Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - It's the Best of Sibling Revelry! (part 1)

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

Revel in these memorable moments with our favorite siblings Kate and Oliver Hudson!  Hugh Jackman, Anthony Anderson, Mel Robbins and more take us on wild rides down memory lane. Plus, relive the mayhem when mama Goldie Hawn enters the chat!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Bowen-Yin. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead-up to the Milan-Cortina-2020 Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Boone, hi, hi, Matt, hi, hi, Matt. Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt, hey, Bowen.

Hi, hi, Cookie. Hi. Now, the Winter Olympic Games are underway, and we are in, in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to two guys, five rings on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Revelry That's good

It's the best of sibling Revelry All right we have Anthony Anderson Is he here? Oh great He's been a friend of mine For a long, long time Yes

Yeah, let's bring him To see if he feels That he is powerful Powerful What are you? Hello What's going on? How's it going?

There's two of yous Yeah, hey, you know what? I always have to watch my back. Okay, okay. I have a quick question. Kate, where the hell are you because Oliver looks like he's in his closet. I mean, I can see his dirty drawers.

Kate's like an English countryside. Kate looks like she's in a dark English manner. She's actually a university. Universal City of the Harry Potter exhibit. I'm in my son's room, man. I don't have my own space in this house. So I just have to find any place that I can settle down in. When was your first, like, job job?

Ooh, my first job job. My first job that I got, I thought as an entertainer's art, I was Captain Cravings. I was at Howard University, and this gourmet dessert delivery company needed a mascot. So they came to Howard, I don't know how I ended up at Howard, and they wanted an actor. And so they came into the School of Fine Arts. and they were doing so I met with these guys and I got the gig

and I shot this little commercial for them in D.C. This little regional thing for them and they loved it so much that they made me the mascot but my job was to actually

this was this was this was Uber Eats before there was Uber Eats I used to I had to deliver the dessert to these offices I was like yo man I'm not acting

I'm like yo I'm going by delivery but it was my first because I was in full costume I was Captain Cravings that was my name Captain Cravings is great I had on a black pair of dance tights I had on some Chuck Taylor's

with, uh, fortunately, there's no pictures to cooperate. I was going to say, where can we find these? Again, I had our chuck, some bedazzled Chuck Taylor's. I had on a white cravings catering sweatshirt. I had on a pink cake. I had on, uh, some silver, a silver long ranger mask, rhinestone. Wow.

And on the back of the tape, it said, Captain Cravings. And it said, if you ever need to be saved, dial 797 craved. And I had to fucking, that was my first acting. Now, did you have to show up delivering things in the outfit? That was the only way I could deliver the things. You must have gotten so laid. In the outfit.

I said, if you ever, I said, if anybody ever orders this from Howard University, it will never be delivered by me. Oh my God. That's a good, that's a good person. That's funny, dude. That was my first acting gig. Now my first professional good. Yeah, yeah.

Like what did you got your sag card? Yeah, on my resume was, I want to, it was a Roger Foreman film called Alien Avengers. And I was in it with George Wendt. and I'll never forget this. At the end of the day, I went to say goodbye to George and he was sitting out on the step of it.

We had these double bangers. He was sitting on the step of his double banger with an ice chest full of beer. And I was like, oh shit, it's real! It's real! He really is the guy from tears! I thought he had a beer when George went at the end of the day.

Alien Avengers, The Roger Corman film was... And were you hyped? Was this just huge? Oh, it was huge for me. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean, yeah. It was huge for me. It was one day's worth of work.

Yeah. You know, maybe two scenes in something really campy, but it was fun, and I got to work with some great people, and I get to say that was my claim to fame. That's how I got my sad card. Hugh Jackman. Well, Hugh, I want to slow, hold on. I want to start this whole whole thing.

whole thing off by saying that before you came on, I asked Kate a very poignant question because I know that you guys get a thousand of the same questions every single day when you're doing these press junkets, right? But I ask Kate, what does Hugh Jackman smell like? Because she's with you all the time through the sweaty moments, through the tender moments. And, you know, she gave a very nice answer. So why don't you, why don't you tell them what you smell like? I said. Yeah. And then I thought, well, this is a really fun thing to do with any co-star. I feel like you, I said like grass, like freshly cut grass. Wow.

Do you like that? I mean, first of all, I love that smell. I told you meant like grass. That's how I smell. That is not me. I mean, in the past, maybe. It's not me now. that was the smell.

I'm sure there's been some funk in some points and there's but even in those moments you're always kind of there's like a freshness. Yeah, you're, you've got to and then we went into other co-stars and then even the guys, even the people that I work with on running point and started to get weird.

Well, the Ike Barronhold's smell was spot on. She said like it's a Michelin Star Brisket. With some caramelized onions. that's very edible i'll take that australia is where you made you know hey in the beginning correct and as an actor and then did you then graduate to sort of the states or were you were you a known entity in australia before anyone knew you in the i did a i sort of came out from drama school and did a tv series which made me

semi-known and then i did a couple of things on stage which sort of made me known and I think I was semi-known. You know, I was no... I wasn't Nicole Kidman or I lost a crow, but I was there. And then I went to England to do Oklahoma. And that was a big hit over there. And I auditioned for X-Men from that.

And so, but it was... X-Men was a massive game. It was like I was here and then... Massive. Oh, shit. So it was literally Oklahoma to X-Men. Right. I auditioned with a perm in my hair. I put on a baseball cap

and I remember the casting agent going I don't think the baseball caps are great idea and I took it off she was I think it's a good idea well do you remember your audition for X-Men?

I mean you do did you bring the voice already is that your interpretation I think I can't remember that but I remember Adler he's one of the great bits of luck I had to go in between, it was a Wednesday,

and I had to go in between the matinee and the evening show, it was a long show, we came down at 5, I had to be back by 7, so I'd go into town, I ran into town, and I'm waiting to do this audition. And I remember just going, they knew I had a show, and I was

like, I've got to go, I've got to go. I've got to go. And finally, I did the dick thing. I'd sort of, someone left, I knocked on the door, I said, guys, I've got to go. And they said, well, you're not next. I said, that's cool. I've got a show to do.

So I'm out. Thanks, all the best. But I was pissed and didn't give a shit. And whatever nerves I had about doing it, I was just like, whatever. And I went in there, of course, perfect for a rain, right? So I went in with a, I didn't give a shit. Are we done? We fucking done.

Let's go. And I walked out the door and they were like, we love this guy. Let's get him back. And then my next audition, I was like, what were July? Right. Totally. Let's go. New music.

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Oh, well, I'll never get in that water again. This is Oliver Hudson here, and I'm actually live with an incredible guest, Mel Robbins, and my mother. I'm speaking quietly. Now, I've read her book, The Let Them Theory, and it's incredible. But I'm speaking quietly because my mom and Mel, they have really hit it off. They're currently right to my left. But before we even got the mic set up, they are up, up, and away.

They're excluding me right now, which is fine. I will work my way in. Right now I'm just commentating on their conversation. These two beautiful blondes are just going at it. Let's join their conversation now, already in progress. Yeah. But, you know, what you have done, which is so interesting,

and I've got so many, we've got so many questions, but you're also looking at human behavior. You're also looking at where we can go to actually heal. How are we going to be able to understand, like you did, you know, the five-second rule or whatever, which was amazing, and get people off, you know, off because they're thinking of all kinds of reasons why not to do something. Yes. Get them going. My childhood was fine. It was in my 40s when things got horrible.

Were you drinking a lot? Oh, hell yes. Oh, you were? Absolutely. And that was, there was a numbing effect. That was, that was. Dude, you want to know how bad things got? This is how you know you're failing at parenting.

Yeah. When the kids go to bed, you start drinking Manhattan's, like four or five of them. And then the next thing you remember is when you wake up in a chair in the living room because your three kids have missed the bus and they're making you up. That's how you know you're failing at this parenting thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that was happening. Yeah. And what, you know, and this is the thing that I talk about a lot because I experienced it is you can know what to do.

Right. But how do you make yourself do it? That's the $50 million. That's right there. That's it right there. That's it right there. I knew I needed a job. I knew I needed to stop screaming at Chris.

I knew I needed to stop yelling at the kids. I knew I needed to tell my parents what was happening. I knew I needed to open the bills that had been piling up for six months. I couldn't do it. Mm-hmm. And what all the psychologists in researching the various books I've written, and now I feel confirmed by my own experience, and you of course know this,

is that there is a tremendous relationship between pain and the will to change. And it's a fantasy to think that most of us are positively motivated to change. The human brain, because of the negativity bias, is actually wired to default towards what's easy now. you have to make a conscious, intentional decision to force yourself to do things that feel hard if you want to change. And for most of us,

I am very negatively motivated. So I'm stubborn. Like it took a lot of pain for me to get to a point where I'm like, well, drinking myself into a ground, destroying my marriage, not paying bills, feeling this level of shame.

Sitting here is now harder than getting out of bed. Yeah. I can relate to this. that's so. And so understanding that you can either let your life get worse before it gets better because it's going to. It's going to get worse. Or you can decide that where you're at is no longer where you want to be and you can recognize your never, motivation is complete net or garbage. You're never going to feel like doing what you need to do. You have to force yourself to do it.

That's the skill. Did you have a lot of stop and starts? Always. Every day. I'm speaking of my own experience. Boom, I'm fucking on it. I'm not going to drink anymore. I'm going to be healthy.

I'm going to get my life together. And bang, it's great. Three weeks. And then, oh, no, what happened? Here I am again. Yes.

You listened to how you felt instead of focusing on what you need to do. Right. And so at what point was that true inflection point, where it was just like, okay, here we are.

I am moving on to the next part of my life. So I think you change your life with one decision. The results of that decision show up over time. There's a big difference between the will and the desire to change, which begins with a singular decision and the results that show up because you keep showing up. And it is always fits and starts. It is a myth that you will be perfect like a robot. In fact, Strava is this great fitness app.

Yeah, I'm on it. Well, they've crunched all the data. And there's actually a day that is called Quitters Day based on hundreds of millions of pieces of data. Yeah. Day 19 is the average day when people quit. And the reason why is because you have forced yourself to start something new, you have recognized it it's going to be challenging, and you've pushed yourself through it. But by day 19, it's now grueling and boring and you don't see the results yet.

And that's when most people... And you're not getting a dopamine reaction. Correct. And that's when most people give up is right around day 19. And what I love, though, is this piece of research. because a lot of us, we are always going to go in fits and starts. That's just how it goes. And so I want you to think about change like climbing a staircase with landings. When you go up a flight of stairs, if you get to a landing, you're still up that flight of stairs.

Yeah. The landing is just a plateau. And most of us think that we failed. No, no, no. It's just a plateau. You still keep the game. Yeah. When you go up the next flight and push yourself again after not going to,

going to the gym for the week, you didn't lose that flight you already climbed. And it's a mistake to think you're going back to zero because you're not giving yourself the credit for how far you've come. Yeah. Also, there's an idea that once you get excited about what you're doing, right, it's like playing the piano. You love your first lessons. They're really terrific. Yeah. But you can't learn to play the piano in a day or a month or even six months. You have to stay practicing all the time in order for that to happen. And it's the same thing with behavior. It's the same thing with creating more habitual behavior in your brain.

So we have to realize and be patient with ourselves to know. And that's what that's the, I love that analogy. That's the landing. Dr. Laura Berman. Let's talk about porn. Because I feel like this is like a big topic of conversation, like also with girls. You know, how much porn do you watch together? How do you watch porn together?

Do you not watch porn together? Do you find that if your partner's watching porn without you, that's a version of cheating? Do they hide the fact that they, you know, I feel like it's such a thing. And also, also I also have a quick, along those lines, I know porn is sort of seen as negative, which of course it is. It's infiltrating sort of the young mom. minds and giving them a different idea of sex and what pleasure is and what sexual experience is like. It is part of a natural evolution. I say natural because everything is evolving naturally,

even though it's through tech. But is there any positivity to porn, you know? Yeah. Well, so this is interesting, even for me, because I've been doing this for 30 years. And until Pornhub went free, if you asked me this question unequivocally, I would say, you know what, there is definitely a place for porn in a healthy relationship. I am not anti-porn. I think it can be used as long as it's not replacing sex or getting in the way of sex. You know, keeping in mind that it's not really a reasonable, you know, expression of what pleases a woman and what bodies look like and all of those. It's not a good sex education. Let's just put it that way.

Now I actually feel differently about it because it has become so accessible and insidious. And what happens and they've now started to look at people's brains, and this is really fascinating and also scary. What they found is when you are looking at porn, so let's just take a guy who's looking at porn or a young boy who's looking at porn, the brain is perceiving what you're seeing on the screen as 2D, not 3D. So you're creating a neuro pathway and a brain penis or brain body reaction to a two-dimensional object, not a three-dimensional person. And what they're finding is, so two things.

One, porn stimulates the dopamine centers. And that's the same part of the brain that lights up when you do coke. It's the addiction part of the brain. And just like with Coke, you need more and more and more. Well, with porn, it's not just more and more and more. You need heightened. Okay, I've seen enough of the teacher and the student. Now that doesn't do it for me anymore.

It doesn't stimulate my... Now I need S&M. Now I need choking. Now I need violence. You have to keep upping the ante to get the same effect. So that's kind of dangerous. Right. The second thing is that you are training the body to respond to 2D.

versus 3D. So what they're seeing is that men who are watching a lot of porn, especially when they start young, but even for older men, are having a harder time getting aroused by a three-dimensional woman or man or whoever they're with. So they have to watch porn in order to get aroused while they're having sex. Also, I wonder how it like leads. There's all this, you know, like how it leads into sort of live, like the video, you know, all the video stuff.

It's a slippery slope. Oh, my God. I had a friend who found out that their partner was like completely addicted to, it's really addictive. And I was just like, yeah, but I think that goes to the thing. Like, is that, I mean, I guess it's how you define cheating, but I would feel so, it would feel awful for me if I was in that, you know. Well, historically, like before I would have said, okay, I get it, that it makes you feel

insecure, but you have to understand that this is fantasy, right? And he doesn't want to be with that porn star. He wants to be with you and all men self-stimulate and this is just what he's doing. Now I feel differently because of what's been happening. And I do think that so many men and women, but it's mostly men and young boys are getting into this cycle where they're addicted and they would rather go and, you know, take care of themselves quickly watching some porn than engaging sex. It's starting to replace sex with their partner. And that does feel like a betrayal. Why did you write sex magic? Where did this come from? Why another book? You know, what, like, what moved you to do it? And what do you want? What person, like, what are they going to get from

this book that you hope that they get from this? It's really about how to create that intense excitement in long term or any relationship. It's for singles and people in relationship. But I wrote it because people are looking for that dopamine hit. They're looking in all the wrong places for excited intensity, which is that erotic excitement and feeling. And I've done all the books giving you all the tips, tools, roleplays, and everything. And that's fine.

And I love that. This is making sex into a sacred energy exchange. It's teaching you how to access. the energy of your sexuality, so it's not just located in your genitals, but you can run it through your body. You can circle it between you. It teaches you to release the inhibitions that are in the way and really connect on a deeper, profound level emotionally, but especially sensually and sexually and that's really what I've been teaching my couples for years, but it finally dawned on me like, oh, this is what people are looking for when they keep asking me, how do you spice it up?

How do you spice it up? They're looking for intense excitement. They're looking for that feeling. So that's what I'm teaching you to do in sex magic. And it uses all those ancient techniques. It's basically making modern and accessible tantra, kundalini, Kama Sutra, Taoism. They knew how to get down. The newest tracks. Let's go. New music. And the next big thing. Always on the new music first. Your first place to hear it all. Because you don't like it, love, I want to play it twice. Playing now. I heart new music. Your digital station for brand new drops, fresh vines, and tomorrow's bangers.

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It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almemata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King, Sr., and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die.

In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What do you do in the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you can hear me, is where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks, and we go deeper than the polished story. We talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope.

We get honest about the big stuff, identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore, loss that changes you, purpose when success isn't enough, peace when your mind won't slow down, fake when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figuring it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the I-Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Bowen-Yen.

And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, and the lead-up to the Milan Cortina-2026 winner Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Bob, hi, hi, Matt. Hey, Elmo. Hey, Mad. Hey, Bowen.

Hi, Cookie. Hi. Now, the Winter Olympic Games are underway, and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to two guys, five rings on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello. Hey, quiet. I'm trying to do an intro. Hi, honey. No, mom, quiet.

Everyone be... Hi. Everyone be quiet. I'm trying to do an intro. Okay, I'm sorry. What I was going to say before anyone's... spoke was that we have John Edward here who was a world-renowned medium and he was we're lucky enough to be grace in his presence.

Kate, here's what I was going to say. Kate couldn't be here because she's working. And then I was going to say, but we have another incredible human being here who happened to give birth to myself. Her name is Goldie Hawn, better known as my mother, who is here as well. Proud to be. Right. She's also my mother and gave her.

Yeah. But in this scenario, you weren't here yet. Oh, right. Remember that. When did you ever stick to a script is what I want to know? Never. I stick to ideas and then the ideas are left and right. I'm feeling the revelry.

I'm feeling it. You're feeling the rivalry. I'm feeling it. Yes. But, you know, look, we've grown up with the psychics and mediums mom has been extremely involved in this. Then, of course, myself and my sister are as well. I've consulted oracles of, you know, should I do this job or not.

Yeah, right. I'm like, Mom, call somebody. I don't know if I should do this gig or not. You know, mom's like, okay, hold on, speed dial, speed dial, speed dial, speed dial. So I wanted to bring Mommy in, too, to have this experience. I know I'm so excited. Yeah, this is. Of John for a long, long time.

I mean, really, really happy to meet you, John. And I'm excited and all the amazing work that you have done over these years. and literally, you know, we're brought in with a gift and how you've used it as extraordinary. So you've helped a lot of people. And I know that when you were born and you were a little boy and you were having all of these visions and things, I mean, looking at it as a kind of a game for you, you know, a little did you know at that time the impression that you're going to have on so many people. So anyway, it's a pleasure.

Oh, thank you. Yeah. Let's start there. Where did you grow up? I grew up on Long Island. A small town called Glencove. My dad, Irish, American, New York City police officer, career military guy. Wow.

Mom, very Italian, one of 11. My grandmother was very into this subject matter, so therefore her children were open to the subject matter. My dad was not. So there was a polar opposite of belief. And my dad's rule was make sure my son is never around any of that BS. And my mom made sure that I was kept away from it. They wound up divorcing.

We moved into my grandmother's house, which I always jokingly refer to as the paranormal hub of activity. But I had adopted my dad's philosophy that this wasn't real. So I used to make fun of all the people that came to my grandmother's house to do readings. Until I met one woman who read for me and she was the woman who put me on my path. And I was 15. And she told me that I would change the way millions of people looked at her subject matter. And I want to emphasize again, I was 15. And she sounded like she was bad shit crazy.

And I was like, okay, this woman is delusional. But everything she told me happened. And she told me things that there's no way possible she could have, like I would have had to tell her these things. And then she would have had to know the people that I was connected to. And then she gave me scenarios and outcomes that were not logical. And then they happened. And that got my attention.

And I say very openly that I didn't go, oh my God, she told me that I was psychic. like, I'm going to go do readings. I actually felt violated. I felt like this woman walked around my life. I didn't like it. And I wanted to know, well, if people can do this. Like, if this, like, it was real, how do I stop, how do I stop other people from like doing like, what if people can just like do that?

And that sent me to the public library where I read every book in 1985 that was on the shelf at that time was under the occult section. And at that moment, I was like, well, this is not psychic. This is common sense. Like, we all have these moments of like seeing. your dead grandfather. And I would ask people like at school, haven't you ever seen a dead grandfather? And the responses were normally, no. Like you've never ever just hypothetically got a glimpse of somebody in your family that was dead. And they were like, can't say that I had. So I kind of realized

that, okay, so maybe some of my earlier experiences had to be refrained. And that became a journey of like analyzing what I experienced, what I see here and feel. how do I perceive things? And then I just dove head first. And within a year, I was doing ratings. At 16? Yeah. What happens when you're seeing things?

Right. And you don't know why. And it feels so real. And then you wake up the next morning and you feel like you've been blessed. What is that? That's a visit. What? That's a visit.

It's a visit. That's a visit. That's a difference. There's a difference between a visit and a dream. Dreams fade and dreams are this like amalgamation of what like kind of comes together in our unconscious mind with life and fears and thoughts. But a visit is where they're coming through directly to you. And they're going to let you know that it's them.

And it's usually positive and very vivid. They sometimes look vibrant or young. And there could be little nuggets of information about your future to validate that it was really them. But when you wake up, you won't forget it. You could have had it 50 years ago. Exactly. And you're going to remember it like it was five minutes ago. Right.

Because it was an encounter. It was a real meeting. My other bigger question is that I'm filled with so much love when I'm talking. talking to someone on the other side from a facilitator like that. What are they feeling? Do they have emotions? Where are these entities? What do they feel like?

Because when daddy says to me, you know, make sure you, you know, put away the butter, you know, that was something you always told me. No one knows that, but what did daddy feel? You know, when my mom came to me and said things to me, about the laughs we had and so forthers in the car. My point is, I would like to know that they're in some form that is real. So when you're doing this and you see the people, you hear them, they're speaking to you, you're sharing.

What do you think they're feeling? I guess the idea is consciousness. Like what is consciousness? When we die, does our consciousness die? So I think that they're more real than we are. I think the vibration and the frequency that they operate on is a more real dimension of the essence of who we truly are. And that here, in the physical form, we're lowering our vibration and we're now playing a role, right? You guys are amazing actors and you've been in so many different things.

But at the core, you're you. But you played roles. You're not the roles you played. However, each role you played contributes to who you are in your body. work. So if our soul is the, you know, the actor and the lifetimes that we've been in are the roles, we're in amalgamation of all of that. And then that tapestry, we've all been a part of. You have been probably in multiple lives and multiple incarnations. And now that just reinforces what your relationship dynamic is. And that's love, right? The pure essence of who they feel like

is coming from a place of love. And that's what they want to convey. So I always want people to know that they're okay. We're not. They're doing all right and they're still with us. And when they come through, they're going to come through with like regular, everyday trivial mundane things, things that are not groundbreaking or earth-shattering, but stuff to say, hey, I know that you did that. And by the way, I was with you when you did that. Exactly.

I mean, I don't want to go into stuff in my life, but truly it's what it is. But I wanted to say and have, thank you so much for being here. I miss you so much and so forth, but these are very human sort of longings and emotion. They don't have that. Now, that's a really, that's what I wanted to get. That is really important. Many people will say, well, do they miss me? And I have to be honest to be like, not really.

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