Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - MMMBop with Hanson!

Episode Date: April 15, 2024

Twenty seven years to the day, the Hanson brothers released Mmmbop which was THE BOP! The siblings originally from Tulsa Oklahoma, have not only stayed together, they've stayed humble.In this episode, we delve into the pitfalls of fame they managed to sidestep, and what they learned along the way from legends like Carole King.Plus, find out how Kate and Oliver have a family connection with the famous siblings, and the Hanson brother who is also a musician but not in the band!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's an inspiring story that focuses on people as the core building blocks of the internet. Listen to There Are No Girls on the Internet on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. No, no.

Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory. That's good. I am so excited because these guys were like babies. Oh my god, mbop.

I mean... Umbop was... Umbop. I spelled O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O- M-B-O-P-I-N-B-O-P? I've changed the lyrics a little bit. But they were like when I think it was going on when you were already graduated from high school. I mean, they're 96 or 7. I was graduating from high school.

I was in college. Yeah. That's when they were like, you know, um-bop was like a big hit. Oh, I mean, I made love to many women from Boulder to un-bop. Ew. Why? Because that's what I would do. No, because that would be like, mm-bop, m-bop, m-bop, that's like how I made love. Yeah, by the way, you know Uncle Mark, I think it might have been a producer on that.

We need to ask that question. I think Uncle Mark either produced the elbow or I don't know. Something, yes. Are they? There's an unhansen connection here. Are they ready? Are they here? They're here.

Let's bring one. Let's open the door. Oh, look, are you guys are all together. I love it. Yeah. It's for better and worse. So where are you? We're in Oklahoma.

Yeah, we're in our studio. Of HQ, kind of, I mean, 20 years ago, we kind of get this space set up. When we went and independent, started a label, kind of brought more and more stuff in house. And were you all living in Los Angeles and then? decided to move to or no Tulsa's home Tulses are you know where we're from never never fully uprooted we lived we were living in New York before um we fully sort of returned to this station the home base now we've made a lot of records in L.A. and that usually feels like you live there because you're there long enough yeah yeah we're there for this record

well that was third record great to meet you or see you yeah I I I feel like I might have met you someone? Maybe. I'm sure we've we have definitely crossed paths and of course we have a deep connection with your uncle Mark

who we love. That we were just trying Ollie's I was like no he produced didn't he produce him right with you guys? Yeah so yeah so Mark Hudson your uncle produced middle of nowhere this time around snowed in and finally

it's Christmas with us all so all four of those albums he's he's been a and a good part of our lives or better or worse or better most of the time and occasionally there's some jokes in there yeah oh my god they're not he's nuts i mean well he's he's a hudson he's a hudson i mean you know you know how much shit i get into all the time actually just recently you know i mean we're it it's just goes with the territory we love it we love it no no it's perfection for that it's i was i said to all i'm like there's you know, there is a deep Hudson-Hansson connection here.

Yes. And I've just recently connected with my sister and my brother and like everyone's in music. I mean, we're just out of the Hudson thing is just, I don't, I don't know what it is. Sarah, everyone writes and there is kind of this like through line of pop in our family. It's like the Hudson's love a pop song. yeah just have a good sense of it like about connection we can go a little further and say the hudson's know how to create a great pop song 100% it's not just like a lot of people like music those people aren't very good at it well it's funny because on our on our podcast the intro

uncle mark wrote and did oh my gosh he did real real quick real quick and i don't think i've even told the story ever our podcast. Our relationship with that was, our father was a little bit strained, which means that we were not seeing our uncles very much. We were at this local diner that we always go to, my family. This dude comes up in a rainbow beard. I'm like, holy shit, I think that's my fucking uncle. He's like, Ollie, hey, it's Uncle Mark. I'm like, oh my God, Uncle Mark, and we're hugging. I'm like, I haven't seen him in a thousand years. Right. I'm like, where do you live? He's between New York and L.A. said, where do you live in L.A.? He goes, I live in Brentwood. I said,

I live in Brentwood. I said, where are you live? Where in Brentwood? He goes, I live in this place called, I live in this place called be, beep, beep, beep, beep, which is Morris Code. And then he goes, I live in the same place. And then he, I said, what street do you live on? He goes, I live on. Ollie. And he goes, I don't care.

Come visit me. Come to my house. I don't care. Turns out, my uncle lives 200 yards from me. Oh, my. I mean, and I would run the neighborhood, which is like a little. little loop and there was this car that stood out in my memory and it said the thing and it said what the on the back which is what my dad and his uncles used to say all the time and i'm like

that is so crazy it's familiar and i'm not putting it together and then boom he lives 200 yards from me oh my gosh the universe has spoken i love how you said this guy walks up in a rainbow beard and that like anyone else you know has a rainbow beard you know I know one guy with a rainbow beard it's Mark that's it yeah I might be in the world I mean there's very few only person I know that true daily color match his outfit to the color of his hair right yes right there you know so okay so let's start now you guys started how old were you when you released your first single.

Okay, when we released our first, like, major record, I was 16, Taylor was 14, and Zach was 11. But we started actually singing together and performing together and even recorded stuff in that kind of first year in 1992 when I was 11, Taylor was 9 and Zach was 6. That's insane. It's a family. How did this happen?

Like, let's go to even further back. How did this even happen? Nobody knows, I mean, you guys have been around, you know, obviously entertainment, music, creative stuff. It's hard to necessarily say, and like, this is the moment because to us it was, yes, there were definitely moments, but you're surrounded by a sense of creativity. Another one of our parents were professionals in the sense that they were earning them, earning money as musicians or artists, but they were some moments. They kind of tried that a little bit. I think the singing was in the DNA and I think the strange thing that we had, we told the story many, many times, but it's kind of, of an isolated one, which is we, our dad took a job that took him outside of Latin America,

Oklahoma, a lot of oil and gas companies. And so he took a job nobody wanted, which was go audit companies in Latin America. He took his young family. And here we are in Latin America for a year, basically isolated from reality. Like anybody else, no peer, you know, we're not watching whatever's on TV. We're not listening. We're in this kind of completely changed environment. Some cases kind of cool. Some cases kind of not so cool. And we had basically, our mom had basically grabbed a few different things that were sort of, you know, things that we could take that were cultural references. One of them was this compilation of music from the late 50s. It was a rock and roll album. It was a time of life. It started with Johnny Be Good. And so we heard, we essentially had

this sort of accidental immersion in sort of the beginning of what pop and rock and roll music really sort of we now know it as. It was Chuck Berry. It was Otis Redding. It was Riverie Franklin. And most importantly, it's two and a half minute pop songs. So if you all learn how to write a good song. It's the condensed 12 barblers get to the chorus. Don't get to the chorus kind of version. And yeah, there's some of them that are deeply sophisticated, but for the most part, it's kind of like if you could condense a pop songwriting course

into a 20 song, you know, compilation, that's probably about as good as you're good. And Kate, talking about the connection to pop music, I mean, there is from that moment on, I mean, the sort of Hanson connection with pop is that, you know, when we say pop music, we're talking about pop writing, like song hooks creation. And now people, if you sort of, in the last 30 plus years, you know, whenever someone talks about what's your favorite pop song, they associate production, right? Madonna or, you know, something very slick.

But we go back to like, what's a song? Like, it's a hook. It's sort of finding that essential thing. And it's, we got into a fight with us and could. That was in the A list about what pop music was. That's way back. Yeah. Oh, really?

Yeah. We were debating that pop songs were much broad. I would love to know Ashton's point of view. Take on pop. He's probably just going to tell you that I almost broke his leg. And he wouldn't be lying. I accidentally pushed him off of a riser. Long history of getting, you got Rob Schneider.

It's not intended physical violence. It's just a drummer thing. We've been taught since a very young age. Hitting things is how you get the right thing to happen, right? Just get it. And so I just, you know, I'll just. man no way you know you kind of show you know you're just being playful and then you realize oh you're not 11 anymore you're 18 and that that's really what it was is that zach had been

drumming and playing since we you know since he was on stages since such a little kid and all a sudden he'd get this burst and he's this bigger human we'd have to be like Zach you can't push people like that yeah you will hurt them it's like why so you're just going to play chicken and climb on your shoulders you're the size of a man you just haven't figured out that yet but I see I know what you're saying like the actual creation of a great pops I mean obviously the Beatles like they're just I mean beginning yeah yeah you know and I forget I think it was Paul who said like you know you if you have them singing the chorus by the time the song is over the first time you played it you've created a good pop song right right

absolutely done did you guys write all your stuff or did you have help or how did that all work We always wrote, but actually, I mean, the connection, that first record, we were, you know, sort of encouraged to write with, collaborate with writing with other people. But, I mean, the first, for instance, the first song that we kind of, you know, introduced us to the world unbop was a song we wrote completely. And so for us writing was, I mean, of course you write. It wasn't, it wasn't an extra. It was a, what are you going to do? You can write songs. But we had a really great experience.

I mean, amongst other things. Mark was one of the first people. was one of the first collaborators that we had the chance to write with. And, of course, he had written Living on the Edge with Aerosmith, which we were obsessed with that record with Gettogne. It was 96 when we made that. Exactly. And so we then, we worked with Wilden Man. Weil and Man, which was amazing.

Unfortunately, we lost Cynthia this year. But she, I mean, that, that duo, that husband and wife duo, the amount of songs that just the two of them wrote, not to mention the whole Doffin and King connection. They were, they were, no, the Brill building writer. I mean, they were one of the most, you know, most successful songwriting pairs of in history with on Broadway and, I mean, on and on. And then Ellen Shipley, we wrote a song with, she, she wrote a bunch of Benalinder Carlisle hits and things of that nature. And we wrote a song with her. And then also guy named Cliff Magnus, who we wrote a song called Madeline. But I mean, I think, I think music, we were talking about this yesterday, Isaac and I, that we, you know, we love, we're real, we're like a real rock and roll band.

grew up in a garage band literally garage band you got to play was free all the things we all use now um so we had to but we didn't grow up admiring you know sort of inge with like speed solos we were admiring songwriters like we were listening to motown and early rock and roll and so our sort of idols were those craftsmen you know and so everything billy joel really you know became billy joel and james taylor and like people that just wrote incredible you know melodies that lasted and so that was always kind of our measure of what it meant to sort of achieve. So when we got into the room with amazing people, I think one of the things that blew me away the most about it was learning that sort of once you're in the room

with someone, regardless of whether or not they have a history, like all you have is what you did today, right? And even like Carol King, we've written a couple songs with Who's a Wonderful Human and obviously, you know, incredible, incredible human as a creator, who really aspired to that. Yeah, she's Carol King and she's like, you know, here I am. Here me. me roar but she's she's like this we're going to write a song and we're all peers and that in that moment you just have whatever it is you're going to create and I think it's incredibly humbling and for the writers that don't behave that way I think the results show oh yeah it's like you know it's and so you mean that you don't write with them again yeah exactly but it's the collaborative spirit of

you know you get it's such a gift to create music and create art because you learn how to walk into a room with nothing and then try to make something. I don't know. That, I think, is the addiction. Hey, it's your favorite Jersey girl, Gia Judice. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Rule Star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest.

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I'm so sorry. Can you out petty them? Can you match their pettiness for funsies? Yeah. We had so much fun last season, laughing, crying, talking to some new and old friends. Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were just supposed to hug and I was standing. Oh, yeah. And I was like, can I also hug them?

I'm like, this f*** has no one. And this time around, we are, say it, Melissa. Should I? Say it. Getting a little more better. Oh, finally. It's all the dressing room talk you've loved in season one. All the things.

Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better? Listen to more better on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I love what you're saying because what my, I just, I finished now, album. I took half years in the making. And one of the first things was I wrote with Linda Perry and my partner, Danny. Yeah. And I'd never collaborated. All the music I've ever written was me alone. Right.

Either at my piano, like campfire guitar songs, kind of like what I can play on the guitar and my computer, you know. But I have, I mean, I probably have thousands of songs at this point that I have never seen, like heard from at no one's even heard them right but when i finally decided to do it and linda's we we kind of approached the process with like just like a totally blank slate and i'd never had someone actually kind of when you say that like the collaborative spirit but i there was something particular about linda perry where she just kind of powers through something.

She never gives you too long to overthink. And for those of us who like to overthink, she's already on to the next. No, well, keep going. She's very experienced now, especially now in a week first connected with her years ago, almost 20 years ago.

And she's rad. And she's, yeah, totally rad. But she has so much experience supporting, like, sort of there's being in the hot seat, right? And being sort of like you think about guys that are doing their, you know, golf thing. They love golf and like, I mean, I could kick that guy's, but well, do it on the day that

you have to do it in front of a thousand people. Now you're a pro golfer. It's like with writing and producing. Yeah. You're like, yeah, I got ideas. And now it's Tuesday. And, you know, Monday was terrible. And you just thought the fact that you just said golf because I'm really tough. Well, maybe you don't think about the comparison to like average to pro. It's like this idea of like you have to show up. Like even if you don't, you don't have to like write a kid every day. but you when you're when it's the moment and you've been the producer like she has and the writer and you're you're called by the label hey come on collaborate how you know have a you know be a part of this project and they she's learned how to be the partner okay kate i think what you're talking about too is especially in your scenario where it's kind of it's kind of uncharted territory a little bit for you i think she probably has the the awareness as you said the experience to go no no no this is we she's she's helping you to kind of not to find you. Yeah,

to find you and not find the self-conscious you because I tell you what, one of the things that concerns me the most is

when I watch, I've watched this countless times with friends of mine who are great artists who they walk up on stage and they play this song and it's great.

And they get in the studio and they are only as good as the other person on the other side of the glass is feedback. They can't, they can't figure out how to just be who they are

and be okay with it. And I'd like, microscope it's the microscope exactly so i think what linda's doing for you in that case is she's going no no no you got this stop thinking about it just go just keep move keep walking yeah and the importance of being bad i think too like the importance of just like being like whoa that was not terrible but the freedom in knowing that when you're going for something or hitting it's like it's like when you're channeling it you know it's like you got to kind of break the barrier until then everything sort of the floodgates open and then that melody comes

or the word that it becomes that hook, you know, presents itself. Well, I've been trying to reduce. Preciousness is a dangerous thing. Yes. You know, I remember it just, a particular song jumped in my mind. We had this great piece of a song and it was sitting around for years and years and years. And I remember Isaac said, let's finish it. I said, as long as I can break it.

And he goes, don't break it. I love this song, right? And so we got in this argument over breaking it. And I came back a few minutes later and I go, breaking it just means changing this. And it was like, oh, that work. Are you talking about on the road? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no, no. Thank you for breaking it, by the way. Thank you for breaking it. It got a lot better. Fear has no place in creativity. I assume that's true on the stage or in front of the camera, but it's definitely true with writing a great story and a song and performing. better to go for the note and kind of fail because the opportunity if you if you try without fear to just get something that that no one else would do is is the thing that goes from kind of mediocre or good to kind of timeless i think if you're afraid to if you're afraid to stick the landing you'll never stick the landing that's right you're right fear fear stops i mean look for me art is all like you there is no such thing is measuring is measured

art like you have to just dive in head first or it will never happen you know and you're you know so you have to risk it failure and you're going to get criticized and you're going to be you know there's going to be it's going to be a roller coaster but that's the whole point you know that's that's the picture of the beast well yeah I have abandonment issues so you know that hinders me a lot I have I have fear of abandonment issues. Wait, you have a fear of abandoned issues? If we haven't abandoned him over here,

if we haven't abandoned him at this point, right? We did this, decades of not abandonment. I don't think it's solvable. I think we should give you some abandoned issues. Exactly. I think it's not, it's not us. Like, we haven't gone anywhere. Yeah, that's probably the problem, actually.

Okay, so you guys have a huge career. You start 90s. seven mbop comes out yeah yeah how does this affect your you know and like personal lives you guys as brother right who lost her virginity first right yeah that one that one uh that one we'll probably say off the mic but um no i think there's so many honestly there's so many things i've heard to describe many of different ways but um one i would say and again you guys both have again, I think just such an interesting perspective because being in the industry,

I think this is probably true across just reaching any kind of fame. To some degree, a certain level of fame is sort of just like a trauma, right? It's not, it's wonderful. It's an incredible gift, but your brain, I think, experiences something so dramatic

and so extreme that if you do not know why you're there, I think it obviously, you know, we've seen on many stories, people just kind of can implode because no one's meant to sort of live in a world where they're just really the most important thing in the world to the world. It's too much, right? There's just no person that can be that. And when you have a particular set of moments where, you know, we've had a couple

where you're like, wow, this is insane. This is on the lips of all these people. That first song was number one in 27 countries at the same time. Crazy. And so what you have to do, the gifts we had, like honest, going back to songwriting, honest, the greatest gift that we were given, I think, was having been the authors, having been the writers, having, that when we were getting that. sort of, that what felt like to the world, like a zero to 60, you know, you know,

jump, which it was a huge jump. We were still talking about something that was ours. It wasn't like some Svengali was like, this is what you're going to do, kid. And that allowed us in a way to evolve from ourselves to the next ourselves, right, to the next record. It wasn't, now we're going to be ourselves if as that happens. And frankly, I think the relationship with a lot of our fans, you know, we have every record, every record, every song is a high and a low. it's a roller coaster it's a lot how old were you guys when that when when when when you hit it when

bob came out yeah so it was 16 14 and 11 right so who was your who was your touchstone like who was who looked after you i mean who was the one who you guys could go to we had our at that point we our parents were with us all the time and they had our dad had quit his job when we got our record deal well it was really once it was really i think right as it was getting released he kind of said okay i'm because he had done he'd kind of done remote work um he he he had had a very good relationship with his boss and was able to kind of keep, and he's also a very hardworking person. So he was able to do work while in California, uh, while we were making our record. And then, and then he kind of made that transition. Once it looked like the record was

really going to work, he was like, I can't, I can't allow. Yeah, I can't allow my kids to just be sent off with, you know, without supervision. And so he was kind of the primary, but our mom was there a lot. Well, all the riblings were there a lot. The combination, I mean, you have to go back to, I mean, who we all all of us are a combination of two you know at some level and with our what we had with our folks is our dad is extremely dutiful kind of a frustrated poet uh but learned to be an accountant and kind of be a good provider dad guy uh which she doesn't really like but he can just work through it and our mom who is like we call just uncageable bird like she is like she cannot live in a box of any kind and she's incredibly gifted as a singer and chose really to do 100% be a

filmmaker to be a, you know, to not pursue a career outside of that. Although she had full, she had a full ride to North Texas thing, which is a prestigious prestigious musical school. Yeah. Like the band snorkey puppy, for example, was this crazy great like jazz funk. Yeah, they're all there. They, uh, you know, they're all North Texas state guys. I mean, so it's a music school.

Yeah. So, so mom's amazingly gifted a singer, but really, really committed to family. And so when, when things started to happen, it was like we had this woman that would basically walk up to anyone in any situation and be like, yeah, let's do this. And a dad that would be like work ethic, you know? So the two was kind of who we are in a way. It's like we're fearless work ethic. Yeah. Fearless work ethic. How many siblings altogether? We're the oldest three of seven. Yeah. So there are four younger than I think it's sort of an interesting thing. I think they did a service to us maybe more than we did to them in that we had this fairly large close network. Right. So

everywhere we went. We'd travel to the UK or to Japan or wherever and for a long time all those siblings would come with us, right? They'd go on field trips to castles and things and we'd be doing radio tours and do radio shows but when it came to that evening

for dinner or you know, a board game or a video game you still had a little brother there and a little sister and kind of this network of people where it seemed a little normal but not did they like travel?

with you guys or was there resentment later in life of like look we had a life too you know what i mean like you guys took over our shit podcast with our other sip yeah they'll tell you the truth those guys are tyrants and i think it was hardest on our little brother we have a brother who is nine years younger than i am and he's actually a very talented musician and didn't really decide to lean into music for a really long time because he didn't know how to be a music person as the brother of the music guys. I mean, I joke that Mac is like the favorite Hansen of anybody that meets him.

So Mac Hansen is incredibly talented. But yeah, him being the other brother, so you're much younger, three other sisters, most of which are not super outgoing, not super like front, you know, I want to be on stage. But Mac is like a walking, you know. He's still bored of. Let's just say, let's just say your uncle Mark

and our brother, Mack, get along really, really well. That says everything. He doesn't have a rainbow beard. No, but he's wild. He probably could. He could pull it off. I think the truth is you just, you don't know what your trauma, what your traumas are until later, I think. And I'm sure.

We try not to use that word on our podcast. Oh, God. It's a triggering word. That's the wrong word. Is it a trigger for us in. I don't know what our challenges are until I'm against them. That's a good pivot. But our negative social experience.

We have always our normal has been a little weird. And for the most part, I think the family, the brothers and sisters, we really did have a sort of closeness that was not about any of the other stuff. And I think that that's a big deal. That was a tie that binds. Explain why you think that is now that you're older and can reflect on it. Like you guys are young, but you had an intimate. see in a real brotherhood that sounds like it you didn't have too much conflict yeah and by the way after answering that like was there conflict and whether it when would how did those egos sort of clash

you know so i think there was conflict like two days ago yeah notably so what i would say is shared purpose i think is probably the biggest driving factor between conflict and lack thereof it's not a question of whether there will be hard things to do it's a question of whether you're fighting over the direction or the way that you're gonna solve this hard thing. And so for most of our life, we had not only the same direction, but the same bedroom and the same house.

And so it made it really easy to stay on page. Like, we always felt that it was a gift to be able to make music. You're like, where did this come from? It came so early in life. This is our job? Are you kidding? Right?

What is happening? And so, you know, spiritual or not, there was a sense that we're like, wow, this is a gift given to us. Let's do well by it. And I think that really helped as you come in conflict with producers or record executives or people who want to, oh, you guys should make a TV show and stop, you know, you should be, you'll be the cute one. And you go, no, no, we're doing this together.

We have this thing. We don't know how we got it. And we just really want to do it as good as we can. Strongly felt that. I mean, and huge credit to our folks for that. instilling that but um i think this spirit of just realizing i mean gratitude is is in it's just baked in because yeah we you know remember sort of right as things started to take off and people just feel like you just like woke up one day and we're famous and we we felt like we've

been working for 20 years because we had five years like we're all you know Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Judice. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump role star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana, maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me. I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent. This is a combo you don't want to miss.

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We are jumping right in and ready to hear from you. Your thoughts, your questions, your feelings about socks with sandals. And we're ready to share some possibly questionable advice and hot takes. God, that sucks so hard though. I'm so sorry. Can you out petty them? Can you match their pettiness for funzies? Yeah. We had so much fun last season, laughing, crying, talking to some new and old friends.

Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were just supposed to hug and I was standing? Oh, yeah. And I was like, can I also hug them? I'm like, this f*** has no friends. This time around, we are, say it, Melissa. Should I? Say it. getting a little more better.

Oh, finally. It's all the dressing room talk you've loved in season one. All the things. Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better? Listen to more better on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You write your own music.

You have to play your own instruments. And at the time, as someone who loved boy bands, You know, it was I'll always love a boy band But as someone Who like grew up in that era Like it was usually They were put together by management

Or by record labels They didn't really play their own instruments It was kind of like you and the Jonas brothers Right Were the only ones who knew how to play instrument And loved to write a song what was your relationship with like did you find that you what was your relationship with like did you find that you guys were always like was it you guys and the Jonas brothers was that sort of like well they're they were after i think we've i think because of what you just said we have actually historically really joked that the trouble is we always felt like we were in a category of one we never quite felt like we had like it's we always have more it's not really group but We could see this.

We had more in common with Johnny Lang and Blues Traveler than we had with a lot of the insane degrees and all those guys. It just wasn't even the same. Like the conversation just didn't quite start. We had more in common with our friends, the legends, three dog night that played last night and told us at that has to come and sit in. And it's like, what, this is a, it's a music. Yeah. Music first.

Yeah. And just put that in context. Danny Hutton is 82. exactly who you're saying it more in common with but hold on hold on I want to forget about the forget about the music for a second okay okay

because there's also that there's also the sort of the idolized you know how you guys were turning to these teen idols you were on posters I mean you guys were the shit that way so how did you manage that did you lean into it did you hate it you know i mean

music aside did you want to be taken more seriously are you like well we're more than that or we're like this is this is kind of rad i think it's it's an interesting thing i think uh a lot of times so we we were experiencing that so relatively early yeah because you were 11 like i creep here right right it's crazy i think it really helped yeah he's like i think that really helped because an 11-year-old sees a girl go and he doesn't go like,

man, she's going to hide it, but you do anything I want. He goes like, what's wrong with you? Right. Do you, if there's something attacking you? Like, is there a reason you're screaming and hysterically crying? This isn't cute. I'll be back to the, not the Xbox. I'll be back to the N64, please.

So I think that help. None of it. We were so close all the time that I think there was mostly a need to behave well because you saw that the other guy would go like, dude. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah. 11 year old brothers would be real big tattletails.

Yeah. If I was if I was behaving badly. Yeah. I do think though it's, you said set music aside, but you can't, the truth is you really, you can't fully answer. that question and put music aside because we had a really strong ambition like i mean let's just be real you don't even if you're blessed even if you're gifted which we were and have been had an amazing life to get to what we do um you you have to want it like you've got to want to be there because it does not work without that i mean you got to even pitching yourself we were before before we got signed to that

label we were turned down by every label that matters we were really hockey well we just What we saw, we have these heroes on our wall, which were not our generation's heroes, but they are legends like the Jackson Five, like the Beach Boys, like the Beatles, like the Elvis, like these. And to us, it was like, yeah, here we, like, yes. That's where you're trying to go. They were 18. They were, I mean, they were, rock and all was built by teenagers, not only by the fans,

but by the musicians. I mean, Elvis was 18. The Beatles, and these guys were all, I mean, Stevie Wonder down the line. And so we just had this ambition. So if you got to, it's almost like, you know, the dog that's chasing and gets the, you know, catches the car, we're going to let it go. Like there was a spirit of like, I'm holding on. And so this. Especially this guy right here.

So like I'm a dog, not dog chasing his tail, chasing a bone, chasing a ball. He goes, chasing a car, the thing that will kill you. Yeah. And then when I get it, I'm not letting go. I'm going to hold on. You go, bro, you're getting back. The car is driving 70 miles an hour. And you're getting driven.

drug behind the bumper. And you're winning because you got it. So are you getting this dynamic? Is that it coming out, guys? Yes. So we were not, we didn't party. We were young guys. What we wanted was to be respected.

And that was our huge battle. And our huge battle, our whole lives was, Isaac sort of allude to this feeling like a category of one, right? To be a band, right? We're not a, not really a boy band. We're a boy band in the sense that we're kids. We were kids. And our fan base was the target demographic of every boy band, right?

Because we were the age of those, at least starting out, mostly young women, right? And so we're like, how can we get out of this category? How can we just talk about why we wrote the song rather than like. Who's screaming? Yeah. Your personality. Are you the silly one? I'm like, yeah, I'm the silly one.

I'm 11. Right. But then you do Mbop and then it's like, okay, that's fucking huge. And now you have sort of stamped yourself as like, okay, this is it. And now the pressure to sort of recreate that or to have another hit like that or it's like, well, we want to do other shit too. How did that play out? I think that that's actually the difference for us. This is a particular one that's really interesting.

And I don't know why we think of it this way, but I think the primary thing is authorship. Ombop is brave as hell. Right. For anyone else other than us. No artist older than us would have the bravery to do that because they would be worried about what other people thought, what other people, how people were going to judge them.

Interestingly, that's what the song is about. Oh, yes, it's about. Right. So the song is about Yeah, break it down I'm actually interested in that It's a tricky weird thing Where we took this very sincere concept

And this really catchy chorus And we smashed them together Well, remember back to the early story We were talking about who we grew up with We wrote with some of our heroes Have written with our heroes But our references were duop Early Rock and Roll

So songs like Barry Man's Who put the bop in the bobs Shimbabob Who put the ram in the ram And the ding dong do but the dip in the dip like these are songs that are like the we got to be able to do that we got to figure that out i can do it these are the fabric of music and so when we the song umbop basically

started with two pieces it was a background part that we were working on working on an early before that was you know a record that was made by a major label we had another record and we were working on a background part and we started saying um ba do ba do ba do ba do ba do ba do da do da and it was like and it was like like, well, oh, that's kind of catchy. Where'd they come from? That's too catchy. It took over.

It became like a forward part. So it went over to the side, right? It was like, okay, well, that's a cool idea. Don't forget that. And it would just hung around for like two years. It would be like morning brushing teeth. Well, and I remember me. It's not saying all brushing your teeth.

But I remember I kept pestering Taylor and Zach about it. I'd be like, guys, guys, guys, this is a really cool idea. This is a really good. I think I did it enough time. It's a pesterer. Yes. But he, we basically, weren't just a garage band. We were a living room band. We took over the entire house when we were kids.

They just, we just took over the living room. And so we'd gotten a keyboard from a friend. We'd learn to play a classical piano. So we were kind of like, had enough chops to play some stuff. To the chagrin of our teacher, we'd stopped caring about actually playing classical piano when we were writing songs. Isaac had a little dinky, you know, punch up electric guitar. Oh, 75 dollars with the amp. One afternoon, I was sitting around playing over the few chords that I knew. And part of what was going on in our life, this is, this is, this is, this is, old school. This is pre anybody having any fame. We were already starting to like turn what would be like a soccer game weekend for most of our friends. And you guys again have grown up

in this entertainment business. So you understand the strangeness that is the normal like as well. Like what might be strange to one is normal to us. Like sorry, you can go to your birthday party. I got two shows this weekend. One's outside of bar because it can't place in the bar. The other one's in Kansas. And somewhere. That's what we were doing is we were beginning to make a choice that was really natural. It was pretty great. but we were beginning to be separated from people. Like we would, it was like our relationship with friends were a little odd and so started writing.

Jealousy and rejection. Yeah, like, what's your problem? What are you doing? And so started writing this very simple song and the lyric was, you have so many relationships in this life. Only one or two will last. You go through all the pain and strife. Then you turn you back and they're gone so fast.

And so it's like this kind of a campfire song, right? But it has this same beat. And so then essentially this. chorus that had been kind of floating around was like, well, pair, hmm. And then they're gone. So boom. Yeah, yeah. I would have been like

11 or 12. Yeah. Eleven, yeah. I mean, I think what you're talking about is like in some ways we had to grow up really, really, really fast, which is even at 11, Taylor's thinking about pain and strife and lost relationships

because... I know. It's like, what? What's your problem, man? It's wrong. you, which is part of the reason why we're such weirdos when we didn't, we didn't party that much. We didn't, you know, we weren't that into bad because we were already bad. My journal entries at like seven have the same male problems that they do when I was in my 30s. Like you could just mirror my like relationship to Josh in third grade. Yes. You know, my ex-husband. I always say that too. Like I found a diary, a journal of mine

from like 1994 in my New Year's resolutions and it's now 2024, nothing's changed. I haven't achieved one fucking thing. It's all the same resolution. I feel I'm happy.

So this is a really funny, weird thing, right? Where it's like, okay, so in some sense or another, psychologically, you are a certain person no matter what. It's unavoid. show up the question is just whether or not you can maneuver the world adequately that it doesn't become a a a crutch a you don't crumble and you don't crumble under the pressure of your own

insecurity um yeah i mean look we i think also there's this spiritual component to it you can't you can't avoid this our our folks were very spiritually oriented people grew up in you know in church and all that stuff and so they'd say to us look this is a gift from god that you have to to that you have to take good care of and also remember be grateful for it but also very importantly you can gain the whole world and lose your soul don't lose your soul whatever we will be here and help you make decisions as best as we can and we may make bad decisions but here's the thing they'll be your decisions and we'll make sure that what you feel good about is what we will make sure that other people kind of follow through on

And we will explain things and we will let you. You will be in the meetings as often as possible. You'll be on the phone calls as often as possible. But nobody is going to make you do something that's going to violate your conscience. You guys are so lucky. Like you had an incredible upbringing. You had incredible parents to really put things into perspective. You know what I mean?

It's so easy. It would have been so easy for you guys to get all fucked up with fame and girls and all the stuff. You know, I love what you said, though. You were so young that it was almost prior to feeling all of these things. Yeah. But still, at the same time, I mean, what an amazing perspective that you guys had instilled into you. Yeah, we're very, very lucky in that way. Yeah.

I always think that when you have a really good childhood, you actually kind of emulate the same thing. Like, we grew up. There's four of us. Like, we all have a lot of kids. It's a big family, like big family environment. is what we are. Like I'm looking around and like I've got my everybody's here at our house over Easter. We just like gather and there's something about that unit.

And I think at the core of it is spiritual spirituality. Some people it's in a church. Some it's a different kind of connection to spirituality. Absolutely. But like family, that strong family unit is so powerful in keeping people together and connected. and but you guys have like set like how many kids are there between the three so we did replicate that actually I'm the one that tips to scale I have seven and Zach has five children and Isaac has three

I feel really inadequate in this Isaac what are you doing it man I'm blowing it yeah I only have three kids I said that to my wife we have five kids I said you know and Isaac and Nikki you know they've got three kids is they're kind of like a, you know, small. It's a good medium family. And she goes, what is wrong with you? Where I grew up, if you had two kids, that was a bigger family. Three kids was practically Mormon. And, you know, like, I think practically Mormon is another show, you know.

So how many grandparents, I mean, how many grandchildren do your parents have? 25. Yeah. I think all. three of us are done, but our younger siblings are still going. I think they could hit 30. Yeah. All three. We have sisters. Our youngest sister's husband has his way. He loves her a lot. Well, now that we get to the end, I'm just wondering what you guys are up to. Like, what's the plan? What are you doing? Are you writing? You performing? You out there. What's

happening? Everything. I mean, there's a little bit of all, all those things. I mean, one of the fast forward is you know, part of why we're here today is because we, you know, we made some choices along the way, I think, to think about where you wanted to be in 30 plus years. And nobody's got it perfect, but we, you know, claimed our independence left Universal after our second

record and sort of said, hey, we, you know, we have this great thing, but we're in a label that has, is just a corporation that doesn't really know what's next. And that came from getting absorbed into a deal and people not signing us being in charge. You know, just a big corporate kind of mess. And anyway, so we've been independent

started on label 20 years ago and that relationship with fans just really building something from the inside out like building relationship with your audience we're working on shows working on shows later i was i was about to say taylor j didn't say anything yet working on that's that's normally my job yeah uh so we're we're working on shows for later in the year we haven't announced them yet but there's definitely some shows that are being booked uh that'll be really fun um we're celebrating the anniversary of our of our third record which is called underneath and we're put together a cool thing with that. So some new recording, some songs that haven't been released to the public, it'll be

coming out later in the year. And the song opinion in me, which is the first single from that record, which, you know, we're going to do some special with that. Yeah. Did you guys end up, were you able to, do you own your masters from your earlier records? Yes. So we own all our masters from our third album on and then everything reverts when I turn 45. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's something that a lot of artists, I don't know if they're. you know, they don't think about that future. And when you get a chance to renegotiate your contract, we're going to negotiate your master's to reverse. Exactly. Make sure the perpetuity is not in any part of the legal language. I feel like, I feel like that's the one thing people don't understand about the music industry.

It's, there's so much to it. And for people that are hungry and just want to like get in it and do it, you end up giving so much away. And in order to make money in the music industry, It's really hard. Oh, yeah. Incredibly difficult. Yeah, like, you know, it's expensive.

I mean, everything you do is expensive. And it's still pay to play. I mean, if you're still to get an album or a single out there that has a lot of plays, like you need to be putting a lot of money behind it. Yeah. And it's like you either have to have something go viral on TikTok or you need to be putting millions of dollars behind a song. to get it played the way a lot of the top songs are getting played.

It's an investment business, right? You put in pennies over a long, long, long time. And if you're lucky, those grow and grow and compound and grow. I mean, our fans, the craziest thing about our fans now is to see the multi-generational nature of it, right? The fans who've been with us since they were 12, bringing their 12-year-olds with them, right? To shows.

And you're like, we doubled our fan base? Yeah, yeah. They literally multiplied. Mm-hmm. I've got an idea. I've got a viral idea you might have already thought about this. I say we do m-bop, acoustic, and make it really melancholy. You know what I mean?

Really? Yes. I'm telling you. Yeah, like, it's like just acoustic and just, you know, really lean into. I'd like to hear that acoustic version. If you'll do it with us, we'll do it. 100%. I've got pipes.

You already have it. You already have your thing. Hands and Hudson Fusion. I've got pipes. I've got pipes. Let's go. I believe it. Hey, it's your favorite Jersey girl, Gia Jude Ice. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump rule star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text one way or the other from me to Arii. Maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me.

I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent. This is a combo you don't want to miss. Listen to Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges,

we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, it's Stephanie Beatriz and Melissa Fumerro, and this is More Better. We are jumping right in and ready to hear from you.

Your thoughts, your questions, your feelings about socks with sandals. And we're ready to share some possibly questionable advice and hot takes. God, that sucks so hard, though. I'm so sorry. Can you out petty them? Can you match their pettiness for funsies? Yeah. We had so much fun last season, laughing, crying, talking to some new and old friends.

Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were just supposed to hug and I was standing. Oh, yeah. And I was like, can I also hug them? I'm like, this f*** has no fun. And this time around, we are... Say it, Melissa. Should I? Say it.

Getting a little more better. Oh, finally. It's all the dressing room talk you loved in season one. All the things. Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better? Listen to more better on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's do a rapid fire because we love this and they usually take longer than really rapid fires are supposed to say. What's the first word that comes to mind when you think of, let's say, Zach?

Oh, gosh, first word, I just thought sugar. I thought, I thought, actually, intense. Intense. Intense sugar. Those two things go hand in hand. Basically, Mountain Dew is basically what we just said. Like a walking Mountain Dew. I mean, I mean, Zach.

You are a drummer. So that does me. I did. That's basically my son. My son's a drummer. My middle, my middle is a drummer and he's intense and love sugar. Yeah, I'm so sorry. And I love him.

He's actually very sweet in a lot of ways. I think some of your intensity comes from being kind of living in a dangerous world. Psychologically guarded. Like exactly. Okay. Listen, there are some generalizations about drummers that are all true. Yes. Every single one.

Guys who hang out. You know all of them. Anyone who is. ever been in a band knows yeah yes how about this who could benefit from therapy the most jack jack damn like that he just he just won't go he's got it on principle he's got it sorted he's fine oh my gosh okay okay to go to therapy the most i think he would like to administer i love okay taylor one word to describe taylor from each of you I'm going to see if they're trying to be kind of brave brave wow all right brave yeah uh let's see uh gosh

what would be it ooh don't think don't think no I know I know well I was going to say a similar word you're going to say dangerous aren't you no I was going to say well actually that was my second word dangerous yeah I was going to see adventure actually is a direct word I'm in I approve I approve this message okay Isaac love I tried to think of a second word. That was the first word that came to my mind. Honestly, Isaac is, I was looking for what the first actual word came to mind was relationships. Isaac is a people person.

Ike is a guy who is an amazing wingman, like the guy that's going to be like, okay, what are we doing? What's happening? So, and I mean, that in the best way. Like, that's, I mean, honestly, part of being a band for a lifetime is in brothers, the whole thing. I mean, it's like a, it's like a possible exploits. at every moment, but it's the combination of not being the same that allows it be a thing. Like bands, you can't have three

drummers at the same time. You can't have three guitar. Everybody's got their kind of lane in a way, I think. There's a fine line between being helpful and being really needy, you know? I'm just really trying hard to find that balance. I was going to say that's why you love therapy.

Yes. Right. On the wing. Like someone on the wing, I said he is William Shatner. Okay. Who's the cleanest? um probably yeah i feel bad about saying myself

but yeah yeah exactly the cleans i mean i'm the i'm the uh i think things are well taking care of much more neat but they're they're more in a pile don't let that fool you like everything looks like it's on a bookshelf this is Isaac's office uh below us there are boxes and piles and things um my stuff is most likely to be like i throw away the trash

and i know where the things are yeah the one that they come to when they go go, hey, I'm missing this thing. Did you throw it away? I'm like, I don't have to be, sorry. That was a priceless. No, well, it was laying on the ground.

No. Who is the dirtiest? Who's the dirtiest? Like, who will go the longest without taking a shower on the road? Oh, definitely me, yeah. He's the kind of guy that thinks turning his t-shirt inside out

makes it clean again. All right, well, what about first celebrity crush? Oh, my gosh. What's the actress from Air Force One? like that that's the are you serious oh like little princess yeah little princess I don't know her name I can't think of her name right now

with Harrison Ford yeah with Harrison Ford I don't know I love Harrison Ford I think everybody's got a man crush on Harrison Ford oh yeah for sure that or I mean Cindy Crawford we're up to Cindy Crawford

come on a Pepsi commercial and ends over stop you know that was I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie that was the moment where I was like why God and I'm not 12 years older Why is this happened?

If I was So if I would have been like 28 I met Sandy Crawford I would have a chance He still would have a dork Who's the favorite? It depends on who you're talking to really Who's mom and dad's favorite?

I would say Isaac I always get thrown This child on this one There's something about the first one they get they're the only one that gets 100% right and everybody else is kind of divided between that and they they don't mean to but they you know it just is i actually love me the most is that yeah Zach they love me so who's is Zach the most conceited is your mother are you the most full of yourself of everyone they come to me regularly Zach could you help

I did you help taylor he needs your help in fairness you are the most due to beautiful, most reliable brother in those ways. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, here's the thing. You're going to rob a bank. Yes. Someone's going to actually go in and rob it. One's going to drive the getaway car.

And then there's one in the van that's like got the earwig in and telling everybody what to do. Oh, that's easy. That's easy. I'm definitely going into the bank. Zach is definitely driving the car. And Isaac is earwigging the crap. He's like, yeah, I got it. Like I'm listening to the chatter.

There's no talk. You got it. He's got his hand on the stick. I'm the one that they sent in with the rifle. Unshowered. I'm going to die. Unshowered, yeah. He's a guy with a gun.

Zach's got his hand. It's done. He's our cold call guy, right? He's our cold call guy. So when you walk in and you don't know the teller, you don't know what's going on, he's just going to go in there. He's going to come back with some greenbacks, you know. No, no, but here's a really, really important part about my.

Do you disagree with that at all? No. Here's a really important caveat to that idea about. about me being the guy in the earwig. So I'm going, guys, I don't think this is a guy. I didn't think about it enough. Taylor, you did not. Abort, abort, abort.

Panic, panic. Just like, get out, get out. Amazing. He didn't make it in heat. If he was cast in heat, he definitely had to greet. Did you say he was in heat? Isaac's in heat? Yeah, no, no.

Congrats. This is the best. This was so much. much fun. Thank you. Thank you for having us. This was awesome. I mean, we could talk forever, but I have to, I have to jump. But this has been so great. And I'm so nice to finally talk to you because I do know, you know, Uncle Mark loves you. Of course. Yeah. And to get to know you, it makes total sense as to why you chose a Hudson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I told it all, but I get it. I get it. It all makes sense.

We love getting to meet you guys and really enjoy being on the show. Yeah. It was really, really fun. I know that this is kind of a seminal thing, but back in the day, almost famous. Of course. Tip of that. So important. One of the best music movies ever made.

There are very few music movies that are made well because most of them completely miss it. It captures the spirit of the earnestness and the kind of vulnerability that actually exists in the real world of making music. More often than not, music movies are all about the sex, the drugs, and the rock and roll, and they miss the people all together. Yeah. And the heart of it. What is it

to love music? Yeah. Exactly. You can be beautifully It's no, it's no purple rain, but it's good. By the way, Purple Rain. I went to the, when Purple Wayne was re-released in the theater, I just got super blazed and went by myself and watched

purple rain and oh my god i was dancing and singing like it was when allie when all he got super blazed and watched almost famous it sent him right into therapy it did yeah because kate's boobs were out was another love to mention it was another dimension of no yeah that's that's thank you for saying that that's like such that was such a huge part of my whole life that movie you know and honestly everyone in there like so many of us like really really got i feel like got the parts because we just love music so much you know and well and it shows and it shows well it for all the musicians out there i mean i can almost not watch music movies most of them get it so wrong and and i was talking to my kids about this last night just the

storytelling what they get i believe one of the things that music movies get wrong is they they try and they try and make everything big when in fact what's happening with music it's all going on up here and it's going on inside and so you've got to get in there and watch it right and no Nobody's, it's not like I had this lyric idea, guys, it goes like, it's happening. And so Cameron understood that and he captured it. Well, and it also takes outside this sort of like what the outside sees. It's like at the end of the day, it's all about the relationships you're making in that world, you know. Well, it's also the perspective.

It's through the eyes of. And so that was genius about it. It's through the eyes of this boy, you know, who is now on tour writing an article about this iconic, potentially iconic band. You know what I mean? And it hit those like funny kind of stereotypes in a way that was just so perfect. It was actually real. Jason Lee is like talking backstage.

It's like, I just, if I could give, if someone could give me, you know, $10 every time I've seen something like that. Oh, man. The self-importance will exercise. guys. And it's innocent. There's an innocence to it. But you need to have a little bit of that to be that kind of lead singer. You know, it's like, oh yeah. Oh yeah. All the things. It's a great movie. It's great. All right. Well, listen, I got to go. You guys are the best. Thanks so much, guys. Good chatting, guys. Good chatting.

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