Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - It's the Best of Sibling Revelry! (part 2)

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

Let’s keep the revelry going with even more unforgettable Sibling Revelry moments! Hear what happens when Oliver confronts his teenage crushes, Kate uncovers Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter wardrobe secrets, and relive the shocking dating rules of one of the “Love Thy Nader” sisters.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. My name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth.

Sibling revelry. That's good. Part two of the best of sibling revelry. We're going to talk about this next next guest who's in the waiting room right now. Her name is Alicia Silverstone. And I had such a massive crush on her during Clueless. Hello. Oh, there she is. Where are you right now? I'm in Colorado. My boys just left today. So now I get a little time with just Aaron to hang, but I think I'm too attached to my kids. Well, duh. No, I know, but I don't know if it's unhealthy. It's probably not

unhealthy, but I don't know. I just love them being around. Yeah, of course. You know? So you got into the game because you love being an actor, fame, money, all that was never really in your purview. But once sort of that hits, once you start to get recognized like a ton and you become famous, was that something you railed against or is it just part of what you needed to accept? I think I railed against it for a long time. Yeah. I have very much you know, I think when you, there's no school for how, like, there's no preparation for this. And if you don't have anyone around you who's been through this with someone else, how are you, you know, some actors have management and agents who have had many people before them, right?

And so they can help them, I think, hopefully with this is how this goes and, oh yeah, maybe do this. And, you know, but if you don't have anyone in your world who's ever dealt with anything like this before and you don't know what you're doing, it is incredibly overwhelming. And I was not prepared in any way, should perform for any of it. So I really, I bailed and I went really deep into my activism. You know, that made sense to me. And, you know, went to Africa to help elephants and went to the Amazon River to help the rainforest with Woody. and, you know, was going on these trips of sort of discovery and living and trying to do good. And yeah.

And then at one point I realized because I had gotten so deep into it, you know, I was writing books. I wrote The Kind Diet. I wrote The Kind Mama. And I had started a website, The Kind Life, and I was so involved with that. And then I think one day it occurred to me like, I really love acting and why can't I do both? and the thing is you have to kind of start all over because you shut all these doors

Right You know, that never occurred to me When I went, fuck you, I'm out Yeah It didn't occur to me that they wouldn't be right there waiting When I came back Yeah I just am obsessed with my son

I know For best I'm being with him And we're watching stranger things right now And David Harbour and I are good pals Because we worked together on a play A long time ago And anyway

So I give him the play by play play as I'm watching it. I'm like happening and oh, whatever. But, but bear like, you know, he's, well, I probably shouldn't talk about bear because he won't, you know, but anyway, get some snuggles. Yeah, yeah. I don't want them to be taken away by him hearing this. No, no, no.

I still, you know, he's just, you know, he's my favorite. And I have a good life and I'm so lucky. Like, we're so lucky that we're faith and that we're healthy and that we're healthy and that we have great food to eat, and I feel like we are not surviving. We are thriving. Yeah, great. Yeah. This next segment with his next guest, who I worked with on a Netflix show called A Merry Little X-Mess, but we hit it off tremendously immediately because she has absolutely no filter, as do I, as I don't, as do I not, whatever the correct English is. So,

So please welcome into the show, onto the show, Jamila Jamil. Let me ask you a question. Do you think controversy follows you or do you bring in controversy? I think I hunt it out. Do you hunt it out? I hunt it down, rather. I seek it out and then I hunt it down. I think it's both.

I think I don't want to be a controversial person. In fact, I don't really understand why I am deemed so controversial, why the media try to frame me is so controversial. But I am aware when I am poking the hornets nest, I'm aware that it's a touchy subject, and that doesn't deter me. So I think I'm just unafraid of controversy rather than literally courting it. But people make it seem like asking for sort of equality is a really crazy thing to do. But why do you think you're such a target day?

Well, I know, because I look, we're friends now. I follow you. I see all the shit that you sort of, you know, stir up. And then I see, you know, you posting things and this and that and, you know, sort of pleading your case, essentially, you're saying, well, here's the truth. Here's the reality of all of this. But why do you think you're a target? Because I threaten massive institutions and I think I threaten systems.

And because I'm a decent communicator, I sometimes have been proven to inspire other people to also use their voices. and that can be very dangerous when it comes to disrupting or dismantling power. And so they want to make an example of those of us who stand up and speak loudly so that other people won't want to do it. So if they, you know, humiliate you or lie about you or take things away from you, then other people will be deterred from following in your path. And so I think I just fly a little too close to the sun. But that's okay because, you know, I never planned on this career.

career anyway. So it's inevitable. It's going to, you know, all go down in flames. But how did activism, first of all, do you consider yourself an activist? No. No. Okay. That's what I thought. I knew that, but I'm for the audience, right? No, we use that word. We give that word out too. Exactly. Define, define potentially what you feel that you are and then what activism is or what an activist is. Why is that word so it's kind of diluted now? Well, because it's trendy. It became trendy. after the 192 movement.

And anyone who said anything that went against the current was suddenly named an activist and deemed an activist. And a lot of people in our industry believed it. And I think to be called an activist, you have to be an actual organizer who's taking actual risks,

who's on the ground without the privilege and protection to know it's fundamentally going to be okay if you take this stance or you make this stand. And so I would call myself and the rest of us privileged fools at advocates. You know, you can advocate for a cause. You can signal a cause to other people and highlight other great voices. But to deem myself an activist when I'm posting from my movie trailer is foul business.

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you listen to your podcast. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final Rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strong. strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search for it. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of he said she said,

and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brooks and Sarah Jane, Nader, the Nader. Two of the four Nader sisters are waiting in the waiting room. They've got a new show coming out. Love Thy Nader. Very excited to talk to them. I have a feeling it's going to go well off the rails, maybe a little unhinged.

I think we're going to get a real idea of who these girls are. So let's bring them in. How are you guys? We're good. How are you? I'm good. Where are you? You in L.A.?

We're in L.A. L.A. Beverly Hillbilly. that's that. Where are you originally from? We're from Louisiana. Baton Rouge. Baton Rouge.

Yeah. Okay. Just give me a sense of the childhood, story growing up. Yeah. You know, how you got to where you got to. Oh my God. How we went from Baton Rouge to love thy nader.

I mean, it was a journey. It was. Basically, I mean, the short version is, all my sisters copy me. You know, you're a sibling. You get it. And I moved to New York, dropped out of college to pursue modeling, and they just saw how much fun I was having. And each girl, one by one, soon followed.

And then we just fell in love with New York and, you know, planted our roots there. And now we just can't get enough of it. And growing up in a conservative family, I mean, obviously you didn't adhere to much of those values? Or do you? Did you? How did that work out for you? and how did your parents sort of deal with three girls or four girls who were just kind of like, all right, cool, we love you, but maybe this isn't how we want to go.

Yeah. Yeah. I think, like, I growing up was, like, kind of conformous. Like, I didn't really speak out about things that I didn't believe in or, like, wanted to do. And then moving to New York really, like, freed me. I think Brooks was always a wild child rule breaker. Always cried. I never had privileges.

She was, like, just always pushing the envelope and challenging. my parents, I think. And they were also the hardest on her because she's the oldest, as you probably. But yeah, I think it was different for each of us. But once we moved to New York, it was really like free for all. Like Brooks wasn't allowed to wear bikinis for a whole life and then moved to New York and got on Sports Illustrated and it's like on the cover. And like, but the thing that annoyed me about Towards Illustrated was I was like, I'm going to

show my parents like, I'm going to wear a two-piece bikini, whatever. And then my sports all straight cover, I was in a one piece. And I was like, come on. I want me to show my parents that I did like, whatever. And my mom goes, still following our rules. a one piece. Oh my God. Back to you.

That is funny. But did your parents, did your parents, because, you know, I have friends who grew up in very sort of Christian households who had real rebellion and it didn't go so well. You know what I mean? Because the values that their parents were trying to instill upon them were so ingrained that they had no room to let their children sort of breathe and experience their own shit. But your parents understanding like, hey, this is what we, these are our values, this is what we grew up on. We tried to instill this into our children.

But they are who they are. They're individuals and we're going to love them no matter what, you know, or was there some contention where it's like, no, you need to be this. I think that they've conformed as we've like entered this new era of being in the industry and whatever because they do just want us to be happy. But I think when we were growing up, especially for me because I was the oldest, you know how it is. You get in front of all the rules and things. And then the youngest does whatever the fuck they want. So for me, it was like a very much so like, we will beat you into submission to like follow our fucking rules. And like you're not going to not follow them.

You know what I mean? Like I would like work my ass off and then, you know, make the dance team. And like I was so thrilled about that. And then there's one party night on dance team where you go T peeing, you know, the football player's house. I was so excited about that. I worked my ass off to be on the game team. And I was one minute late to the breakfast table. at 7 a.m. And they go, nope, you're not doing rolling night. And like, parents were calling my

my parents and being like, she worked so hard. She didn't make it the first year. She was devastated. Sophomore year, she made it. And this is the one night and you guys are really going to take it from her. And they're like, that's our rule. Sorry. And, you know, they found out I had sex. My door was broken down. You know, I didn't have a door. Yeah. I was like, I think they were like so strict when we were growing up because they just wanted us to like do exactly what they said. And then I feel like, I think they're so young. Like they were raising us when they were like, they were like, like 20. The guys we date are their age. Let me put that way. They're 50. I'm like, us having kids.

Right. And I'm like, dad's like, don't let him be older than me. I'm like, they're going to be. That's the rule. I'm like, you're too young for that to be the rule. But I think like they are growing up with us. So like as we've moved to New York and like experience this whole new life, they are sort of like experiencing life for the first time too because they didn't have their 20s. They were like and they also didn't travel trying to feed us. Oh, that's, that's an interesting take actually. I mean, they are sort of living vicariously through you guys. Exactly. Yeah. And they're like, even when they come here to L.A., we have this awesome house we've rented. Like, it's so cute to see there's this TikTok turn that's like, don't forget it's

your parents' first time living too. And he's just videoing every little thing, all the love by Nader billboards. Like, he hasn't, you know, they haven't traveled. Like, they left the country for the first time with us, like, you know, several years ago. So they're experiencing life for the first time. And it's fun to see them like get to live life with us and have an appreciation for it because they didn't grow up doing any of that. It's interesting too because it probably, I don't know if they've talked to you about it or not, but it's shifted their perspective. How could it not?

Meaning we laid down all these rules for our girls. We had these expectations for who they were supposed to be based on who we were. That's not how it works. You know what I'm saying? I have three kids, you know? Oh, you do? Yeah. So of course you're trying to be the best father.

You're trying to instill what you want to instill in them. But I was fucking wild. You know, I was nutty. I'm almost 50. I still am. But, you know, my kids, when they start to do these things and experiment, I've experienced them. So it would be hypocritical for me to, you know, to get on them. Now, I can still wisdom and say, look, I went through this.

So here, watch out for these pitfalls. But for your parents, it's interesting because they have to have shifted and changed after sort of being able to experience you guys and your successes and see how great you are. Yeah. Right. Like they didn't grow up like to your point of you saying like you did all the wild crazy things partying. So now you're like get it with your kids and how to my parents did not like alcohol was not in our household growing up. Not drink. They didn't smoke. They didn't have alcohol at their wedding. They had a huge. They met in ceremony. Like they started drinking like when we started literally at like 40. You know at 40 years old for them. I like they'll like now like my dad will get like wasted off of like two years. It's like adorable. He's like a college kid and he also looks like one. So we go out. People are like,

Rooks, like, who's this guy? And I'm like, my fucking dad. Okay. All like backwards to go out with that. Like you.

How old are your parents? One. Are you fucking kidding me? That's like, when I'm with my dad on like camera and stuff, like people, like people, it looks like we're dating.

Actually, I can throw them into the pod. I can tell them a couple of years. We, our parents are all here. Our whole family's here. Dad. Dad.

Oh, dad. I'm going to meet the star of it. I got to meet dad. All right. Come meet up. He has an epic podcast. How you doing, man? Hey, Dad. How are you, man? I'm great. How are you, man? Look at you. Look at this handsome, handsome man. Yeah, I appreciate. I like this guy already. A handsome man. Well, it's crazy. I mean, we were talking to your girls. You were a young man when you had these girls. You and I are basically the same age. I have three kids, but I have 17, 15, and 12. Oh, my goodness. But you're a young dad, too. I was 30. I was 29.

That's young. Yeah. Yeah. That is young. What are your boy, girl? What do you have? I have two boys and a little girl. Okay.

Awesome, man. Wilder, Bodie, and Rio. I love those names. Yeah. Why have you got the girl in, man? The girl is the big. We, we, yeah, it was a pursuit. I'll tell you that.

It was crazy. We had the two boys. We decided to go for the third girl, the third kid hoping it was a girl, and we got lucky. I love that. I love that. He got lucky. Only girls.

Yeah, he got fucked. A man. A man. A man, man without daughters lives half a life. Yeah. You're going to have a full life. Let me ask you a question, though.

Were you trying to have a boy? You know, once we had a couple of girls and then we love the idea of them being close in age and having sisters with each other. And so by the time this little thing came along, we were thrilled that it was another girl. So I could not be happier, absolutely. They had boy. It makes it simpler, too. It makes it better.

boy to clutter up, you know, it was just... No, I know, I know. You had boy names already picked out. He did. Yeah, we probably did. My name is a boy name. It was like Jonah or something. Brooks could have gone either way. That's right. Because they actually never found out the gender with all four of us. They just had them.

Right. Oh, yeah. I did that. We did that as well. Yeah. It's the right. It's the last great secret. It's the last great secret. I think that's amazing. You guys are going to be best friends. No, we should. Everyone should be surprised. I mean, how often do you get to be surprised with something like that. Never. Never. Sweet that you didn't find out. I love that. Yeah. No. So how do you, how are you, how did you deal with your girls sort of not bucking

who you guys are necessarily your sort of conservative nature, but being themselves, letting them sort of expand and be who they are? I mean, was that tough for you? Well, I mean, certain times are tough whenever they make decisions that, you know, then are painful or they have consequences or whatever you hate to see your kid have to deal with that. But the goal was always independence. We want them to be independent, make their own decisions, live their own life. And family is the hill we die on. It doesn't matter what choices you make, it all comes down to the family.

We love our family, our girls, no matter what. And that'll always be the case. So I when I got divorced? Yeah, that was the worst for them. He was so close to my ex-husband. And he was like, I have to say goodbye. I'm being a billion hours. I like him.

I still like him. I wish him the best. But you guys were on a different path and that's fine. So that was that was the way. He did roll with the punches, Oliver. I told Oliver that I got the brunt of it. Oliver's also the eldest sibling. I am.

The punishment and like the just you guys really being hard on me because I was. Okay. We were hardest on Brooks. Well, you know, you're a young parent and you're learning how to be a parent. So you're going to err on the side of strict and, you know, hey, you got a to toe. By the time this one came along and was a lesbian and everything, we were barely, barely aware that she was in the house.

Damn. She got away with so much. She also was very independent early on and very responsible. At least we thought she was responsible most of the time. Until when? He's very responsible. Of course. Well, as a parent, it's hard because you never want your children to be in pain or hurting in any way.

And you want to do everything that you can to sort of wrap your arms around them and take it away. At the same time, they need to go through what they need to go through. Yeah. To callous, to build character, to know that they can get through that shit, you know. Exactly. Absolutely true. No other way to learn those lessons and mature. Yeah.

No, I know. Parenting lesson for Oliver and Roe. It's like, I love this. I love this. And how is it being on camera? He was a star. You loved it. It was fun.

Yeah, it was a little awkward, you know, reality TV. It's a little awkward because you're there, you're having dinner, whatever. You don't want it to be boring. And so, you know, are you boring, dad? No, I'm saying me. I'm saying me. And so. God, it was hilarious.

He has so many one minors. And also, by the way, I'm not fully prepared, but I've started to get them in LA, the past news we've been out all the Delph commentary, which I told you what that means. Yep. But he did, oh, there he goes. Okay, bye. I obviously not say that. That's like a thing that people are saying about you and it's gross.

It's disgusting. Well, he is a dill. Are you kidding me? Look at him. Okay, God. I'm up here. He's a, that's a handsome man right there. It's adorable.

Sir Jane did say the other day, sorry, Dad. You might want to leave this one. But we do have taste, her, our taste is around 50s. We're the only single sisters. And we like old. And sometimes we like a personality more than a look on a guy. And then goes, when we were in a visa, she goes, we need a new rule. We can't fuck anyone that's uglier than dad.

I was like, there's no one left. Like, how are we going to do that? That's not possible. It's not possible. No, he looks like Superman. You know, his face, he's got the, he's got the wave. You know, he's insane. We need to get him a hair deal.

His hair is like. He's got amazing hair. I'm excited to talk to these youngens. Yeah, we don't want to leave them waiting. Mm-hmm. We don't leave them waiting. Today, I have to say, their mom, I feel like was like your first real crush. Yeah, yeah.

Well, it was, first of all, Uptown Girl, the video, and then you've got, you know, vacation in the red Ferrari and at the pool, which is unforgettable. I mean, for everyone in the 80s, that was like one of the great moments of all. time. Yes. Yeah. Christy Brinkley was it. Yeah. I mean, it's like she's still it.

She's so hot. Oh, she's so hot. It's insane. Her energy. Yeah. Everything. I look at her. Oh, my stylist used to style her sometimes when she was in New York and said she was just like the greatest, most inspiring woman because she's just so filled energy and happy.

She seems very joyful. I know. Well, let's see if it rubbed off on any of these kids. Yeah. Yeah. So we got Alexa Ray Joel and Jack Brinkley Cook. Yep, JBC is what I like to call him. Do you want to let him in, Ollie?

Yeah, yeah. Let's let him in. Okay. Hi. Hi. What's going on, guys? Hey, guys. Where are you right now?

Are you East Coast? We're East Coast. Yeah. We're actually at our family house. Oh, nice. In Sag Harbor. Oh, I love it. I'm jealous.

Well, how was that growing up, honestly, you guys? A little big bro because he's so much. Yeah. My little big bro. You know, because of nine years is a pretty good difference. Like, how did that work? How did you guys get close? You know, what was it like growing up with someone who was like your little man,

essentially? Yeah. You know, we got close later in life, I think, because it's, he was more with Sailor when you guys were like really little because that's a huge age difference than I was an angsty teen. So I was sort of very much introverted. And then just I would say the last what 15 years. Well so in adult in our adulthood when when I was 10 years old she was 19 years old and already moved out of the house. And so yeah. Just the age difference hits then. Yeah. And going back to being in the Hamptons, what was especially cool was when I got to 15, 16, 17 years old and

the Hamptons weekends weren't cutting it anymore. I used to go and stay with Alexa in the city. And my mom was very strict and she, you know, she gave me a strict 12 a.m. curfew when all my other friends had like a 1 a.m. curfew or 2 a.m. curfew. And Alexa was amazing because I would stay with her. And I think that she sometimes used a little bit of discretion where when I I would, you know, come home 30 minutes late. She wouldn't get me in trouble. But she was strict enough for the few times when it was like three in the morning or 3.30 in the morning the next day, I was probably in trouble.

You ratted out your little brother? Well, you know, I'm a real homekeeper. So with my apartment, I'm a little bit of an OCD like neat freak. So if things aren't just the way I want them, there's a little bit of a problem. She's a, she's a hyper neat freak. She, she, everything she does is meticulous. So, yeah. See the flowers in the bat.

I like to keep things. What's your sign? Do you eat things pretty? Does you get like, I get stressed if there's clutter around. Yeah, I don't like clutter. Hate it. Alexa, let's start with with you. So you, she grew up, you were eight years old when your parents divorced.

Dad's Billy Joel. Mom's Christy Bray. We've got to get into the parents because like I was saying to Oliver before you guys got on that that was clearly Oliver. like first, like one of his big crushes was your mom. Oh, of course. Yeah. I mean, like the hottest. Like the Ferrari, you know, vacation situation was like, your mom was just everything.

Yeah. Iconic. The ultimate. But you came out of like the, like they were just such a couple, you know. And when when they broke up, would, do you like, do you remember? remember it? Of course. Yeah. I was nine. I was nine years old when they divorced. And yeah, I mean, you know, they were my world. And we were the three musketeers. So we were always together singing. Mom would, you know, bring me out on the road. And we were a very just sort of like a

musical family, always singing together, always putting on a show. And so, yeah, it was a shock. to me, but you know, you should, you should probably watch my father's documentary. Can't wait. Because it really delves into all of that and the pressures that my father was going through at the time he had to go back on the road when he just wanted to stay home with me and mom because his manager at the time ripped him off and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars. And so he had to get back on the road and make that up.

And that was a part of, you know, that was. was a part of, maybe it was more, it might have been millions actually, now I'm recounting. I think it was millions. I think it was. So that was a big strain. I sometimes wonder, you know, there's a, there's a pros and cons to everything because I sometimes wonder, well, if the manager hadn't come into the picture and he didn't have to get back on the road, maybe they would have stayed together.

But then I wouldn't have had my wonderful little. Right. You know, I mean, you know, life is funny. How did mom manage? the family, like the unit. So you've got three dads. I know, Alexi, you're a little bit older, but with you and Saylor, especially, Jack,

like, how did she manage the unit? And did it really feel like you guys were one unit? Or was there a lot of spreading out based on where the dads were? I mean, my experience is that we always felt like one unit. I think that probably when, And my mom got her last divorce, I think it brought us all closer together naturally. It really did.

And that was the moment where we like really unified. But we unified around my mother too because she was going through it. And so it gave us a real sense of solidarity. And, you know, I mean, there's nothing like when you can relate to going through a divorce. we both experienced that and then it did. It kind of bonded us closer together. And now we all couldn't be closer. I mean, you know, Jack doesn't go a day without speaking to my mom.

I don't go a day without speaking. And she's the best mom in the sense that she worries. She wants to make sure everybody's okay. If she doesn't hear, you know, from us for too long, she's like, just wanted to make sure you're okay. You know, so we're tight-knit. Just like you guys. Like, you can see it and you're a little, I follow Kate on Instagram.

And I'm such a fan, by the way. I just love your face. And it does, it's, you can feel that genuine closeness. It's so great. I can, I can see that with Christy on, you know, with you guys. She's a little bit of a warrior and in a good way. I drove out from the city to the Hamptons last night. It's a two-hour drive.

It's all the time. And probably every 10 to 12 minutes, my phone would ring. and it was my mom, you know, checking in, making sure that the job was safely. That you hadn't crashed. Yeah, she called me 10 minutes ago. I'm 10 minutes further up the road. We're good. Exactly.

That is funny. Oh, it sounds like me. It sounds like Kate. I was about to say that. Just wants to make sure everybody's okay. She's such a mama bear. She's also super conscious of the environment, health. She's always trying to make us aware of, okay, this is good for you.

This is not good for you. she's just she's that real nurturing mama bear type all right everybody all of our sibling revelry listeners i am solo today i am sons olivier hudson which i'm kind of happy about even though i always love having him around um sometimes it's nice i have a little break and uh and i get to interview like an absolute icon because she gave birth to the biggest icon out there right now. I get to interview Tina Knowles and I'm very excited because I just want to know everything about her and how she raised those two insanely powerful and beautiful daughters, Beyonce and Solange. Oh, I haven't seen you in a long time.

I know. It has been a long time. I was thinking about the first time I met you. And you might not even remember, but we were at J's. I think it was like his 35th birthday. It was his 40th. It was his 40th? I think it was his 40th. Okay.

That was a fun party. It was a really fun party. That was, you know, a carter club or something. Yeah, we had so much fun. And you were talking about her mom. You were saying that kind of reminded you of your mom because she was fun. Yeah. Well, I also remember I was,

contemplating the relationship I was in at the time. And I was sitting off on this, on, like, sort of away from the house a little bit on the beach. And I, I remember I looked out to my right and I saw this like beautiful goddess just walking down the beach. And she walked up and it was your daughter. And Beyonce just sat. We sat and we had one of the great conversations. My regret she told me. Yeah. It was just one of those things I'll never, I'll never forget because she was so, she was very helpful at that time for me. But I'm excited to talk to you because you've had such an interesting, amazing life and gave birth to such powerful women. What do you think has been the most sort of powerful foundation of your life?

Probably just my upbringing. You know, with my mom, I had a super. close relationship with my mother. My mother was 44 when she had me, which back then was, you know, I was born in 1954. So she was, you know, an older mom. And I was pretty much a life because, you know, our other kids were older. And we had this really, really close relationship. And then when I became a teenager, it was very strange, my relationship with my mom,

up until probably around 18. We went through kind of a rough patch. Really? Yeah, but if I had to say what was my foundation, it absolutely was my family. And just growing up really poor in the South with a lot of racism, and it just taught me to be a fighter really early on. It becomes very clear within like five minutes of talking to you where your girls get their strength. You are an incredibly strong woman. let's talk about your fashion and your love for it and like what you think defines personal style.

I kind of have this, I feel very discouraged by the fashion world because I find that trends are becoming what's fashionable versus people actually creating. Their own style. Their own style. It's a bit, it used to be so different. like in the late 90s and when Beyonce and I were both coming up at the same that time. Yes. We didn't have like stylists and like we were creating our own vibe. And that doesn't really exist as much anymore.

I wonder how you feel about this. Well, you know, my nephew, the one that Beyonce sings about Uncle Johnny made my dress. I don't know if you heard that that cheat. stand spandex it looks a mess it's a whole thing with that but he was my nephew and he was gay and he was my very

best friend growing up and so he was he could sew and design and create the most amazing clothes so when the girls started and the record company wouldn't give me money to buy them

designer clothes they might give me $1,500 for four girls I would take it and buy expensive fabric and copy something or or just design it from scratch and make these customs. What was your, I have two, now two questions because the first part of that was I'd love to know who your, when you were younger, who your style icon was. Like, who did you look up to that you were like, oh, my God. Like, I just loved Diana Ross in the Springs.

Yeah. You know, I was, they're, she's like 10 years older than me. So my sister was a huge fan. She had all their music. But, I mean, for me to watch them on TV, the costumes that they wore were were unbelievable. Oh, the best. I wanted to be here because I was, you know, I was in a singing group and I was skinny like her. And I would just do all her moves.

I was obsessed with Diane Rowe. Oh, she was my style icon, which is really interesting because, you know, I was mostly like, costumey stuff. So when I was doing Destiny's Child, that's the criticism that I got all the time. They dog me out as a designer because they would always say, the stuff is too over the top and it's too dramatic and it's too shiny and it's too, too, two, two, two, too, too, too, too, but they were state, you know, they were on stage.

It was awesome. You know, I have to say, it's so funny when I think about, like, you know, who, like, critics. You always want people to like what you do, but then you sometimes you think you're like, wait, who are these faceless people? Like what did they do that made them the person that can actually tell, you know, it's like you can't listen to any of it. And they probably would say we were real fashion people and she was not, you know, because I'm not formally trained. So I was real insecure about that for a long time and they used to dog me out. But you know, it's funny because when I look back on some of that stuff, I'm like, I was doing pretty good. Yes.

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This season, an epic battle of He Said She Said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Excellent. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I wonder what your crowning moment was with Destiny's Child. What was like said one of their looks that you were the most proud of? Two things stand out. One thing is when things started changing for me as far as really being more secure, myself as a designer, was the Folb Fashion Awards.

They used to have this Fashion Award. I don't know if you remember that. We went to this bold fashion award, and of course I made these outfits for them. And when we got there, they had this whole tribute to Destiny's Child and how they had affected the fashion world. And I was like, oh, my God, you know. And I remember them getting an award for their costumes, and they remade their costumes, and they had a whole, like, a little fashion moment.

Oh, my God. And I was, like, so shocked. And they brought me on stage. And Kelly says, at that speech, she's like, and I'm getting choked up about it because, you know, at that time, I was really getting dogged out. And she brought me on, they brought me on stage, and she said, all of these costumes. that y'all are clapping for, this lady did. And, you know, it kind of changed things

because people started respecting me a little more. And you worked on this clothes still? Well, what I do now is, like, the tour that they just went on, I hire the stylist. I keep the budgets, which is really hard. Because she has probably, Beyonce alone, has maybe 300 costumes for the tour. No, she changes every night, like three,

for things and a lot of them don't make it. And so the stylist, the last tour, I hired four people, a team of four people, four styling. And that's not even including the dancer, stylists, then accessory stylists and some big, big operation, because it's 500 people on that tour. And that's how big the tour. Wow. And she changes so much.

And then you have like 27 dancers. and then you have a band that's like 12 people and she wants them to change. And so that's a big operation. So I kind of just head up that whole thing of her keeping the budgets. Trouble she. Every single day.

So it's a lot. It's a lot of work. People don't understand for her to change three and four times a night with costumes for that many people is such a big undertaking. and I think it's like 40 regular people in wardrobe that travel to every city. Then we hire about 20 more people. So that's a lot to keep together.

How do you manage being mom, the dynamic of mom and daughter when you're together a lot of the time? Well, it's, you know, it's her show. It's her stuff. She runs the show. And I'm just like everybody else in terms of being, you know, there to support her. But sometimes, you know, we go at it because we are. mother and daughter. Yeah.

And we have differences and opinions or whatever, but, you know, I have sense enough to know that that's her stuff. Like, she grew up here and all the time. This is my shit. And so that's her favorite thing is this is my shit at the end of the day. So, you know, concede to that also. But we get along really, really, really well. Yeah.

Or mother and daughter, we get along pretty. good because I know them front back, you know, and not be a mom and just Yeah, I think that's interesting thing. Like my mom has been pretty good with that as well. Like she doesn't

step in certain places. I think sometimes what my mom does do, which is, which I love, is she'll check in with me if she can feel that I'm overwhelmed or Yeah. And she's

And she'll check in and be like, are you, I'm feeling that you might be over, are you okay, honey? Yeah. Like, do you want to talk about anything? Right. And that means a difference. Lord. Just to have somebody that you can just be completely 100% vulnerable with and not have to be protected, you know? I would think that for both of your girls, for you to sort of even just like be behind the scenes doing the thing, but that you're there is probably incredibly.

Yeah, and I stay with the family the whole time so that the kids have their grandmother and I can give her a break and I just try to support it any way I can. You know, Salon's very different because Salon won't have me on tour. She never had. I used to dress her, but she would take the clothes and say, Mom, I don't need you crowd me. You know, I need my space. So they're very different in that way. No matter what, I know we grow up and there's things of like, you do it for yourself to not always. But like, there's nothing like making your parents proud.

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