Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - LeAnn Rimes: From Only Child to Child Star

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

In a very special only child episode of Sibling Revelry, we talk to Grammy Winning artist LeAnn Rimes.The self-described introvert talks about some of her most defining moments with no siblings to lean on.Like signing a record deal at 11-years-old, and being married before she hit 20! Plus, what led to a lawsuit with her own father when she was a teen? How has her family healed ever since?And, how she's trying to put her childhood back together while being the best stepmom she can be.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're just not. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry.

No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Revelry That's good Oliver I know how bad you want to sing the song right now And we need to talk about this

You can't First of all I'm going to sing it We're going to have to bleep the whole thing No no no Because apparently This is like a thing And I don't really understand it This makes no sense

Our producers have cut us off From singing songs that are not originals But can't we sing a song and change the lyrics? Yeah, I mean, if I'm like, Zana-a-da-do-da-go-n-n-bes-a-sha-ha-ha-a-do-da-do-do. Wait, but does now, now... Am I going to, is Leanne Ryan's going to sue me? I don't know.

I don't think I, what my theory is or my thing, I should know this. I don't. I'm going to call the music man. No, I'm going to call the music man. I think it's because you have to license music. If we take any advertising dollars, then any music that we use, we need to license to pay because first they need to pay it.

But we're not using. But that's the thing. I can sing any song I want. I can sing any song I want. I can cover any song I want. I just have to pay the artist. Yeah, but you can cover any. But you can.

No, no, I pay them everything and I get, I get the performance royalty Hold on, you can cover any song you want live even though there's a door charge you're not going to get ripped up for that No So as long as it's put down on wax

What are you telling? Oh damn it As long as it's put down on wax You know what that means? No You don't know what that means? Danny Teller What does that mean?

Teller That's what we're doing right now, babe, Oh, oh, oh, yeah, I thought you meant... Oh, yeah, we're putting it down on wax. There you go. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I know.

I know what you're talking about. Maybe if you put it down on wax. What are you doing now? Putting my shit down on wax. Yeah. Okay. If you put it down on wax, maybe then... We're going to figure this out.

And you know what? We'll get to the bottom of it. Let's talk about this. Leanne Rimes. Yes. She is an only child. We haven't really interviewed that many only children. I think one.

She said a really... fascinating early life. She's basically a child star. And I'm intrigued to know what that's like doing alone without any siblings. Because we've talked about this before with a number of different celebrities who were famous young. And there were always like a sibling that was there had to be dragged along. But she's like going out there alone. Yeah.

Also just her upbringing and how that might have affected her path being an only child. Yeah. All right. Well, let's bring her in. I'm going to serenate her as she comes in. And you can't breathe it. And I'll do like under like a background. Hello.

Hi. Hi. My brother wants so badly to sing to you. I have seen you sing this song on a show. Oh, yeah. Oh, you have. Oh, my God, that's true. So you've already saying it.

Hi, Leanne. Hi. Welcome to our podcast. Thank you. We were just saying that we really don't have that many only children. We've interviewed one. I think honestly one. One only child.

Oh. I find only children very fascinating because I have so many siblings. Yeah. And I find that fascinating because I am an only child. My husband's an only child too. Oh, wow. Oh, which usually doesn't, I don't know if that usually works, but he had, he has two boys. So I have two step sons.

Yeah. And they were two and six when they were first in my life. So maybe because he had kids already, like the only child syndrome kind of gets knocked out of you with children. Right. Yeah. It works. Did you want siblings growing up? Was that something you yearned for?

Or was it just, this is my, this is it? It took, my mom tried to have kids for like 12 years and she was told she couldn't have children. and so so I was it and I think because I always I was performing from such a young age I think that was kind of my sibling it was always entertaining me like I never really thought about having a sibling and I think if I did like my life would have taken a completely different turn but I do have my mom was best friends or had a best friend from high school named Sharon and her two girls are,

they're four years and eight years older than me and they were there when I was born and they basically are sisters to me so I kind of like

have the best of both worlds which is wonderful. That's so great. Yeah, they are like my siblings. Where did you grow up? I grew up in, well,

I was born in Mississippi but then I grew up in Texas from the time I was six and then I grew up on a tour bus when the time I was 13. When did that start? 13, right?

Yeah, I signed my record deal at 11 and then 13 I was on the road like full time my daughter's 10th I remember how old are you? Me I'm 41 yeah okay yeah because I I remember because you were so young yeah and it was such a huge hit I mean it was like crazy

what was it yeah it was like zero to 60 and what was the one it was that was the the one I'm singing yeah no no no it was my first oh blue and then it would then I don't even, I don't even remember now. Then how do I live? And they came out of the mic, like, it all kind of, it was all very back to back. How old were you when you wrote How Do I Live?

I didn't write that, actually. Diane Warren did. Got it. So that's your call for licensing. Diane, please. Come on, Diane. How old were you when you performed the song? I was 14.

How do I live without you? Interesting. Was there any sort of, you know, talk like, well, I mean, you're young to be talking. about sort of a situation in a relationship, like, how do I live without you? Yeah, I mean, I guess that could have been, I think that song is so universal that it can be, like, I could have been singing. It could be your parents. Yeah. You know what I'm my dog.

Yeah, I'm my dog. Right. That's true. But, you know, it's interesting because I never, like, music was, music was always very universal to me. And I had such a, I just knew how to emotionally connect from the time I was really young. I don't know where that came from. But my dad used to sit me down and explain songs to me. And so just out of the story, I had a very vivid imagination. I mean, it's like acting. Like it's, you just kind of put yourself in that position. But as I got older, living, having actual life

experience, like it really does. I thought people used to, people used to say that to me, like when you get older. You'll sing it from a different place. And I thought that was bullshit, but it really wasn't. Well, okay, Leanne, take us to like when you were really little. So your parents couldn't have kids. Were you, like, a surprise? I was like my mom's miracle child. Yeah. Okay. And are your parents still together? No, they got divorced when I was 14. Okay. Oh, that's interesting. Okay, well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Okay. So you're a little girl. And when You know, you're growing up in Mississippi. When did you start singing?

I was, my dad has tapes in me singing at 18 months old. What? And like, I was, it's so wild. I was on pitch. And I was, when I sang, you could understand what I was saying, but I would talk afterwards. I was like mumbling. So I kind of learned how to speak through singing, I think. Wow.

How's your vibrato at 18 months old? Oh, it was fantastic. It was the best. It's never been better. It has never been better. You know, my son Bing has the same thing at like, but at like nine months old, not even, maybe even seven months old, he would sing, he would do hum starlight. And he would go, nom, no, no, nom, nom, no, no, no, no, um, the, uh, Matt song. And we were like, what?

It was, it was so nuts. It's weird. It's like, did that come in with you from like, a. Another, you know what I mean? Like another lifetime? It has to. I say music. That's exactly.

Did you ever read Frankie Presto and the Magic Strings? No, I have not. It's a Mitch album book. You should read it. And that's kind of how I see music. It's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, it's like something that's born into you. Yeah, but so is accounting. Yeah, numbers.

For sure. For sure. It's like a beautiful mind. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's all kinds of different things. And music is just the most incredible companion. Yeah. True. So you're little, you can sing an 18 months old. When was it really your parents who drove you into music or was it you leading the way? No. My dad had a love for music. My mom and dad both played a lot of music in our household. And like my mom was really into Motown. And, my dad was into classic rock and country. And then my godmother was way into, like, Broadway show tunes and classical. And so, like, I got an array of music from a very young age. And then I started, I danced from the time I was, like, two. And my dance teacher heard me sing one day. And she told my mom, she's like, you should put her in song and dance competitions. And I, that was where I first started at, like, five.

So I tap dance and sing. Oh, my God. Yeah. And did that become your mom's like, was she a stage mom? No, my, no, I, you know, they, my parents were really supportive of me, but I was definitely in the driver's seat of like, this is what I love to do. And it's weird to say, it's crazy, like, I got my record doing when I was 11, but I'd been on station so I was 5. So by the time I was 11, I kind of, it was what should have like, it was what I expected to have. happen at that age. It's so weird to say, but it's like, I've been working towards it.

And it just kind of, yeah, everything happened so fast for me. I mean, but at that age, like to be on stations three five, it's just kind of, did you ever feel like you missed out on childhood and just the regularity of being a child? Absolutely. I mean, I didn't. So when I first was around my stepson's, like I said, they were two and six. And when the oldest turned 11, I remember looking at him and going, oh, my God, that was, like, I was his age when I signed my record deal. And to see what a normal, quote unquote, normal childhood was like, it was the first time I actually felt like I had missed out on something. And the first time I had actually realized that that wasn't normal to do what I had done. so I think as I got older I really did understand like that was very abnormal and I feel like

most of my adult life has been trying to put my childhood back together is that is that right discovering and like what brings me joy like all those things so yeah I wonder did if you felt an expectation to being the only I guess it's Michael both ways. An expectation to actually be there for your parents more than you would say if you had a sibling when you might want to maybe have been more independent or the other way around if you felt like there was a lot of attention on you that sometimes felt overwhelming or smothering from your parents just being the only child. Yeah, there was a lot that was, it was the latter of those two things um yeah you know being like my mom's miracle child and then having parents that

really didn't get along and it was kind of i was what what i was the glue and so you know being the glue and then having this incredible gift and all the focus being on you um i don't think i realized how smothering that was until much later on um until therapy um lots of therapy and that's all right Rebellion started. Oh. Until the old rebellion. The rebellion started around, I don't know, maybe 15. Yeah.

Yeah. And it just kept going. It's really, it's interesting about only children because most of my best girlfriends are all only children and are an only child. And I find that there is definitely. definitely a different sort of personality profile to someone who didn't have siblings. Oh, yeah. It comes in different forms, but it's definitely specific.

I find the other thing that's really specific is when you meet a girl who grew up with multiple brothers or you meet a boy who grew up with multiple sisters. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's like you can kind of pinpoint those personalities more than any other one. I mean, I think we're imprinting as we get older on not just our parents, but our siblings, and it's all happening. And when you don't, when you don't have that, you know, you're almost, you have your parents, but then you're sort of left to your own devices to sort of figure your own shit out. Even as a friend, like when you had friendships, I actually, I find this really interesting. This is, and forgive the intrusion and you don't have to answer this.

No, please, go ahead. You become famous really young. you're an only child, and now you're trying to nurture relationships, friendships, girlfriends. Was that something you had to learn how to do and connect to? Was that challenging? Very. That's probably one of my biggest challenges.

I'm a real introvert, and because I've had the whole world's eyes on me since I was a kid, like I've had such a, I don't anymore, but it's something I really had to work out. I've had such a wall up to, it is really hard to penetrate because I feel like I've had to protect myself. Like every time I walk out into the world, like I've had to protect myself. And so to have, I have very close friendships, but girlfriends, I'm always being really like a guy's girl. I was never really around a lot of girls growing up.

And in fact, in school, when I was in public school, I finished public school in sixth grade, and then I started homeschooling and did all of that on the road. But I was really bullied a lot by a lot of girls. And so I think that kind of shut me down to girl, to female friendships. And so over the past, I don't know, maybe like decade, it's been really something I've, it's been a challenge and it's something I've worked on and something that I've been able to find solid female friendships. And yeah, I've had to, I've had to learn how to be a friend. Yeah.

And I actually, you know, there's some things that I'm just really honest, like, with my friends. It's like, I'm, I can't be there for that. Like, that's not, I just, I don't know how to be there for certain things. And I've had to, it's kind of, it's been a rub sometimes. And I just have to be really honest of like, I didn't learn how to do that. But whatever that certain thing might be, what do you attribute your inability to sort of be there? You know, is that just you can't take it? Is it overwhelming?

Is it anxiety-inducing? Well, she's saying that she's- All of those things. Yeah, it is anxiety-inducing for me. And I think, you know, my schedule being on the road and touring so much, like being gone, I'm not, like, I'm not fully present. It's funny, I just made this, the beginning of this year, I just made a call list of, like, all my friends and all my family.

And I'm like, once a week, I'm going to pick someone and I'm going to literally sit down and FaceTime and see them. and call them because we text all the time. But it's like when I'm gone, I'm actually about to go travel to Australia in the UK. And like I'm going to be out of pocket like for face-to-face meetings. And it's like I really have to, I really have to take the time and plan to like keep these relationships going. It can be really challenging.

So, but I think I think the biggest part for me is I just, I just didn't, I just didn't have a lot of those kind of interactions of friendships a lot of my I grew up around business and so I didn't and I got burned a lot like I didn't know how to trust people had a lot of trust issues so it's really been this like slow opening for me with relationships September always feels like the start of something new whether it's back to school new projects or just a fresh season it's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home.

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but I remember being a little girl watching her and there with her looking up to her going you know oh my god this girl's amazing and I want to be friends with her and she's fun and she's everything and I if I if I put myself in her shoes that must have been really hard for her because I'm looking up to her like oh wow more like idolizing whereas what someone in that time in your life you really just want a friend yeah you know you don't want someone even even on your level even keeled yeah you don't want to be idolized you just and then and then I guess that's where you kind of would go, oh, that's, you know, I can't trust that, or I don't want to, I can't deal with that. Are there ulterior motives? What do they want?

Yeah. I just wanted to move to Nashville and like have her mom's peach pie. No, I think that is a big thing of, you know, wondering if there's like, why are people here? Yeah. Why do they want to be close to me? And I'm so fortunate now. I think, like I said, over the last decade, I've really been able to cultivate,

like a really good group of people that I know, just want to be around me for me. That's such a beautiful thing to have. How were your parents when you started, you know, on the road? Well, let's back up just a little bit. So you were, you started doing contests, like, going out and right and then weren't you on like

were you on where weren't you on the um star search or something I was on star star yeah yeah that's right star search yeah yes um oh that's so fun I used to watch star search all the time our search was the best it was the best what was his name ed McMahon of course so good oh um okay so you're now was your mom super protected and it was usually your mom with you or your dad or both they both were with me for a while and they got divorced and then my mom kind of went off the road my dad was with me so my dad managed me and was produced me and it was it became I ended up

in a lawsuit with my dad but I was 16 for like three years oh shit it was a nightmare like I have parents should be parents that's how I'm my experience is like when you start when money starts entering the picture and you're managing a career and your your child becomes you know a commodity and it just you lose sight of your child yeah unless you're christ jenner then you want then you want right because she's a genius yeah but no i feel like it just was not it did not work and especially after my parents got divorced and like the whole deal um my mom was super protective and I ended up moving to L.A. by myself when I was 16. Jesus. I was about to, I was about to ask, like, who did you turn to during that? And moving back into the sort of sibling speak,

you know, sometimes when your parents get divorced and you have siblings, you have somebody, you know. Yeah. So my, my girlfriend, Chrissy, who I mentioned earlier, who is like my, my sister, She actually, she's only four years older than me. So I was, I mean, not like she was like someone who could really like look after me. I was 15 at the time. She was 19. She was on the road with me. We were like little hell raisers.

Oh my gosh. That sounds like fun. We had the best time. It was fun. We had the best time. But she came out with me and she was really kind of my rock at that point in my life. And then I moved to L.A. when I was 16 and lived with a boyfriend, which my parents were super excited about.

yeah for like three and a half years and then and then I my my first husband I married my first husband when I was 19 um so young but like by 19 I thought I was 30 yeah well you I mean that that makes sense you did a lot yeah um oh gosh I don't even know where to start I mean I don't even know where to go back to you don't have to go back anywhere no I just keep going forward I want to know what the so so when you signed a record deal or I would assume that your father, who did you sign with? I signed with curb records at the time. So that's also, I went into, at the same time, I went to a lawsuit with my dad.

I was also in a lawsuit with my record label. Yeah, because I have what's known as the worst still in music history. I was like in the deal until I was like 32 years old. So I thought that and ended up resigning with that. them because it was kind of the only way I could get out of it and make music again into a normal contract. And then I ended up, I think I was 29 when I ended up like parting ways with them. Holy shit. That's crazy. I didn't know that. And was your dad the one who made that deal? Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Like, you know, I had an entertainment lawyer at the time who was also

my co-manager. It was all very incestual. And so, you know, my dad, my mom, look, I have no animosity against my parents like I they did the best that they could with what they knew which wasn't a lot you know and it's when you're coming from no money and we lived in this little apartment in Texas and it's like everything's kind of being laid out there in front of you that's your daughter's dream you know do you you go for it and so it's taken me a long time to get to this place but I you know I really like I just I know my parents did the best they could do with what they knew. Also, music is complicated.

Like, even just understanding who gets what and publishing versus the, well, there's just, there's so many different, there's so many different avenues to make money. And when you're signing a deal, I'm not so sure that people who are young or who, they probably, nowadays, it's a little bit different because so many people have been outspoken about it. Right. But I'm not so sure that people really understand. what goes into it and what they're really signing because it's complex and especially now these days

like there's 360 deals so people are taking part of you know they want to take part of your touring and they want to take basically like your firstborn so it's it's way different than back in the day when it was just about records yeah it's it's and and like you said you know your parents at the time i mean they probably had no i mean they could only they only knew what they knew exactly Were you the one who had to do the reconciling? Did you have these feelings of forgiveness and compassion and basically say, you know what? You did the best that you could.

I fucking love you guys. Let's bring it in. Yeah. This was after she sued her father. I'm just saying, like, you know. Yeah, no, I was. I mean, it's so crazy. So my first, my first marriage, my dad actually ended up,

we had our first, we had a father-daughter dance. Like, we reconciled about a week before. So it was like he was there and it was really awkward and it's taken a long time to get to a place where we can like really talk to each other. But yes, it's been a lot of therapy and work on my part to work on myself so that no matter where they are with their own stuff around it, I feel I feel at peace with where I'm at, you know? And it's taken a long time. I mean, when it's, you know, when you're an only child and it's your poor family, like that really kind of, you end up, like, the big bomb just comes in the middle of you and just like, you know, obliterates everything.

I mean, the trauma from that that I obviously didn't know back when I was younger, but as I go older, I was like, oh, there's a lot of trauma. There's a lot to impact. Isn't it crazy, though? Isn't it so crazy how... But it's also in the moment you're not understanding what that trauma is because we have no life experience.

And as you get into relationships and as you sort of discover who you are is when you realize how fucking fucked up you are and the trauma how it's come to life. Absolutely. And when you're in relationships, you see the trauma come right out in the forefront. And you're like, oh, in order to keep these relationships

or in order to build these friendships that I want to build, I'm going to have to deal with my shit. Do you like the work? Do you like the self-reflection? I do. I do. I enjoy it. I mean, definitely, it's been definitely difficult at times.

But I do enjoy it. And when you start to get that momentum after you think some things have started to shift, you're like, this is good. Like, what else can I dig at? yeah yeah the breakthroughs no it's true but it's so funny because I've been through all my wellness shit and I've talked about on this podcast a thousand times but you do get in the zone the zone of sort of getting better but then you get a little bit better and then the upkeep is hard for me meaning I'll do my meditations I'll write in my journal because I feel like

shit and I've got to deal with my anxiety or whatever and the minute I'm like I feel pretty good and then I stop meditating and I stop writing in my journal and it's It's the easiest, that the hardest thing to do. 10 minutes of the day to sit down and just be with myself, but I reject it and reject it and come up with excuses not to. It's so easy to do it. But that's the human condition, right? And I think the more we can accept that, it becomes.

Like, the more we can, because I'm such a perfectionist or I say I'm recovering perfectionist, because I would be one of those people that it's like if you're, if you take. therapy and you take all of these these tools and ultimately because you're not doing them you're beating yourself up i mean you're kind of defeating the purpose and so it's like the more we can the more we can yes keep ourselves um you know on on the right path but also give ourselves some grace when we fall off of it like that's the key Oliver is giving himself too much grace yeah i've said grace every night Jesus that. Amen.

The grace. The perfectionist is not the word to describe. No, no, okay. Look at this outfit. This outfit explains everything. This outfit is perfection. This outfit needs more discipline. No, but here's the thing.

It's true. I am not a perfectionist. Oh, wait, is that mine? No. Are you sure because I have the pants? I have the whole outfit. Oh, okay. Yeah.

It's LaRue or whatever. Okay. Just relax. You have enough clothes. I need clothes. I have to buy my clothes. You don't. So perfectionism is funny you bring this up.

From the outside, it doesn't look like I'm a perfectionist. But what holds me back from my creativity and from reaching my potential as a creative person is fear. Is fear and perfectionism. Because I will sit down and start. start to write something and if it's not fucking perfect, I just stop rather than letting my brain go

vomiting on a page and then coming back Well, that's not perfectionism, that's follow through. That's the problem. No, I need to be perfect in the beginning instead of just being like imperfect. I understand that. Yeah. I have people to see my process. Like I was

just, I'm recording, I did a chant record in 2020. I'm recording my second one right now and when recording chants Like we, it's very different for me, the process, the recording, like a regular record, because there's a structure of a song normally with a regular record. There's a verse course, first course, and it's all good. With chance, like we write, we write a little section and then we kind of like build out from

there. And so it's a real process in the studio of like, let's vomit. Like you say, let's vomit and see what comes out. And so I invited some friends in the other day and I'm like, I don't even know why I did that. I must love you guys because I hate people seeing this process because I feel like it needs to be like in a pretty box before anybody sees it.

I understand that. And I think it was like unconscious of me to invite people in because I think I'm trying to break that for myself. It's a good thing to try to break. For sure. September Owens feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, are just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure.

I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos.

And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith, and that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country.

This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We were getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care.

Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry, patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The one thing for me with writing lyrics, that was the biggest thing.

for me is having the structure of time when someone said you need to get your lyrics done by Tuesday you know get these done by Tuesday or Wednesday even if they're bad but we just we just need to lay some lay it down and get you know and the best thing for me in that process was being okay writing bad lyrics and being like fuck it I just had I'm going to put it down and then I'm going to go sing it. And if I hate it, I hate it. I hate it. I hate it already. But then I'm going to hate it and then I'm going to sit with it.

But at least I have something. Sure. You have something to work off of. And what I realized was that some of them I changed, but some of them actually ended up being what I thought was like the perfectionist in me. It was like those are so shitty. I would sing them and I go, I really like that. Yeah.

I really like it. So I'm a stream of consciousness. writing like a ton of stream of consciousness writing and uh you know I like to write and when I write from my feelings I'm actually you're an amazing writer so I read sometimes I read back my stream of consciousness writing which is just pen on paper I'm sure you've done it and I'll read it back and it's so fucking good I'm a genius yeah I'm like whoa yeah I'm like that's incredible you know so I mean it does sort of say it does sort of speak to letting go

your creativity just unleashing it and you're bound to find nuggets there for sure you are I mean like that's kind of with this chain record where I walk in every day going let's see what we can uncover

because it's otherwise when there's too much structure then there's I feel like there's so much you miss because you're trying to fit in this box that if you don't color outside those lines like and see what another picture you can discover

but I think it takes there trust me I know that fear deeply of as being a with being a creator and I think it's taken me I think it's taken me enough times of like getting brave enough to color outside the lines

and discovering something cool to go oh like it's like a new neural pathway of like oh I remember it might suck for a moment but like there's something out there that I'm going to discover. So I think it's doing it enough to start creating that new neural pathway of like

of a new, you know, new exploration. Totally. Yeah. Totally I can relate to that. Can you share with us how you got into what the album is called God's Work, the last one you just toured? And now, explain your religious connection. Are you religious?

um are you spiritual i'm i grew up southern baptist and had a lot of um challenges around um the way i was raised and um i look if organized religion works are people amazing all for it um i just find that there's a lot um there's a lot of disc it keeps us disconnected from one another and so on when i had a of time like everybody to sit around and, you know, during COVID and question the big things. One of the biggest questions for myself is, you know, how do I move out of my own way? I guess this kind of goes back to what we're just talking about. How do I move out of my own way to be more of a conduit for a more loving, as a more loving being and as a creator? Like, how can I allow things to flow through me that are based in love? And so, and that really brought up a lot

of a lot of old stuff around like how I was raised in religion and and how much that keeps us divided and it's like you know are we if we're trying to create a better world for each other like why are we still why are we still keeping this division going and so it's funny because why are we fighting over which god yeah we're all talking about the same thing right like ultimately at the end of the day so when I started working on this record I knew God's work with the title because I knew it would be very polarizing, which I loved, because I think people thought they knew what it was about. Like, I remember so many people when I released it, they were like, why did you release a Christian record?

I'm like, you haven't listened to it. Like, it's not about that, actually. And so I knew it would draw people in. I knew it would confuse a lot of people. And I just, that's what art is, right? Like, I wanted people to listen to it and take from it what they were going to take from it, you know, for themselves. And when you do, when you're writing the chance, your chance, is it something that you kind of see as a channel? Like you go in.

Yeah, absolutely. I'll meditate. And usually I'll just start singing. I look at my chant album is kind of like mantra puts music. Right. I mean, we, I write chance all that time because I write courses and courses are pretty much chance. So I was like, well, can't I take that and create more of it? of a chant record and really kind of put basically make it a mantra based record.

So I'll sit in my own meditations and start feeling like what wants to be said. What do I need to hear? And all of a sudden I'll just start singing and I'll put my phone on and I'll press record. And like most of the time I love it is sometimes absolute shit. And is it just repetition based? Yeah, repetition based. Yeah. And is it all lyrics or lyrics?

sounds or both. Both. Yeah. That's cool. It's really fun. It's been really, yeah. It's been. Do you listen to chanting, different sort of spiritual chanting, like the Kyoto monks and all that?

Yeah, I do. I do. But it's interesting because a lot of chanting isn't very musical. There's some beautiful chanting, but it's not very musical. So I think it's kind of, for me, it was like taking the best of both worlds of like this whole, you know, the real spiritual chanting. chanting and then kind of this idea of just kind of like some pop melodies but not making the chant sound too much like songs, but keeping the repetition going so people can really follow along.

And I just want people to, you know, it's hokey enough that when people walk away, you know, when they, then they press stop, they can walk away with these really beautiful mantras in their head going around and round to lift them up. That's really ultimately what I want. let's let's let's I'm gonna I'm gonna rewind no oh god damn it I want to ask one thing just just from going back to the whole fear I was gonna go back I know just going back to the whole fear base thing you know when you when you take a departure sort of from who Leanne rhymes is and however they are being perceived and now you are doing this taking a chance with these records are you is there a worry that it's not gonna take you know that you that people have put money into this and it's not going to sell from the business side of things, or do you just not participate mentally into that? You're like, I'm going to do my art and then fuck it. There is a bit, yes and no.

I mean, I'm very aware of like, you know, here I put my own money into it. People have other people have put their money into it. Like, ultimately, it's not about that for me. I hope it does. But, yeah, it's more, for me, it's always been more about focused on the art, do what I love and if people get it they get it and sometimes people get it like two years later sometimes it's like it just takes a moment to catch on because people have this idea of you in their head and it's you know after they hear you talk about it for a year or two they're like

oh we really like we really dig this we could get on board so sometimes it just takes a moment but i really for me nowadays it's like i just kind of go in the direction of what lights me up to create yeah i'm the same I just channel the Andre 3000 method and like just be like, you know what? I'm making an album and it's going to be a flute. And good for him. And I love that you're doing that by the way. It's going to.

Oh, thanks. Yeah. I love it. I've always loved writing music. But like, I just go for the money. I just whatever's going to pay me. Just fucking I'll do anything. Andre 3000 making a flute album is one of the great things of all time.

Yes. And it's so good. I've loved Outcast for a thousand years. I love And everyone's like, he's got an album coming on. They're like, it's the flute. And you're like, yeah, and it's awesome. Yeah, it's fine. No, it's awesome.

And if we wouldn't get sued, I'd play a little bit. But, Leanne, your story is different than a lot of pop star stories, which is that you came in hot and then after you had your big, like, young thing, it was hard. I mean, I kind of want to get into that a little bit with you if you'd share it because I think that when we put pressure on kids and you have that kind of fame, and then there's an expectation after that. Also, I want to, I want to know how that felt for you. And then how to kind of look at that and say at the end of the day, it's not how many records you're selling anymore, but it is who you are as an artist. because no one's on top forever. No, no one is.

And it's interesting. Madonna. My, not even Madonna. I mean, everybody's, you know, like, she's had moments where, like, you know, she's kind of, you just kind of go off. It's a roller coaster. It's a roller coaster. Paul McCartney.

It's interesting. Okay. Yes, for Palm McCartney. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, well, definitely. My age and my story was so big at such a young age. And my record label, like, has. acquired all of these records when I signed like I started making albums at like eight and so

they had acquired all of this music beforehand so not only did they put out my first album within I guess a year I had like three albums out because of like all this music had beforehand so it wasn't like they were they were making money they were they weren't trying to develop an artist and so you know it was it was a very fast like it was a very fast burn I was people's faces all the time. And then I, you know, I started, we started in country music, then I had these huge crossover hits and people, country music wanted to disown me, like, because you're not supposed to cross over to pop artists as, you know, and I, I fought that battle for a long time. Like there were, where nowadays, there's not a lot of, you know,

there's not a lot of lines drawn around like genres of music. They're much more blurred. There were back in the day and so. Yes, and you were so young. Yeah, but then people, but that's and that so, I mean, imagine how imagine what that must feel like to be 14, 15 years old and to have that kind of pressure at you, that kind of polarizing back and forth about you, you're 15, you're developing, your brain, everything's developing. It's like, that's hard. And you want, like, people expect you to do the same thing for the rest of your life when you start as a fetus? Like, that's impossible. Like, yeah.

And so I think at, I guess my late 20s, I really started developing my artistry. Like that was always there, but I really started writing my own music. And I just, like I said earlier, I just, the music business is insane. And there's such a game to play. And I don't, I don't want to play the game. Like, I just, I want to make music. I want to make people feel something. Like, that's what.

it's about for me and I know if I stick to that like this roller coaster that I've been riding forever like there will be more ups and I know they'll be downs but like the I've been doing this for 30 years like I'm one of the few that can say that um that people still listen and still give a shit and so I'm lucky like I'm lucky that people have grown into seeing what kind of artists I am and they support that and it's not just about commercial music because if i i could go do that in a heartbeat i've done it i've recorded songs that i don't sing anymore because i don't like them they've been hits and i'm like i didn't like it in the first place but i did it because i knew it would be it would be successful and so that's just soul-sucking that's really really soul-sucking and so

finally one day in my late 20s i was like i can't do that anymore so yeah do you ever have like pop hits running around in your head we're like man i'm not going to do that but that would be huge. I think we all want those. I'm not so sure you'd be like, no. Well, maybe, maybe like, let's get that pop head out of my head. Well, maybe I'll write it and then give it to someone else. Yeah, no, I think, I think there's a way to have it all.

I think there's a way to have some pop hits that have some substance. Yeah. I would hope. But it's, it's rare that those break through these days because it doesn't seem like, I don't know, it doesn't think like there's a lot of substance anymore. I feel kind of bad for music in general sometimes. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season.

It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them

feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born

outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't. doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country.

This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. backed by millions in venture capital and private equity,

it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny.

Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How long have you been with Eddie now? We've been married. We'll be married 13 years in April. That feels like yesterday. I know.

That's when, yes, because I mean, we all remember it. I was a chance to that. It's amazing. But, you know, it really does feel like yesterday that's so crazy so you're raising you're helping raise two boys and how's that been for you being an only child the transition into that you know was that like discovering i know we hit on a little bit but was it like discovering a whole new world yes that was especially boys because they beat the crap out of each other like and up until like maybe a couple years ago and now

they're mason will be 21 soon and jake so yeah just until the a couple years ago when Jake got big enough to actually like kick his brother's ass and so they now have stopped fighting but yeah Mason's 6-6 6-6-6-3 and they're men they're like young and so when I first was around them

I would like they would just start fighting in the whole deal and I'm like Eddie is this what's supposed to happen is normal so it was it was such a shocker for me but it was so you know like I've really I really, really enjoyed getting to be around them and to help raise them.

When do you start to find your voice as like a stepmom? I was just about to say it took a while to settle in. Like, I would say, I would say it felt like very much an outsider for about three or four years. And then after that, I started to, I kind of started to settle into that role. And it's like you kind of, you don't know your place. You feel like you need to, especially when they're younger, like you really need to show up in your household is. like a mother figure and then after a while you're kind of like I'm just going to sit back you guys have a great time enjoy parenting I'll be over here you know if you need my help like if the

boys want to come to me and ask me a question I'm here to help like it kind of ended up that way of like I'm here to love but like I don't need to get in anybody's way yeah it's a fine balance being a stepparent so hard it is it's a challenging well There's a lot of factors. There's a lot of factors, yeah. That's a lot of factors. Yeah. That's right. That's right. It matters. You know, we have a great situation with my ex-Matt and Bay. Ryder's out of the house. So he's cooked. Right. But like, but, but Bing is 12 and our really, we're basically like, we like travel together.

I know. It's like we vacationed together. You know, we are And our stepmom, I mean, Bing's stepmom and Danny, my man and his stepdad, it's like the perfect scenario because we're such present parents, me and Matt, that everybody is involved. Like, we do our parent teacher conferences together and Bing's just got like the best. He does a pretty good scenario. It's amazing. Yeah, I mean, we've gotten to that place where, I mean, I've always kind of gone to.

to all the boy school stuff and been involved and, um, you know, are their mom and we, um, we have Christmas together and Thanksgiving and that kind of stuff. And, you know, it can still be a little sticky sometimes, but it's just like, that's just relationship. Yeah. That's yeah. Well, it's yeah. Absolutely. Do you do, are you still in therapy? I mean, are you done? Oh, no. I mean, are we ever done? No, never done. I take break I just haven't been in it in a minute I'm like God I probably should

But his price is going up No I mean I'll take I'll take breaks But I definitely am always doing You know some some kind of form of something Like I don't need therapy talk therapy I'll do breath work and like things that I feel You know kind of really open me up and keep me connected So it is never ending

But it is It is but it's a good journey I actually, I've actually calmed down on it. Like, I used to, I used to try to do everything to try to make myself better. Right. And now I've really kind of like settled into myself. And so there's a lot more being, you know, beingness instead of like constantly in acceptance of where I'm at now instead of trying to like get out of the place that I'm at.

And maybe that's because I've done so much work that I'm now kind of in this place of. Yeah. settled if you had to pull one thing out of yourself to heal it more you know what I mean and we're able to put it up on the wall look at it what would that thing be oh wow you know I mean I think everything boils down for me to to abandonment issues so I think you know to really feel secure and I think I think I've gotten I've gotten to a place where I feel so I feel very secure in myself knowing that I can take care of me no matter what what come what or who comes and goes yeah but that took a while because I was you know I was so dependent on my parents and for everything

not just parenting but then for business and so when that broke up I think that was such a big a big trauma yeah the abandonment thing is is good but see a band I can relate to that and if I was to break mine down it would be the roots would be abandonment, but then pulling from that, getting more specific, would be sort of lack of self-love, self-worth, which is what I would work on probably the most. When I did this situation, I went to a place called the Hoffman Institute, Kate, shut up, I left there as the, as what I knew I could be, my potential, my full potential as a human being. You know, there's a honeymoon phase and then you sort of slip back into the real world

and shit starts to pile on a little bit. You have more tools in your toolbox. But you leave that fucking place like, oh my God, like this is who I, this is my potential, you know, and it all stems from that true belief in who you are, that true love for who you are against all odds. And no matter what anyone says or does to you, I love who I am, which is not an easy place to get too by the way it's not um i've done a lot of have you done em d r work at all it's really interesting i've done some emdr work over the past year is that the um is that the uh the uh the eye yes yes yeah um so i've done that over the past year and that's really been helpful um but the one thing i've learned in that therapy is my one of my deepest beliefs maybe you can relate to this is i'm bad

and it's really simple and fundamental and probably started when I was an infant of I'm bad and you know like as kids we internalize everything because we're so dependent on our parents like anything that happens is it's my fault like you know we think it's all the world revolves around us so I internalize from very early on as I'm bad and like what comes out of that like is just wild how it has manifests itself. So I relate because I think I really had a lot of self-worth issues

for so long. And I think EMDR has probably been one of one of the most helpful things in in softening I guess those beliefs. That's amazing. Wow, cool. I've heard a lot about it. Holly sent me this great

like real on Instagram. Wasn't my like high music? No. Ollie sends me He gets high And he sends me Smoke my joints or whatever And he sends me like weird music

Oh my God And sometimes I'm like wow That was That's like There's some good shit in there There's some great ones And then sometimes I'm like This is so like old Ollie

Like Ollie Like Ollie's just old EDM music That's good though It's like EDM meets like R&B Right He's like weird dudes Like touching weird things

It's like what He's just way too high But Now I forgot what I was oh it was this great reel about this this gentleman talking about how you speak to your kids that you are you are what becomes their inner voice so and you're yelling at them in the morning or you're telling them before they go to bed and you get get you're you know criticizing them or judging them that these are the things that are creating that inner voice. And it was so powerful to me. That was Des Bryant. Because...

Cowboy. It was a receiver for the cowboy. Yeah. And, oh, that's who that was. Yeah. Oh, okay. And, but it was so beautiful. Yeah.

And he was crying. He was emotional. Oh, he was really emotional. Because he and he said, I didn't have that. So I didn't have someone who gave me the opportunity to have an inner voice that was nurturing or safe. I mean, I'm now speaking for him. but calm or, you know, warm.

And we don't realize how impactful how we speak to our children, but we do it all the time. Oh, yeah. Got down that's day. And you're like, oh, wait, stop. You know what I mean? It's not nice. It doesn't feel good.

Yeah, but when they're being like total assholes, like they deserve some of it. Like, they need some of it. There has to be some tough love. Okay, okay. You know? How was your tour? Did you enjoy it? I did.

I love touring. I do. I actually, the end of last year, no, the end of 2022, I was supposed to do a Christmas tour and I burst a blood vessel on my vocal cord from coughing, which was awful. And I was on voice rest for like completely for like four weeks, had to cancel my Christmas tour. And so getting back into touring this year was the first like six months was like, I had rehabbed. it was like slowly I was performing but it was like complete rehab honestly for like six months and and so yeah it was I loved playing this music I loved playing this record it's how do you perform

chant music so we just did I loved this we just did this performance here at this beautiful Presbyterian church in August and it was we did we we did it with the candle the candlelight people who'd like set up like three thousand candles in this incredible church and there was piano and percussion and strings and it was literally I took people through some meditations and we literally sat and I performed like a bunch of chant chant music and it was it's the first time I've ever done that talk about doing something different that I'm like this is either going to suck I have no idea what I'm doing and it was so incredible that I'm like I fell in love with that kind of performance like I literally sat there

on my little like yoga cushion and just sang to everybody and it was so beautiful so I'm going to do more of that when the next chant record comes out so yeah that's exciting yeah love it um all right i think we're you know what i want to go back to and finish this up to book end this you said something in the very beginning that if you had a sibling you think your life might have been different. Yeah. How do you think that? Where do you how do you why? I feel like I was a I needed a lot of energy for my parents like I feel like my my gift and what I you know my my voice and singing like it took up so much time I I think it would I think it would have been hard on my sibling. Um, to have that kind of energy going toward one child. Um,

In my mind, it would have taken away a lot of love and nurturing and energy from them. So I think it would have just been really hard on my parents. And I don't know if I don't know if I would have had, you know, the dedication from them completely, like the time and energy from them to be able to do what I did so young. Who knows how it would have turned out. Yeah. No, I know. Imagine if it was just me.

I know. Imagine. How many siblings? How many siblings are you there? I could have been great. Could have been great. We have, we're blood. If you didn't have siblings, you'd be a nightmare. I'd probably be dead.

We're blood. And then we have a half, Wyatt, and a step, Boston. And then we have two halves from dad, Emily and Zach, who we are currently like super connected to now and it's been amazing. And Kate has made that all happen. And it's been really, really fun to get to go to the Hudson side of the family. Like, pretty special. And then we have another half brother who's an older gentleman who we just found out about five or six years ago.

And then we have a younger. And then we have a younger. Who's younger than my son, writer. She's younger. So his aunt is two years younger than that. Yeah, there's a lot of like sex happening. Oh, God, there's so many of you. Yeah, with a lot of different people.

It's the Italian side of us. And then according to 23 And it all makes sense. Potentially another one. It all tracks and DNA is strong. Right, but we're the only blood. Got it. Full blood.

Of like all. Oh, and Zach and Emily. And Zach and Emily. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. There you have it. If I ever need a sibling, I'm just, just come here.

Yeah, yeah. I don't give you one. We rent them. well thank you so much so awesome I can't wait to hear the new chant album thank you very much yes

when it's done I'll send it over it over awesome thanks guys how to get me okay you too see you later bye bye awesome

awesome yeah Oliver get other woman I know no no I help you come on well they're definitely not

that you won't get sued for that because I don't know what that works. Hannah, you better keep this in. I mean, let's just take a risk. The worst thing they can do is you got to take it out. You know what I mean? Like, we've got to live on the edge. That's true. We're going to live on the edge.

That's true. Living on the edge. Ding. Licensing. That's true. So can we, you know. He'd have to sue us. Wow.

Love her. Great. Fantastic. What a woman. You know what I love about this show. What? Other than you. I love the most unexpected people that we've interviewed.

I just, which is the best time. I know. People are fucking great. People are great. And we, you know, there's so much judgment. Remember when we interviewed Nickelback? Yeah.

I mean, think about how much judgment went into Nickelback and how great they were. I know. And nice and, you know, fuck. fun to talk to. I know. I just, I mean, not that it's a, you know, I'm just saying that I wasn't expecting. That's not cool. Leanne, I did not.

That's not what I was saying. I was just saying that when I don't have an expectation of how I'm going to go into something, how people surprise you. 100%. I'd say 98% of the time we are surprised by the people who we don't quite know that well. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And then there's another two that just fall flat.

that's true like Glenn Powell we're definitely keeping that in we're definitely keeping that in we love you Glennie of course we do um all right that was awesome

oh that was so great thank you Leanne rhymes yish bye I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

The Moment is a space for the conversations we've been having us, father and daughter, for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. podcast. Introducing IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup. While KindBody did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get. your podcasts. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old

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