Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Kevin and Michael Bacon (The Bacon Brothers)

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

Kevin and Michael Bacon, a.k.a. The Bacon Brothers, join Kate and Oliver on this week's episode of "Sibling Revelry." They talk about growing up in a household that valued creativity, their relationship to their father's fame, when they started the band, their musical influences and more. They also discuss their latest album and there might even be a live performance. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Coors Light, Butcher Box, and Honey.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Judeyce. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Rolls Star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana, maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me. I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent. This is a combo you don't want to miss.

Listen to Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling Ravelry.

Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory. That's good. Oliver, this was a dream for me. I just want to say right off the bat. Kevin and Michael Bacon, the Bacon Brothers. I was so excited about this because

Kevin Bacon always feels like, I don't know. I mean, he's clearly iconic. He's timeless. Yeah, and he's times. He looks so fucking good. He looks great. I just want all the ladies out there and men to know. The guy.

And cool. Like, he's got this swag about him that is like. Even tempered. And I was, I mean, listen, Kira is Sedgwick is a, Lucky lady, although I have a feeling he's as lucky, if not more lucky, than she is. Because she seems pretty cool herself. Cool couple, you know, one of the ones that they did it, you know what I mean? It's not easy to do it in Hollywood and they did it.

And then his brother, too, I loved, I loved, you know, seeing what that relationship was. And even though Kevin is sort of the famous one, they are in this band together. They've been in this band for 20 plus years. but there's this you feel the weight of the older brother like you just he's got that thing you know what I mean and you can see Kevin sort of

looking up to him you know it's sort of how you look up to me you know you know it's so funny I'm not going to ruin this because it's such a great moment in the episode and really I want the episode to come out and then I'm going to post it

on on to people can see it but he the brother did do something that really warmed me um and i don't even want to get into what it was i think people will know but it it it is typical of a brother that is that much older has memories that's different when you're like you and i like we probably forgot most of our i mean we have like certain memories that happen when we were younger together but we really only remember kind of high school years more thorough Whereas Michael can really remember Kevin Young. And so anyway, there was a moment that just, I mean, it just, it tickled my heart.

I know. It just tickled my heart. So they have a new album. It's called The Way We Love. And it came out in quarantine this summer. I immediately could hear the influences. And it's the first thing I asked them when we interviewed them. That was good.

I immediately knew that we would connect on liking similar types of music. Right. Without ruining it, Katie pulled out a band that was like not the most popular band in the whole entire world. You know, and she just hit it right on the money with what their influence was, or at least, I mean, it was pretty impressive, honestly. Yeah, I think they got to, I think they got a tickle out of that. But, but yeah, I could hear it. and I really enjoy their album. It's a really nice album to listen to.

And they have a really fun song called British Invasion, which I just got a great kind of poppiness to it. And honestly, I miss hearing bands. I miss hearing music that's recorded live and more raw. And so it's just fun to listen to them. And you could feel the fun that they have making music. And to me, that's what making music. Oh, yeah.

And how passionate. They are about music, you know? They're really, it's in their, it's in their blood. But you know what's all so crazy? I spent the whole week before, like, in Aspen, literally feeling like the girl in footloose. Like, I was wearing these outfits. And then I was walking and I sort of, all of a sudden was like, oh, remember her walk?

And I started like, she had this, like, kind of like, hey, I'm sexy walk, you know? Who was the actress in it? Oh, God. Hold on. Lori. Hey, Siri. Who was the main act? Actress in Footloose.

Look at Lori Singer. Lori Singer. Hot. Anyway, you guys are going to love this one. The Bacon Brothers. You're going to absolutely love it and so happy that it came on.

And so please enjoy Michael and Kevin Bacon. I'm so excited to have you guys on our show, and Kevin, I'm sure you get this all the time, but, like, clearly you're one of the first men that I ever had a crush on screen, because, you know. Clearly, why is that clearly? Well, what do you mean? What do you mean? Every girl around my age, Footloose was like, it's a big one.

Yeah, before we get started, I just want to say that I've had a crush on Mike since he, you know, I just, Just to even it out, make that clear since I was a kid. Okay, good. I've been listening to your record and loving it. And I actually was thinking, you know, do you guys listen? Do you love the Jayhawks? Do you know the Jayhawks? Go ahead, Mike.

I do. I love them. Yeah, because I could feel it. Well, they love harmonies. One of the things that's really great of the Jayhawks is they have such incredibly high voices, and they're both tenors. And if you're, you go through life of baritone, you get really jealous of people like that. But their harmonies are beautiful.

They're very, they kind of don't try to make things sound like they're not. Yeah. You know, they're, I think, I would say if I'm going to draw a line, I'll go from the band through the Jayhawks to our band. There you go. That's a good one. The band, you know, the, I would have felt all of those influences for sure. But, but I mean, come on, aren't you impressed that I, that I caught onto that?

Yeah, I mean, that's honestly, that's one of my brother's favorite band. I am amazing. That is amazing. That was right on the money, I've got to say. I've never actually heard them, but I hear they're good. Oh, I love the Jayhawks.

The Jayhawks remind me of, like, traveling around the, you know, country and stuff. And the harmonies of Mark Olson and Gary Louris, because Gary Louris still has the band, and I'm not sure Mark Olson has been in it since, like, the 90s, but those early harmonies are, so beautiful and they're so you know and they're not perfect

they're not auto tuned I mean they're they're real you really hear the nuance of their voices together and their imperfections which is what makes it's just so beautiful well let me ask you guys a question do you ever think there'll be another musical revile music revolution meaning where music is

truly reflecting the times and it actually means something you know you go back into the 60s and even beyond and music really meant something nowadays can we even get back to that place again do you think um i don't know you know i guess um i think it's going to really be a question of of what people's taste is and and the truth is that it's always fun i think to you know to wish for the golden

years and but the truth is is that the music business has always been a business just like the acting business has always been a business. And it's been kind of driven by what it is that people want, you know, and what they're willing to pay for. Certainly when the things have changed a lot because of digital and because of streaming. And I mean, the thing that I kind of pine for is something that you touched on, Kate, which is a little bit less perfection if possible. because we have so many tools now to make things so perfect. And, you know, it's from autotune to, you know, electronic drums to, you know, all those kinds of things. That to listen things that are a little bit less than perfect, I think, is kind of refreshing.

And I think that there's a chance that things might sort of slide that way again, you know. You don't hear a lot of, certainly don't hear a lot of what sound like live drums or kind of unsampled drums to me in pop music. And that's been going on for really a pretty long time, you know. And I could see people going back in another direction just in terms of that. Yeah, I mean, you think back to what, 10 years ago and everything was live recorded. I mean, everyone was still recording live in a room, you know. there's not that many bands that even do that anymore. And it was so nice to listen to you guys writing music,

and I know that you say that it's not your day job, right? How long have you been doing it? No, it's my day job. It's your day job. It's Michael's day job. And I do never think of music as fun. Just haven't. You know, I've been a professional musician really for, God, almost 50 years.

And it's always a struggle every day. And if one thing starts to go easy, you can make sure something's going to take their place and be hard. But the thing I love about music is that no matter how long you do it, you're always learning. I mean, Kevin and I, if I look back when we started the band 25 years ago, his skills and my skills are just light years ahead now of what they were. And as long as that keeps going, the songs are better. We're better instrumentally. The production's better. The band is better.

the gigs are better. You know, it's a life work, and, you know, we've kind of proved that you can do it for a long time without a hit record. So you guys played music as kids as well, correct? Yeah, I should just go over our rather unusual family household that we were brought up. And our mother was a social activist. Our father was a city planner. And they were really not very good musicians, but they absolutely love music.

And my father was trained as an architect on our little house on Locust Street. The entire first floor was basically set up to listen to music. The speakers were all the way in the kitchen. It was like an open loft. There was an 18-inch Jensen subwoofer and an Altec Lansing horn. This was a mono in those days. And then when you went to the living room, there was a little box next to you built in where all the controls were.

So our house was so full of music. all the time. And when they would put the FM radio on, when I was upstairs on the second floor, I mean, I just, these sounds wafting up the stairway, everything that I do in music comes back to those days. When I'm working and putting my hat on as a composer, if I need to write something, it's like a faucet. It's just unlimited. And I give our parents a lot of credit for bringing Kevin and I, plus our four sisters up in the skinny little house in the middle of Philadelphia and pretty much gave me everything I needed that I'm, you know, working from now. Amazing. And did you guys start playing music together as kids? Well, I mean, Michael's nine

years older than me. So he was playing music a lot. So I grew up listening to him play. You want to do what your what your older brother does you know and um so i started to uh you know try to write songs in my head and and i would come up with these lyrics and come up with these melodies and i didn't play an instrument but partly because i really i sort of tried like i think i got a trumpet back in those days of public school you know they'd give you an instrument you'd say they give you a recorder first and then after you you got the recorder you could say okay i want to flute or a clarinet or whatever and I got a I can't remember it was a trumpet or a coronet but basically thing and I opened it up and it was cool and it was all brass and it had a certain

kind of smell and stuff and I blew it a couple of times and I never picked it up again and I realized that learning to play an instrument was like really fucking hard and that it was going to take all this kind of practice time that I didn't I wasn't really into you know I really wasn't one of those people that was at that age willing to stay in my room and hunker down on anything, you know, including school or anything. And so I kind of was like, oh, I can't really be a musician. Plus, my brother is being a musician and my sister is being a musician. And I think that my mom, you know, probably had sort of carved that out for them a little bit, you know,

like the message probably was you should probably stay away from that and you know by the time I was probably eight Michael was already a very skilled cello player and played the oba played the banjo played

guitar had bands with my sister and that was he was like the whole thing so when I would sing these songs to him I finally got the courage to sing him a song and the words and the melody, instead of going,

you stuck to a 12-year-old kid, which he definitely could have. He said, you know, he picked up a guitar and actually started to play the changes around the song. And that, like, changed, that sort of changed my life in a way because I went, okay, now there's,

now I can actually write a song, you know, put, a verse, have a chorus, have another verse and another chorus. And so from that point on, this is probably, I think I was about 12 at the time, we started to write songs together. And I was a percussionist, I was playing in some bands. I was playing in a band, believe it or not, called Footloose. We were, I was, yeah, I was a cunga player.

I was a kunga player in a name called Footloose. We backed up a guy named Chet Brown in Philly, who was a Philly soul singer, who eventually changed his name to Jet Brown. And there was a lot of music in our town and a lot of different places to get together and play. And so as I was playing this drum, my brother started a, I guess that was your first soul.

solo career, right, Mike? After good news. And he asked me to start playing with him. So I became part of this band playing or playing out. I played the percussion and Michael sang and wrote the songs and everything. And there was a bass player and a woman singing background. So, yeah, that was the beginning of it. But how old were you then?

13, I think, when we went. Yeah, I say about 13, yeah. You were like up in the bars. playing congo, playing some... Percussions at 13? At 13. I wasn't allowed to play in the bar. Most of the clubs were coffee houses.

They really didn't have liquor, so there wasn't that much of a problem. Those of all disappeared. Oh, okay. I don't think you can go to a coffee house anymore. I don't think they exist, but that's what was there at that time. Now, let me ask you a question, Michael, you don't remember this song, do you? You don't remember this, for the first song that Kevin played for you? Or do you remember the melody and do you remember the lyrics and what that song was?

Uh-oh. Oh, my God. He does. It sounds like. All the world looks lonely through lonely eyes. All the world looks sad through sad. But when I'm with, baby, it's something new. And I don't feel so bad.

Something like that. Oh, my God. All my songs. All my songs were like heartbreak songs because I was pretty much in love from the time I was about three. Really? I can't remember a moment when I haven't been in love from the time I was about three. That's like Oliver. And it was like, is that true, Oliver?

Yeah, I've just always been a loving, a lover, you know, it's up going to get long-term girlfriend stuff. Kaya Rose was his first love. He was four years old. Oh, yeah, Kaya Rose. I'll never forget Kaya. Still think about her. Well, the thing about that is you could, if you're in love, I mean, I'm not saying that I would say probably until I was about 30, it was unrequited love.

So that makes for good songwriting when you're 12 years old and you're having to harp. That's awesome, Michael. You just did that and played that and remember that. And it was strangely emotional. I don't know why. I know. What do you mean? Strangely, it was in, I mean, think about that. Then I, the other side of me was like, oh, he just made that up. It was totally. How can you make up something now?

Oh, man. By the way, I have to say that I wrote the song for Michael Jackson. In my mind, Michael Jackson was going to record this as a ballad. It was going to be like, you know, Ben or, you know, any of his other giant hit bowels. And Michael Jackson, I was a big Jackson five fan, and he was my age. Me and Michael and Donnie Osmond were the same age. So in my mind, I should, if I'm not going to be Michael Jackson,

at least I could write him a song. Mm-hmm. You should have gotten it to him, man. When you became famous, that's the story. song you should have sent to Michael and said, look, here, you're welcome. I hasten to add, though, that my plan was to make Kevin into the next Michael Jackson, and we did a recording project, and I think we recorded nine songs, some of which we wrote and some were covers, and I was pitching that around because, you know, I figured, well,

have a younger brother who's nice looking and can dance and can sing, why not cash in on it? And unfortunately, I can't find the tape. I don't know, Kev, do you have a copy by any chance? I don't know. I don't know.

I got a whole bunch of junk here. I can't find it. I should find myself a cassette. That would be a cassette, right? Or no? Yeah, I think we record it on a four-track cassette. And the only thing I remember is... That's got to be some awful shit right there.

Well, I thought it sounded good. There was a song that was added to hair later on. It wasn't a song from the original cast, maybe when they did the movie or something, and we cut that song.

Do you remember that? I've been living to see you, dying to see you, but it shouldn't be like this. This was unexpected. How can I go on? Could we start again please isn't that it what can we start again please yeah okay that's it good

it's so cool it's so interesting to pick that song because like that's a song that they added afterwards that's like the one bad song in hair the hair is the greatest songs except for that one well it sounds like it sounds like you guys grew up in a very progressive

home you know where music was around you there was freedom of thought you know and freedom of expression am i wrong to think that well the only thing our parents cared about and we all got we all got the disease go out and do something make something uh express yourself don't worry about making money they couldn't care less about our report cards i mean i didn't even i just forged their name on all my report cards because they just didn't care they all they cared about was If you could come up and do something, dance, act, make costumes, write to play, sing, play an instrument. That's all that mattered.

And that was kind of from my mother's side, but our father was, I was think of him as a vector. He was an incredibly forceful man. And I think that kind of we got the artistic thing. We also got this kind of drive for better or for worse. I don't know if kids that are driven are happier than other people, but it was a, funny combination between the two of them and also I think

by the time Kevin was born they kind of were done with the family stuff I mean they were like well here's this kid he'll figure it out how about you guys must have had that kind of

an upbringing with a lot of creativity sort of I mean in criticism you know it was like yeah

be creative but if it didn't make sense it was like you know get that Better. No, no. Well, that's a little different. I have to say, you know, our parents, I have to say, I mean, they really liked, like, terrible things. I mean, I would do, I've done, like, when they were alive, I would just do the worst piece of garbage and be in it.

And I would get, they were letter writers because they were, really from a different generation. I mean, our dad was born in 1910. And so that, you know, he was, he was, like, really, like, old school. And our mother was as well. So it was always about writing these letters. And they would find, like, beautiful things to say about just the worst piece of shit that I was in. So I really, I have to say, I really appreciated it. I hope you kept all those letters.

You know, our mom, our mom is a letter writer, our Graham was. Is she? Oh, yeah. I have this beautiful letter that she wrote. actually in a book that she gave me and when she was pregnant with me and sitting by a river and just writing all of the things that she was feeling about me being, you know, in her belly. And it's pretty awesome. I mean, it's pretty cool.

That's great. Yeah. You know what's interesting, though, what you're saying. Oliver and I talk about this all the time now with our kids, you know, we kind of share that we're so engaged in their schooling. and our parents could care less. Like, as long as we were passing and as long as nobody got, you know, when all I got expelled was,

that was a problem. But, but other than that. Yeah, but she was on my side, though. She was on my side. I mean, I got expelled for cheating. She put two different tests out and didn't tell anybody. So I put the right answers on the wrong test.

I didn't even bother to look at the fucking questions. I just wrote, you know, I wrote numbers. And I was like, okay. Total rookie move. I got expelled for that. And it was bullshit. I mean, there were kids smoking weed and stuff, which at the time was illegal, and they were getting reprimanded, but not expelled.

I cheated on a test. So she got pissed off at the school more than she was pissed off at me. Cheating is way worse than smoking weed. Legal or illegal. I'm just going by the rules, you know. I'm just going by the rules of the time. that's a pretty slick teacher though to have two different tests

not bad but mom got mad mom went in he got expelled and mom went in and like yelled at everybody she was like oh yeah she screamed yeah she screamed at everyone but me I would love to have seen that how do you guys

how do you guys deal with that though because I'm struggling with this a little myself just as far as how much to push your kids and knowing who I was and you guys growing up with parents who were okay with you forging your, you know, signature or report cards didn't really matter.

How do you deal with that with your kids now? Do you find yourself a little more strict just because you feel like you need to be? Are you sort of, hey, well, your kids are older. Well, I mean, but yeah, I know, but even back in the day, though, you know, I'm just... Well, I think that we... We spent...

I think Kevin and I both spent a lot of time as fathers trying not to replicate the relationship that we had with our father. father. And I think we succeeded in that. I think we're both incredibly close with, well, I just have one son. I'm incredibly close. And Kevin has two kids, and he's incredibly close with both of those two. And our father is very distance and very work. So when he would come home at night, he'd have a Scotch, Scotts on the Rocks. And most of the conversation was really about his work. And I think that he blended interpersonal relationships with work too much.

And I think that we were both careful to make that separation so that, you know, we weren't hiding what we did. But we didn't make that some incredibly important path for a child to follow. Yeah, I would say I definitely agree with that. I think that one of the hard things is to kind of balance this idea of that notion and being closer and being more involved in your kid's life and not being quite so dismissive with also trying to instill a sense of independence and the ability to go out and and do something. And that doesn't have to be necessarily some level of success or money, but just go out and, you know, try to find something that's going to give you peace and happiness or a sense of satisfaction or a sense of accomplishment in your life

that isn't related to me and your mother. You know what I mean? Your own, what's your own thing? So balancing that with, you know, I want to do everything for you and know everything single detail of your life and be involved in every single, you know, part of your life. That, to me, has been the balancing act. And my kids are 28 and 31 now. And so I feel like we're in a good, really good place like in terms of that.

You know, we communicate a lot. And I think a lot of times that, as long as that's there, as long as you can actually, you know, have a conversation with them and and, you know, talk about something, you know, meaningful, then it all can kind of spread out from there. Did you ever have moments where you wanted to help them, but knew that you shouldn't, meaning, you know, I want to save you right now, but fuck, I'm not going to, and that's the hardest thing that I've ever had to do is not save you. Yeah, I got a funny story about that.

So my son, different than my daughter, you know, they come out, having nothing to do with how we raised them. My daughter wanted to be held 24 hours a day, clung to you like a monkey. I mean, just like all the time. My son, I mean, just Mr. Independence, from the time he was a little kid, like, I don't need, I don't need you. I don't need to learn anything. I don't want to learn anything from you. I got this. So he's, we grew up Manhattan.

He grew up Manhattan. Michael didn't grow in Philly, but they grew up Manhattan. And he started wanting to walk to school, which was about probably 10, 10 blocks, about 10, 12 blocks. And he wanted to do it on his own when he was like seven, I think. Like really? Wow. And I was like, I don't think so, son. And he just was like hell-bent and determined to do it.

So I was like, you know, listen, it's daylight. You know, it's going to be fine. It's safe. He's pretty streetwise. I mean, we grew up in Philadelphia. We were never, I was never home. I had the key. And as soon as I got home from school, I went out on the street.

And I come home for dinner. you know, or when it got dark. I mean, I was, from the time, I was very, very little. So Philadelphia was different than New York, and that was the, you know, early 60s and this was whatever. But I talked to Kira about it. She said, all right, you know, let's give it a shot. So he knew that the deal was that you're not supposed to cross on a red light.

And I told him, no crossing on the red light when you're walking to school. I know sometimes we, you know, fudge the rules on that, because if you're a New Yorker with your kids, you never wait with the red white. There's a terrible, you know, disconnect between what you actually do and what you tell them to do.

But I said, but, in this case, you have to do it. So I decided to follow him to school so that I could watch and see, you know, how he handled this. And he got to one block away and walked right through the red light and there was a car he put out his hand like this.

He put out his hand like, yo, yo, yo, you just stopped the car. I was like, holy shit. Oh, my God. So now, I figured myself, what do I do? I followed in the rest of the way to school and I didn't say anything. And, you know, he made it.

I mean, and he got home from school that day and I said, you know, we talked about this and I told you that you were not allowed to cross the street he goes uh i did i said yes you did because i saw you i saw you on 87th street cross the street and put your hand out so he i knew the details right so he knew that i was and he said okay how did you see it and i said listen i see everything i'm always watching so know that Coors Light

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one younger sister, and then Kevin. So I'm kind of the low middle. So Kevin, Were you a surprise? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was funny Oliver was talking about letters. One of my favorite, most beautiful letters that I have, my mother is when I, you know,

I told her, I said, listen, Mom, come on, I was a mistake, let's face it. And she wrote me this letter about, it was this long kind of history of all the children and sort of implying like what was happening at the time. and the music and this time of year but it was really about sort of like romance and how this everyone could have, you know, whatever. And then she said

at the end of it, so were you a surprise? No, or no, no. She said, were you a mistake? No, you were a, she said something like blessed surprise or something like that. So, but yeah, let's face it. I mean, you have five kids and then eight years later,

You know, I'm going to get a good idea. Have another one. And my parents, my parents were not, we're not like super, they were not wealthy people. And so they were putting everybody through college, the people that were going through college. So even from a financial standpoint, it was really not a good idea. But I'm glad they did. So when you were born, you had siblings going to college. I had siblings.

Two of my sisters were already out, out of the house. that's crazy Michael what was the family reaction to mom being pregnant with Kevin it was so fantastic because we already had this kind of five person family

and it really wasn't and I should just interject it's kind of amazing because our parents were not outwardly lovey-dovey let's put it that way but obviously they were having sex way into their middle age So, you know, I think that's a really good indicator of what it looks like on the outside and what it is in the inside.

You just, you can't tell them. And our parents were Victorians, so they didn't show emotion. They weren't, but they clearly had a fantastic relationship and just adored each other when they were alone. The rest of it, you didn't really see it that much. So anyway, Kevin comes along. And as I said before, my parents are kind of done with the whole children thing. And they were doing a lot of traveling. They probably went to Europe almost every summer.

My father was super busy flying all over the place. And so it, and the two eldest sisters were kind of out of the family by that time. So the sister right above me, Hilda, almost became like this sort of surrogate, nanny, mama kind of person of which I was the next one down. and are a younger sister the next one. So the Kevin and the three of us became almost a separate kind of a family. And we loved it. We found such joy in watching him grow up

and hearing all the goofy things he said. And, you know, of course, later on we shared music together and my sister, Hilda and I shared music together. So I don't really remember anything, having any feelings of what is this here? Oh, no, another boy. I can't do it with that. So it was cool.

It was really great. Did you take on parental responsibilities, you know, Michael? Not really. Just because, no, no, not at all. Just because I would want to. It wasn't like I felt some obligation. And actually, Kevin has a really fantastic song about this called Driver, which is kind of about Kevin, if you don't mind me telling the background of the song.

Of course, you have no choice because I already did. My sister was kind of left in charge of Kevin. one or two summers because my parents are away and she kind of had to take care of him but I don't, I've never heard her complain about it you know and the song is really a beautiful

sense of how what the question you're exactly asking is what happens when all of a sudden in a family when a little kid comes along what is the role what is the how does the older how do the older people behave do they feel put upon

do they feel glad? So I think we all felt really good about it. So your dad was a city planner. Is that in Philadelphia? Yes. And he referred to as the father of modern Philadelphia. Correct? Famous.

Yeah, he was famous. Yeah, he was definitely famous. Yeah, what's interesting is our father was really famous in Philadelphia. And generally outside of Philadelphia, Oh, you're Kevin's Bacon's brother. When I go to Philadelphia, I'm Ed Bacon's son. I mean, within the city. And I can remember going to public high school and going home with my, you know, my near-do-well friends.

And we passed a newsstand, and there's our father on the cover of Time magazine. And it just was a weird thing because people in my milieu at public high school in Philadelphia didn't really, they couldn't really imagine that. But that was kind of a part of who we are too as we had this incredibly famous father. Was he famous to the point where you walk around Philly and it's like, hey, I mean, everyone knew who he was signing autographs. He's been dead for how many years? Yeah, oh, absolutely.

And people all the time, you know, come up to me and say, God, your dad was so great. He was a very beloved character in Philadelphia. And his values were amazing. He could have made, we could have been so rich because he was the city planner. He could, for instance, when the Pennsylvania Turnpike interchange came by, he was the one that decided exactly where it was going to go. And if he had started a shell company and bought all the acreage five years before that,

I mean, he would have made billions of dollars. And he never had any desire to. And that's why we all grew up in a five-story house in Philadelphia. But I really admire the longer he's gone, the more I think about, you know, his values, his, you know, the books that he's written. You pretty much can't go up to an architecture student and say, you know Ed Bacon's design of cities. It's a textbook that's been around probably for almost 50 years. It's a staple in every architecture and a planning school in the world.

Did anybody follow in dad's footsteps in architecture or in design? Yeah, our sister, Eleanor, is a, in sort of real estate development. She was real instrumental in this big project that's called Southwest Waterfront, which is down in D.C. And she kind of has been in that for quite some time. And her daughter is an architect. But I think that's kind of it. You know, it's interesting because a few things occurred to me. One is that, as Michael pointed out, he was famous,

and he was famous in Philadelphia, and he was also really, really into being famous. He saved his clippings. He got stacks of that Time magazine. There were like stacks of them, you know. And he would often, you know, be mentioned. Because if you're part of the Planning Commission, there's a lot of stuff that's happening on good and bad,

you know, in the paper all the time about places and neighborhoods changing. You know, you're often sort of like the hero or the goat. and he would read every single detail of his press. And there were a lot of years where I was alone with my parents because all of the kids left the house when they were pretty young. I mean, I think everybody left by the time they were 16. So that left me another eight years or so, you know, alone with my parents. And he would often talk about what people were saying about him in the press.

and I think from my standpoint that gave me a really sort of like a kind of conflicted relationship with fame because on one hand I know that I definitely wanted to be more famous than my father I mean there was no doubt about that that was a driving force for me trying to become a good actor

or trying to get good doing anything was really a byproduct of a desire to be famous and or famous than the old man. So when it comes to my own children, you know, again, it's, and I'm sure you guys can, you know, feel free to comment on this. It's like, I don't want to, I've got a song called Chop Wood Carrey water that sort of addresses that, you know, I don't want to, I, you know, I don't want to put that kind of pressure on, on them. I don't want to, I don't want to put my own sort of fame and their mother's fame, you know, up on some sort of a pedest. I mean, there's really no way around it in a funny kind of way, but it definitely, it's on my mind. And I've said to them, you know, countless,

times, you know, you, you, they're, you do, you do what you need to do. But, you know, growing, I guess I also feel like growing up with super famous parents can be good. And it can also be just weird. It can just be a weird way to kind of grow up. Yeah. Well, I mean, I can, I can, I can speak to that a little bit, just we both can. But I, we have very different stories, Kate and I, raised by, you know, the same people in the same way, like you were saying your son is one way and your daughter is another. You know, Katie and I have a cord that is just bonds us, something deep. But we're very different.

We go about things differently. Our personalities are very different. And when you talk about fame and just being your own person, for me, it was nothing that was done. It was the expectations that I put on myself that honestly fucked me up. You know, I had this. big, grand idea that I had to sort of be something and rise to this occasion of my family. And now Kate became famous.

And it's like, oh, shit, what the fuck? I mean, who am I? How am I going to sort of reach this? And they all think this of me. And they don't think I'm good enough. And these are all things that I created. Do your kids feel pressure, Mike and Kev? I mean, do they feel any pressure to sort of succeed beyond?

you know what their parents have achieved yeah my son has um has no desire at all and i think it's i really call it a disease because it's this drive you get whatever you get what's the next thing you're you're you know if i look at my like life objectively and most people i think would agree i mean i had this amazing life but i still haven't had hadn't haven't had things happen to me that I really want to happen, even though I think it's been pretty documented that if those things happen, that doesn't really make you happy. So I'm happy to report my son has no desire to be famous whatsoever. And I think the fame thing, he's not going to be. And the fame thing kind of more came from Kevin and my generation. And I think I traced that back to, as Kevin pointed out,

there's a drive to be famous, but I think it's not a, it's not really a healthy drive. You know, I think it's good in some ways, and it can be difficult in other ways because you should actually achieve something, do something that makes you happy. Otherwise, why you're doing it. Yeah. I don't know if this will ever happen again, but we both have had parents on time, on the cover of Time magazine. You know, I mean, that's not an easy thing. Wouldn't that be like a really, a really slim podcast if that was the basis for your podcast?

The entire podcast is us interviewing other people that have their parents on the cover of time. We can start a clock like four. What about your kids, Kevin? I mean, how are they with, because they are in the arts and they do have famous parents. How do they, how do they deal with that? I think they, I think they, well, first. First off, I think they have a very good, healthy, you know, skepticism about what it actually means and, you know, whether or not it's, you know, how valuable it is.

I think that both of them, unlike me, care about things at a younger age, they care about, They care about things outside of their own careers at a younger age. You know what I mean? They started, they're both people that were sort of like, you know, compassionate about things outside of themselves, which is not what I was, you know, because I was so driven and so just focused on me, you know. And I think that they, yeah, I mean, I think that to the extent

that whatever, you know, art they're doing, they want to they want it to be consumed by people I think they definitely you know want that it's not like they they want to hold up and you know it disappear

and I think they also have a very very strong work ethic and really strong desire to be self-supported which they both are and have been for a long time but but sometimes

I have to say to them okay I know no, you got it, you're taking care of yourself, that's good, you know, let me buy dinner. You know what I mean? It's like I, you know, they're so like not into taking any kind of help. That's so great. That's such a testament to you and Kira. You know, we have to chip away to them because, I mean, I feel like they, you know,

and they certainly don't want help in terms of like, you know you know what do you call it's like an inn you know but you know my daughter

Olly loves the end Kevin he loves the end I'll take an in I'll take an in I'm not passing any judgments I'm not what I want I didn't choose

where I was born and if if it gives me an in I'll take a fucking in I'm with you I don't I do, I have no, I have no, and there is, and listen, there's the natural in anyway, so, you know, you can't, there's no, right, right, right. You know, my daughter, for many years, she, I thought she was an actress. I really did. I thought she was good. I put her in a movie that I was directing, the Michael wrote the music for, to play Kira as a little girl. There was a flashback scene. where I was playing Kira's father, and there was a little girl in it.

And she also had to sing a David Bowie song. And she's a good singer. And I was like, this is, she has to do this part. So she did the part. And then she was like, eh, you know, whatever. She was great. I could tell she was good. But she just never really wanted to act.

And she was more focused on just, I don't know, other stuff. private school classes and girlfriends and parties and I don't know getting into a like she went to an Ivy League school and this is straight up through college

Wow Like you know that education thing she was in there that's what it is education Yeah that thing I don't know that is Yes exactly And then all of a sudden

In at the beginning of I think it was her third year in school She packed up her car and her dog, and she came back to New York and said, I want to be an actress. And, look, Kira and I were like, what? We were completely, like, taken aback. And I said to her, you know, honey, you always gave me the impression.

I asked you if this is something that you would want to do. And I said, she said, yeah, I was just telling you what I thought you wanted to hear. so she got the impression from us that this was not a life for her that going into whatever however wherever she got the impression we both gave her the impression that um she shouldn't be an actor and i think that the i think that the message probably whether we meant to do it or not was that it just kicks your ass you know and you get judged and if you're a young woman, you know, you're throwing yourself out there to just get your, your, your, your, your, your ass kicked. Yeah, like all the time, no matter what.

All the time. Or even if it's good. Yeah. It's like, and I, and I guess, I guess somehow I just wasn't sure I wanted to either one of us, Kira or I wanted to watch her, um, go through that. Of course, we had no problem letting our son be a musician, but. Go ahead. Nice easy life of a musician here. Uh, uh, Hey, Oliver. What is honey?

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And so I would see him. And he was playing in a duo, right? That was good news was first, right? Yeah. And then pretty soon after that, I got to play in the band with him. So, yeah. Right.

So you was always, You were basically there together a lot. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then years after that, then Michael moved to Nashville, married, moved to Nashville, had his son, and then they moved up to New York, and he started a career in New York

as a jingle writer and a composer. And I was living in this crappy little, apartment on West 88th Street and there was an apartment right in the same line. It was like, I think it was like right up were you right upstairs or right downstairs

from me in the building. Yeah, one floor above you. Yeah, one floor above. And we got him in the brownstone and then we were in New York together for a while. Oh, that's amazing. So you guys lived, you guys basically just lived right on top of each other.

Yeah. Yeah, we were sharing, going back and forth between Philadelphia, but the thing is you have to to remember about New York. You guys were too young to know this. But in the 80s, there's this thing called key money. And you didn't just rent an apartment. You went to me with a person that said, I will rent you this apartment for $10,000. And we got this apartment because, I don't know, I guess a landlord like Kevin or was sucking up them or whatever. So we actually got an apartment

for nothing. Well, we have to pay rent. So I had two-year-old son. My wife had stopped working. It was the disco era. I was going around in a red rabbit with a PA system playing folk songs for high schools and colleges. And I just borrowed the money from our father. I said, Dad, I need $5,500 to pay the rent for a year, and then I'll pay you back. And I had no prospects at all. It was absolutely the lowest possible thing. And then luckily, my wife got a job managing a preschool.

And then the next lease came up for the next year, and I just said, all right, I'll take it. Why not? And about the next day, I got my first job, and then I can trace every job back to that. But I think Kevin and I, and probably most of the members of our family, have been willing to... What was that first gig? It was the first gig was writing a soundtrack for the World's Fair in New Orleans in, I guess, 1984. And it was an incredibly difficult job. I mean, I'd love to tell you, about it, but it's so Byzantine and somebody just gotten fired and I just happened to walk in this office and they needed someone that day who could orchestrate and also write songs. It just was

a lucky kind of thing and if that hadn't happened I would have put my tail between my legs come back to Pennsylvania put wood in the furnace and that kind of stuff. So I think in our family and I suspect in your family as well there's something about the ability to

walk a little on the edge if you believe there's something that you can do, become successful. And I go back to our father, and I think he's the kind of person who would just say, go for it. Don't take, you know, don't be safe. Jump into it. And we've always done that. And, you know, we're still going strong 48 years. And I've never lived any different than that. And Kevin, when this was happening with Michael, where were you at in your life in New York? Well, I moved to New York in I'd been there for quite some time because I moved to New York in the summer of 1976

and I was doing some theater in Philly and much as I love my hometown as we like to say, my hometown of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I knew that I needed to get to New York to really like pursue it. And so I got out of high school and I was led into a theater school called Circle in the Square for their summer program

and then I auditioned to stay that year, and I turned 18 that summer. And I was working in various restaurants and bars. and trying to audition and, you know, do the normal thing. Knock on the doors and do by backstage and look for open calls. You know, I had a real classic, like, New York, you know, actor thing. And that's, I was probably still in that, in that mode when Mike showed up. Or maybe I wasn't a waiter anymore.

I might have, I'm not sure. No, I think you were past, I did an animal house. I sort of think this was kind of a diner era, whenever that was. Oh, that's right. Animal House was your first movie. Okay, yeah. So I was, I wasn't, yeah, so it was past, I was past, I was past my waiting table days. Yeah. No, when Animal House came out, I was still a waiter. I mean, I had to last for the night off to go to the premiere. And I was for quite some time after that. Yeah, Animal House was crazy because I had come. I was in acting school. And, you know, the casting director came to the acting school.

and the acting school sent me to meet the casting director. And so that was my first gig. That's a pretty awesome first gig to say that was my first gig. Michael, when he was acting, like, was there any moment, like, did you all, did you have a feeling about Kevin as an actor, or did you, were you like, I don't know what you're thinking? No, I definitely, we all did. He was, first of, extremely extroverted. Okay.

When my father would have an office party, it was so dreary. There would be 100 people from his office, and they'd all come to our house and get drunk. And myself and my sisters, we'd all hide upstairs so the ladies wouldn't pinch our cheeks and stuff. And we'd listened downstairs, and Kevin would invent these games. Like, for instance, I remember one time at a party, he went around a room and said, everybody's got to make up the funniest name they can think of. So literally all these adults have to shut up and he's going around the room, you know, harvesting these funny names and then deciding who's was the funniest.

And this was really young. This is probably five years old. So, yeah, we knew something was up, definitely. So I was never really that surprise when he moved to New York and things happened very quickly for him because I knew you know first of all he had the right personality he had the right drive he had the talent and people have told me from that era um i'm not an actor i've never acted i know nothing about the business but people have told me that one of my friends is a director and they would have 200 people come in a read for some role some little role in the film and he could remember kevin coming in and just

killing it and just shining from these 200 people and after all that's kind of the way the arts the popular industry works you it's very competitive and some people just jump out what was the first movie kevin that you were like all right i'm i'm going to be okay i'm i think i'm going to have a career as an actor still waiting still trying to figure out well well you know you know it's so funny is that almost is what i was going to say to you ask you kevin is you know are you conscious of trying to keep your career afloat or are you just is this just you've had like so many iterations in your career and is this just pure luck or are you is there anything calculated here nothing is calculated um but i also don't think it's pure luck i think it does i think it's a lot

a lot of you know work i mean i think it's you know it's corny but the 10 000 hours you know i also think that you can get you know you just can get better better, you know, if you just work at something long enough, you know. But I don't really, I mean, I'm, I'm kind of joking, in a lot of ways, I always feel like there's, I just don't look back that much and go, well, that was a heck of a career. You know what I mean? I'm really looking down the road. I don't, I don't have a real rear view mirror.

and I'm just, I'm, I have a lot of gratitude for the fact that I've been able to make a living doing something that I still really love to do. I think that that's the thing about it is that I get very excited when, between action and cut. Like, I love it. I, I, if it's good and I'm, and I'm, and the character is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, and, uh, and, and, uh, and the material is, is, is, is, is strong. And I, and I, I, I, I love that time. I, I, I, I, I really do. I still do. And so it's not, it hasn't gotten old for me. Yeah, I mean, people, it's funny when you get asked these questions and so many times you're in these interviews and they ask you the silliest questions, you know, what's your favorite movie you've ever done, you know, or what's the, what's the bet, like what, you know, and to me, I don't, I can't even rate the movies about my favorite movie. I just can rate the experience. They also become bookmarks. For me, they become bookmarks for times and, you know, I'm a lot older than you. So it's different, but I mean, they become these bookmarks. for for things that were going on in your life you know what I mean it's like like the first thing

that pops into my head when I think of tremors is not underground worms or the or the or or the thing it's it's that cure was pregnant with with Travis and we were up in lone pine and just seeing this you know beautiful big belly come to the to the to the set out in the middle of the desert. That's what I think about. I don't think so much, I don't think that much about the movie. They, you know, they, uh, or, you know, I recently, um, uh, got on a, a Zoom with the diner guys. Oh, yeah. Everybody, everybody, but Mickey, of course, didn't, you know, nobody, fine Mickey. Oh, my God. Cool. But the rest, but the rest of the old knuckleheads were there. And, um,

And, you know, we didn't talk about the movie, but the experience was so still so rich for us, you know, because, you know, we were all at a certain, like, kind of interesting point in our lives. And, you know, it wasn't really about remembering the, or analyzing the film itself. It's more just about the experience. I just did that recently with the 20 year of Almost Famous We got on a on a rolling For Rolling Stone did a Zoom Oh yeah I heard about that And we all got off that and Billy Crutup

And I were just texting going Fuck that was really special You know and and yes The bookmarks you know For sure Ollie what were you going to say? Oh I don't want to get into the weeds Of how you like prepare

But I just Everyone does it so differently. You know, you hear the guys who write many, many, many, you know, notes in their script or there are other ones who just sort of feel it and go. I mean, has your sort of process evolved, you know, as you from when you started to now, or have you pretty much prepared the same way? No, I think it's evolved. I think that certain things that Cures told me, you know, I've kind of taken on because I'm like, oh, she does that shit. I should say. start doing that um but um yeah no it it has it has certainly um involved and i hope that it will

evolve again you know i think that um it's the same thing with with songwriting i think you know you you you you have one way always of of doing it and then all of a sudden you think well maybe what I'll do is approach this in a different way or even to the extent that like I don't know if this ever happens to you Mike but you're working on a song and then you pick up

a different, even if it's a guitar like two different guitars and the second guitar will sometimes do things I don't know to the song that you didn't really expect to happen I don't know why that would be and it's kind of the same thing with acting with me

It's like, you know, I'll try to do a whole bunch of different stuff, not really knowing if it's actually going to affect the performance or not, you know. But it's like, why not just, you know, give it a shot, you know, put a pebble in the two or whatever. Would you say, are you pretty fearless, you know, or do you get scared? No, I think I'm pretty true. I get scared. I mean, I still get bad. butterflies when we play live

with the band, which is one of the things that I really like about playing live is that butterflies had sort of, I started out doing a lot of theater and I think between the band and movies and

TV, I was having, I've had a hard time fitting theater in. I did a show in Hartford, Connecticut about like two years ago or so. But You know, that feeling of you're about to walk on stage and, you know, is the same thing that we have in the band

because, you know, shit can happen, right? Things can go wrong. There's a lot of shit that can go wrong when you're playing live and it's the same thing doing theater. I don't get scared on a set, really. I don't think so. I mean, maybe the first, yeah, the first day, I think, because I don't know everybody, but, but I feel, I feel, it's kind of like walking into my living

room, you know, I know the process so much. It's funny, you're saying that, I don't get nervous on set ever, except once, and it was my first scene with Daniel DeLewis. He's the guy that made me feel like, you know, totally insecure about my process. But, Ollie, that's a great question, because I remember working with Naomi Watts, and she had her script and I've never seen anything like it talk about a feeling of inadequacy

I mean she walked on she was just riddled with notes oh it was like I looked at it and I was like because I think it was you know what's the second line you know for me I was kind of just going for it and we're living in Paris

I was like I'm not preparing you know I'm sort of like easy part I'm like I got this you know and I show up to set and Naomi is just never seen anybody more prepared so thorough that I that I did I kind of like what you're saying about here probably I kind of went hmm like what does this say about my process and maybe I should incorporate a little bit more of this into into my life oh god I just write I just write shit in the in the margins not even pertaining to anything just so it seems like I've

really done my work. Listen, don't you think, though, that it really, I mean, getting intimidated by somebody else's process is like, I don't even, I try not to even listen to those things or you read or you hear interviews and people talk about it because it always kind of, it always kind of makes me feel somehow inadequate in what it is that I do. And, you know, everyone's got a different way of getting there. And, you know, the Naomi's script, you know, it's not in the movie. You know what I mean?

It's cool that it's there and it's great that she's doing it. But that's not going to be on the screen as far as I know. Yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. And every process is so different, you know. And what did you tell Daniel Day Lewis that you were also a shoemaker? He's a cobbler. So I have to ask this because clearly, like, I mean, I know there's certain things that just bother everyone at times, but the six degrees of Kevin Bacon was such a huge. It became like this iconic thing. Did that drive you nuts? Or did you kind of embrace it?

It was so funny because it's like the, you froze just on six degrees. And I was like, I was like, oh, thank you. Thank you. So, yeah, no, I've embraced it 100%. I have a charity called 6Degrees.org. That was the thing that kind of turned the corner forward on me. You know, if it's not going to go away, you know, what are you going to do? You know, at first I was kind of like, I don't really get this. And are they making fun of me? It's crazy.

It's crazy. But now I don't. Like, where did that even come from? Do we know? It came from college kids. They were just, they just kind of came up with it. Some college kids in the 90s, they were sitting around, and they just made it up, and it was just kind of spread.

Well, so you made it into amazing, and how is that? What is it that you're working on now with the foundation? Well, we are close to, I can't quite announce it, but we have something kind of great. big coming up, which is going to be a fundraising opportunity. We, you know, we're always involved with a bunch of different causes, a bunch of different ideas and concepts in connecting celebrities to charitable work. A lot of times we focus on more grassroots kinds of causes that don't get a lot of of, you know, big donors, just because I feel and certainly out being out traveling with the

Bacon Brothers, you know, we go across the country and six degrees will turn us on to someone who's doing something great in some town that you would never even know about. It's not a big, you know, save the Redwoods or whatever. It's just a, you know, a small, you know, soup pantry that somebody started. And so we'll stop by and say hi and, you know, take some pictures and try to give them some kind of exposure or some kind of help in some way.

That's great. Just working together as men, your brothers, you're older, but you were working together. I know you're having fun. Is your relationship as strong as it's ever been and are there cracks ever when you are, you know, essentially being creative together

and also in a business together. Well, I think overall there's a lot of legend of the battling band brothers and, you know, from the Beach Boys and the Everly brothers and Oasis. And I don't really think that characterizes, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff. And I don't really see why that would be. Maybe because I'm so much older and then we didn't grow. grow up, you know, a year apart, you know, beating the crap out of each other and, and mommy, hit me. Of course, my sisters, it was different. I think I've, I've maintained a certain amount of

guilt about punching women in the stomach. Apparently, you're not allowed to punch girls in the stomach. That's what my mother told me when I was five. Oliver, Oliver suffers from the same guilt. I don't know why. I do, I do, I do. Anyway, I never knew the reason, but I still feel like, oh, God. So, you know, we've been doing this for 25 years. And if I were the dominant, you know, I'm the musician. If I were the one that was just singing all the songs and playing all the guitars and Kevin was, you know, playing Konga in the background, it really wouldn't work.

But there's a really kind of an equal balance. And I think that when you come to hear our band, you see two guys who are very, very different. And to me, that's a good thing. There's a lot of kind of build-in creative tension from that. And, yeah, we have things. We have things occasionally, but we work it out. And it's a business. And it's really, I think, very rewarding to go into business with a relative,

particularly a brother or a sister, because there's a trust there that doesn't exist in other situations. So I think we've cut through a lot of that stuff. and we both feel really strong about two things. It's all about the songwriting we do, and the songwriting is still going and getting better. And the other thing is putting on a performance that we really feel proud,

that we feel legitimately entertaining people that are spending a lot of money to come hear us. So we plow back a lot of investment back into the band by traveling with a band of six people. A lot of people are going out now with a drummer and a keyboard guy. We have a B3. You know, we have a pretty big crew.

So I think if you come to hear our shows, it makes us feel really good that whether you like the kind of music we do or not, you're going to hear a band that really is putting out there and is competitive, professional with any other band touring and that you had a really good time and you'll tell your friends and our little small but mighty following grows a little bit each year.

I really like this record, too. There's the one song, British Invasion. That one's great. And I like the Corona tune. Yeah, that's great. It's cool. I think you were saying that, Kevin, you don't, like this whole quarantine thing was pretty hard

because you're a bit of a mover and a shaker. And staying still isn't necessarily your strong suit. No, it definitely isn't. And Corona Tune was, well, first of all, British Invasion, I'll talk about first. I wrote British Invasion. based on a story that Michael just dropped to me about being a kid and going to see a British invasion show in Philly

and, you know, meeting this girl. And I'd never heard about the girl. I'd never heard about the story. So it was one of those songs where... There were so many. Right from another person's point of view. In this case, it was from my brother's point of view. So it was me sort of imagining what it would be like.

like to be a teenager in the 60s during the British invasion. And it was fun. We cut it in Philly, and it's, you know, yeah, thank you. And Corona Tune, you know, I was in L.A. with Kira, with the second. Michael and I were in the studio cutting some of what's on that record. And I was shooting my TV show in New York. and I got the call that we were shut down

and I got the sense that this was not going to be a short shutdown although I never thought it would be this long so I got on a plane and went to California where Kira and the kids were and yeah I wrote that song during the lockdown and cut it out in L.A., Michael put the cello on it and shipped the cello out through the

interwebs and and um and then we we got back to uh sharon we shot a video for it yeah and it was really it was really thinking talking about my parents it was really a song about like uh basic the basic the gist of the song is i'm glad they can't see this you know because a lot of people when when things happen good right um you know people will win awards and stuff like that they always say and i know that my dad is right now looking down on me and, you know, he's proud and all that kind of stuff. But when things are going really shitty,

nobody says, I know my dad is... They're so lucky they're not here. Yeah. Oh, man. The basis of that song. That's funny. Are you guys going to try to do... I know my ex right now

is doing an outside gig. Are you guys kind of thinking about that at all? Well, I'm about to start shooting, and so it's a little bit... It's a little difficult. because we have all these like super you know strict rules about doing anything else you know we are going to do a thing next week where but we'll be in the just in a studio uh but so far we don't have any uh drive-ins or outside stuff scheduled yeah are you excited to go back to work are you

nervous uh well i'm excited i um but i am a little nervous i'm a little nervous i mean you know, Keir is back of work in L.A. and so she, you know, has been reporting to me about what it's like and it's so interesting, the things she's like, you know, like for instance, she said that in her case, they're all masked up for rehearsal. And so it's not until you actually shoot that you see what anybody else has been doing,

like, you know, what the actors have been doing. So it's like you rehearse the whole thing, which is such a bizarre thing to think about because we react off of each other's faces, clearly. I thought to myself, this is going to be the type of thing where everyone takes their mask off and people go, whoa, whoa, dial it down. It's been made now.

All right, well, let's do our speed round. So one word to describe the other. Serious. Oh, we started already? Yeah. This is going way too fast. me. One word

to describe the other talented. I mean, my brother, he's so frigging talent. It's disgusting, really. I'm not sucking up to him really. He could have been an architect. He could have been a, he is a musician. He's obviously an actor.

He could have been an artist. So, you know, the man has a lot of talent. Yeah. That's how Kate feels about me. It's true. She won't admit it, but it's true. Okay, one word to describe your relationship. Musical.

Trusting, I would say. Album listened to... Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Go ahead. Album listened to on repeat as a kid. Earth, Wind and Fire, the Way of the World. Oh, I think Rubber Soul, probably. These are great albums. That's my favorite Beatles record.

Don't you guys play this, too? Yeah, I just Rubber Soul, for some reason. And it's like, I have so much nostalgia around that. That's not to make this about me, but I'm going to. That's when Kurt came into my life or our life. And he drove this 1970s old blazer, and he had an A-track. And he had rubber soul. And that's what was in that A-track every time we got in.

It's the only A-track he had. Yeah. And I'm a big fisherman. You know, fly-fishing, ocean fishing. I loved a fish and I learned how to fly fish when I was around six or seven years old and Kurt was the one who would take me to these various sort of, you know, places in the river and we'd always be listening to that record and it is extremely nostalgic for me and my favorite Beatles record.

If I didn't think Kurt was cool before, a 1970s blazer with an eight track playing rubber soap. Yeah. Yeah. Who broke more rules as a kid? I don't know. I think you probably did as a kid. Because you were more in the drug era than I was.

Exactly. That's true. There were some rules that were available to break at the time. Yeah, I mean, you had high times at that point. We didn't have high times. You guys know what high times is, by the way? Of course. You young kids.

Of course. The magazine. Okay. You have an award from high times. I do. I have a bong. I have a bong award from high times. Oh, my gosh. Wow. Okay. Okay. If you could put your brother in a band from the past, what band would that be?

I think I would put my brother in the beach boys because he just is so in love with harmony. He just loves harmony. And he loves, and he loves. And he loves, you know, the complexity of you know, Brian's changes and it's, it's, that's like right in his pocket. So with Kevin, I put him in the band as Levon Helm.

Because Kevin, that's too visual for a podcast. Yes. I love Levo. I got to have him. So that, I would love to do that. Oh, leave on. What about a song? What about a song to best describe one another?

Wow, that's my way. Good. Oh, gosh. Let's see. You better move on. How's that? Okay. You guys know that song?

Too young for all these things. No, I don't know that. Great song. Check that out. Check that out. You better move on. It's an Arthur Alexander song, right? Okay.

Yeah, it was covered by. Yeah, and it was covered by the Stones, too, which was, I think it was the first, our father brought us a record of a 45 from England in the 60s, and I think that was on one of the, that was like this new band that the cool kids in London were listening to. So he brought it back to us as near. Our grandpa, when my mom was little, she wanted, he caught her listening to a rock and roll song. And he was a, he was a fiddle player, classical fiddle player. And there was no. rock and roll in the house and then it was dinner and she came to the table and her plate was turned upside down and she lifted her plate up and it was her his way of saying okay you can listen to this song and it was a 45 of get a job get a job do do do do that was mom's first not great amazing what about what about what about what about your first concert My first concert was probably a good news concert, which was a band that Mike was in.

I have to go all the way back to Pete Seeger. He was my first idol. I don't know if you guys remember him. He died recently, but he was a wonderful songwriter and played the banjo. And I was obsessed with the banjo. And I wrote him a letter. And I said, I play the cello, but I went to land out to play the banjo. And he sent me his banjo book and a postcard, which I have.

have right up there um cool so you know that that kind of i think that really got me on the road you know in a funny way i didn't notice the time but i looked back on that and that was that was really formative i went to see him actually in new york i got a chance to see him live years ago yeah it was great well we got the jahawks we got pete seger oh my god one one last one real quick okay it's a two-part we ask this to everyone right so two-part question if you could take something from your as your own equality, something that you admire about them and have it for yourself, what would that be?

And then on the flip side of that, if you could alleviate something from your sibling to sort of de-stress their life in one way or another, what would that be? Hmm. Well, let's see. In the taking, I have to say, I would love to be able to play like him.

He can play, he can play, he's a great guitar player, he's a great cello player, but he could pretty much play anything. you know can take it off the wall play it you know that's

I'll never you know I could practice for the rest of my life and I would never be able to have that if I could alleviate

one thing um I don't know I don't have to think about that one all right Mike's perfect I love it I love it

I will take your 1970 Bronco 69. Oh my God, that's my dream. I had a 73. I had a 73 Bronco. I want a Bronco.

And I would give you the gift of the pedal tone which you don't quite understand you. That's correct. I want that.

You got bro. I'm a college. I have to, I am a college professor, so sometimes I go these places. But anyway. Yeah. Well, you guys, thank you for joining us. This has been really fun. Thank you guys so much. Really appreciate it. You guys are great.

Stay safe out there. It's forever. All right. All right. All right. See you guys. Be safe. Bye. All the best. You guys too. Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver

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