Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Maddie and Mackenzie Ziegler

Episode Date: February 11, 2021

Kate and Oliver talk to sisters Maddie and Mackenzie Ziegler on this episode of "Sibling Revelry." They discuss what it was like to dance competitively at such a young age, how their passions have gone in different directions while their sister bond grows stronger, Kate and Maddie's new movie "Music," and more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickEdited by Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Article, Super Coffee, Each & Every, and Beauty Blender (promo code SIBLING.)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibly Revelry That's good This was really special for me

Because Maddie and I worked together Especially now Yeah It all is so serendipitous I know It's really exciting And let me take this time to congratulate you Oh thanks all

On your nomination Thank you For the People's Choice Award for the golden globe it's been a long time it has and everyone's very excited and how great is it that Maddie I know I know we did this before we knew we sure did this isn't this wasn't we did this you know for the movie and we and obviously Maddie and McKenzie I know them and love them and have a very strong relationship with Maddie. Who I love.

For those who don't know, she played. So she plays music in the film music. This is a musical experience. We shot this film three years ago. It's a film about my character. Her name is Zoo. She is a recovering addict who's just out of kind of doing a little time out of jail. She is trying to make money so that she can kind of get her life together.

And the only way she's doing that and knows how to do that is by. dealing drugs. Her grandma dies who takes care of her sister. She realizes that she needs to figure out either how to take care of her sister or what to do and she can hardly take care of herself. She's clearly a dysfunctional person. The story, it's got a lot of different themes and it goes into a lot of different kind of subject matters and it's just a beautiful, awesome musical experience and yeah and and Maddie plays music your sister Maddie plays music my sister did an amazing job she really did really he's such an incredible talent and um dancing with her really was watching her work is just wild she's so oh crazy well even just talking to her obviously

you know her I don't but even just talking to her her work ethic from a from when she was a little girls just off the charts yeah and mattie you know when you when i worked with her you know even during dance rehearsals and everything um it just it's just like she's just incredible it's like you're you know it's like i'm forgetting about what i'm doing because i'm kind of just watching her dance she's just a very you know there are i always say there's times in there's been times in my career where i've got to watch like extraordinary exemplary talent be a part of it very rarely do you do that when someone is much younger than you and watching her work was one of the great moments in my career because it sort of just

shows how rare a talent like that is yeah it was funny talking to them too they were the they were by far the youngest siblings that we've had on yeah they were like teenagers yeah mackenzie has what 20 million followers on TikTok. Crazy. Yeah, crazy. I'm so happy to like have had them on and to kind of. It's going to be fun. You guys will like it. So enjoy Maddie and McKenzie Zagler. I am so excited. This is so much fun. Maddie and I have a movie that is coming out literally today. It's called music. It was an absolute labor of love. We had the best time on it. It was a very emotional experience.

And we fell in love. And what I loved most about it was that I was able, we were doing a musical. And to me, when you're doing a musical, you sort of workshop, the singing, the dance. You have a lot of rehearsal time. You get a very different kind of intimate relationship with the actors that you're working with. So I feel like we all got really, really, really tight and really close. And so it's fun to be able to now actually talk about the movie. I know.

It's been such a long time. I also say that too, that my favorite, some of my favorite moments were the rehearsals, just because I feel like we were able to like just let go of everything and just have fun and just be weird and goofy together. And I ultimately think like you're right. It brings you closer. I feel like that's why dancers are so close because you're spending like day and day out of the studio together.

And it just becomes this like super close-knit relationship. and I feel like that's what happened and I feel like it definitely made the process of us getting comfortable quicker. Yeah, and making a musical, it just is a different kind of film, film experience.

It's like anything else. Everyone is putting so many hours and so much time into every step of the way into the productions that we're doing and we had this really cool thing where we have these really colorful musical experiences and when we would get on set then all of a sudden it would be

the set design and then the costume and then you know it is almost like a live performance except you got to do way more takes also very I was very impressed by you and Leslie like I know that you obviously know how to dance but like it was just like

I don't know it was an incredible experience and just felt those were just it really felt like we were in like a dream fantasy while we were filming that like it really felt like we became a part of that which was really cool i know i loved it and you know what i loved the most was watching you and your talent and being so young and being so self-possessed and you're going to have such an incredible career um and so i feel very lucky that i got to work with you so young because i can't wait to see all the things that you're going to end up doing um but enough

of our movie. Let's talk about you girls. Okay, Oliver, so I don't know if you know this, but McKenzie. I can dance. I can dance too. It's making that clear. I'm not trained. I'm not trained, but I can, I have grace. I'm actually, I'm actually a beautiful dancer. Okay. Why don't you show us? Show us a little move. Just show the girl. is how you move. I'm so excited, actually. First, I got a, it's first position, playe. Okay. That was good. My favorite, my favorite, you can't see my feet, my favorite is fifth position, because I'm just going to show you, a jit-a-te-te-a-jit-a-te-te-a-jit-a-tte. What is that? It's called a juk-a-ch-ch-tte-tee.

Very grateful. But I will say that I have never cried more from watching a reality show than so you think you can dance. I think it's so beautiful and so moving to me that I will sit in bed and weep at some of these dances. I know. I think that's why when you dance, it doesn't matter at what level. I mean, clearly, you girls have more experience and danced a lot. But, like, for me, there's nothing like dancing when you can't ever get away. way from it, totally. How you move to music and like the feeling that you get from it when

you can, like, emote that way is incredible. And then if you have the gift to be able to perform and let others feel that way, oh my God. What a dream. Well, they have to know, though, that I was a hip-hop dancer in my teens. I had a group called Snapcrackle and Pop. We were called the Rice Krispies and there were three of us, snapcrackle and pop. And we used to go and bad dance cruise and that's real excuse me it was early 90s so we're coming out of you know the the mid 80s breakdance like throw a cardboard down and then we I still was pretty good on the floor though had some nice floor work my windmill my windmill was on point for real yeah yeah yeah and but then it then it became more what they called housing which was a lot of sort of upper body stuff

I trust you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. We had a coach. He used to come to my house. His name was Logic. And he'd come to my house and we'd like practice before we went out to these. Wait, wait.

Why don't I know that who is logic? He like trained us. I mean, we were like three Jewish white rich kids from fucking the Palisades trying to immerse ourselves in this dance culture because we were just in love with it. Oh, my God. Let's start from the beginning. You are from Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh, though, right? Is it Pittsburgh? Mm-hmm. And Maddie, you came first. You're now 18. And McKenzie, you are 16. And when did you move to L.A.? We've been back and forth since we were super young, but we officially moved here four years ago. Yeah, we would stay here for months at a time while we were dancing and filming the show that we did. But, It was never like a permanent thing, but we eventually realized there's no point.

You guys have been working your entire life. I mean, dedicated to dance, working super hard to dance, always doing some kind of show, always a performance, always a competition, whatever it was. What was that like growing up? Did it feel like the amount of work that it feels like it must have been from my perspective? I think for me, I started when I was six. and it was very hard for me because I didn't really want to compete and I didn't really want to like pursue dancing.

I just wanted to hang out with my friends. So it was hard not really having a childhood. But I mean, I'm very grateful for it. I don't know. Yeah, I think also like, which I didn't realize until we kind of stopped competing and we stopped that kind of journey we were on because she was compared to me her entire life.

in terms of our competition experience and that was like I just it was very eye-opening once I realized that and I understand why she kind of was like so over that whole thing just because it's you know no one wants that as a child I think it's weird too because there's so many moments we'll like look back at things and we're like we don't even remember doing that oh really yeah yeah yeah we have we have so many like funny like little moments and things that have turned into memes now and we're like, what? We don't remember that happening.

That must be so weird because, yeah, because you, I mean, you're working so young. Like, Oliver, what's your first memory? First memory, man. Gosh, I don't know. Nothing cool. I can tell you that. I mean, my first memories

was probably about fishing, being on the water. Doing something I love, though, you know? You guys must have done competitions and have, like, have no idea even remembering where you were or what they were in any way. And because there were so many, they all just kind of blended into each other. It was like, it was all the same thing.

Very repetitive. Yeah, every single weekend. It was the same thing just in a different place. You know, like, so it kind of, it was hard to differentiate the difference between all of them. But like, honestly, I'm just really happy that we had such a good group of friends and that we were together the whole time.

Otherwise, maybe it wouldn't have been as good of an experience. Did you love every minute of it? Or was there moments where you were, just like, God, we're so, I don't want to do this right now. I just want to hang. I loved like every single second of dancing. That part, I was like, this is the reason why I don't want to stop is because I'm just so dedicated to the dance aspect of it. And like, I just was so emotionally attached to that. And I loved it so much. And that's the only reason why I was like, I'm just going to pursue this because my life is revolved around dance. And that's all I wanted to be revolved around. There was definitely

like good times and bad times. I wouldn't say the whole experience was like so bad, but it wasn't so good, you know? But it was hard. Yeah. It's actually really interesting about the sibling relationship. Were you guys really super supportive of each other? Or did you guys like tear each other's hair out sometimes? We hated each other. It was more like when I remember when we had duets. Yeah, we had a do it. Obviously she's so competitive and she wants to win at everything. So she would literally wake me up with our duo music in my ear like so I would like get it in my head and I was like I just don't want to do it

I just she like she's tried to quit dance multiple times and just couldn't really get out of it and I just remember just like I feel like I must have been so annoying but it was just like if she was in a dance with me I'm like you're not bringing us down

you're winning yeah it mattered to you I think I think also like being with each other attached at the hip for being on a show for six years together. We had, we were breathing down each other's necks. We didn't not have spades.

And then once we kind of broke off that and we did our own things, now like we have become best friends and we love each other so much. And the only thing we typically fight over is like clothes, which we don't anymore. Because now that I moved out, she doesn't have to steal my clothes. Yeah. Wait, when did you move out? Just like a month or two ago. It's so crazy.

I don't even know how I feel about this. I know. It's so crazy. It's really, I, I truly love it for the reason that I just feel like I, you know, can breathe a bit more. Don't have to, but I feel bad because now. I hate it. I absolutely hate it.

I feel so lonely. Like, obviously I have my mom, which is like great. But you don't want to hang out with your mom every day. Yeah, I'm not going to talk to her about like my struggles. Like, I don't know. It's weird, but at least I get to see her all the time. I have really close. I have my full guest room decorated over my bedroom.

room, so she will come and she never comes. Well, I'm really. Yeah, she's only stayed the night like three times because she's too busy for me. What was the first thing you did when you got into your new apartment? I remember, I think I just like ordered food and just sat and like I didn't even have a couch like and I just sat on the floor and just ate food and it was so much fun. When I had my first, I did the same thing. It's almost like out of a movie, you have to order food.

food and sit on the floor with no couch. We got this apartment that had like a little sliver view of the Chrysler building at night in New York. And we went and we got, uh, we ordered Chinese food like out of a Nora Ephron rom-com. And we sat on the floor and we had like one chair. And then like 11 months later, we still only had one chair. I literally just got my couch and I like, I feel so like, oh, it's. fine but it's funny now the things I get excited about I'm like oh I have a couch like I'm so

excited but yeah so how many siblings are there? It's us too we have two half brothers step brothers step sister we technically have three more siblings now but like don't we're not close with them we've met them like once yeah so there's like a lot we're close with our half brothers we're really close with them we grew up with them which is really nice and the age difference is very from i'm the baby she's the baby and then there's our our half brothers are in their like 20s and they our one brother just had a baby so yeah you yeah and what was it like growing up in Pittsburgh completely different it was um it was nice that we had such like a normal experience like we'd go to school in the morning and then we'd leave school a little early film all day and then go home do

our homework and like repeat we'd ride our bikes like with our neighbors like it was just kind of a normal it was really normal there it was nice because there's not much to do there so we had to find things to do so when it like in the winter when it would snow we just like get cardboard and like go sledding around our neighborhood like it was really fun we had like our neighbors as our best friends so like we didn't have to go anywhere which was nice and we had our dance friends as well so we had like school friends and dance friends yeah but i think we never really were able to create like a really good relationship with our school friends because we were only with our dance friends like we weren't able to do any of the after school like activities or things and we eventually got kicked out of

our school because we missed too many days we had to miss every friday because that's when we would travel for dance competitions so we got kicked out so i just because i'm i'm sort of the idiot here what what is the what are the rigors of dance like explain your schedule i it sounds like it was all consuming, you know? So what was it, what was that like? How did it work out? It started from, we would go from school to like eight to three and then we'd go straight to dance. But once we became homeschooled, we'd literally do privates in the morning. We'd do like ballet privates from like eight to ten or eleven. We'd do some schoolwork in between like in the car ride or when we got to dance. And then we just danced literally from when we got there at like noon to 10.

30 like we we our life was dance we had no in between and we would only have off days on like Sunday yeah it was really just hard for us to go to school because we had no time to do our homework either because we'd get home at like 1030 so we'd just be like what are we going to do for our yeah but then eventually obviously being on a show you know you have to you have a tutor so that made it a lot easier for us to kind of get our work done but yeah if we weren't at a at a dance studio we were at a dance competition. So it was kind of like one or the other. Were you guys recognized?

Yeah. We started getting recognized. That made the dance experience at competitions really hard just because they'd be filming us like backstage while we'd be getting ready to go on stage and like they'd be asking for photos and it would and it would fluster us just because it's like we're trying to like get ready and get in that mentality to go on and like be prepared. And then there's like flashes in our face. and we're so little.

We're like, this feels like, how do they know our names? Like, it was kind of like one of those things. Like out of body. At the same time, it was nice. Like, to have little, like, girls look up to us. Like, that was, that was the nice part of it. But it was honestly the moms that were way more crazy. Like, the, like, the moms are just crazy.

They're insane. But they would be so mad. They're like, our daughter needs a photo. Like, they're very intense. It was, it was a lot. What about your mama? Was she strict with you guys? no she was like one of the only ones she seemed crazy like everyone thinks she was like really crazy she is crazy

but she always told me like i could do whatever i wanted if i didn't dance she was never strict on mattie or anything i think that's why i love dance so much because the other girls from our like a lot of girls from our studio ended up kind of not loving dance and falling out of that passion because their moms were like so strict and kind of like you know putting them on a schedule and rehearsing and i just had and like at the time I think you did too like we just loved going to the studio it wasn't something that we were forced to do and I think that's why we loved it so much and do you ever go back and watch when you were little I go back and watch our dances sometimes because that's like I think I enjoyed that the most because I would always be the one in the back like messing up or

something she always forgot her dances I always forgot them ran off stage there's like a video of her just standing in the center of the room just scratching her leg like she just doesn't I just really didn't care when I was younger. And I think that's what just made me, like, love it. She's just so fun. She had some hilarious dance moments. Ooh, funny. Did you guys have any, like, dance blunders or bloopers, one that stands out?

We were like, oh, my God, I was on stage in front of 3,000 people, and this happened. I remember there was this one dance that we did, and our friend, Chloe, she did, she did, like, a kick or something, and she was in the middle, and she fell in the middle of it. Like, her foot slipped under her. It was so. funny and we kind of made that a joke like an ongoing joke for a while my my worst moment which I thought it was hilarious but like I was on tour with Sia and it was the opening number and I just wear a nude leotard and I literally my strap just fell down and I'm like 13 and I just remember the entire audience obviously seeing my whole thing like fall off and the rest of the dance

like I had to do flips with holding my like leotard up and I remember coming off stage and dying laughing because I was like might as well make light out of this. It was a really cool performance actually because you were holding it the whole time. Yeah. But costume malfunctions are not what a dancer wants. Well, one of the things I have to say this because it's like it was one of those things

where at one point when we were shooting, I had to say to Maddie, Maddie, I think you need to take a break. And you have this mentality and it is a dancer mentality where you just keep going. You know what I mean? You don't stop.

You don't take a sense. second, you'll do anything for anybody to get it right. And it was like you needed a second to just kind of be, you know, let things wash over you and relax for a second. And I actually had to tell you to sit down, remember? Yeah. And when I think about that, it is that it's that that dancer mentality of like, no, I got to be there and I can't let anybody down and I can't do this and, you know, it's just ingrained in you. So yeah, when I hear that you kept going with a leotard, I mean, that's just, of course you did. Like, yeah, it's good that you did that though, because I need to have that person telling me to just like relax and it's going to be okay and

I'm not going to disappoint anyone if I'm not like on all the time. And that's definitely like, you know, it's not healthy to just keep going and going like Sia always like jokes. says that I live in a bubble because I just like she's like yeah I'll whatever I don't need to breathe I don't need to do this like I'm sorry for being born it's like one of those things that's a joke where it's just like yeah as a dancer you just you're told to never stop and or otherwise you may not be you know valued or something but yeah it's it's really really nice that you well what about that like the pressure I mean did you feel pressure at such a young age to perform to be perfect not to mess up to, you know, live up to the standards. I mean, was there pressure there for you guys

at all? I think it was definitely more pressure for her because she was considered the best one and she's the one that never messes up or she's the one that always win. So I feel like when you didn't win, you would get so upset about it. And it felt at the time it felt like it was the end of the world. Like literally I thought that I would never kind of like come back from it. I don't know. it was such a bad place to be in, but that's just what our teachers installed in us. And I think, like, once we stopped competing, it was like, oh, what do we do with all of these plastic trophies? We don't need them. Like, what's the point of even, like, worrying about it in the first place, you know? Yeah. I was never hard on myself at all. But you are the most

hardworking person, and she would throw fit. She would get so upset. And I would just be like, why are you upset? It's a dance competition. Yeah. As you're, like, sitting backstage, eating. like chips yeah there's social media around this whole time i'm trying to we we started social media like i want to say we were like nine or 10 when we had an instagram like it was really i was like eight yeah it was so lax back then like it was just like a fun we would barely go on it we barely like we would just post a photo of like kensi said she would take a picture of her like Starbucks drink and post it. Like, it was nothing like it is now. But you basically grew up, not only in social media, but you grew up with social media. Right. How is that with you guys

personally? Like, you both have different accounts. I know with kids, there's always this pressure, like how many followers you have. And if Maddie has more followers than McKenzie, McKenzie has more followers than Maddie, like are these things that you guys even think about or talk about or, you know, or even the pressure that comes with having to show up for all of the followers at such a young age. Yeah, I mean, I don't think we ever worried about our followers. I mean, really, it's just a number to us. We don't look at our likes. Because we were so young. Yeah, because we were so young, we've just been so used to it that we don't even care about it. But I think social media does put a lot of pressure on us just because we're so young and that we obviously are role model, like little

kids like look up to us so we there's a lot of hate comments that it's really hard to overlook because obviously there's so much good but you want to look at the bad isn't it weird it's it's so weird man it's like there's a thousand good ones and then that one bad one and you're almost you're almost searching for it like you're scrolling through like oh that's good and like oh, this person, oh, whoa, here's a bag. I do not all the time. She, I, yeah, and it's, it's also like, that's the thing. We're never, it's not about us comparing each other about, like, the follower thing.

Because I feel like, it's always, like, one is always above the other. And it's not, it's more about, like, the pressure of like, like, like, right now I'm having this, like, weird battle with myself that it's like, I'm 18 now, but I still think people think I'm 11. So I'm like, oh, I can't, I don't know if I post this because I don't want to come off like, oh, what happened to her? She looks way older. But it's like, I'm literally just growing up and it just happens to be in front of a lot of people and they're going to love or hate it. They always want to see you as a baby. Right? Yeah. And it's weird when they, when they're like, I've seen you, like, I feel like you're still a little girl and all stuff. And it's like,

you're an adult. Right. Yeah, but I'm also looking so cute today. So I'm right yeah but it's funny to like go through our like old photos like we went through our like faces where we had braces and then like and it's so weird that all of that was literally on camera like it's so bad because you can go look back at our old like ugly faces so it's it's kind of fun though because you know people will really grow you know grow up with you and then yeah there is you have enough followers now or you do have a responsibility to kind of you whatever responsibility you want to choose to have right right right it allows you to have like a good business and be able to speak to things that are important to you and and hopefully you have your own kind of world that

you're setting up so that mattie i know you're acting mackenzie i don't know if are you acting i i sing now yeah you've been singing well we'll get to that in a second but you know you singing you acting i mean we you know you get to actually push all that out through your social media which is so great and then at the same time you want to i mean i know i feel this way you want to make people feel good right right that's that's why it's like if you know you can like you said you can choose what you want to put out there and what message you want to spread and we'd kind of like i think now that we're more aware of it because we're older is like we have it this platform so we need to like do things for good you know talk about charities we like or you know what same

with voting, like that was a huge thing. So it's kind of just like trying to put out a great message and educate people that are younger than me. I don't know. It's hard. It is a big responsibility, but just kind of trying to get a better understanding of what we want people to know us for. Do you guys hold each other accountable? I mean, do you keep each other in check? Like if one of you is at a line or if you're just sort of like, hey, get it together or why are you doing this? Why are you doing that? You guys have that open of a relationship to do that? Oh yeah. of course we're so close so we don't really get offended no like and also it's good because you know like you don't always want to hear you don't always want yes men like like it's good my sister's

like no like don't be stupid like she's good at keeping me in check um and we're both that way for each other just because i don't know like we all have our moments but i'll never get offended by what you say because i'm like oh she's telling me something that i should probably listen now when did you get on TikTok because McKenzie I know you're like a crazy TikToker she's insane I'm ridiculous I started TikTok in the beginning of quarantine I downloaded it as a joke I literally was like this is a stupidest app or whatever I'll download it and now I'm just so sucked in that I can't stop oh my god I still everybody's like Kate you got to get on TikTok I'm like I can't do I don't have enough bandwidth I don't know if you're

She just posted her first one today. I made one today and I literally feel like dying and I want to crawl in a hole. No, I know. And then when you get on it, you get like stuck and then I'm like, oh my God, this is going to take me a thousand years a day. Like I'm literally going to be sitting there all. I mean, because it's, it's time consuming. It's so time consuming. And it's also kind of like we already have so many social media platforms like how many more they're going to be and how many more do I have to learn how to use them.

Yeah. See, I started getting weird and doing like, hold on, what are these? Oh, you have a TikTok account, Kate? Yeah. I'm surprised, Oliver, you don't have one to do your, like, little dances. I know. I don't TikTok. I only have, like, drafts.

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and I was like, well, I'm still growing up, obviously. But I'm just like, now I'm like, why did I, why did I care so much? It was one of those things where I was just like, I'm, I put way too much pressure and way too much stress on myself. And I, and I, the only thing I kind of regret is just like, why didn't I have more fun in the moment? And that's what I'm trying to start to do more just because It's like, I'm a kid. Like, I'm supposed to be a kid. I don't have to be an adult and try and act so, like, professional every second. I think that's a great message.

And I honestly think that's a great message for everyone of all ages. Right. Yeah. Be in the moment. Have fun in your moment. Don't worry about what's coming or what happened. Just have fun now. Do it now.

Yeah, exactly. I think it's the same thing for me, but not me being hard of myself, but I was hard on myself because other people were telling me things that I wasn't good enough and I took that to heart and it really made me hate dance because of it. So I think I would just say, just really just don't listen to what other people think. If you really love something, then you should, you know, just do it. And I think that's why it, like, ruined dance for me because I loved dance so much when I was younger, but I think now I'm just like, I don't know if I want to get back to it again.

It's just because it really ruined it for me. And you had music, I mean, it's hard to not kind of talk about, Maddie, your transitions without Sia because Sia really came in and, you know, we all met you a chandelier. I mean, most of the world, there was the sort of, you know, other part. But the world meets you doing chandelier as a young girl. And you kind of get this experience of like being immersed in art and being her muse and then her really coming in and being this kind of protective. person in your life and McKenzie you know you just did a song with Sia and so like in terms of the transition how much McKenzie were you always into singing or do you think this was something that was inspired by Sia in any way yeah I mean I always loved singing when I was younger I would

just sing around the house and so my mom put me in voice lessons and I loved them but then I got forced into making music when I was like 10 and I didn't want to do that at all so when that stopped I actually really wanted to do music and I went to Nashville and I did like writing trips and stuff and it was really fun but now I'm like really motivated and I'm into it and I really like doing it because we both have our own things and it's really cool because

she's so supportive of me and I'm so supportive of you Yeah. And it's just like awesome that we both get to do our separate things, but also come together for dance. Like dance is something that we kind of shared and then we got to go off and do our own thing. And do you play an instrument or are you just singing? I do try to play instruments. She can play the ukulele. Yeah. I'm trying to learn guitar and piano. It's hard teaching yourself, but it's getting there. It's like anything. It's like dance. You just have to practice every day. Yeah. For sure. Do you guys feel like you missed out on?

on anything in your childhood, meaning you were just so rigorous into what you were doing that you look back and you're like, man, I wish it could have been a little more normal. You know what's weird? It's like all the things we missed out on

was like school dances and stuff like that. And I didn't even want to do that anyway, which is so weird. Like I just didn't have any interest in that. I mean, like, sure, we maybe miss out on like, I don't know, going to a fun field trip or something. But that's something that we could kind of do anytime. Yeah. It sounds like it's your crew. You had your dance crew. You had your girls and your friends

and that was that was your world. What about flirting or like crushes and stuff like that? I mean, is that just non-existent right now? I mean, you guys like I know when I was 16, 17, 18, all I wanted to do was flirt with boys. Yeah. I mean, other than of course play sports and dance and sing. Right. But honestly, more boys. Yeah. I think I think all. Also now with the power of like social media, like Kenzie met her boyfriend through social media. Right. Like it's crazy that that's how it works now. But now obviously with like COVID and everything, no one's going out anywhere.

But has it felt kind of normal? It hasn't felt like you've missed out on that. Yeah, no. No, no. Like yeah, we both are, I guess like also we just meet people through our other friends. It's kind of like that. I know it's so weird because when I was in eighth grade or when we were young Kate, it was like you would go up to the person and in person you're like, would you go out

with me or whatever the term was at the time? And now you see these kids with Ryder, he's like, you know, it's texting and it's everything's done digitally. Yeah. Where's that human connection? I know. That's the really sad thing about it. I think now a lot of people like literally don't know how to be social without doing it on their phone. Even there's some kids I meet or some people my age and like they don't know how to hold a conversation longer than two minutes because it's just like, okay, back to back to scrolling or back to whatever I'm doing. Like I definitely think we're good at it.

Like when we're with our friends, we're with our friends. Like we're not on our phones. Yeah. It's a lot. It's overwhelming, honestly. Transitioning from dancing into acting, you know, Maddie, you not only did we work together on this movie coming out, but, you know, you just worked with Steven Spielberg, which is like a dream for any actor.

One, of course, how was that? Mr. Spielberg, he's the nicest man in the world. I'm sure he's like so incredible to work with. Yeah, I had, I cannot say enough good things about him. Like, I was definitely free. I was so nervous, so incredibly nervous because also, acting is like very new to me. It's not something that I feel nearly as confident as I do dancing, but I think also why I felt so nervous is because Stephen was raving about music

because he had seen it and he was just like blown away and was asking so many questions about our filming experience. And so I was just like, oh no, this is just like, this is not going to go well. But yeah, he was so great. He's so collaborative and like really is just like open to everyone's opinions as well which was really nice to see and he's just like a normal like he's just so sweet I love hearing that did you have the best experience it was the best experience ever I mean I also just love west side story so much I've been such a fan so like getting to recreate that and we kept it very much in the 1960s which was really cool like I got to wear the whole we wore like the period piece outfits which was so cool I got the full core set like I had the full

thing going I was also one of the youngest world That's why I'm so jealous. Yeah. And what was actually so crazy is we were, I have this like really weird connection with my mom's mom. And I've never met her, but like we looked, we were the only two that of blue eyes.

Like we have a lot of similarities, whatever. And we were rehearsing on the street that she grew up on. And then my outfit that they custom made was the same fabric from a dress that she wore years back. Like, it was just crazy. It just felt meant to be. I didn't know that. Yeah.

How about this West Side Story? So our mom's first husband was the original dancer in the West Side Story. And so our Aunt Gina, who we love like they're, you know, we call her aunt, even though she's not our real aunt. She was also in the West Side Story. So all of my mom's friends and all of our friends growing up and all of our aunts growing up were all original West Side Story, both on Broadway and the film. That's amazing. Yeah. it was really cool and they're all still filled with the dancer joie de vivre and it's a real

thing and they're in their 80s and they and one of them my aunt gina she still does ballet classes i love it that's she really yeah she's on point i'm trying to that's gonna be me i hope yeah it will be yeah um okay do you ever want to take a break from social media yes absolutely like all the time like I feel like now we more think of it as like oh we do it for you know to promote things and for our work side of things I feel like every teenager on social media just needs it I mean anyone just needs a break for their mental health because I feel like it's just so stressful and you feel so much pressure posting a picture if you feel good or if you look good or not and I feel like it's just so toxic for me that I just try and stay off of it yeah and I think also like

I watched the social dilemma the other night and like they initially created the like button to of course bring positivity and like show love to your friends and whatever and now it's just become this dark place that it's like if people don't get that enough likes or whatever they instantly don't feel value they feel like they're not good enough and they have to delete their whole thing and it's like it's just kind of sad how it's kind of evolved over the years and I just think it should be a place for like fun like to show your weird fun self and just like not be too serious about it but it's hard not to take it serious well that's how I've treated it I don't know if you've seen my Instagram but it is me being weird and my fun's purely my fun self I don't really

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it was it was a role that i had probably the most lines in a movie so i was it was you know i'm starting to get there um but yeah it was really fun she was very much like myself so it was cool to play her fun i'm doing a lot of barbecuing and smoking. Nice. Not literally smoking. You know, but just like smoking meats and stuff.

Yeah. That's great. All right. Okay. So ready? One word to describe each other. One word to describe Kenzie would be carefree. One word to describe Maddie would be hardworking for sure.

And amazing and perfect. Oh, my God. Oh, I love you. you guys. Okay. One word to describe your relationship. I think fun. I think our relationship is really fun. I think one word to describe our relationship is just like opposite. We're so we're so different. It's crazy. How? How? What are the differences? Like she's like the edgy carefree child that's just like has so many friends and is so popular and fun. And I'm just like, I don't know

I'm just like I'm just lame Okay You are not lame Who spends the most time on their phone? Kenzie spends the most time on her phone I think we equally No you spend more time on your phone

You do You do Okay whatever She always yeah I have a feeling I know the answer to this But which sister is most likely to be late Oh Kenzie is most likely to be late Always

Always like, I'm always too early. That's so good. I wish I was too early. You get that for mom because mom was always, she is always 30 minutes early to something. I would rather just be. Also, the best thing is every time we and Kenzie go somewhere, she's like, oh, I forgot my money. And I'm like, okay. And then her line is, I'll pay you back.

And she never goes. Cansy. Kenzie, Kenzie, Kenzie, it's a great move. I've been doing this for 15 years now. Yeah, but also like I would say, I need your money. I don't want your money. I would love to pay her back, but she never lets me. Well, yeah, let's get that point across that.

I don't just steal her for money, okay. Who's the most organized? Maddie's the most organized. I'm the most organized. At container store is my home. I love the container store. Who would survive? longer in the wilderness in the woods.

I'm like 1,000% I'm like I'm grossed out by bugs and stuff like I would not do I love camping I love being outside so I would probably Kenzie's a little fairy who is the better clothes honestly right now I think you have the better clothes really yeah Kenzie's been getting so many good like vintage finds and are you guys have similar style or different styles We have pretty similar style and we're the same size.

So that's why it's so easy for us to steal each other's clothes. That's so fun. Oh, that sounds great. Our shoe size is different though, which is incredible. And that's how I can get away with wearing all of my cute shoes without her stealing them. Yeah. What's your shoe game like? Do we have a lot of shoes?

We both have lots of shoes. We both are in like the Jordan kick right now. We're both like. Yeah, I knew. That's why I asked. That's why I asked. Who is the better cook? I we both are terrible yeah we both suck at cooking I just made her a girl cheese so

I can make grilled cheese I can make cereal like I think pretty pretty great cooks I'm starting to learn like I made a really good pasta by myself the other night it was actually pretty good but I did kind of feel sick after who would win in a race me for sure no maybe me because I have longer legs I think I'm more athletic than Maddie just like in sports not like obviously dance you're better but I feel like you would be like oh I don't want to do this anymore well who would win in a street fight between you guys like like a back like a back alley street fight hensy we have we have we used to fist fight when we were little like and I would just end up curling in a ball and getting too scared because

it's scary no okay when we were you're scary when you used to live at my house we used to like wrestle for fun to see you would win and she would always get scared I got so scared she's like a demon child okay who could survive the longest without technology I would say me mattie for sure yeah I I would find something else to do for sure what about like first celebrity crush like when you when you were little my first celebrity crush was definitely Justin Bieber I agree, yeah. Oh, there was like, oh, baby times. They're like, baby, baby, baby, oh.

Yeah, that and Zach Efron in high school musical, Troy Bolton was my everything. I like Corbyn blue, but yes. Okay. And this is to answer for the other sister. If your sister could live off one food, what would it be? Oh, Kenzie would live off peanut butter and jelly for the rest of her. her life. Yes, for sure. She's still, like, that's the only thing she's. It's hard because you eat all different things, like maybe avocado toast. Like, what do you even eat? I would say,

she eats healthy foods. Um, Kentsy doesn't like coming here because it's, she's like, there's nothing good to eat because there's too much healthy stuff in the fridge. And I'm just like, I feel like I just like live off of fruit. Honestly, yeah. That's so boring. No, no. Fruit is good. Fruit is wonderful. I mean, there's so many different kinds, too, so... Exactly. Yeah, it's good. Favorite thing to do on your downtime?

I think I'd just like to relax and just lay in my bed and watch a movie or something. I like having, you know, just like times where I get to lay in bed. I love drawing and painting. That's really relaxing for me, so that's probably something I did. Maddie made me a painting. I did make you a painting. Oh, cool. if you guys weren't in the arts

okay what would you do so you can't be painting and drawing and dancing and acting like just something outside of the arts and you had to choose something to do for a living what do you think it would be does makeup artists not count

is that in the arts no that's arts there's even artist in the in the word I mean I did quit dance for one day to play soccer so maybe it would be soccer really soccer sounds fun

I just can't see myself doing anything else? I know. Maybe I'd be like a... That's it. That's a good, that's a good thing. Oh, I'd be an interior designer. Yeah. That's crazy. That's in the arts, isn't it? Is that considered the arts? I mean, I'll let that one slide. Okay. So, professional soccer player and an interior designer. I like it. Um, have you ever bribed your sister? Yes. She, it would be like, I'll give you this. If you don't tell mom. Yep. She's like, I'll hate you. Yeah, she'll say like, you know.

Not now. This was like, oh, you're like, now if you're like, please just give me a back massage. And I'm like, no. She's like, I'll, if you don't give me a back massage, then I'll tell mom you did this yesterday. And then I'm like, I have to. You do that too. We both do it to each other. But like, sometimes if I really don't, like, I really have to rub her back.

Otherwise, she will tell my mom. Like, it's not even just something that she's like it's the thing. Amazing. So you know, you know she's not messing around. No. Who tattled more? Who was like the tattletail? I say me because Kenzie used to like hit me when she was little and then run to my mom crying.

We would just like slap each other because she would run to my mom crying and be like Maddie hit me. Like she was that type of girl. You definitely tattled. I definitely tattled more because you were a bad little girl. Even when we lived together, you would do that like recently. Like what? He would always do that. You would tell mom, like, oh, Kenzie did this, by the way.

Well, yeah, because I'm looking out for you. And have you ever had an actually lied for your sister so she didn't get into trouble? Always. That's a good one. No matter what, we will always, I'll always have her back. Yeah, it's just, yeah. It's good to have your siblings back no matter what. Yeah, for sure.

You know, that's the crew, right? yeah that's it yeah do you guys have secrets that like you probably will never tell your parents like it's like until the day i die like till the day you die yeah never what was your first concert Hannah Montana oh my god and the Jonas brothers open for her I don't know why I remember that if you guys could live in a different or if you could pick the decade that your sister could live in what decade would that be that's cool I feel like you would live I honestly feel like you'd live in the 60s

that's cool I don't know I feel like your style kind of like some of your vintage pieces are kind of in that like I don't know I feel like I would rather live then too what for me though I don't know I feel like the same for you really yeah I feel like I'd love to live in the 90s

I was gonna say I think you're I was going to say 90s. I'd love slim. You're right. What song sums up your sister? Oh, no. How about

wrecking ball, Miley Cyrus? Literally. Literally. Literally. You're just terrible. She's such a beautiful person. It's just like, out of the two of us, you're just the more, like,

it's easier to blame things on you, you know? Yeah, but. Wrecking ball is like the saddest song ever. It's about like, I don't know. Wrecking ball is about like a terrible breakup. Yeah. It is.

Yeah, it's about how like this guy came in and wrecked her. Yeah. You wrecked me. Yeah, like literally. I can sing too. Oliver, give us, give us some. Give us some. You already danced.

Might as well. Ollie, sing a little chandelier. Sing a little chandelier for Maddie. and McKenzie No, it won't really show off my voice You know what I mean He just starts rapping

Yeah Oliver's a great freestyle Freestyling By the dancing It was all about freestalling I was obsessed with the hip hop culture Ollie do a little freestyle For the girls about this interview

Ready? No, I'm too scared No, no you got it You got it Yeah Trap, trap Take a step back Maddie and Mac

What you're gonna do Eat that big Mac Go to Mickey D's Count to three It's me The O double L-I-E I go through the breeze Collecting bees

Making honey for my honeies I got kids I did bids I hit the skids I hit the skids once in my life But now I want to get in I made money I'm kind of funny

Sometimes I do shit I'm like a clown Going upside down I hold my breath I don't know what's left I take it off my breast And throw it up into my cleft I got one of my chin

It's time to get in It's time to put my shit in the trash bin Burn that get it out Get it up Here I am What's up? Katie Bird Katie Bird

That was pretty good Allie You kind of beat I'm sweating I couldn't even I couldn't even hear No that was purely just you That's amazing

Yeah That was awesome Okay, last question. Ollie, you ask the girls our last question. All right, we ask this to everybody. It's a two-part question. The first part is if you could take something from your sister, something positive, something that you wish that you had yourself,

what would that be? And on the flip side of that, if you could alleviate something in their life, something that you could just take away to make them a little bit more whole and a little bit more full, What would that be? Ooh.

I think I would take your eyes because I literally wish I had blue eyes. That's something I would want. But I also feel like I would take your stress off your shoulders because she's always stressing about something, even if it's just little. And it just makes me sad because I want you to be happy all the time. Oh, so. I think I would take your. Like, just carefree energy.

Like, I just love the way you look at life sometimes. I just wish I could be more like that. And I don't know, you always just have a good time and it's amazing. But on the flip side of that, I feel like we both have this, but you definitely have your moments where you feel really anxious and you feel a lot of pressure. And I would love to alleviate that anxiety from your body just because I know it takes a big toll on you when you're trying to be fun and be in the moment. So if I could take that away,

I feel like you would just have the time of your life. Well, you guys, I'm so happy you came and did this. I love you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Stay happy and adorable and cute and fun and positive. You guys have such an awesome relationship. It's so special and important, you know.

Yeah, no, I definitely, I'm, she's my best friend in the entire world. We're very lucky to like each other. We love each other. Yeah, I love it. All righty, I love you. Love you, bye, bye, bye. Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer is Allison Bresnick.

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