Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Maddie and Zoey Deutch

Episode Date: February 19, 2020

Maddie and Zoey Deutch sit down with Kate and Oliver on this week’s episode of “Sibling Revelry.” They open up about their childhood and how Maddie was the one to name Zoey, their experience of working on a film as a family, Oliver plays the role of sibling therapist, Zoey talks about her new movie "Buffaloed" and more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast. This episode is sponsored by Sakara, Coors Light, Third Love, and Away.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sible Reveory

That's good So on today's episode We sit down with Zoe and Maddie Deutsch They were awesome They were amazing I mean we said that about everyone Imagine if we're like

This one's not that great We didn't really Kind of boring This one Oh No I know We love everybody I was just talking about that today

because we're going to go do this, Ellen. I'm excited about that. It's going to be so fun. But I was saying how fun it is for us to do this because we're literally interested more in people connections and like how everyone at some point gets fucked up. It's true.

It doesn't matter where you come from what you do. Like we're all fucked up. And then out of that comes someone's, you know, characteristics and then they're dynamic as older siblings. And with Zoe Maddie, because they were very

candid. Yeah, they were. Which was really fun. And they were so cute, but they really they're very different. Super different. Yeah. They're close in age. But very open with each other and how they feel about each other. Unafraid to sort of say, I don't like this about

you or this is what I love about you. And they're still in it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. They're still. They're so young. They're still, like, evolving. So, so, you know, and her career is starting to take off. She's just so beautiful and so fun. And Maddie is, like, much more in her head. So Howie Deutsch, their father, directed a film that I was in.

And so I worked with Howie. So I know Howie pretty well. So it was fun to hear the girls talk about their dad from their perspective. I know him from a business perspective. So that was cute. And then, of course, their mommy is Leah Thompson. Yeah, I mean, you know, someone, I think, if you're an 80s child, you know very well. Oh, yeah.

Just go watch back to the future. She was great on dancing with the stars. Yes. Anyway, this was fun. It was really fun. I loved it. It was really free and fun. Energetic.

Yes, super comfortable. Very millennial. Shoes were off. Everyone was nestled into the couches and chairs. It was very free. Very fun. And we'll end with this. Zoe has a sweating problem.

Oh, me too. Well, no, we connected on that. At the end of this podcast, you guys had made, you got both you and Zoe. Oh, yeah. You guys were sweating your asses off. It's an energetic thing. When you're a very energetic person, you know, it's coming out everywhere. Very expressive sweat.

Oh, Zoe has a new movie called Buffalo. It just came out. This is really exciting. This is why we're airing this quickly. We really just did them. But she produced this movie. She's 25 years old. You know, I think that it says a lot about who she is as a lover of film and what we

have to come to see in Zoe. I think she's going to be an incredibly successful woman in this industry. Oh, yeah. So this is really exciting to be 25 and to have accomplished this and to lead this and to get this film. It was really cool. Well, I was a bit green with envy when we were talking about the film that they all together did as a family. I think green is kind of your color.

It is. Green with envy just sort of. Well, we're getting close to St. Patrick's Day. It films your whole life. I love green. I just bought these green shoes, as Air Force ones. I bought, all I do is buy you green for Christmas every year. I bought you a green sweater that's one of my.

favorite ever do you still have it oh yeah i have it are you sure yes i do it's really i have everything in my i mostly i wear green yeah i like green it's a great color for you green and browns like a nice yeah like a khaki yeah i like army green too um anyway i was army green with envy because they got to do a movie they all did a movie together with mom dad and sisters and how fun is that i want to do that at some point anyway all right um all right so here is Zoe and Maddie. Deutsch. I wish they could have seen what you just didn't.

Enjoy. I haven't seen so many things that you've done by the way. I haven't seen any of the things you've done. I know. I loved you on Nashville. That was my shit for a while. I did. I watched.

Every episode in Nashville. So you're wrong. I'm lying. I'm lying. But it's funny because we're in the same situation where your parents are in the business. And we don't participate in each other's careers, really. No, us too. Meaning we don't watch each other's stuff that much.

We don't talk about it a lot during family functions. Like, we're invested, but we're not so invested that we sort of. We have the same situation, but I've kind of come to, I've started to examine that sometimes for me personally it comes across like, I've said things in passing that when I read them later, it looks kind of gross. I'll be like, I've never seen that. I don't know what, you know, like almost too flippant about it where I, in reality, I'm actually super proud to be a part of a family of nepotism.

Like, I mean, it sounds silly, but I love that we all, my family, like, we all do the same thing and we all can share experiences and talk to each other and get advice and whatever, but I also have, it's also like I'm not supportive because I, we don't sit around Friday night and go like, all right, mom, let's watch back to the future. But you have the same thing that I have, which is that people would look at you, and immediately be like, oh, you're her daughter. You know, you don't have that because you look different, you know. Oh, she just said you look different.

No, no, it is a, it is a, you have hit on something really interesting. And you might be like one of the few people in the world that knows and understands that. Where, like, even casting directors will say to Zoe, like, you look just like her, which I'm sure when you started had the same. Yeah, but I actually think I don't look anything like my mom. You don't look like mom necessarily, but you, you are there's a you embody her yeah there is a little bit of a weird thing because any time that you're trying to kind of assert yourself as your own actress you know that that not only is it like

not only is it something people want to talk about but it's something that they love to like they you know they love your mom they love our mom and and so when they see you and they see the similarities they get excited and you kind of in the beginning of my career it was like okay how do I how do I veer the conversation away from this and just focus on the movie and then as you get older you're sort of like oh fuck it we'll just talk about what do you want to talk about

because you love it you know I mean at this point now it's like I look at my mom and I'm just like oh she's the best I mean she's just the best but I just love that you guys all participated in a creative endeavor together and making that movie so we did this movie called The Year of Spectacular Men where I wrote it and our mom directed it, me and Zoe started it together.

Zoe produced it. At the time, we wanted to build a vehicle to do something where no one was giving us the opportunity to do it. At the time, like, no one was really saying to our mom who had done a ton of directing a ton of episodic television, no one was saying, like, you should direct this movie. And Zoe was really young at the time, no one was saying, like, you should produce. And definitely no one was giving me the reins to, like, write a feature film. So at the time, it worked like a really good.

good vehicle for all of us to do something we hadn't gotten a chance to do yet but for you guys like everyone's been in the business so long and doing it so hard for so many years and so successfully and at a level it's like I understand maybe why it's not quite like the same pressure would be well what's fun though now as I said we don't really talk about the business much but I do think that what we have which is great is sort of the the bounce off anyway let's go to the beginning let's go go to babies when you guys were born. First of all, where were you born? Where did you grow up?

In the valley. Maddie was first, right? Yep. You're the oldest. Three and a half years older. And then when my mom was pregnant with me, she came up to Maddie and said, I'm going to have a kid. I don't know if it's a girl or a boy.

And Maddie looked at her with like devil eyes and was like, oh, I know. That's Zoe. And like turned around and walked out the other, like just knew 100%. So she named me. No. Yeah. Do you know how you were conceived? I love that question.

I never asked you that. I have no idea, but we know how Zoe was conceived. I'm a natural disaster baby. Are you? My mom was so traumatized from the Northridge earthquake that she had sex with my father. And that's how I was born nine months. Like she literally thinks it was like two days after the Northridge earthquake. She got pregnant.

Oh my God. By the way, it was. That was crazy. But it was understandable. Like I am a result of a natural disaster. Like it all adds up 100. No, you were little, do you remember it? I do remember it.

Yeah, that must be one of your first memories. It is. I do remember getting taken out of my crib, and I do remember sitting in the car and listening to the radio. It was so crazy. Oh, my God. It was not great for the city of Los Angeles.

Yeah, but I'm here because of it, guys. No, this is true. So when she was born, were you accepting of your new little sister? Or were you like, fuck this? I'm the queen, and now, my throne is sort of being taken over. And that was the last 28 years. No, I'm kidding.

Oh, come on. No, I'm kidding. Let's get into it. That is, no. No, I think, I think me and you have definitely passed the baton. And in our lives, as siblings, I think we've passed the baton back and forth of, like, who the focus is on a little bit more. You guys, growing up to give you some, like, Maddie is so good at everything. She's one of those assholes where, like, she's good at everything.

You can tell by the bio, it's like, psychotic. Actor, musician. I know, she's like, gymnast. Circus, Soleil, reformer. Growing up, growing up, no one knew. My name, it was just Maddie's sister. And Maddie was like a champion horseback rider,

like potentially like, is she going to train for the Olympics or not, like, traveling the world, singing, like an accomplished jazz singer, like an amazing, amazing talent and an athlete and a person and super engaging and interesting and interested. like good at everything and I have no complex about it at all. It's all good and I'm fine. And that's what's crazy about it.

I'm literally bad at everything. Like I'm one of those people who like is literally bad at everything. I had to act. What else does one do? I just act like I'm good at shit. But I'm really, really bad at all of it. So that's sort of the background.

That's not true. Zoe is a really brilliant person. But all of that is probably the, no, you are thing. Thanks, sis. Thanks. You are. I could list the ways, but I think probably all of that in being younger sibling is like

the impetus for why you have maybe found success at a very young age. How old are you? I would be willing to guess. 25. Yeah. But were you guys tight from the beginning? Like when you were old enough to understand each other's presence, like five and three or six and four? We fought a lot.

There's like the story goes that like, Zoe came home from the hospital and was there for a week and I was so excited that she was there and I was with her every day like hanging out with her and then after a week I went over to my mom and said okay when's the baby going home that's the story I don't obviously remember that I was like really little but she's still waiting for the baby to go home but no we fought a lot and then I think we we stopped my understanding of it is we were able to get a lot closer when I left home and went to college in New York because I think it was the first time for Zoe that she was able to have both of my parents focus like completely on her and I I don't know I think that was good

for us I don't remember us getting close until after I left for college that's that's pretty much how Oliver and I were even later though we were close yeah but we weren't like I mean we fought all the time and it was like you know but we I think we connected differently when he went to college I think then after college though is when we got closer but we've never been closer than right now I feel the same way

I feel the same way about our relationship I mean we live next door to each other and I'm pretty much the most codependent person in the world and I also really like you and I value your opinion and your mind and your stuff but I feel like we're closest but growing up though even in your teen years

you guys weren't even close as sister teens were the worst Well, three and a half years for girls is a crazy difference because hormonally, we're such, we're totally different human beings. It's got to be different with boys because I have two boys. I was just going to say that. They're 12, I have 12, 9, and 6. My two boys are the oldest. And they are homies.

They are best friends. They love each other so much. So maybe it's the girl thing. What is your age difference? Two and a half, two and three quarters. What did you not like about her? I say three. About so?

Don't have that. What was the dynamic? Like what was, you saw your younger sister and you're like, oh, God. Was it just like typical annoyance stuff? Let me just first say this. I was an incredibly arrogant kid. Like I was, I had an overabundance of confidence that then being in my 20s has been a nice long slide into humility.

For all intents and purposes, I was confident. I felt loved. I was a pretty successful kid. So what that does is then when you become an adult, you're like, oh, fuck. You know what I mean? like being you don't want to do well in high school it means after high school you're in trouble so like you hear that kids you hear that so if you're struggling no really you fuck up in high school i think i was like arrogant and so i didn't make a ton of i don't think i made a lot of space

like i was very focused on whatever my world was i was super close with my friends and whatever i was doing. I think I, and I'm sure this was my fault, but Zoe was really loud and wanted a lot of attention. And that, I'm sure, I'm sure you're shocked to hear that. Wait, but you want to know something about me being loud? My mom got my hearing check. She's like, something's wrong. Something's up. The doctor was like, Leah, I need you to sit down. She was like, what's up? What's the matter? And they're like, your daughter Zoe has supersonic hearing. She has the greatest hearing we've ever seen, meaning she just has an attention problem. like no but I think that it was a result of me not really making space I didn't make a lot of space for you in my life so of course you were going to talk loud you had to be the loudest voice try to get attention so that you were like make space for me make space I think is like sort of what it was I still am struggling with that I get chronic laryngitis which there's nothing wrong with my right with this like I've done so many and it's it obviously is psychosomatic it's obviously like I still don't feel heard which is wild because I'm

I am and I it's like it's kind of I'm trying to unpack it the older I get and it's like even right now I'm losing my voice like I don't know what is happening it's super super weird why do you feel like you haven't been heard I mean starting even at a younger age just because my earliest memory my earliest memory is driving down ventura boulevard you know the the car wash with the hand yeah and my sister and my sister and my dad were pointing at a billboard and laughing at it and I was overcome come with shame because I couldn't read yet. It was little. It was a baby.

I couldn't read. So I just laughed with them and pretended like I understood what was going on. Like I just wanted to understand and fit in and feel like I was a part of feeling like in a on the outside. But yeah. I mean, that's. Wow. I wonder what that is.

I wonder where that comes from. Younger sibling syndrome. Yeah, it's from being a younger one. Tell us about your dad. I could tell you a little. bit, but let's hear about it from you guys. Start with dad first. I still want to know what you didn't like about me though. I mean, no, you talk about Howie. You have a better grasp and understanding of explaining our parents. Well, our parents are both really amazing artists. They

are two opposite sides of the spectrum. Our dad, Howie's a director, but he's like you're very self-aware, neurotic Jew from New York. Yeah, total mensch. Total mensch. And Then her mom is like Irish, really humble beginnings, like Midwestern, completely brilliant, but like wants everybody to be happy. Like, please be happy. Please everybody be okay. On the other side. So I think the culture of our home growing up was very much like the sort of self-awareness and expression on our dad's side of like, let's talk about it. Let's get in there.

And then on my mom's side, while she was very expressive, it was a lot of like. put your head down move forward don't get bogged down by the details keep going um our both of our parents grew up in the arts but our dad he grew up comfortable whereas our mom also came from a really artistic background but grew up with very little and not a lot of money um and so i think our mom's biggest fear for us as children was that we would lose all perspective and just be totally entitled and spoiled, and I'm sure we are both entitled and spoiled in some ways, but she was super strong in the house, was like, I will not raise. Spoiled kids.

Really? Like, she just didn't want the worst of the worst. I think she knew no matter what we grew up in privilege with really advantageous situations. We had great educations, all that stuff. But she was really intense with us about never letting us ever speak in a rude way to somebody or get out of hand. She was intense. But she was very, one of the things that I, I think, is super cool about our mom is that she

was so delicate in not squashing our spirits while also like, I think being, making sure we were disciplined, I think. I don't know, I don't know what that's like as parents, you know, to find that balance. That's very well said, because honestly, that's what, that's what I try to do, because I think you need firm, you need to be, there need, need discipline. And I, I'm like that as well. I mean, my number one thing is be good kids, be polite, look people in the eyes. Do your dishes.

Yeah, I wish. Pick your bed. But at the same time, there is, there's walking that fine line of not squashing that spirit, not, you know, because sometimes unrueliness is not a bad thing. Right. You know, in my eyes, you know. No, and I know, like, I was just a total contrarian as a little kid. I wanted to say no to everything. And she kind of recognized that it wasn't that I was just being a dick.

It was that I was seeking connection and challenge. I wanted to actually have a conversation with an adult. And I quickly learned that if I said no to them, then they would have to explain. So she like saw that and nurtured it. And she's such an amazing mother. My dad too. Good guy. No, I'm kidding.

He's a great dad too. But my mom, she really is like such an amazing, amazing mother. I don't know. I have no idea how you. When you guys were kids, was your mom working a lot or was she more focused on the kids? One thing they did do that I thought was great is they would work one on, one off. They would try to not both work at the same time. Same with our parents.

Right. So that like at least one person was in L.A. And they would also always include us. So we would always go to set. And they also might. And this must be so hard when you're a mom. But our, my mom at least the way that I remember it. my feelings are around it, is that she never acted guilty for working.

Like, I'm so sorry, mommy's leaving. She didn't do that. She would be like, hard work is good. Hard work means money. Hard work means you guys get to keep going to the school you're going to. And so it was like we had a positive association. That's my experience of it. I don't know if it's yours.

No, I definitely feel the same way. It sounds like since they didn't work at the same time, that they were very aware that when they were hands on, they were so hands-on that when they had to go to work, they were quite happy going to work, that they knew what the balance was. They gave us other things that helped, I think, stabilize us too. Like we had literally the same nanny our entire lives.

So we had somebody in that that was really stable. I remember my mom also, as an adult, she told me that she had asked other actresses and other people who worked in film, like, what do you do with your kids? And one thing they said was give them a baby blanket so they can take the blanket with them when you're on location

and so they always have something that feels like home for them. So if you're like moving around or scouting experience now that I'm single for the first time of my life and when I bring a baby blanket over to your guys' house they're like the fuck. Yeah.

They're like, uh, maybe we have to sit down and talk worse. So he's like so. Your first. Like it comes out. Still looking for that stability. They're like literally not joking. And rainbows comes everywhere with me.

And rainbows is not small. Oh, that is so funny. You know, I have to say I don't have one blanket, but I do bring my blanket and a pillow. Like, I do bring my home with me. Yeah. What about dad? Because dad's a director, and that's a year of your life, pretty much, from start to finish. It just was such a different time when we were growing up.

Like, if you worked for the studios and you had a bomb, you didn't work for five years after it was not like it is now so he would be fully absorbed in it yeah and then it like got god forbid like it didn't do well then he would be home for a while so like she could kind of go work but that movie jail thing i think then was way more real than it is now okay so now when do you think you guys both got the bug i mean maddie let's start with you because you have multiple things that you are involved in. Like you act, you write, you sing

or do you write music? Both. Both. And you, I mean, so you're kind of She cooks, she designs. Yeah, you're kind of, you've got, you know, you got your hands in a lot of different areas. Back of all trades, master.

You wear a lot of hat now. Yeah. Zoe, you answer for me. The only thing she did. didn't do was act, which is why I did it when she went off to college. So she goes up to college to sing and I was like, I'll act because that's all I can do because that's the one thing she doesn't do. And then she comes back from college and starts acting too. So when did you start getting or like have the acting bug? Soie. I feel like my whole life. I think I similarly came out

of the womb like, put me in there. Like I was like so literally like we visited. Literally like we I visited one time a set that my debt was called The Replacements. And I, there was like, Yeah, football movie. That's a great movie. And I was like, I begged the costume designer to make me a cheerleading outfit. Because I was like, maybe I have the costume. I could just sort of end up in the scene.

But like, you can't have a little kid. It's like, finders all be like a cheerleader with the, like, I was just so, I so wanted to do it. I was, I just loved performing. I loved entertaining. I loved making people laugh was the best. I'm so grateful that my father made me feel like my important, like it was never, specifically my dad, like I would, I mean, I think also there's bad things to this. But when I, when I would make him

laugh, I felt like the most interesting special person in the world rather than placing my value in my looks, which I think is so often a thing if you are a pretty young girl. Like that was never, I never felt like that was where my value was, was played. I don't know, I don't know if that's a bit of a tangent but anyway I would make people laugh and I would be so like it would make me so happy and then I would make people cry and I'd be like oh this is also very powerful manipulative scorpio shit but yeah I don't know I was I can relate to that though there's nothing better than making your family laugh nothing making people laugh is like my number one goal in life I love it so much you excel at that well but making Kate laugh is like one of the great joys of my life

of my life. It really, really is. I know what you mean about going and getting the costume designer to make you an outfit. Like when my mom was shooting Wildcats, she had a daughter in it that was a little bit older than me. Brandy. Brandy. And I was like, I was her standing. I was like, anytime I was there,

I'll just sit in front of the camera. I just needed to be in it. I watched everything. I observed everything. It was like, it was a dream. My first word was lipstick in a makeup trailer. My first steps were on set. Like, everything. I grew up on a set. It's where I feel cozy. It's where I feel at home. It's what I love.

But to the point of like dressing the part, I only wanted to do things that I was bad at, because I'm bad at everything, like, tennis. If I could dress like a tennis player, if I could play the part of a tennis player. If I could like exist in that world and assume that life of the tennis player or like. You would like show up with like, you know, the headband and the arm wrist, the whole outfit. Yes, but like not. I couldn't do it. But I was like. like, I was there. I'm like, ready to go. It's genetic. I don't care what anyone says. Like, all of our grandparents worked in the arts. Like, our grandfather gave Buddy Holly his first music publishing contract. Our grandma started Frank Sinatra's fan club and went on the road with him when she was 13. Our other grandma was the first female disc jockey in America. It's psychotic. Like, ever, I really believe that it's genetic. This stuff gets, like, passed down. And I think you have an

inclination. So I, I always find it weird when people think that it's 100% a choice to then go work in the entertainment business. Like it's, for me, it really feels like it's just sort of part of you. I don't know. I do think that there's validity to what you're saying. When people always ask, you know, what would you do if you weren't a performer or an actor or I would, I have no answer. Like there's no part of me that ever wanted to be a veterinarian or like, a lawyer or like a doctor so much school for all those things but also i mean what are you fucking crazy and also though like you're you are you're a musician as well and you're a dancer as well and you're an actress as well like you understand all those things are part and parcel to one thing they make

you a better artist i also think it's really weird in this business when people go um like but what are you and you're like i'm a creative person i don't know what to tell you i know i do all these different things and guess what i know they make me better period they made me better do you ever feel like though that you need to focus on one to really sort of are you good sort of spreading yourself thin with everything that you do or do you even feel like you spread yourself thin because i'm a writer right so when i write something then i understand that all the shit i ever was bad at or didn't do great at all comes into play with that because you know when i write something then i know how i want to direct it and I know how I want to score it.

I know how I want to music soup it. I know how I want to treat actors. I know. So, but do you ever find that when you write something and then you give it to people to read and you get feedback that a lot of the times you're like, why did I ask for feedback? Family feedback is hard. Have you gotten annihilated ever? Or it's like, sorry, honey, this is shit.

I don't know what the fuck you were doing. I think I know it's trash before they do. So even if I send it to them I'm like I know it's fucking trash They're about to tell me it's fucking trash Number two Have you ever Have you ever like read something

And had to judge it and say She doesn't send it to me or ask for my opinion That's on our dynamic She doesn't need She does not need my validation In the way that I need hers I every movie I've ever done Or auditioned for or anything

I've asked her begged her to read it to watch my audition tape to help me pick the outfit out that I'm gonna wear to the audition or the self tape what nail color FaceTime art every fitting

I can't make a fucking decision without this goddamn asshole and she won't send me shit Do you hold on You're busy with your own career Fuck you I would love I would love for you to care what I am Oh they're excited they got into the meeting

But I don't wait you don't believe Zoe You don't back in it But hold on hold on Zoe do you feel feel like that you could offer insight, you know? Do you think that if she gave you a script? Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. You don't know, but do you feel like? No, I absolutely don't feel like I could. Oh, well, so. Well, then there's validity in her not eating my validation. There's no argument here then. Absolutely. But the argument is that I.

No argument. Just feeling. There's just feelings. There's no argument. That's, that's, right. You just want to be. Yeah, right. Exactly.

I just want to pretend for two seconds that maybe I'm, I, I, I, she needs me. Wait a minute. But I think you might be selling yourself short here. That's not true at all. You, I have asked you specifically. It's part of the neuroses that she took on from her father. She clearly has some of dad's neurotic. I actually am a lot more like my dad.

Look like my mom. And you're a lot more like my dad. Yeah. You know what they say about like as an actor that you're only as good as the people that you're working with? Right. Right. Well, you make my accent terrible. Right.

So the truth is, is that I have to think so hard. Sikara. I have to think so hard about my accent when I'm doing this with you. But then let's do another accent because this British thing is making my head spin like a top on Windsor Palace. No. No. No. No, I love the English because it's.

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go for it she's looking at me like can I go for it I'm really curious what your answer is right now no I'm curious what your answer is right now but I feel like I always answer everything first because I can't shut the fuck up so why don't you answer I'm the therapist I literally can't keep my mouth shut

it's like the worst characters girls girls I'm the therapist why don't you go first because you're the oldest okay Maddie I think I would say I think we have some dynamics maybe that are a little unhealthy but like baked in and sometimes I feel like it's a cycle we can't get out of like what like sometimes like what like sometimes I feel that we're either joined completely at the hip and totally involved in each other's lives and you know like we'll be together on a trip and we're with each other nonstop for two weeks straight and blah blah blah and we're really tight

and we're working out our shit and blah blah or we're completely apart we don't know what's going on with each other. I'm not sharing with you. You're not sharing with me. And then when we do kind of try to bridge the gap, it's, it is like fraud. And I don't know what that is. If I, that would maybe be the first thing I would say when I went to a therapist is that it feels like it's zero or a hundred. And we try to get the, it to the pendulum to swing to the middle. It's like there, it's tense. And I don't know what, what that is? Yeah. Or like, what about the other day when we were at lunch and I was trying to tell. And she thinks I keep secrets from her, which is so not true. Like, I tell her everything, but I was...

Whoa. I tell you fucking everything. Whoa. I'm going to call bullshit right there. You do keep it. What are all those memes you post all the time on Instagram about Scorpio's keeping secrets? From everyone, but you? No, that's not true.

You do, there's plenty of stuff you don't tell me. See, that's not true, though. Say, we got to go to therapy. I think I'm not telling you, but I'm telling you everything. We got to go to therapy. I'm in a transitional time. in my life where I have been, I've said it before, I'm a very codependent person. I'm 25 and I've been in relationships, very long term romantic relationships since I was 13. And this is the first

time in my life, in my adult life that I'm single. And so there are, um, again, it's a very transitional time in my life. And I was filling in Maddie about something. And she sort of, I felt like she put a wall up and I was trying to determine what it was and I think it was because she felt like I hadn't updated her quick enough like you felt like I was keeping something from you

but it was the actual opposite I was trying to fill you in but you were mad that I hadn't done it earlier but I was like it just then you know at Katzio the other day I told you weren't no time of it when there was a big space where all important life events

happen in the valley at Katzuya who paid we split it nice all hold on so what would you gave your You gave yours. What about, what about Zoe yours for Maddie? Like you're in therapy.

What would be the thing that you? Oh, that. Well, partially. I don't understand why she thinks that I'm, I don't know why she thinks that I'm keeping things from her because I'm not. And I. It sounds like a matter of trust and sort of level of how you guys hold each other in importance. Wait, but you have that with me too. Like what you said 10 minutes ago when you were like, you don't send me stuff to read.

So it's sort of like There's content That you think I don't want to share with you And there's content I think you don't want to share with me And maybe it's not the same content But there is like a weird thing Where we both think we're withholding with each other Do you trust your sister with information about your life?

Very much so I don't necessarily trust that she won't judge it But I do trust that she won't tell other people And do you trust her point of view on things Like do you would you want her advice I think it's actually the same thing. I do trust that you'll hold space for it, but I don't trust that you won't judge it.

I think that's, you hit the nail on the head. It is about judgment. So what happens if she does? But that's okay, right. Why isn't that okay? So what happens if she does? Because I think I'm going to take a gander here. My therapist would probably be proud of me for this.

I think. I'm very proud of you. Possibly. Thank you so much, Oliver. Yeah. I think it's possible that you and I, both share this similar thing that it's like if the other person disapproves we must change it or if the other person disapproves it must be wrong or I must adjust so you don't trust yourself

is what you're really saying I mean I have huge trust issues with myself I think you do too like so if she but we hold each other's opinion very high regard so we feel like the other person's judging then it's like oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit am I supposed to change this okay so then okay so now oh shit oh shit she feels this way what do you do it doesn't call her sometimes I think at that point that's the point where we isolate from each other a little bit

okay why I'm not sure this is the cycle that I'm talking about right that we get locked in you are sure it's there there is a reason for it but I think that when these things are happening and I'm going to probably cut all this out really because it's kind of I mean I mean well because it's say that so here's what I think we're going to edit the part what you said we're going to we're going to say when you said we're going to cut out that's what we're going to put out

so dear sister the thing is is that your impulse you're already assuming something that isn't happening and and you're not allowing yourself an opportunity to understand what it is that you're really feeling in terms of what would happen if your sister didn't approve and vice versa. It seems like from what you're saying, it's like, well, you're going if and when I'll just isolate myself. So you're already creating, you're creating the pattern. So the question is it's not about how you're going to receive it, but how are you going to change that experience? We're both alpha. It's very rare for like two siblings, if there's two siblings, for them both to be just to both be big personalities

like that and you guys are too am I wrong but you guys both seem like I'm probably more alpha than all no no no no I think we're alpha in different arenas right but that's what it is I always say I always say about us and I get the feeling you just sharing space and being the same room with you guys me and Zoe are sort of worthy adversaries

I get the feeling you guys probably have that as well like one person does not kind of play second fiddle to the other This makes it complicated when you are both super strong that way. And I talk about that with you. I don't think it makes things easier. There's an anxiety attached to when we disagree or disapprove of one another, I think. Like, it makes you anxious if you think that I disagree or disapprove.

For me, it makes me anxious if I think. But we disagree about all the time. Is that why I'm so anxious? I think so. fuck this is great guys thanks for the free salad don't you don't get it out everything's better now don't you think there's an anxiety behind it there's an anxiety behind everything in my everything i i am i am 100% walking talking anxiety so definitely we're both really wrecked with anxiety why i you want to know how anxious i am what i'm bragging about my yeah no i can brag too

you want to know how anxious i am hey i'm more anxious than you i came out of the womb with this thing called Fainting Baby Disorder. Oh, I read about this with you. No. Where I would hold my breath and make myself pass out. That's so scary. When I felt anxious or uncomfortable and how traumatizing for my mother. But I was, but I had the same thing, but the opposite, I would throw temper tantrums.

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We kind of went off on this tangent where you right out of the bat wanted to be an actress, clearly. When do you remember when you were like, oh yeah, that's what I want to do? I don't think I have that moment where, you know, I read so often, like these very earnest interviews

of people I admire being like, I watched that Catherine Hepburn movie and I said, that's me, I want to do that. Like, I love Catherine Hepburn, of course, greatest actress of all time. But it was, it was, I, I would play Barbies and I would cry when Barbie was down on her luck and the Jeep would break down and Ken just had a Ken cup and no penis. No, I, I really did. I, I always, always wanted to do it. But that being said, my grandmother who I think is like the, was my, is and always will be like my greatest inspiration.

my like my hero she was an amazing artist and she would always say to me she was kind of woo-woo and kind of wacky and lived in montana and painted old slept all day and painted all night and was weird and she thought i want to be i want to just get weirder and weirder as i get older like half dance oh that's yeah she was fucking she wore kitten heels to walk from her house into her art studio in the dead of winter in montana and like three feet of snow she would wear like a like a kitten heel and like Audrey Hepburn kind of black pants and like a calf tan. She was brilliant in so many different ways, but she would always say to me as like a young girl, she was like, I know you want to act, but you're, you're going to, it's going to drive you crazy

because you're going to want to do other things too. And you've got to figure that out. You've got to like keep nurturing these other parts of your personality, these things. And as, and I did as, I loved fabrics and textiles and painting. really obsessed with um so he's an incredible painter she won't like acknowledge it but she's like a brilliant painter yeah i have a painting of hers in my house and everyone when they walk into my house they're like what the fuck is that like it's powerful very powerful like i really i so admire you honestly all the different avenues and different things and as a businesswoman and as a and people

you know who have you and reese who like i look at it i go oh you actually can't it's exhausting i'm sure but you go okay like I can do that I can have a family and I can make that a huge main focus of my life but also have a business and also produce and also act and do all these things and that I'm starting to understand more what my grandmother was trying to say to me which is that you want so much from life and you can have it and you can do it and go out and do it and yeah no you were saying that because I was asking you about that one moment in your life probably when does Zach and Cody sweet That was probably the moment, right? Wait, what were like? My first job was in the Disney Channel, which was right, oh, that's right. I have a sweating problem, and I'm literally sweating so much right now. Anyway, I, I was, I did, my first job was on this Disney Channel show, and they would always put you. How old were you?

I was 14, and I was in a performing arts high school, and I was like, very cool to be working and whatever, and I was so excited. And they put you on these tight fucking shirts, and I was like, oh, shit. And it's a live audience and a whole thing. And so in between, like, the most shameful thing ever. In between live tapings, in front of a giant audience, they're like five PAs are blow-drying my armpits. I'm sitting there. My life story.

But yeah, I didn't answer your question. Anyway, I always wanted to act. I don't know. Do you have an exact moment? Well, I remember watching Jody Foster in Silence of the Lambs, the accused. And I just always felt that she was so engaged and very powerful. That's how I felt about your mom in First Wives Club. Oh, really?

That's like our favorite movie. I'm not, I mean, so funny. I step, I, I, it's the, I just can't even put into words how important. I know it seems silly, like, you know, I want to have some sort of, it's like, when people ask me my favorite movie, I'm like, it's Anchorman, like, 100% like the things that I really am like, they changed my life. That's great. I agree.

That's so, I know, I get that. I have a facelift because of the, because, yeah. Oh, God. It's so awesome. That's how you see. Wow. That is crazy. When did you girls connect?

Meaning like you hated each other. Well, it sounds like you're still trying to figure it out. But you guys, you guys hated each other. And then when was it like, oh my God, you are my home girl for life and you're not only my sister, but I want to talk to you every day and you're my best friend. I mean we started living next door to each other. When was that? Seven years, six years ago, right?

Are you still next door to each other? Yeah. Oh, how fun. Yeah, we see each other. every day for I also I think when we made a movie together that was a really cool experience because it was we got to see each other in our working environment and we also got to act together which was like one of the great joys of my life personally to hit the ball back and forth with you I didn't really realize it was really special because we would like be in the middle of the scene and all

the sudden I would turn to you know get out of the shot or whatever and I'd see our DP who operated also he would have like his head in his shirt like this like crying laughing trying not to ruin the take and I would walk out of the room and go to village and everyone in village would just be like staring at the monitor there was some kind of really special magic that happened when we got to hit the ball back and forth that I did not think would occur because a lot of the time chemistry is weird like that you know it doesn't just because you have a relationship doesn't denote that it's going to appear on screen or on camera that was really special for me I felt like I got to know you better as a person by going through that process together. Maybe it was just me.

That was a transition of sort. For me it was. Do you guys have the same friends? Like do you share friends? Not really. I mean, well, we share friends in that like last night I came over and I like love your friends and they feel like family to me. But I don't think you have that with my friends.

But they're not, you guys don't share like a best mutual friend. No, no, no, no. We're very lucky in that I still have like the same four best friends from kindergarten and Zoe still has the same like three best friends. friends from like third grade or something yeah so we have or that's nice that is one thing from kindergarten no one ever says this about L.A. people in L.A. who grow up in L.A., it's like you keep those friends. Oh, yeah. I have my five best. But no one ever talks about that because everyone thinks of L.A. is being like flitty and like achievement obsessed and but me and everyone that I know that grew up

in the city. Yeah, we're tight. So tight with the same people for 25 years. So do you and will you live next to each other. So clearly you talk almost every day or is it the kind of thing where you live next to each other, but sometimes you'll go two weeks and not have even talked to each other. No, we see each other every day. If I'm in town, if I'm here, you're here. Are you girls going to work together again? Do you have anything that you're interested in together? Maddie said yes to, I'm developing a scripted podcast and Maddie's writing it with a couple people. Oh, cool. So she's starting the writers in a couple weeks. Oh, fun. Yeah. Okay, let's do a speed round. Okay, one word to describe each other. you do Maddie.

Should we say it at the same time? Yeah, one, two, three. Smart. Fierce. Ooh. Oh, I like. What causes the most fights? One, two, three.

Clothing. Clothing. Well, perfect segue, who has the better, who has the better closet to raid? Oh, my God. Zoe. One thousand percent. She, well, now that she's like a nudie, a nudie star, she just gets sent so much shit. all the time.

It's a nudie. I feel like it's weird to say movie star. So we say nudie star. You're a nudie star. I did in kindergarten say to everyone because my mom was in movies that I couldn't see. I told everyone in kindergarten that my mom was in adult movies. And then finally the teacher was like, Leah, I have to talk to you. So the kids are going home and telling them parents that you're a porn star.

That's funny. Who gives better fashion advice? Maddie. I think I do. I think I'm good with like, um, sort of like the whole picture like I'm able to zoom out and be like have like the vision for the thing and be like this is I think how you execute so when you go to an event if she's in an event do you be like I FaceTime her I was at a fitting for Vanity Fair whatever right before this I faced under from

it and it was a dress that she had picked out for me like a while ago and I was like I got it for you are you proud of me do you love me now Maddie it is really fun though we'll sit now because so but it is it is sweet and this is one thing I'll just say knowing Zoe as a little kid it was so sweet. My mom used to just draw outlines and add little tabs and let Zoe make her own paper doll clothes. She would help her sew and make her own Barbie clothes. Like Zoe's always loved fashion. So for me as her older sister, I think it's so sweet and it makes me so happy to see that there's sort of been this like roundabout kind of backdoor entrance to being able to work with really important people in fashion because I know that was always important to her

but it's not like you went to school for design or are a designer but you get to do all this cool work you guys over there I know you're saying cool because there's like an art to it and it's very special I have to find because I have pictures throughout my life of outfits that I would wear that we've got to find these pictures I mean my outfits were out of control but like out there like I was like

I would wear cowboy boots A spree Cat suits with like neon I'm into that With like tight skirt and like a and like a puffy jacket Like I mean that's like Rio my little I don't ever feel good in tight dresses I feel like look at me I'm in a fucking prairie dress and sneakers

Like I can't I Zoe really does have this weird thing where her peak aesthetic is just Amish Like no or I'll be like hey She'll be like, turtleneck, bonnet, other bonnet in the back, bonnet in the pocket. Full, full length. Lawyer. We go, like, people like, people like, want to go to the club and I like, she's holding a basket and like a full suit and briefcase.

So he only has two aesthetics. Amish or corporate defense lawyer. Who's more bossy? Oh, Maddie. Maddie. I am going to respectfully disagree on that and say, though. Are bossy. a hundred percent

bossy you're also really bossy I'm really bossy with men I'm really bossy across the board I'm sorry I'm gonna have to call you out bossy with your boyfriend's men or just men in general

all men in general like I'm very bossy in general period I'm disagreeing with you I just it's like a it's like a yeah I should work on it I disagree okay who is better at making decisions Maddie.

Me. I'm super indecisive. I'm very decisive. Very opinionated, but very indecisive and she's very decisive. Very decisive. Who's the better secret keeper? Me. Oh, you can't keep a secret.

I can keep a secret, but she's a fucking Scorpio. So she is just like a, it's under lock and key. You tell me something. I will never, ever, ever repeat it. I'm kind of like that too. What about this? Who has more secrets? Clearly.

Do you think you have more secrets or do you have more secrets? Based on your guys. Not between each other. I'm saying just in general. I think I keep secrets even from myself. So maybe I don't even know what I've done. It's so crazy. It's very meta.

Who's messier? I'm messier, but I'm actually very clean. It's just that Maddie is, is, is, is, is OCD. Yeah, but you're OCD about different stuff. So I, so I'm technically cleaner, but we're OCD about different stuff. Zoe needs to like touch the doorknob. She thinks all her candles are on in her house. She'll text me 30 minutes later and go,

can you go to my house and make sure I didn't burn the house down? I thought I left all my candles on. Okay. Who is more laid back? We're both really fucking uptight. Okay. Sorry. Great.

Who's better at Instagram captions? Okay. It used to be Maddie and now it's me. It used to be Maddie. Okay. Because Zoe, my Instagram is serious and Zoe's Instagram is not. I shoot a lot of film and so I don't try to be also funny with the captions. I'm just posting the film.

that I shoot but Zoe is like I'm trying to be funny and likable with all of her captions so it's like wait here's the thing like you're looking at our Instagram now I'm like I'm gonna make sure I'm not going to be late Oliver clearly is better at his Instagram captions than I am because he's hilarious but like I go through phases where I'm really like on it in terms of my captions and on it in terms of posting and other times where I'm like I just can't be bothered like I just want to like put the picture out and like do an emoji I do that yeah that's perfectly fine I'm freeing when you do no cap I know fuck you I don't give up you're allowed to do you're allowed to do that you're allowed to give a fuck about hashtag you know what I'm going to do

now I'm just going to write no cap yeah what that means though no cap means no lie that's what I just sat out what does that mean like no cap that means like I'm not lying that's like a thing oh cool that could work who's funnier so he's going to say herself I am funnier than you No, I am funnier than you I'm so neurotic I'm way more apt to approach something in like a you know

the Larry David way although I will say I just was having a really long conversation with someone about this where I was like I don't understand so for me like people watch Curbier enthusiasm and like really love it and enjoy it and I'm like for me it stresses me out

because I'm like that's just dad like freaking out about our dad freaking out about something that's so funny right but so to me i don't find a neurotic old jew like hilarious i find it like oh god this is why i am the way that i am so i just think it's really interesting that the show appeals to so many people like so many people think he's hilarious whereas like i watch it and i'm like having a mental breakdown but it's that Seinfeld model it's taking the mundane it's taking that sort of thing that you think about every day in life and he exposes it like why are we doing this

Why is the soup? Like, why don't you put a napkin on the table? You've got to put the utensils on the napkin. Okay, who's better at following rules? Neither of us. Okay, nobody follows rules. Who wins in a fight? Wow.

That's the thing that we're talking about. It's David and Goliath. It's David and Goliath. You both lose. Separately, we both win. But together, we both lose. Separately, we both win. Separately, we both lose the.

No, separately we both lose the, no, separately we both. win the fight together we both lose the fight yeah it's like fire with fire with the two of us so separately we win together we lose yeah that's the slow that's our joint autobiography so i'm moving out and we're not going to be living next to each other and no mass we're gonna take it no mass um okay what advice would you give sisters that go at it a lot or that sometimes have moments where they're you know or sisters that are estranged from each other my motto is that my priority my number one relationship in my life forever no matter what is my sister that's it so no matter how hard or how mad or how weird things get like I'm gone I need to work through this with you because you are

my life partner no matter what dude or whatever like friend anything job whatever you're the priority and my relationship with you is the priority because that's that that's why we need to go to therapy. No, but I mean that. I think that it's such a blessing that, you know, that we're given a life. You get your person. You get your person because I think I think I heard this. Maybe you guys were saying this on one of your podcasts where it's like you only one other

person knows what it was like to grow up in the house or to grow up with the circumstances surrounding your parents or the texture or the color or the culture of how you grew up in that house. So only the two of you are really going to find certain stuff funny. Only the two of you are really going to find certain stuff sad. Like it's that weird, specific tether. So, yeah, I mean, it is, I think it's the most important relationship in my life for sure. But the advice that I would give to people who are like really, really fighting is I would

say look at the dynamic with your parents. Like who, like, because if I think sometimes if you remove what's going on with your parents with the two of you, then you can get to it just between you both. but sometimes you don't realize you're locked in like a dynamic that may or may not be healthy with with the parents. And you don't realize it because it's the way it's always been. But I would say like look at that first and then try to kind of love that. That's good. Okay. We also ask this to to every single, everybody. So this one is the one that makes us not special, but the last one we were special. Yes. That was very, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That was the first time.

That's how I translated. Wow, wow, wow. You're very special. Wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, cool. So it's a two-parter. What would you like to take from your sister to alleviate something from her life? And then something that you would alleviate to make her. Something that you would take away. And then on the flip side of that, what would you want to take from her for yourself that you wish you had?

That's a fascinating question. Zoe I gotta go I'm late no no it's not that this is a really really hard question that's a deep question

that's not like a fluffy cutesy question yeah but you can go fluffy with it you can do whatever you want I would give I would take from Oliver his ability to be like you know his

his like fuck it mentality and you know being like his sense of humor and his self-deprecate his ability to like make people laugh and all that you mean you want that yeah that'd be something that i wish i had more of his sort of like fuck it i would take i would take her sort of fearless

just sort of you know whatever's in my way i'll plow through it i'll get through it i'll get over it i'll i'll make it better i'm i'm fearless i would take if i could steal something from your playbook i would steal your ability to know your ability to not dwell. I mean, I think there's some things that's really stick with you and you dwell on them. But like, for the most part, you just have a really amazing ability to be like, fuck it next. Moving on. Like, I don't have the same thing. I have to write a movie about everything because I can't stop with the like, let's get into all the details and the minutia of. I mean, it's what makes me who I am. But I envy so much the ability to just be like, we're just going to like, it's another chapter.

like let's let's continue forward that I do not really have that I wish I did I would take from I can't finish a sentence like I can't construct one sentence of that like a sound I'm like like I can't I can't speak articulate true articulate is the word you're looking for wait a minute you love to have the articulation and you know what actually more than that what's deeper than that is I would like to feel worthy of people's time and worthy of people's attention in that way. I think that if I'm not doing a dog and pony show, then people aren't going to pay attention. So I either say something funny or flippant or whatever just so that I can or chop it all together. I don't. And it's super, you think about things before you say them in a way

that I don't that I'm super envious of. I'm very smart. And you're very smart. I just don't string words together in the way that you do. And I wish I did. you know what I think it is and this is the thing that I wish I could alleviate for you or remove is I think there's a core belief that what you think about the world around you like doesn't like that it that it doesn't hold enough weight or as much weight as maybe what somebody else thinks about the world around them like that's why I think you maybe do the dog and pony show because you're like I want to add accessories to this I want to decorate it and I think there's like a fear that if you just delivered really what you thought without ornamentation

without the spectacle that it might not be like enough but it it is obviously because you're so so smart and so interested in the world around you ask so many questions you're so curious you want to know all the layers all the things but I think that's what it might be like a core that without all this other stuff around it, it's not enough, I think. Probably because I don't feel like I'm enough. Maybe. I think that's kind of a common theme for a lot of people.

Oh, yeah. I'm raising my hand. I think everybody has that. Of course. I think it's like a natural. Honestly, a human thing. I mean, you think of all the time, like what person has not gone to therapy

who's realized that they feel like they're not enough? Right. You know what I mean? Like at some point, whether it's culturally a society the community our parents we all have this collective thing of like maybe we're not worth what this is or you know we can do that comes religion which we didn't even talk about which is what we don't feel like we're not no it is what would you I think I think and this is we talk about this a lot you see people in a really really

interesting, evolved way, and you examine them and you sometimes judge them. And it's because you judge yourself so harshly. And if I could take one thing away, it would be to not judge yourself so harshly because you're really fucking awesome. Like my favorite person in the world. But you judge yourself so harshly and also in turn judge other people pretty harshly. And I know you're working on that so much. And I'm so proud of you. you and you really you want to alleviate yourself of this and that that is really cool. I think that's the hardest thing about growing up is like I was saying to someone the other day and then I promise I'll shut up. There's like there's like awareness and there is willingness

and like a river hath runneth through them like in order to get from the banks of awareness to the banks of willingness that's so funny there is a journey like you have to build the bridge across that river and it's like a painful bridge right like because you can have all the self-awareness in the world of like i know i do that thing that's self-destructive i know i've got this issue i know i got that thing but the willingness to do something about it or to change your behavior or to adjust is like a whole other ball of wax yeah so i think they're very separate and i think what stops people is going across from like one to the other it's really interesting I like that I'm like I live for a fucking metaphor kids it's good I've gotten that from this

live for a matter there's a few of them in here we got the sweater we got the river we got it all so before we leave what are you guys working on now oh god I have all these movies that I've written that I'm trying to get made so it's just like a slog is there one in particular that you're just like one day this shit's going to get done I think all of them have are going to have their journey but i did it i did adapt that i'm supposed to direct a new york times bestseller it was a young adult novel called crank that was like huge when i was in high school um that i is a lot about addiction and i've had a really interesting journey with that growing up around it and so i feel like i've got a really uh a glance on it that i think is cool and interesting

so that book is like really beloved so i feel like if i can get that one one off the ground. I think people will be excited about it. Oh, fun. Yay, good. And you? Yeah, I have a movie called Buffalo. It's a movie that I produced.

Did you shoot it in Buffalo? No, I shot it in Toronto. But I bought all the outfits from thrift stores in Buffalo. And I'm very proud of it. I love it. It's super wacky and wild and high octane. And I sweat a lot while shooting it because I was wearing polyester suits. And that's what you want to do.

And what is it about? Watch it. Logline. How's up for a pitch? It's about a girl who grows up in Buffalo, New York. which is one of the main jobs in Buffalo they're all debt collectors and she was tortured and destroyed

by debt collectors growing up so she became obsessed with money and kind of has all these side hustles and as a result one of them goes off the rails she goes to jail, gets out the only job she can get as as a debt collector so she becomes the thing that destroyed her

entire existence to begin with but she's very like brash super like no bones about it comedy which I think it's fun because I think sometimes people are too afraid to be like it's a comedy Like, they want to be, like, cynical and, like, sardonic about it. And I just feel like it's, like, out there funny.

Love it. Well. Thank you, girl. You guys are so fun. That was awesome. Thank you for having us. All right. Love you guys.

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