Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Keeping a Lowe Profile

Episode Date: April 29, 2024

Oliver has a lot in common with Rob Lowe's sons John and Matt. Was Hollywood heartthrob Rob Lowe a strict dad? Did the Lowe last name come with more problems than perks?  Lots of 'revelry' revelations to unpack here!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My sister is yet again on set working, making a ton of money. Well, I am here doing this podcast. You know why? Because I fucking love it. That's right. I love to do this. I'm here and I'm very excited to talk to my guests coming up, John Owen and Matt Lowe. Friends with Matt were big fishermen.

He's been on my boat. And I'm excited to get into their lives. I mean, this is pretty interesting situation. It's not dissimilar to how I grew up. But the difference is that they have like a sexy, ass dad who their girlfriends, I'm sure, want to bone. You know what I mean? You know, Rob Lowe. It's fucking Rob Lowe, for Christ's sakes. So it's a little bit different, I would say. I know Rob, amazing guy, amazing father, you know, I'm excited to talk to John Owen a little bit about

sort of his sobriety, honestly, where that came from. And you know what? I'm actually reading this book right now by a guy named Alan Carr. And it's, I don't know the exact title, but it's how to cut down on drinking. Okay. Alan Carr has written many books, but he did a famous book about quitting smoking and everyone who would read it would quit smoking. Because, and I'm reading this book because I don't think I'm an alcoholic.

You know, I know I talk about on this podcast and how I drink and blah, blah, blah, but it just feels like it's too much, you know, can I stop? Yes. But I'm just interested in why I might drink as much as I do in a sitting. And I know that when I do sort of take two weeks off, how amazing I feel. I don't know. Anyway, this is now, now everything's just coming out of my, from my head and out of my mouth. Um, anyway, here I am, Oliver Hudson, just fucking crushing everything in this world. Let's bring on, uh, Matt and John. Let's get into it. Well, first of all, really cool to have you guys on. I appreciate it. My sister's working. She's not able to be here, but who gives a shit about her anyway, right?

You know? Yeah. It'll be better like this. So, you know, Johnny, if we met, I think so. I think we met at some like, uh, a football game and a Fox suite. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was playoffs.

That's right. It could have been the Super Bowl. It could have been. We're really something like Fairweather fans right now, whatever. No, I know, but on the Super Bowl, your dad was on the field, I think. Actually, you know what? It may have been the Super Bowl. Yeah, I think he was on the field, or maybe it was the playoff game prior to that.

But yeah. Do you know how he gets down to the field in the Super Bowl? Because I've seen it happen before. Oh, yeah, this is a great. one. He has a saying he'll be mad at me for saying this publicly where he goes, I just don't stop for a clipboard. I won't stop for one. And so he'll just walk. He'll just walk. And it's really annoying to watch it work. Yeah. And it does work. Oh, well, it's just, it's that confidence. You know, I mean, you could probably get into any like country club or any private place if you just sort

of walk in or drive in and wave because I think you're playing on everyone's insecurities that we all have meaning like oh shit if this guy's so confident that he's a member I don't want to fuck him up like hi you know yes it's raw confidence and probably borderline narcissism I think yeah yeah there's a little bit of healthy arrogance in there sometimes with it but uh you know of course I also think it helps when uh you're going down to those situations He's like, well, we're going to be down there anyway. Like, let's just go now. I'm like, okay, well, why don't we wait for someone to tell us we can do it?

No, no, no, no. You don't wait. You just go. It's like, oh, all right, dad. Well, along those sneaking in lines, like I was, you know, am or was an obsessive golfer. But when I started sort of in the high school college area, I have a friend who's a member at Hillcrest Country Club in L.A. and I know his dad and his son Alex never went to golf.

He didn't golf. They didn't even know who he was. So I would drive in to Hillcrest Country Club and just say I was Alex Kasson. So now for a year, I go there and everyone knows me as Alex. They call me Alex. I'm playing on the golf course. You know, I become a member, basically. I get paired with this dude's with his dad

he was the father of a kid on my baseball team and I introduced myself as Alex and he's like what? I'm like I'm Alex and he's like he eventually after the round turns me in and I get a call from Michael Alex's dad being like what the fuck

are you doing? I'm like I like I like golf I don't know I'm sorry but it worked how old were you doing that? I was like 16 17 you know that's right that feels like the right age to be to be doing something like that yeah i'm 40 i'm 47 now and i still probably do something that ridiculous you're like this was last year yeah yeah yeah i never did anything like that but ours is a little less glorious the local uh like pool club we found a way where there was a security camera that was no longer working

so you could sneak through the back and then be like oh no my name is my name is andy bush like i'm good Don't worry. Like, this is me. Here's my number number. Oh, yeah, totally. That was the high school days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to sneak on to Riviera golf course, you know, which is like one of the great

golf courses in the country. And there was a hole in a fence, you know, and I used to go through houses and walk onto the fifth hole. And I'd get gobbled up by these older groups, these older men, man. Oh, hey, they were so excited that like a 15-year-old kid was playing by himself. And who's your dad? I'm like, oh, like Greg Johnson. They're like, I don't know.

but why don't you play with us? So I would play golf with all these members with them thinking that I was some junior member. I was a little nutty, dude. I sold fake IDs when I was in high school. I was entrepreneurial beyond, I mean, beyond anything, but it was all illegal. You know, it was all.

That's so good. Wasn't on the up and up. It was before the days of the online novelty ID sites. And then every kid from your high school had the Arizona or the Connecticut fake ID. dude exactly I had a laminar and so it was it were laminated Idaho Hawaii IDs Hawaii Hawaii is gnarly that can't work often oh dude they were all terrible like I think everyone probably got caught and arrested but you know we made money so good we made money you know

just fucking so many kids over you oh god I know they line up outside of my friend's like guest house and we'd be printing these IDs, you know, but hey, the spirit was there. Execution was there, but the legality might have been a little bit off. You know. Well, thanks for, thanks, you guys. I just want to sort of get a sense, like, you know, obviously you grew up similarly to how sort of I grew up, you know, with a famous father. And I'm sure you guys get these questions all the time, right? first of all going into the business you know Matt you decided to sort of shy away from it was that

on purpose or was it just you weren't interested um honestly I saw a lot of what it brought early on and a lot of it was really good and a lot of it was stuff that I realized I wasn't quite cut out for in terms of I so when I'm going through my founder introductions every in my day-to-day life working adventure I have this little spiel I give and I have it so down to a science now if I say I was born in the entertainment world it's my bread and butter but I very quickly realized that I like being behind a camera rather than in front of one and that is really true um I knew kind of early on that acting was interesting but my biggest motivating factor for it was oh man like there's such a possibility for financial gain and

I was like that's not a good motivating factor to go into it I don't have to love for it so I very early realize that I'll let the despians and the family go after that goal. Mm-hmm. Johnny, you're just born into it. I mean, because here's the thing. Like, you know,

it's cool. It's interesting. Honestly, Matthew, you're not. Because, you know, you sort of, for the most part, you grow up a certain way. You know, if your parents are steelworkers, like, good chance you're going to be a steel worker. You know, we grew up in a family where we were on sets.

I mean, we were tutored on sets. We would travel. there. I mean, this is all we knew. I didn't know anything else, you know. Yeah. And a lot of what I'm able to do now and the luxuries I'm afforded is because of the success that he's seen throughout his career where I don't take that for granted. You know, I was able to go to a really good college. I was able to go to law school, pass the California bar, become an attorney, then transfer into finance. And, you know, a lot of that is due to me being really smart, tenacious, and a great person but it's also i was afforded certain luxuries because of the success of you know my dad so

that is not lost on me either yeah but you're not getting into duke because of your dad that's certainly certainly not and then uh i didn't pass rod didn't go to the california bar and say uh you need to admit this kid right exactly exactly how much yeah they might our parents would have done that if they could have i i johnny was all johnny was almost on the u s rowing team it's okay That's right. My joke that is really not a joke, and Matthew would agree, is like, if we hadn't been as hard of workers as we were, we probably would have been in the college admission scandal. Like, Barbara, we're willing to go there. Yeah.

Well, this is, it poses a really interesting question. Who gave you the hard work? Did you see that? Did you witness it? Is it genetic, you know, because if I'm, if I could change one thing about me, honestly, it's work ethic. I love to have fun. Matt, as you know, I'm on my fucking boat every day. Like, I would rather be on the ocean and tinkering in my garage and being with my children than doing anything.

I think if I hit the lottery, if I played the lottery and won a billion dollars, whatever the fuck it was, like, it would be dangerous because I'd be like, I'm chilling. but and I kind of attribute that a little bit to just not being pushed you know what I mean where do you think you guys sort of got your work ethic from I think honestly

and I very much sympathize with that viewpoint because I myself am like God I'd love being on my boat all the time and growing up my parents are like why don't you go be a fisherman and you know this that and the other my dad said the same thing

I know I was like well I think if I did it every day, it ruined the love of it and that, you know, passion I have to do it when I have my free time. But the work ethic, I think, is one of those things where I saw it from both parents. My mom, you know, grew up in some hard circumstances and really had to lift herself up from her bootstraps and do some good work to get to where she is. And then I grew up seeing my dad on two different TV shows at a time, you know, driving back and forth from San Barbara to that dude that dude fucking works yeah he's been working since i was born on i think what is it johnny that he's been on a television show every year for the past like some insane number but i i just

remember growing up that you know it wasn't a bad thing he was always gone working doing this and that and i was like okay he's out there working hard so it was instilled in us very early on to have that work ethic yeah my dad will do anything he can to spend as little time with his family as possible well it sure seems like that i'm like what rob's on a fucking game show now like it doesn't you have enough things he's got two tv shows he's got this he's got that he's like and then at a game show like he's got the dough i mean you don't need it you know but so maybe he doesn't love you as much as he sort of says that's what i man that's what i've landed on the void whatever hole he's trying to stuff it's bigger than we all can imagine i think he'll know this oliver he's my partner

a 31 Bircham so he has to go get some money to pay for that thing too that's right that's right especially rebuilding those new engines oh yeah yeah that's what the game shows for just to add when he was we had they were strict our parents were really strict they were I was gonna get at like academically for sure they kicked our ass they were really really strict uh we had you know tutors and curfews and you know I wasn't allowed to sleep at my friends house houses and it was very, very, you know, very academically oriented household. How important were grades? The most important.

That was that was our currency growing up, straight up. Yeah, we knew pretty early on that neither Johnny and I was going to be in the NFL or the NBA. So it was all about academics pretty early there. And they let it be known that that's how you achieved. Wow. And did you hate them? maybe maybe sometimes when I was like

god damn I really did try my hardest there that B minus really hurt your guys's feelings you know but in the long I feel like you were more you acquiesced better like you fit in better to that system though like I

I did it I think Matthew I guess the the not non political way of putting it was was that Matthew was just less of a shit disturber So he got less. For sure.

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host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission. Don't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Don't you think that, you know, you should be parented differently based on sort of who you are and, you know, what your psychology is.

and, you know, what your achievements may or may not be. One, the top achievement for one might be an A, and then the top achievement for one might be a B, you know. Yeah, and I think that that was something that we struggled with a little bit because, and I'll shoot Johnny's horn here, he was more naturally academically inclined without the amount of work that I had to put in for it. So sometimes there was that comparison, which would be like,

okay, well, I tried really hard, and this was my best. yes, you can push me more, but you can't compare us on certain things. And then, you know, there were other things where I naturally excelled, and then they would hold him accountable for those things. So what works for one does not always necessarily work for the other, and it's always a learning process. Yeah, I mean, I'm a dad now. You know, I have a 16-year-old, a 14-year-old, and 11-year-old.

So I'm dealing with all this shit, you know. Oh, yeah. And I do it totally differently than your parents did. And I don't know if they're fucked or if they're, like, you're going to thrive. I have no idea but I was not an academic you know what I mean like I got expelled from high school

whoa yeah for cheating on a chemistry test I put the right answers on the wrong test I didn't even bother to look at the questions I tell you something I have that exact same story from high school and I really but yes I did the same thing I found an old test online

and memorized it and came in, and I did it, mine was slightly different, was that I got like a 98% and the one question I missed was the right answer for an old test. They knew it and they called me in and I got out of it because my argument was, well, you guys shouldn't have old tests online.

I was just studying. That's the same thing as studying. And I legitimately argued my way out of getting. That's 100%. Yeah, so they, our chemistry teacher gave us two tests without telling us that they were different. So one student had one test, another one had another. And I would just look over it on the some person's paper.

And I just saw literally it was the number one question. And I'd be like, I didn't even look at the, I didn't even look. I remember the alternate seating, alternate question stuff. Yeah. I remember that. This is the problem. Like I feel like I'm too lenient with my kids, but it's just how I am. You know, effort matters to me more.

Like, you know, if I see him studying his, ass off and he gets a C, hey, good. What the fuck does that mean? What does a grade actually mean? You're being evaluated on whether something is right or wrong. But your effort, when you're translating that to life, is really where it's going to come out. If you are putting in maximum effort into something that you love, then there's a good chance you're going to succeed at it, you know? When I don't see him put the work in, then, you know, I have, you know, I have have a little bit of an issue. But, you know, I was never that strict. Still, I'm not. I was a crazy kid. Again, I got expelled from high school, worked at CIA in the mail room, you know,

had an insane, an insane year and a half. Ended up graduating with my class because I wrote a letter to get back in. And the end of the letter was, the ghosts of dishonesty shall never haunt me again. this was this was like i did a creative writing assignment right i did a whole thing got back in they weren't going to put it on my transcripts but i decided that i'm going to tell the colleges that i cheated and got expelled and the lessons that i learned and it was the greatest thing i had done because i got into all the schools because of the writing but the ghost of dishonesty did haunt me again in humanities in college but but i argued my way out of that one and I I came out on top. But yeah, I guess for you guys, like how great you turned out.

I mean, obviously, Johnny, you went through your shit, you know, and what would you attribute that to? Honestly, like your childhood, you know, seemed like it was a good one. Obviously, you know, when someone looks at addiction, which I can say that I have, I call it like a lower. case a addiction like you know I have that and there's certain aspects of my life not alcohol although I am trying to cut down because I feel like I'm drinking too much I'm actually listening to this Alan Carr book like how to cut down on drinking you know yeah but so where did that where do you think that stemmed from well I think there you know there's a few different elements to the answer. First of all, I mean, I definitely believe that addiction is

partially hereditary and it's like rampant in our family. And we're a fortunate group. Our family, a lot of us are sober. My dad, I think is 33 years. My uncle Chad is 20 plus. I had good role models, but I also had addiction in my blood. And yeah, I think, I mean, look, To speak to what you were saying, you know, I think it's a good sort of lesson that whatever someone's life looks like isn't always the case. I mean, we were raised so well and we were afforded so many privileges, as Matthew said, but that didn't mean I wasn't dealing with my own stuff. And I think, you know, something that I'm sure you can relate to is when people ask you, you know, what it's like to grow up with. a parent in the spotlight or around that. There's a lot of fun stuff to it and there's a lot of shitty stuff to it too.

And I think people don't tend to not recognize the stuff that sucks about it. It's a lot of inherent insecurities and, you know, distrust in relationships and, you know, a lack of attention that you crave as a young person. And I think a lot of that was baked into the reasons why I was self-medicating for a long time. But they were good parents. I'll end it with that. They did a good job. No, 100 percent, dude.

100 percent. Like, I totally can relate to what you're saying. It's not about them being bad parents in any way. It's just the circumstances of our lives, of your life, you know. Yeah. And it's interesting, you know, you talk about the addiction gene or just how we're made up because, Matt, you experienced similar same exact upbringing, but some of us are sort of more inclined or more sensitive and it just seeps in there a little bit deeper and it can get to our, you know, can get to our heart in a sense. Yeah, I got lucky and didn't get the quote unquote addictive gene in the self-medicating through, you know, drugs or alcohol or anything, but I definitely had the effects of growing up the way we did

take root in my personality and in the way that I hold myself in other ways that I only really learned about the root causes of that later in life when I started to get into self, my own self work after seeing the successes that Johnny and my dad have had in 12-step programs where I was like, okay, well, maybe there's a version of this that I can go do for myself that would just help me understand my own character and who I am as a person as a man outside of like my family unit. Mm-hmm. What would you say, you know, your, your pitfalls are, Matt, you know, I mean, I'm going

back to you, Johnny, because I want to keep talking about this, but like, yeah, Matt, we're, you know, we know, we've, we know each other. We haven't gotten deep. You know, we've talked about fucking white seabast and yellow tail. We haven't gotten deep, deep, deep. Cots and halibat. Cots and halibate. Some halibet, right.

But how are you fucked up? Yeah, I mean, look, I think for me, I saw very early that it was always like, oh, you're Roblo's son or oh, your dad's so cool. What's that like? What's it like? I was like, you know, it's great. It's cool. I love him.

But I'm Matthew Lowe. Like, let's bring the conversation back to me. And I think that was a little bit of the reason why I said, you know, what, I'm going to go outside of the family business. I'm going to do something completely different and make a name for myself where I know that any successes I have career-wise are because of my own merit and what I did for myself. And I think that goes back to a deeper thing of just self-confidence and really trying to understand who I am as a person outside of the family. And I think that that was something growing up that I lacked was a really, really

hardcore sense of self. I mean, I knew I was, but I always knew that it was a little less than some of my peers. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then that just sort of can take hold and snowball insecurity. Yeah. For sure. And I, you know, at 30 years old, look back and I'm like, okay, I definitely see it, and I see where I started to separate from it and become the healthy version of myself that I am today. And, you know, I look back and say, it's crazy where I was then versus am now, but I wouldn't have had it any other way because I couldn't be happier with the version of myself that I am at 30 years old. Of course, dude. I mean, you know, that self-reflection is so huge. I suffer from major,

or anxiety like back in my 20s started and I'm sure it started well before that but you know I'm on lexapro and I'm you know fucking yeah just trying to like get through the day I feel like I feel like everyone is on something these days man yeah and I think it's less about that I think it's more about technology society the world used to be so much smaller it's now so interconnected everyone knows everyone else's business you only see the best parts of people's lives out there you don't see their inner struggle so everything looks like peachy and perfect and it's just it's a very different world now growing up johnny because both of you guys were just because your dad you know was in recovery and was sober how was he how did he deal with alcohol you know and weed

even growing up and i only ask that because you know my son's 16 and he's you know he he drinks you know i'm not saying he drinks at home but of course he's going to go to a party he's and have like a you know some vodka shots or or whatever and smoke weed and you know i mean this is just what kids do you know how did dad handle that i think he was he did his best i mean he was sensitive to it for sure uh they were sensitive my my parents were both and my mom has addiction on her side as well uh and she was affected by you know in both of her parents and so they were really sensitive. They kept a pretty close eye on it.

And I think, you know, to be perfectly honest, I think I had a drug and alcohol counselor by the time I was 15 years old. Is that because you were drinking? You were partaking? I was definitely drinking a lot. Yeah. Yeah, I'll say this, that our experiences were different.

And I think from at that point, you could tell that the consumption was a little bit different. between the two of us. Give me an idea, because like when you're 15 or 16, right, like, what are you consuming? I think it was, it's more so the effects. Like, like, we would both go out to a party and Matthew would come home, tipsy or undrunk, and I would be blacked out. Like, everything I was, I was like stumbling in, making a mess in the kitchen,

passed out in the pantry. Yeah, I mean, I don't remember a time when Johnny would, like, touch it, be like, I'm having one drink. It was, if I'm drinking, I'm blacked out. Mm-hmm. Yeah. To this day, I'd still say that. I'm like, I'm never going to go back to it.

But if I did, I'd block out. I don't see the reason why you wouldn't. And that's why I'm sober. I don't understand why you wouldn't do that. Like, it doesn't mean. I'm the guy out here that, you know, when I go out on a date with my girlfriend, I'll have, like, one espresso martini. sip it throughout the meal and be like that was great i'm good i used to get so mad at him too i'd be

like you're not fucking drinking right man you got to right we got to go if you're gonna do it do it right yeah yeah yeah oh my god dude i uh yeah uh yeah johnny i know i know what you're talking about it's like what's the point of two drinks i i never understood it i'll stay home i'll stay home yeah i don't i don't eat you go out The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy cheesement. Terrible love advice.

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for this new season of Family Secrets. Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But what was it like growing up as brothers going through, were you tight, first of all? Were you guys tight? Yeah, we're only two years apart. We shared friend groups and went to the same high school. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys would party together and go out together and. Yeah. And it did. Did you, Matt, were you ever like, dude, you got to chill, you know, or were you just? So many times. Did you realize he might have had an issue or were you like, did you just get too drunk?

Or you're like, you got a problem. At first it was like, oh, man, like he's really partying. This is funny. And then it got, as we got old, okay, this is going to become a problem. And then it progressed to this is a problem. But I was cognizant enough to understand that after so many times of having. helping someone they have to want to help themselves right and it was like okay it's just my job to make sure that I can get you to that point alive that you want to help yourself and you did

you got to that point yeah and how did that happen for you Johnny well yeah I mean I definitely think it's it's it's a resounding truth and recovery that you no one else can get you sober you know you have to want it yourself um for me it was And I think this is, you know, a tenant to recovery is like a lot of it was something greater than me. You know, I feel like I can only take so much responsibility. It was, I believe, in a higher power. And I think that mine specifically was looking out for me on the day I decided to stop

drinking. But, you know, more tangibly, I was depleting my body over time. I was really messed up. I was, you know, in and out of hospitals. And I'm super fortunate that my bottom wasn't as low as it could have been, but it was pretty low. I tell a lot of newcomers this, like, so much of recognizing the problem is recognizing how you feel, how drinking makes you feel.

Because everybody wants to get in to the tangibles. How many drinks, if I'm having this many drinks this way, week am I an alcoholic if I get drunk that well you know if I don't drink alone I never drink alone but I did and I'm always like I don't that's irrelevant to me because it takes so many different shapes and sizes it's always it always boils down to are you a different person when you drink and does it make you feel good and truth I felt like shit I knew it didn't make me feel good and I was definitely a different person and so it was like just a modicum of self-aware awareness mixed with you know right place right time spiritually and was it that moment you know

because did you have that moment that bottom moment when it's like dude i i can't do this anymore yeah i mean what's funny it's a funny story i i think it's a good lesson like i was i had wanted to be sober for years i was making there's a term for it i love it's called like uh like bunker concessions with yourself where you're like bunkered up in your head and you're like okay i'm gonna get I was 21. I was like, I'm going to get sober at 25. That's my cutoff. And then a couple weeks go by of just misery.

And you're like, all right, I'll get sober at 22. I don't know. A couple more weeks go by and you're like, I'm just going to fucking make it through college. I don't, I'm not going to get sober at college. And it gets, that, that margin gets smaller and smaller with more misery. And then I was in Cabo on spring break with my fraternity, which is a great, you know, that's, you're going to fuck your life. Yeah, right.

And I was, like, in a hospital. I thought it was so cool that I, like, went straight from the hospital out to Squid Row and, like, cut my hospital band off. You know, at this point, it's entertaining to nobody except myself. You were in the hospital in Cabo. Yeah, I drank myself into a stupor and ended up in the hospital there. Okay. I was on the flight home, and I was like, I'm done. I'm done.

and I landed and I remember I went to drinks with Matthew and my dad's agent Richard whites and I was like I was done in my head I landed and got hammered at this dinner and then I was like all right I'm done and this was probably a Thursday I drink every night that weekend going like that's it that's it that's it just going balls to the wall and then finally that Sunday I was like okay I can't do this I don't know what done means so I literally went to my parents And I was like, I don't know, I don't know what I'm doing, but I don't want to be doing it anymore. So that was the moment. But it's fascinating to me that like even when I was finished, and I was really, I could feel it.

I couldn't, I couldn't figure out how to stop doing it. I needed help. I remember a moment where I was like, oh, he is so. Oh, shit. The end is coming. When you told me, you were at Stanford, you're like, yeah, I have a bottle of Titos under my bed. And if it gets a fourth of the way empty, I get anxiety that it's going to be, that I need to go get more. And I was like, oh, dude, this kid is, this kid needs it.

I don't even remember that's, I mean, I definitely remember. I would, I think it was, I think it was post, uh, breaking your wrist on a scooter. Oh, yeah. I broke my wrist on the air clothes. I fell down a flight of stairs, really messed up, broke my wrist, slept on it, went, went to, I woke up with a very broken wrist and was like, I remember getting my friends and my fraternity being like, you guys got to take me to hospital. And they were like, all right, but we got to stop at Phil's coffee on the way there. I was like, hell yeah, we're going to stuff for coffee.

They're still messed up. And yeah, I told my parents I fell off a scooter and they believed it for years. In fact, I think they only, only like a year or two ago did I tell them the truth. That's so funny. Well, how did you got, Matt, how did you, I know you said there's only so much you can do. You know, I mean, you have to let whoever it is that you love who's in that kind of pain and misery find their own bottom and then, you know, seek help for themselves. But as a brother, as someone who, you know, who you love, not knowing how to sort of push him to anything and letting him figure out himself, what did that relationship look like, you know, because did you just go along sort of like as normal brothers or was it like, you know, and similar with your parents too, Johnny, I know, your dad probably. probably was under the same, had the same idea of like, well, he needs to find it himself.

But was he aware of the severity? Yeah, I think they were aware of it. You know, the way that I took things was there were certain things that I was okay with partaking in with him, which I probably should know by knowing it how much of a problem it was. And then there were certain things where it got too much where I was like, okay, like I can step in here and be like, no. and then it was a lot of just the nitty gritty of if he's super blacked out like getting him home or just making sure he's not going to like throw up in his sleep or something like that

when it got to that point and then I kind of got saved personally by him going to college and being like okay well he's going to do what he's going to do in college and like he has fraternity of brothers and it'll be fine and good but you know I actually I was, I was hopeful.

He's got Pratt brothers. He's going to be just. Yeah, maybe that's too much. Just an utter condemnation like, it'll be good. There's anything I trust an alcoholic with it's fraternity. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, maybe my fraternity was a little different. I also think, though, that we were pretty lucky and unlucky in that,

we partied pretty hard in high school. So I was like, okay, I think he's got the worst out of his system, man. And I made sure he was good then. And I was probably different for him than it was for me. But I know at least for me, when I got to college, I mellowed out as opposed to going hard. And I don't know about you, Johnny, but that was the case with me. I mean, I think it was less, high school was more about trying new things and taking risks. And in college, I'd figured out how I liked to get messed up.

So I was like, the world of it wasn't as big, but the amount of damage I was doing was was equal for sure. And then when you talk about misery, you know, because you're like, you were just miserable, miserable, miserable, miserable. You know, I mean, when I drink, I'm not, right? Even if I drink, you know, a thousand drinks, I'm happy and it's fun and I like it. you know you're miserable the next day but when you speak about misery are you even talking about in the moment of drinking it's miserable it was miserable or like the hangover you know

no yeah no it's definitely not just the hangover because that that that that's physical no it's yeah yeah no it's the because it's the intentions behind why you're drinking too a lot of it's like masking pain and and you know so if you're self-medicating then then it's not fun and I wasn't present it wasn't like let's go out to a bar with you know friends and have good times I was like let's that those were just the circumstances for me I was like yes I will be at a bar with friends but it's not about that it's about how fast can I get blackout drunk so that I don't have to feel the way I'm feeling right now and it's just you know I think at its simplest form it's like I wasn't happy with myself I wasn't happy with the way I was navigating

life or who I was and alcohol was how I chose to medicate that but you learn in recovery that like when I stopped drinking that didn't fix the problem that just took a you know the immediate danger of a way I was trying to fix a problem the problem was you know insecurity ego stuff and and through a journey of self-awareness I have you know patched those problems but but quitting drinking wasn't like i wasn't like i'm done things are right right well then you're you know it's almost a symptom you know of something deeper right and then translating that into what you do you're an actor you know producer actor you do all your stuff right around and you're working with your dad and all your solo stuff as well but when you're getting into this business and and you talk

about insecurity and self-esteem you know how did that play out for you or how does that play out for you as an actor your dad being who he is you know because and again i ask questions from experience yeah um everyone you know i'm happy of my career it's been amazing right i've made a lot of money um i've been on tv shows for many years i've been leads and blah blah blah people would kill for my career who were trying to be actors but i've got goldie hon i got kurt russell i've got kate hudson and then I've got Wyatt now, my brother who's just crushing it. I've always felt like a black sheep, and it's always just self-imposed, you know. There's an insecurity, there's a self-esteem issue.

There is, am I good enough? Am I as good as my family? Are people looking at me like, oh, he's the worst one? I mean, these are all catastrophizing, you know, and creating a narrative. Do you have, did you have any of that? Fuck yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah.

I still have it. It's all about learning how to deal with it in a healthy way. I think it would be, you know, I think anyone's lying if they say they don't have that in some regard. I don't think even people with, you know, from a background of nepotism or connections don't have it. You always have it. There's always, it's an illness of comparison.

Right. Exactly. Perspective. And I talk about it a lot with my friends, you know, I have a lot of creative friends. and if I'm having a bad day, I wake up, I'm having a bad day where I'm not centered and plugged into the healthy stuff, then I'll find anything. It doesn't need, that's the truth of it.

And that's honestly what brings me peace is it doesn't even need to be about my dad. It could be that my best friend just booked this huge role that I bought it. And then I go, what the fuck am I doing with my life? So. Just like me. It's just like me, dude. Like, everyone asks the question, like, are you, do you have an, envy of, you know, your peers are jealous.

I'm like, yeah. Everyone says they don't and they're all fucking lying. I'm like, yeah. Even if it's a female who I have no competition. I'm like, how come I can't do that? How come I'm not getting that? I'm not even in your guys' industry and I have that with my peers as well who, I'm like, why is that guy doing this?

Man, it's a universal feeling. Yeah, it's definitely, I think it's healthy to feel like that. I think it's healthy to know to allow yourself to feel that and then not ruminate in it. That's the difference. But, you know, specifically there's stuff with my dad. I think that was something I had to tackle early on in my career once I had to figure out I was going to work in entertainment. And I, here's the truth is I choose to look at it now. We're on a show together.

We do, you know, we're both executive producers on it. We're both co-creators. you know he's not a writer but he right this is the one you're on now right yeah this is on what's it what's it called give a little pluggy plug yeah it's on it's called unstable it's on Netflix the first season is out the second season comes out um soon i'm not sure if we've already set our release date or not um so i don't know what i'm allowed to say by the way sorry to sorry to interrupt because i want to keep going but like how great is it though to be able to work with your father fuck about nepotism

Fuck about it. Fuck insecurity. Fuck if you're great or you're not great. At the end of the day, when we're dying on our deathbeds, what are we looking at? For me personally, I'm not looking at awards,

honestly. I'm looking at my children. I'm looking at experiences. For you to be able to have that experience of working with your father, creating something in a field that you both love. I mean, you can't get better than that. It's so sick.

I'm trying to convince my mother to do it. I'm like, just do a show with me. Yeah. You know, and we're trying to find something. You took the words out of my mouth, truthfully. I was going to say that the healthy place I've come to with it is like, as sad of a statement as is, like, when he's gone, I'll have this. Like, this is forever. I'll get to look back and go like, oh, my God, we shared all of those moments together.

That is so special. So many people don't have that. And if I can focus on that, the rest of the stuff. Stuff is just noise. It's just bullshit. Mm-hmm. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in.

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your podcast. On a day-to-day, do you guys work well together? Yeah, yeah, we do. I know, I feel for being like, and it's so special and I'm like, yeah. Right, so like, I fucking hate him. This guy is directing me the horribly.

Look, we have very similar taste, which makes it easy so you know when we're doing things off camera it's very copacetic I would say when we butt heads is is when we're acting together and he's very opinionated

and I think I know he just wants the best for me it can be frustrating at times just I mean the show is about our relationship and it's a it's a give what's your little elevator pitch on it i haven't watched i have i have a quick little tidbit and johnny you haven't even heard this one i recently came into contact with someone in the netflix ecosystem who worked on works with or on unstable i won't reveal anymore and i was like

how is it working with johnny and rob and they're like oh my god they're the best like they're both so sweet they're so nice um your dad he is such a legend he's so great and he's like the most interesting nice human being because he'll be super super nice and then he'll say with a smile on his face something to you and you realize that he's actually telling you that you just did something very wrong but he's smiling and he's so nice about it and i was like yeah that checks out and like and johnny has never done anything like that he's super sweet to be around and very great i'm like yeah that sounds about their working relationship yeah that's that's that's accurate um the show is basically a dad who's a larger than life character

who society loves. He's beloved and it's a son who does not see what the rest of the world sees in him and is forced to be plugged into his orbit and can't escape his shadow, which is something I think a lot of us can relate to. Dude, that's great. It's just taking themes that I'm sure you guys can relate to. I mean, I'm just based on your themes and just putting it into sort of a different, you know, scenario, I guess, you know. It was literally born.

This is a true story. I was writing on a show. He was on 9-1-1-long-bar. I wrote on that show for four years, and I was losing my mind, working in proximity to him. And I would call my reps every week and be like, I'd be like the, you know, the least cool NEPO kid that's ever existed. This box. Right. they were like yeah they would like laugh and they were like this is funny you should write a show about it and then I did it and then I'll never forget the first week on set I called them having a mental breakdown literally and I was like what did I do I this was the problem and now I work in even closer proximity to him every day yeah so what's what's the hang up you know what I mean like when you're on 911 and you're like this is too fucking torture right now is it just because

he's too opinionated meaning like he is too much he inserts himself too much rather than you do your thing I'm over here it's not it's really the problem isn't him because I didn't have to spend that much time with him on that project to be right only when I covered set

for my episodes it was being in his orbit and that's why the show is about that you don't even need to be next to the person for it to get under your skin like I'm yeah got it for you you you know, the worst moments aren't them. It's the projection of the person you're trying to get away from.

So it's like, you know, you walking into a room where you're feeling comfortable. It's a day where you're feeling good about yourself. And some guy walks up to you and goes like, so-and-so, son, right? Ah, yeah, that's who you are. I knew I knew you from somewhere. Ah, he's great. Isn't he great? And you go like, oh, I'm invisible.

Yeah, yeah. It's invisible to you. You don't even talk to me. Dude, I'm so careful. from that like that's been my you know life uh you're so and so son you're kate hudson's brother you're this you're that you know i'm always someone's i'm so self-deprecating and that's how i deal with you know the potential pain or the barbs you know i i'll use self-deprecation humor to get me through whatever insecurities i might be feeling you know yeah i'm the same

way I think I joined the club yeah yeah yeah yeah my comedy to to that almost entirely like that was such an escape the thing is to people listening you know the opinions of most is like oh what the fuck do you all you guys have to be complaining about you know you had rob low as a father and you had golly hunter car rustles this like what is your problem like I get that shit all the comments and stuff all the time and I hate it and I hate no comments because I don't give a shit about what people think for the most part but this idea that uh just because you come from a place of privilege that you can't be fucked up or have issues or even issues within being in that place of privilege you know having to live up to or living in a world where you are invisible

because of where you come from you know it just drives me crazy that people can't understand that the human experience, you know, and the negative human experience or the things that we go through as humans can only exist if you are sort of of a struggled upbringing and, you know what I mean?

Like, it drives me a little nutty. I, I often. Because we have fear of talking about it sometimes and I've let it go. That's right. You know, that's, it's a scary place to be in when you're like genuinely feeling down about something and you know like oh if i bring this up it's going to make the problem that's frustrating me twice as bad

but yeah that's that's why it's all about working on in here you know i can't just can't listen it's such a cliche but like i can't let what's going on out there affect what's going on in here And that's so much easier to have said than done. Yeah, that's another one of like the great pieces of advice that I don't think is a rob-ism because it's a general one, but that he said to me very early on and stuck with me is don't compare your insides to someone else's outsides. And that's one where the more that you can keep that at heart, the much happier and healthier person you'll be. It's a great, great little line. I've never heard that.

I love that. Yeah. Because comparison is it. That's a killer. And by the way, when I do actually feel genuinely happy for someone, it feels so good that I will even sometimes get emotional that I feel genuinely happy for someone. It's like, it's so narcissistic. But I'm like, oh, my God, I feel real elation for this person. I'm like, oh, my God, why do I feel emotional that I feel happy?

Because I've switched. Because in that moment, I don't feel that pessimism, that fucking poison. you know that is envy and i'm actually feeling happy and good for somebody you know yeah um so did your dad direct you oh fuck yeah yeah yeah so this it's like it's like he's like yeah because that would drive me fucking no he'll give me he'll give me line readings no way line readings yeah he'll do he's oh man yeah they're you know it's baked into the DNA of the show. That's amazing.

His character, Ellis and my character, Jackson, have the same dynamic that Rob and I have. So, you know, we'll be literally acting a scene where the dialogue is, example, you know, Ellis is telling Jackson, you know, your posture is not helping your height. You're already short as it is. So if you just get a little straighter, it would help. And I'm like, I don't need your advice 24-7.

Director calls cut. Literally, it's like, cut. My dad comes up to me. like, why are you wearing pastels today? It blows you out, man. You have a really pale color and, like, it's not going to be good for you on 10. And I'm like, are you fucking with me right now?

And sometimes I genuinely believe he's miagging me. Like, he's getting worked up. So then in the next scene, I'm like, you know, and then he's, good job. But he will direct me. He'll give me line readings. He does it all. He's a force. That is fun.

Well, it's an amazing the relationship that you guys have. I think it's such an important one, you know, not just father, sons, but just parents in general. And I know we didn't talk much

about your mom, but, you know, it goes without saying probably what an incredible human being. She is, you know.

She's the grounding force of the family. Oh, without a doubt. She's the powerhouse. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah.

She's, she's Oz. You know what I mean? She's doing all the shit. At the end of the day, my dad held no power in our house. Right. Which I love, which is great, you know. But I think that as a dad and, you know, talking to you guys and learning about your relationship with your father and honestly how candid you are and open you are about talking about him.

It's really refreshing. You know, I'm trying to be the best dad that I can to my kids. It's my number one priority. It's my true legacy. You know, that's the only thing we're really going to leave behind are our seeds. If we do have kids, everything else will go away. But that lineage will continue on, hopefully. And so that's all I care about is trying to make them good people and loving them and hoping they love me.

You know, because I can get completely insecure when I feel like my teenager doesn't love me. Now, this is my own psychology, you know what I mean? Because I'm just like, oh, fuck. Like, does he not love me? the way I love him. But it's really cool to watch how you guys as older men now have that special bond with your dad. You know, it's pretty great.

Yeah, and it's interesting, too, because we're now at the stage where both of us are working with him in very different ways, and we each get to have, like, this adult relationship that we didn't once have and see him beyond the father and also just the person that he is. So it's been a really interesting, interesting dynamic. Are you guys still super, super close, you boys? I mean, you see each other all the time? Yeah, we live like 15, 20 minutes away from each other. So you're both in L.A.

Yeah. Sweet. Okay, one more question. It's kind of a two-parter and then we'll get out of here. So if you could take something from your brother, or something that you admire about him, something that you don't have that you wish you had, what would that be?

And the second part is if you could alleviate something that you knew would make their lives a little bit better, what would that be? I would go with, if I could take something from him, to add to me would be that I'm the type of person where social, like large social settings or big social settings drains my battery, and for him it recharges his,

I would like to have more of that. And then if I could alleviate something from you, maybe the, you know, the comparing yourself to others within your peer group because I know that you do that a ton. And I do that too, but not to the extent that you do. That's a good question. What would I say?

steal from Matthew. Yeah. But part of his soul would you just fucking rip out to take for yourself? I think no, I admire,

I think Matthew doesn't need as much praise for his work as I do. Like he's comfortable moving in the shadows and I think that that's a valuable tool to

have I need a lot of Pat's on the back so I think I would steal that from him it's so funny because Pat's on the back I never feel like it's genuine because I'm so like I could be so like self-loathing

I don't even want to hear it like great scene or like you were amazing or whatever I'm like eh don't fucking say that I don't take it well but if I don't hear it I'm like oh I suck Oh, dude, totally. I used to do this shit where it's changed since I've been acting for a million years now,

and I've let it all go, honestly. But back when I was starting out, when I'm saying goodbye to the creators or whatever, you know, just for the days over, did they say good job? And then I see them talking to another actor like, dude, you were incredible in that scene. I'm like, oh, my God, I got none of that. I got none of that. Yeah, and it means we're the worst people in the play. Exactly.

I'm like, they hate me. They hate me. I'm like, not only that I do bad work, they think I'm a, bad person. Right, an asshole. Like everyone hates I know. I'm sorry. So yeah, I get that. I would take that from him and then

what would I choose to what does it take place? Like alleviate, you know what I mean? Like a stressor or I would say you know I think

Matthew is a tendency to be there's a you were talking about it like a lack of self identity that I think is connected to perhaps you know subconscious confidence and I would I would fill that tank up for you I would say like you are doing perfectly perfectly fine if not you know whatever word you want to use great and I would say like kick back a little bit and and pat yourself on the back there you got it I love it well thank you guys this was rad I mean I really appreciate it thanks for being open thanks for talking like this you know it's good shit and I'm available to do an arc or a guest spot on the show I have no I have no job but you know I'm pretty good I think

you just have to be comfortable with my dad giving you line readings that's fine that's fine I can play his like brother or something on the show or he'd be so you know as brother on the show here's the pitch and and uh you know i always thought i was the more handsome one and so now it's like a handsome off i'm like well you know i like that you know as a writer i i feel like i'm entitled to say that that that will be season three there you go no i think it could be i think it could be good where he he doesn't want me to come because he he thinks that i'm more handsome than him and he's like i don't know he's he can't make it you know you have to be the one that calls Chad to tell him you're playing Rob's handsome brother.

Chad was great because he was on our podcast and I said, Chad, I mean, you know, were you jealous? He goes, fuck yeah. Like, my brother's this. He's making money. He's hot. He's a star. He goes, fuck yeah.

I was jealous. First one on our show, because I asked a question to all the siblings who are movie stars or whoever. I'm always like, well, were you envious of his career or her career? And I was like, no, I was very supportive. Chad was the first and only to be like, uh, yeah. That's the honest answer right there. Of course, and I loved it.

I'm like, thank you, dude. Yeah. No, Chad's the man. Chad's the best. He is. He's awesome, dude. My parting thing, Oliver, is maybe you can be the one to get Johnny to go fishing with us. Let's do it, dude.

We can just do a bay cruise. Yeah. I'm a fair weather fisherman. I need like all the amenities. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a 70-foot Viking. So there's like, yeah, that's perfect.

Okay, perfect. All right, maybe I'll see. All right, cool. Well, thank you guys. Appreciate it. Matt, maybe I'll see you tomorrow. Let's talk later. Let's do it.

All right, guys. Bye. Wow, that was great. It's funny, I get lost in these conversations, you know. I always like to inject my own shit into it, I think, because sometimes I get nervous about asking the questions that might make someone uncomfortable even though that's kind of what makes a good interview you know that's what howard stern does so well but i think that if i can relate on these topics sort of maybe opens the door a little bit um of course i risk i'm risking a lot here you guys i am i'm risking a lot going

solo because i don't have kate to sort of you know put me back on the rails but maybe that's an okay thing. Anyway, I will I'll talk to you guys next time. If you like Oliver Hudson, a.k.a. the Hudson Express. Hit the subscribe button and you know, just push the likes. Or, I don't know. I don't even know

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