Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Living Up to the Legacy with Tony Goldwyn and Anna Musky-Goldwyn

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

His family may have put the ‘G’ in MGM, but Tony Goldwyn puts the ‘T’ in talent! The former ‘Scandal’ star joins the revelry with his podcast co-host ‘Anna’ who also happens to be his daughter. And, if you think this is a nepotism thing, you’re absolutely right! Hear about their new father-daughter project “Far From the Tree” that explores the pros and cons of family legacy. Plus find out what Anna and Oliver both admit to having missed out on, growing up with famous parents.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. That's good. Sible. Revellerie. That's good.

All right. We're back. It feels like, remember that movie? Oh, pump up the volume with Christian Slater. And he had this, like, pirate radio station. Love that movie. be i used to watch that movie all the time but i sort of weirdly feel like i'm doing that sometimes

it just crossed my mind i think it's because i'm finding well the places to do my podcast are becoming more limited and more limited and right now i'm in my office well it's not even my office it's like an office quote unquote but more of a storage room i'm sure everyone can relate to that where you have a room that should function as a room or, you know, something that you can be productive in, but it just ends up as a storage facility. Well, that's where I am right now because when I do a podcast in the middle of the day, I'm okay. But in about 30 minutes, all hell is going to break loose in my house. So I am now, have been relegated to a storage facility in my home. And it just weirdly felt like I was doing something sort of you know sort of like not correct back like

back back woods like I'm a pirate radio DJ I don't know why I'm thinking this maybe I took too much acid anyway this is fun we've got a couple people in the waiting room right now one man is an actor that I admire greatly he's done amazing shit all of his life and uh I think he's actually in the upcoming Paul Thomas Anderson movie, which apparently is incredible. Tony Goldwyn and his daughter, Anna Goldman, are here, and they're in the waiting room, and they have a podcast that I can't wait to talk to them about. It's called Far from the Tree, and it's all about Nepo Babies. And we're going to get into it and talk to them about it, but I just love this idea

because it's been such a hot topic forever. and it's so directed at, you know, our industry, the entertainment industry, when really it spans everything. And I've even said that before. Anyway, let's not listen to me, pontificate. Let's bring them in because I'm excited to talk to them about all of it. Hi. Hey. How's it going?

Hey, guys. How are you? So nice to meet you. Great to meet you. This is so exciting. You know, first of all, Tony, I've loved everything that you've done. I mean, you're an amazing talent. Peter's your brother, right?

Peter is my brother. Yeah, he told me, did you guys go to school together? Yeah, we were, but he lives in my neighborhood. I see Peter all the time. Yeah, so Peter bought like 18 homes in the neighborhood and sold them all and now he's married and he's got a, you know. But I love Peter. He just had a baby. He just had a baby.

Yeah. Yeah, we were talking about you last week because I was in L.A. And I can't remember how your name came, but I remember him telling me that, that you guys were friends. Yeah. No, he's great. Usually I start with, he'll go back into your life and do all this, but I just love the topic of your podcast so much because it's something that I talk about all the time, not just in my personal life or with Kate, but even on our show, you know, about nepotism and about how it sort of has blown up and how it is, for some reason, strictly directed at our industry. Right. As if it doesn't happen all over the place.

It's such bullshit. I totally, you know. I can show you some finance bros who have definitely benefited. percent, you know, and I always say, look, we use what we can get, you know. I mean, we always are trying to get a leg up in everything that we do. I would say and argue and tell me what you guys think, that in this business, of course nepotism exists, it gets your foot in the door, but you have to prove yourself. You know what I mean?

If you're the CEO of a company, you can pretty much put your son or daughter wherever you want. This is a little bit different. You know, yeah, you can get the audition or, yeah, you can get in front of you. of people, but at the end of the day, you still have to have the chops. You still have to prove yourself. Yeah, it's a complicated thing. I mean, that's totally true, especially in a creative industry like ours, you got to be able to put it on the page or on the stage or whatever your thing is. But the other thing is, it's a complicated thing too, because there's, obviously there's so many, I think the thing that inspired Anna and me, Anna, we would laugh about the whole

nepotism thing. But we also found it such a, like we felt so lucky to be able to share that part of our relationship. And I had, you know, like it was really complicated initially with between me and my dad, because I think when you're young and you're coming into something where it's complicated, you have to find to create your own identity. That, that to me personally was the hardest thing. Once I kind of got my head around that, it was there such a positive thing. And when we were talking, you know, Anna and I were talking about it. And we thought, Well, as you said, Oliver, like, every business in history functions like, oh, it's often passed down to the generation beyond that. That's a normal thing. But somehow in show business, it's become, you know, the whole nepo baby thing is, but it kind of made us laugh. Wasn't you originally thinking of doing like a nepo baby podcast with Emily?

I mean, I think the whole thing is kind of culturally quite interesting. And I guess the piece that I always, and maybe all really like you feel this, well, I guess dad, you feel the same way too because your parents, but like, I'm always like, yeah, there's so much privilege in it and there's no skirting around that. But at the same time, like, it also can feel like this immense amount of pressure. And because you know what's possible, I've said this, like, you know what's possible. You look and you're like, oh, they did it. They succeeded at it. They, you know, especially in this industry, figured out how to do something that is incredibly difficult to find success.

And then in the moments where I've had early in my career where things aren't going so well or I'm feeling a little bit down on myself, I'm like, oh, my God, what if I don't, what if I can't do that? What if I can't do what they did? And so I think there's, you know, there's the obvious privilege and blessings and amazing things about following in your parents' footsteps or having that relationship, but I think there's also a side of it that can be really stressful sometimes. And luckily, when you have supportive parents, it's not coming from them. It's usually like an internal thing. But that I think that there's

that balance, too, that often we're looking at NEPO babies in our culture as like, you know, the people who have had the most success, right? But there's a lot of young people who are trying to do what their parents did and who aren't movie stars yet or who aren't incredibly successful athletes yet or whatever it is. And that's also the journey that I find particularly interesting. Oh, yeah, especially because when you're looking, when you're thinking about nepotism, especially in our business, usually when it's public nepotism, that person, that parent has become something larger than life, you know, and for their children to sort of try to live up to that. You know, like I grew up Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell were my parents, you know.

And it's like, oh, well, to achieve what they have achieved is very, very difficult. So you put it into some sort of perspective. At the same time, for me personally, it was the same, it was also about not getting down on myself and, you know, just feeling like it was too big of a task to accomplish, so I might as well quit. It was trying to sort of forge my own path. My production company is called Slow Burn, because that's what I am. You know, my sister burned hot. She worked her ass off, but bang, things happen. Almost famous. Boom, boom, boom, bang. You know. And so for me, it was kind of like, what about me? I mean, there's this feeling that I have and still have. And I've used self-deprecating humor to cover all of my pain. As we all do.

But, you know, it's, it's definitely real. Those expectations, like you said, Anna, that you put upon yourself. are, you know, larger than what your parents do that. Your parents just want you to be happy at the end of the day, right? Yeah, it's so true. You know? I, because I, what I, the thing that was, it took me really until, um, honestly, until I was in my 40s, I think, when I started to get my head around it in a positive way and realized that it was a, you know, my perspective, because it,

in one sense, it was a motivator, the things you guys are talking about that, that drive, but it can be kind of a negative motivator and it's completely self-imposed. So you, like I found, oh, I don't, you know, with the help of a good therapist. Of course. I don't have to like sign up for that,

that perspective on that, I don't have to sign up for that reality. There's actually, that is not the reality. So there was a process of self-reeducation and, you know, that helped me. personally really improved my relationship with my father and for the second sort of in the second half of my life and this second probably the final third of his life over you the second um

we have this very beautiful relationship and our and our shared work lives were um suddenly as as opposed to being something i felt somehow pressured by and it assigned all of these things to him that he felt judged or something i was like that's all bullshit like i was just a childhood taper something playing in my head and you know anyway it ended up being such a beautiful thing that we actually shared and you know his struggles and you know he was dealing with the same thing with his father because I'm yeah you know you're second I'm third generation third so and he had a big weight of his father being Sam Goldwyn and and he grew up in like the red hot center of the golden age of Hollywood that was that was hard yeah so he you know I really was like

like oh man look what he did and he was such a good dad and then um the fact that he was such a devoted and engaged parent you know despite of whatever you know we all have our shit right sure um anyway it's yeah so what was that like though with your father coming to terms with it was it was it was it smooth sailing as far as it it was rocky for me it was a little rocky but again i you know i think a lot of that was self-imposed it was rocky because he had a tremendous amount of anxiety that it was not going to go well for me oh oh wow you know what i mean like because he knew my dad was you know was a producer and yeah and his kind of perspective is that there are like successful actors and they're not

he wasn't an actor he didn't think of it in the terms of like you know this is your passion and you go and you know try and slay your dragon so he was very supportive in one sense like okay it's great you find a passion you're going to do this you know go do it and you know you're going to have to do it on your own because it's not something I can really help you with but but at the same time I know personally he just had so much things that he was he so feared me failing and that was a frailty of his I ultimately came to understand totally because falling on your face is such a huge important part of of every project the creative process of one's career

of figuring out who you are. Just life, yeah. Yeah, and ultimately not being a, we're all afraid to fail, but not learning out a kind of welcome failure and go, okay, that was a face plant. How do I, what you learn from stuff and that, the pain that

you go through is, is what makes you an interesting person. So once he kind of was able to let go of that and I started to have, you know, got my feet on the ground, and he could let go of that anxiety. that also changed. Was it to that moment though

where it's like, ah, Tony fucking did it. He had his moment. He's on the big screen and I can now breathe easy. Yes and no, which also was real a lesson for me.

And I've tried to not carry this through to Anna and her sister Tess. And it was like he would for a moment, like when I got my first big job, like first good part in a movie where I was like popped up. People knew who I was, and it was all good. He was so excited and proud of me.

And all the, like, heat he was putting on me about, you know, let's go. This isn't working out. And what are you doing? That all evaporated. He was so excited. And then in about a few months later, he's like, so what's the next thing? You know, what's the script are you getting?

Did they not? What are you doing? You didn't get a, like, why aren't you in that movie? He literally would call me. I heard about this movie. You should be in that. I'm like, Pop, Brad. Pitt.

I'm sorry. Well, why shouldn't you do it? You should call. You should like it. And so it was a bit of a and then I started directing, you know, like some years later.

They was so excited for that. And I got made my first movie as a director and he loved that. We had such a fun like community about that. But then again, it was like, oh God, what's the next,

what's your next picture? You know, and I realized, oh, that's his fucking him up, man. Yeah. I felt bad for.

him out i was like we're good i'm good we're good yeah no that's really interesting i wonder where you know from a psychological place where that came from because the anxiety of your children is normal we we know that i've got three kids i got 18 15 and 12 you know you want them to be happy you want them to succeed going back to falling on your face i feel like we're not letting our children fall on their face enough these days you know we're such providing such soft landings for them that i I worry that the grit is evolving or devolving out of us, you know. But at the same time, you just don't want them to get hurt. I mean, that's the thing.

I think it also, though, like, came so much from his experience. Like, I think that's also what's so hard I'm at. I mean, I'm not a parent. But, like, what I imagine as a parent is you're taking your own experience and trying to, like, pull the wisdom out of it. And I feel like for grandpa, I was partially anxiety that he didn't want. you to have a hard time, but also the anxiety that was derived from him watching projects fall apart and watching things go away over his whole career. And like, I think that that's something

on the receiving end of that as a kid where you, it's like he was trying to give you a wisdom, but the way he was giving you the wisdom was in the form of anxiety as opposed to in the form of like, let me talk to you about what this world can be. And I think that that's like maybe the healthier way to have that conversation, whereas the, it seems like his instinct was to kind of, like, brace for you because he knew that it was hard. And I think that's something that, I don't know, I feel like you very much have avoided that in parenting me and Tess in this business. So one of the trips I'm most grateful for was this summer in Greece, and it was amazing. And the whole family,

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If the only thing worse than your divorce was your marriage, you are ready for I-Doo Part 2. Listen to I-do Part 2 on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tony how are you as far as passing that sort of pattern down I guess you could call it seems like you are you don't you don't have that the complete opposite yeah I'm try try you know like I mean the thing which that's really was is true Anna about grandpa that because he had even a tremendous pressure of how could he live up to what his father had achieved right and he had the same name like he was Samuel Goldwyn Jr so he was really that that was it and um and so he he was very tough on himself like you said and so when he

experienced his failures and successes he that was just hard for him so he so that's what i've tried to do to do a because i've learned to appreciate my own the value of my own failures which are many um and accept that kind of pain you know as a parent it's been the hard we've talked about this for is it especially it's hard for throughout childhood but even when your kids become adults, you want to, like, you want to keep them from that pain. And like with Anna, I realized Anna, you know, got successful very fast and was like always seemed to be a kid who had these goals and would achieve them. She was an athlete and worked her butt off, but I was, like, endured pain, but everything was

always, you know, she was able to like knock over her goals. And I would worry in her young life, like, oh, my God, when this is happening, like, she's having too much success. You can't avoid the two-by-four in the head at some point. Yeah, it happened. That's so bad I'm so proud of her, but I'm like, oh, man, when's it? You know, so then when inevitably Anna went through, you know, a rough patch or two, the impulse is to run in and try and help alleviate.

the pain and fix it and come up with solutions and I really had to learn to restrain that impulse and wait for wait for her or your cut your kid to ask that that's that's the big key because it wasn't about I didn't I was successful I'm thinking not exerting negative pressure yeah but in I would try and charge in and then had to really restrain it and you said to me once in or I think we were talking I remember it was on our podcast or whatever that that uh that it was actually better for you when I, when mom or me was not helping. Yeah, I think that the way I had said that was like, and I don't know, maybe both of you can relate to this, but I sort of felt like one of the amazing things about having

parents that you can, you know, kind of emulate after and also understand what you're doing. Like I've always felt in comparison to like my husband who works in the business, but his parents don't or people I've worked with in the past. it's so amazing to be able to talk to your parents about what you do but I think what that often sometimes cuts you off from is like seeking mentorship and other people because you already know your parents and they can help you and if they're good parents they're of course willing to like give you advice

and guide you and I found that something that I mean regret is the wrong word but like that I've learned you know a little while into my career now and having like big highs and very low lows is that at the beginning, because I had you and I had mom, and I had, by the way, so many other members of our family that I felt comfortable with talking about work with, I didn't take it upon myself to necessarily, like, seek out other mentorship. And I think that that's a really important part of being young in a career. And, you know, I've since found mentors in a really natural way, whether it's working with people or whatever. but like there was sort of a comfort of talking to your parents about it because they get it and they know and they can give you good advice and they know you and they have your best interest at heart and so I think now in the last few years especially like a couple years ago and I was really struggling with work and I had other stuff happening in my life that was really difficult like I kind of came to realization where I was like oh I need to start talking to writers who are older than me and like producers that I've developed with going back to them and asking them for advice

because I figured out that like a default of mine was kind of just calling you or calling mom or whatever. And I think that's great, but it's not the same. It doesn't create the same sense of like entrepreneurship in an early career, I think sometimes. Yeah, totally. I mean, for sure. I'm not even sure I've had a mentor because it's been mom and Paul all the time.

Yeah, but so many people do. You know, it's like my husband is an editor. And he had a film school professor who was this really renowned editor and like stayed in touch with him after school. And I went to film school and I look back and I'm like, man, did I not take advantage of like the people that were there enough? Because in a really like jaded way, I sort of was like, oh, I already have so many people that can help me and that I can talk to. And I'm like, man, I wish that I had like connected more with that professor or like that person that came to speak or whatever. because I didn't have that void that so many other people pursuing

specifically artistic careers I think have when it comes to mentorship. Yeah. So Anna, growing up, like you obviously grew up in the business. It's generational, you know, onsets. Did you know, I mean, is this it? Is this what you wanted to do? And by the way, you have one sister?

One sister, yeah, who's an actor. She's an actor. Yeah. So we're all in it. We're all in. and my mom's a production designer right my my sister's kids want to act you know my three kids want to act my son just did a movie for netflix my other son just did a little bit of a i mean like it's it's it's almost you and you're so we have to have all the generations on our show oh my gosh

your clan honor oh a hundred percent i mean it's just going to continue down the line um but so what was that like growing up i mean you immediately said this is what i want to do not really. I mean, we grew up in Connecticut. So we grew up removed sort of like geographically from the business. My mom mainly worked in New York as a production designer. Sort of, you know, so that and then my dad would kind of work everywhere. But it wasn't like all of my friends growing up, their parents worked in like finance and insurance and whatever. And I think for me, like my dad mentioned I was an athlete and that was like that was my thing. all through even like elementary school, middle school.

Once I discovered I was good at sports, like that was it for me and then went to college for sports. And, you know, I always felt creative. I was always interested in the business. I would enjoy the pretty rare times that I would go to set and see, you know, what my mom or my dad was working on. But it didn't feel, I wasn't like a kid writing scripts. That wasn't, you know, I think there are a lot of people who are like that and that wasn't

me. And it really, for me, was in college when I kind of was like, okay, I'm not going to go to the Olympics, so what am I going to do after college? And I was an English major. So I kind of enjoyed, obviously, like, storytelling and reading and all of that. And I went to UCLA and they have a creative writing program in the English department. And so I applied to be in that and got in. And that was really when I started to be like, oh, I enjoy writing and got some external validation. which is always helpful. Yeah, you need it. I get it. And, but yeah, so it was like, it was always interesting to me, but I was not sort of like this young, you know, Thespian kid who was like all in it.

My sister was more like that. She was like in all the school plays and was taking singing lessons and that stuff. But I was like a total jock and then did a little bit of a pivot. And then when was that moment where you said, oh, wow, this is what I'm doing and I'm a professional now. I mean, was it when you sold your first thing? and did you pitch something or?

I mean, I feel like the point when I thought, oh, I'm doing it was like my second year of film school because I felt like this is what I'm going to do. You know, I think the first year was like, can I do this? Am I going to enjoy it? And then the second year, this was in grad school, I was like, oh, okay, now I'm doing this. Like, this is actually going to be my career. And then I got staffed on a show not long after leaving film school. and that very quickly became like,

okay, yeah, this is what I'm doing. But then there was like, after, you know, some success, there was moments of doubt, as there always are. Of course. And, but I think that, like, one thing that I think is similar between pursuing a career in the arts and being an athlete is just, like, persistence.

Yeah. And I'm very grateful to have built that. No, I know. I mean, especially, especially, you know, the landscape right now of our business. It's just so gnarly. I mean, I haven't not been on a series. I can't even remember. And it's been two plus years now.

You know, I mean, it's like, it's just crazy and just hustling up gigs here and there, just staying busy. You know, I have a production company. I have a deal at Fox. And so I'm just trying to do everything that I can and stay engaged and stay creative, you know, because that's all we can do. Yeah. You know,

and Tony, I would even imagine for you, it's like, it doesn't change. You know, I mean, Tom Cruise is still trying to stay Tom Cruise. And the kid from I-O is just,

just trying to get an agent. I mean, there's not dissimilar sort of feelings, this idea, this thought, like, am I ever going to work again, you know?

That is so true. And what I, what I've learned, you know, like whatever wisdom I've, you know sort of gathered over the decades of doing this is you said something really profound is that there I say this to my kids is like there is no difference I wish I had you can't know until you know but if I don't there is no difference from the the struggle that you have when

you're trying to get your first gigs or midway through or when things you have the dry spells that's just the rhythm of the life. And, you know, you're always trying to put together the next thing. And look, you know, it's tough when you're going through phases where there's a lot of financial pressure, that's really hard. Yes. But you've got to figure it out and push through and figure it out. When you, you know, in those times or if you get to a point where you've been able to

like keep that wolf a little bit away from the door, Then the real hardship, I think, comes when you do not have a creative outlet. So, you know, we think, oh, we got to get the, we got to, you know, if I could just get in that club, if I could just get that, if I can just get there, then I'll be there. There is no there. I know there is. There is no there. You're there and you're like, okay, I'm here, but I'm going to get there. If you're in that way of thinking about it. And the more as you evolve and mature, you're like, oh, no, I'm always there. I'm always in my process with varying results. Some are remunerative, some I would happily do for free, some turn out to be shitty,

some turn out to be magical. You know, there's things are uncomfortable and painful, but it's all part of the same. stew and it's literally no different than when I was you know 25 years older we're going am I ever going to be able to do this thing I'm doing this play or whatever the hell I was doing do you know what I mean so that's that to me is the is the result like it's oh it's all the same you got to take care of business make sure your rent is paid and all of that yeah yeah my the final thing I would say is you kind of touched on it is if you can stay creative and be in community with creative people

that you vibe with you're like 90% of them then you're alive, then you're connected, then you're fine. Then you're like, okay, I know, I used to be, I used to, I'm sure you had this feeling too, you know, like in those long periods of unemployment trying to start out as an actor

and just getting doors shut in your face all the time, then you go to class or I had like, a bunch of friends of my, we formed a workshop that we did when I was, you were all struggling. And you just go and do like one piece of work or connect with somebody on a creative level. And you go, God, I was so depressed all, like, and now it's like getting a drug. Yes. Why do I feel good now? Why am I fine?

Why am I like, I can handle these problems. This is not the end of the world. Whereas before I came to the class today, I was like, oh, my God. I'm going to slip out of this. It's so true. Oh, God. It's so true. I mean, that's what sort of this, you know, producing side, which has been a few years, it's been longer than that, but it has done for me because it's not lucrative. It doesn't make them a lot of money until you get something on the air. You know what I mean? The deals are in place and it's all gravy, you know, only when you get something on the air. It doesn't matter, though, right now because the creative outlet for me and just coming up with stories, working with writers, reading drafts of scripts and getting that buzz from sort of just, you know, that collaborative.

of creation and coming up with ideas. You're right. It's like a drug that way. Yeah. It's everything. I felt I had that exact experience. Like 2022 and 2020, and 2023 were just so tough for me.

And the strikes obviously didn't make that easier. And I was like really, I was in the mindset that my dad was kind of describing of like, well, no one's, you know, I worked on things forever that then no one bought. they fell apart, and it was just like that after that, after that. And then the strike happened, and it was like, okay, well, no one's doing anything now, I guess. And how can I try to, like, reset myself? You know, there's no, there's no one to compare myself to right now because everyone's stopped. Right.

And in that process, I made a short film. And it was like a small thing. My sister was in it, like my, you know, it was like a family effort. Like, my friends held, my husband edited it, whatever. And it was so fun. And it was that exact thing you were describing dad of like, oh, I can, I'm totally fine now. Like nothing had really changed. But it was like the reminder of it's all about being able to be creative. And then like, and then I got over the anxiety of like, oh my God, like I haven't made a certain amount of money in the last couple years. What, you know, what am I going to do? And then. And then I got over the anxiety of like, oh my God, like I haven't made a certain amount of money in the last couple years. What, you know, what am I going to do? And then. And then. And then. And then. And And then, like, I had the strike ended and I was like, well, I guess I'll, like, tutor to make some money. And the shame about that went away. Whereas before, I would have felt so like, oh, my God, I'm failing.

Right. But I wasn't because I suddenly was, like, doing stuff, even though sometimes, as you pointed out, Oliver, the doing stuff doesn't make you money in the early stages. So one of the trips I'm most grateful for was this summer in Greece. and it was amazing. And the whole family was together. That doesn't happen very often. Some sun, a few laughs. And my kids love anything adventurous.

So it was right up our alley. And what makes those trips even more special is staying in a place on Airbnb. Because you're not just visiting. You're living a local life for a while, which makes the experience so much more memorable. So if you're planning to travel this November, it's also a great time to think about hosting your own home on Airbnb.

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you all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I love what you said, you know, about going back to sort of your roots in a way, and it's like a family, it's like the original family band sort of gets together and makes a short movie. And I always say this to my friends and even my sister and my family because it's being creative without judgment.

because right now we it's such a business you know it's like how do we fit this into the lane that they want or i'm trying to you know rather than when we were kids i would make movies every weekend i didn't even want to be an actor i wanted to direct and write and produce and like that's what i did my sister was acting and i was i had cameras and filters and lenses and you know and i always i want to get back to that way of making movies again where it's that freedom of like Let's just play and have fun and put absolutely no pressure on it. Yeah. Well, even then people were like, I mean, my manager was like, okay, so then what's the feature of the short?

And I was like, I don't know. Like, that's not, that wasn't where my head was at at the time. And I think it was good. Yeah. And also, there's the ability to do it now technically. You know, you can do so much, which like when I was starting, you couldn't even do that. Like, it was the cost of making a short film was, but like, just to tell you a little bit of Anna's, film was such a good example of how to do that.

I mean, she had, in addition to the career patch that she was going through with the strikes and all of that, she had a terrible skiing accident. And, like, could have died, but really fucked up her shoulder, broke her shoulder in her arm and had made her ski skiing. At Alta in Utah? Alta, yeah, I ski Snowbird. I've never seen Alta, I ski snowbird.

Yeah, you don't need to go to Alta. I don't think I want to anymore. Better fall at Alta. And when she broke her shoulder and had this big surgery, she and her husband actually at that time were kind of broken up before they were married. And they were in a pause. And I was like, okay, I'm going to move into your house and take care of you because she needed someone. So I lived in a little house and I lived on her couch for two weeks or something.

And we had this, I took care of her. took it to the bathed me like put moved me around yeah wow it was ever like since she was a baby or a little girl i hadn't we mean we've been close but it was like literally had to do everything for her and she was in this terrible pain and so we just hung and i you know luckily you know i wasn't working and i just come and and and lived on her couch so that was a you know we got she got through that and then moved on but she decided to make the she said she wrote this script about a father and a daughter going through this exact thing so she'd made it you're underplaying a little bit because she made it and she she was going to she made it as a she was going to make it as a birthday

present for me and then on my birthday the next year like she did a screening for me of the finished film and of course I wept but it was like the whole like everything that drove that was like good like it was driven by this this intense experience Anna had had this desire to explore this idea to make her first, you know, she'd written a lot, but to make her first film was a director as a filmmaker and it was connected to,

I don't know, and then it ended up being this very beautiful thing that's gotten this great response. So it's like, if you can, those are all indicators of like, oh, am I, do I have the right, like,

vibes going on with how I'm approaching this thing I'm doing separate from the business, you know, because I find it out even in the business. I'm not, feeling that shit on some level yeah it doesn't have to be it doesn't have to be high art you know um but if i'm not at least in my own existence feeling that connection with the people i'm

working with my approach to the material i'm doing whatever it is you know then i'm i'm i need to kind of reboot myself yeah you know what i mean yeah and when you're in that mindset it also attracts others who vibe that way too i have found oh for sure Sure. Well, that's why it's a creative community is always so fun. Yeah. Everyone's a little crazy and fun. But, Tony, going back to you and growing up, first of all, how many siblings did you have? There were six of us.

Six. Yeah, there's four by my mom and dad, and then they got divorced. Yeah. And then Peter and our sister Liz is, or a half-half brother. Okay. So what was growing up like for you in the world of sort of Hollywood, essentially? or even outside of that. Yeah, I mean, I'm wondering how would compare with your situation.

My parents weren't actors, but my mom had been early before I was born, but she was a painter, really. My dad, having grown up in the way that he grew up, you know, where his house as a kid, his parents adored him, but he was an only child, and their house was a place of business. You know, every night, dinner parties and, you know, movie stars. It was all a place of my grandpa's business. And he did not want that for his kids.

So him and my mother had grown up. The other side of my family is also in show business. My mother's father was a very successful playwright and screenwriter. And her mother was an actress. And they were more in New York and the kind of literati side of New York, you know, the kind of New York intellectuals. And so both of them had had kind of successful showbiz families in different worlds and didn't want their kids to be exposed to that.

So they kept us completely. away from I never met a movie star until I was like 16 years old I never was set my father could have been a lawyer or something I wouldn't have I knew he was a producer yeah and I knew the actors that I met were like they're close friends who were work-a-day actors you know or theater actors there's none no one was famous yeah so uh and and they kind of turned us onto a lot of to take us to the theater all the time and stuff like that but it was not um show business was like, I think he was also protective, but also didn't want, he had this thing about like, I was afraid would be like spoiled Hollywood kids and feel entitled that, you know, because we had

a famous last name. So that was, he was very, very crazy about money and, you know, things that he didn't want us to be spoiled, really. And for the most part, I was really grateful, um, because I discovered it later, you know. And, and I started to do that with Ann and Tess. And I'm, you know as Anna said they didn't get exposed we moved to Connecticut to you not have because that was the approach that I had but I did a project once in up with a Mary Steenberg and Mary had said to me you're making a big mistake keeping your kids away because like we have our kids come with us and it's like a circus and it's so fun and they love it and it's like you're why would you keep them away from a part of your life that you loves them brings you so much joy and I was like oh wow you know by that

time Anna was, I don't know, you were probably 12 years old, but it was a good point, you know, so there's no right or wrong, but that's kind of how we were raised. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you just, you just sort of understood eventually what your parents did, but then kind of found it on your own. Yeah, I mean, that, I mean, I did know, I was, I very much knew what my dad did and he talked about his work. It wasn't like he hid what he did. Got it. And it didn't go to, and sometimes like go to his office, but he was a producer, so he just had an office. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was the kind of like the Hollywood um like the glamour of it the glamour of it like in there and some people do bring their kids and stuff going to premieres and events and in the the fancy birthday parties and all

that kind of that was just like no yeah yeah yeah and knowing all their friends and whose parents are doing what with so so yeah we grew up in L.A and a lot of people were in show business but he they were very like careful about it yeah yeah I know I think thinking back on it my my parents weren't we were at premieres and there's pictures of us as kids and premieres and we were on set all the time did you love that yeah I loved it I loved it I loved being around it that's why even today when I drive down the street I see a production of some kind with the lights and the thing I'm like oh what's going on you know I mean I get that feeling you know because that was such a place for me to play as well you know I made skateboards and

skimboards and the carpenters with the carpenters and I mean I was just I mean I was just I immersed in it. But my parents definitely, you know, made a point to at least instill in us or try to instill in us, which I think they did a pretty good job. Like, this isn't real life. You know what I mean? Like, this is fun and it may be something to strive for. If you love it, if you don't love it, get away from it. But this isn't real life. So within our four walls of the house, it was very normal. You know, everyone's, I get the question, what's it like growing up with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell? I'm like, I can understand that. question but it's a boring answer right you know what i mean it was normal i don't know what else to

tell you it was it was pretty it was great they were great parents and you know felt pretty normal you know yeah so we were around it but but i also did not like um when fans when i was a kid when fans and would come up to my mom and we were like having dinner or something like that i felt like she was being taken away from me somehow and this was when I was a little boy but I still remember the feeling and there's residual feelings even at almost 50 years old sometimes where I'm like oh wow I cannot believe that little that little that little feeling still is there a protective feeling did you ever feel that with your dad of just like you know I mean I'm not your mom is one of the biggest stories right right yeah but it did there were periods where it was like

when I was on a hit TV show and a movie is huge. Yeah, that's what the comparison I was going to make is like, I feel like because your mom is who she is and is like this iconic woman, I think that protective nature feels really understandable. When my dad was on scandal, I was older, so it wasn't as like, I didn't feel as like formative for me. But when that was happening and then suddenly there's like all these middle aged women who are like, your dad is high. hot and I was like this is too far and that became that became odd and that's maybe the comparison I would make I'm sure of like what you were feeling as a kid about your mom because your mom's a beautiful woman and people I got that too your mom's hot and yeah and that's when I'm like that's where I feel people don't sometimes respect boundaries when they're like

fawning over celebrities but then at the same time I remember dad you have said in the past like what other job in the world is there where random people will just come up to you and tell you tell you how much they love what you do like there's no other job really than being an actor or musician or yeah there are moments where it's oppressive you know when you get in and uh yeah but every time i start to get cranky about yeah yeah yeah for a neighbor of ours in uh in connecticut when when it was growing up i was probably bitching about it or something and he's like he was in finance he's like tony let me just tell you you, I don't walk down the street and have it come up.

Someone come up to me and go, Richard, that spreadsheet you did, it's amazing. I was like, good point, yes. Yeah, so it's all perspective. That is funny. So one of the trips I'm most grateful for was this summer in Greece, and it was amazing. And the whole family was together. That doesn't happen very often. Some sun, a few laughs.

And my kids love anything adventurous, so it was right up our alley. And what makes those trips even more special is staying in a place on Airbnb. Because you're not just visiting, you're living a local life for a while, which makes the experience so much more memorable. So if you're planning to travel this November, it's also a great time to think about hosting your own home on Airbnb. And the best part, you don't have to handle everything on your own. With Airbnb's co-host network, you can partner with someone local to help.

manage your listing, your guests, and everything in between. Find a co-host at Airbnb.com slash host. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved, until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national TV.

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that y'all said it. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

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And we're just going to be going over some of the greats. Also in October, we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movie and figure out why black people always got to die further. The umbral reliquary invites any and all fooling, brave enough, to peruse its many curiosities. But take heed, all sales are final. Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly. With a full episode read and a commentary special. And we will cap it off with horror movie battle royale. Jason versus Freddie.

Michael Myers versus the 80 thing with the little tongue muster. October, we're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the trap nurse podcast. from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How is it working together, you know, on the podcast? First of all, how long has it been going on?

It's new. We've released four episodes. Okay, great. But we've been working for about a year. Okay. Yeah. How has it been working together? Because very natural.

It's got to be awesome. I mean, my daughter is my young one, and she's 12, and there's this, you know, I have my two boys and my girl. And you always hear, oh, wait, you have a daughter's wrapping my finger all that. I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, you hear that shit all the time. But it turns out to be true. I'm just so in love with her. And, like, you know, if I could have a podcast with her when she's in her 20s or whatever, and I'm just like, oh, my gosh.

I mean, for Tony, that must be so awesome, first of all, just to be working with your daughter. daughter. It is. It is amazing. How much fun is that? It's like the thing we were talking about about the joy of being able to share your work life. And it's a dialogue that Anna and I've always kind of had. So this felt like a very just organic extension. It's weird. Like we share each other's work. Anna, when when it's offered me, Anna will send me something to read or give my perspective. We just talk freely or if I'm doing something, I'll send her to get her opinion about what I'm doing, you know, a cut of a movie I'm directing or something like that or a script that I'm working on get her. We sort of always have this dialogue. So this is, working together is just

a natural thing. But it is, it's really fun and beautiful. And test too. You know, like, when Tess was in, in grad school, in theater school during COVID, and she was like, we should make a short movie together because I'm not, we're not doing anything, you know, and we had, and it's like, okay, and then she wrote one. And I was like, oh, wrote this, it's pretty good. And then she said, well yeah we're good let's make it and during COVID we just made a short film together and she'd never directed a film I said we should direct it she said well so I pulled together a crew together and we made this little movie that she wrote and um and she got completely turned on by filmmaking and then so with both of them it's and it was so fun to work together you know we do

so we it's weird and I feel like we I feel like we've always do it but we yeah it just feels like we've always been working together I think the difference with this is like we have um well, there's a like an organizational difference of like, oh, we have to like, we have a schedule and, you know, talk to, you know, there's that side of it that is actually fun and kind of new for us in terms of like the logistics side of it. But I also think that what has been the most cool about it is talking to other people. I mean, you guys obviously feel this doing your show for a long time, like specifically talking to other parents and children and seeing. that there are so many universalities in that relationship, but then at the same time, how different everyone's relationship are. Because I think that when you're living in your own relationship with your parent, it's really the only experience that you have, except for maybe watching your significant other with their parents. You know, like, you're not that intimately

in someone else's dynamic. And so talking to people, not just in entertainment, but like in sports and politics and all this stuff like just sort of comparing notes a little bit of like oh what is it like for us to work together on this but then also what is it like for them to like we interviewed probably my favorite interview because it is sort of in my wheelhouse we interviewed the Texas University of Texas women's basketball coach Vic Schaefer who's like this legendary basketball coach and his daughter who is his assistant coach and to talk to them and be like, I mean, their working dynamic is much more intense than us making a podcast together. And, but just to see the similarities and the differences and like how they speak to

each other and love each other and the dynamic in their family. Like, I just think it's such a cool thing. And anyone who ever has the opportunity to work with someone in their family or that they're related to is just like such an awesome gift and experience. Yeah. Well, I think. I love the concept of your show. It reminds me kind of of our show, in a sense. Yeah, totally. Your show is kind of an inspiration for us. It really was.

We listened to it. Yeah, well, the sibling dynamic is so interesting. And, you know, you could be two and a half years apart, but have a completely different experience of your father or your mother. You know, like, I'm sure your sister has a different perspective on your parents than you do. even though they raised you pretty much the same and it's just watching it all sort of go down and hearing all the different stories

is pretty inspiring and it's actually brought my sister and I closer to get interestingly enough you know I mean because you're sort of intimately talking about each other as well and strangely when I have the microphone in front of my face I feel more comfortable and vulnerable

telling my sister things about her or the way I feel about her. It's kind of like a mandate. You're like, oh, I guess I have to say stuff because I'm being recorded. I think Anna and I are both like mutually respectful of the business side of it that that needs to be handled and we need to proceed in this venture in a professional way. You know what I mean? Like on an emotional level, you know, it's like parent and child and our friendship and

whatever, our relationship, we take care of that so that that doesn't get, you know, we're protective of that too. So we would never want anything I'm speaking for you. I assume you feel the same way. We wouldn't want anything to go sideways to something where this became a negative thing. You know, that would be make the whole thing pointless. Of course. Right. Episode 10, you're like, you know what? I don't even like you. It turns into like a reality show. Might be really, we may make a lot of money if we have that one. But exactly. But in a positive sense, has it done anything for your relationship, you know? Yeah, I mean, I think for me, like, what has been the most different is,

is that, like, professional side of it. Like, I think that we've talked so much in my, you know, entire adulthood about work and how, you know, the victories and the difficulties and all of that stuff. But we've never had to, like, be on email chains together and, like, you know, have quite talk discussions about how we're going to you know what we want to focus on when we're interviewing these people and so i think that has been just a cool thing to go through because it's like being more entrepreneurial together i guess whereas like our relationship has always been very filled with creativity as it has with my sister and my mom and all of that but but there's not

there's never been like a venture you know together And so I imagine it's like, you know, whenever anyone goes into business with someone in their family, as I'm sure happened with you and Kate, it's like, oh, well, okay, you know, we have to have a phone call about this thing we're going to do. And that has never been a part of our relationship. And so that's been cool. And we're very different, like, we're very different people. So just seeing, like, how do each of our personalities kind of operate in that side of things has been, has been cool. And, you know, sometimes I'm like, all right, dad, we can stop talking about this now. My dad loves to talk and talk and talk and talk about things. And I'm sort of like, we did it. Right, right. We finished this phone call. That's funny.

Yeah. Well, that's, but that's the shit that people love to see or here, you know, that just truly authentic father-daughter relationship, you know. I mean, the feedback that Katie and I have gotten, of course, it's guests and the topics that we talk. talk about and getting into all the details and the fun stuff. But a lot of it has been, we just love hearing both of you be brother and sister, you know, because there's nothing more relatable. Everyone has, well, most people have a sibling, but everyone has a father, everyone, you know, so, hearing that is just so, that's what people want to listen to. You know, like, all right, hey, dad, dad, like, it's time to, like, zip it. The story's going

way over time. That's every day. Pretty much. Well, this has been so fun. I thank you guys for coming on. What a great conversation. It was so fun. Like I said, we really love your podcast, so we were excited to. Oh, well, thank you guys.

Really, we were going to bug you when coming on. We do need to have like a multi-generational. 100%. 100%. And by the way, you know, just going back to sort of working with, you know, your daughter, I did a movie for Netflix in January and it's coming out in November, but there was a part. for my son he wants to be an actor and it was this age group and his name was wilder but it was a big part he worked more days than i i did right and and i said look just he finished an acting

class outside of school more of an adult class i said just audition for this to have an experience of what's you i said you're not going to get it just audition for it he read for it went well read for it again went well netflix came in five auditions later netflix was worried about it because they were like he's never done a thing in his life yeah but he can They were convinced, and I worked with him for living in Toronto for 25. So cool. Six weeks. And it was so great.

Oh, that's amazing. Oh, my God. I mean, first of all, I had this idea because, you know, he's 18 now, but, you know, he's a teenager. So he's like, what's up, dad, all that stuff? And I get it. I get it. But I had this vision of like this montage with music. We go into our new house and we're sitting down, we're eating dinner together and watching

movies and it's like we're like in love again then we get there the first day i'm like all right like you want to like get some dinner or something he's like no just walks up to his room and closes the door i was like oh man it's classic but there was a moment when he had one of these bigger monologues and i had to be watching it in the scene and i we cut and i just lost it just crying because i couldn't believe what i was seeing that he was in my world and do doing it. And it was so abrupt. It happened kind of like this. And it was just this overwhelming pride. And I've never felt pride like that. And I, and Tony, you could probably, you understand that. But the pride that you have for your children, there's nothing that matches that. Nothing

that even comes close, that feeling. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing. Did he love doing it? Oh my God. He loved it so much. It was, it was like, this is it. This is what I want to do. you know he was not in drama at school but then he joined the conservatory you know now he's doing drama at school you know so he's he's hooked that's so cool and that i mean that just speaks to like the obvious privilege of having your parent know what you're doing is like he then got to experience your pride for him in a way like every parent is proud of their kid but i think that there's something really special that i have felt in the past where you know what it's like and then you get to watch him do that.

And so for him on the receiving end of that, as I'm sure you felt when your parents watched you and down the line, like there's it's like this, it's like an emotional inheritance, right? Of like now I'm giving that piece of my creative self to my kid and they're also exploring it and like flourishing from it. And I think that that is, that's like what's really special.

and that isn't nepotism. It's just like the beauty of like your creative spirit kind of moving. Yes, of course. I love that. What did you call it? I don't know what did I call it. Oh, it was good. I wanted to save that.

Oh, gosh. It's okay. You recorded it. We're good. Your emotional inheritance, maybe. Emotional inheritance, that was it. Emotional inheritance. I like that.

I'm going to use that. Perfect. Well, thank you guys. And yeah, for real, like reach out. I would love to, I'm sure Kate would love to, you know, we'll figure that out, but 100%. Until Kate, we missed her, tell her. Yeah. I know, I will.

Thank you guys. Yeah. All right. This was awesome. I appreciate you guys. All right. All right. Take care, man.

Thank you so much. All right. Oh, man, I forgot to ask Goldwin about the movie. He's in PTA's new movie, I think, and I wanted to talk to him about it just for a second. Because PTA is the greatest director all time. Anyway, that was, um, this great. it was great it reminded me a lot of sibling revelry that that sort of you know vibe and uh i don't know it's always nice it's cool it makes me excited in a strange way to work with my daughter at some

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