Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Jessica and Josh Alba

Episode Date: June 25, 2021

Jessica and Josh Alba sit down with Kate and Oliver this week on Sibling Revelry. They have a very candid conversation about relationships, religion, health scares, their sibling bond, and much more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickEdited by Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Hairstory (www.hairstory.com PROMO CODE: Sibling) Wondery, Faherty (www.fahertybrand.com/sibling) Sakara (www.sakara.com/sibling) Coors Light (get.coorslight.com),See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling Revee. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Revely.

That's good. So the next guest you're about to hear, I actually had a major crush on for a long time. Descaba. And her amazing brother. by the way. Oh my God, Josh. Josh, what a great man he is.

I mean. So amazing. So sweet. Yeah. So sweet and gentle and, you know. He was great. But it was fun for me. I mean, look, I've known Jess a long time.

She's married to my friend Cash that I went to high school with. We were in the same grade. And so I've known them a long time, but I've never gotten to know Josh like that. No, I know. Neither have I. You know? And he's, you know, he's going through some shit, too, that you're going to hear. Not going to spoil it.

But, you know, he's had some moments. And they had a moment on the show. I know. They had a moment. They did. They had a moment. She actually literally just wrote me. Hold on.

Did she? Yeah, it was towards the end. And they got into some religious conversation. And it, uh, there's little fireworks. And it was, it was exciting. I actually was enjoying it thoroughly. But it was good. It was so positive and amazing.

Yes. But real. I mean, that's what I love about when you bring two siblings on, you know, who can really talk to each other and get real with each other and are unafraid to say what they feel. And that's what happened. And it was awesome. You're going to like it.

You're going to love it. Yeah. You're going to love it. Call me. You're going to love it. Here is Jessica and Josh Alba. Hi, you guys. I'm so excited.

What's going on? This is so fun. You guys are really close in age. You're 13 months apart, which is like... Irish twins. Irish twins. I couldn't imagine having kids this close apart. Like, when I just think of, like, nine months pregnant and, like, an infant and then nine

months pregnant again, like, are you kidding me? Yeah. No. No. I couldn't even I mean look I wait seven years between my kids so it's all you wait seven years and different men it's like there's a whole process that goes on by the way you're probably the most sane my parents were like 19 when my mom was 19 when she had me and 20 when she had my brother wow it's just you guys right yeah yeah our mom got cancer so she couldn't have any kids at like 22 what a blessing then I guess right I mean it was pop them out and then Boy girl or girl boy, and that is it.

Right after, yeah. Wow. It all happens for a reason. So you guys, where were you born? We were born in Pomona. Oh, no, sorry. He was born in Mississippi. Sorry.

I was born in Blexi, Mississippi. Oh, nice. And she was born in Pimona. Oh, so you got like the cool place to be born. Like for California, for California, like Pimona, you're like, I was born in Pimona, you're like, the fairplex. You're next to the fairplex. Yeah.

So would you say that being so close in. age, I mean, that obviously strengthened your bond, I would think, right? I mean, you're, you, it's almost like who's the older one? I know there is one, but, you know, being that close, you become more of a team, I would think. I would say

early, in the early ages, yes, and then there was a time where, I mean, I just kind of antagonize, I don't know, maybe I just no, I always, I always acted older. Older, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like by, I was, she was like a grown-ass woman when I was like three. Like I was, I was like that kid.

That's usually like it's you, that's usually, like I feel like I've always been the older sister. Even though I've never been older than Oliver. I think that's a very typical thing for girls that we kind of, it's like, I don't know, maybe it's our DNA. We're just like ready to figure things out very young. Yeah. You know, there's a lot we don't like to deal with with boys. We know how to, like, I can see it with Ronnie. Can't you see it with your girls versus the little one?

Hayes literally all he wants to do is destroy and hit balls and run and race. Like, I've never seen anything like this in my life. Really? My mind. In honor, we're not that way. They still are. I mean, it's just he's a maniac. Yeah.

Like, he throws all the cushions off this morning. He threw all the cushions off the couch And is racing and then he dives Just dives off things and knocks his head And everything is jumping head first And stuff like I don't even I can't I don't understand what's going on Well Honor and Wilder my oldest are in the same class Yeah and have you seen Honor

She's like five eight I was to say she's like six feet tall And insane beautiful and insanely smart. And I only know this because I participated in some Zooms early on just watching what was happening. And, you know, Wilder's like literally in his robe, not paying attention to shit. And Honor is like all up on it, raising her hand. No, she was just running the class.

I mean, just talking and answering the questions and knew everything. And I'm like, damn, she's smart. Well, I, I talked to her about, like, engaging in conversation and being respectful. I was like, these teachers don't, you know, do you think they like talking to a bunch of, like, brats that are just being disrespectful and not paying attention? Like, it's annoying. So don't be annoying on her. Like, get your shit together. Like, have your teethbrush.

Like, be ready. Be present. Have your camera on. You know, I'm pretty like. Were you a good student? I know Cash was because so, so just for people that don't know, Cash and I were actually in school together. So Wilder and Honor are in the same grade, right?

Yeah, and you were and Oliver, were you in school with COA? Yeah, so me and Cash was in my class. And then Ollie and COA were in the same grade. So we go way, way, way back. I met Jessica through Cash, right? Isn't that the first time we met? Yeah. And Cash was a very good student.

Right. He, yeah. Well, he went to yell, so he must have been a good student. Coa was a great student too. Yeah. She's smart. She's a great student too. Naturally, it's annoying. I just don't know.

I will never know what that feels like. First of all, why were you born in Biloxi? So, my dad's in the Air Force. So from Pomona, and then he was stationed in Mississippi, and then stationed in Texas after that. So I was there for two. We were there for two years. years and then Texas until about I was not I was nine you were in fourth grade and we came and then we moved back to California and moved into my grandparents they had like five

houses and so we lived in one of them and they like lived with us half the time in one of their houses so your mom and your dad were together yeah they were like each other's first real like boyfriend and girlfriend I guess and then they like got married and are still together. That's the cutest thing on the planet. And they're very, I mean, I've seen some of the posts that you've posted. They seem like they still really love each other, which is. They do, right?

They absolutely do. They're, like no one would put up with them but them. It's like a married with children relationship. You know they love each other, but they fight all the time. They are just at each other. It is the funniest thing. It is funny. People that are around them, it entertains anybody if you're around them.

Do you guys have memories of traveling around and being on the road all the time until you actually settled in? I think the reason why I started acting and it felt so, I think I finally, I felt so comfortable in the circus of entertainment because it just felt, I guess that nomadic life is felt right for me in a way. it felt like home in a way. But then now when I look back, like I would like make every like trailer and hotel room and random apartment or random house rental for whatever amount of months. I would like cover it and drape it in fabrics and I would like change the bedding and I would like make it my own and try to create these little like nests because I think ultimately I really wanted to have a home.

but I only knew that nomadic sort of life. What about you, Josh? I mean, I always wanted. I hated traveling around. So I was all about sports. And every time we had to move meant that I had to move places, had to prove myself again. I had to find new friends.

So, you know, staying in one place was where I wanted to be. Yeah, I mean, I guess I love to travel. And I guess I couldn't wait to leave. And he was kind of the opposite. It's funny because now that I have kids in school, Ryder, I was very nomadic with Ryder. And we would go around a lot and move. I mean, I was all over the place.

But once he turned about 10, I got more settled. And it definitely is helpful for everything when kids have, I think. That's just my. When they feel like safe and there's consistent. Yeah, you're not always moving around. But what does consistency mean? Is it in the home or is it where you are? I mean, if you have consistent love and you have consistent siblings

and then you're taking that show on the road, but, you know, that unit is strong no matter where you are. You know, I think there's something to be said for moving around, learning new things, making new friends. There's resiliency that builds up. It builds character, you know? I mean, I think that's, there's an importance there. I agree.

I agree, and I'm with you in that, like, what doesn't, I like the idea that you force kids out of a comfort zone and push them outside of a box and a safety net and force them to sort of like participate in the world. And I think the earlier you do that, the better people you raise. But at the same time, the other piece of it is if tomorrow doesn't feel like a sure thing, I think that it can be unsettling. I mean, I definitely dealt with a lot of like emotional stuff and like depression and like a lot of ups and downs emotionally just to like find my footing because I felt like I was constantly having to reinvent myself. and create a new narrative of who I am because they didn't have history with anyone. Right. You were, you know.

But the man sitting to your left, you had him. Yeah. Well, also dealing with sort of what you were going through from a medical standpoint as well. I mean, that has got to be trying, not just from a physical, but an emotional place, especially moving around too. That's just added, added baggage, huh?

Your mom got sick when you were, how old? We were little, like, two or three. I mean, it was right after I was born, yeah, one or two. I think she got, I think she might have a surgery, like, almost immediately after. And then what was the recovery like for her? Was she lucky and had a swift recovery, or was it a long process? Well, I think the thing is, it's like they put, back. in the day they put women on like all of these like synthetic hormones.

I mean imagine having like a full hysterectomy like what happens when you are menopausal right and you stop and what happens to your hormones in your body. My mom went through that when she was 22, you know? And so like that's a lot and my parents had never really been independent from their family and their parents. So they were like just trying to figure out. how to cook meals and raise a family and be people in the world and, you know, provide. They both had like two to three jobs each.

And then I had a lot of like medical issues. So my mom couldn't really hold down a consistent job and have a consistent career path because she often had to like be with me in the hospital. So yeah, it was really brutal for them. When you were little and you were having, was the, was the, was, a sort of chronic, you know, you say it was allergies or it was just like all kinds of different things that they couldn't figure out. She had asthma. She had. I had asthma. I had like a kidney issue. My kidneys were being damaged because I had like two, basically what runs from

your kidneys to your bladder. I had two tubes on one side and one on the other and it was and I was born with it and then they said that it went away and then it came back and then I had like cis on when they took my appendix out, my appendix almost burst, my tonsils, I had cysts also on, oh my God. My tonsils out. Yeah, it was just a lot of stuff. Jesus. So it was like one thing after another. And then when I was like, when I started acting at 12, isn't it weird?

Like all of the, all of the medical stuff just went away. It kind of went away. Yeah. It's weird. Wow. What would you, as you're thinking about it? that what would you attribute that to i mean do you believe in some sort of a mind-body connection well after that it was just clumsiness if he's in the hospital

twisted ankle or something on those lines stupid um i don't know i think it was like my brother was sort of like the one that everyone in the family loved and like they were like can't you be more like josh he was like you know the good he was just like he did all the right things And I was the bad one always. I was just, I never, I questioned authority. I questioned process. I questioned all of it. And I think once I found my independence through working,

then I guess I sort of found a little bit of relief from trying to fit into the confines of what didn't make sense for me. Hmm. Why were you, why was Josh the golden child? Who knows? I wasn't the golden child. Don't even, everyone liked you better. I had bad grades. I didn't do well in school. I did do better at school.

Yeah, you were better in school for sure. Yeah, for sure. But it was just easy for me. I didn't do well in school until high school when I actually just wanted to do. Yeah, but you like watched cartoons every day and ate cereal and didn't care about school. Yeah. And you just cared about sports. Sports and cartoons is basically, sports cartoons and cereal.

And I think you still love sports cartoons and serial. Let's be real. You know, when you have a kid, when you have a kid that just like sports and cartoons, it's really easy. You know, there's no complication. Well, it's funny. I have a 15-year-old son and 11-year-old daughter. And they're just talking about my son, and they've had a home, you know, they've had a consistent home, loving home. but my son is totally down with leaving off to college somewhere just going off of this friend like he's totally independent and okay with not being at home and homebody but my daughter is the complete opposite um so it's kind of like she's almost like me and carter's almost like like it's hurt like has that kind of mindset it's kind of funny but she she cries if we say hey we're gonna we might we're gonna go look in texas or idaho and might move out there and she's like balls crying because she doesn't want to leave

her house like this house like she has to be in this house for the rest of her life is the way she it's crazy it's so funny it's so funny you say that because we we're at dinner last night and you know we saw a good friend of ours who's moving out of l.a to new york on you know 20 acres moving the kids and i'm like god i'm so jealous i want to do that and then i came home and talked to wilder and the kids like what if we just got out of l.a and they're like are you serious dad. No way. We're not going. God. God. God. I know.

It affects your decisions. It does. But should it? You know what I mean? I don't know. I don't know. I'm still as a parent. As a parent, I'm still torn. Like we're kind of like, Brooklyn get over it. But deep down the side, we're like, man, we can't do this to her. Only because I knew what it was like. I hated it.

I was forced to move to Australia with these guys. Oh, yeah. In for my two years, my mom forced me. Honestly, I wish I would enjoy it more, but I despised me. Yeah, you were pretty miserable. Because I just, I didn't have any friends. Because I did a TV show there. Yeah.

And so. Oh, so you had the whole family had to move. Not my dad. My dad stayed. He went back and forth. He flew back and forth. But my brother came with us and he was really upset. So it was no baseball, no football, because Australia isn't doing any of that stuff.

I didn't play basketball. They were into basketball. And I didn't play basketball. He had to wear a suit into skull. Yeah. Oh, my. You got knee high socks. And I'm like, I go to public school in California.

Like, this is not, this is not, you know. He had like a polyester suit. But now when you look back, are you happy you had that experience? A thousand percent. A thousand percent. Like, I love, I actually, when I think about it, like, I had my own independent. That's when I, like, I did things on my own. I was all, I was by myself 90 percent of the time.

So I just did things on my own. I would go to the beach because we were pretty close. And I'd boogie board almost every day. I'd go fishing. I had all this stuff and I did it all myself. And I just, I actually, I actually loved that part of it. I had a lot of just, like, alone time. And I was fat.

And so I actually lost a lot of weight out there. Like, I worked out every day. Like, I was doing, I was doing the 20-minute ad videos. Yeah, you did a feed-up. I was doing, I was like jazzercise. Yeah, it was like a jazzercise. But I didn't care. I was like, I'm going to do it.

And I was, I was doing it. I was playing tennis. I played tennis a lot. That's when I got better at tennis. And I literally would be in the garage just hitting tennis balls until I just started dripping sweat. And I just wanted to like, I was like, I'm going to lose away. This is going to be my opportunity to like just shed pounds. But in the moment, you were like, get me the hell out of here.

The whole time I was the whole time I was a punk because I just wanted to get out of there. Did you have any sort of resentment towards your sister? Like, we got to fucking follow your ass here. I didn't resent her. I resented my mom, honestly. Yeah. Oh, really? I think we should go to therapy because I feel like there is a resentment that you should get out and we should process together because it can't, it can't not affect you to, and also like I am the blame.

Like ultimately I am the reason why that is. Honestly, I blame my mom. She's the one who forced me to go. So I didn't like, you know. I feel like what Jess is saying, though, is that there might be. some carried resentment somewhere that happens still now. I have it with Oliver. And, you know, we tried to do therapy.

I'm not going to do that again. It didn't work. Oh, my God. That's amazing. No, I know. But, you know, as you get older, it's, you know, you can communicate better. And I think it's important sometimes, even when it's hard, you know. I think, honestly, Katie and I have been more open and communicative in these last couple years

than we ever have been, you know? And it's been good just to get the shit out, honestly. Maybe that's why you guys are deciding to do the show because it like gives you guys a barrier. Oh, yeah. But then it also allows you guys to kind of work out some of your stuff. Yeah, or at least get like different perspectives on other people's relationships

and actually realize like how lucky we really are, you know. Because you guys were close. Oh, yeah. We are really close. You even live close. I listened to your last podcast. Apparently guys all live next to each other. We're like literally right down the street.

But it has been fun, you know, doing this, you know, because you also get to see siblings who you want to emulate more, honestly, who are so close. And sometimes I'm like, I wish Katie now were more like that. Yeah. You know. So who do you think has like best sibling? Like where do you, what are sibling goals for you, who you guys have spoken to? Oh, gosh, there's been so many.

Really? I think there's some siblings. Like, honestly, when we did Tay, we did Tay Diggs and his brother. Oh, my God. And just, it wasn't about their relationship as much as it is about Tay, how lucky he is to have a brother like Gabe. Like. Yeah, it's so true. You know, like you just meet certain people that you're just like, oh, my God, this person's just a gem.

you know price but then you look at like the Duplas brothers right who are so co-dependent the relationship is so codependent that they had to break up literally break up like a relationship

and be away from each other you know that's amazing it's been yeah it is interesting it's also like how many people how many siblings actually work together we've interviewed especially comedians

how about you guys do you guys ever work together we have we have but it's been sort of like at a distance you know like if if i'm doing a job and there's a role for like a brother or sibling you know i'll say hey josh he's not uh you know he has another career and and he does something completely different um but i'll say hey do you know want to audition and and i'd did a TV show. I kind of took a break for like about 10 years, almost 10 years. And I did this TV show just to see if I liked it again. And then Josh auditioned and, and we got to like be brother and sister on camera. And it was like, it was like fun. And so we've done that. But it's more like I think the stakes are different when you're choosing to build something together or when it's

your your bread and butter right or yeah for us it was just more like it's it was kind of both of our side hustle um and it was just fun that we got to do it uh yeah josh what do you do what what's your main gig um my main gig uh is it's it's basically in real estate so i do um i work for i do actually real estate residential estate but i also work for a company that we do wireless telecommunications. So like T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, those are like...

What is your day-to-day? Well, it's kind of hard to say. So we literally... This is like... We literally do everything but build build the site. Okay. So we negotiate the leases.

We find the property. But no one knows what that means. So you know the cell phone towers that look like trees? Yes. That's what I do. He oversees the building of cell phone towers that look like trees so people get service.

All the permitting for it. So having to do with the city and all of the unions and getting those things built so we could have fast internet and wireless service. So we can do what we're doing right now. That's right. So we have you to think, man. So you're basically responsible for this. He's like a project manager on cell phone towers that look like trees.

And they don't know. They're on buildings too, so they're all over the place. But yeah, that's basically it. But like it's such a specific thing, right? It's like when he told me what he told, I was like, that's amazing. I didn't even think about there needs to be somebody in charge of that. I just see them and I'm like, wait. How did that get there?

That's a very different looking tree. Oh, wait, that's a freaking cell phone tower. And it's fun when I see a site built and I'm like, I did that. Like I negotiated that lease. That must be so satisfying. I was a part of that design. Hell yeah. Hell,

you take ownership. Yeah, because we do water tanks. We do fake water tanks. We do all these other things. And I'm like, man, that was great.

I actually want to know about that. I've always wondered about that as far as the design of these trees or these sort of water tanks or whatever it is to disguise the cell tower. Who comes up with that design? How is that implemented? You do? You come up? Basically. So,

so. Do they get a like a menu of like it could look like this? Yeah. Yeah, so basically what we do is, is we go to the city and we're like, okay, what does the city allow in this area? Do they allow trees? Do they allow tanks? Do they allow blah, blah, blah. And then you look at what they, what's available.

And then you go to your architect and you're like, hey, I want you to build this kind of thing for us here. And then you kind of, you give them the foundation. And they obviously, I'm not an architect, so I don't do all that. I know how to read all the plans and everything. But basically it's, it's, we're a part of, of. of the design and how it works. By the way, you know what to be interesting is to create art pieces around it,

meaning like make it artistic instead of just a tree trying to blend in, do something in a creative space that is an actual cell tower but is artistry. So in Venice, you're required to do some sort of, the city requires you to do some sort of

architectural design that has some kind of artistic. So you could hire like an artist that does like, uh, like, um, Israel with Alex Israel. Wouldn't that be funny? Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. All of the cell phone towers.

So, that's incredible. I never even thought of that. Look at you, Ollie, just being all creative and stuff. Well, I don't know. You guys have been to Santa Monica. I'm sure you guys seen in Santa Monica there's like utility boxes and they're painted like with flowers. So there's that as well that they do, especially if it's in the public right away and people

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You guys moved in with your grandparents. What was your, what was your mom and dad doing when you moved in with the grandparents? Was your dad still in the Army? No, he was in the Air Force. So he was in the Air Force. And then he got out and he was trying to figure out sort of what he wanted to do. And he partnered with his friend at the time to start like a mortgage and real estate. Well, first he was with a Kelly.

Oh, right. He was like a super, like a. He was a sales guy for, for, um, grocery. Remember, like, Hansen drinks and stuff like that? Hansen's and Tiger Milk bars. Like back in the day, yeah. So he would go to the shelves of grocery stores, and they gave him like a, it was a, we got a new car. Remember it was the, it was like a Subaru, like a hatchback.

And he would go around and he'd fill up the car with, like, product that was damaged. So we had like a grip of Hanson sodas. Tiger milk. And Tiger milk's bars. Love, love, tiger milk. Tiger milk bars were everything. I remember that. That's so weird.

So he did that for a bit and then decided. Hated it. Yeah, he hated it. He didn't want to work for somebody. He wanted to be independent. So then he started a business with his mortgage and real estate. Mortgage and real estate. He still does that today.

Same thing. And your grandparents, did they like watch you basically? Were they really hands-on? Yeah. Yeah, my grandma. Yeah, she. like helped raise us because then my mom was you know she would what didn't she do she was like

managing clothing stores movie theater she worked as a bartender um she did many many many jobs and when you started acting josh did you start acting yeah so i i started so i said she started modeling um okay i started i i my mom actually forced me to get into it when she started and like got me headshots and all this stuff. I'm like, and I was so not confident because I was, I was a chubby little fact. I was like, nobody wants to see, you know, like, I just wanted to see, you know, like, I just word. I mean, you were just, what?

I was. You were just growing and. Anyway. Anyway. I have pictures. That's true. Anyway, so I was done with it. I just, I literally, it was taking me away from sports.

Like, I was going on dishes. I like, I don't want to do this. And so, um, I did not. Um, I was having a good time just going to her sets and stuff like that, you know? and just being on the sidelines. And then when I was 16, I started modeling. And that's kind of how it started. So I was making some decent money modeling.

And 17, 18, I got a couple commercials. And then... See, I never got any work modeling or commercials. They said I was too moody and I, like, didn't have the face and all the things. I was... What? Yeah. I didn't smile.

enough. I didn't have, I wasn't outgoing enough. He got everything that like doors open for him that were always closed for me because I was like angsty teenager like Darya was like my. Oh my God, that's so funny.

But then, yeah. And then I actually, we actually did a show when I was 19, Dark Angel. Oh, Dark Angel, yeah. So he he was one of the sibling type characters like genetically engineered. Yeah.

He was in a couple episodes. Yeah, and then I was like, you know what? I'm going to dive all in. And then I ended up going to New York for like a six-week intensive class. It was a David Mammett. Acting school. Acting school. And I loved it.

And I just started, I actually ended up falling in love with it. Sports was kind of already done with my life at that point. And so I was like, all right, let's do this. And I was doing a couple things. I was doing a lot of commercials. And then a lot of like just independent things. And then I was like, then I had my son. And then, you know, I got married, had my son.

I'm like, you know what? My wife gave me an ultimatum saying, you know, if you don't make it by this point, we got to move on. And I actually booked a soap. And I was ready to go. I was, actually, they were going to move it in New York. And last minute, it got, like, it got next. So I was like, all right, well, I got to do something.

else. And I was doing real estate. Right when I got out of high school, I got my real estate license because my dad. And so I was doing that at the same time. So it was kind of keeping me afloat. And then that tanked and then SAG went on strike at the same time. And so I didn't know what to do. And so one of my clients actually worked in the wireless industry that I was doing a loan for. And he's like, hey, I work for Timoble. We need somebody in our leasing department, you know, with a real estate license, reviewing leases and stuff like that. And so I haven't really looked back since. Well, it sounds like you really fell in love with being an actor.

I mean, does that love just go away? Are you, I mean, yeah, where are you at with that? I mean, is there still a place for you to go pursue something that you love? Of course. I would hope so. I mean, I definitely haven't completely given it up, obviously. I did, you know, I did the show with my sister and I auditioned and I got it and they love me. They did.

I mean, I said, because I'm tough, I'm like, do not give it to him. Like, only if you guys think he's the best, but don't even tell anyone that he's my brother or nothing, just like make it just totally fair. He either gets it or he doesn't. You guys like him or you don't. And they actually said, you know, we hate, we kind of hate that he's the best one. And we hate because it could, you know, be a liability and like, what if it doesn't work out? And then we'd feel weird with you if we have to write him off. the show right away if it's blah blah blah and i was like i don't care he doesn't care either he has

another job like he has a job this is just fun for him it's a passion um same for me you know like um and and so they he actually got it i'm trying to change this around to see like honestly like how oliver would feel in that position and it would be terrible like if they wanted to write him off i'd be like this is devastating You know, she's heartless, by the way. She doesn't care. She will be like getting him out of here. But you know what?

We kind of all have that. No, I just feel like you're either like are it or you're not and we shouldn't bullshit around here and don't do me any favors. Yeah, of course not. I don't like owing people something. Like I'm a big believer in the right person gets the job for the right reasons, you know. You can't like this, the whole competitive nature of the business, which is real. to me has always felt bizarre

because it's like you're only going to get the part if you're right for the part, you know? Yeah, and I feel like if they, and I've always felt this way, if they want me, they definitely don't want someone else because I never looked like any of those girls that was ever auditioning for anything.

You know, like I was always coming out of left field. Like they didn't really know what to do with me in a room. And so I was like, you all me. They just knew they wanted. You either want me or you don't. And if you want someone else, then great. You know, next, moving on. I never took it personally and I never really felt competitive.

Because like you said, like if it's right for you to do it, then really no one else should do it. And it'll just, that will happen. It's funny that you're saying this because a couple of us started doing businesses before it wasn't necessarily the hip thing to do if you were an actor, you know, that you were going to, like, become a co-founder of a business and start something. It was sort of like just a different kind of way of thinking. And the fact that you're saying that you didn't take that part of the industry personally is probably a good indication of someone who would be okay, their ego would always be okay, doing other things, you know, which probably does lead to the success.

I think the mental health aspect of that, too, is huge, what you said. Because when I used to go to, in acting classes, I would have guys that would be like, this is everything. I can't do anything else. This is like, I'm like, dude, if this is you, if this is defining you, man, you're going to be a sad person, you know? But, you know, you have that. And you have those people. And, you know, I just feel bad because it's, you know, there's so much more out there.

Yeah. And I think like what you're saying is interesting because I think people's identity, Josh and and and Kate, like people's identity is certainly attached to sort of like their profession in a lot of ways. Because in our society, in our culture and the United States, like we live to work where I think in other cultures that are more advanced or are certainly been around longer, they work to live. And because we try to get so much out of work, life fulfillment and mental and personal and heart fulfillment out of work, we then put too much on it and it's tied too much to our identity. and in entertainment, it's really awful because it's always like the girlfriend or the boyfriend that has one foot out the door and is never really going to be that into you

and is never really going to. It's never a safe relationship. No, it's not safe. And you can never close the deal, actually, because it's, I don't know why we do it. It definitely can make you feel really wild because no matter how much you bring to the table, no matter how good you are, no matter how accomplished you are, it's still constantly telling you that you'll never be good enough in somebody's eyes.

I think that I always say if you really, if you choose to be an actor, if it's something you really love, you're like, you're a little crazy. And you like pain. Oh, yeah, it's very mad. They're incredibly masochistic. And you like to be emotionally distraught. In pain and distraught and feel really bad about yourself. It's so true.

It's like, you know, you're never going to have full, you know, adoration and validation. It's always, you know, there's always, it's always criticism. It's always, everyone's always skeptical. Like you never get that, you know, there are moments that feel victorious. But the second you get comfortable, they're on to the next one. What the wrong? Yeah, and you're like, I want to go back for more. It's a one-sided love.

It's very much like children. They'll never love you as much as you love them. They'll never be as into you. You get moments where they like pretend like, you know, you matter to them a lot, usually when they're younger. And then once their hormones start and they see that, you know, and they start getting their swag and they start thinking on their own, like they'll never love you like you love them. It's a one-sided relationship.

It's fucking terrible. Hollywood's the same way. I know. It's true. You'll never get back what you put in. That's for sure. You guys feel super like a very level-headed family. I wonder your mom and your dad, like the stability of that relationship, even though...

Or instability. Oh, I was going to say, like, whatever that is. I was going to say, no, no, they'll kill us. No, they're still together. It's a marathon. It is, but I mean, I don't even know if I want to be on a marathon like that. You know what I mean? My brother actually married his high school girlfriend.

Wow. His only girlfriend. And that's who he's still married to. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. With no breaks. Never. Never.

Our senior year. He's only had one person in his life ever. Yeah. One girlfriend, one, yeah, whatever. I mean, I. Did you kiss any other girls? Get out of here. What?

Get out of here. What? I don't even know, Josh. I have only ever been with Danny. Danny is the only man I've ever been with. Times 68. So I never had a girlfriend, but I gated through my senior year in high school. And then my senior year in high school, I got to, my wife and I.

But didn't you go to, like, Sadie Hawkins or something with Nikki when you guys were, like, in sophomore? When we were sophomores, I went to a dance with her. Yeah. And I didn't know who she was before that. And then we went to a dancer. You were like 15? She asked you? She asked somebody to ask me to ask her.

So I did. I didn't know. That's what you're doing high school. I don't know. But just even a quick question on that. Like, how is that? I mean, you know, does that, does it, are you, you're satiated, you're content. I mean, obviously, this is your woman.

This is your life. Yeah. Do you ever look back? Not that you would ever really admit this, you know, on a podcast, but do you ever look back and think, man, I wish I could have or should have or even for her. Terrible question. Yeah. Look, I'll tell you the honest to God truth.

I fall more in love with her every freaking day. She's amazing. I love that, dude. And that's not like I, like, I've never, I've never thought that I didn't want to, don't get me wrong. We have moments of just like, just I don't want to be next to you, you know, for about a week or so. But, I mean, she's mine, I'm hers, you know, like, it's, it's, I don't know, it's, to me, it's super. romantic and beautiful and um again she's the only person i've ever slept with and i'm the only person she's ever slept with so like that's what we have and like we can you know what i mean like

no one can take that away from us so amazing dude yeah and i would i would like to think that she might cry i'm the opposite yeah me too no i mean whatever the opposite is that's me oh god although i was like i'm a casualist like you're approved and I was like yeah so what but I definitely am like god damn is this the rest of my mother F life like are really doing this and I'm looking up 17 years with this full and he's looking at my face and we are like we're in it to win it and I have to say like at around having Hayes time because he was the only kid we actually planned the other two we're like, oh, here we go.

And since then, I actually have fallen more in love with cash. Oh, that makes me so happy to hear. And I don't know if it's just my own maturity. Like, I'm really, like, ready. I've moved into this more content, more confident, more in my own, feeling my, I don't know, feeling really present and so then that allows me to be more present in my relationship with him so i don't know but um that makes me yeah no i i've been 20 i'm 20 years in it's the best it's ever been it's just about vulnerability it's about being open and and honest and just not holding

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And it's only because of her that we are where we are. A thousand percent. You got so lucky. Yeah. Oh, I did. Oh, my God. I mean, I couldn't have asked for a better sister-in-law. And what she has given you, like talk about the purest love.

Like she really, she chose to believe in you. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. And that, and, and, and, and she was right to do that. Yeah. You know, because you guys had that, you, you had that moment. She made a good, she made a good bet, you know. It was a risky one, but she made a good bet.

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I feel like we've had some pretty... I feel like... We've had good conversations, yeah. For the most part, I think everybody and our family feels like anyone who would put up with me, like I'm lucky. Put up with my ass.

Well, also, Jess, you're so open, too. Like, you do openly talk about, things. But I would think that that comes from your whole family being pretty open. Yeah, and I think it's also, I think I think I started to study people and

be an actor and try and fall into the shoes and the mental of someone else's experience because I'm trying to figure out human behavior. And so when I talk about it, it's also just me trying to figure

it all out because I've always felt like such an alien in my family and so different. And I was like, how was I even born in around these people? Because we are so different. And I always felt like an outcast and I did not feel connected. I don't know how because my grandma was an actress and a dancer and artist. My grandpa was. They were all musicians and artists.

I know, but they, I don't know. I just, I just never felt like the rules that the family cares about. those rules just didn't make sense to me. I just kind of, I always felt like don't do it just because people, that's what's been done before. What rules, what kind of rules, like actual rules? Yeah, like real, like my, it's like Catholic, like Mexican, like very traditional, like machismo, like men rule the house and very like classic that. And I just was like, fuck that. And I just never wanted that.

And I didn't want to sign up for it. So cash doesn't rule the house. No, it's probably why they butt heads so much. They're too like alpha. We're both alpha. He makes space for me and I make space for him. And we go back and forth in it. But yeah, like it's a lot, I think, to have two very strong will people that have very specific ideas about how things.

should be done and to like coexist and then also sometimes jesska doesn't believe that there's more than one way to skin a cat i'm learning josh okay i'm learning does that sound familiar oliver i feel like guys i feel like if you wanted to really know how to skin a cat you'd go to me and jesska i'm just saying what you just said is a perfect example i couldn't disagree more i mean there's a a lot of ways to skin a cat. Oh, my God. Guys, let's be honest. I don't want to skin a cat.

This sounds terrible. That's gross. The visual. Like right now in your guys' life, do you feel like, like, where are we at? One, as like, siblings and two, just individually. Are we in the, are we in a place of contentment? Are we in a place of transition? Like, we're in interesting ages, too.

So, like, where are you guys at as? as a sibling relationship and individually. Why do I have to go first? Okay, I'll go first. For me, like, honestly, for us... When are you not content is all I have to say? He's always happy. He's always content.

He loves his life. But I feel like our love, our love is... He's pretty happy with all of his choices since day one. No, but I mean, I just... I feel like we've been growing. We grow every year. I mean, I feel like our relationship grows. we have you know she'll come out of nowhere and we'll have like an hour conversation

at a nowhere you know what i mean which you know um we used to Josh had a pretty bad health scare with COVID yeah oh really uh yeah it's still it's still I mean it's I'm uh I'm what you call a long hauler so honestly I was going to warn you before we had this thing because sometimes I just go blank I have that brain fog like I literally can't find the words that I'm going to say a lot of times. Oh, really? Wow. And I do a lot of meetings, so it's frustrating. So I have to like warn when I go to like cities, I basically have to warn them like if, if I pause for a little while, it's just, I can't control it. Like it's just, it is what it is. And so, you know, so it doesn't get awkward or embarrassing. I just kind of lay it out there. But I don't know,

it's been going pretty good right now. So. Yeah. I haven't noticed. But he had, I mean, he, do you want to tell them what happened or no? Yeah, I mean, it hit me, it hit me, it hit our family and it hit me extremely. Well, just tell them what happened on Christmas. Oh, well, that's, so, so, so I had COVID, right, and it lasted about three weeks and I had it pretty bad. I had every symptom. I had symptoms that I didn't know were symptoms. I looked it up and I'm like, oh, crap, this is a symptom. And it was stuff that. Well, you were also in the belief of like, God, you know, wouldn't give me something I couldn't handle, and maybe you weren't, like, the most safe. I don't know about that. She assumes a lot. I think she assumes a lot about me, but no,

but I think it's because I'm so easygoing that everyone thinks I'm just like, God's got this. Of course God's got this. But, you know, if there's Advil in front of me and I'm like, I have a headache, God's like, take the dang out of Advil. You know what I mean? Or God is not trying to do all of that because you're not a puppet and there's something called free will. Anyway. So, back to the COVID. So I got COVID pretty bad. And I went to the emergency room a couple of times. Get to the point. Christmas morning. I had it. It stopped at the end of November. Christmas morning, I was, it was like 6.30 in the morning. We were opening up gifts with my kids. And I said, Nikki, I'm about to pass out. And then I literally just fell over on the couch and started having seizures. He had a massive heart attack. And he went. And he basically was out for like 26 minutes. No.

Unconscious. So I was out with seizures and they were, they were, my son called the 911. My daughter got the neighbor. My wife was, you know, tending to me. And I finally came to when I was getting out of the ambulance at the, at the hospital, which is, they said is like, that doesn't have, like, you know, you shouldn't be out for that long kind of thing. So, but they found P.E. pulmonary embolisms in my chest. So that's what it is.

And I still have them. I take blood thinners for it and stuff like that. And it's messed me up. Like, honestly, I've been a mess, like, since Christmas. PTSD. I'm so sorry to hear this. So, like, that, I think for me, it, like, made our relationship feel so. You, like, immediately go into nothing else.

matters in life than making sure that we have time yeah it just felt so like life instantly felt so fragile and so um yeah because I could I mean honestly I don't I don't know if I should be you know I I know I should be here but um you know he is here so it's just like it just puts so much into perspective so any kind of of like differences that we have or had in the way that we think and exist in the world, we couldn't be more opposite in most, and I would say pretty much everything. Where we bond is, you know, us talking about how mom and dad are crazy and we love them. And that's, you know, where we land.

But we're very opposite in a lot of ways. And I think this experience has brought us together in a way where you're just like, I just want time with you. And I don't know how to create more time with you. But we don't know if we have tomorrow. Yeah. So. Wow.

It's that, I mean, are you speaking generally? Are you speaking specifically with your brother? Like you don't know if you have tomorrow. I think specifically with my brother, but then my grandfather just who helped raises just passed away. And it really was, you know, from COVID as well. And everything just feels really fragile.

Everything feels really delicate and fragile. And I guess, you know, there are a lot of things in life that I always cared about and that I put as a priority. But ultimately, we only have the moment that we're in today and just try to be completely present in this moment. So that's where I'm at. I would say, is that a transition or content? It's both, right?

It feels like it's both. Yeah. And I think it's about like not being that person that's going to learn from a lesson that we already, like, you know, not waiting, you know, too long. Like, for example, with us, like, you know, people that didn't say hi, didn't say, abide to their parents and they passed away. Like, I wish I would have, I wish I would have, I wish I would have been there. I wish I would have done this. It's like we, we have eyes wide open that tomorrow isn't sure. And so if we're not living completely in the present moment of now and making the

most of it, then what the hell are we doing, you know? Do you feel like there's been a shift in your relationship after this? Just as far as what you're talking about, meaning, wow, we need to be closer we need to be more in each other's lives we need to talk more we haven't cracked it yet we haven't figured out what that consistency is um but we definitely talk about it yeah right because our schedules are just so like yeah insane because the kids you don't live that close we don't live close to each other an hour from each other 45 and and his kids do all you know so many activities on the weekends and that's my time to not do things and then I work you And he were in the, it's just hard when you have kids and work and all of that.

I always say the kid era, like when you've got kids at home and you're just parenting all the time is the hardest time. And it's hard to do everything that you want. It's just all about the kids, you know. It really is all about that. And they're narcissists. So they are really like, why isn't it all about me all the down time? Like, what are you even doing? We didn't ask to be here, mom and dad.

So you have to, like, consider that as well. I don't know. So, yeah, I would say that that changed our dynamic. I haven't, you know, I like to fix things, and I like things to be immediate, and I like to have answers. So I wish I would have cracked how we're going to see each other more consistently better, but I haven't cracked it yet.

It's interesting because it, It seems easy, you know. We can always make time. But I guess it's not as easy as it seems, you know, even when something like this happens. And you're like, when do we even get together for dinner? Oh, God, no doubt. We live like an hour, like a good hour and a half, two hours away in traffic. And so like both ways, that's like three hours of driving just to like see each other.

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All right, well, listen, let's do some of these fun questions. Like, who's the stricter parent? I'm stricter. You just have more weird, like, God rules, but. I'm not, I'm more just like, if I, the only thing I'm strict is really mainly with my son because he wants to play a college athlete. So I'm strict with him. Oh, like what it takes to get to that level.

Getting, you know, taking your supplement, eating and getting ready. If you really want to do this, I'm here for you. But like, so I'm strict with him with that stuff. But I let them do, they have so much freedom in our house. I mean, he goes to his friend. They spend a night at friends' houses all the time. I mean, I trust them. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, there's definitely, if I'm strict at anything, it's it's when it comes to his athletics um and and that's pretty much so so going back because i got to touch on this the whole god thing it seems like there's a there's a divide right i mean we have one real one real you're very religious and then jessica you're sort of where you at with that i i believe in god i just don't um subscribe to a certain notion or idea of one specific type of beliefs Right. When it comes to, like, religious practices, I think that it should be personal. And I believe that it's all, it's, there's, I make space for all of it to exist.

And I think whatever's right for you. I would say from a judgmental standpoint, you believe that way in a lot of ways, Josh. But you also have the bend of the Born Again Christian thing. I'm definitely not religious. I'll say that. But it is. Mine is more relationship. You just go fucking it that way.

Well, to me it's a relationship because it's a real thing. It's not, you know, I don't have to go to church to feel like I'm doing something good or I don't have to obtain something to do this. You know, like I do it because I love it because I love God. Because I love God. Just like a parent, like a kid, a kid, like my son loves me so much, he's going to get good grades because he wants to make us proud. It's the same exact concept.

I love God so much. My kids get good grades because I'll take away their electronics. You know my point. No, I do. I get it. But you guys seem to be accepting, though, right? I feel like I'm the most accepting person around. So I don't know.

Lies. Huh? Lies? Lys? Who do I literally? Josh, Josh, do you ever look at Jessica in the way that she lives and pass any judgments on the way that she does things based on God and how she should,

I'll never, I never make judgments. No. You do not. No. Do I agree with some things? Does that, is that counting as a judge? I mean, do I agree with some things? My best friend, I don't agree with some things that he does. I don't agree with some things my wife does. So like it's... There is a little bit of a judgment and... She judges me more than any. Oh, really? Absolutely. She judges the crap out of me. And but what she doesn't understand is if she just calls me, She'd probably find out that, like, I didn't say this or I didn't think this way or whatever the case may be.

But she judges me definitely. Well, we got to dive into that for a second, the judgments that Jessica is passing on you. Like, what are we talking about here? It's a good question. Why do you judge me so much? I don't judge you so much. I just think that the more open, curious, educated you are, then you will have a more well-rounded point of view.

And sometimes I think you believe very narrowly that God will tell you what God wants you to believe. And I think that that's very narrow. I think that you have to own life experience and you have to know that you have the agency to experience, life and not be so judgmental of choices and also that there's probably different ways that people can experience life. And I know what works for you works for you, but I think sometimes

when you are so focused on a certain religious belief, it can feel really narrow in your understanding of the world and relationships and journey and this life. So that's all. That's that's to me just sometimes it feels really narrow and I know you're smarter than that and I know you're better than that than just being so narrow and so that's where my judgment comes in well I guess it comes down to this Josh do you believe that your sister's going to burn in hell I don't believe that's a great question and the answer is I would never I would never ever think anybody's going to burn in hell because I wouldn't pass that judgment that's not for me to do that's on God God can do whatever he wants

he's got. He. Why he? I don't believe that. Okay, whatever. So there's another thing that we disagree on. Okay. I mean, it's okay. It's okay. I love people no matter how I see, no matter what they're doing, how I see them, I love people, right? Because that's just my nature. It's my character. It's who I am. On the other end, like she, like, I feel like she judges me more than I've ever judged anyone. But I don't love people differently. I just think that sometimes people who subscribe to a very specific idea of religion just feels too narrow and it they aren't, it doesn't sound intelligent. It just sounds kind of dumb. So then that's a, that's a, that's a judgment that you're making that I don't make on anyone.

No, I know, but I just think that like that, that to me is like, I think everyone should. You're judging people that think that way and you're not getting any sort of. I think instinctively naturally we just judge. That's just who we are. I mean, we're constantly passing judgments on each other. But when it gets toxic and it turns into anger or hate, you know, yeah, that's not good. But if you're making an observation, an observation or a judgment can be the same thing. This convert, I think part of what's challenging always about these conversations is that this is the source of many wars, whether it be personal.

or whether it be countries and, you know, property. And it's been happening, right? And there's this great quote that I love. And it's his name is Gregory Roberts. He wrote this amazing book, Chantra, one of my favorite books ever. Oh, it did so good. And he says, guns do not serve God.

And I thought, like, that's such a great, like, if you could even use a gun as like sort of a metaphor, right, of like protection and, Like when you really think about what God is, like God encompasses and should encompass all. It should, God really does have no judgment. God doesn't have favorites. It's sad that everyone's God, whoever that is can't coexist in ways that just are. Because to me, God is everywhere with everybody.

Like, I just, so, you know, I think that's why these. conversations can always be so difficult because you're right like a lot of people who have a narrow understanding of what God is to them feel like such ownership over that that it doesn't make space for God to exist for other people in their own way and sometimes that narrow understanding of that personal relationship can put boundaries on God's love because God's love is actually for all and wins in the end and is all goodness, all love, all light. It's all the good in the world. And there's different manifestations of what God is to different people.

God is just simply a word. Who are we to say that the Maasai warrior tribes and whatever they feel God is, is any better or worse than the sort of Christian, you know, Judeo- Or any religion. Or any religion. It doesn't make sense to me. That's why religion feels elitist in a way. Because who are you to say that you're right and they're wrong?

I mean, how are we? That's more my mentality around it is just like I feel like God is so much bigger than an individual's understanding of that relationship. And it feels all encompassing. And that's all. And that's to me, I think whenever I get a little bit from. frustrated in some of our conversations. Josh's, I just hope that you're, sometimes what you say comes off really narrow when actually, I know you believe that God is love and God is all that

is good. And it's not as narrow as sometimes it comes off because, you know, you really believe in the purity of God's love. You know, when you have these moments where like you walk into a holy building or a church or a place where that that holds space for prayer or collective faith and and that feeling that you kind of like that that at least I get this where it sort of wraps around you you know people talk to me about wellness all the time I think the biggest thing missing and wellness is faith and and and and people who have faith like you, Josh, that is really, you know, you're, you might say it's, Jess, you might say it, it feels narrow, but, but I envy it because a part of me wishes sometimes that I had that

type of faith in something. Oh, God, me too. I wouldn't be having anxiety attacks like right now. When I walk into a holy space, I do feel like held. And people who have that, I just look at that And I go, it must bring such a wonderful sense of safety and security that that is a beautiful thing. And yeah, and honestly, I think what really opens it up for me is I don't, like, to me, I believe in the real Jesus. I don't believe in the white, like, when I say white Jesus, I'm talking about all these photos of Jesus, you know, like the pictures that people predict, like showed of Jesus being white and whatever. Like, that's not Jesus. That was never Jesus. We all know Jesus wasn't white.

And it actually irritates me churches that push that or whatever. So to me, I believe in the true Jesus. And that is what's fulfilling. And that's what opens up. But for you, I do. And that's why I love it. Like, I honestly, this, whatever, for being so narrow, it's crazy how much I love everyone. So I guess I'll take the.

Yeah, that's all I'm saying. It's just like I just feel like even though sometimes some of the things you say feel really narrow. I know that ultimately you are part, you understand the bigger love that, that we're talking about, that everyone can participate in no matter where you're from. So that's all. I love you guys. An amazing, amazing, amazing, amazing conversation. This is what a great conversation. Let's do a couple quick speed rounds. One word to describe each other. Stubborn. prideful. I was going to say stubborn. I was going to say stubborn too. I think I'm stubborn. Go, go. Okay. Who's better at telling stories?

Me. You. Jessica. I carry on. I'm I can't tell the minute. I'm interested. I'm interested in this one for Josh. What's the first celebrity crush? Oh, Jessica Bill. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We were a little. Good one. What about you, Jess? What about you, Jess? She lived with us for a little bit. But I was like, I was like, what's happening right now? Probably Johnny Depp or something. Yeah, that's a good one. Me too. Who was the tattletail?

He was a tattletale. Yeah, she also loved to get me in trouble too. But yes, I would probably. I got my ass to be all the time for this foolish. I car her smoking one time. Uh, Jessica's smoking. I car did some. Uh, Jessica's doing this.

Yeah. Yeah. What about first concert? new kids on the block for you didn't you go with us man I don't even know

oh it was it was up in smoke tour no not up as well it was a Power 106 she took me she took me to the Power 106 summer jam or whatever

the heck purse I did when I was 16 that was my first concert amazing I love hip-hop. Who's better in a stressful situation? Really?

Josh is pointing to himself. I don't know. We probably are pretty good. Because our parents were always stressed out. So we kind of are calm and stressful situations because our parents were always spinning out. Okay. So here's the question. You're going to rob a bank.

Who's driving the getaway car? Who's robbing the bank? I'm robbing. Josh is so far, Josh is not getting near that bank. No, no. I'm wrong. I'll run with the dance. No, because you'll forget stuff. It'll be annoying. Okay. Do you want to do the one last quick question? It's a two-part. We ask this to everybody, okay?

First part is, what is, if you could take something from your sibling for yourself, a trait, an attribute, something that you love about them that you wish you had, what would that be? And on the flip side of that, if you could alleviate something from them, take a stressor away to make their lives a little bit better, What would that be? What would I take from you, Josh? I would take your contentment with, like, you don't, you're happy with things and you aren't in this constant pursuit of there's something else out there.

And I think that there's something so noble about that. And what would I take from you? I would like to take your PTSD because I know how to deal with stress and depression and ups and downs. And I wish, and you're just learning about mental health and I've been dealing with it my whole life. So I would take that from you because I know how to how to do that one. Good. I would take her ambition, the fire and the fight that she has in. side of her to just want to keep pushing.

I mean, look at what she did with the honest company. You know what I mean? It's remarkable. So I would take absolutely more of that. Take away from her. Yeah, take away. I mean, it's, I would take away her stress. I mean, the stress that she deals with on a daily basis, her sleep, her lack of sleep,

her lack of, she's constantly on the move. I mean, I would take away her schedule. Can I take away her schedule? Is that a thing? Can you take mine away too? I'm going through that shit right now. It's crazy. It's gnarly.

That's another conversation. Yeah. Yeah, he's just started it and I've had it like literally since I was like a lot. Yeah, the post code, like I get these panic attacks. They're insane. I don't like I literally think I'm going to die. Yeah. It's insane.

Well, my throat has been closed off this entire podcast. I mean, my adrenals have been wide open, so, you know, I'm feeling it too. Well, go to the tennis match. I love you. Yeah, I love you guys. Thank you so much for being so open. This is awesome. Thank you for you.

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