Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Let the Games Begin with Bode Miller & Morgan Beck

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

Married athletes Bode Miller and Morgan Beck know a lot about competing and winning, but raising a large family is an extreme sport and they're still learning the rules. Find out why this competitive couple almost called it quits, what kept them together, and the shocking announcement from Morgan about her future in Volleyball. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry. That's good.

This is Oliver Hudson, and welcome to another episode of a sibling revelry where there is no sibling in this episode. I have a fill-in because my sister Kate Hudson is working. So I'd like everyone to welcome to the stage, Miss Aaron Hudson. Thanks, babe, for the intro. We had a podcast called Unconsciously Coupled for a while. It wasn't making any money, so I dropped it.

And it caused a big fight. And I was like, is this all about money? And I said, yeah. Yeah, it is. It is all about money. And I can't waste my time with you. Well, I've got money to be made, you know. Got it.

Great. Good to know. Thanks, babe. But very excited to have my beautiful wife filling in. I have a surprise guest for her coming up. Oh. Yeah. So we have Bodie Miller and his amazing wife, Morgan, on.

Morgan Beck and very excited to talk to them. I've known Bodie for many, many years now. We figured it would be best to bring on sort of a couple. Maybe not talk about siblings, maybe talk about siblings, but just the ins and the outs of having a relationship for as long as they have, dealing with tragedy as they have, coming out the other side like they have, parenting, relationships, living in a mountain town, two Olympians they're just seemingly on paper a pretty a pretty powerful couple and yet we did we

I have met them both as well and I remember walking away just in awe at how down to earth cool relatable ridiculously gorgeous both of them were but it was such a pleasant surprise and they were just so real so yeah yeah no it's it's it's it's going to be fun it's going to be fun to talk to them all right well let's bring on bodie and morgan hi guys yeah how are you hi hi hi what's up everybody oh sweetie i haven't seen you in forever how are you oh my gosh how cute wait a minute are you guys in you're in the same house separate places he's upstairs and i'm dad here.

Amazing. It's just easier that way, I take it. No, he's traveling right now, and we actually moved back to California. Stop it. No, you did not. Hi, neighbor. Oh, my God. Yay.

Yay for us. Wait a minute. First of all, it's just preface the same, but I've known Bodie for a long-ass time. We played a bunch of golf together. We've had a few cocktails together a few times 10. and, you know, just hit it off. And Morgan, we've known now for a long, long time. And they're the most amazing sort of power couple, been through the shit,

come out the other side, getting the shit, come out of the shit. That's what we do. They move to Big Sky, which, by the way, we're going to be there March 23rd. So, of course, now you guys are gone, right? Oh, no, we'll come. Yes, you have to come back. I was literally thinking. I was like, oh, no.

I was so jealous of the move because living in the mountain town is just so, amazing. We took the kids to Aspen for years and put them in school there and lived there just because we wanted to get them into the mountains and away from the cities, right? So now what the hell are you doing? How come you're moving back? Well, it's so funny

because before we started, we were chatting for a minute and I was like, God, they're living in the dream, they're in the mountains, this and that, but I was like, but Morgan's a beach girl. Like, I wonder how that's affecting her. And like maybe down the road, they're going to be by coastal, but yeah.

yeah something in there but uh what happened answer that's the cold and dark long winters did not affect her well yeah she's actually tough it out she toughed out for those you know four years and i think it was awesome for the kids but also some other changes we're gonna let morgan fill you guys in on on some of her opportunities no no it's your deal yeah um some some natural points, you know, our 11-year-old is super into football. And, you know, there's great parts about Montana that I think all our kids will benefit from as they grow up. But there was, there's just a bit more, I guess, natural fit for where our family's at

in Southern California right now. And it won't be long. It sounds like if Morgan will share her upcoming challenges. Let's see. I'm going back to play volleyball professionally. What? the front door. This is so badass.

On the beach door? No, so I'm going back to indoor. It's a really cool opportunity that came up. And I mean, we've been friends forever. So you know I've been momming for a really long time. Yeah. And I was on Instagram one day. Lindsay Bond posted this picture that she invested in a new volleyball league.

And I followed nothing volleyball. So I start going down the rabbit hole. And I realized that the guy who's running it is actually. one of my old coach was from the national team and one of the founding athletes is one of my old teammates from the national team and college. So I reached out to him. Well, first I called Bodie and I was like, hey, I've got this crazy idea. What do you think?

And he was like, hell, yes. And I was like, that is not what I expected. And then I called Tom and Carly. And same thing. They're like, hell, yeah. So I've been training for like four months. I got surgery four weeks ago. We moved back here. Wow.

We're just, it's cool gas. And so the kind of sight. I mean, it's going to be cool, too. They get to see that mom kicks ass. She doesn't just wipe ass. Well said. And well played. Good for you guys.

Honestly, I feel like being able to be spontaneous and take those risks also for your kids is amazing, no matter what comes out of it. And it sounds like you'll be coming back and you have a lot of A family was here too? You know, I think it's an amazing thing, sort of, you know, moving from kicking, moving, from wiping ass to kicking ass, you know, especially when you have kids who have only seen you wipe ass and have heard about you kick ass, right? You know, it's funny, Aaron and I have these conversations, you know, she was an actress

and a model and she did all of her stuff and was successful. And then we had kids and she just wanted to be a mom, you know, but we've, she's expressed sort of her insecurities sometimes about sort of just being a mom in the sense of I feel like I should be doing something you know and when that I guess when that when that when that when that itch becomes you know almost you have to scratch it is when you sort of get back into the game I've asked her countless times like if you want to go back into the game let me know but I will say acting and competing at a sport are quite different and the scary the scary factor right the emotional and the psychological is exactly the same.

It's no different, right? You were skilled, you had your shit. Morgan, I mean, in a lot of ways, what Morgan's doing is, you know, is scary for me just because of the physical demands, right? Acting, sure, there's like a look and there's, but you have the skill set and there's always roles for people who have that amazing skill set.

Whereas, you know, normally it's one direction as an athlete. You kind of, you do some ass kicking. You start kicking less ass as you get older. And then you're like, okay, now it's time to present like, I could keep kicking ass, but not even put myself out there, right? And that's the natural progression. So it's really cool. I mean, you know, granted, you know, and I'll spend a second pumping Morgan's tire.

She's, she's such a gifted athlete. And I don't, you know, she's, if it was me, I wouldn't do it, right? Like, I could, I don't think I would be functional to go back in race. I could, I could do certain parts of it. But I just was, I had to work so hard just to get to a level where I could compete there. Whereas Morgan is kind of the specimen. and she's the optimal sort of size and athleticism for her sport. And that makes it a bit more accessible.

But I don't think you'd find too many people who are like, yeah, sure, you know, get to the top of sport, spend, you know, 12 years having a bunch of kids and and then go back and try to compete against girls who are 15 years younger than you. And, you know, it's like, they'd be like, yeah. But in this case, I mean, I have confidence in her and I think it's awesome. It's going to be a challenge. And I want to see her come up against that because I, you know, I didn't really know her when she was in her indoor years. I just saw videos and stuff.

And it's pretty awesome to watch. And I want to see, you know, her reaction. She's more mature now and has all this, you know, like you said, we've been through the shit. And I think all those things, those life lessons can be applied really, you know, in a positive way to any sport, any team environment. And I'm unsighted to see her bringing the noise on people. Keep going, sweetie. I'm loving this. I know.

Do you still have the hops? Can you still get up? Not yet. As of right now, no. I've only seen her leave the ground twice in the last 10 years. And both of them were as she was launching herself onto the couch, and she really only got to the couch. Exactly. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

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wondering, like, well, what am I going to do? And I got really lucky. I did a bunch of golf clinics over the summer with a lot of older women whose kids just left. And they were like, I don't know what to do with my life. I don't know who I am. I don't, like, identity crisis completely. And they said, you should figure out now what it is you want to do. So I'm kind of thinking to myself for a while like what where do I go what do I do what inspires me what is it that like I want to put my energy into in addition to my kids and right when this popped up it was almost like it was completely out of my control I was like oh shit here we go if I can contribute something to I think we were in a weird a bit of a weird situation because when we were in California it was

Morgan's home, right? Like, that's where she grew up. And so she was in mom mode, but she still had this like residual identity that was linked to all that stuff. And, and I think that would have probably been, it would have extended her period before she started to have those recognition moments of like, whoa, I, I have a lot of shit that I'm, you know, that I'm good at or that I, you know, I want to do. And I should be, you know, taking that more, more sort of by the horns. But then when we went to Montana, it was so far out of her element. and so removed. And she's seeing all these, you know, YC people and who are on, you know, permanent vacation just ripping around. And it's like, I think it just really highlights the,

the sort of, and her being completely out of her element was even more sort of dislocating in a way. So her identity was even more, you know, confusing and lost. And we had a lot of talks over the years about that, kind of like her feeling like, you know, not just that she didn't necessarily like the dark cold, but just the whole thing. She didn't feel. connected to people and she didn't feel like it was her life. And so when this came up, that was a part of it. I was like, we were already basically like, we got to get out of here because she's not feeling fulfilled. She's not feeling like engaged with people. It was just too foreign and too kind of like, I don't know, outside of. I think this is a cool topic.

It's a cool topic, though, just on a broader sense. Because, you know, you have to sacrifice in relationships. There's no doubt about that, right? But you had an opportunity to go to Big Sky and do something cool. Morgan, of course, you know, there's support there. But how does that sort of manifest itself within the four or five years that you're there within your relationship? And is there a ticking clock where you're like, all right,

babe, I'll go do this, but this is not going to be my fucking life forever. You know what I mean? A ticking clock. It was made clear. It was, she's like, I'm trying. I'll give it a damn good effort. But you could see that it was like,

it was ticking right from, you know, And she did. I'll give her. She made a great effort. And there was great moments. There was lots of good stuff. But it was just, it was too foreign and too, you know. And then there's, of course, there's a million factors that could have gone differently.

But we were ready to be out of there anyway without this coming up. And so then when this came up, I was here for like, look, we're going to go back to California. And it's kind of going to be the same thing there. Yeah, you'll fall back into that kind of more comfort zone stuff. But like the challenges are still there. Life is, you know, yours to own. And it's hard. You know, if you don't have a program, if you're not in a system, it's like, here's

your next step, here's your next thing, here's your next thing. And we aren't, which I think is a great gift, but it's also, you know, it's scary and challenging because you have to make the call and you have to be willing to accept the outcome of that. And a lot of times you screw up or you fail or, you know, it's like, and that's hard. If you're in a system, it's just like, you're just, you know, and especially with someone of Morgan's sort of skills and talents, if she's in a system, she could do whatever. If she was in a corporate job, she'd crush it and get to the top.

If she was in a sport, she'd crush it against the top. top like it's just the way she is but when there's this unknown she's real tentative you know because she hasn't had that ownership she's been in systems since she was born basically and so i thought so yeah anyway i support it just because i think it's going to be awesome it'll be fun for me and the kids to go and watch her you know smash the ball on people so i don't think it was a 10 o'clock i mean i think it was a really cool opportunity for the family and for the kids and like especially in the beginning when you have a bunch of little children your thought process is always what's going to be best for them and not certainly what was best for them in

that moment and so we did it but i definitely get like like bodey said you kind of get into that idol of like waiting for time to pass and being in a really transient community like it was it was part of it were incredible and i wouldn't change it for the world but it really like when you have to be that still it's not all the chaos and stimulation that we have in california so i was forced to be really still with myself and had shit come up that was like the loss of our daughter and childhood trauma and like sitting with really uncomfortable emotions which honestly put a strain on voids of my relationship to some extent and I think like we came out a lot stronger because our communication skills um have grown over the years with everything that we've kind of been through

but I don't think I went into it with the ticking clock I think it just it put me in such an uncomfortable position through the process that kind of like as i got to that point of like okay i can't sit in this space of idle forever like i have to go back and find the inspiration and find what it is i want to do that's going to fill up my bucket so it doesn't feel like it's constantly being psyched out as i'm processing all this other crap that's coming out and i also wanted to stay married to my husband so yeah sometimes sometimes Sometimes. Do you think that there is a beauty to the sort of madness in a sense?

You had to be still. You had to go inward. You couldn't use the distractions of Callie or anything else to sort of mask anything. And it allowed you to sort of be more internal to open up and to sort of heal or go through things, you know, without having to. Yeah. I think any time you're forced to kind of sit and just be with yourself. and have it be quiet without like you know kids during school and yeah we still have young kids but i'm not going to three different football practices and four different baseball games and

interacting with all those parents it was a lot of solitude and isolation and yeah that it definitely it's beautiful and the fact that i'm a completely different person now than i was when we moved there four years ago for the better and my relationship with bodee is way to stronger. My ability to be a mother is way better. But it came, like, it was a process and it comes with a cost. And even though, like, there were moments of just really dark times, I, now that I'm on the other side of it, I am so grateful for it. I was just going to say, looking back, it'll be the most, you know, magical time, especially as the kids get older, you look back at those memories and they'll be ingrained and you guys and the kids will have it and it's just

such a I don't know blessing I think to be out of something and looking back at it because when we moved to the mountains it was kind of a spontaneous move he wasn't working at the time our kids were still pretty little and we spend a lot of time there in the summer and we love it and we have friends there we're just like imagine living here imagine living here it's the dream and one night before we were supposed to leave over like maybe one too many glasses of wine. He was like, well, we could put the kids in school here and like stay. And I was like, you would never. He's like, you would never. And I was like, let's go tomorrow and look at the schools. And we literally, it was that spontaneous. And we just thought it would be so good for our kids is what's so

interesting. And it ended up being the most amazing like year and a half for us. And it. And it really, I faced a lot of challenges there, just, you know, the kids like skiing and riding dirt bikes and, you know, a lot of my fears of like, you know, wanting my kids to just be like, she wants them to like be, play the clarinet. I know. I'm really like, you know, it's like that's, and even that might be a little dangerous. It's funny because I grew up playing sports, three sports a year. I played lacrosse in college. I was like, oh yeah, my kids are going to be athletes. And all of a sudden, there they were riding dirt bikes, doing BMX, skiing, flying down these hills. And I was like, wait a minute. I should want to just be in

the band or something? But it challenged me. And I knew it was so good for them. But we ended up having some of the best bonding times for us. And really, it was the opposite. It was like leaving Los Angeles and and being removed was actually kind of a blessing for us. Just the downtime, the slow time, the being immersed with the kids. You know, L.A. is like, go, go, go. And when we were there, we were cooking dinners, playing games, like, just with the kids and us much more than we were here. So it was like, kind of like that.

But then we came back because he had to work. And I was thinking, oh, my God, I can't believe we're leaving this place and we're bringing our kids back to L.A. But it ended up kind of being amazing that special time. And looking back for us, it was just. Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's such an amazing experience. It's the mosaic concept, right, of like lots of things, like, whether you think your life

has dots or, you know, tiles of a mosaic. And a lot of times when you're in it, it's more just like, what the fuck is this? Or like, you know, where is this going? or, and then it's not until later when you can kind of have some retrospective, you know, the angles on it, you can see that the picture that all those little tiles that some of them sucked, but in every really great mosaic, you need some black ones or some, you know, funky ones in there that, you know, it's not all good, but the good stuff, you know, ends up being highlighted and comes together.

Like, I like that, the sort of visual, like, whether it's a, you know, a mosaic or just connecting the dots. later on, you can see how they all connect and where these challenging moments gave you skill sets that apply so much, you know, I'm not really a big fate person, but there is something that creates that kind of continuity. And I think it's more just if you keep the right attitude and you're like, look, this is how it goes. This is life, right? There's going to be hard times. And then, you know, you develop skills through those challenging times. And that was, you know, it was great to see Morgan, you know, come out of it because there's times where I was like,

oh shit man i don't know she might burn our house down or like you know because it's just like when you're in that when you're in those moments it's friggin tough i've i've been in them myself and it's like you know you want to just get out but a lot of times that's not really the answer the answer comes like when it's the right time to get out and that's what i think we did so i'm i'm looking back on do you go did you guys have did you guys have a moment where it was like we're not going to make it, you know, our relationship, meaning like, I'm going to do my best, but I said, I don't know if this is going to fucking happen anymore. Morgan has those, I would say, I don't have them. I'm a, I'm a very steady grinder. It's one of them, it's really my only, my only real strength is that, like,

I have really good long game, like my brain works well that way, and I have very good discipline and focus on that. And like, my top priority has been Morgan and the kids, everything else is kind of just like there and I put energy into it and I can but definitely we had I mean that's not totally true like when we hit 2024 and a friend of ours asked him like what was your high and what was your low

of 2023 and he burst into tears and you did say you're like I didn't know if we were going to make it or not through 2023 like that was like a feeling and yeah I have my moments and we had

some communication breakdown downs and some just some things along the way that kind of affected trust for a period of time and 2023 was brutal. Dude, I trust me, we've been together for 23 years. We've been

through the fucking ringer. There's been infidelity. There has been all kinds of shit that we have worked through and, you know, we couldn't be stronger for it. And not to say that everything's perfect, it never is.

You know, but you know that you can get through things. You know, obviously you guys have faced a lot of adversity in your relationship and in your family life. But I think that couples now are too quick to just call it fucking quits. If something goes wrong and you don't agree with, I'm out of here. You know, I like that idea of the long game. If there's something solid there, if there's love there, if she recognized something that, you know, of course you want to be impulsive, but I think she's something bigger, you know, to where it's, wait a minute, I know this hurts, but let's take a step back and look at the big picture here, you know? Yeah. Also, resilience, you know, I think those words you were kind of throwing out there as like resilience came to mind where, you know, even with our kids today, whatever it is, I'm like, there's something about the grit and the grind and the fight, the coming out on the other side of stuff, little big, whatever it might be. just can make you feel closer. I feel like it's growth, you know, which is so important for your kids to see.

And relationships, when you're in it for the long haul, you're going to be evolving. And I think a lot of times you hear about, you know, people breaking up or divorce. And it's like, we grew apart. We changed. Those are, that's true. I mean, people do change, especially as you evolve or get older. But it's like, all right, can we kind of give and take or, you know, leave space? for what's going on over here or what we've been through,

you know, kind of give the other person the stage or, you know, not. I always, I've said this before, but there was a great quote I read in an interview once about this couple. And they've been together for, you know, celebrating 65 years of marriage. And the daughter asked,

why did you guys never get divorced or how? And they said, we never wanted to get divorced at the same time. And I always thought that was such a great quote because, you know what I mean? I think sometimes that does happen and look, you know, it can go that way. But I feel like you guys, what I've loved and just, you know, envied along the way is you, you started your relationship, not, you know, this picture perfect, you know, story of, you know, an 80s road. Right.

I mean, it's nutty, right? I mean. But to me, I'm like, there's such beauty in kind of these two, you know, and just incredible, just. Yeah, correct me if I'm wrong, right? You guys got together with Bodie, like you already, you had a kid on the way, right, from someone else? Yeah, it was, yeah, the very beginning. Yeah, yeah, Nate was, Sarah was pregnant with Nate when basically, like,

within two weeks of when we met, she told me. She had been right before I met Morgan. And just to touch on, I said that to Morgan in the beginning, like, over the first few years, I was like, it takes two nuclear keys to launch nuclear weapons, which is the same as a divorce in my mind. So I'm like, her key is on. It's just, she just leaves it in there and is on. And I think she's growing through that, honestly.

I've seen it. But I took my key and did the full on, like, old lady in Titanic. I, like, went off the back of the boat and was like, it's somewhere down in the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. So therefore, we've made it through stuff. I love it. That's amazing. It's very telling, like the way that our relationship started, it was a month into our relationship, and he bought my ring, my engagement ring in front of me.

He said, what would you say if I asked you to marry me? And I was like, no, absolutely not. And he said, that's okay. I have a two-pronged approach. I'll get you to marry me. I love it. That way ever since where I'm still like, it's this push and pull for me. And for him, it is like, I am here.

I am steady. I am a rock. And I'm not going to ever. which is amazing that's pretty that's a it's a it's a it's an amazing dynamic

I know you know but but Morgan you know not to get too deep like I was the Bodie and he was the yeah Morgan a little bit I'm like I'm fucking crazy

like I don't know my dad left when I was like yeah I know the fuck I am and I've got issues and I have anxiety and I don't know I mean like I yeah and Aaron's just sitting there like no I'm cool I'm cool

Like, you know, you go through your shit and I'll be here to support you for the most part. I mean, sometimes, but I feel like there's a reason you're together because, or not together, but the reason it works, right? Because we're very similar, I would say, in certain ways, but very different in others. And those differences balance in the right way. You know what I'm saying? Like, whereas some relationships, it's just not going to work. but the things that attract us you know are so strong

obviously have to be stronger than the things that don't but the few things that don't you know they work for some reason in the right way yeah so whether it's a lot of times a lot of times that's the buttons that need to be or the knobs that need to be turned in the other person right the things that are different the things that frustrate you or cause you sort of that like

you know anger or whatever are in the other person and the knobs that need to be turned and in yourself, right? So your tolerance increases and you kind of meet in the middle on the things that, I mean, I've noticed that with Morgan, like, you know, a lot of the stuff that is tough for me to manage with her are things that are very clearly, in hindsight, right? We're up on 12 years pretty soon. There are the things that I would have, if you objectively looked at myself,

I reflected on myself, like those are the things I would have wanted to improve, that I would have wanted to get better at. And it's forced in this case because those are the things that she does all time. And it's like, and then on the same thing, I can kind of pull her a little bit, you know, in that direction as well. And it's like, I know she does the same for me in areas that I would have wanted to improve and that she didn't understand. And those are the things that we both drag each other into more positive waters. Hola, it's HoneyGerman. And my podcast, Grasias Come Again, is back. This season, we're going even

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like turned on, so to speak, do you think that is a function of sort of just who you are, your own shit, your childhood, whatever it is, whatever the psychology of Morgan is, is that what it is? So it's almost not necessarily about Bodie. I mean, Bodie seems like a pretty fucking great human being, right?

Yeah, honestly, it has nothing to do with Bodie. it's totally all on me it's my it's all the baggage my childhood my trauma like you name it x y and t but it really i think what it comes down to is kind of like what you guys are talking about is the sense of identity and that i don't know who the fuck i am has been my thing my entire life and it's so funny because you talk about professional athletes and you lose your sport and all of a sudden you're like who am i what do i have whereas with bodey i don't you I think when you really get to know Bodie and you ask who is Bodie, no one would ever define him as a skier.

They define him as Bodie. Like that is it. And he's just, he stands so strong in who he is in the person and his belief and his moral and his values and he's really unwavering in that where me, I was very easily persuaded in many different directions growing up. And again, like relationship with parents and relationship with voluvering. volleyball and you know

Bodie can speak to that more because he always looks back on everything that like I've been through my life and he goes I don't want that for my kids so leave all that shit right but I really think it comes down to that and so that's kind of one of the things we talk to our kids about like I don't care if you're an amazing athlete

I don't care if you get streetings I care if you love yourself that's what I go on the end of the day you can stand strong in what you believe and that is it. No, that's so right. We're the same way. I mean, the pressure on grades in school

and, you know, it's just so fucked up to me, you know. I find myself falling into the traps because Wilder's like, my oldest is Wilder. You know, Wilder's like, I want to go to NYU. I'm like, okay, I'm down with your grades right now. Like, I think you're doing amazing.

But if you want to go to fucking NYU is like a straight white dude, you know, you're going to have to you're going to have to get your shit together. Like you're going to have to get better grades. You're going to have to get extracurriculars. You're going to have to get in programs. I mean, you know, so I will push him to be what he wants to be.

Right. But I'm content with him now. Yeah. And I think like I was going to say for you guys both growing up, you know, in the world of athletics and becoming professionals and all of that, it's, it's interesting to think would you kind of want that for your children, you know, or is it the opposite, almost like, you know, the feeling of, you know, he was saying before we got on to, he was like, I wonder if, you know, obviously the boys are all skiing, but I wonder if they'll be competing or,

you know, are they going to, you know, get into volleyball and that kind of stuff. It's like, you know, you think that's just going to maybe be the natural way of things, you know, or if they wanted to, let's say, would you kind of guide them in one way or the other? Yeah, that's what we're dealing with is like our kids, I mean, like you said, some similarities. Morgan and I are both very strong will, the stubborn. We're both in our own ways kind of competitors. Yeah, competitors.

We're alpha in certain ways. In certain ways, neither we aren't. But when it comes to kids, I think we both very much see eye-to-eye, which is huge, right? That's a big part of it. Because if we were completely opposite, that becomes an incredible challenge to overcome. But yeah, we have to support them in what they do. They don't listen to us at all.

I mean, at least they don't listen to me. I think Morgan believes they listen to her, but in my opinion, They're not looking to us to, like, shift their, their opinion on things. Put it that way. They have opinions that come from, I don't know where either. Their idiot friend will say something, and then they're like, that's their thing for, like, the next year. And yet, I can hound them day and day out, and they don't change at all. They just dig their heels in more.

But Nate wants to play football, and, you know, that it would not be a choice that I would make for him, just because, as you said, it's terrifying to think of some huge guy just trying to crush my kid all the time. I know. But the fact is, you know, my only pursuit is to try to figure out how to instill that grit, that sort of self-reliance, some independence, understand that, you know, he's great whether he's, you know, an athlete or not, and hopefully help him find out how to be happy. Because he's a tough one, too. He doesn't, he only enjoys winning.

Like, he is the prototypical alpha male, tiny little athlete. Like, he looks and acts like he's already a professional. but like a touch line kind of like you know the one you don't want like the one who like freaks out and as soon as they're behind he quits and like that's been incredibly frustrating for me but yet but yet it's something that obviously I have to figure out because it's different than the way I was yeah you're such a grinder you know what I mean you're like you were the opposite I mean yeah I was the opposite but that's because I wasn't talented really the way he was he's incredibly talented and I think he's probably closer to Morgan so I lean on Morgan to sort of work through that because you're she was super gifted and was immediately great at everything she did. I was kind of like looked horrible all the time. Even when I got really good, people were like, oh, man,

you suck, but you somehow get it done. And I think that's, it's like the advantage of being a seven in terms of like good looking. Like, you don't take shit for granted. You know you got to like work hard. You're not posting.

And he's more like, he's more like Morgan. Like they're fucking tens. And they, you know, they can unfortunately get, it can get confusing because you don't know, you know, you don't understand the work side of it.

How old is he? The grit and the talent are, you know, two different things. And if you can have both, you know, right. You're on top. How old is he? 11. Yeah, he just turned 11. Oh, so there's still a lot of maturing to do, especially with that, with the win loss thing.

You know, I mean, when you're 11 and you're that much of competitor, you know, even just through brain development, you might not even be there to understand, you know, that you have to kind of lose correctly as well. Um, so maybe that gets evolved out of him too, you know, to where eventually, for sure. That's something that we were talking about is how much of that you control? Like he comes into the car and he has a bad practice. He's like, I quit. I'm done. And you want them to be able to have an independent.

So do you let them quit and learn the hard way the younger age or do you keep pushing them? And then eventually they're like, I don't have that safety net of my mom saying, I can't quit. Because at some point he's going to get old enough where he's going to say, I quit. And he's getting kicked off the team. And so it's like, we talk about this all the time. We had a really funny, we had a really funny conversation of like highlighted. If it had been recorded, it would have been gold. There's Morgan there, me on the road, her picking him up and him being like, I quit.

The coach said that I did to do this. So I stood there in line and didn't run a single play and just the coach was pissed. And he said, if you're not going to play, go sit down. I didn't sit down. And now I'm going to quit. And Morgan was like, fuck that. Like she wanted to throw him out the window. I went through that with him in soccer,

but then I'm on the phone and I'm removed from it. So I didn't have to, I didn't have that emotional, like, adrenaline of seeing it right there in front of my face, which I would have wanted to choke him too. But, yeah. And then I come on and I was like, no, dude, here's what you got to do.

You got to be thinking of it this way. And then afterwards, Morgan was like, that was like the best good cop, bad cop we've ever done. It was like legendary. No, but it's so true. You're like, all right, you want to quit? That's it. Fucking quit.

that's it though when you come to me tomorrow and say i'm joking you're that's it dude and then you got to of course stick to that i mean while or even with ju's just doing jujitsu you know and he wants to quit and i'm like all right if you want to quit that's it i'm not paying another five hundred dollar initiation fee for you to jujitsu for the 10th fucking time so you know that's the end of it you know but it's tough to stick to your gun that's also though that's like the impulsive reaction that's the competitor the competitor in him that that will that will that will move that emotion i think how did you guys do with losing like how we how how we how that's all right i don't know if you remember my favorite oliver i was like considered

badass and i won less than five percent of the races i was in like crashed and i crashed in 60 percent of them where i was ending up upside down the fence like with the wind knocked out i mean all scratched so you but the thing is you built an amazing brand like through that that's what you did i was resilience personified like i did not i had you know you know know but yeah morgan's a better person to answer that one well i mean funny story with this move and the stuff that my older boys have been through we put him in therapy um and the therapist was asking me to highlight you know the great things about my kids and the things that they really struggle with and we're talking about me and like he's so competitive but he's a really

hard time losing and the therapist is like why do you think that is or either of you competitive him, I'm like, you know what, full transparency? Six months old, he's wanted to rape me and compete me in everything, and I've never let him win. Not only you let him win, not only do you not let him win. You smash him every time. He was just one, and he's like, let's race.

And it's just from one end of the house to the other. And she would go full gas. And he would be like on his second step, and she'd be at the other end. And he would throw himself on the ground and have a tantrum. And then, you know, five minutes later, he'd be like, I want to raise again. And she'd be like, okay, let's do it. Come again.

I mean, hundreds and hundreds of times, she has just absolutely the kid. There will come a day. There will come a day. He's not going to forget that. There will come a day. That's so funny. At that point, his life's work to be, when he does, he will have earned it 100

percent. And I will go by myself and quiet. I hate losing. We're going to do some shower crying. that day. Yeah. Well, parenting is all one big fucking experiment because I always say that it's not about if you fuck up your kids.

It's just to what degree you do. You know what I mean? You know, I did this course called the Hoffman Institute, which was like a really powerful thing for me where you're sort of unpacking the patterns that have been put upon you from your parents and then step parents as well. This idea that we have negative love in our lives because in order to survive, we need love some kind. And sometimes it's not healthy love, but we attach ourselves to those things. And so this course was all about understanding what those patterns were and kind of learning

how to break through them and kind of building your toolbox. It's an incredible week of enlightenment on who your parents were, the forgiveness and the compassion that you feel towards them at the end of this process is unbelievable because then you realize that they're only repeating the shit that they went through you know with their parents um the forgiveness of my father was huge because his dad left him when he was five years old in the middle of the night gone you know my dad didn't do exactly that but essentially he bailed you know um so i can't always help but think when we're parenting like what am i imprinting upon these little bastards right now going to be going to the Hoffman and stew for

exactly they're going to be fucked up for some reason because I'm a I am so she but I'm a very open parent you know if I want to smoke a cigarette I'll smoke in front of my kids I want a cocktail I'm a drink in front of my kids I don't hide anything because I'm an adult I'll curse I'll do it I'll do me

I'm going to help I'm an adult care are you and I think it's a good process these kids seem to be pretty good but when they're 25 are they're going to be in therapy like my dad was just way too freewheeling and I smelled weed since I was two years old

in the house and yeah I don't know I look at I think you guys similar it's you're kind of learning as you go and you're in it together you know what I mean most of our stuff is very it's different than the generation before us do you guys parent very similarly or do you have things you kind of are like well you're over here

I'm over here pretty different but I mean you know Morgan goes to 11 real quick She has, she has, like, in Mario, where they go in the tunnel and it warpsones them. I don't have a warp zone. My guy has to, he runs along and, like, anywhere I'm trying to get to emotionally, it's going to take a little while to get there. She can just warp zone right in. So, like, we have.

She brings a lot of intensity much quicker than I do. And I kind of offset that with a kind of, like, you know, wear and tear. I just kind of wear them down. And she brings the stink on them, which I think is really, it's a complimentary pattern, but both of them can be frustrating at times, right? It's frustrating to see her blow up because of other stuff. A lot of times it's not even just the kids. It's the kids and compounded with the rest of life.

And I think she gets frustrated with me that I don't bring the noise on them as often. But we've found, I think, a good groove now. I think a lot of that is just kind of like, you know, really getting, as you guys know, right? Like, I'm just getting to know Morgan. It's been almost 12 years. And like, you know, there's, it's such a deep learning. process and it's the same with your kids right and they're changing just like a marriage right your kids changed the whole time you can see their identity kind of early but then you don't know what you're

seeing versus what's going on in their head right you never know totally and then each kid is different they're all they're all ours are like they could be you know different planets they came honestly like ours are like that as well my 11 year old the other day was i i was super impressed out of nowhere i didn't tell morgan about it was when we went to the the spectrum with base and he was like you know like if if you saw orange and it was consistently orange and I saw blue but I called it orange because that's just what I saw we would never know that we were talking about two different colors and I was like yeah exactly that's the difference between perception and trying to get to know somebody and know what they actually interpret what do

they feel and how do they interact with the world around them yeah versus making assumptions right we make assumptions all the time that like oh somebody sees it the same way i do or whatever i was like i was like i spent like 20 minutes in in uh whatever it is david buster it's like sitting there with my head my head was like oh my god that took us like 30 years that's some shit right there yeah for sure i love that i wish you now i'm going to stay here for 20 minutes be like oh no wow like those are the moment i look at our kids and like okay one they're amazing like What incredible human beings. And at the same time, like, boat, good job.

Like, we are doing some things right. Oh, yeah. It's an unboxing, right? We're going to see later where we screwed up, hopefully. But that's the thing that I think, you know, is like Oliver was saying about the Hoffman Institute. And like, you do have to be very gentle. I think it helps to be a parent to help forgive your parents. Right.

Like, they were the same, right? In a lot of ways, worse because, you know, there was different challenges. that they face than we do now, different, not harder or less hard, but different. And when you see the ways they screwed up and you can be a mature adult and look back and be like, well, they fucked up. That's legit. Like, they laid some heavy shit on me and did not help me at all. And, you know, but did they do it maliciously? You know, a lot of times they did not. There wasn't even an ounce of malice in it. It's just simply, they were just fucking kids who got big and learned how to talk and drive. And then we're trying to raise kids. And

Like that's, you know, it's a hard, it allows me to have a lot more forgiveness for people. We're literally in that talk and that drive thing now, like Wilder's, you know, 16 years old. He's got a girlfriend for a year now. He's got his first job. He's driving. You're just like, oh, okay. I mean, he's not done. He's not done, but, you know, how do I do this now?

What do I say to this fucking kid? Like each kid that comes along, first of all, they're all so different. So you have to parent different. Um, and kind of just be aware of who they are. but I will say like as each comes along it gets easier and easier just because you're like oh yeah all right

seen this before done this before you kind of you know you're getting the hang of it and you guys are pros at this point but but the interesting thing too just about the Hoffman stuff then we'll move on because we got to get going pretty soon here but you know I went in there

thinking that it was going to all be about my my dad and then Kurt you know what I mean my stepdad who raised me, but whatever that connection was, and then my dad who wasn't there, my mom was going to sort of, you know, be measy, breezy, because she was always the constant in my life. It was it totally flipped on its head. My mother was the one that came up the most. My mother was the one that I had almost the most trauma about, interestingly enough, because she was my primary caregiver, and I was with her all of the time. So I felt unprotected at times. She would be working in a way,

She had new boyfriends that I didn't really like. She would be living her life and she was an amazing mother. This was my own perception as a child who didn't have a dad and who needed her to be there. You know, and she just wasn't sometimes. And she came out far more than even my dad who wasn't there. But when I was with him, it was incredible. He paid attention to me. We played football.

We played basketball. We were on the beach. He took him and touched me out of fish. I mean, he was so present. but he just was never there. You know what I mean? So it was really a perspective shifter for me, for sure, you know. Anyway, it's something that we're all, I mean, we guys have dynamic lives as well.

Like Morgan and I think of that, and that was a big part of the conversation about her going back to play volleyball. She's going to be on the road. She's going to have to train. She's going to be a professional athlete. And that requires a degree of selfishness and, you know, sort of disregard for other stuff. and that's going to be a really hard challenge for her, I believe. I think that's going to be one of the biggest things. And it's going to, you know, I think it helps that we have the experience we have now

to be like, okay, it's going to be hard, but you got to get through it because it's going to have value. And it's one of those things that like, yeah, in 20 years, are we going to be like, whoops? No way. So all we can do is like is try to do it. But, you know, like you said, the dynamic lifestyle is probably the biggest challenge that like you guys and we face is I'm on. the road because I do these things to try to work and make money and Morgan's going to do this.

And, you know, those are legitimate things that are having an impact on our kids. That's really hard to know how they interpret those. Yeah. Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance, bro, tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you. you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem

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But I will say, like the word you said challenge before, I think what's going to be so amazing is like, your career, you know, in volleyball, what I've seen and known just over the years is like you gave 150% to these formative, extremely important years to your kids. That can never be taken away from them. So I think this next chapter is going to be as important and impactful because you want to make it that way. You know what I'm saying? You're not going in like, oh, I can't wait to get away from, Right, you know, I got, fuck them. You know, I want to go and, you know, this is more like, this is going to enrich me, make me a better, you know, mom for even just the long run. You know what I mean?

And so, and they're going to be on the road. They're going to fucking love it. It's going to be amazing. I think you guys are going to have the best time. And it's a chapter, like you said. I know, we're picking you guys up in a real, like, shift here. I love that. I love it.

I know. Real quickly, then we'll get out of here. I just want to talk to you, Bodie, a little bit about the documentary you made. um because you know growing up in aspen you know sheriff joey de salvo was a great friend of mine who raised a lot of money for veterans and then even sort of mental illness mental health within the valley there was one at one point i think there was 13 suicides in one year in a 42 mile valley and it was i think per capita almost like one of the biggest in the country at that time you know what inspired you to make this and how did you recognize that this was even an issue

specifically to sort of these mountain towns, you know? Well, there's two bits to that. I, you know, I think the statistics are a bit misleading because when you look at that number of suicides, they aren't counting the transient population, right? Which in some cases is transient, but not in and out for a weekend. It's much bigger than that. So I think the numbers would come down. I think it's a global problem.

I don't think it is. It is, there's certain metrics that you can kind of see stand out in mountain towns, but you know and sort of causations but it was it was something that started in 05 I was traveling with Brett Rapkin in Europe and we talked a lot about you know the way that I am we kind of we'd have long philosophical uh debates as we're driving from France to Austria or whatever you know and there's five hours in the car and only Austrian music to listen to so we got pretty deep into a lot of stuff that was when it started and then I think because of social media and because of all these other

factors, you know, it kind of, it just became more and more obvious to us that it needed to be sort of looked into and hopefully in a way that was more solution-based. I mean, that was the goal of the movie was not, it's not a feel-good thing. It's not going to be Avengers, right? It's like it's a, it needed to be a tool to bring hopefully the conversation to the forefront, desigmatize a lot of the stuff and hopefully start to steer us towards real solutions. Because I, it's a scary thing as a parent, right? Like, look at the world, our kids are growing up and we haven't touched on that but like this is all family we're talking mostly inside of our house you know stuff but yeah outside of our house stuff is friggin terrifying as a parent

right now and that's why I was going to say when I was looking and you know kind of reading about the project that you did um his mom uh has a foundation that she started called mind up and it's basically a curriculum to put into schools elementary age now they're moving up to middle school that really teaches kind of kids about the brain and how it works. You know, people think it's, you know, just kind of a mindfulness foundation. But really, it's giving kids at these very, very young age, the tools. So when they're moving forward and growing up, because there's this kind of, you know, I would say pendulum swing with, you know, kids these days, there's just not a lot of resilience.

And whether that be kind of from, oh, everybody gets a trophy or, you know, to social media, whatever it might be, you know, oh, you're okay, you know, all that kind of stuff. I'm, you know, rushing here trying to say it. But she just said, these kids don't have the tools to know how to handle their emotions, whether it be anger, fear, sadness, isolation. And so it teaches kids about their brain and their body, basically helping them understand. Well, it's like if you're feeling stressed and angry, instead of just feeling it, it's understanding why scientifically, what is going on in your brain that is making it's that's a root cause. It's our curriculum, right, was pretty arbitrary.

We're dealing with a curriculum that we teach kids. And that's inside the home as well as in any institutional, you know, educational system. It's so damn old and outdated and pointless. Like, we have to evolve that. That is fundamentally, that's the only thing I've really honed. in on that I believe has a high likelihood of success in terms of shifting the direction we're all going in and kids are I think there's a way to teach that that's interesting because it's relevant right all the shit they learn is so esoteric and irrelevant it's like you're trying to mash

it in there whereas understanding your brain and like neuroscience while it seems complicated is all functional it's like biology it makes that kids love that shit because they can see it's Like, it's, so yeah, I agree with you 100%. I didn't know Goldie was doing that, but that's awesome. Yeah. It's great. It's a, it's becoming a movement more and more where people are realizing that like, we have to instill young people with tools to manage this fucked up world. We're building for them.

Because it's evolving from top down kind of, you know, older people are building infrastructure and patterns and all the computers and apps and all the shit that kind of populates life. and the kids are being left with the same tools that people were 50 or 60 years ago where they didn't have any of the challenges. And it's like, sorry, dudes, you've got to change the skill set you're giving the kids

if you expect them to be able to deal with this at all. You should, adults can't deal with it. And how do we expect them to do it? Yeah. No, it's so true. I know. That's great. One last question, just to answer sort of about each other, right?

Sort of a two pronger in a way. So if there was one thing that you could take from your partner that you wish that you had to make yourself sort of a better person, what would it be? And then the other part is if you could alleviate something in them and take that away to make their lives better, what would that be? You want to go first burger me?

I would take away her irrational fear. I think it's something I took very proactively. um in my own life and it's it's such a gift if you can get rid of a rational fear where fear is connected to legitimate danger or risk associated risk um and if i could take something from her that that would help me um absolutely her her ability to to feel and express emotion i i sort of doled all mine based on how much my ass got kicked in everything i did and sort of the i sort of had to harden myself against the naysayers because i had them my whole career. And so that distancing from it becomes really hard to walk back as a parent. And I want to

be a parent who, like, can really engage in a positive way and share the frustration stuff in the, you know, in the, in the harder times with my kids. And it's, it's, that part's really hard for me. And she excels at those. Great. Thanks, sweetie. Um, I think one of the things that I really admire about Bodie is his patience and how unflappable he is. Like, I know that I can always count on him to be so steady. And it's something that I wish I had. Like, I will ride these waves. And it's so funny because you're wanting to be more like me and I'm wanting to be more like you.

And he'll stay here and he'll just watch me. Go and he'll say, I'm here when you're ready. And I think it's one of the most incredible qualities because, I mean, our kids always know that he is a steady, safe place. I mean something I would take away at first I was thinking for myself I'm like my spending habit so he doesn't have to work so much

and he knows because he knows that's true I'm not sure what you're talking about she's like a magician she's like and I'll move it over here I'll buy these three and it's gone damn it what happened

yep god what would I take I don't see too many faults in Bodie to be completely honest wow

and where there were faults it's been areas that we've worked through like empathy for example and I think that is so important

for a relationship is to be able to have empathy and he's kicked out with that too and it's been a process and learning, but... Well, then, Bodie, what would you take away from yourself?

Like, if you could alleviate something from you, you're like, I don't like this about myself. Is there anything? Are you just... Are you all good? Are you all good? No, I think... And, yeah, no, there's definitely...

A lot of it is kind of nuanced. I mean, again, it's not to pump my tires, but I don't like to have things that I can obviously speak. I'm not a person who waits for New Year's to have a resolution. I have resolutions every single day. And the way that I communicate with people, I've been, I've noticed for years and I, I just can't put my finger on what it is, right? And Morgan will attest, and I'm sure Oliver will too, there's a mode that my brain goes into where it goes into like, from the best possible place it comes from, but it goes in a know at all mode. And it's just, it's repellent.

It makes information not be absorbed. And it's been that way since I was born as far as I can remember. And I hate that. Like I feel like I want to be able to have a something of a humility knob or whatever the fuck the knob is needs to be turned up so that I can share and impart information that I might, you know, insight or things that are coming really from a positive place, but that don't come across as no at all or picking at someone or because they, it's not where they come from, but it's how they're interpreted. And I can see it while it's happening. And I just stop talking now. I've just I don't

I tried to I did the other night I did I'm working on it but I just stopped I was like look I'm going into that moment I'm fucking done

I stopped and didn't say anything else it's not a good solution but that's something that definitely I would take away I don't know what it is exactly

it's too nuanced but yeah yeah we're all working on our shit there's just no doubt about it all right guys we're going to let you go but when you do get up let us know

if we come down to OC like we'll come hit you up or let's plan you know what we'll meet up in montana i'm excited we get to see you guys here too i know it i'm so excited for you by the way i'm excited for you guys too i think this is ridiculous and amazing yeah i mean what a fun chapter yeah honestly the only reason my bodey's super excited he's like oh your ass is going to be so nice again oh literally literally talk about getting your god he's gonna work out Oh, it's just full workout All day, every day.

We're going to get off And Ollie's going to be like, Sid, do you want to do some volleyball? By the way, Aaron's going to be trying out for this team, by the way. Yeah, right. All right. Okay. All right. We love you guys.

That was awesome. Yeah. Fun guys later. Wow. Well, that was awesome. How open are they? This is what I love about them. That's what I was saying in the beginning.

So real, so open. So down to earth. I want to basically. I just talk about everything. well babe thanks for filling in maybe you'll be doing it more depending on how much Kate works I know but it's over and I love you I love you Kate I hope I didn't disappoint you maybe you can do part two

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