind of pulled it out of them and through different conversations, you know, they've actually finally told me what they really feel. And we've never really talked about it. And I think it was, we haven't really got over like the healing part, but I think, you know, there's a much better understanding between us now than there was before, which I think is important. Do you think when you're that good at something? I mean, did you know how good you were when you were young?

Were you aware? When I was 11, I was beating, you know, 13, 14, 15 year olds. and I didn't, I knew that I wanted to be an Olympian. I didn't know that, I didn't know where it would take me. So I had an awareness that I had a goal and that's where I wanted to be and nothing was going to stand in my way. But I don't know, I didn't, I don't think you really ever understand the magnitude of anything when, you know, you're that age.

When you were that young, what were you beating these kids in? Was it like slalom, giant slalom? I grew up in Minnesota, so that's really all we could do is slalom. Right. I originally was a slalom skier. I won Slalom World Cups. I know everyone thinks that I only can ski downhill, but I actually can bash some gays, you know. Yeah.

A quick technical question just because I'm a nerd. I love skiing and skiing all my life. But, you know, you look at other sports and there's all different sort of facets to it. When someone looks at skiing, it's like, okay, if you're going downhill, you point your skis and go fast, right? And if you're skiing solom, as far as technique goes, what sets you apart? What made you better? Was it technique? You know what I mean? Like, why are you beating 15-year-olds? It was definitely technique. I mean, I think I was pretty advanced for my age. I was pretty tall. And, you know, at that time, at that age, you either can cross-block. Like, you can hit the gates

with your hands, or you can't. And I was very advanced. I was cross-blocking at, like, nine or ten um and you know i i think that minnesota you know again while it's small i was able to really learn a lot more quickly than than most um and i was also incredibly competitive a lot of those kids you know were out there having fun and i was i was out there to do some damage you know so i think it was a different mindset as well and do you think you were like that as a child like as a young that you're you had competitive spirit like before you even started skiing yeah i was always very competitive i was always kind of you know with my siblings i was like the leader of the pack you know we would always do adventurous things you know i would always be competitive with them i would be competitive

with pretty much anyone and for any reason um and you know it was it was great ski racing was great for me because I could channel it, you know, and that was always my outlet in my whole life. That was my, you know, competitive outlet. Are you still, like, hyper competitive? Yeah, it's kind of a problem now that I don't have skiing right to, you know? You're working on that now. It's definitely work in progress. It's definitely work in progress.

I'd like to get into that with you in relationships, like, okay, like, another time over a drink. Yes, let's do that. channeling that and then having that in relationships it's sort of like okay maybe i need to figure this one yeah yeah because because that competitive spirit like where is the outlet for it when you don't have skiing and i mean how do you how do you channel that where does that that's either where does it come out you know like in business yeah i mean i think for me one thing that's helped a lot is just is focusing on my workouts and and everyone says to me you know you're retired now you can chill out.

And I'm like, I need the gym. You know, the gym is, is the only place that I can, you know, really physically push myself. It's not the same and it's not, you know, it's not downhill racing, but it's, it's something. And as far as like competitiveness, tennis is something that I've really enjoyed. I don't play games because I don't think I would be in a relationship if I actually played points. But it's something that, you know, I can be very focused. on and, you know, I need like a challenge because if you think about it, you know, sports are not just, you know, about winning. It's about, you know, every day I have a goal. I accomplish my

goal. You know, there are things that you accomplish every day, you know, and you don't get that in really anything else in life. You know, it's not like I can say, oh, today I want to work on this and it just, you know, it gets there through hard work. I don't know. It's a, it's a, it's a, I can't really explain it very well, but sports has a certain level of accomplishment that you have and it's

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as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the. iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. How is your, you know, sort of more spiritual or should say kind of mindful practice? Is that something you do often or is that something that doesn't, you don't prioritize? Yeah, I mean, I think meditation, you know, like mindfulness, that, for me, happens in the gym. You know, it's really a space where I'm not on my phone. I'm very present. I understand my body very well. You know, I can push my body. It's, it's that to me is, is like my mindfulness, like my, my area where I can really be within myself, you know, and no one,

like I build this kind of bubble and no one, no one is in my bubble, you know, and I'm in the gym. What happens when you sit in silence alone with no distraction? Is that hard for you or easy? It's hard. I've gotten better at it. I used to never be able to, I mean, I was alone a lot on the road, but I would always keep myself distracted. It was very hard to be in silence.

But I journal a lot, and I think that that's something that's always helped me. But silence in general, without writing, without doing anything, is quite challenging for me what was your what was your prep when you were racing you know like was it different between each between solomgis downhill or was it the same yeah there's an element of preparation that you have in downhill that you don't have in the other disciplines because you actually can you have a training run or two you know where you see the course you visualize the course so I can you know just visualize it in my head over and over and over and it's a perfect it's a it's an amazing preparation but for all the other disciplines, you look at the course in the morning,

and that's the only opportunity you have to see the course before you race. But visualization and, you know, that kind of repetitive thinking was always very helpful for me because I'm very detail-oriented. So I need to, you know, try to control as many elements as possible. Ski racing, there are so many variables and so many things you cannot control that I, you know, tried to, you know, eliminate the very. as much as possible. Some may say I'm OCD, you know, that could be something that I need to work on. But interesting, when you're in downhill, you're just rolling. I mean, at the end of the day, you have

your prep, and then once you break the gate, you're gone. Yeah. And then instinct takes over, and it seems like you took extremely aggressive lines, which led to your success and your pain. Injury, correct? Yeah. I mean, I definitely think. that my aggressive line was always planned, you know, unless I made a mistake and I had to make adjustments on the fly, I always was very calculated with what I did. I just calculated to be aggressive. And I don't have a break. You know, my foot is always on the gas until I literally crash into the fence because I always think I can pull it off. And honestly, 98% of the time I did pull it off. But unfortunately, you know, when you're going that fast, you know,

if one little thing goes wrong, that's the 2% and that's the reason why I, you know, had the injuries that I did. How are your parents with this in terms of like fear? You know, I, I, all of her son, Wilder has a girlfriend who is a, she's a racist, but she does, what does it called, Ollie? She's like a free skier. She does like Cliff stuff. Like big mountain stuff. Big mountain stuff, yeah. And, like, I just don't know how I could handle that as a parent. It's like, it's so dangerous.

Yeah, I mean, I have a harder time with big mountain stuff because there's so many variables that I can't control. You know, the avalanche danger is something that I, you know, that I just, that's not really my thing. I like. But were your parents, like, but were your parents nervous? I think my mom was definitely nervous and she actually woke up, you know, when I was racing on the World Cup and she wasn't, you know, she wasn't there.

She would wake up at three in the morning and, like, pray for me. And, you know, our races generally weren't on TV or they weren't live on TV. So she would have the live timing on her phone, which all she saw was the time. And she would, like, pray for me for every interval. My dad, you know, he was a ski racer. So he gets it. And he claims he was never really nervous. I think in the end of my career, when I was crashing more frequently, I think that he was

a lot more nervous because the injuries were very severe. But my grandparents, too, is interesting. Like, my grandparent, my grandpa would always watch and, you know, tell my grandma the times while my grandma would close her eyes and not look at all and just continue to pray for me. So, you know, every family member had kind of a different way of. of watching, but I think they're, they were nervous, but no one ever said, don't do it. So, so with these injuries you sustained, right? Like, it takes a special athlete, and there's only a few of them.

I mean, Kobe, Tiger, you, I mean, how do you pick yourself up and fucking rehab surgery after surgery after rehab after rehab? I mean, is it just, it's pure grit, it's pure love for what you do, or is it, Does it come from a place like, this is all I know? I have no choice. No, it was always my choice. It was that I loved what I did. And I think every time I got hurt, it gave me a new perspective and a new found love for the sport because you never know when it's going to end.

And so I appreciated every second that I got to race. And I was grinding as hard as I could to get back as fast as I could because I didn't want to miss. a single race. You know, I, I race injured all the time because the thought of missing a race was, was like, this is not possible. Like, I need to be out there and I need to go fast. And I love this. It was never, I never felt like I was working my entire life. Are there any moments in your career that you wish you could go back and like do again? Of course. I mean, there always are. Is there anyone that like sticks out? Um, I mean, you know, the first injury that I had that really started this domino effect was my, was that when I tore my ACL and in, uh, MCL and in Schlotting in 2013 at the World Championships.

And we shouldn't have been racing. And I wish that I would have stuck to my guns and protested and said, you know, this isn't right. We shouldn't, shouldn't be doing this right now. but I didn't because I'm a competitor and if my competition wants to race, then I'm in a race. And deep down, I knew it wasn't right, but I didn't stand up for myself and I should have. And for those who don't know, like, what wasn't right about it? So we had originally, the plan to start was like 11 or 1115 in the morning. It was hard snow but foggy. and the fog stayed for a long time. So we had delays every 15 minutes from 11 o'clock until we started at 3 p.m.

Wow. And by the time we raised, the light was getting darker and the snow was slop. And it was what happened to me was that I went off a jump and I landed and my foot stuck in the soft snow. And I consequently did summer snow. over the tips of my skis. But the snow should never have been like that. We should never have been racing in those conditions. You know, it was a lot of times there's so much pressure to get these races off

because every time that you don't race, you lose millions and millions of dollars. So there's a lot of ulterior motives, unfortunately. But, yeah, it was the snow conditions were not acceptable for any type of race. That's an interesting question. never even thought about. What are the politics? A lot of politics. Are there? Because obviously there's politics and sports. Anytime there's money, that much money involved, you're dealing with the political landscape of that sport. But yeah, with skiing, I mean, are there a ton of politics and skiing? There are because there's so many variables. The weather is a, is a huge

issue for us. And again, if you lose, if you get a race canceled, it's between three and five million dollars loss from organizing committee and a lot of these towns can't really afford i mean there's insurance of course but you know a lot of these towns just it's it's very difficult when that happens and so um there are people pushing from all sides to try to get these races done and obviously there's a there's an athletes committee but a lot of times we're women and the men don't tend to listen to us um but there's there's always politics in ski racing. It's a lot more complicated than most people think or, you know, because you don't really see it. But the athletes are always fighting for safety. And we're not

always succeeding. So because we're, we're, our time is, is slowly going. I wanted to get into a little bit like where you are now, but also just I, I consider myself like a frustrated athlete. And I was a soccer girl. So you just, you just, became an owner in a soccer team, right? Salt Lake. Yeah. I'm actually an investor in Angel City and Utah Royals. Awesome. And this is becoming kind of a very, very popular thing right now, but it brings up the bigger conversation, which is women in sports. And do you find that you have a responsibility as being one of the few women who've been able to kind of really, really, make not only a great living, but like come out as that sort of iconic female professional

in sports, there's only really a handful that can actually sort of pop out and make such a living. Do you find now that you're retired that you have this responsibility to really boost women's sports and how do you think it's going and now? And what's the goal? What's your ultimate goal? I mean, my ultimate goal is to, you know, help pave a path so that, you know, the generations behind me have an easier way forward and can achieve more. You know, I think for me, there's not, you know, a goal of I want to support a team, so I win a championship. Like, I really don't care if they want a championship. I'm supporting women in sports because I want to show them that I support them. And I want to, you know, try to encourage others.

to support women in sports, you know, I want to get the viewership up. I want to get, you know, people to pay attention so that they can get the, the paychecks that they deserve, and they can be seen outside of their sport. You know, I think when you're an athlete, you have to focus on the task at hand. You know, you have to focus on your job. And, you know, oftentimes you miss out on opportunities. You know, if you're not like me, I was always working really hard outside of ski racing to create, you know, a life for myself to create a brand that, you know, would last me after ski racing, because ski racing, you make zero dollars. And so I think, you know, sometimes if you don't have that mentality, you can miss a lot of opportunities. So I want to try to create

opportunities for those women so that they don't miss anything so that they have, you know, a platform that they can stand on, that they can, you know, hopefully succeed in life, not just in sports. But you see it, you know, Angel City was, you know, Serena and Billie Jean King and, and, you know, so many people who love supporting women in sports. And I definitely think it set the tone for the NWSL and what they're able to achieve now. You know, it's got this snowball rolling and it's picking up steam. And, you know, it's transcending now to, you know, basketball and, you know, volleyball, college sports are taking off. And that's only, that's going to help all women, you know, it doesn't just help this one specific group of women. It helps all

women. And it shows, you know, kids, what's possible. You know, every generation, you know, you set the bar. And when kids see that bar being set even higher, they know that they can get there. You know, I think it's setting that example. And, you know, for me, I've always felt a responsibility to give back and to support other women because, you know, knowingly or not, Pekaboo Street was my idol. and I met her at autograph signing in Minnesota when I was nine years old. And because of her, I wanted to be an Olympian. And so, you know, I want to give that opportunity to others. And I want to try to inspire and push and show girls that they can achieve anything

they're set their mind to, which is why I started my foundation where we have, we have programs and scholarships for underserved girls. But it all comes from the premise of Peekaboo and what she did for me. And I want to do that for others. Mm, peekaboo is badass. It was a boss. Yeah. Just like great shoes, great books take you places.

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So wait, are you, did you start a volleyball league? I am, yeah, I'm helping start. I interviewed Bodie and Morgan. And the big announcement for her was her moving back to OC and she's going to play, she's going to play again indoor. He's training her ass off right now. Yeah. I don't know how she does it with it.

I can't believe it. Everything, it's like, that's impressive. Yeah, we've known Bodie for a long time. He's so chill, you know, it's almost like you don't know what he's feeling or thinking. You're like, okay. It starts at one point, goes to another, then he comes back around to that point. You're like, I don't know what. Bodie is a good dude, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, he's like, look, we lived in big sky, sacrificed a ton. She sacrificed a ton. She was getting stir crazy. She's like, I got to get out of here. I've got to do something. I'm excited. Now they're an O-C.

One more thing about women's sports, you know, as just far as women getting paid for what they do, like what are your thoughts about all that? And I'm only playing devil's advocate because at the end of the day, how do athletes get paid? It's a, the revenues come from, you know, the amount of viewers who are watching. Advertising dollars. So how do you reconcile that? Yeah, I mean, advertising makes the world go around, right? You know, the more viewers you have, the more people want to spend on advertising.

And in turn, the more women get paid. And I think that that's the number one focus is really getting eyeballs onto the sport. You know, I think in WMBA, ticket sales are definitely a portion of, you know, the business. And it needs to be, you know, sold out as much as possible for them to, you know, get their money. But, you know, I've, I'm now, you know, investing in, you know, not just me personally, but I'm helping another investment group with, you know, investing in different sports leagues. And what I've really found out, you know, in the ins and outs of sports is literally every sport revolves around viewership. The more people are watching, you know, the more you're going to get paid. And I think women's sports is showing that, you know, we do have the viewership.

I think the reason why women haven't gotten paid before is that it wasn't on TV. You know, and people weren't watching because it wasn't on TV. And people who were deciding that was on TV were men. You know, so I think. Yeah, we weren't investing in female stars in sports. No. Like they didn't think anyone would watch. If you think about it, like I don't think anyone thought that so many people, for example,

like the volleyball game in Nebraska, would anyone have thought that 95,000 people would come to a football stadium to watch a volleyball? game probably not you know so i think that just the amount of people that are showing up for women are proving the point that there are people that want to watch millions of people that want to watch women in sports and when we when we prove that point it'll be more on tv and then we'll get more ad revenue and then the athletes in turn will get more money so it's a snowball effect and we have to keep pushing forward we have to keep pushing networks to put in a women's sports on tv and and continue to prove the point so that women, women will get paid. Mm-hmm. 100%.

As someone who's as competitive as you are, right? You look at Kareem, LeBron just broke his points record. You know, you've held records. I was there. I was there. You hold records, okay. When it gets broken, when Schifrin sort of breaks a record, I know everyone's excited for everyone.

As a competitor, I've always wondered this. Is it kind of like bittersweet? Like, hey, I love her, thank you. fuck off. I mean, is there a part of that? Like, is Kareem high-fiving? And at the same time, like, God damn it. I mean, you know, Kareem's not doing jumping up and down, but, you know,

abroad and broken. Right. But I think there's a mutual respect there. And, you know, it's so hard to get to that level of success. You know, I respect Michaela and what she was able to achieve. You know, it's, it's so impressive. I can't, you know, can't say that I'm not disappointed that my records aren't there, but at the same time, you know, that's what it's meant to be there for, you know,

it's meant to be broken and the next generation is next to be, is meant to be better than the one before. You know, I broke the record by 20 wins and Michaela's, you know, 20 wins ahead of me. So that's just, that's progression. That's the way it's meant to go. And I think for me, it's just a matter of respect. and I have always respected her and what she's achieved. How cool of that I've been if you guys were at the same era.

Oh, my gosh. But then there's someone else that's coming up behind. No, it's a, it's a different generation. The nature of the beast, isn't it? Then I got one more question. Hold on. Aspen Vale, all right? There always has been this weird rivalry.

Always. Okay. So there's hats in Aspen, which we've been there for 40 years, down valley, but in the valley. you know there's hats you say veil sucks fuck veil that i'm sure it's similar in veil what what is this i don't even understand it really i don't really understand it that i will say the kids like i've talked to a lot of kids especially in the last couple years and they still the rivalry is so there it's crazy i don't know why it is i think um you guys i think aspen is a little bit more

bougie, yeah. Aspen is not that bail's not. Totally. It's not like we're not boogey and bail. No, lift tickets are the same. They're the same price. I don't know. It's an interesting thing and it's always been that way.

I don't know. The question is, what is the better mountain? The better mount without doubt, bail. Like, I can't, you can't even deny that. Bail is by far the best. It's one of the best mountain. It's true. It's, it has everything.

It's true. When was the last time you said? skied the back bowls at Bayel Alley. Has it been years? It's been a long, long time. I went to Boulder, so I used to go to Vail all the time. Yeah, but it's been a minute. You're still skiing, right? Yeah, of course, obviously. Yeah. Oliver, before we got on, was like, I just want to ski with Lindsay.

I'm like, I think we can make that happen. Yes, we can obviously make that happen. It's not because he wants to see you to ski. It's because he... I want to show off for you. He wants you to see how beautiful he is. But wait, let's try to do it. Let's try to do it.

Let's do it. I'm down. All right. Go ahead. That's the question. Okay. All right. We can do it in Europe.

You know, that would be fun too. Okay. Everybody knows you as a skier. Everybody knows you. It's iconic athletes. But what is something about you that people don't know about you? I don't know. I'm a really family-oriented person.

I mean, I'm the same Minnesota girl. I think everyone thinks that I've become, you know, this whatever, you know, big sports star. I'm just the same person I always have been. I've never changed. You know, my friends from when I was seven years old in Minnesota are still my friends from Minnesota. And, you know, I haven't changed who I am. It's, I just think it's a common misconception that, you know, and even honestly, my family in Wisconsin thinks I'm Hollywood, but I am very far from that. Awesome.

Good. Okay. One more. One more question. How much pressure are you putting on your inside ski when you're making a turn? It should be like honestly 50-50. I can't seem to get that inside edge. I think we need to look at your setup. Okay. Yeah. I mean, why isn't your friend Bodie helped you with that? That's his stuff. Because he doesn't care really. He's just sort of like, you know. Whatever. Just do it. Whatever. Just fucking ski. Well, we should ski together. And I can. can help you. I'd love to. I need to get you the right equipment. You know, Bodie, we need to get you on head, not on. Yeah, not peak. No, no. You want some real stuff. All right. Okay, good. Good to know. Well, thank you so much. This has been super fun, super treat. Yeah. Thank you guys so much.

I know you guys are going busy. So thank you. It was great to see you guys. And we'll go skiing soon. Yes. Can't wait. Bye, guys. Bye. Later. Just like great shoes, great books take you places, through unforgettable love stories and into conversations with characters you'll never forget. I think any good romance, it gives me this feeling of, like, butterflies. I'm Danielle Robay, and this is bookmarked by Reese's Book Club, the new podcast from Hello Sunshine and IHeart Podcasts, where we dive into the stories that shape us, on the page and off.

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