Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Nickelback's Mike and Chad Kroeger

Episode Date: August 13, 2021

This week, Kate and Oliver are joined by Nickelback's Mike and Chad Kroeger. They discuss the small town where they grew up, how they got into music, their working relationship, why people have such strong opinions about the band, and more. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickEdited by Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by:Each & Every (eachandevery.com/sibling PROMO CODE: Sibling)Helix (www.helixsleep.com/sibling)Faherty (www.fahertybrand.com PROMO CODE: Sibling)Coors Light (www.coorslight.com/HUDSON)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth.

Sibling reverie. That's good. Hi. What's up, Katie? So we did the Nickelback. We, you know, we interviewed Nickelback. interviewed Nickelback, Chad, and Mike.

They were so great. They revealed some, like, pretty crazy stuff about their relationship. And then, and then things they found out later in their life, which I really appreciated. Mike was really open. I like that. He said he's never been open about this thing. And I like that he's like, you know, I shouldn't be transparent about, you know, the smell. And so I thought that was pretty cool.

But we learned a lot about them. I was shocked. I really was shocked by their. how they were, you know, grew up in, like, their history. Grueger's lived in a very small town and then to find the success they did out of Canada was pretty impressive. You know, and then even dealing with all the haters later on,

we talked about that a little bit. You know, they just have a level head. They're still doing it. I mean, they're still torn. Yeah, Mike, Chad, thank you for sharing with us. I hope everyone enjoys our Nickelback episode with Chad and Mike Kruger. Welcome to our podcast.

Thank you for having us. We're hitting all kinds of corners of the world. Kind of our, aren't we? Mm-hmm. We've got L.A. to Albuquerque to Serbia. To Abbotsford, British Columbia. To Abbotsford, British Columbia. Are you guys still actively touring a lot or no?

When was your last tour? When was it, October 19th? 2019 was our last show that we played in Rio. Okay, so you're still, you're still touring all the time. I mean, but I'm talking about with put COVID aside. Okay. Yes, absolutely. We're ready to work whenever we can.

Hey, you're gearing up, aren't you? Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. So let's go back a little bit. Let's go back to the very beginnings when you were just swinging around and your dad's nuts. Come on, yes, yes.

Oliver. So where were you born? Where were you guys, where were you guys born? Where did you live? Well, yeah, I was born first, so I guess I'll go first. I was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Daddy, where were you born? I was born in Provost, Alberta, which is about maybe, maybe 900 people. Wow. Really? That's interesting. Wow, so small. how many years apart are you guys two and a half two and a half

and we didn't really spend that much time like i didn't spend that much time in calgary i i think it was a matter you know less than weeks i don't even think i spent a month in calgary and i don't know how long um we lived in provost when chad was born there either like we oh wow quite a bit yeah we moved to a little town um about 2,900 people wait for the gasp and it was called Hannah Helbert and we grew up there and there was nothing to do but get in trouble or get in trouble.

Right. Yeah, so it was like... Is that where you guys spent most of your childhood there? Yeah. Yeah. What kind of trouble are we talking about? Oh, my God. Wait, don't go there yet.

Hold on a second. Kate's like, frame this up. Let's frame this up a little bit. Oliver goes right to the heat. What is your mom, what are your, why are you there? Like what are your, is it work? Was your, what, what jobs did your parents have? Our stepfather was a welder and my mom, uh, taught dancing.

We were really there because our grandfather and grandmother lived there. And they, they kind of co-raised us. You know, they were, they were a big, the big part of our, a big part of our childhood. And they were, they kind of, they parented us on a, on a large part. Oh, really? Yeah.

Would you say equally or more so than your parents? Mom, don't watch. Please don't, please don't, please don't, please don't tune into this. Let's just say equally. Let's go back. Give us a little bit of the landscape, like 2,900 people. Is it mostly farmland? Are you living in?

Prairie, mostly prairie, a little bit of cattle. and flat. The joke is you can watch your dog run away for about a week. Yeah. That's a joke of prairies, yeah. I love that joke, actually. Okay. Let's get into the trouble part.

Wait, so what was the city like? What was, what did you're, like, strip? What city? What city? Did you have, like, a general store? We didn't even have a stoplight. No, but there was more, you know, more than a general store. We, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't so primitive.

But, you know, you can judge a city because it has a McDonald's. And the nearest one was a long way to way. People would actually drive to other cities just to attend a McDonald's. Yeah, pretty much. Wow. Okay, wow. No shortage of bars, though. There's like four bars and three liquor stores.

Canadians are a rather thirsty bunch. Very. A lot. There's nothing else to do. Getting back to the trouble part of the thing. I mean, when you said there are. He's fixing. Well, I mean, it was a great segue because, you know, there was 14 bars in your town,

rent liquor stores. So hence the trouble, it's like, oh, well, we're just going to drink and do stupid shit, I imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much, that's how we got here. I think I've got. 11 counts of B&E.

I'm breaking an energy for all you want. Yeah, I got, I think I had. So my lawyer on the one charge got me out of, so we don't have grand theft auto, as you guys have. We just have theft under 1,000 and theft over 1,000. So he got me out of theft over 1,000 and got me down to joyriding. So that was nice on the one charge. Good lawyer.

I don't think you told him. everybody what your age was at this time chat oh no you're like 14 oh my god well i know at 14 i was in juvie so i was already in juvie for uh for a bunch of other stuff so i did a little stit in juvie i was a bad kid wow this great i'm so disappointed in you as a child i'm like but i mean you've done so well for yourself but like my god that's Wait a minute. But what was brother doing? I mean, were you just like, what the fuck are you doing?

Oh, well, this one was born with horns and that one was born with the halo. Oh, really? Yeah, my conversations with him were, why do you keep doing this? You know, you're getting caught the worst. You know, why do you do this stuff? And, you know, he once upon a time, you know, he was like, I think 12. I was kind of asking him these questions about, you know, why do you, you know, why do you do all this stuff? You keep getting in trouble and it looks like really sucks.

And I remember him saying, well, it doesn't really matter because I can talk my way out of anything. At 12, he knew he could and kind of has done that. That's a very frontman. It's a very front. It's a very front man thing to say. But did that? Well, how do you think you get the job of a frontman if you can't, if you can't bullshit?

Talk your way out of anything. I know. I know. My dad, yeah, you've, you know, you've spent time with you all in frontman. Yeah. I think you were married. I think you were married to one for quite some time. I was married to one. I sure was. My dad always said I could sell, my dad's like, you could sell, what does he say? ketchup. You could sell ketchup popsicles to a woman wearing

white gloves, is what my dad always says. Tommy from Tommy Boy who said that. Oh, well, my dad says, too. Ice to an Eskimo, I think. Oh, ice to an Eskimo, yeah, that's another one. So essentially the old man just, he's like, you're like the best used car salesman around. Oh, my God.

Yeah, but it's funny. You did get into trouble. There's no doubt about that. But there is something to be said about the hustles. about you talking your way into things and out of things and being able as an adult to use that skill to your advantage and not get arrested. But, you know, that is something I'm sure that has benefited you in life, right?

I love the way you spend the positive all of us. He's really looking for the for the silver lining and Chad's juvie stint. Yeah. Juvie Stitt. This is the clickbait that everyone's going to, they're going to latch on to this one. So, you know, it absolutely helped me. And the hustle, you know, I've met, I mean, it takes one to no one and you can't bullshit a bullshitter. And I've met a lot of hustlers who have become very successful in this world in every single facet you can possibly imagine. But, I mean, now, if I think that I've walked out of a store and I've paid the wrong price for something because it was the wrong, like, price tag on there, I will march right back.

I'm like, I think that you undercharged me for this because I really need to pay back some of this karma. And anytime, like, anytime something gets stolen from me, I always say the same thing. I had that coming. I had that coming. So every single time, it's like, you know, someone steals something off the property or anything, you know, I'm just like, ah, that one was in the pipeline. That was definitely, that was coming back my way, no matter what. He's very forgiving to the, the light-fingered nature of some people. I think it's really, I think it's really interesting, Mike, that you were, like, his voice of reason, like his, what was it, Geppetto?

It was a very quiet. It was a very quiet voice of reason. It wasn't loud of them. He needed a megaphone. Okay, so you guys are living in a town of 2,900, and you were there for how long? Like, your whole childhood? Mike, you moved out.

Mike moved out, like, you moved to Vancouver, and you joined that metal band. Yeah. And I was, I think I was, oh, that's off. After we did a little stint, and so we went on the road, actually, so the second I got out of high school, the band pretty much the same, I mean, so Mike and Ryan, our guitar player, were in that band as well. Our cousin was drumming. They were just waiting for me to get out of high school so we could go on the road and play cover tunes all over, all over Hells Half Acre. And we did that for a few years, and you get really good at. you know, just standing up there in front of people and either having them love you or hate you and, you know, play ACDC or, you know, whatever, just having them yell at you and that, like, it just doesn't phase you after a while. You just get really good. And yet the other thing you get good at is you start to realize, uh, what will pack a dance floor, you know, and, and, and what demographic, you know, if you see a college crowd coming in, you just, you, we would instantly just, you know, we'd call an audible, bam, we'd just have them all just jumping, you know, or we'd see a little bit of an older crowd, like being able to read the room.

That was great. And so for a couple of years, we did that. And then our singer, very stereotypically, fell in love with a stripper and moved to Toronto. Now you may, well, hold on, hold on, a peeler. Sorry, hey, hey, yeah, this guy's been in Canada. A peeler, yeah. he evidently found her very he found her very appealing and so they took off to Toronto and we just you know fell into this weird void of just nothing going on and then I just started getting in

more trouble and then that's when Mike you moved out to Vancouver you joined a metal band I wrote nine little songs. I got in trouble one last time. And then I was like, I got to get out of this town. I borrowed $4,000 from my stepfather, called some buddies that had come out to Vancouver and had gone to recording school. They got us some studio time. We came out here, recorded a seven-song demo. Mike was living in a rehearsal space, working at a Starbucks, and gave our demo to some managers who walked it into the local radio station here called Seafox and started getting one of the songs played on the radio. And the rest is not quite history. Wow. That's great. Well, let's go back for two seconds, though. So music. So when you were breaking into places.

What was the best thing you told? I want to understand, like, your parents' dynamics. Your stepdad. It was your stepdad and your mom. Yeah. Well, they... They're stepdad's. Mom, she, she, she, she, how do you say it?

I don't know how you say it. Bad luck in relation. She liked getting married, but I wasn't very good at staying married. I don't know how you say that, but yeah, there is... Mom. Mom, don't listen to this. Mom, don't listen to this. Mom doesn't even know what a podcast is. I feel your mom. I feel, I mean, it happens. Some people aren't meant to be in long-term relationships, you know? Right. Right.

In terms of the household, is this like the kind of, are you like latchkey kids? Are you running around, like, basically doing your own thing and like grandma's, like, be basically trying to reel you in and control everything and mom's doing her. Like, was there, was it tumultuous? Was it, you know? I think you're writing the screenplay right now. You guys are really left to your own devices. I don't know if it was entirely that, but there was a, you know, there was a fair bit of moving around. You know, there would be times when there might be some upheaval with our mom for whatever reason.

And then that was when the grandparents would kind of take over for a period of time. And then, you know, so we kind of, we kind of cycle back and forth between our mom and, and, and our grandparents quite a lot. So in, in mom's defense, she had Mike when she was 19 and she had me when she was 21. So she's got two, two babies, you know, and she's now the legal drinking age in America. Like in Alberta, it's 18. So like that's got to be a lot. Yeah, no question about that.

No one said it was easy. anybody on this podcast that has kids No, it's not easy. And what about, where was your real father? He was working on horse tracks. So he would go between Calgary and Evanston and work on the racetracks. Like heading horses, if you know what that means.

So the gate crew that, like when someone hits the button and they are the bell rings and they all come out of there. So that all the guys that load those horses in there is very dangerous job, actually. So he became the head starter at Calgary and Evanston. And anytime we wanted to see him, we kind of had to go see him. So, I mean, we didn't really start developing a decent relationship with him until we were probably teenagers and could just get to him and then go hang out with him. And if we'd go hang it with him, he'd put us to work at the racetrack, hauling feed or working for one of his girlfriends at the time doing something, you know, around the racetrack.

and that was that was pretty much the dynamic of our early teens right with your real father with your real dad and did that shift or change in your 20s I mean have you established a better sort of more deeper relationship with him yeah absolutely well I mean as as as much of a you know it I mean I'm joking But, you know, when your kids come into a lot of money, it's like, hey, that's, that's not, that's not really true, though, as much as I mean, that's came by that wildness honestly, though, you know, like he, he's very much, uh, uh, very much a carbon copy. Yeah. That's, uh, quite the, uh, quite the wild child. Maybe even today. Back when he was younger, he was a lot wilder. Well, really, like, yeah, but I mean, And now, you know, in dad's defense, when he couldn't afford to. I just attack. I just attack them and you defend them.

I do. Well, because I also, the one time when, excuse me, when dad, you know, didn't have the money and couldn't afford it, I needed to go on the road with the cover band, with you guys. And I didn't have a decent guitar or a decent app. And he's like, okay, well, let me get you what you need. What do you need? And I'm like, well, I mean, dream. I would love a Paul Reed Smith guitar, and that's like, I think it was $17 or $1,800, excuse me. And I wanted a mess of boogey amp, and I think that was $2,000.

And he went around the bar to all his employees that night when we were at the horseman's club and borrowed $4,000 that night. And the next day, I had a guitar on an app. So, I mean, I, that's pretty great. Yeah, that guy bought me my first good bass guitar. That guy. That guy. Well, you know, the truth of the matter is, is that, you know, later on in life, it,

it turned out that, you know, he wasn't actually my real father. And I've never really told anybody this. You know, I don't really talk about this. But it explained the difference between Chad and myself. It really did. Because Chad is, like I say, complete carbon copy of his father, complete, absolute. To look, voice, a lot of similar behaviors, mannerisms, like, identical. And as I grew up, I, I wasn't like that. And I didn't understand why are those guys so

alike and I'm not like them. It's called a moral compass, Mike. Oh, my God. Mike, why do I have a moral compass? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wait, that's crazy. Yeah. So you're, mom, but did your mom know that the whole time? No. No. It was... Mom! Don't listen to this!

Don't listen to this! I'm okay to tell the truth. You know, honestly, I could dance around it for the rest of my life and never talk about it, but I don't want to do that. The fact is, is, you know, that's the truth. That's a fact. And, you know, not knowing... You know, in the beginning, not knowing, when I started looking about five years ago,

not knowing who my actual father, my biological father was, was, it put me in a really dark place. Like I'm talking about weeks in a dark room drinking dark. It was really, because I was kind of a drift, right? Don't make your brother cry in front of Kate Hudson. Well, it's not really, it has a happy ending. I mean, sort of, you know, through 23 and me and some good friends, we found out, you know, through those DNA tests, my grandparents were located and we made an educated guess of who, you know, my biological father was and submitted that name to my mom. And she's like, well, yeah, actually, I did, I did date that guy a little bit. Wow.

You know, so it was, but it was really brief, right? this is very much one of those hit-and-run situations. I think my mom and Chad's dad were really kind of like maybe fighting a little, and she had gone away to get away from all that, I think, for like a... Mike, you can't say Chad's dad. He was your dad and raised you from... Yeah, that's a whole other podcast. But three years ago, I found out who my biological father was.

I was lucky to gain a new brother and a new sister and 13 new cousins. I got seven new aunts and uncles. But sadly, my father had passed a year before I found out who he was. So that's really, that's kind of the sad part of this story. But the great part of this story is I just found a whole bunch of people that I, you know, share a bookprint with. Wow. Well, first I want to say thank you. you for sharing that. I mean, that's a really beautiful story, honestly, and relatable. And I think

you're going to touch a lot of people with that story. I know that it's not an easy thing to talk about, but I appreciate you being open about that. Did you look like your father? I mean, when you saw pictures of him, were you... So Mike's got, so there's a picture, actually. Oh, yeah. And well, guess what Michael's real father's name is? Michael. Yeah. No. Oh, my God. But mom didn't totally know who it was. Mom, don't listen to this. And so Mike's father's school picture is... Thanks, buddy.

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Because I know that you had said that you lived so far away from everything that, like, one record. I mean, it's not like, we're of the age, all of us, where we actually had either records or CDs. And when we were really little, it was tapes, you know. So it's not like you could just find music anywhere. How old are you, how old are you, Kate? 42. Okay, so you're, so, and Oliver, you're 44? 44, yeah.

So you're a 76 baby. 79. So we're all a bunch of 70s babies here. Yeah. like what's going on here. In order to actually get a record or get a tape, I mean, you had to either go to a truck stop, probably, right? We had a record store.

Yeah, we had a little record store. It was like, it turned into half a furniture store and half of, remember Mike, because it was called custom audio for a while, and then half of it became, they sold furniture, and then there was like a bunch of CDs over on the side wall. You could get something there if you wanted, you know, it wasn't like you just go to, you know, I remember the first thing

when I needed to download something illegally and I'm like, what is this lime wire thing? I've got to try this. Oh, my God. Lime wire. Lime wire. I don't even know what Lime wire is. That was before Napster. It was, yeah.

Lime wire was the precursor too. But, you know, it's, it's, but I know what you're getting at and it's like the same thing is if you broke a guitar string, Where we were at, it was just like devastating. It was so devastating. You just look at it just like, no.

Because now you've got to go and kiss someone's ass in that town that's got that e-string, you know, E-A-D-G-B, one of them, you know, one of those strings. It's like, hey, bro, how much you want for like a, how much you want for a D-string? Pretty much. Clearly, Chad, you just steal it. Oh, yeah, probably. Did they, didn't, do you remember that? Did they, didn't they sell, like, guitar strings and, like, drumsticks at custom audio?

Am I crazy? No, that was. So, Chantelle Kennedy's mom started a music shop, and they started getting some stuff in, but, like, I mean, we were already, I think we were already, I mean, you were, I think you were gone by then. So that was, that was a ways on. I mean, the same thing for a drummer, if you, if you were down. your last pair of drumsticks and you well how many times do you remember when we set up grandma's drum kit so there's a response to one of your questions kate when you said you know did you bring music to the family or to the family yeah bring it around so so uh my grandmother played drums and

my grandfather played bass in this uh band like big band big big big big band yeah um oh cool yeah so that was really nice wait your grandma played the drums that's awesome well just the great Well. Did she have like a 28-piece kit? It wasn't like the Neil Bird thing. No, no. She was a little more understated than that. But if you broke a drumstick,

you were getting duct tape and you were like, you weren't hitting hard with the right hand or left hand, whichever one it was. You know, you were like, you would just utilize anything you could, you know, to every single degree to make sure that you could just keep practicing or playing or whatever and so when we would so now if you need to learn how to play a song or you want to learn a lick or whatever it is you know a riff something you just go on the internet you know YouTube will show you a 1500 different ways to play it and you know it's it's just

not fucking fair because when we grew up it was just like you're sitting you're sitting there just like listening and you're like oh it's not quite right and yeah but it's I bet it makes better players, more imaginative players. I think it certainly does. Yeah, because you really, because you have to really hear it and you have to probably a more familiar foundation with the instrument. Yeah, maybe it's an organic, an organic sort of an organic beginning, I suppose. That's such a, that's such a kind way of saying you're just not as good as the kids these days.

Not as good as my son. No, no. I know, it's true. They just, like, look up YouTube, and before you know it, they're all doing, like, exactly. They just know how to play. It's so crazy.

Right. So when you got into acting, when either of you got into, like, did you guys go to any sort of formal education for acting? I did. I mean, it wasn't, like, formal, but I was always in and out of things that I was doing. You just hung out in the kitchen with your parents.

You just hung out with God, and Kurt. No, no, I, I, like, went to Williamstown Theater Festival. Yeah, I was different. I went to, like, you know, Pacos, Tacos and acting in Studio City. I would never know that, Oliver. I never would like it. I studied with different people that I did through the years, and I was always, like, doing plays and stuff like that.

And same with singing, like, I was in chorus. I was always doing something. I heard you sing. I heard you sing. It was like a pre-recorded thing or something that you had posted or from home or something like that. And I was like, oh, here we go,

another actor that thinks that they can sing. And then you started singing. And I'm like, okay, girls got chops. Girls got chops. I was like, damn. I'm like, that's not fair. She's a triple threat over there. Oh, that makes me feel good.

I'm glad you recognize. reading that. I love to sing. I love to say. I can tell. Yeah. I honestly, honestly, I, I thought at one point that's what I would have done. You know, I always wanted to be like a pop star. I think you. Not too late. You very easily could have made it. I've, I've, uh, and that was an auto tune. Now I just want to say. That's, I, it was really good. I was just like, I was just like, wow, she can really, really sing. Oh, thanks. Get on the plane, Kate. Get on the plane. I want to know when it started for you guys. Like, what was the moment when you're like, oh, fuck, I love music? Like, I know what that moment was for me. And I know what artist it was for me when I was like, I was like 14 in Muscoca. It's when I started to understand, like, music and sexuality and, like, music. Melissa Hethrich.

That's pretty, you pretty much hit it. Oh, my God, that's so funny. But, like, it, like, started to, like, like, just, like, it became everything. Like, I'd sink into it, you know? And it was Rolling Stones tattoo you. And it's where I started dreaming, where I realized that music and dreaming, like, really went together. What, did you, do you have any moments like that for you guys that were, where you really were, like, with an album or with a particular moment or concert where you're like, this is everything. I want to do. I think it would be like all these little moments of, of loving this one riff

and practicing it over and over. I remember, I remember a Metallica riff, actually, that I just absolutely loved, and I would just rewind, playback, rewind, play back, rewind, play back. And for all of you, millennials, rewind is a button that, uh, arrows going backward. Yeah. Just backs it up just a little bit. And once I nailed this one riff, I remember cranking up my amp in the kitchen. Mom was gone doing something. And I remember taking the phone off. I call my buddy and being like, dude, check this out.

And like playing this riff. And he's like, dude, you got it. Like, you're actually nailing this riff. And, I mean, it took me so long. just to get that rifted. But it was all those little moments of like where you, where you, or, you know, you'd sing something and sing and sing and sing and, you know, you're trying to increase your range and you just can't get up to this one note.

And then one day, it just something happens and you're just, wow, you're just hitting this note. There's all those little tiny moments that start, that leads you down that path of, I think we can do this. That and a huge, huge bag of bullshit. just just 80 pounds of bullshit shoved into a 40 pound sack just I'd like I just remember conning

I just felt like I conned the entire band into just about every single aspect of everything we did like we got the guitar player to go take out a loan for like $25,000 and he's like, are you sure these songs are good like these songs are amazing dude these are amazing songs like we just need to get to the next step and we were making like we were making our own CDs we were pressing our own CDs we were making our own so the inlays so I mean like these days when I look at and the papers worth more than the piece of plastic was so if you like it depended on how many colors you'd do because if you just did black and white the whole thing it was like the cost of oh it was just way cheaper and if you went to like 14 colors or 28 colors or however one was the

price just starts going through the roof. And so we had to manage every single aspect of that. And I'm sure you were the one who was telling him to get the 25 grand, you know, the hustler being like, no, trust you guys, this is going to work out. You're going to get your money back in more. This is at least a 10x play for you. It's a 10x player. I don't think I knew what a 10x play was at the time. And it was just like, you know, I was just like sugar. I was, you know, I was the politician. I was just the sugar-coding SOB that was just like conning everyone the whole way and and they came along willing and then so then I sort of had to become the fearless leader I'm like okay well I talked everybody into doing this so I have

to leave these guys into battle every single time we get on stage and if anything goes wrong or there's a problem with anything I take that on my shoulders and when um there's like a lull in the show or anything like that I'm always like okay I have to make this better I've got to sit down and we have to reanalyze like set lists. We've got to look at lighting. We're going to have to look at every single thing to make sure that every second of, you know, every show we play, people are just like, just entertained to the end of degree. Mike, I want to know what your moment was for music. Well, like him, it wasn't really one moment per se, but his was more performative. You know, he kind of got engaged with music performatively by doing it.

I remember long before I ever played having music make an impact on me that I couldn't really avoid. I remember sitting in our living room in that small town in Hannah and I would slide the record player out of the entertainment center and I would put on something like a queen record and just plug in headphones and just I played it so loud that it was like

I could feel it moving on my head you know and that was when I was I'd never played before. I never I didn't have any aspirations of actually playing music at that time it just hit me in a certain way and it really moved me to listen to it but I also it moved me

to listen to the different parts of what was going on in there you know and it it became kind of a habit and became important to me to hear this stuff And, and now I actually have a physical reaction to music that, you know, when it, like, and I've obviously gotten more sensitive with age or whatever. But when I listen to something, that's called IBS.

That's called IBS. Right. When I listen to something that really affects me, I can't help the waterwork start a little bit. I know. I'm the same. My throat closes. My throat closes when I really get something. And it doesn't happen very often.

But every once in a while, there's a track that I just like, I feel like I almost can't breathe. And my eyes water a lot. My kids bust me, you know, all the time and give me a hard time about it. And, and it, but it doesn't go away. The older Ollie gets, the more sensitive he gets. Yeah, my throat's closed right now. Oh, wow. You're welcome.

Yeah, it was Queen in Led Zeppelin. That was the stuff that really, really tore me up. Yeah. If that's the truth, Mike, then why did you wake me up? up every single morning before school, cranking Slayer. Oh, yeah. Well, that was later. I get kind of choky about Slayer now.

So, you know, it's a ball. Raining blood makes you cry. Yeah, yeah, exactly, right. I cry because I can't believe they can play that. It was raining blood. It was raining blood. I played my kids when they were, when they were babies. I was like, you guys, you got to hear raining blood.

And we're going to school just fucking rocking raining blood. Raining blood is, raining blood is, you know, to be uninitiated. The album is called Rain and Blood. The first song is called Rain and Blood. The last song is called Raining Blood. And that is the opus right there. I'm so amazed that you pulled that, Oliver. That's fantastic.

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When did it all happen? When was the, what was the moment? You know what I mean? Like, what was the single? How did it all happen? And all of a sudden, you're like, holy shit, we are. It was, it was this, it wasn't, I mean, it was kind of overnight, but it wasn't. So we had like, probably, I don't know, four or five, like, independent singles on the radio across Canada.

And, I mean, I mean, you know how the public thinks. They're like, oh, you're on the radio, you're rich. You know, but I was, I was still moving furniture. Like, I walked into this lady's house one time. I'm holding this heavy box, a God knows what. And she looks at me, goes, are you the singer for Nickelback? I'm like, yeah, where do you want this? Because this is heavy as hell.

You know, so you're still working straight jobs and whatnot. But, you know, once we got signed, even that was a slow progression. So we went out on the road for the first 14 months opening for absolutely everybody. and we went everywhere and then they gave us five weeks to go back in the studio and make a record and we made an album called Silver Side Up with a song on there called How You Remind Me and that was the moment where everything changed and then all of a sudden it was like okay we're everything changed just because that single just took off and that was it yeah Yeah, that got weird really quick, too.

It did. How did it get weird? It just went international instantly. So it was like we just started getting used to playing larger rooms in North America. And it's like, hey, you're going to Australia. Hey, you're going to England. Hey, you're going to Japan. You know, it got really, really cool. It was fun.

And were you guys pumped? Was there fear at all? Or were you guys like, I mean, fear of success in a sense? Like, holy shit. we're kind of here right now how do we maintain this or what do we do? Well they said to us they're like okay

how do you guys want the show to look because you can do anything you want we're like well what do you mean we can do anything we want they said well the entire world tour is sold out and you guys are playing arenas and you guys can do anything you want and I'm like I want to blow up

everything I want flames I want flames coming out of the stage I want explosions I want a massive stage I want a huge screen. I want, you know, all these things. And they're like, done, done. And then we, you know, it was just a, and it was just fun.

And what year, what year was this? 2001. 2001, yeah, and into the, end of 2000. Yeah, it was 2001 in the beginning of 2002 when it was when it was the eye of the hurricane, so to speak. And then after 2002, second album stuff. you know was there pressure in a sense to like okay we did one let's keep this train going yes yes turns out that's how you keep the lights on at record companies they're just giving us the whole I mean they were supportive and everything but they

all of them like our manager the record company is like okay well you can't really have this kind of success and then duplicate it so you should just sort of prepare yourself for the downhill you know the down slope and we came out with a song called Someday and then on there was a rock track that started off with, I like your pants around your feet.

And and then the vitriol began. If you can have success with a sophomore album then you've really like sort of kind of solidified you know, it's sort of like that pressure is real you know. But some people

have a shitty sophomore in the their third album's better, you know. And that was the case. That was indeed the case. Because we put out an album after that called All the Right Reasons, and it had seven singles on it, you know, songs like photograph, far away, animals, rock star, side of a bullet. I mean, it was just, if everyone cared, there was just this, you know, crazy monster

record because they kept telling it so they were just prepared so like the third album is just going to tank you know and I think at this point it's I think we're somewhere in the neighborhood of $22 million in sales on the third record. Wow. On the third record. The third record

sold 22 million copies. That's so crazy. Yeah. And that one went on to become easily our largest like our most successful album. How many records have you guys sold you know in your career? 50, right? It's getting close to $60 million now.

Is it really? Yeah. Yes, it is. Wow. That's a lot of things. I don't know what does 50 or 60 million of anything look like. Can anybody help me with that? I don't know.

It's weird. A lot. It looks an awful lot like not having to wake up to an alarm unless you're getting on a Zoom call with Kate and Oliver. Amen. You guys, do you write everything? Is it all you? Do you ever bring in writers and do you produce your own albums or do you work with producers?

I mean, some, I would assume, you work with some pretty great producers. We did for a while. I mean, we've worked with, so I guess the biggest one would be Mutt Lang. We brought Mutt out of retirement. And we were very, very fortunate to, because I think I personally was worried that it was, things were going to start getting a little stagnant or a little stale. And I didn't want, because when a lot of the chord progressions or a lot of the melodies are coming out of, I guess I would be called the primary writer, and they're coming out of me,

I was just worried that I'm going to start going back to the same well a lot of times involuntarily. And so I wanted to be cognizant of that, and I thought it would be great if we could bring someone in that would take us down different paths safely, you know, and just be like, try this, try this, try this, try this, try this. And that was an album called Dark Horse. And that was, that was wonderful. That was great.

But a lot of times, it's usually us sort of steering the ship and knowing where we're going. Because you can kind of tell what you're writing. Like when it starts coming out, it's like, oh, it's going to be one of these. It's going to be like a heavy rock tune. Or it's going to be, oh, this is going to be sort of a nostalgic mid-tempo guy. And you just sort of know where you're directing it. But even in that sense, it's nice to just have someone come in and give you different flavors.

Yeah. Did you go to Mutt in Switzerland? Did you go to his place there? Yeah, we did three songs in Switzerland. And then he and Eileen were having some problems there. And that's Shania's real name, Oliver. You look confused. I know what I mean.

Come on, Eileen. So then, so he, Mutt said, hey, I think we should, let's go to your place. I was like, okay. So then Mutt moved in here for five months. seven straight seven straight months sorry Brad's Brad is correcting me

seven every day here yes and then we yeah so you got 2001 you got 2001 there's certain genres of music that get hot

and then fall away right so how do you move with that did you move with that do you have any regrets that you maybe didn't sort of conform to the new genres

or evolve and I'm not saying you haven't but you know where do you stand there as far as through your evolution of sorts and then when we first started this thing Oliver um you know four dudes in a band playing you know with guitars and stuff it was more about the shenaya twains of the world at that time and and the way that the industry treated it and the consumers too was that if you weren't like a female singer-songwriter pretty much wasting your time like when we first started

that was the sentiment in in the world of music at that time. So we were fighting headwinds from the beginning. What was the year? What was the year? That was like 96. You know, when we first began, 96, 97. And that was, it was sort of, yeah, it was major headwinds, major headwinds. And we've had them since, you know, the cycle of music continues apace, right? You know, we see that sometimes it's cool to be in a rock band,

and sometimes it's harder to sell that. and, you know, it looks like it's coming back around again, thank goodness. Oh, yeah, it is. I can tell with the Gen Z, too, like my son, and they're all listening to, like, early 90s music, and they all want to be in rock bands. Yeah. Thank God.

Thank God. How do you guys deal with, like, how do you guys deal with haters and, like, you know, the people who are always hating on you guys or the people who are, you know, that once that social media kicks, up and how does that affect you? How do you deal with that shit? Do you just slough it off and say, fuck off? We're doing what we're doing.

Does it get into your soul? Like, where are you at with all that? We fixate on it until we can't sleep at night. Oh, stop it. So the real answer is that in the beginning, you know, when we started this thing, we were very much, you know, there's very much that phenomenon where it's the hopeless us new guys who don't have a chance that everybody gets behind because you're you're the underdogs and everybody wants to cheer for an underdog and get behind what we were doing and you know

so we went from utter and total obscurity nobody knew who we were to be in the new guys who you know hapless helpless basically no chance in how this is going to work and everybody you know jumped on and wanted to support us and help us and then and then when you pass a certain kind of threshold of whatever everybody considers to be visibility, that's when it's time for you to get cut back down again. You know, the tall poppy syndrome. I'm sure you've heard of that before. You just, you grow, you grow beyond what the rest of the tribe thinks you should be. So you, you, they send you out there to cut your own switch and, and they kick your ass. And in the beginning, it's such the nature of the beast, isn't it?

Yeah, it does. It happens. You know, it really hurt in the beginning. until I think for me it's I just kind of realized that all of my favorite bands went through that when they were successful you know all my favorite fans got roundly killed for doing well you know because it's like oh I was a fan when they you know when it was cool you know everybody's like oh yeah they used to be cool but now they sold all these records and they suck you know that that's the sentiment that just overrides everything I remember it even going to high school, even junior high school, people saying that about bands that, you know, Bon Jovi was a good example, that everybody loved Bon Jovi and then Bon Jovi got really huge and it's like, yeah, fuck these guys, you know, like get rid of it. You know, that's, it's time for them to get cut down, you know, and it's not fair because they're obviously fantastic still and we're fantastic the whole time.

He's the best. How about you guys as brothers? I mean, I was on a tour once with Noel and Liam and then my ex-husband and Rich. I have a story for you, Kate. And Chad doesn't know this one. It just happened a few weeks ago. You were going to break the band up a couple weeks ago. I was at a restaurant here in Los Angeles where many of the fabulous are known to frequent or whatever.

And I ran into a friend of mine who's a photographer, and his name's Ross Halpin. He's an angry little British man, and I love him. I love Ross. He said, he said, hey, I'm here with the black pros guys. Would you like to meet them? And I was like, sure. So he took me over to the table where the two brothers are sitting, right? And they got up to say hello and shake hands.

And oh, hi, nice to meet you, you know. And I said, so how's it going? And Chris grabbed Rich by, like, around the neck and, like, kissed his face and laughed and laughed. And I was like, you're not fooling anybody, man. I know how this works. I'm in a band with my brother, too. You don't have to, you don't have to do that. But then they were roaring.

They laughed their hands off about that. And the truth is, you know, it's never going to be perfect. You know, it is never going to be perfect. And, yeah, no, we don't get in. into the Gallagher-esque brawls or, you know, publicly embarrass ourselves like that, but we certainly don't always agree, you know, but we, you know, we take care of stuff on our own and have a little, you know, like, yeah, just, we're, it's not, it's not so charged that we can't keep a lid on it, let's say. I don't know. I feel like the band dynamic is that it really does

need a very like real strict boundaries or else it can get super messy. Chad's the guy who has to sing the songs. So, you know, and he has, like he said, when somebody breaks a string or something fucks up, he's the guy who has to keep the train moving when the train's getting worked on. So that's just naturally a leadership position. Chad leads his band, absolutely. We, yeah, maybe on stage. The thing, that Mike and I would disagree on would be like, you know, are we going to go to South Africa after Germany or do you want to go there after we hit Russia, you know, and then figuring out the logistics of when to go to different countries and whatnot? And that's when that's when

all, you know, we start budding heads on logistics. So, Typically, and I don't know what most bands fight over, I mean, it's, I'm sure from pizza toppings to whatever else, I don't know. But I know that when we, when we have arguments, it has more to do with, almost more to do with like running a global corporation than it does to do with being in a band together. Because when you can't go to Australia, because the Australian dollar is so low that we're, We're going to lose money, and we have to wait for the Aussie buck to come back up. Do we head over to Europe first? And these are the things that we have to figure out logistically. It's not like, no, I said go to the A minor, bro.

Yeah, we don't have those like rehearsal hall scraps where somebody didn't fucking play the right chord or something and somebody gets punched in the mouth. Like that doesn't happen. I mean, it sounds like you wouldn't because you have. just beyond music, you guys have a great brotherly relationship from the get. It's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's good.

You know, there's foundation there's stability. So you're able to sort of maybe communicate better than the Robinson brothers of the Gallagher's. Yeah. Did someone in your PR literally think that you guys should fight publicly? That happens. are you just like going through nasty shit on the internet right now you're just reading no no i listen researches i have all kinds of steps in here we had uh we were i remember this kate we were in london and they wanted us to get they wanted me to get arrested for something no no no

it's not that one no that oh it was when one of our singles um i don't remember which single it was or even what album it was but i remember i was in the jury street uh a jury's hotel on on I'm great Russell Street in London, and my phone and my room rang, and I picked it up, and it was one of the promo guys from New York. Be more specific. Be more specific. I have one. I'm going to protect the identities of being guilty here.

But aside from that, I'm going to be pretty specific. And, you know, the guy called and he said, well, first of all, a little bit of background. We had a single that I think was struggling a little bit, and they were having a hard time breaking into the top 10 or something like that. And what he suggested was that Chad and I get in an actual fist fight publicly, that we, that we go to a bar and actually stage a fight. And I was like, dude, you're on fucking crack. There is no way we're going to do it. We're into success and selling records, but come on.

Like that's insane. That's insane. But I don't know that everyone says no to that, guys. Oh, my God. I think more people would probably say yes than no, honestly. I mean, you know, who doesn't love to put on a show for the people? Oh, I think about it every day. I'm sure we could choreograph a really sweet Jackie Chan.

You should do it really funny. You should do a really funny fight, you know? Yeah, it's all funny until somebody gets hit in the nose and then it's like, that's real. We're going off script, bro. We're going off script. You guys doing new music? yes yes yeah you're in the studio now i mean you guys are actually in the midst of recording

i'm in the studio right now so i'm in my studio so we i just so how far along how far along are we i mean are we probably half cool oh that's exciting are you going to start touring anytime soon i think we've got 44 shows lined up in 2022 starting in june and what kind of venues are you plan are you going to play Amphitheaters. Oh, fun. Yeah, we're going to play all those sheds, those semi-indoor, semi-outdoor things, yeah. This is exciting.

I have loved getting to know you and talk to you for this hour. And I want to get into our speed round because I know. You're going to have to do this on your own because I got to go to the studio, 10.30. I'm already late. I'm already late. But this was really fun. And there's more to talk about. I want to get into all the devious stuff.

I had a great time, you guys. Thank you. I appreciate you. Love you, Ollie. Thank you very much. All right. Well, let's do the speed round. Speed round. Okay. One word to describe each other. Creative.

Responsible. My God. What would Chad do without you, Mike? It sounds like you kind of hold. all the pieces together. You're the moral, Mike's moral compass. You know, that is what it sounds like. I think it would be just fine. Mike's the, Mike's the band grandmother. Okay, one word to describe your relationship. Hmm. At the risk of stoking the fires, I'd say complex. It is complex. I was going to say diverse. Ooh, that's a good word too. Why is it so complex? Do you guys haven't really delved into your complexity.

Because we wear different hats. I mean, he and I literally can finish up. Each other. A heated sandwiches. A heated debate. And then, you know, the second we're off the road, he's like, okay, so are you going to come over and see the kids because, you know, it's Avalon's birthday?

And I'm like, yeah, just when do you want me over there? you want me like at seven, so come see it's seven. You know, and then it's just family goes, it goes, it's so weird to go from, you know, running a band together to like all of a sudden I'm Uncle Chad or I'm the brother or I'm the brother-in-law to Angela, my sister-law. So there's just such, it's, it's, there are many dichotomies. I feel like all sibling relationships are actually pretty complex. Okay, who's more emotional?

Oh, go ahead, Chad. I well come on man I guess I got to say me but in different ways like I say you okay yeah that's just my answer yeah are you comfortable do you cry a lot or do I cry on see that's what I meant by so just the word emotional alone is just like which which emotion what kind of emotional well emotional I mean are you comfortable crying yeah it just takes the right amount of tequila. Great. Oh, so you're a cryer. I get it. No.

Stage four. Stage four. Stage four is the crying part. No. See, I would think that the emotion part comes, I would, you know, there's a lot of passion that comes with it. So if I'm passionate about something, creativity or any part of like a vision that I'm seeing, well, it was the same. way when we were trying to get this band off the ground, for me, it was either you're in or you're in the way. And there is nothing in between. Either you're in or you're in the way. And when I see

the end goal, nothing on this planet will stop me from getting there. And so, do I bring emotion into that? 100%. And I'm insanely competitive. I don't... I just saw it. I just saw it. Wait, when's your birthday, Chad? What's your son? If you had to guess. Okay, you're a fire sign.

I'm a Scorpio 100%. Oh, oh, God. Okay. Mike? I'm a cancer sign. Oh, no wonder. You guys, like, fit your signs. Okay, you're a Scorpio.

Jesus. Yeah, I say Scorpio, and she goes, oh, yeah. Mike says cancer. Okay, who's more introverted? Mike. Yeah, me, for sure. Definitely. Could survive the longest on the road.

Me. Yeah, probably, yeah. Who is a tattletale? Me. Mike, for sure. I'm very rule-bound person. I'm a rule-bound person. I'm a rule-bound person.

I'm a truth-bound person. I don't keep secrets, as was evidenced earlier in the podcast. I just, I don't, I'm not good at being false. I'm not good at it at all. I paddle, I follow the rule. I tell them myself, you know, if I do something wrong. What was the first album you ever bought? Do you remember yours, Chad?

Do you know, docking back for the attack or something like that? My, whole. Good one. Dockon back for the attack. attack? I don't even know what it is? Metal band Dawkin from the 90s? 90s? This is 80. 80s. Oh, okay. Maybe, yeah, you're right. I think the first one was tooth and nail. Okay. Oh, yeah, right, with the, yeah, with the claw thing on the cover, right? Yeah. Mine was pink floyd the wall, actually. Oh, yeah. Still one of my favorites. What's the thing you most

fight about. Whether or not we're going to do a podcast with Kate and Oliver. No, you're going to fight about why you did the podcast. Well, we'll see how this gets edited. So if you could live off one food forever, what would it be? I don't know if you know what this is. Well, yeah, you spend enough time in Canada. Perogis.

Oh, my God. Parogies. I really developed a powerful addiction to venison. That is the first time we've heard that on this show. Venison. It's a beautiful lean meat. Super lean. You've got to bring your own fat when you cook that stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, I really like it a lot. Who's the most athletic? Mike. Yeah, it's my. Mike works out a lot. Okay, who has better taste in music? Oh, Chad, for sure.

That's not true, because I literally am the biggest nickelback fan of the world, so I got to go with Mike. I don't know. I mean, it depends on what your idea of good taste is, right? Like, I mean, you know, that's pretty subjective. It's hard and hard to say what's good taste. What does that mean to you? So, like, Kate,

Every single time we get off stage and Mike puts in his, his earbuds or whatever he's listening to, it's just nonstop. Oh, geez. It's like 24-7, the heaviest, screamingest, most angriest, pissed-off shit you've ever heard in your life. Like, it is angry. Basically, your kids like jazz. Yeah. Right? Like your kids are like the opposite.

They're like, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, my children listen to everything from, let's see here, like Chet Baker to the Sex Pistols. Yeah. So your kids have the best taste of music is what you're saying. And my kids do have the best taste of music. Okay.

first celebrity crush Kate Hudson I'm not allowed I'm not allowed that's unfair I can't use you okay Leonardo Rodecapria good one I love that one

I love that one he's pretty dreaming Chad I don't know first celebrity crush You could ask her obliquely like that. Oh, oh wait. Just a minute.

There was a girl that used to be in movies once in a while, and I was, she was in something like the babysitter or something like that. Elizabeth Shoe. Oh, yeah, she had a moment. It might have been Elizabeth Shoe. Or Phoebe Kates, you know, from fast times. Or Nicole Egert. I remember Nicole Egert?

She was... Save by the... She was in Charles in charge. First concert. Okay. We were together. What was it? Metallica?

No, I thought it was... Wait a minute. Was it poison? I think it was poison in Tesla. Yeah, it was poison in Tesla. I think it was the first one. Oh, I think Metallica was the second one. Yeah, it was.

It was. it to and justice for all. That's right. That's right. Okay. Poisoned at Tesla. Okay. If you were to rob a bank, who would be driving the getaway car and who would actually

rob the bank? If you, I mean, we don't have to, we don't have to answer this question. You already know. You know who it is. Tell us who it is. I just feel like Chad would do both. I was just going to say. I don't want any part of this.

He's robbing a bank. He's literally robbing. The bank! He's in there! But as far as driving goes, there's no question. Who would do the driving? Like, Chad would do the driving. I refuse to ride and call with this guy.

Oh, no. Oh, God. It is utterly... Out of control. Yeah. Don't do it. And do you like cars? Are you one of those?

I just have nothing but horrible attributes. Just the worst person on the planet. Well, we've settled who's the most emotional. Yeah. Uh-huh. You're an emotional driver. I'm getting that you're an emotional... I'm an emotional driver.

All right. So our last question that we ask, it's a two-part question. And the first part of it is what is one thing that you would love to emulate, something that your brother, you know, characteristic of your brothers that you wish, that you would love to emulate. And then the other part is that what is the one thing from your brother? that you wish you could alleviate because you think it would make their life

better or more optimal? I would say if I ever become a father, I would like to be as good a father as Mike is, because Mike is like he would win dad of the year every

year since the moment of those children's birth. He is, wow, just unlimited patience. Yeah, okay. No, no. I'm going to pull a tear here, Mr. Okay, yeah, you do it, do it. And if I could alleviate one attribute from Mike

that I think would make his life easier, what would it be? an attribute that I could alleviate from your life if I could take something from you and make your life easier. I'm going to say I think that if you were just a little bit more carefree I think your stress level would probably come down a bit. I think you're right on target with that one

because that's, I think, the thing I need the most work on as a person is how to relax and not be so stressed. Stress is a killer, you know. That clocks, that clocks, wound a little tight. Oh, shit. Yes. Okay.

So, shoot. The thing that I admire most about, about Chad, is that the gift that Chad has to create is something that, well, I'm not the only one. I mean, I've, you know, I've talked to some of the most creative people in the world, and they have said that the chat is a standout creative. And to be able to sit down and turn nothing into something is, it mystifies me completely. And I admire it so much. It's such a, it's such a special thing that only, you know, a handful of people get to do, you know, or can do, that is. Or have that ability to be able to do that.

And I think that's probably the, you know, the most amazing thing about you is that you can, you know, to be able to be able to do that. able to do that is it's really a special thing. I don't, I think it would be easy to minimize, but I would never do that. I never. I think it's a tremendous, a tremendous attribute. And it's really a mystery, you know, honestly. Thank you. And we already said I was the emotional one, so stop. The thing that I would revise about Chad, Or alleviate. Or alleviate. Oh, he's not going to stop there.

It's going to be revised for sure. You're kind of changing the question. Okay, okay. Yeah, to make his life better, right? I think it would be really good for him if he could not consider what other people think to have any importance. You know, I wish he really truly didn't give her a shit. I really do. because I think that would make his life so much better.

You guys, thank you so much. I really appreciate your candidness and coming on and spending this hour with us. It was awesome. And I look forward to seeing you in person one of these days. That'd be great. Thanks so much for this opportunity. Kate, it was really nice.

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