Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Mother Knowles Best

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

Tina Knowles joins the revelry with iconic ‘Queen Bee’ stories. Hear the exact moment Mama Knowles knew Beyonce's 'destiny' and the performance that brought her to tears!  The iconic ‘glamma’ also reveals the one thing Beyonce asked her to stop doing, and why she says she won’t!  Plus, at 70 years young, hear what Tina says about finding fulfillment after divorce.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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we've actually won in Italy a couple of years ago. Anyway, it just made our trip feel extra special. So if you're heading out this month, consider hosting your home on Airbnb. With the co-host feature, you can hire someone local to help manage everything. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host.

I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now.

Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversations we've been having us, father and daughter, for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Introducing IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, It also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patience. You think you're finally, like, in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson.

And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling

Revelry. That's good. All right, everybody, all of our sibling revelry, listeners. I am solo today. I am Sons Olivier Hudson, which I'm kind of happy about, even though I always love having him around. Sometimes it's nice, I have a little break. And I get to interview like an absolute icon because she gave birth to the biggest icon out there right now. I get to interview Tina Knowles and I'm very excited because I just want to know. everything about her and how she raised those two insanely powerful and beautiful daughters, Beyonce

and Solange. And, um, yes, I can't wait. So let's, uh, let's get started. Hi, beautiful. Hi, and how are you? I am so, I'm really good. I'm currently in Aspen. Oh, yeah. And, yeah, and it's beautiful. I'll bet. Yeah, it's gorgeous And I'm just So happy to be here And I'm so happy to talk to you Oh, I haven't seen you in a long time

I know, it has been a long time I was thinking I was thinking about the first time I met you And you might not even remember But we were at Jay's I think it was like his 35th birthday It was his 40th It was his 40th?

I think it was his 40th Okay, so it makes That was a fun party It was a really fun party That was, you know, a carda club or something. Yeah, we had so much fun. And you were talking about her mom. You were saying that I kind of reminded you of your mom because she was fun.

Yeah. Well, I also remember I was contemplating the relationship I was in at the time. And I was sitting off on this, sort of away from the house a little bit on the beach. And I remember I looked out to my right and I saw this, like, beautiful. goddess just walking down the beach and she walked up and it was your daughter and Beyonce just sat we sat and we had one of the great conversations she told me yeah it was just one of those things I'll never I'll never forget because she was so she was very helpful at that time for me and but I'm excited to talk to you because you've had such an interesting amazing life and gave birth to such powerful women what do you think has been the most of most sort of powerful foundation of your life? Probably just my upbringing. You know, with my mom, I had a super close relationship with my mother. My mother was 44 when she had me, which back then was, you know, I was born in 1954. So she was, you know, an older mom. And I was pretty

much our life because you know our other kids were older and we had this really really close relationship and then when I became a teenager it was very strained my relationship with my mom up until probably around 18 we went through kind of a rough patch and yeah but if I had to say what was my foundation it absolutely was my family and and just growing up really poor in the south with a lot of racism and it just taught me to be a fighter really early on. But, you know, we lived in Galveston, Texas, this little tiny little island outside of Houston and, you know, it was segregated, you know, talking the book about being like five or six and having a ride at the back of the bus.

And not really ever thinking about it because you just went on the bus and you got to the back at a bus. But then one day it was just so hot and my sister and I used to catch the bus downtown and I went and sat at the front of the bus. And my sister came up and she was like, you know, you can't sit up here. You know, I think it's the first time I really realized, you know, before that I hadn't thought about segregation or anything like that, even though we lived in a black neighborhood and, you know, I went to a black Catholic school. And anyway, it was the first realization of racism, and there was a lot of it then. You know, it was like we couldn't eat at the lunch counters, and we couldn't.

There were a lot of things that we had colored restaurants and a colored hospital and the whole thing. Yeah. It was a very big part of my upbringing. Oh, I mean, couldn't be the most defining thing, especially foundational years and then having that experience and then coming out of that. time, like, what an interesting childhood, you know, and, and trauma, and traumatizing. Yeah, for sure. It's so interesting because, you know, that I'm still living and I'm 71, but, like, my dad worked in a salt mine in Louisiana. As all the people on this little island called Weeks Island outside of New Iberia, Louisiana, it was an island that was actually

a slave a slave plantation with the biggest slave owner he bought this little island so that the slaves couldn't they couldn't escape because there was completely surrounded by alligators

so I was familiar right about what's going on now and so my dad worked in salt mine who's 30 years old and the salt mine blew up they prematurely set off dynamite and it blew up and so it trapped my dad and another man in the mine. And at that time, they didn't dig for people. So he had nine brothers and like six cousins and they were the

whole black crew of the salt mines. And so they told him, no, you got to go home. They blow the whistle, send everybody home. And then my dad's brothers and his cousins got together after they closed, shut it down, and they broke in, used the equipment, and dug him out, and they saved my dad. He lost the steering and his left eye. So anyway, my dad started talking to union people. These guys came to town and they were like, if you were in a union, they wouldn't have been able to do this to you. But they were trouble so that my dad was warned not to speak with him. my dad kept talking to him and his next younger brother and they actually set their house on fire

and they left Louisiana with only the clothes on their back and they went to Texas. Oh my. It's crazy. What? It's a movie. I can make this up. Right.

I guess, you know, when you think about like who you were as a little girl, I mean, do you think the reason why you and your mom started to have that riff was just because you became rebellious or was there yeah part of it but the other part was that

my mom was so overly protective of me because she didn't have anything else to do and so they were

really overprotective and I just felt like she never trusted me so she was always thinking that I was like she was like go put some clothes on

you know I was a 70 so like I mean when I graduated in 1972 but when I was a teenager I made all my

clothes me and my nephew. And so I would have these little midrith tops on and low street. And she just always made me feel like she didn't trust me. But, you know, we wound up getting back together at 18. I left home. And I moved to California. And I saw some mammas out there that made me go call my mama and say, you're getting past my mama. Because I was so mad at her, go down on her. And, um, And, you know, I said to her, I said, Mom, why did you never trust me? Why did you think I was always up to having sex or I was going to get pregnant or whatever?

And she said, Teeny, it wasn't you that I didn't trust. I just didn't trust the world with you. I think girls, you know, especially ones that are, you know, have a bit sassy. I know I was. That that individuation is necessary. It's like super important, and it's kind of what we're supposed to do. It's like, I'm not my mother. I'm my own person.

You know, and so it makes that, that really, the mother-daughter relationship can be very complex. It's super important, but so, so complex. Was your, were your mom and dad creative, and did anybody have, was there music in your life before you had your girls? Well, as far as music is concerned, my mom and dad sung when they were young, not professionally at all, but they had like a little canteen thing. And I didn't find this out until I was older that they sang. And then my ex-husband was in a singing group when he was in school. I was in a singing group. Like in black culture, Motown days, everybody had singing groups.

So I was at one. And so when Beyonce came along, you know, he played the piano and we sang all the time to her and music was always planned. It was how we calmed her down. And he sang to my stomach, which I attribute to a lot of the musicality that she has. You know, sometimes it's a little, it was amazing because she started harmonizing. She's like six years old. But I think I'm hearing all those harmonies in the womb. Yeah.

Well, my daughter does the same. same thing. It's, oh my God. We were doing it the other day. She'd completely harmonized, started harmonizing with me. It was crazy. Where did you learn that? And she was like, I don't know. But you're a singer too. So it just, I think it's something that they have. I mean, we just sang a lot when they were little, and they would hear music all the time. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects are just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure.

I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready.

Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized?

I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other. sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.

Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different.

On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four. years ago now. We're getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart podcast present IVF disrupted the kind body story. A podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families,

it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. To take recorded statement, the person being interviewed is Krista Gail and Pike. This is in regards to the death of Colleen Slimmer. She just started going off on me, and I hit her. I just hit her and hit her and hit her and hit her. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slimmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row.

The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the Onesstorable. iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What is their age difference? Five years. And so with two, like, very different daughters, like, how did you manage that dynamic? Was that challenging? It wasn't as challenging for me because I I love the fact that they were really different and kind of celebrated it and really spent time with them individually. I think that's the key to it. It was harder because people get, you know, when they have multiple kids, sometimes it's so much easier to put them together. But five years, they don't want to really. Yeah, they're different.

Oh, much in each other's space, especially the older one. The little one would love to hang out with the older kids. yeah that's my that all my kids are seven years apart yeah seven years apart so i've 21 14 and six wow and so it's almost like i had all this individual time with each of them that's what i love though yeah i i agree i thought it was i i thought it was so great because they they got so much of me oh you yeah you know and then and then it's very interesting seeing like the different Like I've got, I've got three kids and three completely different generations. That's right.

And are they alike or are they different? They're all so different. Yeah, they have similarities, but they're all incredibly different. And I feel like I've had to parent them differently. Yeah. They just needed different things. Yeah. And they do need different things.

And, but it's, it's fun to watch. You know, because we do this podcast, it's a lot about like family dynamics and sibling. I love. connections. Yeah, it's really, it's been really eye-opening. And the sibling relationship is so powerful. And people don't talk about it really enough. It's, it's actually, they're starting to see as like one of the most, if not the most important relationship because. Oh, really? Well, because your parents, I mean, obviously is the foundation of what you are. But as they get older and your life goes on as they pass on, your siblings are the ones who are there with you throughout. everything and I've never thought about that but it's true and they and they also have different perspectives of the same this like how you're raised yeah so and especially for probably you

because you were so much younger than your siblings they probably had different parents yeah it was absolutely and this is what you know my my sister I was born of my sister's birthday on 10th her 10th birthday so she said I came to the world screwing her life of and her pardon was canceled and then my mom showed up three days later and said this is your diff and she was like I don't want that meaning that sounds like my brother yeah she didn't she wasn't that nice when I was growing up like we were never close and then when we got older now we're like so close but it took a lot of effort and work because I you know and she says to me all turn. She's like, you got the best

the mom. Because by the time you came along, you know, we were all gone and things were better. But, you know, she wasn't the same person because I'm like, my mom was the sweetest, nicest. And she's like, not all the time. You know,

and so we have two different parents. Yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting. I remember actually interviewing Taye Diggs and his his brother, and they had completely different childhood experiences. Oh, yeah, really, really different, really interesting. Yeah. And, yeah, I think it's, it's, it's, it's when there's a, when there's

age gap, it, it does happen. I know for me with Ryder, I'm a very different mother with Ronnie than I was with Ryder. Poor Ryder. Yeah. My oldest son, I was like, you know, 24 and still partying and having, you know, going out and. waking up, like, waking up at six to feed him and then going back to sleep. And, you know, he got, he got the wild mom. I wonder, um, for you with the girls, like, was there a specific moment where you knew, other than like that, you know, music was what calmed her down, but when you really knew, like, oh, this is like real talent to pursue and to like a support.

Yeah. For Beyonce, it was seven. She was seven. And her dance teacher, you know, Beyonce was really shy and very shy around somebody she didn't know. But at home with us, she was like so dancing and singing and doing all this, putting on shows. But then she'd get around people and just be quiet or around other kids. And so we put her and dance to try to get her out of her shyness. And her dance. And her dance teacher, I call her stage mother. She, you know, she was like, she told me one day, she was like, she can really sing. And I say, yeah, she can sing. But, you know, it's your kid. So you don't want to be the kind of person that's like,

oh, she's so special because everybody thinks their kids are special. And so she entered her into this. She went to a Catholic school. She entered her into a talent show for all the Catholic schools. And I didn't want her to compete because they had high school kids competing. I was like, that's so unfair. She's only seven. She's like, no, she can win. So this woman entered her into this contest and her dad worked with her a little bit on the song. And then we went to this talent thing and I'm just expecting, oh, that's so cute. And she got out there

and killed it and got a standing ovation and won the contest. That's when I said, God, this girl become somebody else on stage because off stage she was this shy person but on that stage she just commanded it and her confidence came so of course we were going to encourage that because she became this really

confident person it's like she's she has very like specific composure you know and and I like that I like that she's always kind and always sweet

but she, you know, she holds good boundaries, I think. Yeah, it's work. With Solange, do you think part of her entry into music had to do with watching her sister? Oh, of course. Yeah. It was just a part of our household. She went to that sang dance school.

And, you know, I can remember Salon's being, we laugh about it all the time because she was like three or four. And, you know, they wouldn't let the little kids come out and do the little real simple stuff, but she would always do the choreography with the kids. And so her dance teacher, stage mother, started letting her go out and do like little solos and stuff. So she was just destined for them. That's all they did. They didn't, they weren't normal kids. My sister used to say, your kids are so weird. All they want to do is put on shows. I don't want to see another damn show. No, that's what they did all the time. So at the time. So at the time,

that they were doing this, what were you doing fashion or were you designing? Oh, I owned a hair salon. And I actually, when I had salons, I was married for five years. I was home with Beyonce the whole time. I didn't work outside the home. But I always sold and made my own clothes and made my friends clothes and did their hair and makeup like I've always been in the fashion. and but I didn't have a job outside the home and then my marriage got really rocky and I was like I got a you know I've been out of workforce for four years I got to go do something so I've been going to beauty school but not to literally be a hairstylist just because I was always fascinated with it and and I needed to do something and so I just buckle down got finished and I literally had salons because I mean I went through hell during my pregnancy with Salonge with my husband. He just lost his mind. He was going through a midlife crisis, kind of early, actually.

And so by the time, I had Salon, I breastfed her for eight weeks, took her to her grandmother the next week, and I had a salon already ready. So I got out of baseball, took the boards, passed them, and went straight into my own salon. And, you know, thank God it was just super successful really quick. And then within a year, I opened a big salon with 24th dollars. So I had one of the largest ones. Oh, wow.

Yeah. My ex-financed the whole thing. He was always super supportive. I opened my salon. And once, you know, he went and got counseling and we got it together for years after that. And then, you know, it always kind of resurfaced his. His inability to hold things together, yeah. Yeah.

Marriage-wise, not career-wise, but marriage. It happens. Yeah. I was saying to a friend, you know, that was going through something with their partners. It seems to be in the air, I have a lot of friends going through things. And the thing that always happens, the older you get, it's like, it's just, you know what, it's just not that easy. everyone says it's supposed to be easy but it's really not the hardest thing you'll ever go through it to me it's marriage you relationships and having to constantly grow and move together with one person is really challenging it's their challenge yeah it's like you know this idea that it's like you know you I see some people they're like you know it's always been easy and it's like like real so rare somebody that said that yeah no I that's what I'm saying there's like one one one

to two people I know that always was like it just is you know always been easy but it sounds to me like you know it becomes very clear within like five minutes of talking to you where your girls get their strength are an incredibly strong woman I'm let's talk about your fashion and and your love for it and like what you think defines personal style. I kind of have this I feel very discouraged by the fashion world because I find that trends are becoming what's fashionable versus people actually creating their own style. Their own style. It's a bit it's it used to be so different like in the late 90s and when Beyonce and I were were both coming up at the same that time. Yes.

We didn't have, like, stylists and, like, we were creating our own vibe. And that doesn't really exist as much anymore. I wonder how you feel about this. Well, you know, my nephew, the one that Beyonce sings about Uncle Johnny made my dress. I don't know if you heard that. That cheap, stand, spandex, it looks a mess. It's a whole thing with that. But he was my nephew, and he was gay, and he was my very best friend growing up.

And so he could sew and design and create the most amazing clothes. So I grew up making my own clothes and us putting our money together to buy a Vogue magazine and trying to copy the things that were in there. My mom was just, my grandmother was the seamstress, my great-grandmother was seamstress. and so it's just been passed down. And so fashion was always a big old part of who we were. And we were these really poor kids, but our lives were really confusing because we went to a private school, Catholic school,

and, you know, later I found out when I was 14 that my mother was bartering. So my dad showed with the nuns. We lived across the street from the school. My brothers cleaned the school yard. My mom made all the altar clothes and the uniform. and she did all the sewing. So it was, and we were the best-dressed kids, even though we were really poor. It was quite confusing.

But fashion was just always at the center of our lives. And we were the best-dressed little kids. My mom would go to Goodwill and Salvation Army and get me these really good shoes, Buster Brown shoes. She would be determined until she followed some Buster Brown shoes. And we would just, it was, it's just always been a part of our lives. So when the girls started and the record company wouldn't give me money to buy them designer clothes, they might give me $1,500 for four girls.

I would take it and buy expensive fabric and copy something or, or just design it from scratch and make these customs. What was your, I have two, this is now now two questions, because the first part, the first part, of that was, I'd love to know who your, when you were younger, who your style icon was. Like, who did you look up to that you were like, oh, my God. Like, I just loved Diana Ross in the Springs. Yeah. You know, I was, they're, they're, she's like 10 years older than me.

So my sister was a huge fan. She had all their music. But, I mean, for me to watch them on TV, the costumes that they wore were unbelievable. Oh, the best. I wanted to be here because I was, you know, I was in a singing. group and I was skinny like her and I would just do all her moves. I was obsessed with Diana Rock. Oh, she was my style icon, which is really interesting because, you know, I was mostly

like costumey stuff. So when I was doing Destiny's Child, that's the criticism that I got all the time. They dog me out as a designer because they would always say, the stuff is too over the top and it's too dramatic and it's too shiny and it's too, too, too, too, too, too, too. but they were state, you know, they were on stage. It was awesome. You know, I have to say, it's so funny when I think about, like, you know, who, like, critics.

You always want people to like what you do, but then you, sometimes you think you're like, wait, who, who are these faceless people? Like, what, what did they do that made them the person that can actually tell, you know? It's like, you can't listen to any of it. And they probably would say. we were real fashion people, and she was not, you know, because I'm not formally trained. So I was real insecure about that for a long time, and they used to dog me out. But, you know, it's funny because when I look back on some of that stuff, I'm like, I was doing pretty good.

Yes. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready.

Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized?

I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other. sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.

Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.

And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four.

years ago now. We're getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present IVF disrupted the kind body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients.

You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19,

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. To take recorded statement, the person being interviewed is Krista Gail and Pike. This is in regards to the death of Colleen Slimmer. She just started going off on me, and I hit her. I just hit her and hit her and hit her and hit her. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slimmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee.

Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the Onesstorable.

iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I wonder what your crowning moment was for with Destiny's Child. Like what was like said one of their looks that you were the most proud of? Two things stand out. One thing is when things started changing for me as far as real. really being more secure, myself as a designer, was the Folb Fashion Awards. They used to have this Fashion Award. I don't know if you remember that.

We went to this bold fashion award, and of course I made these outfits for them. And when we got there, they had this whole tribute to Destiny's Child and how they had affected the fashion world. And I was like, oh, my God, you know. And I remember them getting an award for their costumes, and they remade. their costumes, and they had a whole, like, a little fashion moment. Oh, my God. And I was, like, so shocked.

And they brought me on stage. And Kelly says, at that speech, she's like, and I'm getting choked up about it because, you know, at that time, I was really getting dogged out. And she brought me on, they brought me on stage, and she said, all of these costumes that y'all are clapping for, this lady did them. And, you know, it kind of changed things because people started respecting me a little more. because they were quite abusive I remember being on a red carpet with them and this girl said almost knows that you make the customs

and I said yeah and she said when they were little did you make their Halloween customs and I was like yeah and she said yeah because this is one oh no it was the meanest oh no and I said well I'm glad you recognize it because you're wearing one too

and so you know I can snap back. I am from Galveston, Texas. So I snapped back and I said, oh, you got on one too, but I was crushed. And I was like, I think I'm not going to do this anymore. Like I just, there was so many times that I just, the girls would have to talk me off the ledge because they were like, no, don't pay attention to them, you know. And so it was, that was my first time I got really recognized and didn't feel, I mean, I felt good about it, you know, but it was tough. I'm actually like shocked hearing this I think it's amazing to you know but for me like that was such I mean that era destiny's child so huge their their look was sort of a huge part of it was absolutely what we loved you know and on the record label and I talk about in the book they had a media with my ex- husband and they said, you know, if you want them to cross over to a white audience, then

we have to, Ms. Tina is not the answer. You know, we need to get rid of her. Oh, no. I went through a lot of stuff. But, you know, but they hung in there with me and were, you know, they were, they, they didn't buckle under the pressure. And thank God, you know, because it was a, it was, I think it set them apart, you know. I remember, you know, I remember, you know, this is so crazy you're talking about this time and I remember Beyonce it was the golden globes and they were doing this big MTV you know thing at the golden globes it was the year I won the golden globe and Andre 3,000 was up on a I could see because I loved Andre and I loved Dusty's child and I could see Andre 3,000 up at on like a balcony and then and then I

saw your daughter, I saw Beyonce and she was and then I, she ended up interviewing me and I remember, you know, asking me all these questions and I remember looking at her and like the whole time I was like, gosh, she's just so insanely beautiful. I was like, you get lost in Beyonce, you know? I, and then someone actually sent me that footage and you can see me just going, yeah, yeah. And I'm just staring at her like, my God, she's beautiful. it was so cute how is your personal style evolved like as you get older and as you look at like kind of your evolution of like the 70s into your you know how for you like how is it how is it shifted well i i went through a period where i just wore suits and i still wear suits most places because I just love a good tailored cut suit and I love Alexander Queen like broad shoulders but this

past like the last couple years I'm tired of suits and I want to wear dresses and I want to be more feminine and not so like you know with power suit things so I think it's changing all the time

you know I'm wearing sexy stuff at 71 it's also like I think I know it sounds crazy. I'm one of those people that just loves clothes so much. It's, it's almost, it feels like it could be a sickness, you know? It's like,

I can't, I love my closet. I could go, I could spend hours in my closet, just like, you know, figuring it out. I like the idea of, you know, sometimes I go in and I, I do all these outfits, I sort of do all my own styling. And I make these outfits, I take,

pictures of them. And then I go back and I look at them and like half of them are like, what the fuck was I thinking? I'm like, sometimes when I look at the destiny show, I'm like, they might have had a point sometimes. And Beyonce says it all the time too. She was like, mama, what, what were we thinking? I was like, I don't know, but it worked for the ton, you know? Were you, like, you help build businesses and you're obviously a huge part of your, are you. Are you? still, and you worked on those clothes still. Well, what I do now is like the tour that they just went on, I hire the stylist, I keep the budgets, which is really hard, because she has probably, Beyonce alone has maybe 300 costumes

for the tour. No, she changes every night, like three or four things, and a lot of them don't make it. And so the stylist, the last tour, I hired four people, a team of four people, four stylists. And that's not even including the dancer, stylists, and accessory stylists and some big, big operation. Because it's 500 people on that tour. And that's how big the tour. Wow. And she changes so much.

And then you have like 27 dancers. And then you have a band that's like 12 people. she wants them to change. And so that's a big operation. So I kind of just head up that whole thing of heart, keeping the budgets. Trow machine. Every single day. So it's a lot.

It's a lot of work. People don't understand for her to change three and four times a night with costumes for that many people is such a big undertaking. And I think it's like 40 regular people in wardrobe that, travel to every city. Then we hire about 20 more people. So that's a lot to keep together. I'm sure it was really fun

celebrating the last show. I love it. I know. And this time it was I got to see it in L.A. I brought my daughter. And it was so cute because she was just completely obsessed with Blue Ivy and Rumi. And Ronnie was like, oh my

God. Like that's all six and a half. That's so cute. Yeah, the kids love it. Yeah, I mean, Ronnie couldn't believe. She was like, like, to see Rumi on the stage, you know. And she was like, I mean, it was almost like, I didn't think about it this way. You think people go and they'd be inspired by, you know, Beyonce and just, but the little girls to see the kids up there was just as motivating.

Like Ronnie's like, no, I want to be, I wanted to get out there like Blue Ivy and. right that's so cute it was so cute um did you you were in Vegas and you celebrated the last show and now it's everybody gets to just and i'm so really you know it's great and it's fun but it was i'm glad it's over how do you manage being mom the dynamic of mom and daughter when you're together a lot of the time well it's you know it's her show it's her stuff she runs the show and I'm just like everybody else in terms of being, you know, there to support her. But sometimes, you know, we go at it because we are mother and daughter. Yeah.

And we have differences in opinions or whatever. But, you know, I have sense enough to know that that's her stuff. Like I, she grew up hearing all the time. This is my shit. And so that's her favorite thing is this is my shit at the end of the day. And so, you know, concede to that also. But we get along really, really, really well. Yeah.

Or mother and daughter, we get along pretty good. Because I know when we're up back, you know, and not be a mom and just. Yeah, I think that's the interesting thing. Like, my mom has been pretty good with that as well. Like, she doesn't step in certain places. I think sometimes what my mom does do which I love is she'll check in with me if she can feel that I'm overwhelmed

or yeah and she'll check in and be like are you I'm feeling that you might be over are you okay honey you know like do you want to talk about anything right and that means a difference Lord just to have somebody that you can just be completely 100% and vulnerable with and not have to be protected, you know? I would think that for both of your girls, for you to sort of, even just like be behind

the scenes doing the thing, but that you're there is probably incredibly. Yeah, and I stay with the family the whole time so that the kids have their grandmother and I can give her a break and I just try to support it in any way I can. You know, Salon's just very different because Salon won't have me on tour. She never had. I used to dress her, but she would take the clothes and say, Mom, I don't need you crowd me. You know, I need my space.

So they're very different in that way. What are, what's everybody's signs? Astrological signs. Lawn is a cancer, Gemini. Okay. And I think way more Gemini than cancer. Just her family and the sensitivity is so much like my mom. cancer. B is a burgo and I'm a Capricorn, so we are kind of the same person a lot. You know,

Jay says, I read it a couple weeks ago. He was like, you two are the same person. You know, we're pragmatic. We're like patient. We plan. We're conservative to a certain degree. And, you know, so we get along really, really well. I love it. If you had like one moment, to look back at, at Beyonce and Solange, but particularly just Beyonce's career has been, it's just, I mean, it's talk about icon, you know, she will be remembered forever, oh, through time. What was like the one moment where you kind of looked at Beyonce

and was like, her stardom is bigger than anything? that I could have imagined. You know, it's been a lot of moments like that. But I think when she got on the first stadium tour, and it was 70,000 people, it was, you know, as long as I've been doing this, because I've been doing it for 25 years, that was a different level of fandom.

You know, it was like, it was crazy. And I think that I remember getting really emotional and crying because I'm like, how did we get here? Because it's passed by so fast, but I think that's when I really realized the effect that she has on, you know. The world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's phenomenal, it's, it's phenomenal, truly. And then do you ever have like mom-mo? moments where you're like, I mean, of course, she's came from me. Do you ever have those moments where you're like, look what I did. Look at my gorgeous daughters and how powerful they are. I think I think about it like that. I just think about how blessed we are to be passionate about something and for it to come to life like that. I mean, I don't take it for granted ever. I will never be jaded to think, oh, yeah, no, I'm still crying. I'm still like, I can't believe this. You know,

I still post. I'm the biggest cheerleader. I'm screaming louder than anybody when blue and roomie come out, not as much for B, but for them, like, the other night was the last show and Oprah and Gail were there and Carrie White's apartment. And they were all, when my grandchildren came out, They all had their cameras out because they were like, I can't believe you get this excited because I get up to the front of the riser and I get my, and I'm like, wow.

And I'm screaming the whole time and I'm like, I have no shame. You know, or post 25 videos and then I get a call and Viazza, I'll be like, Mama, can you not post so much? Like, come on now, when are you ever going to stop posting? You don't need to do, you're doing too much.

I'm never, I never want to be jaded about it. it or take it printed or feel like you know it's still really exciting for me that's so great or so I'm sure your mom is for you because you know to see yeah yeah it's it's um yeah and there's also a great feeling when you see your parents be be that excited for you for you know it's like you really you know no matter what I know we grow up and there's things of like you know you do it for yourself to not always but like there's nothing like making your parents proud it's nothing like doesn't matter how old you are what kind of success it's just it's the best feeling in the world and and and now but to sort of start to wrap up I wonder like what are you excited about like

what are you excited about that or dream about doing that you haven't done or like what are you looking forward to? I think for me, my life is, I'm so happy with my life. I mean, I am. I just, sometimes I have to pinch myself because I'm like, I get to travel. I get to meet people. I mentor inner city kids in L.A. It's one of the best experiences of my life because, you know, just affecting, it sounds corny, but it's the honest to God truth. Like, I get to go over to Kip Academy and meet with these kids on Mondays and affect how their lives are going to turn out and exposing them to the arts and they're going to college now. And, I mean, what better feeling could you have than to do that?

And then I get to travel and meet people. And, you know, I have to pinch myself because I'm a little country girl from Galveston. And from this little small town, I'm not formally. educated. I didn't go to college, but I've gotten to write a best-selling book. I mean, God, I'm just, I'm so happy with my life. I really am. And, you know, I went through a divorce a couple years ago and maybe it's been a year and a half ago. And I finally, at 70 years old, got it. And I talk about this in a book. I got it that I would love to have love in my life, but if I don't, I'm going to be just fine. And it's a shame that I had to get me 70 to realize that I was enough by myself.

And that I don't take care of woman and be able to say that because I've always been taught to be humble and not to celebrate yourself and let, you know, at this point, I say that all the time, I don't give a shit. And I'm just being authentically who I am and free and I'm just enjoying life. It's the best. It's the best. Oh, I love that so much. You know, there's that's so liberating. Yeah. Yeah. You've, you've liberated yourself. I'm kind of pissed because I'm like, why did I have to get to be 70? That's such a beautiful place to end on. And I, and I, I am so happy we had this conversation. Enjoy your time off. All right. I will. And, uh, and enjoy this bestselling book. What a dream. All right. Well, this was fun, Kay. Thank you so much. Thank you for doing it.

Are back. Oh, I'm in love with Beyonce's mother. What an awesome chat and inspiring conversation and that last thing that she just said really, really, like, I think for everyone, everyone listening. any woman and all the women listening, a really important thing to take with all of us. I'm going to, I'm going to meditate on that one for a little bit. But how wonderful was that? What a life. What a, what an amazing, amazing, strong woman. All right, guys. I'll see you next time. Probably with Zabroski. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack,

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