Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Making Memories with Macaulay Culkin

Episode Date: March 31, 2025

Kate and Oliver catch up with Macaulay Culkin who happens to be engaged to Kate's BFF Brenda Song.The notoriously private actor answers it all!Where does he stand with his estranged dad?Does he get along with his siblings?And is Macaulay Culkin really retired? Or is he just...tired?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Visit apple.com forward slash Reese Apple Books to find out more. more. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no.

Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. That's good. Oliver, I'm excited. For what? For Macaulay Culkin. Yeah, let's bring him in. Allie Mack, obviously, is married to Brenda

song who plays Allie on our show Running Point and is like the greatest ever. Running Point. I've been going over. this with her for years now even though the show's only been on everyone and even brenda we're calling him at running point and it's not you're not you can't emphasize running because running you're you're you're running point i was wondering where you're going there i was like oh you're taking the point it's basketball no you're running point you're running point brand did i about it you're running point we are we are running

we're running point it's the show about shooty hoops yes yeah right yeah it's not running point meaning like I'm running. It's like, no, I'm running point. Like, it's a point guard. I'm the, I'm the tip of the spear. Romantics, I swear. But yes, but I do understand your point. Now we have all kinds of connections to Mac,

but our biggest connection to Mac was Mac was in school with our brother, Boston, in New York. That's right. And way back in the day. It was eighth grade. I think it was only for one year. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I remember Boston always like just. he was like couldn't believe he was in school was what school was wasn't it school for like high performing artists or something yeah it was a professional children in school uh so it was for pretty much kids who had like day jobs essentially it was a lot of the julyard musicians a lot of school of american ballet ballet dancers wait you grew up in in new york yeah i'm born and raised there okay seven siblings uh seven uh i'm third of seven so six siblings yeah holy shit Yeah, yeah. I have four brothers. Yeah, so. So, yeah, it's, uh, we're raising two boys over here.

And yeah, when I was a little worried that like, like, you know, like that kind of didn't really like Carson at first and this and that. I go, honey, don't worry about it. Like, you know, take it for me, I have twins of brothers. It's going to be fine. Like in the end. Once the little one starts walking and talking and able to play and stuff like that, you know, like, yeah, then they're going to be just fine. And now they're their best buds. Yeah, of course, you have an amazing insight into all that. And you never know how it's all going to roll out either. You know, I mean, you especially, having. that many siblings you did there are probably so many different relationship dynamics absolutely yes yes yeah yeah uh yeah you know and sometimes like one of my siblings i remember we didn't speak for about uh this is those adults uh for like eight months over a game of monopoly are you shitting you know and we're in our 20s you know what i mean just like you're not mad

about the so the wording of the rules you know that yeah we're just like you know i like you know like yeah let's just say that's the last time i play monopoly with them yeah yeah wait so you so you how so there's four boys three girls uh no uh no five boys i'm a four brothers plus me is five oh five boys two girls yes yeah and where are you in the i'm the third you're the third and above you is all boys uh no no it's i have brother and sister and then uh karen's right below me so and we're all uh we're all pretty much almost exactly two years apart uh my older brother and sister they They're actually born in the exact same day, two years apart. So, yeah, there's seven kids and six birthdays.

Wow. That's, that's wild. Well, actually, I can tell you the odds. It's one to 365.4. Yes, 0.4.25, yes. Exactly. So, so, so your mom must have started young. Yeah, she started pretty young.

Yeah, let's see. By the time, like, yeah, I think I was like, I think she had me when she was about 25. and so she probably started when she's about 21. Wow. Every two years. It's like, you know, they're exactly two years apart on two years, two months. My Karen's two years, one month. You know, my sister's two years, two months.

Like, pretty much, I think they kept on doing it around Christmas time. It was cold and she had nothing better to do in New York City. Right. It's just like, yes, they all were kind of around the same time, about nine months after, you know, nine months after it was cold. How did your, how did your parents raise you with that many children, meaning was it a lot of like hey you know what you're going to have to take care of yourself you know there's definitely a lot of that yeah it was definitely a little bit kind of like all right kids

go get this next one to take care of so yeah we were a bit a bit feral i would say yeah especially in the city right because you were able to just walk you just cruise around the city right i mean yeah yeah and yeah and back then even it's kind of like yeah like you know like i'm six years old and i'm walking 10 blocks to school by myself like i would never let a six year old walk 10 blocks in New York City, never in a million years. That's so crazy. Isn't it amazing what we did, you know, or what we were allowed to do or was just normal that we wouldn't do now?

No. Yeah. It was just the style of the time. Back in my day, you know, we're in that place in our lives. You know, yeah, yeah. I wish it was still like that. Well, it's the more we know, the more fear we have. I mean, the truth is, I think, you know, at least L.A. is less, it's more safe than it's

ever been, but we have more fear than we've ever had, you know. because everything is so right here we see it we have access we have so much true crime to watch and listen to you and stuff like that

it gets it gets there it gets there of course it just it yeah it cuts you like a paper cut you're just like next thing you're just covering

in paper cuts and now you're just like I'm going to avoid paper all together yeah yeah yeah yeah how did your

was your were your parents artists um no no my mom was a telephone operator at night and my father was a sacristee in a church.

So he's pretty much, it's a way of saying janitor. But he helped set up mass and things like that as well as maintaining the church. And so that's what we did. That's where we were able to go to Catholic school for free pretty much. And how did you, so did you all lived together all seven kids in New York City? In a one bedroom apartment, yeah. So they were, they were stacking us in bunk beds and stuff like that.

Like, you know, yeah, like we were like a can of sardines, nine people. in a one bedroom apartment, you know, you know. Was it hard to feed all you guys? I mean, this must have been challenging. Yeah, yeah. We didn't always have, we didn't always have, we were, we were definitely a food poor. The lights weren't always on. The heat wasn't always on, you know, things like that.

Like, you know, sometimes we didn't have the gas on. It was, you know, it was definitely, we were, we were struggling there for a long time. And was religion, was religion a big part? No, we weren't religious, but, you know, we did get baptized and did, I did do my first communion. I've done a couple sacraments. But yeah, but that's also, a lot of them just kind of keep it up appearances, you know, for the school.

You're really a religious family, you know, yeah. And were there artists in your family? I know you and your brother, but was it, was just something that permeated? No, not really. Listen, I just had a lot of energy, was what it was. And it was actually my

father was taking up my older brother and sister to go take some like headshots like in the park or something like that. And my mom, I think just because whatever, I think she wanted to break because she was probably taking care of like three other kids. She was like, just take Mac with you. Just take them. And so, uh, and then, uh, Nixie, you know, uh, I literally like just, I booked the first thing I went out for, I booked the second thing I went out for and the third thing and this and that. And then, you know, Nixie know, I'm doing, um, because you're the cutest baby ever.

Oh, thank you. You were so cute. Wait, wait, wait, whoa, before we get into how cute he is, still, by the way, how cute I was. Still, no. I'm talking about his baby face. No, but so you booked the things that you got, but was it your mom, you know, who said, well, we're going to put you into this world

or did you have desires to do it? No, no. I mean, I said, it kind of just started happening a little bit. The Domino's felt pretty fast. And like I said, we were, you know, we didn't really have a lot of money. And all of a sudden, I can start bringing some money. So then, you know, then kind of became an opportunity.

And so then my father kind of just grabbed the reins and it was kind of like, you know, go, go, go. There we go. But, you know, like I said, early on, like I did some studio theater. the ensemble studio theater in New York. And it's like, you know, next to you know, I'm getting a glowing review in the New York Times. And so it's kind of just like things like that.

So it's kind of like they tried to like just kept on just doing it and doing it. So I pretty much just did like a lot of studio theater. I did like one or two commercials, but it was like literally just straight into movies. And then I started booking and booking and booking. And then, you know, like within about within the first two years, I'm working with, you know, John Hughes and John Candy and stuff like that. And then it just like off to the races looking at.

Wow. And for me like that like, for me like it all kind of made like that made like that made sense. to me. It's like, you know, you start small and you build and you build and it's like, yeah, and then you become a big star. Yeah. Duh, that's the, that's the hero's journey. You know, that makes sense for my, you know, that's what Luke Skywalker does, you know. Right, right. The logic makes sense to a, to a six, seven, eight year old, that kind of yeah. What was your first movie? It was called Rocket Gibraltar. It's actually, I think it's a Bert Lancaster, I think it might even be his last movie. And, but it was a lot of New York

theater actors at the time. So, you know, I was doing a lot of studio theater at the time. It was like Bill Pullman, Kevin Spacey, Patricia Clarkson, stuff like that, but all, like, unknown. This is like, you're talking like 1986, you know, so it's, we're all like, you know, it's unknowns. And she's about, like, a family reunion kind of thing. You know, yeah, it's cute. It's cute. It's, I actually showed some of it to Brenda during the pandemic.

She was like, oh, my God, because I'm sick, so I'm even cute. And it just blew her mind. And I think she's sitting there because I think she was pregnant at the time, too. So she's, like, rubbing her belly going, oh, I don't work as cute too. And I'm like, of course, it's going to be cute. Oh, my God. Wow. So then how long had you been working before you booked home alone?

I started doing stuff when I was six. I started doing home alone when I was nine. So about three years, you know. And at that point, that was probably about my sixth or seventh movie. Like, I was doing like two movies a year, you know, plus also. I was also dancing ballet professionally, too. I went to the School of American Ballet, SAB. So I would do a season there.

And then, well, I would do season there and then I go off and do Uncle Buck. And then I come back and do another season there and I go off and do Home Alone, you know, like things like that. So like, so like Uncle Buck was in theaters and I was doing ballet on Lincoln Center. Like, you know, like that kind of thing. Like, you know, it was just, it was just that, you know, I mean, I enjoyed dancing. I was good at it. But it was also the parts and the money was coming in fast on the other side.

So, you know, we had to pretty much drop that. Well, with the money situation and your parents and, you know, you being sort of the cash cow, How did that work? Was it pretty easy-peasy? I mean... I'm just a kid and I do the work. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I wasn't...

You know, those kind of dynamics. But you found yourself coming out of sort of poverty and you're eating regularly and shit is expanding, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, of course. It's very funny. I mean, you know, one year I'm eating out of cans, so the next thing I know, you know,

we're in a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Like, you know, it's a kid. But again, that's kind of... You don't know any better. Like, you know, you have to remember you're a kid, so you don't really have a perspective on these kind of things. Right. You know, it's like, yeah, it's like, you know, of course, when you're older, you can kind of contextualize it.

Is this where my money's going, dad? Yes, exactly. Yeah, but, but did you know, but did you know, but did you know, the studio's paying for those? Right, but did you know, not that you were the source of this. You're not that, you know, did you know, yeah, I did. But also like, uh, uh, but there was no pressure there. It was like, I'm, I'm the guy who's doing it, but I don't know, whatever. Not until later, not until later.

Again, that's when you start kind of getting, getting older, having more perspective and things like that. But also, like, you know, they were very good about, like, not telling me how much I was making. And so, you know, again, it's not like, they didn't want me going to school going like, hey, guys, I've just made a million dollars. Like, you know, they, like, you know, they were very good about kind of trying to keep that kind of aside. I mean, it really wasn't until I was 18. I turned 18. And I call it the, the piece of paper, the piece of paper meeting. So I sit down with my business manager and he, like, literally just slides a piece of paper, like, like, the downside, But, you know, you said, down and slides across the table.

And just that here's a breakdown of everything. And that was the first time I actually got a perspective of how much I had earned over the years. Yeah. It was very funny. My feeling was very funny. It was just a, I felt like some kid worked really, really hard. Ed, I inherited his money. Like, I was kind of disassociated from it at that point.

Interesting. Also, at that point, I had quit. I'd been quit for about four or five years at that point. So, like, yeah, I was just kind of living life. I just went to high school and stuff like that. Like, I was just trying to, you know, so again, so I was very disassociated from that money kind of thing. I almost had a weird survivor's guilt about it,

even though it's my money. Like, it was very strange. That's fascinating because it's like, you know, I would assume, I mean, it was so huge. And I know this sounds maybe weird, but I think it's similar. Like, remember when Leo did Titanic

and he was just exploded? Yeah. You know, I think that was, I would say just because I'm, you're around your age, that that was you and home alone it was so huge it was quite a big deal

I mean you're saying it was it was a big deal it was the number one movie for 13 weeks wow yeah it's like you know like you're like you're like the big movies now only get two weeks

yeah yeah and it must have been so incredibly like to be that age and did not really have the understanding of like fame it must have have been a bit jarring?

Yeah, it was a bit jarring, but at the same time, again, it was a little bit of like, yeah, of course, like, you know, I'm doing movies, so eventually I'm going to be a movie star. Yeah, yeah. There was a little bit of that kind of simplistic logic. Yeah, it was a simplistic kind of nine-year-old, 10-year-old, kind of just like looking and go, yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, this is what happens to everybody, you know, like, you know, who really does it, you know, who tries and stuff like that. It's like, no, I mean, I was very lucky.

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Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Were you humble or was there a part of you because you did have this sort of expectation of this is the natural progression. We were like, yeah, fuck, yeah, I'm king shit right now. No, no, no, I definitely, I definitely wasn't like braggadocious or anything like that.

But I always had an inherent copiness to it. I mean, I think that's kind of why I, you know, I was able to do a lot of things like that. Like that's some of the appeal was that I was kind of this very confident kid. You know, like, yeah, like, you know, even borderline copy. But, but I never like went to school and like flaunted that kind of stuff. And it's like, oh, my movie start. if anything it was everyone else that was being weird of course like you know yeah like you know like i remember like boston it was fine bus was fine i just remember i was in catholic school

and i was like this kid james i we never hung out never talked or anything like that like you know and there's a this is like a catholic schools there's like 40 kids and like there's like a cattle car of kids and everything but he um all of a sudden one day he's like hey uh can i walk you home to school from school or like uh yeah sure james and so we're walking And then he just starts asking me questions about like, so how do you get an agent? And, you know, like, so how did you do this? And I was like, oh, okay, you're being weird about this. All right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, like, yeah. Oh, now we're friends. You know, because you want me to tell you how to get an agent. Like you're being weird. Sure, of course.

I'm sure it sharpened you though, you know, just as far as just the human condition goes and how you're, how you perceive people because you've had, you've had to sort of weed out the truth, the real people, the authentics, and then the opportunities. People say, oh, you have an old soul. I said, I don't have an old soul. My soul is just old. Right. Like, it's been aged.

Yeah, yeah. Life has done it, really. Yeah, yeah. I wonder, like, did you feel, because, like, you said, you kind of quit. You kind of, like, whoa. Well, let's start with this. How were your siblings with your stardom so young? Like, did it affect your, you?

Did it affect your relationships with them in any way? Yeah, to a certain extent, yeah. I mean, my older brother was always, like, protective of me and stuff. But, you know, it was tricky because, again, I was kind of away, like, a lot. I was away almost, like, half the year. And so it was tricky. Like, you know, this happened also, like, even with, like, school, even with schoolmates, but mostly with my family, I felt it the most was I'd be gone for, like, you know,

three or four months or something like that. And I'd come back and they would have, like, all new kind of, like, inside jokes and kind of like new things they were into and sometimes they weren't necessarily keen to to plug me into that kind of stuff you know like oh this is our stuff that we're doing over here like you know oh you missed it you should have been there like you know that kind of stuff so um that kind of say you know but again that's kind of like you know of course you know seven and eight year olds are not going to be sensitive to those kind of feelings you know and i don't have the um actual or emotional vocabulary to to engage in that kind of

way either. So. That's so funny. I had that. I never thought of that like that. Like I, because we, up until middle school, we would go with our mom.

And then we were back and forth between Colorado and Los Angeles. So like I, maybe Oliver didn't, but I always felt like that a little bit too. Like I'd come back and I felt just on the outside, you know, and I wasn't,

you know, didn't have the investment. of that connection. And I don't blame them for not, like they have their thing that they are there. I blame them. I blame all of them.

But at the same time, it was also a little weird. You know, well, yeah, I mean, look, there's always competition

amongst siblings, whether it be healthy or unhealthy. There, you know, there is that, there is envy, there is jealousy.

And I, and especially at that age. Oh, you're talking about siblings. I was talking about school. Oh, sorry. I mean,

but I was like, it's a similar kind of thing, No, like exactly. I'm away and then I come back and everyone's watching the show that I haven't even even heard of, you know, that kind of thing. But specifically with their siblings, it's like, all right, well, he's got all that shit. We have this and this is our thing, you know. Yeah, I don't think it was that kind of pettiness.

I think it was just, I mean, Oliver, you made it sound so terrible. Well, you made it sound petty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's get your siblings on and I feel like I might be proven right, you know. Yeah, yeah. Well, they're all, they're all in the East. coast right now. I'm the only west coaster. I'm actually the only one who's ever really lived outside of New York. Everyone else is a New Yorker. Yeah, yeah. And I'm the one like, oh, like, you know, I lived in,

you know, I've lived out here. This is my second stint living out here. Yeah. I lived in London for a year. I lived in Paris for five years. Like, I'm always like, you know, I'm, you know, at one point I was just kind of a tramp home was where my boots were, you know, like that kind of thing. Where's your favorite? I love living here now. I mean, of course, listen, I have a beautiful home, but it's not about the home. inside of it. And you know, like Brenda and the boys and all this is the best,

right, you know. But outside of that, honestly, I loved Paris. Like, Paris was great. Yeah.

Like, yeah, like, yeah, I had a really great flat there. So what made you decide to just? Why'd you quit? Oh,

I was tired, man. I was so tired. And the thing is, is that I, I remember when I was probably about 11 or 12. I remember talking to my father and I said, I'm getting tired. Like,

I think I need a break. And he goes, yeah, yeah, I'll look into it. And the next thing I was in the next thing. the next thing. I was like, oh, I'm stuck. Now I'm stuck before. And this thing, I can even see like in my performances and just my general air and stuff like that. Like it was just like, it was just

kind of, I didn't, I didn't really, I felt trapped. So now I, it started feeling a job and a chore was before it was fun. And I felt natural and things like that. And so it kind of, I kind of took the wind out of my sales. And so when I turned to 14, my dad and my mom were having a thing. They kind of split out. And I said, great, I quit because now he's out of the picture. I'm not, great, I quit. I said, I, you know, I hope you guys had a good time. I hope, I hope you guys all made as much money as you possibly could because there's no more coming from me.

And that was it. I took, I started taking, you know, I started taking ownership of myself. And so, yeah, that's pretty much what I did. And, you know, and I just, I was like, everyone kept on saying, oh, you know, you're 14 going on 40. And I go, no, I want to be 14 going on 15. That's what I wanted to. And so that's what I did. So, you know, I went to high school.

and, you know, I got married. Like, you know, I did all kinds of like things, you know, yeah. And it was, uh, it was lovely. And then all of a sudden, I kind of started getting a bit of an inch. And so I just got to just dip my toe back in the water. And I did a really wonderful play in London. Uh, and did West End for about a year. And then, um, and then, um, and then, uh, yeah, and then.

How long ago was this? When, when did that it start to sort of present? This is, about 2000s, about 25 years ago. Okay. Yeah. But also, I, I've, I've quit many times since then, too. And it actually technically, I'm in a state of constant retirement.

So I'm retired. Yeah, okay, good. Then I book a gig and I retire and I do that gig and as soon as that gig's over, I retire again. So it's a good philosophy because it's a great mentality. Yeah. Because it's like, yeah, so there's no sweat on me. Yeah, no pressure. Oh, I need this career kind of thing.

And also I treat every gig, like it's the last gig I'm ever going to do because I'm going to retire. I'm going to do that from now on. Yeah, yeah. It's a good. this. It's a good headspace to be in because there you're not, you're not stressing, you're not searching, you're not anticipating. It's like, no, I've retired. Great. And if something comes

off. It's also it's flattering to the next project because I, because I, you know, they, I was like, oh, you got me at a retirement to do this. Right. Exactly. It's also, it also has a kind of a, like, it's a good way of thinking for an industry that's just so tumultuous

and unpredictable. Yeah, ingenuous, you know, yeah. Yeah, that you're like, instead of being like, oh, I'm so reliant on this. It's like, I'm never reliant on. I'm never going to work again. Oh, no. I've been retired my whole life. When you quit, and you're still at home.

So it's not like you quit, you're emancipated, and you're living on your own, but you're like, sorry, guys, I'm doing my own fucking thing. I'm 14. This is my choice now. Was there ever any animosity or any sort of, what are you doing? Like, we need you, or were your parents just kind of like, Hey, great. No, we were, we were, we were pretty well set. Also, my parents were kind of going through.

Right. Yeah. Going through like, it wasn't like a divorce because they weren't married, but it was kind of a custody trial kind of thing. So they were, they were busy doing that. They're all tangled up with each other. You know, yeah, they're too busy fighting each other to, you know, go, go after me, really. And yeah, honestly, there was also there was like, yeah, I wasn't like emancipated.

So like, yeah, but also, like I said, I had a certain amount of autonomy. Yeah. Like, they're like, oh. you're going to do this movie. At that point, I go, no, fuck you. What are you going to do? Yeah. Like, yeah, like, yeah, you know, I remember it was during the whole custody thing,

I wanted nothing to do with my fucking father. Like, he was just the worst. And the judge was like, well, you have to, you know, you have to do visitations with him. And essentially, so I didn't do this. I didn't say to the judge. I was smart. I was a smart ass, but I wasn't that much of a smart ass.

But I told my lawyer, I said, yeah, I'm not doing that. He's like, well, you know, you'll be into content of court and this and that. I go, okay, well, how about this? I dare the judge put me in jail for not wanting to visit his abusive father. And I also, actually, I'm going to double down on that. I double dare him to arrest the most famous kid in the world. Yeah, yeah. And I never played that card, you know, but that was the one time I kind of played that card.

Of course. And it's like, yeah, next thing you know, they're like, what are you going to do? So it's one of the same thing. It's like, oh, they try to force me and go back to work. I'm like, no. What if I said no? Yeah. You know, because I can really embarrass you guys.

So I'm just assuming that you don't talk to your dad. No, I haven't spoken to him in what would it be, about 30-something years? Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, he deserves it, too. He's a man who has, he had seven kids, and now he has four grandkids, and none of them want anything to do with him. Wow. And, you know, so I would know as a man myself, that I would know that, I fucked up.

I must have done something wrong. There's a common denominator. I have more than an inkling that he does not feel that way. Right. Like we're wrong and he's right. He's one of those kind of like narcissistic, lazy people. So it's kind of like, yeah. But also me and him were always button heads.

Like I said, he was bad man. And I just always knew, because I would take, I would take his weapons and stuff like that. But it was, I knew the whole time I was sitting there going, oh, I'm going to win at the end. I just, I just sit tight, I'll take the weapons, you know, but I know at some point, like, I'm going to have that slip of paper meeting, and I'm going to just, I'm just going to also outlast him, you know, like, I'm just going to win. Do you even know if he's alive? As far as I know, he's alive. Yeah. And this is all siblings, all siblings, every one of them.

No one has any contact. As far as I know, I think my older brother had some, had some contact with him at one point, but I think that turns sour pretty fast again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Holy shit. Well, at least you guys were all here. He gave you all life. And that's, that's, you know what I mean. It's one of my earliest memories of him was when I grew up, this is how I'm not going to be with my kids. Yep. And now that I got kids in my own. It's like, you know, it makes me even more kind of like, you know, it kicks up some dust, you know, and I kind of go, you know, like, I can't believe he was like that. You know, he had all these lovely kids. It's crazy. Isn't it crazy? And talented kids too. Like these, you know, like, you know, like, and I think is he had a certain amount of resentment. that meant towards me, I think, is what it was. It's because he wanted to be an actor, and he kind of did some stuff.

He never really got as far as, like, Horace on Broadway, you know, and then he did some ballet, too, and all this kind of stuff. And so then, you know, then all of a sudden he has this kid that, like, that didn't look anything like him. To be honest, I look a lot like my mother. I don't look like her. And I right out of the bat just was, like, I instantly got, like, the lead stuff in the ballet company. I instantly booked all these things like that. And I think he, I think he, I think he resented me for that. Yeah.

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Listen to Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Isn't it amazing, though, how you can go one of a lot, two ways, which is you are unconsciously following these patterns or imitating these patterns that your father, you know, laid upon you, or you rail against them. Well, he laid them out and I just did them. Well, you made the choice. I was good at them, you know, that's all. I'm saying, I'm saying, you made the choice to say, I'm never going to be like my fucking dad, you know. Yeah, it's one of my earliest memories, you know, was kind of, because he, like I said, he was a son of a bitch, you know,

he was a, he was just, he was bad to his kids. He was bad to his life. He was a bad. He was the worst person I've ever known in my entire life, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. I know. I know it's like an old, I always say, you know, these things are 40-year-old problems, right? Like, you've dealt with them for so long and, but it's still just like when you hear that, you hear that stuff, it's just never, it always just for me as someone who can empathize differently, but, you know, in my, in a different way, but, um, uh, I just, it just sucks. Yeah. No. It's super sucks, you know, yeah. It sucks, but it is what it is.

It makes me the man I am today. Yeah, exactly. I wouldn't be the man. I wouldn't be the father I am today, you know, if it wasn't for my experiences. You know, so, you know, like, yeah, listen, like, you know, and again, at the end of the day, I was like, I'm going to win. And here I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on your show, so clearly I'm a winner.

Is everybody, but did all the siblings have such a healthy experience? I mean, you obviously, you know, have a great head or behind. You know, I took a big brunt of it because it was a lot of time when it was just when I was on the road doing, things. It was just me and him. So I was kind of locked in a room with a crazy person for like a good chunks of time. I really took the brunt of it for the family. But, you know, listen, they got, they got their licks too. And, you know, like I said, he was a bad guy just across the board. Yeah, yeah. And what about mom? What about mom? Well, you know, she, she, uh, she eventually got married. She got married about, like about, maybe about 15 years ago. She's living on a ranch in

Montana, a horse. She's a rancher's wife, but a horse ranch. Oh, great. And yeah, because she's originally for North Dakota. So she's kind of going, you know, going back to the planes and, you know, just that's how she's kind of living on her twilight years kind of thing. You know, she just took the boys out there to go see her and stuff, you know. Yeah, so it was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I was like, did you have a good time? They're like, yeah, it was like this, because they were old enough to start

because Brenda's mom lives with us. So they have a grandma, they're like on the day to day. So they started asking about my mom. So I was like, you know, let's get on a plane and go over there. So they were like, it was good, you know, it was good to see your, you know, Papa's mama. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. Do you have a good time? They go, it was boring.

Like you guys, you guys get to pet a horse. And they're like, yep, that's about the only thing we did. It's like, yeah, you're right. That's life of Montana. Just get pet a horse. And then you get it. That's all you got. Yeah, yeah.

You know, but sometimes, you know, I remember once in she was kind of moaning about her time out there because, you know, she didn't enjoy New York City. But she was like, oh, she goes, there's something about Montana. I was like, oh, what, what's bothering you? She's like, well, you know, like, you know, I get up in the morning and then, like, you know, I put on the clothes. And then, you know, I get in the car and I drive the grocery store and I get my stuff. I get online. I pay for everything.

I take it home and I put my groceries away. And she's like so tedious. I go, Ma, you do that in New York. Like, I don't know. Like, is there, I was waiting for the turn. So I think she just kind of gets, I think she gets itchy feet every once in a while, you know, that kind of thing. But that's kind of like, like, that happens in New York, too. What are you talking to?

Except, except minus the car. part, I guess. You know, yeah. Is your, what are all your other siblings doing? We know that Kieran just won an Oscar, which is amazing. Yeah, yeah. Between Kieran and I, we had one Oscar. It's amazing, yeah. We also have an Emmy, a Globe, a BAFTA, Critics of the SAG, you know, yeah. Yeah, Rory, Rory acts. He works pretty consistently. He does a lot of, like, just weird indie things and stuff like that. He does a lot of weird, kooky things. I feel like I just saw him in something.

He works more than me and Karen combined. Like he does a lot of projects every year. Like, yeah, he's always putting stuff out there. He was just, like he did that movie Mayhem, I think it was called. So like that, that Swedish band with like, you know, that golf band. Yeah. The guitarist killed the killer. It killed me.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Let's see. My sister, she is a chef. Like, you know, so that's what she does. She went to the French Culinary Institute, so she does that. She actually just started an Instagram where, you know, those ones where you kind of like, you teach the recipe, but it's like really like quick kind of thing. And then you try it and she like winks at the camera.

Like she has those kind of things. Which is my obsession right now because I love to cook and so does Kate. So there's always my Instagram feed is filled with those recipes. What is her Instagram? Her name is Quinn. She's Quinn K. I'm going to follow her. Yes, Quinn.

Yes, Quinn. instead of queen. Yasquin. Yes, Quinn. Gail Quinn. So is your plan to just, you know, work and then retire and then unretire and retire? Is this kind of the idea? Yeah, pretty much.

You know, I mean, sometimes like, you know, like a, you said, I got the call on Friday that I was working Monday. And the whole weekend, I'm running the two kids around to, like, you know, birthday parties and stuff like that. And, you know, I'd be lying if I didn't say I had a bit of an existential crisis. Or I was kind of just like, can I do this with two, like, little kids right now? Yeah, because, like, the whole time I'm trying to find some time to work on my stuff. And just by the time, like, you know, by the time we get home from everything, I'm just absolutely wiped.

And it's like, you know, I have to, like, lay down for half an hour before I can do anything. Yeah. I'd be lying if I didn't say, like, I had a bit of an existential crisis this weekend. Yeah. So, you know, I go where the wind blows when it comes to this kind of stuff. Like, you know, it's something I spend a lot of time actively pursuing. A lot of times these things kind of fall into your lap naturally. But you still love it, though.

I mean. I enjoy the work itself. Yes. You do. always enjoy the pursuit of it, you know, and like, you know, the muck that comes with it and just kind of, you know, it could be a drag, you know, and so, and I, listen, I, I've made my fortune. I've made my mark. I've made my name. I have nothing to prove to nobody, you know, so, you know, I do it for the love, you know, I do it for, you know, for the fun of it, really. So, you know,

if something sounds fun, it comes, you know, comes, you know, comes, you know, so you're a dad, you're a dad number one and then you retire and you unretire. Which is great because we have another season to do a running point. Yes, indeed, indeed, yes. We need you, we need you with the kids. That's right. I'll be holding down the fork. Holding them for it because you know how Brenda gets like on set.

It's like, oh my God, what am I going to do? And I'm like, it's fine. It's all going to work out. It's all going to be good. Yeah, yeah. No, it always works out. That's just her way. She has to do that.

She has to, like, anxiety is kind of, woven into her DNA a little bit and that's kind of a part of her process you know just generally you know so yeah so

but you know she's good I chill her out don't worry about it is there any but is there anything else that sort of gets you going you know what I mean

like you're an actor you're a dad but you know is there is there something where you're like I fucking love doing this you know

I what I say what I say is I don't have time for hobbies or habits or even new friends you know it's like I'm kind of

in that phase, simply because I have, you know, both my kids are under four years old. I mean, it's very, you know, it's very,

um, you know, they're very, um, you know, and we're very hands on with our kids. That's the thing. Like,

you know, they're, they always have a set of eyes on them. Like, you know, we don't just let them, cut them loose in the, in the front yard or something like that.

Like, like, yeah, like, yeah, they're very, their, they're precious little Faberje eggs to us. Yeah.

So, um, we put a lot of time and energy into them. But, you know, listen, they're, they're very confident. They're very happy. They're very smart and well-adjusted. They're pretty much almost all the things I wasn't when I was a kid. Are you done?

Are you done having children? Is that it? You all want more. Oh, we'll see about that. Well, you know, we always kick the can down the road. You know, we'll talk about it next year, that kind of thing, you know. Honestly, right now, we're actually in a spot where we actually have some really great stability. Both kids are in preschool right now.

Yeah. We have a good routine. Brenda really sort of feel like herself again. Yeah. You have some time as a couple, too, to, like, actually be together. Yeah, you know, and you know what she chose to do? She chose to, we're doing Pilates together. I've never done to Pilates.

Oh, yeah. Oh, man, it is, it is killer. It is one of the most humbling experiences in my life. Yeah, it's not really. It hurts. I am so tired. I'm so wiped afterwards. I did it yesterday.

I did that. It was a bit out of shape before I started. And I was like, I need to, like, I need to get back to zero before you start thinking about doing other things. I was definitely starting to go negative in the red. So, yeah, so I'm working my way back up there. So, yeah, we do Pilates together. Also, she looks really good in her workout outfit. So, yeah, that's also nice to be a part of.

And so, yeah, but also, like I said, it's humbling. It is absolutely exhausting. I feel totally terrible for the next, like, five hours afterward. I know, I know. But, you know, but, you know, but, again, it's like, it's, like, So there's, like, things like that that we'll do. Like, but again, we, a year ago, we wouldn't have time, we wouldn't have the time for that. Yeah.

That's what I mean. So we're certainly kind of find some stability and a rhythm a little bit. So we're going to kind of enjoy this for a little while and see how we feel. So also every time, every time she looks at pictures of our, like, babies, like when they're infants or if somebody, like, has that, like, a little baby around. It's like, I can tell she gets there. Her ovaries start aching a little bit, you know? Of course.

You know, that's when my, my ovaries start doing pirouettes. Yeah. Yes. Like, I, I held a baby yesterday. on Sunday, and I was just like, oh, I don't know. I just can't even stand it. I know, but then you can give it back. And then you're like, all right, I did it.

I've done three of them. I'm good. But overall, it seems like you've got your life is just fucking fabulous right now. Yeah, I'm really happy in a really great place. Yeah, it feels like. I feel really good. I'm probably in the best place in my entire life. Yeah.

Well, this was fucking fun, man. This was because your life is so fascinating. I honestly could get go like much deeper into all of these things and maybe we'll do it again. I just did. And maybe next time we'll bring Quinn on. Yeah, I just love your energy. I think you're just, you know, there's so much that could have gone wrong now that I've just talked to you for an hour that didn't. And it seems like you've got such a good head about you.

You know, you would think that because you found stardom so young, you would want to chase that. And there's some negativity around that. But you're just so forward thinking and in the moment. And it's, uh, well, I always say, uh, thank you. goodness it was me and not someone else so yeah yeah yeah well good talking to you thanks mag you're the best we'll see you soon better bye oh he's the best I know that was so nice I wish I was as happy as he is um you'll get there all you'll get there no maybe not but it's okay I love you I have to go love you too okay bye bye hey it's your favorite jersey girl

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