Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Nina and Alex Dobrev

Episode Date: February 24, 2022

Nina Dobrev and her brother Alex sit down with Kate and Oliver this week on Sibling Revelry. They discuss emigrating from Bulgaria, the "absolute hatred" they had for each other as kids, how travel brought them closer together, and more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickEdited by Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by:Sakara (Sakara.com/sibling)Future (tryfuture.com/sibling)Angela BlackSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling, Revellerie. That's good.

All about. Hudson, Hudson, Hudson, Hudson. Oliver. Hudson, Hudson, Hudson, Hudson. These are always our new intros, guys. This is how we're going to intro every episode. It's like some like Europe. he in eight 90s gym like oliver hudson hudson hudson hudson hudson hudson like french i don't know what i'm not

sure what language that was oliverr hootsen hudson well actually this is this works because we're introducing nina alistobro who are from bulgaria right it's a Bulgarian it's a Bulgarian beat so no this was fun i've known nina a long time uh i've never met her brother and he's funny he was really funny super dry yeah sitting in his cubicle yeah in Toronto but what I loved about this is I got to know her differently than I ever have which is really understanding where she came from I had no idea what her story is I mean a real I mean immigrants from Bulgaria during communist Bulgaria right and the family moved to to Canada.

Yeah. And their journey there is interesting which they talk about. Yeah, which was wild. I was like, what? How come I didn't? I felt kind of like weird that I didn't know, you know? I was like, I.

Yeah. They were both extremely rebellious kids. And they weren't really close, honestly, when they were young. They got close when they got older. It was a really interesting immigrant story about, you know, trying to really find your place in a new country. And then also sort of the traveling. I mean, she went back to Bulgaria when she was younger because her mother had to.

That's right. Yeah, don't give it away. Okay. But I'm just saying I really appreciated this podcast because it's the first time I think we've really heard about it from the child's perspective. Right. moving countries and, I mean, you know, Bulgarian was their first language. Yeah. They also explain their childhood as absolute hatred, which was like they really didn't like each other.

You kind of play it down a little bit, like they really didn't like each other. And now it's totally different. Anyway, I think this is really interesting and I look forward to. hearing your feedback. Don't forget to hit subscribe and to hit your like button. Yes, hit your like button. And I guess I review. Reviews are helpful. Right. And hit me up. Just generally. And right in. Right in. We want to hear your stories. Shoot me a DM. Now that we're opening up, Oliver and I are contemplating maybe doing some live stuff. So we kind of want to like, you know, hit us up so we know where you're at. Oh, yeah. And. I'm going to.

And yeah, Oliver wants to dance for you. And be sure to do five stars. Five star readings. Alice, it's just raff it up. So here is Nina and Alex Dope. Hi, you guys. Welcome to our podcast. Thank you.

Where are we speaking from? Nina, where are you right now? I am in Los Angeles right now. You're in L.A. Alex, where are you? You're in Toronto. Toronto. Toronto. Cold Toronto.

Is it cold? Where are we at there? Super cold. Are we in negative? Minus 20 Celsius, which is what, zero Fahrenheit? Oh, my God. Yeah. Are you from Toronto originally?

We originally from Bulgaria, but we moved to Canada when I was two, and Alex was six, I think. Were you six, Alex? Yeah, six. She guys were born and born, Bulgaria, raised Canadian. Correct. Correct. You're Bulgarian.

You're Bulgarian. That's correct. Oh, really? That's how you pronounce it? No. No. Oh, Jesus. I was like, wow, that's really far up. So, mom and dad, Bulgarian, Do you have any memories of, Alex?

I know, Nina, you probably don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we essentially grew up in, like, communist Bulgaria. And the memories that I have are like, you two literally have, like, proper memories. But what you were told is that the power would run out at 7 p.m. Because too many people were on the grid. So just be living on, like, candles at nighttime.

And playing in the streets, no, like, but we couldn't get, let's say, things like, like cheese or bread, like, just wasn't enough for everyone. And your parents were always lining up to get groceries. It's if you guys have, you guys haven't been to Cuba, I don't think, because you guys are American. But it's kind of like that. You line up for everything. Wow. So your parents were like, fuck this. We're going to Canada.

Exactly. And how did they get to? Canada. It was kind of sketchy from what I've heard. We kind of smuggled in because we weren't like you weren't really allowed to leave because of the communist regime. You were only allowed to travel to other communist countries. So if I'm not mistaken, my dad booked a flight to Cuba and on the way to Cuba, it's such a long flight. They have to stop in Canada to refuel. And my dad got off the plane and never got back on and he was so nervous

that he was going to get caught that he wore like a Hawaiian shirt on the plane and like disguised himself as though he was going on vacation but it was the dead of winter in Canada so underneath the Hawaiian shirt he had like seven sweatshirts

and like a coat and all these things it sounds like he would be more of like a like you know that you could spot him from like five miles away who's this fake tourists this is not It was, like, not a very incognito outfit.

Totally. And apparently, he wasn't the only one, like, a bunch of other people were doing the exact same thing from Bulgaria. So, like, half the plane got off and never got back on. And everybody was wearing the same outfit that my dad was. And they had to, like, and they separated because they didn't want it to look suspicious. So my dad went solo and, like, kind of scoped it out in Canada and to find out where we live and all that stuff first.

And then my mom had family in Michigan, I think. And so she got a visa to visit the family in Michigan and brought my brother and I. And then they drove her from Michigan to the Canadian border. And then she walked across the Niagara Falls with my brother in one hand. And she held me in the other hand in like a carry-on suitcase. Wow. And that's how we got into Canada. Amazing story.

The status wild. I mean. Yeah. Wow. I don't even know where to begin. Okay, wait. So now, what did your father do? In Bulgaria?

What was his job? Yeah, like, what was his vocation? Is that the right word? Vacation. Yeah, what did he study? No, I don't know what he studied originally. I know he does now, but I don't know what he did then before. He was a civil engineer, but he got into programming.

So he was just working on computers. And mom? Once he got to Canada. Even before. even before he was doing programming for construction companies. Oh, I didn't know that. And he, but when he got to Canada, none of that counted. They didn't recognize any of his studies.

So he worked at a gas station for a period of time. As it like a gas station, like an attendant who puts the gas in the cars. And then he worked at a pizza delivery. He had all these like random odd jobs when we first got to Canada because he didn't speak English really. And he didn't have, we weren't technically allowed to be there. And if we went back to Bulgaria, we would have got. I don't know.

I don't know what the consequence. So how did you eventually get legal status? I mean, asylum or how did that work? Yeah, because it would have been dangerous for us to go back. If we'd gone back, that we would have gotten into trouble. And so eventually we became aliens, like immigrants that were allowed. Am I saying it right, Alex? Do you have anything to add?

I think you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom had to go to interviews and explain why if she went back, we'd be in trouble with the government, yeah. And your mom, did she have a job? Initially, back in Bulgaria, she was an art restoration professional. So if a painting gets destroyed during a flood or a fire in the church, she goes in and uses all these different chemicals and brings it back to life.

Wow, cool. Ooh, and does she still do that? On the side, yeah. That's fun. That's like a real art. That's a real skill. So this is so interesting. So your dad was just a hustler.

He was just surviving, doing what he could. And you guys were kids growing up at what point did he turn it from gas station attendant to actually being able to support, provide, and have a sort of stable life for you guys. Do you remember that? I can only tell you from what I've heard. I feel like Alex would know more about that. I just know that he, yeah, like you said, he was just trying to make ends meet. We had very, very humble beginnings. At that time, like, we didn't have new toys or any cool things that we got to play with.

Like, we just got whatever, like, we actually literally, like, played in the yard or, like, outside or made, makeshift things. Yeah, you're right. Dad did the gas station stuff. And then pizza delivery guy, that's how he kind of learned is, like, broken English. And then from there, you slowly got back into the whole programming business worked for small firms to medium-sized firms. And then by the 2000s, he was already working for IBM or Compact. And he like, yeah, just like Oliver said, like he hustled. He pushed forward and he was able to kind of support.

Amazing. That must have been really. I mean, I'm curious, like, what your childhood, like, what was it like? What was it like? I mean, was it, did it feel like a struggle? Or were you guys, was it, did your parents sort of evoke feelings of like joy and out of the simplicity of like trying to just make ends meet? Or was it heavy?

I don't, I don't really remember it being heavy. I think I was too little. And that was just my normal at the beginning. I don't think until I got to junior high or high school is what I, started to realize that, like, I started hanging out with other families and going to friend's houses and realizing that they lived in bigger houses and they had new clothes and they had, like, they could order whatever food they wanted. And like, we, we didn't really have any of those luxuries. Like my mom, I was really embarrassed for a long time and now I love vintage clothes,

but I used to like, she would take me to this place called Value Village in Canada that is like their version of Salvation Army. And it was all used clothes. And I was really embarrassed because I wanted, like, the new thing or whatever my friends had. And then eventually she changed it from Value Village. And it was like our code word because I didn't want her to say it. She was like, do you want to go to Versace today? Like, we need to get me some new clothes. And I was like, uh-huh, yeah.

And so, yeah, it wasn't until later that I started to notice that we were a little different. And, like, we didn't speak English at home. We spoke Bulgarian. That was our first language. So, like, that as I got older, I started to realize the differences. but not when I was young. What about you, Alex? I didn't feel like we were, yeah,

I didn't feel like, let's say, like poor or rich. It was like this middle ground. We had everything we needed, but it wasn't in excess. So, yeah, kind of like you said, like I'd go to friends' house after school and for some reason they'd have dinner at 5 o'clock, while we'd have dinner at 9 o'clock, and they would have these elaborate dinners

and have, like, ice cream and such. like we just ice cream for us was just like once a week to kind of celebrate were you guys raised on some very like very traditional Bulgarian custom uh you know uh customs or traditions did was this something that was like a part of your daily life i'd say so yeah yeah uh it's like an eastern orthodox or Greek Orthodox and uh traditions in terms of like being close with uh what the church says, but we didn't really care about going to church. We just kind of hung out with some of the people that were around.

So it was an excuse to get together, have barbecues, and drink. So was there like a strong Bulgarian community? I wouldn't say strong, maybe like medium, like kind of like here and there, but they were all friends with each other because you're trying to make it in the Canadian sort of lifestyle. And give me like one traditional Bulgarian thing

that you guys would do as kids. For Christmas and kind of any occasion, well, not in any occasion, but for Christmas, actually, no, I like every occasion. Like, there's a thing called Bonita that we would make. And it's basically filo dough, butter, feta cheese, yogurt, and egg. And you just layer it on top of, like, layer, over layer, over layer. And it's so, so good. And obviously, this was before I knew that I couldn't do dairy or gluten. And I would just be, it was like.

The main thing in my diet was the things that I couldn't eat and feeling kind of shitty was my normal for a very long time. So I didn't really realize it. But that's a very traditional Bulgarian dish. And for Christmas, my mom would put in little, like, she calls them Lux, when she'd write down certain fortunes. And she'd put them in little, like, what's that silver stuff called? Aluminum foil. Aluminum foil. Yeah.

So she'd like put in aluminum foil. Oh, thank you. And she put it in each piece so that when you get a piece of the bonica, you also get a good fortune for the year. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. What was, what about you guys in your relationship growing up, you know, as brother and sister? Were you close?

Were you not close? You know, did you confide in each other? Did you lean on each other? Or did you just hate each other? I'll take, I'll let you take this one, Alex. Alex? Absolute hatred. Really?

Yeah. Oh, no. You guys were like us? Yeah, they were like us. Well, what's the age difference between you guys? Two and a half years. Yeah, you guys have like doubled you guys five and could not stand each other. Really?

Oh, no. Why? Let's go with you first, Al. Well, Alex, why? Why? Like, what about Nina? We're like, oh, Jesus Christ. She just messed in everything that like that was of interest to me.

Like the food I wanted, she'd get into it and she'd mess it up or, activities with friends. She'd always want to join and just be the little brat. But the issue became where we would just, if we had shared interests, my parents always made it so that Nina kind of like gets her way

because she's a youngest and she's a girl. And I struggled with that. Like I didn't believe it just because she's younger, yeah. But was that, is that the truth? Meaning, or was this your perception? Or Nina, did you actually get away with shit and your parents, you were number one. I mean, or is that just Alex's idea of what's happened?

I have a different perspective. So I idolized him when I was little. And even now, like we recently got all of our childhood videos converted into digital. So I've been watching some of them. And you can see that I'm like obsessed with him, but I'm five years younger than him. So can you imagine if at 20 years old, if somebody, told you to hang out with like a 14 or 15 year old like you wouldn't want anything to do with it it was probably in my opinion now kind of one of those situations like I just wasn't cool enough for him

and I will admit I was a little bratty and like getting my way and like getting a rise out of him to get attention so I would bug him so that he would notice me like I was the typical boy girl situation that you learn about in school where you're like girls boys will do things to, like, hurt the girls to tell them that they like them. That was my method, too. I was, like, a tomboy growing up. So I would just, like, poke him or hurt him or push him or do whatever I could to piss him off because then you would have my, I would have his attention.

Right. Yeah. And when did it come together? At what point was like, you know what? Let's be friends. Or are we still in that moment? No, I don't think so. No.

I actually, I don't know, Alex, are we? We're fine. As soon as we moved out of the house, we were fine. Yeah. That's when it all, that's when it all started to work out. I think once we became adults, you know, once we were arguably the same age, despite the five-year gap, like, once you're in your 20s,

it doesn't really matter anymore. And I don't know, like I became less annoying, I think. And we chose to hang out with each other. common interest. Like we would go out and share a drink together or we would go on trips and we're both very adventurous and we love to travel. So we started taking trips together as adults. Oh, that's fun. That's cool. Became peers, yeah. When you guys were growing up, you couldn't speak English in the house, right? You only spoke

Bulgarian. At the beginning, yeah. We started to rebel eventually. How was your English in school? I think we were, I mean. Was it fine? At school, yeah, no, you're like sponges at that age. You sort of absorb it. I think we had Canadian accents in school at the time. Like, I've lost that since, but. Not your brother.

Your brother has a Canadian accent. Now, do you guys speak English to each other or Bulgarian? English. So you don't speak to each other. See, that's interesting. I feel like if we were Italian and grew up with Italian parents, we'd be speaking Italian to each other. Well, yeah, just to be cool. Yeah.

Yeah, but I think, I think, I don't know. I mean, we do when we need to, like for necessity, if we want to talk shit about someone or if there's a secret that we don't want someone to know, we'll speak in Bulgarian. But when you're the other in school and when you're different than everyone else, all you want to do is be like your peers when you're a young kid. So we desperately just want I'm speaking for myself obviously

But I just desperately wanted to fit in So I was like I didn't want to speak Bulgarian I didn't want to like I was kind of rebelling against all that Because I wanted to fit in with my friends So for a long time it was all that English for me What about you Alex? Well we only knew in the house Bulgarian like Hey I'm to dinner and like what do you want like get past the salt

So we couldn't really express ourselves as well as we could in English So English kind of prevailed until once we got into high school a little bit, my dad got upset. He's like, hey, when I speak to you in Bulgarian, I need you to reply in Bulgarian. And then they started taking us to Bulgaria more. And at one point, Nina actually lived in Bulgaria for two years while my mom was finishing up her school. And she came back and her friends were so excited to see her and they all show up at the house. And they're like, Nina, welcome back. And then Nina, like, tried to speak.

And she couldn't. like she lost her English after two years in being in Bulgaria. Wow. And she had to like re like re-remember English at one point. How old were you when you went there back to Bulgaria? I think it was 10 and I came back when I was around 12. Oh, wow. So mom.

Now are your parents still together? No. And were they separated then? That's around when they separated. That break is kind of what caused the separation. I'm just assuming, yeah, that she left. Yeah. She, no, they were together when she left. She went back to finish her, she'd finished college, but she wanted to get her master's. So she went back to Bulgaria for two years to get her master's degree. And then when she came back, I split up. What was your experience? Did you see your brother at all? No. No, it was a good time. That was really good time. Alex. But you were already in college, I'm assuming, almost. Well, no, 16. Yeah, he's. Yeah.

senior, junior, senior. So you were with dad, you went with mom. Did you miss each other? Obviously, Alex is like, did you, though? At the time I was happening, yeah. Yeah, I think I was thriving to. I don't know, at 10. No, we weren't, we weren't close.

So, like, missing each other wasn't the thing at that point. I miss him more now, to be honest with you. How is the experience going back to Bulgaria? We went back a lot over the years, like in the summers. At least I did. remember if you were always there with me, Alex, but I would go back every year, if not every other year just for the summer and hang out with my grandparents growing up. And then for that two-year period, I lived there fully for two full years. I really liked it at the time. It was really

fun and just immersing myself in this culture and learning Bulgarian better and getting to know the family better. It was really interesting. But I didn't miss Alex, but I missed home. I miss like being in Canada and my friends, and it was just a different experience. That's a hard age to go from, you know, to be 10 to leave your friends, you know, that's definitely a hard thing to be able to. And did you create a group of friends in Bulgaria? Yes, but it was kind of weird because I don't know how to say this without offending anybody, but the education in Europe is a little bit more advanced.

like they learned things earlier than we do in the States. So I think I was in grade. I don't, I can't, I'm really bad at math. I don't worry that phrase that. They didn't teach math in Bulgaria, but everything else, right. I obviously didn't pick up a lot of it. But whatever grade I was in in Canada, when I went to Bulgaria, they put me back. So I think I was in grade three here.

And then in Bulgaria, they put me into grade. one again. Wow. Because the things that the kids were learning in grade one is what I was learning in grade three here, which was not cool at all for me to be hanging out with like seven-year-olds when I was like 10. That's insane. Yeah. The talk about like that sort of like defeats the whole purpose. Like you at least have to be it. Yeah. And my ego was bruised. Like I felt like, you know, I felt less than like I felt like I felt like I didn't know like I wasn't as smart as everybody

there and I felt like they looked down on me because I didn't know as much as they did or there was something like it felt really weird. Of course. Eventually it was fine but at the beginning it was like it made me really insecure. Oh. Were your parents strict parents or

not or or or open free? It's a good question. I don't know. Are they? That feels like a yes guys. Well so maybe it's a little bit of both. I think my dad was really strict. mom was more on the fence, like she would bend a little more.

And then as we got older, like, I think the reason why our perception is skewed, Alex, is because now they're so chill, now that we're adults, like, we're their friends and we hang out with them. We have drinks with them. We do whatever. Like, it's not. But as kids, I remember them being very strict. And that caused us to rebel more. Like, I wanted to go out drinking with my friends and have my parents not find out because it had to hide it from them.

And I got away with it a lot of the time. But I feel like if they hadn't been as strict, I wouldn't have, it wouldn't have been a taboo thing. Right. Were you naughty, babe? I'm going to say yes. I think, yeah, for sure. I mean, because you're by nature.

We know each other. You know, you're adventurous. You like the thrilling types of things. You're a little more on the thrill-seeking side. So I would think as a little girl, as a younger girl growing up, that you probably would have been pretty. anxiety, like you would have given me as a mother a lot of anxiety. You would have given me as a sister anxiety.

I would have been like, Nana, no. You can't do that. Yeah, you nailed it on the head. I think I was pretty, but I also was really good at hiding it, or at least I thought I was good at hiding. You were medium good at hiding it. Alex, were you naughty? I got in the trouble.

Don't say naughty. I don't like the word naughty. It's sexual. Okay, fine. Were you rebellious? Yeah. But Nina got caught. I'd say Nina got caught more than I got caught.

So, like, she got suspended for vandalism. Oh, yeah. What did you do? What did you do? Do you remember? Yeah, I'd rather not get over the details of it. But, yeah, I remember. But she didn't even use spray paint.

They just took chalk to the wall. Oh, gosh. You could have just watered it off, but she got, she got suspended and she got grounded for six months. And her accomplice only got two weeks or something, like two weeks of grounding. So, like, it was for a chock vandalism? Six months? Yeah. Sounds extreme.

Well, they wrote, they just wrote, you know, what did you guys write that the principal is an idiot? Like I said, da, do, do, do, no, I don't want to get into it. It was so long ago. No one's going to remember. Whatever you said, it was offending, like, it was towards the principal or something. Yeah, we were upset with something that happened, I guess, and we took chalk to the schoolyard after hours. You were in protests.

You were in protest. At least it wasn't permanent. Right. It was a half-ass protest. We're Canadian, so we were really nice about it. Okay, picture this, okay, you have dinner, you're in a cozy blankie, and you're with her significant other. Oh, okay. I know where you're going with this, Oliver.

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He's about to go down, this being John Malkovich, little, like, rabbit hole, right? Yeah. You look like you could be a bookie, you know? You could be like. Oh, yeah. He's got the attitude as kind of a bookie. Right? He could be like...

We should maybe get into that. He's like working the back house in like an uncut gems type situation. Yes. I like that. I feel like... Or it could be as simple as, you know, you're a lawyer. Not a lawyer. He's coding.

Coding. No, I'm an engineer. So I work with a team of other engineers and we plan out and build big infrastructure projects. So right now we're working on a wastewater treatment plant that's in Toronto. We're bidding it and hopefully we're awarded so we can go build it. So what about the arts then? You know, it was your parents like, what the hell do you want? Why do you want to do this?

I mean, my mom's a painter and, you know, she restores. She understood it more than my dad did. He fully, he probably just like a week ago figured out what I was doing. I'm obviously kidding, but at the beginning, he wasn't very supportive. In fact, he would, when I started auditioning, I think I was like 14 years old, and I didn't really tell them at first that I was doing what I was doing. And once I started having to leave school to be able to do things, they made, they like imposed new rules for me because they didn't think this was a real profession

and that I could do this. So they started making me read books every week. And if I didn't finish the book or didn't finish the book report and submit it to my parents for the book that I'd read that week, then I couldn't go on auditions the following week. And then they told me that if I didn't go to college, I couldn't continue acting. So they were like very, they wanted education to be at the forefront

and wanted to make sure that I had a backup plan if it didn't work out because they genuinely didn't think it would work out. Weren't you in high school when you got, what's it called, Degrassi? Degrassi. How do you pronounce it? Degrassi, high with Drake. It's Degrassi, but Americans say Degrassi for some reason. I say Degrassi.

Degrassi. Drake was in Degrass. But explain what it is for those who don't know. Degrassi is a high school sort of soapy drama that is shot in Toronto. It was drama. It wasn't like saved by a bell. No, it wasn't. It was more like...

It was darker. 9-0-2-0. Yeah, and they really prided themselves in being the first to do a lot of things. Like, I think we were the first to say bitch. Right. Did you hear what happened? They were like the 90s euphoria.

Right. Yeah, totally. They're like, they're like Paul put a hole in my diaphragm, eh? He did what? I swear. He put a hole in my diaphragm. And like one of the characters on Degrassi did cocaine on camera way before it was cool or okay to do that on camera. Full euphoria vibes.

Yeah. And we like my character to give you context was a I was the single mom in school. Oh, okay. So you had a baby. I had a baby. And there's a funny story there because that was one of my first days of shooting ever. and so I had to shoot with a baby like an actual infant child

and I didn't even, like I was 14 like I didn't know what a mark was or like not to look into the camera lens it was really challenging for me so I always like I cringe when I look back at those episodes because I really have no idea what I'm doing and they actually had to recast like we shot a whole day

and then they had to completely scrap it because the babies hated me so much that they wouldn't stop crying. Like I couldn't get a line in without the, it was like screaming in my face. I wouldn't personalize that, Nina. It wasn't you.

It's just a baby. I know that now, but at the time it was very traumatizing. I was like, is this what's always going to be like? It's so scary. I'll never be a mom. I know, right?

And so they, and there was triplets. Like whenever one baby it would cry, they would bring in the next one and not one of them liked me at all. So then they scrapped the whole day

and then the next day we come to the set and they've recast my child and it's a full blow it's a four year old like it's like she has long hair

she's up to my waist like she's tall. So funny. We could do the baby and you're like 10? Correct, yeah. Well, who did Drake play? A 14 year old single mom

with a four year old kid it was like it didn't make any sense but she didn't cry so it worked out. Who and Drake play? played, Drake played Jimmy, I think, was the name of his character. And he was shot in the show and was in a wheelchair for half of his time on the show. I love this.

I want to go back and watch this. It's weirdly, it's weirdly compelling to me. What was that like in high school for you? What was it like, Alex, for you? Although I guess you were out. You were already in college, right? Because you would have been 19. Yeah.

But what was it like to see your sister? Because that show is really popular. It was, right? Mm-hmm. So. He probably used it to his advantage. Do you know my sister? Did you think I do this?

What I didn't? No, in university, actually, like, my friends would go up to girls and go, hey, you guys know so-and-so in the grassy? Like, that's his sister. Right. And, yeah, like, I try to stay away from it because a lot of, all the time. Like, that's the, it's more like little teeny boppers, like younger people that are into it. But then when Nina got into vampire diaries, then it started getting the older

crowd as well. And I still, I still don't want that to like be the reason why someone's talking to me. Right. So, but my friends. Oliver does. Yeah. Oliver. No. It was the opposite. I railed against two my parents where I couldn't stand. I just wanted, I was too, it's horrible. Okay, so how did that change your high school experience And then your parents' perception of you wanting to be an actress? Right, was your dad finally like, huh? She did it? Is that the Bulgarian act?

No, Bulgarian. I don't know Bulgarian. He sounded exactly like that. I'm having like flashbacks. Well, I do a lot of research before these podcasts. You can tell. You can really tell. Yeah, I mean, at the beginning, the first two years, like the show,

show hadn't come out. Like, we shot the episodes, but it hadn't aired yet for the first year. So it was just a normal high school experience, except I was just, I was away a lot. And then in my last year, in like senior year, I was almost never there at all. So I was a little weird when I showed back up to prom. Like I was gone. And then all of a sudden, I showed up. Everyone was like, oh, you still go here. Like, it was, it was a bit of a bummer because everyone had these inside jokes that I wasn't a part of. And it made me, little sad, but, um, but for the most part, most of the years until that last year, I got to just have a normal experience, which is really cool. And then my dad eventually, like once, once I got

vampire diaries and moved to the States and had to drop out of college, that's when, that's when he was like, okay, I see how this, like, this is a really, it's a popular show. You're actually making a living from this. You're succeeding. You're doing movies now too. Like, he started, he recognized that this was my path now and it wasn't going to be a um it was he like and i'm sure deep down i'm proud of you little nina it was proud of you my little nina is that what he sounded that's pretty good that sounds more like you're tapping into our hungarian roots but i don't know i'm really proud of yeah if i ever make a bio think about my life i'm gonna kiosi was my father oh i oh i would love that Geez. Father, you're really aging him up there, Nina.

That's all right. Hey, do you... Well, no, it'll be a... It'll be, you know, in flashbacks. A young 30-year-old common dobra. That's right. Yeah. That's right. So funny.

I'm already sweating for Oliver. I saw a picture of your dad. I think I could play him. You did? You'd have to grow your beard out. Yeah, I grow my beard. I just had a big beard. I just shaved it. You know, I think I was...

What I was going to say was that, you know, Your parents probably just based on, like, look, communist Bulgaria, having, you know, real refugees, having to kind of out of fear, leave and look for a better life for their family. I'm sure deep down, it's all just about stability. They just want you guys to be in stable jobs where you, you know, and there's nothing more unstable than the life of an artist. Totally. You know, so it's sort of like more fear-based, I guess. wanting you guys to have the best. Alex, what did you end up studying?

And where did you go to school for college? See, I didn't, because my parents, our parents were so busy working. I didn't really get much guidance in high school. So it was in the last year that I discovered that I need really high marks to get into university. And I only had mediocre marks. So I had to,

I couldn't get into university immediately. I went to Europe to kind of, spent time with my grandparents and I started taking some classes there to kind of upgrade my marks and then when I finally got good marks I came back to Canada and just finished university there but again in civil like in civil engineering so construction and all the math and a lot of the stuff that see like I kind of followed in my dad's kind of footsteps while my sister followed the artistic side my mom's footsteps do you are you artistic in any way I mean, do you have, do you have it in you?

I do, but it's not, it doesn't, you kind of have to force it. You were talking about mushrooms earlier. If I ever dabble in mushrooms, then I start coming a little more artistic. You mean not, you mean when you, when you dabble? When, you mean, if you ever tried to dabble. Yeah. Yeah, well, I think most of the world probably feels that way. Most of the world needs a little mushroom.

I agree. I agree. How old are you, Alice? 37. So married, no. No. Girlfriend? Serious girlfriend and there's a kid on the way.

Oh, good for you. So like you guys. That's awesome. I wasn't sure if he was going to say anything. That's so exciting. Congrats, man. Talk about a life moment. It's going to be great.

Your life is over, but it's going to be fun. It's just beginning. Could you imagine your life without your kids? No, no, I couldn't, but I remember my life without my kids. I don't think I ever had an adult life. What's the future look like? It looks pretty sweet. It looks pretty buffed.

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slash sibling. Let's talk about travel for a second because Nina, I know you love to explore. Alex, are you similar? Yeah. We. after high school or after like once we got to an adult age, I think we mostly connected just through travel, adventures, extreme sports. Does that come from your parents? It's a very Bulgarian trait, just so you know. Yeah, Oliver knows because he's part Bulgarian. No, you know, we, yeah, when we were,

we didn't have a lot of money to travel when we were younger, but we did a lot of road trips in the car. Like, it was a priority to try to do. whatever we could growing up. So I think that once we became adults and we had the means to do it more, both Alex and I made it a priority. And I remember the first trip when we really, really bonded the most was when I called up, I called him and told him to check his email because I had booked him a flight to meet

me in Hawaii because my parents, towards the end, they were like, they basically were like, look, we love you guys and what's best for you. So please just promise us. Like, you could do anything you want, just promise us that you're not going to do anything stupid, like, do heroin or, you know, jump out of a plane or, you know, like that kind of stuff that's going to endanger you. So as soon as I could, I booked him a flight to Hawaii and we went skydiving. Did you just skydive the one time? I, together, yeah, one time. Nina's done it.

Haven't you done it multiple times? Yeah, I've done it like four or five times. I love it. I'm obsessed. I did it once. Yeah. But it was the one thing that. They told us not to do.

One of the things they told us not to do. And we took a video, and that year I didn't go to Christmas. Like, I was having a yes year of traveling and trying to, you know, find myself. And so instead of going to Christmas, I just set them the tape and I, like, wrapped it up like a gift. Because I knew they were going to fucking kill me. That's great. We did the one thing they said not to do. That's so funny.

Yeah. But on that trip, on that trip, Nina was kind of, she had just finished. another trip where she was kind of on a like like she said earlier just yes to everything so when we were in hawaii she would get day drunk and she had gotten injured previously so she could only get around on crutches do you remember you bust it up your ankle how how many years ago was this 2013 yeah i feel like i remember this time yeah yeah and in hawai a lot of people do i don't remember a lot of it but a lot of other people... I remember this time

because you were, like, gone all the time and you were always somewhere with, you know... Julianne. Julianne and Rihanna there, too. Some of the you guys there was, like, one point... And then you got... You hurt yourself. I was trying to scare everybody.

I was, like, hiding behind a bush on this, like, on a second story. And I tried to scare everybody, but I had been drinking, so I didn't, you know, the distance between the ground. and where I was, you know, I underestimated how high it was. So I jumped out and scared them, but then landed at all the weight, kind of crushed my ankle. But I still had like two months of traveling ahead of me.

I didn't cancel any of it. I just got crutches and kept going. I remember this. That's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. Things you can do in your 20s that you can't really do anymore, nor do I want to anymore. Guys, she was only hurt.

collective amount of time, meaning when she got enough liquor in her, she'd go on the beach and do cartwheels and show off to people and go, like, jump on jet skis. And then even when we went skydiving, she rolled in on crutches. And then when we're putting on everything, she just threw the crutches away. She's like, I'm good. Let's do this. So when it benefits her, she's injured, is what you're saying.

Yeah. And made getting through TSA a lot easier when I have the crutches. Very smart. So now, like, do you guys make a point to actually stay connected through travel? We do. We have to travel to see each other because he lives in Canada and I'm here in the States. But do you make a point to do it? Yeah.

I mean, we do. But at the same time, it's definitely a different kind of travel. It's not what we just described. You know, it's a lot more calm. We were in Colorado for Christmas and we had a really great time there. But it's just a more grounded. connection and experience now when we see each other. Okay, so what do we have to look forward to now?

Like, what is, you know, I mean, Alex, obviously, baby's coming, that that's huge. And then Nina, you're going to be an auntie, which is incredible. I'm so excited. But Nina, what about you? What are you looking forward to right now? Well, I'm excited about being an auntie, like you said. I'm an auntie to so many of my friends' kids,

but now I get to be an actual ante and I just gained a sister-in-law almost at some point in the next year I'll have an official sister-in-law. So that's really exciting. But on a professional level, I've started producing a lot more, which is really exciting.

And I have a couple of things that are in the pipeline for this year that I can't wait to get off the ground. But aside from that, like, you know, COVID's been, COVID's been good and bad for so many people and for so many reasons. And it's made us realize a lot of things and it's forced me to slow down in a great way in so many ways. But I am starting to get that itch of wanting to travel again. Yeah, so I'm like, ready to go. I'm just like, get me out of here.

Get me back to the way my life used to be. This was great. And now I just want to, like, do things. Yeah. Should we do our speed down? Yeah, go. Okay. One word to describe each other.

Nina is tenacious. Ooh. Big word. She doesn't give up. Alex is so many words. Alex is loyal. Okay. And then one word to describe each other at like 14.15.

They didn't even know each other then, basically. Alex is mean. Wow, just Braddy Yeah Jeez Yeah, I like it I deserve that

I deserve it Probably the same thing Or It wasn't braddy No You were just I would say Oliver was

jealous Not at that age Maybe now Yeah, we've never done this that No I know I'd say... Goofy.

You were goofy. Yeah. Like everything about you was just goofy. And you were like a little like... You had that like lanky, goofy, weird. Gumbia is my nickname. You were needy. I didn't know we could do...

I didn't know we could do physical attributes. It was so needy. Who was the most rebellious? I think I was. Alex, do you agree with this? I'd agree that she got caught being rebellious, but I don't know if she was more rebellious. Who would make it further on Survivor?

That's a good question. Alex. This is a good question. Are you sporty, Alex? Oh, yeah. We're actually like pretty equal in terms of sports. We've done tough mutters and Spartan races. And Nina can hang.

Nina can get out there. It's her mental game. I can usually talk her out of if we do like a plank challenge I'll just talk her down and she'll just drop after like a minute or two yeah but she can definitely hang

first job Nina it's kind of the same sort of but he cheated so I didn't get paid for it Alex's first job was a paper route and when you do paper routes they deliver like each section in separate piles so you have to assemble each each paper before delivering it and so he got the job to do that but he made me assemble all the papers for the

night when they would arrive and then he would go out and deliver them in the mornings would you get a cut no cut you wouldn't get any you wouldn't get any cut no no I thought it was a fun game and a fun activity that we got to do together it sounds like all everyone was getting paid that's good yeah Alex was using your need for acceptance to get his shit done. Smart. Who is the tattletail? Who is more of a daredevil? These days, actually, like, she'll jump off cliffs that I hesitate.

I mean, into like a body of water. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, obviously. She's done some high ones where I'm like, ugh, I don't know if I trust Yeah. But honestly, these days I am slowing down a little bit, especially because it's like the company that I keep now. Like I'm not trying to keep up with. Oh, right. Right. So. He goes so extreme that I'm like, yeah, you know what? Like in every relationship there has to be the one crazy one in that way. And right. Oh, nice. You've met your match. You've met your match. You found the crazier ones. So now you can just be chill. Yeah. You're like, I think I'm just going to go. Grab a beer and let you do... Yeah, whatever the hell it is.

Whatever you're going to go do on this mouth. Who's your guy's first celebrity crush? It's the same. It hasn't changed for me. Brad Pitt? Yes. How did you know? Well, because he's so hot. He is. I mean, he's more hot now than I think he even was.

I mean, the guy looks so good. I like him as an older man. Like, I'm feeling him as an older dude. you know he's aging gracefully he is river runs through it though you know i mean you know he he's a smoke show if i was uh what am i i'm binary right no you're cis i think i'm buying am i bionary no sis you're cis non binary if i was non bionary you don't know what you're talking about right so that i could be non binary means you don't identify with a a gender, a specific gender.

Okay. You are they. Got it. You're a they. So would I have to be by to be with Brad Pitt? No, bisexual is a sexual preference of both male and female. So what if I just wanted to be only with Brad Pitt and nobody else? Then you're gay.

No, no, I mean women, but like just Brad Pitt is the man part. Oh, well, then you're bisexual with Brad Pitt. Okay. So maybe that should be another category. a whole category. A whole other category is just your straight, but only bisexual with Brad Pitt. What is it? BSWBP.

Wait, that's the greatest. Can you guys promise me that when you promote this episode that that's the clip that you use on Instagram, have you to explain that? Oh, my God. Alex, what about you? You got that first celebrity crush. Did you guys watch A Beautiful Mind?

Oh, yeah. How gorgeous was Jennifer Conley? Jennifer Conley, yeah. Oh, gosh. Look at your face. It's so creepy when you said that. I'm like, Alex. He's feeling her right now as we speak.

Alex, it's feeling it. Calm down. No, but Alex, have you seen Opportunity Knox? No. Okay. Jennifer Conley's beautiful. Jennifer Conley is insanely beautiful. Yeah, I know, but do yourself.

favor, go watch Opportunity Knox. Because it's well before Beautiful Mind. She's beautiful, and then she was great. She's a great actress. Opportunity Knox, just hit me up once you watch that. Okay, okay. She's just very sexy in it. She holds up, though.

She looks beautiful and is aging really gracefully as well. Okay, guys, next one. Who's wittier? I think, Nina. We're definitely goofier. I'll take that for sure. Okay, you're robbing a bank. Who's actually robbing the bank?

Who's in the getaway? car driving the car i'm in the bank how you're not mean enough well but i'm an actor like i can pretend to do whatever like i can i can i can i can commit to the role of being bad guy right take it i'll be in the car just hanging out yeah yeah who is the favorite child i think me he's the firstborn firstborn son for sure yeah he carries on the family name she always got caught doing bad things Oh, yeah. You know.

Yeah. Favorite mantra or life lesson? Don't jump off the second story to scare your friends. Yeah, that's a really good mantra. That is a very good advice for anybody out there. Alex? I'll try anything twice. Oh, interesting.

Is there no butts or unless? Whoa. No, no, anything twice. Who can drink more? Oh, interesting question. What point of our lives are we asking now? I'm just saying let's just go general. Like who could drink and wake up in like...

If you're going shot for shot right now, like... I only ask this because, Dina, you seem... Who's got a better constitution for, you know, having a good fun night out? Like, I have a better one than Oliver. I get, well, I go nuts, but I just get hung over. Nina goes hard, but she's more disciplined. Like, she'll know when to stop. Yeah.

I don't take it overboard, but I did. She's definitely more disciplined. Oliver at like Riders 18th was like so wasted. He was like wandering around my front yard. Well, no, because I didn't have a ride home. I walked home. I wanted to go home. At one point.

Our parents were still. I think maybe it was Danny was like Oliver is just like walking in the front yard. I was waiting. Mom and pop. It was just our family. Yeah, but they were still partying. They were, it was like midnight. I wanted to go home.

And I walked home. It took me 40 minutes, like walking in the rain. Yeah, I went out in the garage to see if I could find a bike, but all your tires were flat on your bikes. So I just walked home. Oh, that's what you were doing. You went to go find a bike. Oh, that's so funny.

Have you ever heard of this app called Uber? No, I forgot about Uber. But we're also, like, so close to each other's like to get an Uber to go to moms. She's literally like 10 blocks from my house. Yeah. But it still took a half hour. I was going to say, why didn't take you 40 minutes then? Well, I mean, it was, it's a two-mile, you know, it's three-mile?

I don't know. I love it. It was kind of nice, actually. Oh, my God. But I don't get sloppy in any way. I mean, you would never even know I was intoxicated. Right, okay. Okay.

All right. Allie, do you want to ask? No, because I always forget it now. Okay. So it's a two-part question. Nina, you go first about your brother. So the two parts are, what is it about your brother? that you would want to

relieve from him that you think, like something you could alleviate that you think would kind of help him in his life or make kind of the quality of his life easier, better,

more liberating. Okay. And then the other part of the question is what is something that you would love to emulate something, a quality that he has that you wish you had more of?

Okay, so the first one's easy. I would like to alleviate him of me. That would be, that would probably make his life infinitely better. No, I'm kidding. You know, Alex has, and I hope this is okay to say, don't get bad at me, but like, I think because you care so much sometimes about certain things, if that's being challenged, the thing that you care about is being challenged, you like shut down a little bit and you get very defensive and they're. like you can't hear what's happening. And it takes you a second to cool off.

And I wish that he had, no, I'm being honest, I'm sorry. I wish that he was able to like breathe through a moment to get to the next moment to realize, like to have a little bit more perspective and at times. And it hasn't happened to us in a really long time. So this isn't, I don't know if it even, it still is a thing. but like breathing through moments to yeah to like to give perspective because you know we all get like that we all get so like hot when something there's a challenging moment like I do it too so I'm I'm definitely projecting my own stuff as well like there's not a human on the earth that

doesn't do this but in the moment you get so hot and you can't think of anything you can't you have no perspective and and I wish I could alleviate him of the same thing that I wish I could alleviate from myself, which is to take a deep breath and have perspective in a situation that I always have about 20 minutes later, you know? Yeah, there's a lot of power and witnessing moments rather than reacting to them.

And I think as we get older, we get better at it. Like, I think he's gotten... That's why I said, I don't know if he still does it anymore because I haven't seen it in so long. This is like a 10 years ago observation. But so maybe it's not even a thing anymore. I don't know. And what about emulate?

I would love to emulate. There's like a youthfulness about Alex and a charisma and an energy that he has that I've literally never brought him anywhere with me where everyone didn't love him. Like right now, like your observation about how he has like the headset on, he's in an office, it looks kind of serious, but he's not like that in real life. and in fact he's more like chill and relax

and so it does and I always tell people whenever I'm like hey can my brother come or like hey my brother's coming I'll be like just so you know like I know you haven't met him but he's hands down the better dobra of like everyone

there's no argument like he's the cooler more accepted like people love him so I wish I could emulate that that like innate inner confidence that he has yeah that's how all he feels about me

I think the opposite I was relating so much to how she was talking about her brother I'm like you know I'm like this is me this is the key feels about me I'm like this you know

she's got all she's got the money and the fame and all the stuff and I'm just like a great guy you know I mean people just want me around it's okay it's true that's all right

and I can dance oh I can dance um okay Hey, Alex. What I want to emulate, I'll go first on that one. Nina's got a really, like, she's got this innate way to just open up a set. She can open up a conversation or a crowd with this just authentic way that I kind of, sometimes I watch from the distance.

I'm like, that's impressive. Like she cold opened three people or six people in one time. and I've seen it, I've seen her do it in Monaco, in London, England, in all over the States, in Montreal, like, she dials it in and just knocks out of the park. So I'm, I'm always impressed and I like watching her do that. And then to alleviate, I thought about this a little bit, because I did some research on your guys as a podcast before. You guys always ask these questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. And that one, I think it's, I want to alleviate her from some of the disgenuine conversations or people that she has to work with in her line of work. I find that, and I've just been a witness to it where there's a lot of just happy people that don't usually tell her the truth about something. And, but that's not always the case. But once in a while, I kind of cringe, I'm like, ugh, I'm pretty sure that person's, like,

not telling her the truth right now. She, they're just being, they just want to, like, tell her good, like, good news. But are you saying that you, do you not think Nina is aware that they might be bullshitting her? I'm not saying they're bullshitting her. They just, they could have given her more. Forward information.

Yeah, like, she's better feedback. Okay, got it. Because I've overheard conversations and the person is just, they're being a little wishy-washy. They're just telling her, like, California positivity. I'm like, you could have been a better helper there. Right, right.

It's like you want, like, I like that, yeah. We all need to be a little bit more up front, honestly, except for me. Except for me. Great guy, Oliver. I love that, Alex. I mean, I pride myself and I try to not be around, yes, people as much as I can,

and every now and then, like, somebody will sneak in and you, I feel like I'm really good at that, but I'm sure I'm not perfect at it. And I would like to challenge you in the future to let me know when you see that that's happening. Please do it. Good. I like this.

I like this too. We've accomplished something here today. We just brought them closer, I think. We did. That's the goal. All right. Well, thank you for your time, you guys. Good luck with the baby, man.

Nina, big kisses. Appreciate it. Congratulations, brother. Thank you guys. This is really fun. Oh, wait, can I show you guys one thing before we go, just to give you. just to show you, you know, like a nugget of,

it was my birthday yesterday. Oh, happy birthday. Thank you. This is, you know, real-time example of what my brother and I are like. This is what my brother sent me for my birthday. He sent me these beautiful flowers with a note that says, elegant birthday flowers for a slightly less elegant birthday girl.

And then he got me beef jerky with this on it. Thank you for giving us, Omicron. Thanks for giving us, Omicron. That's fucking funny. So that's the kind of relationship we have. All right, guys. Thank you. All right, thank you.

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