Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Living Up to the Legacy with Riley Keough

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

Growing up as the granddaughter of Elvis Presley, and the daughter of Lisa Marie came with blessings and burdens.Riley Keough opens up to Kate and Oliver about her generational legacy and the tragedies that made her who she is today.Plus, more on the private memories she shares in her new book "From Here to the Great Unknown."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling rivalry. That's good. I'm really excited, Oliver, because we are interviewing. my friend, Riley Kiaf, and she is the sweetest,

kindest, most loving, wonderful, talented, beautiful human. And she, as a lot, know, released a book from here to The Great Unknown. And she finished sort of the book

that her mom had started and I'm just excited to talk to her. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. No, yeah, it's amazing. Yes. Well, I don't think I've met her even though she's sort of in the

mix with you and you know Jamie I think styles her and I don't but I don't think I've I don't think I've ever met her she's she's really she's in for a real treat well let's bring her on because okay I love her hi hi I'm so happy to be here yay I'm so happy you're here this is so fun I love your Christmassy background hi Oliver how are you how are you good how you doing I'm doing well just saying that he doesn't think that you guys have met. And I was like, are you sure? I don't think so. No, I don't think so. He's just been in the mix, in and around Jamie and Kate and posts and outfits and garments and this and this. That's how I know you. I'm happy to

meet you on the podcast. Well, let's get into it because you, you know, you've had your book out, which, by the way, how has that been for you? It's been interesting. It's, it's very, it's very intense so I it's not like um it's normally when you're doing press you're talking about a thing you worked on or a you know something that's removed from yourself a lot of the time and you kind of try and avoid the personal stuff but with this it's like only very personal so it's kind of goes against a lot of my instincts to like keep those things to myself so it's been very bizarre but ultimately what's been really wonderful is a lot of of the feedback has been really like very human and like the human like people read it and have

real connection to the experience and I think that that's been something that in my life I haven't experienced a lot because I think there's been such like a separateness with regards to my family that it doesn't feel very human so I think when people write to me or come up to me at the you know book talks and stuff and they have these really relatable experiences like that's been really wonderful yeah do you find that like also maybe opening up a part of your life has made it not so scary anymore oh for sure like I think that for me there's always catharsis in honesty and like live in and being open in general so I find personally the more that I carry things alone or don't share them with even friends, they're troublesome to me.

So I in my life like to always, you know, share what I'm going through or what my experience is. So I do think that taking something out of secrecy and sort of into the light is healing. Is that something that you, you said you weren't even able to do with friends at some point, meaning, you know, you keep things inside generally? Or are you a very open person? I'm pretty open, but I think that there are times when I've gone through experiences where I just think, you know, I'll get through this by myself or I'll figure it out.

And then it gets to a point where it kind of bubbles up and I share it. And then I'm like, oh, I feel so much better. That I've shared this experience with a friend who's had a similar experience. And I think that sort of human connection is really important. Yeah. I want to add to this. I mean, I know that for me and maybe this will feel relatable, maybe not, but I know that there's a part of me that when I entered like a more public, you know, when I became a more sort of public name felt very protective of my family's way of how they want to live and protecting the things and their privacy. and so you kind of like can't share or feel like sometimes you don't can't really share this huge part of your life

that even if you wanted to express it and protecting everyone else you sort of keep it in and I think that that that it then sometimes when you start to kind of open it up I think for Oliver and I that happened on this podcast a little bit it's like we sort of started to be like you know it's okay this is this actually is our life Yeah. My own life. Like we kind of have to talk about things and open it up that once you do, you're like, oh, that feels so much better. Totally. Why was I so weird about this? Why was I so weird? And it's really because you feel like you're, I think, like, protecting your, your mom or, you know, your grand, you know, it's like, Ryder. I think about Ryder, like, what's going to happen when Ryder does a movie and goes on his first talk show between like, how does he talk about his grandparents or his parents? Or his parents. it's like you become sort of a politician about it. Yeah. But what you're doing with a book that is expressive and sort of telling your truth is you're

able to control the narrative. You know, you, then that book goes out there with what I found with what Katie and I do on this podcast where, yes, there has been a freedom, you know, sort of an openness. All of a sudden, it's all clickbait and it's picked up like Oliver Hudson fucking hates his mom. I know. It's so silly. That stuff is so silly.

And I do feel lucky that it doesn't really affect me. Like I understand the need to like create clickbait. And it's so silly because you open up the article and it's like totally out of context. And we're all victims. Like I'll click on thing like, you know, shark like tears off someone's on. I'm like, ooh, what is that? That's all I click on. I know.

But then you click on and it's just such a disappointment. It's like a blow-up toy, a pool shark that sort of scraped some kids' like finger, you know. Right. This isn't what I was trying to get. Riley, what was your childhood like? I mean, I know it's like a really big question, but, you know,

do you feel like you had a seemingly normal childhood? Or do you feel like you grew up in an extraordinarily not normal? Well, I'm able to see that I grew up in an extraordinarily not normal situation, but it felt normal because it was the only life that I knew. But, you know, when you talk about, when we talk about like secrecy and stuff, like when I was growing up, it was so like everything was very locked down. There was no sharing any information. Like I never was able to tell anyone where I lived or where I was or, you know,

like it was very private. but like constantly seeing my everyone lying around me you know like if we'd walk into a store and with my mom they'd be like where are you from she'd like make up a story you know just like constant like there was no there was no uh writing our information anywhere you know so so that was kind of and it was in the 90s and it was so much different than it is now like people didn't really share their whole lives on instagram and and um So I grew up in that kind of era, which was like very private. And like the idea of a reality show or sharing your, you know, intimate details was very, like, embarrassing or something.

You know, like it was like, it's a different world now. But, you know, it was a really unusual circumstance. And my mom was extremely famous and what that meant kind of back then was very different to what it means now. And I know Kate, you experienced. you know, generations of what that felt like. But it was like there wasn't so many famous people, so it was like there was much more attention on you. And it was just like intense.

It was like, but it was all I, you know, all I was used to. So I didn't, you know, and at the time, like when I was young, it was probably when my mom was the most famous in her life. And so it was just, you know, like. did you did you do you remember first of all how old were you when she was like sort of the most famous you know probably birth until i was like when i was about 17 it calmed down okay so did you feel did you feel like you a part of you just didn't like this you know i mean was there a rebellious nature to it did you welcome it you know i mean speaking of clickbait one of the things that i

said a little while back was I didn't like when people came up to my mom when I was a kid it made me crazy I was like leave me the fuck alone right and I expressed that story and literally the headlines were Oliver like hated his mother's fans like that was that was the headline but you know how did you how did you sort of take all of it in I don't it's and that's an interesting question but I don't think that I had a preference because I didn't I didn't know if didn't think there was an option. I kind of like just lived in it. Like I, I, uh, you know, it was everything was a really, you know, we leave the house. It's like 10 security guards and I go to school. They're like sit. What I didn't like was a lot of the time I'd have security on everywhere with me. So like

it made it really hard to have genuine experiences as a kid. Like they'd sit outside my school. If I went to a friend's house, you know, if I slept over at a friend's house, they'd park outside the friend's house, you know. So I remember when I was like 14 or 15, I wanted to go to the mall with my friends and I begged my mom to please not have security for like just once. And it was embarrassing to me to have someone following me around. Oh, yeah. And, and then I went and she said that was okay. And we were walking around the mall and then lo and behold, like, I was a security guard. But I was so upset. Like, I was so embarrassed and so upset.

But my friends didn't know, but I knew, you know, and I was really mad. So I think there were a couple times where I was really desperate to have, like, a normal experience of whatever with my friends. And it just wasn't possible for me. And what it did do is, like, my life right now is very simple. And so I definitely prefer, like, for example, like, I have a weird thing where I don't really want to hire a full-time assistant because I want to do things myself. You know, like I grew up in an environment where everyone did everything all the time for you. And so I definitely prefer a smaller life as an adult. Yeah.

Isn't it interesting, though, how you can go one way or the other, you know? Exactly. It could have been like, oh, I need assistance. And this is what I'm used to. Right. Or it's like, no, no, no, no. I don't want that. Here's what I need.

Totally. And I think that's true. Some people grow up in that situation. situation, and then it kind of just, that's their expectation and they want that all the time. Or for me, it was more, I did sort of desire to have a more normal life that, you know, where I could walk into a coffee shop. And I was really lucky to be able to have that, you know, my mom never had that option. No, I know. I mean, she's, yeah, I mean, she's, she. I mean, imagine Taylor Swift. I mean, it's like, it's great. And she's doing incredible things, but like, you, that's,

that's it you cannot have a normal life there's got that's a yeah and it also depends on what you want you know like i i i agree you know like i have a few friends there's sometimes where i'll see people that are at a level of fame that for me i would not enjoy um just because i grew up watching that and maybe i i don't know it's not like i i love like i really value being able to like walk around and go into a coffee shop and and not be stuck in my house 24 seven like my mom You know, she did go out, but it was a thing, you know. Do you think that you're managing your career with that in the back of your mind? Yeah, definitely.

But you can't control your fame unless you choose not to do things. It's interesting you say that. I think I did for a long time avoid things that could potentially make my life very different, you know? And I, as an actor, like, I definitely was, look, I prefer small like I prefer a certain type of film but I also there was a part of me that was like oh god if I go that route I could you know maybe I don't know if I would enjoy that so much I also think it's a personality thing I have to say like I like the reality is it's like if you build it it will come right you know it's like field of dreams like yeah I I have to be

honest like I've never had full-time security even even when I've had like weirdos or like yeah you know 25 paparazzi following you I think you invite in a certain type of vibe by the way I have to say I agreed with this to an extent because I have had someone recently said like commented on how I travel like up by myself and I'm not like I'll show up places alone and I don't have like a big group of people that come with me anywhere. And someone said, like, you're very, like, low key. And I was like, well, if you travel that way, you get more attention on you. That's right.

Like, I'm similar to you. Like, I'll walk down the street all by myself. I don't have the, I don't want, I go, I travel by myself. I do, you know, I don't bring a thousand people. And people always comment on it. And you're like, because if. Because I don't want to be weird, man. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm not who I am. I want to put my hat on and walk down the street and that's it. And that's what you invite. And I really think it's what you put out. I'm opposite. I'm opposite. I need security.

I have five people around me at all times. You think about it though. Like Elvis is your grandpa. Like of course it takes a little bit of an adjustment and maybe some generational shifts to get to realize that, you know, there is a there are other ways. to also be in the arts and to not invite in that kind of hysteria, you know?

Well, our father, actually, with our connection is our dad, Kurt, his first role ever, I think, was kicking Elvis in the shins, wasn't it? Really? His first role, yeah, he was nine years old. Nine years old. His first role was a scene with... I think you told me this. I need to look at stuff.

Yeah. Then he nominated for Golden Globe for playing Elvis. Then he played Elvis. And what, like, changed his career. And then mom stayed in your grandpa's place in Vegas when she was doing her variety show. That's right. So you just told me this. That's so cute.

And he, like, called her a chicken and she. That's so cute. That was really cute. And it was so cute because our daughters were, like, walking together. And I was like, God, you know, sometimes you step outside of, like, the life that you just know. And you really can see like the imprint of what generationally in the arts and in that our family has had that sort of is really spectacular and so amazing. And then to like see the generations, the younger generation like, God, you know, what are you going to do?

What's going to be your contribution? It's true. And, you know, for all the clickbait, searchers out there. Like I feel very lucky to have grown up in my family and for the opportunities, you know, that I've gotten. And it wasn't, it wasn't like I was making some big effort to escape the family. There's no headline there. You know, it was just like, I just prefer being low key. And I think that, you know, I don't actually like attention on me, which is why this book tour has been kind of intense. And people keep asking, well, then why are you, you know, in this industry? and I'm like, because there's literally nothing else I could do. That's funny.

No, I know. It's funny. Kate and I look at our kids and all the cousins are best, best friends. We got super lucky there. But every single one of them wants to be in this business. Right. Because they've seen their uncles, their aunts, their grand, you know, parents. And it's like it's as if they know nothing else.

Right. And that's sort of how it is. it's like if you're growing up in a household of doctors, you, that's all you know. And I think for, you know, I'm sure we've had a similar experience where you grow up with, this is the industry your family are in. And that's kind of all you assume that you're going to do. It's also an amazing industry with a million different things to do inside of it. Exactly.

You know what I mean? Like, like Ryder, for instance, he loves to make furniture. Like he's getting obsessed with making furniture. That's so sweet. And design, you know. And I'm like, you know, he, he's a wonderful actor and hopefully has great success

but like he also can like do stage design you know what I mean like there's a million things he could do inside of you know the world of storytelling it's like it's the only art form where you really truly take multiple multiple different

art forms to do one thing you know you think about like from fashion to makeup to production design to music to sound like how about just horticulture

like greenery I mean it's everything you know if you yeah you could take anything

any train in your skill set I can yeah I'm yeah I'm

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when you started realizing, not just your mom, but sort of like the family, the big, the sort of iconicness. Because, I mean, let's be honest, like you couldn't come from a more iconic, you know, Lenny, I mean, Elvis Presley being your grandpa, Priscilla, you know, being your grandmother. I mean, this is like, they're legends.

And so, like, when did that hit you? I don't think. sure it's the same experience you have with your kids where it just doesn't hit them it's just like what they know you know and like they're like you know i'm sure i don't know it is elvis right but i'm sure that ronnie or all your children are used to the all the things and people coming up to you and that they're just used to it you know and i it was the same thing i just it was all i knew so i there's no memory of ever clicking or something it just was always there you know Yeah, I get that because there wasn't that light bulb moment where it was always like that.

So there was never that sort of punch where it's like, holy shit. No, it was, I think it was holy, it was the intensity of it was there from birth, you know. So it just was all I knew. So now you start your own career and you decide to do the girlfriend experience where you basically are as raw, and open and available and sexual and all of these things. Did you have, was there any part of you that thought, oh, God, is this the right move? And I say that in the best way because it was so, you're so amazing. I love that show.

I love that show. So fucking great. But like, you just had, you were just felt it was amazing. Like you would never think knowing you that you would just be so. free. Yeah, I think that, like, the performer part of me, like, is separate to the Elvis's granddaughter part of me and that I just, like, don't think about them in the same, with the same brain or something, you know, like, I feel like my choices as an actor and, and whatever, director are very much, like, separate to the Elvis dynasty, you know, like, and so I just kind of, it's

instinctual. It's like, you know, whatever is feeling like the right thing to do at the right time. Of course, there's things in my career that I'm not as proud of. But for the most part, it's all just what my sensibility is as an actor and an artist, I guess. But I guess I, like, I don't know. I definitely do work that's more, you don't know what the word is. Like, I don't not super safe, I guess. Yeah, you like to take risks. But I think that's just fun for me. I like things that make me feel uncomfortable and, like, out of my comfort zone and, like, a challenge and make me think.

And, but not, you know, not just for risk's sake, just things that are inspiring to me. Yeah, because I remember when my best girlfriend, who I also produced with was like, watch this show right now. I think what was exciting about that was that it felt like a unique viewpoint on sex work that I hadn't seen before and it felt like it was actually liberating to women in the internet and now I think there's a lot more

of that kind of content but at that time it felt very like I hadn't seen anything that portrayed sex work in this way that felt empowering you know it's pretty amazing I just think you're so amazing maybe you should try doing sitcoms Like, you know, like a multi-com multi-cam.

Multi-cam. Riley, you just said you wanted to do something out of the box, dangerous, something that scares you. When you were saying that, I was like, I'll bet you was a sitcom, but freak her the fuck out. Yeah. I through my journey in this industry, trying different things. Like, I kind of know my zone and I feel like I, you know, like I have a handle on it. And I think that I don't know if I would, I don't know if I would get hired for a sitcom.

You never know. Never know. You never know. You never know. Do you feel like that, you know, I think, I guess it's weird for me to ask these questions because I feel like I get asked these questions all the time. And sometimes they're just such annoying questions. But do you feel like you were treated differently than other people? in the industry just based on your family?

I think it's a good question to ask because you can relate. You know what I mean? So I'm really curious if you relate to this because you have a different last name. And I had actually a lot of experiences where people didn't know. And I would go in an audition and like people had had no idea. And I think really lucky that I had that. And even, like, up until my mom passed away, there would be a lot of times where I would be on a movie set and people, you know, in the cast, like close people would be like, wait, you're Elvis's granddaughter. Like, so I, there was a separation that occurred that I was a little bit undercover.

Like, when I started auditioning regularly and just going in rooms, like, I was just doing the whole cattle call thing. And I don't think people necessarily knew. Yeah, similar. so like because I had a last name like some people did because they knew people family friends or so yeah but but all in all like because of my last name there wasn't it wasn't the same yeah even when I did my first movie I did this like or one of my first movies like I played this Irish girl and like people in Ireland actually thought it was like a new upcoming Irish actress I was like yes this is the best I was the opposite I'd go into auditions

on the sign and sheet and write Oliver Hudson, Goldie Hawn's son. I think that it's funny. Like, I think in hindsight, my mom was so, like, weird about being a celebrity kid that I walked around with, like, an embarrassment of it. Like, she was very much. That's me. I was the same way. Yeah.

So her kind of, the way she was very much, like, don't be an embarrassing celebrity kid. don't do don't be you know all these sort of tropes like don't fall into these stereotypes and if you like her if she she really felt like she really didn't like attention she was very like her experience being a very famous child was like I don't want this like very much like I don't want this and I actually hate it so that was projected on to us growing up too which was like you don't go places unless you have to you don't show up to the thing. Like, there was no enjoying of the, the,

or basking in the fame. It was like, I hate it, I hate it. So that was her vibe. And so that was kind of past, very 90s. It's a very 80s, 90s vibe. Right? Yeah. That's funny.

Yeah. So it was like very much like, yeah. So I think there was a part of me that felt a little embarrassed. Yeah. It was embarrassed. I also just didn't want anyone to know. Right.

You know, that was a big thing for me. Those are like two separate things, right? You're talking about more of like being a young kid. And for your mom, I'm assuming it was like what, what you would see a lot of, which is like, you know, even if you were like so many actors back in the 90s and stuff, would be like, you know, you only did David Letterman and like maybe a junket and like you never talked about things. You're like, I don't talk to a reporter. I don't I won't I'm not going to do that like it was like cool to not do it yeah totally but I I do think that it probably like what you were saying Oliver like I I also had that outside of work where I didn't tell I didn't want I see this with my little sisters like you

don't they didn't want people to know because I think they wanted I wanted to like have genuine connections with people and friendships um so I I definitely, like, wasn't telling people. And I would go really far with it and pretend that, like, you know, I don't know. Like, try and be just a person that, yeah, I know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would make it a point to have, you know, make people not know, you know. I mean, it was going to camp and that was blown.

We told the story a million times. But, like, you know, basically, mom revealed herself in a crazy way at camp and we're trying to be anonymous and a seaplane flies over. gets out. She goes, hi, I'm here. I mean, it was like intense. Right. I had like three different names that I would like, they're like my like, my like rotating personalities with like different accents. You know, I think that I think the harder parts would be to me in forming genuine connections and as a kid and that kind of thing and just wanting to yeah present as a person. When you, you know, when your mom passed, you know, I have to say like watching you and I told you this in person, but I, um, watching the way that you've really kind of like, you know, been talking about it and expressing yourself around your mother is such a, it's, I don't brave, it feels like such a silly word, but it just, it, it, I guess I really admire it because.

you're, it must be so hard to, to do, you know, to like finish the work of your mom. You know, I know this book is really your mom was working on it. And you sort of then were really like, had to see something through for her. And then to go out and then talk about her and talk about your relationship with her. like, you're doing it in such a graceful, wonderful way. And I just, I really do admire it, Riley. It's, it, it must at some moments feel very challenging, but maybe I'm, maybe I'm just projecting. I think it's challenging because it's really counterintuitive. Like, and that's what I've had to really work through, like, being open about my family. And again, like, it was always,

like, secret secrets, don't talk about this. And the fact that my mom even wanted to write a was really out of character kind of, but I think it was just towards the end of her life and she was reflecting on a lot of things and feeling like if she shared these things with other people that they might relate in like the human experience and not feel so alone in the world. And that was so important to her that that has kind of pushed me through, you know, the uncomfortable moments. And it's ego for me. You know, it's like my ego, was like, oh, don't do that. Like, I don't know.

I can't explain it, but I feel very like, it's not something I would have chosen to do. I was just about to ask that question, how much of how much of this is for your mother and how much of this is for yourself doing this book? It's 100% for my mother. And it's, and in fact, makes me a little bit uncomfortable sometimes. But the way through that to me is just being open and genuine, you know, as opposed to like closed off and reserved. Man, that's interesting because it's.

100% for your mom, which means that you would never have done this normally, right? So now, after you have done it, would you say that that percentage has changed a little bit after you have completed it and gone through some of the processes of promoting? Or is still 100%? Or are you like, you know what? I'm taking something from this now, but I didn't think I was going to. I think that, um, I think that, um, I I really have, like the, it's actually a privilege to be able to publish a book with your family's history in it. And I actually think it's such an amazing thing to leave also to my daughter and my grandchildren.

And so that part of this has been for me in a sense. Like I think it's really amazing to have this book that now my grandchildren can read. and that exists forever. So that's for selfishly, that's what I like about this process is that this thing exists now that my children can read and their children can read. And then I think that back to what we were saying earlier, like being super candid and honest,

I always find beneficial to myself. So there's things in this book that are things that not a lot of people know who are new before the book and detailed experiences of things that were really traumatic in my life that you knew if you were in my friend group, but you didn't know if you're, you know, just a human in the world. And there's something really cathartic about taking things out of, like I was saying, out of the sort of dark and share anyone to see,

sort of bearing your heart and control. Yeah, you talk about like depression and the cycles of addiction generationally. And, you know, I would think, too, that would also kind of, like, again, like they say that sort of like, you know, breaking cycles or like breaking the, you know, cutting, cutting through that circle and maybe starting a different path is also for your daughter, for your sisters, for, yeah. You know, and a lot of people through the press have kind of said, how does it feel to break the cycle? and I'm I don't know if I have you know I it's a lot of it's a lot of pressure to put on me I hope it gets broken but I don't know if I've done that you know so I think that that's that's something where I'm I feel like I was lucky that I didn't get addiction and I didn't it wasn't something I was you know it yeah it wasn't something that I chose or didn't choose

or was strong through it was I just didn't have that it's it's it's it's It's one of those things, you know, where it really does, you know, it can really like follow, like, that's why they ask, you know, when you're, you have a history of depression and your family, you know, and when it affects people, you just wish you could just take it. You just wish you could take it away, you know, because especially when you don't have those experiences, you know, where you don't actually. relate to it. Yeah. But you see someone suffering. I wonder if there's a genetic, again, I don't know the science, but as far as whether or not, you know, addiction is genetic, depression is genetic. I mean, I think there probably is some connection there that learned, you know, nature,

nurture, learned behavior or not, you know. But with your kid, I mean, is this something that you will be hyper aware of as she grows? It's something that I definitely am going to think about because I didn't as a kid, you know, I didn't really, I guess there was in hindsight addiction sort of growing all around me, but there wasn't really an awareness of it. It was just, to me, felt like we like to party a lot, you know, like it didn't feel problematic. So now definitely my, like, awareness of addiction is much stronger. And I think I do have anxiety around it, you know? I'm Jorge Ramos And I'm Paola Ramos Together we're launching The Moment A new podcast about what it means to live through a time As uncertain as this one

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They don't have a lot of access to the linear. And this is just me. I could. talking about something I don't really know just my, you know, I guess a theory, but is that because that is sort of where depression sits, it's where anxiety, it's all right-brained activity, that if you're too overstimulated in your right brain, or if that's the thing that's working all the time, that it's going to lend itself to, you know, depression, which I think also is probably interconnected with addiction. But that would be actually a really interesting podcast, Oliver, that we haven't done. You should talk to an addiction specialist.

I mean, it's so complicated. That's what's so, you know, it's like there's so many stories, like so many versions of it. Like, my mom's was so weird. She wasn't an addict at all. And then when she was 40, she was. So it's like you never, like it's, it's, I always wonder about the genetic component. I don't know how it works. Everyone's a little bit different, you know.

know when it comes to that and it's feeling i think it's feeling some void or some whole some feeling of emptiness and that you know how it gets there i don't know yeah oh god yeah brain the brain sometimes i get nervous like you know a little you know i like to drink a lot i like to drink yeah i mean i've been um better in the last you know couple weeks meaning i'm not drinking during the week, but on the weekend I'll sort of time on. But I was in this cycle of like just drinking every day. And it wasn't just a glass of wine or two. I would sit down and but I'd enjoy it. I'd be at my computer and Googling shit and fishing and reading articles. And all of a sudden I've had like 18 whiskeys and smoked a pack of cigarettes. I'm just like,

Jesus Christ, dude. Like what the fuck? And it was just kept happening. I think we also live in a world that's like telling us every day that feeling, anything negative is wrong and that we have to be happy 24-7 and it sets us up to fail because all of these things like depression has a purpose anxiety has a purpose like we're human beings and we're meant to feel lots of things and I think we especially with social media and it's just like it's it's there's like labels for things that are where you feel like then something's fundamentally wrong with you. Like, I have depression.

I have anxiety when it's just like the human condition, too. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I mean, I've suffered from anxiety since my early 20s. I'm on Lexa Pro. And I'm on- mad anxiety. Yeah, I have crazy anxiety. And like, you know, I've mitigated it with drugs.

But, you know, I've had my bouts where it's been nuts, where I tried to wean off and then just fall into this place of complete, I mean, it's, I wouldn't wish it upon the worst enemy. The feeling is so awful. Oh, it's dreadful. But I think that like being told that something is wrong with you is also a problem in certain situations. Yeah, like someone said to me one time, which I thought was really great and just how you talk to your kids about it, which is when they're feeling anxiety or you're feeling that it's actually like to look at it differently. Like that's good.

That means your brain is doing what it's supposed to do. The question then becomes how do we navigate this. in this world versus the world that your brain's living in at the moment, which is that fight or flight. Totally. I think that that's somewhere that we are not very evolved as like in terms of helping people navigate through difficult emotions, navigate through anxiety and depression. Like there's not a lot of resources that actually are really workable.

And I think that that should be focused on. And not so much that like something's wrong. I don't know. I just, throughout all of my experiences, something that has not been sitting well with me is like the idea that we're like not meant to feel pain. Yeah, totally. We're part of life of suffering.

A billion percent. And that's what's made it easier for me too. I mean, first of all, the idea that you are not your anxiety. You know what I mean? Like you are not, we attach ourselves to those feelings when in reality they're completely separate, you know? I mean, we are not that feeling. It just is a feeling that has happened.

It's an experience, yeah. It seems like when you're in it, though, when you're in it, it's, like you're saying, like, it's so hard to separate that, that even someone's saying, like, you are not your anxiety. Mm-hmm. Olly, like, in those moments, like, you know, it's like, it's even hard, it's hard for you to see that. Sure, sure. I mean, you know, it's like you eat too much weed and you're like, I know, I know. I know I'm not going to die because you can't from THC, but that doesn't mean that I feel like my heart's about to explode.

No, it doesn't take away. Like, the knowingness of it doesn't take away the panic of a panic. Sure, sure. But it can, it can sort of just squash that feeling, that over the top feeling where you can ruminate so much that you lose your shit. You're feeling and it hurts and there's pain, like sometimes physical pain. but when you understand it enough and you've been through it enough and experienced it enough

like I have, you can, I can now just say, oh, well, I'm feeling this, but I'm cool. I'm not going to lose it. You start to go, well, I felt this before. Right, exactly. I've got through it. And I, yeah, definitely as you get older, I think you realize that resistance to anything, whether it's anxiety, depression. Yeah.

Like anything is, like, creates more, you know, growth. resistance is persistence. I love a bumper sticker, but I really think that's true. Yeah. I agree. I also think what you're saying is so right, which is like somewhere down the line, like it's this idea that you're living, I like the idea of striving for like something that feels like optimum, right?

Like that's your, right? I love that. But the reality is that that you, it's like this like if you think that the goal is to get to this place and that's the that you're and you're gonna stay there

then we're just living in like this weird delusional space I do it's so true I try to almost try to appreciate the really amazing moments in the day or in my week where it's like wow I feel fucking perfect right now I'm like oh my god

I feel amazing like I'm incredible everything's life is per everything just aligned up yeah it's like everything's lined up for like 20 minutes and now that's gone yeah i mean look who's to say maybe the goal is to be in that state all the time i don't know but i know that like no one is and that like everybody suffers and and has a crazy experience in this world and yeah i think that um that's where it gets so personal it's like somebody's life like experience and lesson, if you will, might be to be optimum the whole time. And somebody else's might be to grow, you know, strength through having panic attacks every day. You know, so it's

like everyone's so different. So I think that it's like, you know, accepting of your own experience. Yeah. I, I listen to Ram Dass almost like every morning. By the way, I listen to Ram Dass, um, done the head. There's like a Ram Dass to like, beat, like, chill beats. that he's he's just that's amazing every morning I put on like a three to eight minute Ram Dass's

lecture and or pieces of his lecture where do you hear it like on YouTube I'll send it to you I'll send it to you I'll send it to it's a podcast too yeah yeah it's it's really

it's really something and I the other day I listened to this one that was like you know open heart is basically about like having an open heart and listening and like I think those are two things that we're forgetting now I say we I mean that's just I think it's two things that would be nice to add to all of this like living your optimum life wellness and well it's like actually having an open heart and really listening to somebody or listening to the experience that

might be happening, it only lends itself to compassion. And no matter what someone's experiencing, if you're someone who's really looking to, like, lead their life in that way, then you're only going to let in compassionate connectivity. And there's something about that, like, if someone's struggling or suffering and people are like, I want to help this, I want to fix this. Sometimes what really it just is is just being like, it's just really hearing them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I know. It's tough because I'm so with you. And I look, trust me, I like, I love a good Brahms or quote or the fuzzy feelings of all of these things. But you're not leading with your open heart or your ears. No, but listen to me. Listen to me. Because what happens is you hear

these inspirational sort of teachings and sayings. And in the moment, you're like, yeah. Oh, yes. And then it ends and you're like, okay, now what? Like, how do I do that? How do I implement it? How do I implement that? And then speaking to your thing about open heart and compassion and all these things, I totally agree. I wish there was self-help that takes into account all of the trauma or pain or the things that won't allow you to actually open up and feel those things. Because we all are calloused with that.

It's easy to hear it. And it maybe makes you feel good in that moment. But then you have to almost dig through your own shit to actually feel. it, you know? That's why listening, like, quiet. Oliver Hudson. But like, but like, but like, but like, but like, but. But like, really, like.

listening like like I think that's it's also like becomes about it's like it's like your it becomes your own experience like personal experience like it demands of you to stop thinking about yourself no I get it I get it but then I'm here's here let me an example okay I'm gonna I'm gonna listen and now I'm like am I listening good enough and now I'm worried about my own listening instead of actually listening like should I look should I break eye contact or like look away I mean Oliver yeah do you meditate I mean I used to a ton honestly and now no I mean I really need to put it back into play because I think that like the mind chatter is the heart is really hard And I think that, I think it actually does take discipline, like exercise.

Like, I think that it's like all good things take work. And I think that just like having a fit body, you have to exercise your mind. And I think meditation is, you know, is great. But the thing is with it is that it has to be something you really work at, you know? And it's not about. And it's also hard. It's not about like sending out and feeling good. It's like, that's my bumper sticker.

Contentment is discipline. Yeah. That's my favorite. I think that like there is something to just disciplining the mind because mind chatter is so. Oh. Yeah. Isn't it funny though because I like to run now and again. Like I can spend an hour there, an hour doing to the gym.

Five minutes in a meditation, I resist. I mean, I make an excuse not to do it when it's literally five to ten minutes of just sitting there and being quiet. I mean, it's crazy. I have a couple things, like, and I think that we have to touch on Graceland a little bit, because obviously, like, it almost feels like this magical place that everyone, you just wish you could, like, be in it. But you actually, like, have slept there, you've hosted there. And, and, like, what, how do you see Graceland? Like, what's your connection to Graceland other than?

In my lifetime, it's only been a music. So I did have, you know, that awareness as a child growing up, but also my mom was really, like, adamant on us having experiences there that felt like a family in a home. So we usually would just go at night and we'd have dinner there and we would hang out in the house and run around on golf cards. So a lot of my memories there were very joyful, very fun, like family-filled family dinner type things. as we got older we would have drinks in the you know jungle room and hang out till very late so it was like a lot of joy can we go together and have drinks in the jungle room you don't understand kate you need to ask jamie and and company about what happens at graceland's days at grace land can i come i want to be invited yes amazing can we do a girls weekend at grace land something happens they where it makes everyone just feel, I don't know, there's like an energy there and every time we're there and I have friends, it's like there's some wild stuff going on.

I love that. I want in. I want in. We're girls weekend and then we'll go do our like holistic. Yeah, exactly. We'll start at Graceland and then we'll go. We'll try it grace land with the southern food and the wild. And then we'll go do our medical like we get some spa and eat like 800.

calorie. You know, I mean, I know this sounds like, you know, do you have moments where you just can't believe your mom's not here? Like, through this whole process, like, does it almost feel surreal that? A lot of my life in the past 10 years feels very surreal. And I do spend a lot of time going, what the fuck just happened like from about 2016 until now my life was very bizarre so i it's like a lot of trying to process what's happened because we had this like very normal seemingly great life and then everything sort of got turned upside down around 2016 and around when my mom's addiction started so it was it's definitely i'm still processing like the difference in in my early you know whole childhood and early 20s into into now and there's been so much so i do i wake up in the middle of the

night and i'm like what the fuck this is crazy yeah how does how does that how does that happen how does i mean that's this insane question but how do you become how do you become an addict at 40 or you know how does that even work i think I think it was a combination of a lot of things. I think that she always would say, you know, if I was to try drugs, they would take me out because I'm the kind of person who's like goes hard, basically. And she would say that all the time. And I think she would like, she always had her father in mind.

And I think that she basically, I don't know, she had a C-section, was given Oxycontin and got really addicted physically. And I think it also numbed a pain that was probably there and growing her whole life. It was just like a sort of, I don't know, emptiness or a broken heart that grew. And I think that in that time, she'd also like kind of lost a lot of her friends and her community. And so there were a lot of things that play in that exact moment. Perfect storm. I do it.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just love you. I sometimes feel like I wanted like I had this thing I was talking to my mom the other day and I was like I don't know what is about Riley I just want to like everyone's smile just like I see you on something and I was like I just want to like give you like a massive hug like you know because you feel bad for me no just because I love I love you like you're love your energy that's the inner voice I love your energy I like I said like I really admire how you know you've been through a lot and you're really you're really you young and you're a great mom and but you're you have this like gentleness about you that I just I just love you so much we've never met but it's just so chill and I feel like we can just sort of sit cross-legged on some sort of like you know like blumpy couch and just kind of have a tea and talk for hours you can but don't be fooled Oliver I have mad anxiety so well you and I you and I can panic together

on the couch as well if you want it's so funny like I get that a lot where people are like, you're so, like, chill and grounded or whatever, and I'm like, I have crazy anxiety. Yeah. Not all the time. But it's interesting because sometimes that chill nature, of course, that is your true nature, but there's all. I'm pretty, yeah, I am pretty chill, but I use my sort of, you know, boisterous, maybe trying to be funny or self-deprecating to sometimes mask how I might actually be feeling. I don't want people to know that I'm hurting. you know in one way or another when I had my crazy anxiety when I'm going through my bouts I mean I had three kids I was having to be a dad I was trying to be out in the street I was trying to fucking do shit for them and all the while like losing my mind you know yeah yeah it's really it's literally relatable yeah yeah trying to hide it Kate you can continue saying nice no I just feel like there's like the maternal instinct in me that's like always mommy vibes but like that wants to like like be with you and like hug you and all this

And then there's the, like, girlfriend part of me that wants to, like, cuddle and watch some show. Yeah. I can be both. It's both there. It's both there. I just have me. It's like, but, but also I have a little inside baseball on you, too. So, like, there's also, like, for instance, Jamie said so.

So just to explain, Jamie is sweet baby Jamie, who is Riley's. Our mutual friend. I'm my bestie, I'm assuming a very, very. very bestie friend of you as well for you, but also your stylist. Yeah. And, um, but anyway, she was saying that how amazing it was to watch you because you're, after Daisy Joe's in the six, you've been singing a little bit more. A little bit.

And, and for me, like, I kind of have to like, you know, get into it and I get excited and I get this energy going. And Jamie was like, I don't know what it is. Like, she has to go sing. And then like, she's just talking. and it's like it doesn't even hit her and then she just goes out and she just sings like no anxiety I have like a chip missing in my brain which might be the the girlfriend experience thing too where I don't get embarrassed like I don't feel embarrassed as an emotion I was like I have to

now that is just like I wish I had more of that what an amazing thing but also there's the stakes are higher because you're actually a good singer and I'm like not a good very good singer so to me it's kind of like funny and I don't take it very seriously but you're like a real singer you know so I think that I don't like put a lot of pressure on myself because I I'm not really a singer I'm like an actor who's singing a little here and there you know oh come on you're a good singer are you are you gonna is there a daisy jones in the sixth tour or is that just not a real thing or every single day of my life people ask me if there's a daisy jones in the six tour and i hope one day there will be that would be so fun how it'll happen but you know maybe we'll something will

happen and we'll take it on the road and you tour together you should do it just a europe a europe Should we do a Daisy Jones Kate Hudson tour? Yeah. I'm in. I'll open for Daisy Jones. No. We'll open for you.

It's called the Daisy Chain Tour. Wait, by the way, so much of Daisy Jones was inspired by almost famous. Like, oh, my. Well, when I watched it, I was like, oh. I did have moments where I'm like, I feel like I experienced that. All of the, like, the costume photos, like all of the wardrobe,

all the images were almost famous like all over that's awesome was it so fun did you have the best time it was so fun yeah so fun a lot of the the prep was fun because you know when you like getting to i didn't sing or play guitar anything so getting to like learn a new skill set like that is such a unique thing to actors that's like so fun that you get to just like pretend to be a musician for a few of ones it's so fun or whatever a stripper, a sex worker. It's part of what I was like, I always say to people when it's like, we didn't get into this industry to do the same thing.

Exactly. Like we just want to. Yeah. This has been amazing. It's just been fun. Thank you guys for having me. Yes. I love doing podcasts with people I know or sort of now because it's so much more fun.

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