Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Matthew and Rooster McConaughey

Episode Date: October 21, 2020

Matthew and Mike "Rooster" McConaughey join Kate and Oliver on this week's episode of "Sibling Revelry." They open up about growing up in Texas, their big age difference, the loss of their father, and they share some hysterical stories. Matthew also talks about his new book, "Greenlights" and he and Kate reminisce about filming together.  Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by DoorDash (Promo code: SIBLING), Helix, Article, Sakara.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the Chinatown Stang on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie.

Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling reverie. That's good. Hi. What's up? Ollie, you're in the car. I'm looking at you on FaceTime, and you're sitting in the car in Aspen. You're still in Colorado.

I just did Pilates. I've been doing Pilates. I love that Pilates there. It's the best. And you know what we did is we set up the maze in the haunted house. We went and rented like a full on all of these black curtains and rods. And inside of the house that I'm redoing, we completely mazed out the house. Wow.

It's awesome. And now we have to just, like, get, we have to figure it out. Yeah, I mean, decorate. I mean, like, make it happen. Yeah, like jump scares and where are the jump scares for the kids and kind of put stuff and get, you know, we got a black light coming. We got a smoke machine. We got a strobe in an area. You know, we should hire some, like, out-of-work actors.

That's us. Well, me. Yeah, that's our whole family. Actually, no. So basically, we're all... You're going to work. You're going to work. I'm going to work in December.

Why it's working. Maryl's working. Pa and ma. We can hire them. I feel like mom should be the person who, like, opens the door for the kids. Mm-hmm. That's good.

Welcome. You know? Hello. And our Halloween's going to be, like, us. I mean, it's just going to be, like, the kids should be like, go-go. Like, seriously. That's the fun of it.

Yeah, we should all play a part somehow in the whole deal. I'm excited. It'll be really fun. But I'm doing the blood where they take your blood and spin it. What's it called? Vampire facial thing. It's the vampire facial. Yeah, I did that.

It's great for your skin. Yeah. No, I did it. And it was crazy. He just took a needle and was squirting it all over my face. It was cold. It was cold. Can we put this in the episode?

I don't care. Can we? I want to put this in. Because I think that it's one of those things where people talk about women doing these kind of fun treatments and lasers. And the reality is that a lot of men are doing them now, too. They just don't talk about it. Oh, my God. Well, you know, before I even started, I was asking a million questions.

Like, so how many celebrities have done this? I mean, men. I mean, are there men who do this? I mean, do you know celebrity men who've actually done this? this and they're like, and Jason, Dr. Diamond was like, you, you wouldn't even know, it would, it would shock you to know the amount of men, male celebrities who I, you know, do shit to. So yes, I went in and I had blood splattered all over my face and then they took a, then they needled it in there and then they did a fucking laser.

Yeah. And then he goes, let's try some Botox. I'm like, oh, shit, like for real, he's like, I just trust me. I was like, all right, fuck it. let's do it he puts Botox in my face I'm like I didn't feel like anything two days later

I'm making an expression in the mirror and one eyebrow literally goes up into my hairline I'm like what the fuck is going on I called him immediately I'm like Jason dude what the fuck you just ruin my life he's laughing

he goes come back in and then he puts some more in here just to calm it down but I mean it looked insane I looked like a villain. I was like, it was going up here. So, well, what happens is that we all have a stronger side. So when you get something like Botox, it's going to react differently. So it's actually important when you go in, and this is like for everybody out there listening for this.

This is the Botox special. When you go in, it's important that you ask if this is uneven. I don't want to come back and pay for more because you made it, you know what I mean? Like, can I, you know, if you don't get this right, do I get to come back and can you fix it? And they should say, of course. Of course, because otherwise, that would be a whole scam. I mean, then they could just fuck you up on purpose. I know.

So you come back in. Exactly. But I haven't done it. I did it the one time. And then now I'm going back. And I don't know if I think I might do it again. I think I liked it. No one knew.

I mean, first of all, I've no problem, obviously, telling anyone. But I might do it again. This is what I'm worrying. wondering about like should I fucking I go to work in December cares I don't really care I just you know I don't care way I don't have a stigma about it I have so many like deep wrinkles too that I don't think you could even get I I'll still look manly you know but just without looking like Benjamin but I have a friend who's really famous um who uh a male who I would have never thought would get Botox and one time I I saw him and

he was on a little bit of a break and I was like he just blew his face up with Botox like his whole face was like frozen and I was like that's really clever like he's on a break between movies and then by the time he starts shooting again all of his you know all of it goes away and he has his expression but he doesn't have the deep deep line so essentially he like cryogenically froze himself in a way exactly he used it for preservation not to be on screen that's interesting so he did it months before and then by the time he got on it died down and he had his movement back and and it looked like youthful wow yeah but he didn't tell me that i just knew that that's what he was doing um i think we should ask people um

about the stigma like men yeah you know because i the the truth is, is that women always get asked this question, always about Botox and filler, and what are your thoughts on that? I want to just every man that we have on our show go, hey, you know, like, we should have asked McConaughey, like, what are your thoughts on Botox and fillers? Wow, do you think McConaughey has done Botox or anything like that before? Doesn't look like it. No. He looks great. He did look great. I was so nice to see it. He looked really great. He was so cool and fun and settled and centered.

Yeah. More than I've ever, ever seen him, you know. I mean, I was saying this in the interview that I've known him for almost 20 years now. And it was the most calm, I think I'd ever seen him. Rooster, on the other hand. I love rooster. Oh, my God. funny his timing is just the best yeah what i realized with this episode too was there's so much that

we talked about but there's so much more to talk about because there's so much history there you know yeah i feel like we just touched the surface and it was still so fun and his new book is called green lights it is out now and he's really really open about his life and how he grew up i mean he really puts it out there you get a much bigger understanding of who Matthew McConaughey is and it really explains everything exactly totally that's I was about to say it explains everything and I love the philosophy and the concept behind green lights you know what I mean that idea that there are no reds or yellows essentially everything can everything turns green you know I think it's such a great way to look at things yeah Matthew kind of comes out

with these gems you know it's like never underestimate what he's actually trying to say it was also so nice and so so great to see how proud rooster is and was of his brother i mean he was almost emotional at one point you know i mean even about the book i mean even about i mean he's like yeah he he he loves his bro and i have to say there are some absolutely gems in this book you will love it it's so matthew i can say that from working with him for over the years and knowing him as well as i do that you are getting a real true honest and not to give it not to give it away too but he he goes in he goes into how this book was conceived what he did to go write it the time that he had to take off and it's pretty interesting so here is matthew

and Rooster McConaughey. All right, all right, all right. I feel like his is way better. Well, it's his. It has to be. I'm lucky to be here. I've been so damn busy doing nothing. I ain't got time to do anything.

Have you been doing nothing? But you never, Kate and Oliver, he's kind of full of shit because this man never sits down. Hey, you're always kiddling doing something. You're the busiest guy I know, or I mean, I'll never see, unless you're sitting down

with the middle of to watch a Western at 7 o'clock on a Sunday morning, you never sit down. And he still wakes up before. I feel like you guys might get that hustle from Mama McConaughey. She keeps it rolling. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, she's hard enough to keep up with. So let's start, you guys. You guys, first of all, you're 16 years apart. that's a big that's a huge age difference Rooster where were you born in Houston and Matthew you were born in Valde

so give us give us a little color as to like what that looked like for you rooster pre-Matthew oh okay well I mean my dad was a plate for Green Bay whatever and I don't remember all that part of it

but he was in sales for Texaco so we kind of moved around and we went from we were living three different houses in San Antonio and then we moved up we was in Corpus we was in McAllen I mean with New Orleans and I'm never sure whether we moved or my parents were splitting up let's say they were married three times each other you know most of the most of the turmoil was back before Matthew or whatever I used to tell me I asked my mom and my dad did y'all ever have an argument without coming to waking me up so I could referee the damn thing.

I mean, what, I remember this shit going on. I was like three, you know, and so they, so they, I never, I was with my grandparents, whatever, well, then when Matthew, we got Patrick. Pat was adopted. Patrick was adopted. You weren't your little brother for your birthday. Is that correct? Yes, he was.

He got him on July 27. We picked him up on August 2nd, my birthday. And they gave you, they literally got you a little brother for your birthday. Gave me a little brother, sure did. Pete all over me. Hell, I was happy as all get out. When we drove me back from Houston to Evaldi, and he was, I mean, I always wanted a little brother. And sure enough, because my dad supposedly couldn't have anymore, you know, he was supposed

to be shooting blanks or whatever. Well, then, 16, 15, a half years later, whatever it is. One sperm, one sperm made it through. Just how it happened. It was the right night. 16 years left in his malls and don't happen. Yeah. And I mean,

and it's pretty suspicions are everywhere. Mm. Right. And I wish my dad had to die because the son of a bit's more looks more like my dad than any of us do, you know? Like, you know.

And he found the extent that he always said he had better, his personals were here. He said, Matthew's my son. I don't know what happened to you son with those personal as you have, but Matthew is my son. You took that for your mother. Nothing else. Wait, I heard that your dad was at the bar, Matthew,

when you were born, because he sort of was kind of, right? He didn't think that you were his. So he's like, that's what mom told me that he said, that, you know, for the first five months pregnancy, mom said, oh, I thought you were a tumor because we've been trying for so long. And dad didn't believe me. And then all of a sudden, having been down to have the baby called, Jim, and he said, no, I'm not, I'm not coming down there.

And it was sort of a joke, I understood it. You tell me, Ruby, it was sort of a joke. That's not my boy. But I was. And that he said, no, you have him. Just one rule. If it's a boy, don't name him Kelly. You always want to name somebody, Kelly. So I had to name my dog that, yeah. But I think the bar he was at was like across the street from the hospital. Oh, yeah. That's not bad. Wait, wait, let me get this straight. Did your parents divorce and get remarried three times to each other? Yeah.

Yeah, by the, I've heard this story from Matthew's mom a lot. She likes that story. That's unbelievable. Yeah. Can't live with you, can't live without you. Right. Yeah. But did they actually have three ceremonies, meaning like, oh, we're divorced and then we're going to get married again and have another wedding?

Yeah, I've got one. I've got photos where they were in San Antonio with the Catholic priest for the second one, Rue. you do you put it in the book yeah um but you are you you were around for a lot more the rock and roll years with them then i'm at the very at the very when i was very young but after that it would settle down oh so you when you came into the picture matthew everything sort of mellowed out a little bit uh i mean i say i caught the tail end of a few uh the tide of waves um that i got that i got to witness. But Rooster Rooster. And then every time I would be like,

what? And I'd, you know, just go to Rooster, you'd like, oh, no, that shit happened all the time. Yeah. It was like a special event. I mean, it's like, oh, that goes on weekly. Were you just desensitized to it, Rooster? Was it just part of life? It's like, oh, shit. Oh, man, you know, I mean, people say that,

that I hate conflict, you know, I mean, because I was always refereeing those two. I mean, you know, and I don't get into total details. Of course. Of course, you kind of grow up, rooster being like, yeah, you're Switzerland. It's like that's probably where you're happiest, yeah. Oh, I mean, I've always, somebody gets, oh, let's figure this out, you know. Hold on, it can't be that bad, you know, or somebody, you know, says something, you know,

says something negative. I'll throw something positive in, you know, just because I don't, you know, I just hate conflict. I mean, I've been married three times. Yeah, you know what I'm like, I've been married three times. I mean, I guess it's, I married, I finally had to marry a woman that's 21 years younger me. I guess I need somebody in my maturity level or something. I never have grown up. I don't know.

You know, but I mean, it's like I don't like conflict too much. So I kind of want to get into mom a little bit about her personality and how you growing up first, Rooster, and then talking about when Matthew came along, if you saw any, like, changes in mom or if, you know, you kind of have a real, a longer perspective of all of that. Well, they, the biggest problem with my parents is they were both big. heavy A personality. I mean, heavy.

They're getting fights over god dang card games, you know, and shit, you know what I mean? But when Matthew was born, Mother said, you're not going to, I'm not, we're not going to raise him hard, like, you know, trying to raise him hard like you raise his boys.

And he said, well, you know, what she said, I want him to be able to verbalize better. I want to, you know, you, and my dad goes, well, goddamn, man, hell. You know, whatever you want to do, you know, And so Mother with Matthew was more, he got to be a little more verbal. Am I right, Matthew? Absolutely.

Yeah, I got to ask why. If you said, go do this, he got to say, well, why? Yeah, man, well, you know, but you just went to the wuh, and you went up and you got stumbled over you. My dad was in the back hand. Interrupt to your route. And you're doing it naturally and I do it naturally. And Kate and Oliver, this happens every time I'm asked about our family and the love story

that we grew up with, that how much you love mom and dad and how much we all, the brothers, we all love each other and how tired of a family are. When I tell the love stories, I always do exactly what Roosha's. I tell the stories when we were disciplined. We heard this a lot in the family. I love you. I just don't like you right now. So those were times being disliked.

That was one of our lines from our movie. It's a great one. It was a great one. I love you, Banky. But I don't like you right now. Yes. So Rooster, so you're 16, Matthew's born. How long were you in the house while Matthew was in the house? How much time did you guys get together?

Early on, not much at all. No. You and I didn't become brothers or buddies until I got to be what? 20, 21 or something? That's when you and I really got to close. When you, when I think we really got, when dad died when we really got to close. Right. Right. Yeah, so I was 21.

And so even, but in that time span, there was, there was no real relationship between the two of you, huh? Because he was gone. Well, yeah, you know, we did. We saw each other, but it wasn't like, you know, he was doing his deal. He wanted him to be, you know, because Matthew's a good negotiator, and he, you know, one of his first things would like to be a lawyer. And I go, where do you want to be a lawyer for him? And everybody's going to hate your guts, so he's going to act like it, and they're really not going to like you. You know, I said, you know, I said, I mean, come on, man.

You know, so, I mean, I was happy to see that he wasn't, but his dad always kind of wanted him to be one. He'd have been an hell of a lawyer, too. But, I mean, just some certain things, we were there, we were close, but we didn't, after my dad died, we got really, really like, he had questions for me, you know, like, was this right or that right, you know, and we got really, really close. Questions, questions, meaning trying to understand who your father was separate from your relationship, Matthew? Was this true? I mean, but my dad, like, he did little league, you know what I mean, no matter what happened in her house. It was, there was a lot to love. Does that make sense? I mean, so you, so, but I, I used to see you on, like,

when you'd come home for Christmas or something like that. And I didn't, I didn't, you and I got to know each other much later. Pat, middle brother, who's not on the, who's not on the Zoom right now. He was my heroic older brother, to me. He was the one who, you know, who I really looked up to, and who taught me how to dance, taught me how to ask a girl out on the day, would take up for me and not tell on me. me or, you know, if I did something or I wouldn't tell on him for something if it was he

and I a secret. But Pat, you and Pat had that relationship. You were that to Pat for quite some time, weren't you? Yeah. Yeah, but the distance or age difference, I never did, I never really picked on my brothers, I guess, because of our age difference. And I didn't allow anybody else to pick on. Yeah. You know, we had, it was nine years between me and Pat, you know, and 16 between Matthew, I just told, they were like my little pals, you know, I We could tease them. The God off would tease them. I mean, we could always tease them.

I allowed that, but he wasn't going to, like, you know, pick on them. I didn't allow that too much. Funny story on a tease. So when I'm, what I don't know, four years old, three years old, whatever, diapers, Evaldi, Texas. And I had a pretty, pretty nice chubby gut and everything. And he's coming, okay? What's that little fat man? You know what I mean?

So now I'm out there, I'd be playing in the front yard. And I'd hear this distant sound about a half a mile away, come and getting ladders. It got to me going, ma-man-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I'd look up, and it was rooster, the station wagon. Plowman. Plowman.

And there'd be driving down the sheet, they knew I was in their front yard, and they'd all be in the car going, no, no, no, no, no, no. until they got right in front. It'd be really that. It'd be, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And all in use, and they go, Fat Man! And I'm like, ooh, he got.

And we're locked and everything out of the street. Do you? I am not fat. I am not fat. Instead of saying Batman, we go Fat Man. And he'd run to the backyard. And by the time we can circle back again, a little bastard would be right out there in their little trainer panties.

And right there were nothing with them underwear off. And waiting on us to do it again. He's loving every goddamn minute on me. Oh, my God. I love that story so much. So Pat was really there during the formative years. Rooster, where did you go? You know, the less money you got, the less money you got,

the sooner you got to leave the house, you know. So I left pretty early and went, oh, I got married when I was like 20. But were you in the same time? Yeah. I went to college for a little bit, and then I came back and worked in the pipe yard again and ended up getting married. And I had a year later, had Madison. And then I went on and I got transferred out to Midland, Texas when I was 22. So they were still there in Evaldi. And I, and Midland, Texas just took a liking to me. And I got, you know, kind of moved up, you know, financially. He moved up the ladder quick.

Russia, you'd correct me from wrong, but Russo got out there to Midland, and like the oil boom was hitting, and he was making seven digits quickly. And I remember you saying that you were rolling, was this after you, after you and Marshall Divorce, when you were rolling with Leroy? And y'all were, this was, this was 24 trips in a private plane to Vegas a year. Yeah. Wow. Did the Bell-Aggio offer you a salary to The Aladdin. The Aladdin offered you a salary. To be a shield.

Just to play craps there. They were going to give him a penthouse at the top and a salary if he would just play craps because he drew that many people to the crap. Yeah. The people would sit there and they wouldn't leave the black, that table or the crap table because they were having too much fun. Oh, that's great. Is this how you lost your first million?

I actually lost it in 1983. The whole industry went bankrupt. Okay. And I lost it all. And that's when I sent all my, I had a little old diamond in a rooster with a little diamond eye, you know, when I was wearing off your skin boots, love your blue boots. I dressed up, start shirt, all this shit, you know, weighed about 160 pounds. I mean, I'm to cap me out.

And I looked up and I said, I'm a broke dick dog. And I'm like, God, damn. So I ship all my nice shit to my brother Packers. my boots, everything. I said, I'm going back to the way I'm going to start all over, man. I'm going back to my roots. I'll never forget who I am. And to this day, I dress just the way I always, I did back before I'm going.

I mean, and to this day, I said, I will never forget who I am. That's great. Ever again. And I kind of did for a little bit. I feel like your name also is like just the perfect nickname for you. Where did that come from? Well, it's actually a guy. I had a drinking contest with a guy when I was like married to my first wife.

and I told him I really used to get up like at daylight. I mean, son up, I got up. It didn't make any difference by as an elevator shaft. I woke up at daylight. And he came over and we drank beer till. I don't know what time in the morning it was. And he had to be somewhere at 9 in the morning, about 40 miles away. And O'Glynn says, I need alarm.

I said, come on, man. You know, I get up first thing. Day, I don't even worry about it. About 8, 45, I walked in there. And I'm like, shit. I said, God damn, man, amen. man, it says, what time is it, motherfucker? I said, 8.45, and goes, you rooster, motherfucker.

Well, it caught on, and I didn't take it with me to Midland, but he walked in a bar and Midland to see me and called me rooster, and everybody just said, that's who you are, and I never picked it. Oh, it's so great. I love that. Well, Matthew, when you finally were of age to understand who your brother was, I mean, what did you think of him from afar, meaning you're 15 years old, and now you see him now and again,

and was he this sort of wild, free-spirited guy who you looked up to. I know that Pat was more your speed at that time, but, you know. Yeah, Pat was more to speak the time, but like when soon, when Pop moved on is when I did go to Rooster to go, okay. And plus, I was now 21. And when you're 20 over 18, 21, that's your real right of passage in the Conahaye family. That's when, you know, other than that, because we're going to go, they're going to go.

We don't have to help you anymore. No, one, you're on your own. If you hadn't learned it yet, you ain't going to learn it. now instead of just hearing about the stories, you can come with us to the ranch or the bar, wherever we go, and you can be part of the stories. So, Roos and I then, through learning about dad and asking him stuff and finding out stuff that I did not know,

stuff that turned out to be even false, even some great lies that I was like, oh, I didn't know that mom and dad were divorced at that time. I thought mom was just on vacation down on Navar Beach, having a little summer to herself. No, they were divorced. You know? Um, so I found out things, and I found out things about, about dad, um, found out some of those

things that you find out when you got a parent that moves on, like, where the message was different than the messenger, you know, um, but Rooster really helped me also, because some of those things where I found out the message was different than the messenger being my father. And some of the things, my initial reaction was what most people's initial reaction was, I was pissed off. And I was, I was like, sad. Or, and Rooster got me laughing and going, man, that's just, you still keep alive those things that you want to keep alive with him that he did teach you. Even if he didn't follow him all the time, you just take him on and we laughed it off and, you know, cried it off and then forgave and moved on and just kind of was easy to

quickly continue loving my dad for who he was and who I even thought he was before I found out some things that he wasn't. Easy for you to forgive, though. I mean, it sounds like you're a pretty forgiving person just in Yeah, well, I mean, it was actually kind of in a way, even then it was relaxing. Well, you have to. Okay, don't stick to those 100%. You learn to forgive around our health because there was a lot to forgive. Right.

It's busy doing it that you damn sure got good at. It's like, you know, doing anything else, you know. You always say this, you're going to know, how you, what is it, how you know what's right if you don't do wrong? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's so much pressure for people to be living some kind of, like,

like perfect utopian kind of a life you know and it just nothing will ever exist like that you know you got to leave room for the mistake you i want my children to make mistakes and like have it be it's a part of the process you know did you guys look at your children once you had children and take things that you loved your parents did with you and then other things that you vowed never to do i mean you know how about emulating sort of who your fan who your parents were as fathers yourselves? I mean, for me, I took a lot of what. You know, I found great value in a lot of the way,

in almost every way that my mom and dad raised me. I know I thought that it was more having children was more about the environment they're raised in and less about DNA. And with every single day that my kids are alive, I'm reminded, no, it's more about DNA than it was even environment than I'm done. That we can nudge them and put them in the right place, put the right things in front of them,

and try to remove the wrong. things from, but basically they're who they are. Yeah, it's like, it's like, it's like nature versus nurture. It's our job to nurture their nature. We just got to be in tune enough to know and to be

aware of their nature. Yeah, I mean, I always think about that. Like, if Jeffrey Dahmer was a baby and raised by the McConaughey's, would he be Jeffrey Dahmer? You know, would he be eating people at the end of the day or no? I mean, that's... No, and we might lock him in the free. We not locked him in.

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Then I'm actually used to trap people and embarrass the shit out of it. We'd have to bite everybody over for a barbecue and bring that shit out and try to sell them. Amway the shit out of them. Oh, God, we'd be. It was door-to-door sales, and it was, I think it was Elaine who worked for dad at a time. They got mom to sell this oil of meat. It's a beautiful new breakthrough oil product that you put on. your face. It brings out the impurities. And once all the impurities out, you will have beautiful,

glowing skin for the rest of your life. So mom's peddling. Oh, this is great. She's put it on. She's going door to door. Well, I'm about 14, 15. Got a little oily skin. Teenager, got a few pimples, right? One day, mom goes, you're going to get rid of those pimples? I'm like, well, yeah. She goes, you should put on this oil of ink. So I start each night, rubbing down my face, oil of me, cover my face. After about a week, I've got quite a few more pimples. And she's like, I go, Mom, she's like, it's the impurities coming out. It's worth it. About another week, I'm putting it on all of a sudden. I'm getting, my face is starting to get swollen, and it's like, it's ugly.

And I'm like, mom, she goes, wow, I've got a lot of impurities. I go three weeks, now all of a sudden, it's, I look like the elephant, man. I'm swollen up. I've got full-blown major acne. And I sneak off to the dermatologist, and he says, whoa, my God, Matthew, what are you put in your faith? I show him this miko, and he goes, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's for like people over 40. This is clogging up your pores.

You've got oily skin going through adolescence. You can't put this on your skin. Got me on acutane. I went on acutane too. So bad for you. Miracle. Miracle drug, right? So bad, but so bad. Saved my ass.

So I get on that. And it goes on for a year. You get the dry set you get dandruff, your knees, your joints, hurt, all this other stuff. Well, as I'm getting on that, dad gets the idea that he's going on. And it says a lot about that. He let me get him over.

He does. Why wouldn't you be a lawyer? Our litigation, I should be a lawyer. He's like, I'd make a little money off of this thing. I mean, it doesn't even say on the bottle, you know, that no kid's supposed to put that on his face. I mean, what the hell? I mean, I'm going to call him a lawyer, Jerry Harris. It goes down and goes to Jerry.

Jerry, what do you think? Jerry goes, mental, fatigue, not a lack of confidence. I think we've got a case here with your son, Big Jim. I think we'd make $35,000 to $50,000. I always take this company down because they shouldn't been giving it. So he sees me and Jerry's like, God, damn, boy, look at you. You're all swollen up. You don't even look like yourself.

My God. He goes, did you have mental anguish from this experience with this me going? Yes, sir. He goes, well, like what? Did you lose confidence? And I'm like, look at my dad and dad's going, I'm like, yeah, I lost confidence. And he's like, did you, did it harm? Were you doing as well with the girls?

And I look at dad and dad's like going, and I'm like, no, I was doing horrible with the girls. It was a drive, man. It was horrible. And I lost confidence. And he goes, we got it. 35, 50,000. We walked that line and the prosecution, we got this money. So, boom, here we go.

Now, as you know, depositions and court cases go on a while. Let me interrupt you. It was more. He was going to suit for a lot more. Remember, he had to settle for some because of what happened here. You're going to tell why. Well, anyway, cut to year, cut to 18 months later. I'm now a senior.

The acne's gone. The acutane worked. All right? I'm now a senior. I'm sitting in the law office, now talking to the defense attorney who's sitting across me. And he's like going, I mean, the mental anguish just must have been so tough for you, Matthew. And I'm in my mind going, I can't believe he's serving me this softball. I'm going to hit this out of the park.

I'm like, oh, yes, sir. It was horrible. I mean, he goes, I bet you just lost so much confidence. He goes, what else? I go, I wouldn't do any good with the girls, man. I was depressed. He's like, oh, so tough, so tough. And then he took a pause, and he reaches under the desk,

he pulls out this green yearbook. He's got this big flagged. He opens it up, turns around, and slides it in front of me. Put this finger out on it. He goes, who's that? And it was a picture of me next to Camisa Springs. In my senior year, I'd won Most Handsome. Yeah, best looking.

And I knew right then I was like, oh, it's over. We blew it. And I looked up at him, and he goes, it's been so tough, hadn't it? And I'm like, damn it, we lost. I remember dad going, what the hell, boy? We were going to make 50 grand, and you got to run off and win goddamn most handsome

and screw the whole deal. Yeah, you except the dumbass brother did. He gets for the most handsome. God damn, what the hell? Oh, God, I love that story. That's amazing. I mean, you really did have your childhood is so full of amazing stories, you know. But when did you become such a traveler and a wanderer?

Because it started early, man. I mean, I was reading about you and just, you know, you were just on your own trip, living the life, honestly, that I would like to live right now with three kids. and just doing your thing and happy and just pursuing whatever was in your heart in that moment. Like, was that just innate? Was there any running away at all from a psychological standpoint? Or was this just, I need to be out. I don't know.

I mean, it started with two weeks out of high, a week, right after I finished high school, like everybody, I didn't know how I wanted to do, where I was going to go to college. I was going to think I was going to go be a lawyer, but I wasn't sure. and my mom said, what about being an exchange student? And I was like, that sounds great. So went down and there was an opening for Sweden and Australia. And I was thinking in 1988, Sunny Beach is Elle McPherson, English speaking. I'm going to Australia. So two weeks later, boom, I went over there for a year.

Came back from that, started school. It really did do much more big traveling until I got out to Hollywood and sort of became successful. After I got famous for the time to kill, I needed to go find some places where I had nothing but me in a backpack and took, would take these 22 day trips on my own to there, to Peru or Africa. And then I tried out a grand experiment of living on the road for three and a half years of my airstream. Right. Which worked. And that's back when we only had the blackberries. Yeah. But it worked. And so I was like, oh, if I got to meet with Cade or director somewhere. I'll pick them up in Albuquerque tomorrow morning and I'm going to keep

driving west and I'll drop them off in Phoenix or El Paso. Wasn't that kind of when right after Hadalus a guy that you did a lot of the airstream travel or was that before? A lot of it was before. We were, what was How to Lose Guy? 99, 97. No, 2001. A lot of it was before and there still some of it after. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because I remember you checking out and going airstreaming after that. Yeah. I mean, you know, now we got kids and all of you got three kids. Those days we've thrown that backpack on saying, see you later. Hadn out tomorrow. I'm not up in the room here. I just bought a trailer because the kids love it. We went on a two-week adventure this summer and a rented one. And then I bought one. I wanted to buy an airstream, but I was going to go

cheaper just to make sure I liked it and then build one out, you know, that I really love. And I just love that feeling, that freedom of just being with your family in the middle of fucking nowhere and living. That's where you freaked out. You freaked out on your 44, on your birthday, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, 44. I listened to that.

I listen, I listened that. Yeah, you freaked out. And your sister said you were going to freak out. You freaked out. Couldn't get your breath or some kind of shit. Oh. Oh, his panic attacks. Oh, my panic.

Oh, yeah. I went through major anxiety in my 20s. Yeah. For a year losing it. Like, couldn't leave the house, throwing up. You know, I was trying to be an actor at the time. I was 24 years old, still trying to audition. And I got a, I got, I called back.

I had to go to New York and read with Laura Linney. And I remember how to get on this plane. I was throwing up the whole plane ride. I land. I go to sleep. I'm throwing up on Fifth Avenue. It's not funny, but it's. I was a fucking mess.

I was a mess for about eight or nine months just trying to figure it out. I went to every doctor you can imagine. And then I just started meditating. I had my rock that I would walk up to and meditate and write in my journal. And eventually I was able to sort of come out of it. But it was a gnarly, gnarly time for me

in my early 20s. Now it's more about sweating, rooster. Now he just can't sweat. So that's the new... some shits going on, man. She's got to figure out. Havillina. Havillina, they don't sweat.

That's me. That's an animal. That's you. That's you. That's right. So, Oliver, what was it? Were you compounding your thoughts and making everything too complicated, overthink and stuff? Yeah, I think it was, again, trying to be an actor, not really taking it seriously. Kate was famous.

I've been famous parents not understanding sort of where I fit in. It was almost like a quarter-life crisis in a way. You know, I just was not secure. with who I was or who I was supposed to be. I didn't know what I wanted. I didn't know what I loved. It wasn't acting at the time. I was just sort of drifting, you know, and it all compounded in one moment.

I was walking into crazy girls. And my friend was walking ahead of me, and I took a step, and it was as if my heart exploded. I thought I was having a heart attack, and I went down to a knee and almost reached for him. His name was John. I was like, John, and he didn't hear me. And I was like, I'm going to fucking die. in Hollywood in front of crazy girls right now.

This is going to be horrible for my entire family. I gathered myself, got my breath back. I went in, had a vodka, and I was like, I got to settle down, and then eventually had to leave. And that moment was the mark of about eight to nine months of just hell. And I got, you know, I was in therapy, trying to figure it out, medical first, and then realizing that this is nothing to do with my physical body. It was all about my emotional state

and I wouldn't trade it for the world. I learned a lot about myself in those eight, nine, ten months and it's still the foundation of sort of how I think today. You know, I'm able to sort of draw back on what that felt like and why I felt that way.

But unconscious, it was totally unconscious. I thought life was fucking great, you know? Right. Turns out it wasn't. But you know, it's interesting because Matthew, you know, you're sort of, this came up for you because you're talking about how Matthew, like,

was a wander and traveled so much and just would, like, you know, like he's saying, put his backpack on and check out for 22 days and just completely independent. Whereas what you're relating to, it's like now in your life, you're like, oh my God, what I would give to put on a backpack alone and go do that.

Whereas before, really, you couldn't leave the palisades. No, I was living at home. You couldn't, you had such a hard time. My thing was is that I was too comfortable I had left college after two years I was a PA for a while I took a film class

I wasn't making any real money I was trying to be an actor because my whole family did it got into class I liked it but it was still unsure of who I was and I just I was too complacent

I was drinking you know a ton not studying for any audition and eventually what I did was I moved out of the house with not a lot of money, but trying to put some sort of pressure on myself to perform. And it worked.

I mean, after two months of being out of my house, I got my first TV gig, and that was that was that, you know. It's a, you know, a common thing that's come up at every story we've told

and not condoning any one way of any of them. But every story here is shining a light on the value of resistance and having to overcome something. and you know we had sometimes have to put ourselves in that forced winter like you did you got to move out man i got i got to get hungry i know when i was in australia i became celibate i was a vegetarian i was running six miles a day just because i needed to create daily disciplines just so i can keep my damn sanity you know what i mean and without them you know enough of it if we're allowed to eat cake for every meal it's great until a few months go by energy five no i mean it's like need

persistence to overcome it's true it's so true and i've always well you're a bunch of overthinkers yeah but but rooster i think that goddamn copped motherfucker you go on with you're not wrong you're not wrong i mean i do overthink a lot of shit you're not wrong i mean me too me too that's the word enemy you ever got hey this trait of rooster and my mother are two traits that I really don't practice as much as I wish I could, but I quite envy. I mean, you talk about resilience. Rooster has this too, not as much, not as much as mom, but mom is the queen of this. When I just went to mom, I was like, mom, mom, don't you have anything that you regret?

Don't you have anything that you're like, things that you do at the end of the day? We're like, oh, geez, I could have done that better, da, da, da, da, and she goes, oh, honey, every night I get in bed and I go through a mental list, and it's along of the things I regret. and the things that I just need to work on and do better. I'm like, ah, well, good, she does. But the thing is, when I wake up in the morning, I forgot them all. He forgave herself.

No, I'm like, nobody forgives himself quicker. You know, like, oh, okay, there's a magic trick. Just forget them. Oh, my God, your mom. I feel bad longer than her, you know what I mean? I like that. No, you'll, you'll, yeah, you will. You'll go on.

call up and say, hey, man, whatever, you know, you know, shit that I get out of line or something, you know, and, yeah, longer than her, but I like to bring it to a head. In other words, I, the worst thing you can wake up with Matthew, you, you know, I live about this, is a guilty conscience. The worst thing you can live, wake up, just horrible. That's the biggest burden I ever have is waking up with a guilty conscience. It's all just tears us up. Right, but then what do you do, Ruth?

You just say, fuck it, you push it, you just push it away? Or do you deal with why you're guilty? No, Rooster doesn't, rooster, you don't push it away. You go through, a mom will deny it every happen. And just, it's a brand new day and it's a fresh cart. Well, I have this theory. Yeah. She's a different animal.

Rooster, you are conscientious. You have a Jiminy Cricket on your shoulder, but you will push through. And you're courageous enough to go face exactly what it is or whoever it is that right away. you can't even get to sleep that night without handling it right then. That's great. But how I'll get through it that day is, is I think to myself, how bad am I going to feel two weeks from now?

It's probably not going to be near as bad two weeks ago. So I try to make myself think how I'm going to feel later on, you know, so many days later, and that gets you through the day. But you hate, you want everybody else that you think, yeah, you know, you want everybody else. If you thought you screwed somebody around, you kind of want them to think, you know, then they'd be okay too, you know, you know what I mean?

I mean, but to get through certain things, you've got to go, well, how am I going to feel 10 days from now? I'm probably going to feel near as bad as I do now, and I'll be over the fact that I said something embarrassing. Oh, yeah. Which I've done some embarrassing shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, look, I have lived with so much guilt in my life,

but I can't, I couldn't hold on, you know, specifically not to get into my whole life, but with my wife and she's my wife now when we were engaged I went through a fucked up situation totally faithful for three years got engaged

some psychology happened where I just spiraled I went into a dark dark dark dark hole drinking a lot I was out of my mind never got caught but on my 30th birthday I'll cut this

we'll cut this no that's all right we I told I told her every day I got a podcast too I'll cut it I told her rooster's gonna get a hold of them

masters and cut this. We'll take, we'll edit that one. But my point is, is that I would take showers. I'm gonna get in trouble for just listening to this. I couldn't live with the guilt anymore. I would take showers and cry in the fucking shower and then go out and be an asshole again to the point where I did what you did.

How am I gonna feel in 10 days? I'll be better, I'll be better. But that shit piles up and eventually it all came to a head where I couldn't live with myself anymore and continue a life with this person. person and have children and all that without getting it all out because I just felt disgusting and a whole like a horrible human being. Guilt, you either got to figure it out either you just stay the hell with it.

I'm just going to goddamn be a sorry son of a bitch or else I'm going to be a good guy. Yeah. And that's part of it is guilt in your conscience. And you, you know, and you mention you get there. Yeah, we're all different. We're all different too. Brewster, this is our family. So at the time that this is happening with Oliver, I had just decided to divorce my husband.

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So, Matthew, when did you say, I'm going to go to L.A., and I'm going to try this acting thing? Right. So I make a phone call to my dad between my junior, between my sophomore. junior year. I was now getting to that last two years of college where, and I think I'm going to be a lawyer, and all of a sudden it starts hitting me that, whoa, I go to, I finish school here. I go to law school for another four, three, four years. I get out. I'm really not going to be able to put my mark in the world until I'm in my 30s. Well, I don't want to really spend my whole 20s in class. And I had been writing a lot. And I'd shared stories with a friend of mine and Rob

Benner and he was like, hey, you know what, you're writing some good stories and stuff. And, you know, what you ever thought going into the storytelling does it in the filmmaker is behind the camera? Now, I look back at my diaries like I did go through writing the book. I wouldn't admit that I wanted to be in front of the camera back then, but I did. I couldn't even dream it, though. It was still like I was an embarrassing thought, like it's too avant-garde, two European, you've got to work your way up a scale on a ladder, company ladder. That's how you're a blue collar family. The arts are not in the vernacular or something a dream to do.

A book finds me the greatest salesman in the world, which somehow dispers me to go, I'm going to have the courage, I'm doing it. But I got to call dad first and tell him, I want to go to film school instead of law school. I call him, I remember time at it out. I'm going to call him at 7.30. He'll be home from work, have dinner.

He'll be sitting down with a drink or something. I'll catch it. And I remember telling dad, I said, dad, I want to go to film school instead of law school. Caught my breath. Pause on the other end of the line. All of a sudden he goes, Well, son, is that what you want to do?

He said, yes, sir. Another pause on there than the line. One, two, three, four, five seconds. Then I heard some of those beautiful words I've ever heard out of my dad's mouth. He goes, well, don't half ass it. And I was like, oh, not only did he give me his approval, man. He just sent me a flight and said, if you're going to do it, go do it, don't have fast. So I love that.

Enrolled in film school, went to film school. And in my Jew between junior and senior year, I was in the right bar, right time, met Don Phillips, got cast and days confused, three lines turned into three weeks work. People were telling me I was good at it. I was making $320 a day. I'm going, are you kidding me, is this legal? I go back to school graduate. I had a PA job on a hudgesucker proxy. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Come on, brother. Yeah. Alma Cutruff, I believe she was a production coordinator on days. It got me a PA job. Well, I go out to Hollywood, but I loaded up U-Haul in $2,000 and that movie got pushed. So the PA job was no longer there.

And I'm moving Don Phillips couch. And I remember another great lesson. I'm telling him when I go, man, I need to get an agent. And he, if you ever know, you know the legendary Don Phillips, he cast fast times and dazed. He's one of the kind of Hollywood's legendary casting directors. but he jumped down my throat and said, what you need to do is get the fuck out of here. If this town smells somebody needy, you're done.

Get the fuck out of here. Go ride motorh. And I called my buddies, Rory Cochran and Colehouser, and we went to Europe and rode motorcycles for a month. Didn't think about acting. Came back. Hadn't even thought about it. One night, he goes, you're ready.

I go, for what? He goes, we got to meet him tomorrow morning. Went down to an agency, an agent signed me on. And then I got very fortunate. The very first audition I ever had in Hollywood was for Hank McCann. And he, he was casting boys on the side with Drew Barry Moore, Whoopi Goldberg, and Mary, Mary, Louise Parker, thank you. Mary Louise Parker.

And I got that. And then my second audition in Hollywood was I walked on the Warner Brothers lot into a, it was for Angels and the Outfield. They were looking for an outfield baseball player, all American kid, they said. So I put on my American cap and a white t-shirt. I open the damn door and there on the couch as the producer I'm backlit by the 3 p.m. son He goes, oh, oh, look at you.

And I go, yes, sir. He goes, you ever played baseball? I said, 12 years. He goes, you got the part. Boom. You're going to, you're going to Oakland. We're going to pay you Schedule F, 485 to go play baseball for 10 weeks.

I'm like, what shit? This is the best job. I never like, you know, I didn't have to do the weight tables. I didn't have to ever take that PA job. And so that's when, but I secretly, when I look back at my jurors, I wanted to be, I wanted to be in front of the camera earlier than I would admit it. And then in time to kill was the big one, right? I mean, that was. Let me give you all a deal on this guy.

The most fun was when we did, we went out to his first premiere, days and confused. In Westwood. And we, and he and I had answered. And it was a cheap, you know, it wasn't a very elaborate premiere. and I think, I don't know, it's in some back room, some, I don't know, it was in a little theater. And he and I said, but they got anything to drinking? He said, man, I don't know.

So he and I run to a liquor store. I mean, we're just a couple of, you know, man, I'm excited. I don't know shit. He's barely into it. He doesn't know shit. And we're all excited. So we go. Anyways, we do the deal.

And then we stays up. We get, and I rent a limo. Remember I run a lemon. We got a bottle of mine, snuck it in, corkscrewed, popped it, drank some wine. You were in a stretch to lemon. So we're right around in this limo all night long. He's got a little shotgun apartment.

I swear it's so small that you could shit and scramble eggs at the same time. I swear to God, can you not? You can sit on that toilet. And you could literally, God, damn, hold their dadgum grill. I mean, that's small. You barely get in there. The bathroom's on your right. The stove's on your left.

There's a loft up there. I promise, you can shit and scramble eggs at the same time. Look at this, Matthew. Man, you can cook while you're checking a crap. He's like, oh, come on. Man, you know, so he disappears that night. And me being from the old school, I get a phone call, and it's the goddamn producers from days and confused

wanting to know where Matthew McConaughey is. They said, I said, what do you mean, where is he? And they said, well, we're with angels in the outfield, and he's supposed to been here at 11 o'clock, and it's 3 o'clock right now. I said, well, fire the son of a bitch. Me ain't going to show up on Goddain. I told him to firing.

And I mean, you know, just because it's about my dad, you're fired. Well, hell, I don't know anything about the business. And sure enough, you got there. Remember you, I guess you fell asleep in the airport, right, Matthew? Yeah, in the back of that limo, I fell asleep and on the road to trip back. They gave me some amnesty. They knew that I'd quite enjoyed the night before.

Yeah. Oh, how fun. That movie. Oh, my God. But it was so memorable. Was that a character that you just came up with on the spot? Or was that something that was in your mind? You know, I mean, Wooderson?

Huh? And dazed? Woterson and dazed. So y'all know this as actors. Sometimes, you know, you study details of a character and other times it's just an impression. That character was based off a specific day when I was about 10 years old,

going to pick up, mom and I were going to pick up my brother, Pat, after school. His card broke down, so we were supposed to pick him up in the station wagon. And he wasn't where we were supposed to meet him. So as we're slowly driving through campus, I'm in the backseat looking at the back window. And I see this image of this guy in shadow leaning against the wall in the smoking section with one leg, one boot heel kicked up on the wall, the light shining through the bent knee, leaning back, kind of a lazy, long end. And I was like, whoa, he was like nine feet tall,

the coolest thing in the world. And I was my brother, Pat. And I remember going, there's Pat! And I stopped because I was like, oh, if I say his name, mom turns around, he's going to get his butt woke for smoking. So I didn't say anything. We just kept driving. But that image of who I thought my brother was through my 10-year-old eyes

when he was that much of an icon was who I based Twitter saw. And then Link Lider let you just, you know, was a lot of improv in that character. or was it all written? Yeah. I mean, because one of my favorite lines still to this day is, is you got to,

you got a joint, you're like, be cooler if you did. You're not cooler if you did. That shit is. Well, it just seems like the lines from that have followed you your entire career.

Like, isn't it wild how that happens? And it's like, yeah. It's iconic character with, here's how I, here's how I would see it, right?

It's like, it's like some people, like, let's use a rock star as an example. Was that your line? Was that your line? or was that a written line? I got to know. I don't think that scene was in there.

I don't remember about that. Didn't seem written. Here's the line that was in there that was the launch pad line. No, man, I get older. They stay the same age. Yeah. And I was like, I saw that line.

I was like, who is that guy who believed that? Yeah. There's a Wikipedia on him. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. But it's funny. Like, I think about musicians or pop stars or rock stars

who have a hit song. and then like 20 years later they got to play the hit song and after like some for some people it could be like oh my God I hate this I hate the song I hate it now I hate playing it I hate doing it

and to me there's certain certain iconic moments like I have it with almost famous like you know people yelling out it's all happening or you know all of that you know and with with days and confused you've got all right all right all right you've got I love them redhead

I mean, it's followed you. But, like, how are you, what's your relationship with that? Here's why I have a great relationship, especially with, all right, all right, all right. Those are the first three words I ever said on film. All right. That night, when I got called to set to do a makeup wardrobe test, which y'all know, aren't it doesn't mean you're working. It means the director's going to come over and check out your makeup wardrobe while he's on set or she's on set and then approve it and you come back when you're supposed to work. That's what that night was for me.

Well, Linkletter comes over, just hands out, starts going, look at you, okay, you get peach to be peach shirt, you got the peach pants, comb over, black panther tattoo, pipe runner. And I got like, this is Wooderson. Like, yeah, he goes, say, you know, Wooderson's guy who's probably been with the typical hot chicks in high school, you know, the cheerleader and most popular major, I'm like, yeah. And he goes, you think he'd be interested in the redheaded intellectual? I'm like, oh, yeah, man, Wooderson likes all types of chicks. And he's like, well, you know, Marissa Rabisi is playing the.

red-headed intellectual. And she's over here in the, uh, in the drive-thru with her friends in the back, and they're kind of nerdy and stuff. And I don't know, what do you think? Wooderson might pull up and pick her up. And I'm like, give me 30 minutes. And I went on a walk. And I was like, who's my man, who's my man, who's my man, right? So I next thing I know, I'm in the car. And about to do my first scene ever in film. And I, there's no lines. I'm just supposed to go pick her up. And I remember going my head silently going, who's my man? What am I about? And I go, I'm about my car. And I I said, well, I'm in my 70 Chevelle. There's one.

And then I'm like, I'm about getting high. And I'm like, well, Slater's riding shotgun. He's always got a nice doobie rolled up. There's two. And I said, I'm about rock and roll. I said, well, I got Nugent Stranglehold in the A track right here, man, there's three. And then I hear action. And I say, hear action.

I look up, and over at Marissa Ribisi, the red-headed intellectual, I'm going to go pick up. And into myself, I go, and I'm about picking up chicks. put it in drive, pulled out, and said, the affirmative for the three things I do have going to get the fourth. All right, all right, all right. No, lucky is that. I mean, a lot of people are known for picking their nose

and, you know, eat burgers when they're little kids. This guy gets all right, all right. That's pretty good. And I didn't know that night that if this, was just a one-off little one-night hobby I was going to be a part of and that was going to be it for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Years later, it's turned into a career. So that's the callback to the very first words I ever said on film. I'm like, yes. Say them anyway, brand them put him on a t-shirt. Yeah. Yell them across the street. How, I'm, yes.

That's such a healthy. Love that, yeah. Really nice, yeah. It's so, it's like filled with, with gratitude, you know? Brewster, when he, when Matthew found that success, was everyone in the family happy? Do you give him shit? Was it, you know, I mean,

you watching performances. Oh, man. It was, it was so much fun in the beginning. I mean, I think it's not fun now, but I mean, you know, you're like, I mean, you know how the thrill, especially if you're not in that, that world. I mean, it's just like, it was just, the funnest time I really, I remember he called me on the golf course, and I'm going to get kind of Terry out here, maybe. And I was playing golf, and he got that deal for time to kill. And it was like, Because, you know, he didn't have to struggle as long as, like, a lot of people do, because he was hitting it and he worked hard. But when he got that deal, I guess it was Warner Brothers, and when he said, I got this job with time to kill. And it was just like, you know, I had, and, of course, you know, we had all our, so many people because he was just, you know, he was just one of the guys, which he still is one of the guys, but he's got to kind of, you know, poor guy's got to watch the shit now, you know, because everybody's trying to pull down the guy on top of the pole, you know.

And so everybody was just, I mean, the golfer guy, man, my brother got, he got this goddamn three deal deal and done, and then because, you know, I had so many people rude for him. And when you got the time to kill, I was on a par three, 201 yard old. And I think I whipped it after that whenever you told me, but I was so excited when you told me you got that deal.

I mean, it was when we had the old flip phone, but it was, I mean, it was, I mean, it was, We got to do it together. We got to do it together. It was just, you know, like I guess, you know, it was just the storybook kind of deal. We got to do it. All of us got to, like, do it together. And it was just so neat.

We wished her dad would have been there. Yeah. But I'll tell you this, you know, you probably know it. But another cool thing about why I love days and, like, lines that follow me. Five days into shooting, five days after that night, all right, all right, all right. I get the call from mom says your dad died I go home

that's when Rooster and I come together and after a few days they're like get your ass back dad would want you to go finish the job and get your ass back and go so I drove back from Houston and ended up working and that first night back was the night that I threw out

the Just Keep Living Line and the football was feeling because I was thinking about how to deal with dad's death. Oh God so this movie is filled with your per with this personal, personal things. You know, I mean, firsts and lasts, honestly. Well, but that was time to kill, right? No, that was.

Well, that was days. Oh, that was on days. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so your dad didn't even get to see any of your success. But he was alive five days. There was an overlap. And I always, this is always giving me some peace of mind. Before that time, you know, dad, dad, I really, I promise you,

I really need the skateboard elbows and the knee pads. and act, because I'm going to really work at it. I'm really going to be a skateboarder. And I know, you sure said, yeah, I promise you to, he'd buy him for me. I didn't follow up on skateboard. And everything I, like, solicited him to please help get me were just little hobbies that I forgot. Right.

Never followed through him. So all of a sudden, he's alive five-day overlap for the thing that I started that became more than a hobby, became a career. So I'm always like, he was alive when I started what I would finish. Was it, was it sudden that he did something? He wanted him to beat him in a minute or like commercial. Back then when they had those good commercial with the athletes memories. Oh, man, they're all getting famous to get me in one of them mineral-lite commercials.

I'd say, good. That's the year. That's a year. That dream was to have a shack on the beach and Navarre Beach sell oysters on the half-shell, gumbo, and middle-or-light in a can. Yeah. And you're going to tell you something else that y'all don't know. The Navar Beach, he's talking about Navar Beach. My oldest son, who was closer to his age, five years different, he ran over this guy with a jet ski.

And he has a, and I'm talking, has a scar all the way. 78, 50s. Oh, my God. And you can always tell when he's getting pissed because that scar will get rid. That's so. Ran right over and had to hold him up and drowning. And my dad's running up down the beach going,

he's son of a bitch, Madison, I told you. Stay away, stay away. Wait, I had no idea that was a scar. Yeah. And check this out. You know, it rains in Florida in the afternoon. afternoon. They pull me out. I'm unconscious. They pull me out of the water. I'm like, hey, everything's okay. We get in the car. Dad starts driving down that highway. Those Florida

monsoon comes. And dad's doing about 90. And I'm like, what's going on? I'm still in shock. What's going on? It's not a big deal. And I reach up to grab. I kept trying, I can't get the water out of my eyes. I can't get the water on my, but it was blood. And my eye was kind of sagging. And I reach up to the vanity mirror to lower it to look. And when dad reaches over and goes, no and lowered and right and he did that i went oh must be so bad and i remember starting crying and the lump goes up the back my head five minutes later he whips off the highway into this little one story looked looked like a realtor shop goes in carries me in sew him up the guy goes so him up i don't know you're talking he got him sew him up right now it was a veterinarian

Oh, my God. You know, Madison, my oldest boy was kind of bad. He knocked him out with a golf club another time. No. Yeah. Madison's trying to take him out of his career, two, three times without no way. You guys still, you guys, it just explains so much. You guys still playing golf?

I know, Matthew, do you still play? I don't make the time to do it that much anymore. Yeah. We did that pretty steady, though, getting together. rooster pat night are you guys an emotional family just in general i mean is everyone okay to cry around each other and you know even growing up and all that or is the whole emotions tight i think we're pretty loose i think we're you know we can be pretty loose sometimes you you wait too long to get it out you know but we have a rule that especially after that my

mother said when our dad died she sat us boys down she said listen i'm tired of being the goddamn third will because my dad and us boys would go and mom would be you know would kind of be left out and when dad died she sat us down and she said let me tell you all something i want to be one of the boys and i want y'all to i don't want y'all hold nothing back nothing i want to you talk to me like one of the boys and i want to be one of the boys and people to go how can you talk to your brother that way and go well she likes it she she doesn't want us not to do that and we have a deal which my wife he can't hardly believe it. Whatever we'll sit around and drink and carry on

and we get in some loud, loud arguments. I mean some, I'm talking about gooden, that people would think you're never going to get over. Get real loud, yeah. And the next morning, whatever it is when you're drinking, the next morning you've got a clean slate. Boom, it's over.

You walk in, raw, hey man, how's it going? You don't go back on it. Nobody in our family ever held a grudge. That's the thing. So like you with the roosting, you don't, it was over. You handle it that night. You get it out. And if it may come, tears may fall, but you wake up the morning, everyone's clean slate.

And you never bring it up on somebody and go, like later on, you're not allowed to go. Well, remember that time you did tons, uh-uh, that you will get a buttwop and bring it up on somebody. That's actually a great. I like that. I like that, I like that a lot. So when you wrote green lights, you went out for 22 days, no electricity, correct? 52 total days Yeah the first one was a 12 day trip

To a place with no electricity Just me and me with the generator and a printer And all my diaries And I was just to go see what the hell it was And what I had Okay Wow And in that I found stories

People, places, prescriptions, poems, prayers And about 216 bumper stickers Wow Wow So what, and so what, what inspired you to, to write a book? I'd been daring to write, daring myself to write one for the past 15 years and just didn't have the courage to go do it. So I've been keeping all those diaries and all those beer coasters and napkins and places I took notes over the past 35 years.

I've been keeping them in a treasure chest and always took it with me and had it right next to my office, but always look at it and be like, ah, maybe, you know, when I die, maybe Camilla or somebody will read to that stuff. And if any of it, it's worthy to share, they'll share it. And then I was like, one day, I was looking in that damn treasure chest was barking at me. And I had about two weeks free time. And without even saying it, Camilla came up to me. She goes, yep, you know what you got to do. Get the hell out of here.

Take the chest. Pack up your cooler and your food. Get out of here. Don't come back until you got something. And so the next morning I headed out. And like I said, we went out to go find out what it was. And where did you go? I went out to,

Fort Davis, Texas, where I was conceived, where after 16 years of dry, I've tried to arts, pop, maybe something's dick. I went out there where I was conceived. Yeah. And the first 12 days. And then after that, the different 10, 11, 9-day trips all totaling up to 52 days. Did you go home in between? I would go back, handle things in between.

Okay. It's back up. And then you'd head out and have no internet, no nothing for 10. So the things that you would write, because this is fast, to me because, you know, I'm not dissimilar in that way. The problem is I just don't write it down. I have so many different thoughts in my mind that I wish that I had recorded somehow, right? Do you, when you go through this chest, I mean, are there just moments, like, moments,

and then just thoughts and revelations and what did this chest look like? There's moments, there's one-liners, there's when I say prescribes, They're like things, the wisdom that I've learned. There are lyrics, which are most of the, like the bumper stickers. There are poems from 1988. There's prayers I've had. Like I said, there's people I've crossed on those four years on the road. And there's trailer park stories.

There's stories of, like some we've talked about today, which sound like a red light moment as a green light. Or were a red light moment, dad passing away. Red light moment. But it's very clear to me now that I probably wouldn't be sitting here. if my dad didn't pass away then because his moving on took away the crutch of me relying on things that since he was alive his moving on i had to man up and activate those things that he was teaching me because i didn't have that crutch of him anymore um so that's a green light asset of his

moving on um and i just that's the central theme because so many places where i was like oh this was so hard it was obviously revealed that oh as you said it a while ago eight months of hell for you you you wouldn't give it back. Why? Because it was a... You got inside, right? You had that resistance time that you wouldn't give back.

So I do believe that all of our red and yellow lights in life, whether it's this life or the next, will eventually turn green. That's a great concept. Oh, Matthew. That's a really, really great concept. It's so fun for me

because, like, we've known each other a long time and even though we don't spend time together, like, you know, I was 20... How old was I, 21, 22? and you're 10 years older than me, I think. And it's like, I mean, that was 20, almost 20 years ago. And from where we were then to where we are now, there's been so much growth.

And like just even having this conversation with you and what? Did you guys ever have a situation? No. Come on. No. Ever? No. Never working together.

I get asked all the time too. You're both hot. You're going up with some more shit to cut. More shit to cut. No, we never, we never, not even close. No. No. You're a pot-stern son of a bit.

Yes, sir, I am, and I revel in that. It wasn't her fault you went through that year to shit. You're a cop-sterned. When we were, when we were doing How to Lose a Guy. Everyone wants to know. I do. I was with Chris when we were doing How to Lose a Guy. And then when we were doing Fool's Gold,

he was with Camilla And that's actually she came out That was the first trip out wasn't it Never the right time That she ever, that I ever had Someone with me besides my dog on a set Oh yeah And and it was

I mean for me it was like Oh Matthew has a girl here Like it was like This is serious You don't see that You know And I remember

I remember seeing her For the first time down that little street and she was wearing this hot little black tight dress. Do you remember that dress? I remember it. Do you remember it? And we all went out that night and we played pool and we got wasted. And this is actually really good. This is a good Matthew story. Well, there's funny stories of you guys scuba diving and jellyfish. There's so many funny stories. We've got a million. And actually it's so fun because I've been thinking about them. Like how about when you went to Papua New Guinea, we had like a break and Matthew went out to Papua New Guinea, which

Of course, I was like, please don't get killed. Okay, let's first of all. Let's finish the movie. First of all, we've got to finish the movie. Second of all, he comes back. He'd taken up surfing, and he would have been, you've been surfing a lot, and he came back with a scab down his back that you, I mean. Oh, a re-fri-free.

But it was, this wasn't a refra. This was like a gash. It was like a gash the size of his eye. And the whole makeup department was like, he's got to have his shirt off, like this whole movie, you know? I was like, what are we going to? It was like, you know, like latexed, like, but Matthew, okay, so the first night,

the first night we all went out, we were out at the bar and I talked to Camille a little bit, and she was shy, you know, it's like, you know, because there was no, she was just meeting us for the, you know. Anyway, we all had a little bit more to drink than you should. And, you know, we're in the middle, we're at the edge of the world. And, and all of a sudden Matthew gets up on a chair,

and he goes, everybody? my lady can't find her purse and the whole bar just stopped do you remember this yes I did yeah okay somebody took her

somebody took her purse and we're sitting there and he he I mean he did it it was a Matthew moment like it was a whole monologue and it was like declaring like this is my woman

and you're going to give the purse back whoever has it wherever it is I'm not saying anybody took it you know in Matthew's diplomacy and this woman sitting next to me the whole bar is quiet she goes and he's literally

on the bar and she goes is this it and he goes good woman thank you very much the whole bar just continued I was like okay he's gonna be with this girl for a while but yeah I mean that's why

no we never never well before we before we get going just I want to your guys take on sort of spirituality I guess you know because you have are you guys religious is there a spirituality that you sort of partake in, you know, is it just the human condition?

Where are you guys at? Yeah, I'm a pretty, I'm a good old Methodist boy. Yeah. You know, we like everybody, you know, good, you know, it's fine. It's pretty easy. I always recommend people that if they want to learn anything about the Bible, I would start with, I like, I learn more reading the children's Bible than I did. I read the Bible one and a half times.

and and uh but i always i i say read the children's bible just give you the basics don't overthink the religion you know and you want to believe you know if you don't want to believe and shit don't read your son of a bit but if you want to believe then give it a break you know because i mean it is it contradict itself but i mean i'm just saying you want to believe then you want to believe you know and i make when i see an atheist i go well you know hope there's more of you because that'll give me a better chance of getting in there so many of them going to make it has a goddake i'm going to promote that shit man because i ain't all that good i ain't going to be first choice you know but i sure wouldn't mind being one of the

last ones to get in yeah and what about you matthew you myself is you know i think with the travel lot of the traveling i've done the people i've met um i'm definitely uh you know we were raised methodist christian but i am not at the exclusion of of another path to where it is that we may or may not be going, nor am I arrogant enough to say that I know that there is a place. I would say more of an optimistic mystic. I've spent my time as an agnostic as well, which was also very good for me because, if anything,

it wasn't because I quit believing. It was that from the agnostic point of view, I needed to take more responsibility for my own self-determination. I was letting myself slide too much at times. I need to put my hand. You never told mother that. You never told mother that. I didn't tell mom that.

I think she know. I mean, I think, well, like I said, I didn't quit believing during those times, but I did take some time off to go, okay, if you don't have, if you don't have that crutch or you don't have that possibility, what are you doing about it right now? Well, with your hands on the wheel, McConaughey. And to me, that pleased God. I took the time off to go, I got to put my hands on the wheel, make sure I'm being responsible for myself

and not just believing in the fate of it all. So, yeah, optimistic mystic. Turned into another green light. That's right, that's right. And then before we do a quick speed round, I just want to talk about J.K. Living, just because you've been out this a long time and you're so passionate about it.

Let's talk about the foundation a little bit and what you're sort of doing right now with it. Yep. So we have the after school foundation in Title I high schools. These are schools that are 50% dropout rates, lower income areas. Most of all the young men and women are on the food program at the school. We're giving them a safe place to go after school twice a week where they make an exercise goal, which may be, hey, I can't even run half a mile, but I want to make the soccer team. All right, we're going to help you get in shape enough where you can make the soccer team.

another girl may come and go, I need to lose three pounds in the next two months so I can fit my prom dress. All right, we're going to help you lose three pounds. You can fit your prom dress. Nutrition-wise, hey, your mom bought five burgers last night and fries for 40 bucks. We're going to take you to the supermarket with 40 bucks, show you how you can purchase a healthier meal and you get to go home and cook it together. Third one's community service.

They have to do community service within their area. And the final halo over the whole foundation is gratitude. and the kids all sit around and this is kind of the coolest part of it. They all sit around and say one thing they're thankful for as we've done many times before dinner and stuff

say something you're thankful because we believe that the more you're thankful for the more you're going to create in your life to be thankful for. And we are in 39 schools in the United States I think about just over 10 cities. And so far it's working

and we're trying to fulfill a need way we can. That's great. And do you have a gratitude practice with you? Do you do you practice gratitude every day? Yeah, we do it for meals. Just everyone hold things and say, say a thank you for something.

And you know, you know how that is. The very least it makes the food taste better. Yeah. Yeah, and it's fun to hear what the kids come up with. I always take a little taste to be sure I'm going to thank for. Well, you know what else? It also, you realize that when you don't do it, because sometimes you get busy and you're like, you forget or something, the kids are always the ones that are like,

we didn't do that. You're like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. And you know that he's got a podcast called Hank the Cow Dog. Roosters really likes it. I love it. John Erickson, this guy in West Texas wrote these children books years ago.

And Jeff Nichols, who directed Mud, came to me about five months ago. And he's like, I've got the rights to these stories. And it's got this lead dog on the ranch who, and he's Hank. And he sort of figures out these mysteries on the ranch and stuff. And they're going through schools as educational tools for teaching. and these values to kids. And so our second episode just came out on Apple.

Oh, it's great. Only audio. He's Hank. He's Hank. He's Hank. What's it called again? What's the name of him? Hank the cow dog.

Hank the cow dog. Since Corona started, the podcast, it's podcast mania. I've got one called Just Bullshit with Brewster Bucs. Well, everybody does, I'm tuning into that one,

just bullshit. Just bullshit. Because 90% of everything you worry about, if you'd have known this for those eight years you went through, if you'd realize that 90% of everything we're all freaking out about is just bullshit. A hundred percent that's bullshit. Of course. And if you didn't know, and I've always believed that.

If you got to remember that, I could have helped you. That's right. Well, it took a while. Ollie, I'm going to remind us. And he's talking, we're talking about COVID, right? And all these, hey, you can go back to work. And we should. we shouldn't, blah, blah, blah, blah.

He writes me this note, and I kept this through. This came in, I don't know, a couple weeks ago. Who is leading the country today? I'm not sure. I mean, for instance, take school reopening. The president passes it to the governor. The governor passes it to the mayor. Who passes it to the school board?

Who passes it to the parents? Who asks their children if they want to go to school? Hold on. I'm confused. By the way, that's fucking genius. So that should be, I want that. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, Quote that on my Instagram.

Oh, my God. All right, quick speed round. Ready? One word to describe the other. Resilient. That's how I describe, Roe. No, I describe you. It's pretty cool.

It's pretty cool. That's my bitch is pretty cool. I got to say that. It's pretty cool. One word to describe your relationship. It's a pretty connected. Connected. We don't have.

I can't do one word, but we don't have to talk each other every day. Yeah, love that, yeah. It is connected, that's true. And we don't have to, we don't have to, it can go, it can be months. It's never really months, but it can be months, and we pick right back up. And we know that there ain't no ulterior motive in the universe between us. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

No. I love it. You just pick right, pick right up wherever you left off. If your brother was an animal, what would he be? That's a good one. Badger. Me? Yeah, you're a badger.

You're a hummingbird. Shit. They move right left. That's my bird. I'm a hummingbird. Is it? That's my animal, yeah. That's dumb it's on his feet at all time, man.

Some of it can goddamn go forward back. He don't ever catch him off. Yeah, but you know what's so amazing about that? The hummingbird, even when it's moving, can be as still as anything else. Yes, I'm telling you, man. It, like, stays. He's on it at all. The guy's on it.

Do you guys fight it all? I mean, or is it pretty just a pretty, you know, even relationship? I mean, has there ever fights or arguments? We'll get arrested. We have to sit down and shit. Yeah. Well, well, remember, we were spread out enough where we didn't really fight. I had my bluffing.

I still have my bluffing. They didn't pull over. Yeah. We, we get, there's some, there's some wrestling matches that, that happened. And, and he's got a pain threshold of a bachelor, this guy. And then his deal is, I'll have him in a good chuckle, but he gets that pinky going back, going back, going back. I'm like, go, I don't know, take the gimmee before he does. I let him use all his gas up because he's running around trying to do it, and I'll just wait, wait, wait, and all he knows how to do is choke.

Right. This is Mr. Jiu-Jitsu, and he gets a chokehold. It's always a choke. He's got to get a hold of a choking. Oh, trust me. I've seen him in action at the El Dorado member guest in the ring where he choked out this little dude. I was like, oh, shit. He might die.

This little kid might die. No, no. Got called in the ring down there. This guy called him out. He held his own for sure. Matthew went. Oh, my God. He'll get that old red light.

I'll get all red and shit, and here he comes back to you. But he'll go after Pat. Pat will just pick up a damned old golf club and start swinging that way. Get away from me. Pat don't go for that. It doesn't have to me. Who's more laid back?

I'm getting a little too tired of it. Yeah. Okay, who's more laid back? Probably you. Everyone thinks I'm always black thing about it. I mean, you're pretty even keel. I'd say you're extremely even keel. I'm pretty intense on things

with that some people that go that think I'm always laid back No, I know, that's the misconception of you I think, yeah. I mean, I've had moments on set where I'm like, okay, I'm going to sit down for a second. I'm going to sit down, let him go through it.

Matthew is generally in I'm Stonewall Jackson. Oh my God, right, right. He's going to plan it. He's going to oversee it without, where I might, you know, if we're getting attacked, you might want me in there. I'm going to make a move. He may say, hold on a minute.

We've got to figure out our shit. So I would assume that from what I'm hearing, that rooster's probably a little bit more of the, like, you know, I would say probably more laid back. Am I? I think he's more even, even keel. Like he said, while I'm back trying to measure the architecture, the overall situation here,

Rooster's already, you know, got his head down the porcupine hole trying to bite that thing and pull it out. And desynthesizing, yeah, trying to defuse everything or whatever. Yeah. Would you rather live in the future or the past if you could not live in the present? I mean, where would you want to be? Would you rather be in like this? Oh, future.

Do we get some more brand new stuff? Yeah. Well, it's 66, you know. I mean, God damn, I could knock a few years off. First celebrity crush. Mine was Lisa Bonnet, Angel Hart. Oh, yeah. Oh, hot.

Man, I don't know what the deal is. What they say? You're Reba McIntyre. Goldie Hawn. And it's certainly, I was going to say it. You got a little old God, I hate it when you look. That'd be funny and he looks, you look, you look cross out.

I hate that shit. I just love her for it. All right, go-to drink. Miller light. Miller light. Yeah. Tequila. Tequila and Long Ranch bourbon, yeah.

Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. You're bourbon. I don't do a lot of whiskey because my words get out in front of me. Then I'm probably, you know, uh-oh. Did I just say that? I'm a bitch. I always say if I have too much whiskey,

I'm either going to get naked or going to get in a bad fight. It's going to be one or the other. It's never down the middle. Or a bad fight naked. That's a really good night. Rooster, what's the dose to the beer drunk and a whiskey drunk? Well, a beer drunk, you know, you can kind of, I mean, the thing of beer is an honest drink because you got to,

you have to stop to pee a lot, you know. I mean, you get full, you know, and if you eat, you're done. You know, with whiskey, shit, son of a bit, man, you just keep it going, you know, and it gets, and I drink it. I drink everything at the same feet. So the whiskey, I'm a little, you know, I used to drink two bottles scotch today back in the day. Oh, rooster.

I quit when I was 30. Yeah, I mean, I figured I wanted to drink every day for the rest of my life instead of I have to quit. So I'm out, I threw it down when I was 30 years old. That and cigarette. I feel like there's a punchline to this show. There's got to be a punchline though, Matthew. Were you going for a punchline?

Yeah, I'm looking for his real quote because he has one. And it's much more, uh, it's much more precise than that. Much more succinct. I was like, I can remember. what I say. Remember you said beer drunk, you know, you see trouble coming, da, da, dot, da, dot, and you can at least decide before you get in it, but a whiskey drunk, you don't know you're in trouble until tomorrow.

No, the whiskey drunk is, I mean, I'm saying your actions and your speech get out ahead of you, and you're looking, you're actually set back and you're observing going, did I really say that or did I really do that? Right. You know, and with beer, you know, you can catch yourself a little quicker, you know. Yeah. Okay, if you guys were to cast someone other than yourself in your movie, your life story, I already know who Rooster is to me.

I mean, like Woody Harrelson, I just would cast Woody as Rooster. But Rooster, who would you cast Matthew as in his life story? Aside from himself. Aside from himself. Red Pit or Cabuccino. What's Leonardo, Cabuccino? Leo Cappuccino. Leo Cappuccino.

Oh, Leon Cappuccino. The malaprobs are wonderful. Who would you cast your brother? Holy shit, Leon Cappuccino. That's going to be my new stage name. Who would I cast by Rooster? Yeah. What's his name?

Ken Kesey, Ken Kese. Ken Keezy. That'll work. final question we always end is so if you were to is a two-part question the first part is if there's something that you would want to take or emulate from your brother a quality a characteristic what would that be and the other part is if there's something you could relieve a stressor or alleviate from your brother that you feel would sort of give them some ease in their life What would that be?

What I wish I could take from you, man, is you got incredible common sense. I got some, but man, you can suss up a situation and base it, that baseline, a human situation better than anybody I've ever met. I've seen you defuse things that were absolutely about to explode, and I have no idea how you wrangled the entire situation and made sense of it to everybody. For you to de-stress, just you and mom both. You know, you got that quality that if the Dalai Lama invites you over to a private dinner for four for his 100th birthday, you and mom are damn convinced that that cake's for you.

And that you better, and that you have to be on that night and you have to perform that night. Oh, my God. You're bringing me back to premieres with your mom, you know. The one thing I remember the first time with your mom at a premiere, She was so proud, but it was, it was Mama's show, remember? I mean, I remember, oh, yeah. My mom's got one answer for me for all 54 movies I've ever done after she sees him. Right. That was good.

Thanks, Mom. Yep, yep. Once again, I know where you got it from. No, that's exactly right. All right, Ruth, what about you for Matthew? He really has discipline. You know, he can stay, he had, I'm watching. I've watched him operate.

He has discipline. You know, it's just his presentation is discipline. And I'm like, he's a cool dude, man. I mean, I mean, the guy just kind of, you know, regardless of what's going on that head of his, I mean, the guy is always, I think it's discipline. I admire that. I don't have that as much as he has it.

So I've always respected that. Matthew's got, you know, he knows where he is. What stress would you take from my life, take from it if you could remove it? The total stress that I would take from you? I don't know, what one thing that you're like on? Buddy, let me tell you, no, no, let me just tell you, I've all, and I've told you this. Man, if we could get rid of these fucking cell phones and you could be your goddamn cell. Woo!

In public, pal, that's what I wish to God for you. That is what I feel so bad for you is a fucking goddamn set up cell phone and shit. And what they can do with today is horrible. I just feel so sorry for you because I know how much of a people's person you can be and what you want to do. And yet you got to worry about somebody fucking taking into sit. You know what I'm talking about. Yes, cell phone.

I know. If I could get rid of cell phone from your goddamn life because you got so many people that just want to, people make so much money on negativity. Negativity is so much more fun to talk about the positivity to people, which to us, man, we love to talk about somebody hitting the fucking home run. We don't want to talk about that stomach striking out or sliding them, breaking its fucking leg, you know,

but a lot of people like negativity. And the cell phone has been a bad, bad deal for that. I love that. That's great. I'd love to see my little brother be able to walk down the goddamn street. Excuse me, I'm quite a quick cousin. and I call it COD, C-O-D-A-M, I'm kissing a fish, cod damn street, and be able to relax and be himself and not have to worry about it.

It's so great. That's so great, Rooster. You guys, thank you. I want to add to that because, you know, Matthew, that's such a great thing because Matthew has a quality that, like, anyone who knows him or has worked with him, that he, there's things that you do that sort of release your energy, and they're almost, like, spiritual.

Like, Matthew, when he wants to dance, like, you've never, seen anybody express themselves when they're dancing like more honestly and you're in it and it's just as expressive as it gets and you're in your and you have this sort of wild animalistic side to you that is so awesome that can be interpreted differently you know and so and so yeah so the cell phone's like the worst thing or you just say or you just say fuck it or you say fuck it yeah film away fucking film away watch this dance uh uh I feel bad for y'all, even y'all, you know what I mean? Because people are waiting.

We had a good run, though, without the iPhones. We had a good run with just the flip side. Anyway, you guys, thank you. Thank you, guys so much. This was really fun. Thank you, Matthew. All right, I'll see you guys. Later, guys.

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