Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Rahm For President?

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

As the former Mayor of Chicago and President Obama’s Chief of Staff, Rahm Emmanuel knows how to run and win. But does he have his sights set on returning to the White House? He shares his plans with Kate and Oliver regarding a possible run for president in 2028.  Plus, Rahm reveals how he almost ended up on a radically different professional path and what strict house rules he and Kate have in common. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory.

That's good. Ollie, we're doing our intro right now. I'm very excited to talk to Rom. Yeah. Do you know him, by the way? I, you know, I've met him. Yeah, I don't know him. I know his bro.

I know Ari. Yeah. You know, because Ari was, and Patrick was my agent for a while for a long time. So I know Ari pretty well and he's besties with my bestie, all that stuff, you know. Mm-hmm. But, but, but I don't, I don't know Rom as very well, but what I do when I hear his name is I hear Deepak Chopra doing the, the chakra meditation with me. When you do, he does a shock and he goes, rom. And rom, I believe, I think is the one of the, maybe the, um, root chakra.

Is it? I don't know. Hey, Siri. Yeah, let's look this up. Which chakra sound is rom? What does it mean? Okay. Okay.

Associate with the element of sound. No. Okay. Okay, well, okay. Okay, meanwhile, speak, okay, so, uh, chakra sound, rom. I didn't get into the chakras, but I've got some interesting information. So I DM this, uh, the guy who did, you know, NIMS die. He did the, uh, seven peaks that saw documentary where he like did all the, yeah, I know, I know you're talking to get me to climb Everest.

Oh, Jesus, forget about it. Let's move on. And I told him, I was like, it'll. I was like it'll never happen But I love he's my DM buddy That's awesome He's like hey He's like hey do you want to climb Everest

Like if you dream we can do it We can make this possible I'm like absolutely not But we have a really funny DM relationship And he's he's a really nice guy Yeah he's cool It's crazy cool But maybe I could do another peak

Like you know something less crazy Yeah You know maybe I'm like Everest Can you imagine me on it Everest? No, no. I'd make it to like the

literally the first base camp. I'd be like, this is great. Right. Yeah, even the, even getting to the first camp is gnarly. Oh, it's so funny. I love it. Okay.

So Rahm Emanuel, very excited to talk to him. Going over his sort of bio, we're pretty connected. I'm going to talk to him about fly fishing. He's a big worker outer, which I am too now. Oh, my God.

Yeah, I pump. You're a pump. And he's an extremely interesting guy. I watch him on the news all the time. We're not going to get deep into politics, but it's hard not to scratch the surface anyway, especially given the landscape of what we are doing. Politics?

Yeah, you know what I mean. I don't know. I don't know. What landscape you're talking about. It's the landscape in my mind. Oh, politics. Rom is the solar plexus shock. I'm really, yes.

Let's see if he knows this. I want to, yeah. But I am excited to talk to him. Let's bring him in. Let's talk about his chakras. Okay. Hey. Me.

Rum. Oh, it's nice to see you. Nice to see you guys. Yeah. Thanks for coming on, yeah. Have you and Kate met through your brother? No. I don't think so.

No. I was thinking maybe it's something maybe, but I don't think so. I know so. I would, no. We have not. Well, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you guys. I have a long history with your brother.

Nobody punished with two Emanuels, let alone three. I can't imagine. I'd actually like to be a fly on the wall when you guys all get together. You'll never forget a word in edgewise. I imagine. Is it like that? Yeah. Well, I bet that's the same thing for your family.

Oh, yeah. I wonder who talks the most. In our family? Or in the moms or the Emanuals? And our family. I can tell you who talks the most in our, so. Definitely, Ari. No, no, no.

Ziki talks about things he knows nothing about. Okay. That's a lot. That's a wise stuff. Yeah. Are you three brothers and no, that's it? It's just three boys? Well, no.

The short answer is three brothers. Okay. Twelve, thirteen, fourteen years later, mom and dad adopt a young. Earl. She's a week old, has physical, a lot of issues. And so it's kind of, it's like, so we protect her. Mm-hmm. So growing up, though, you guys were really super like a tight, and how many years apart are you guys?

Ari and I are 16 months to the day. Wow. Okay. November 29th, March 29. Zeke is older than me by 21 months. So basically, mom. just she went for it she like spit you guys all out go to dad hey two takes yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly dad had dad had a really good a few years did you guys fight all the time well not all

the time zeke gets his own bedroom because he's the eldest boy yeah are you and i shared a room together growing up right now when we were very young there's an infamous story of this Zeeke and I have a bunk bed This is when we're living in the city Ari has a is the crib Next to the bunk bed Zeke and I used to jump from the top bunk Into the crib to see how high the baby would bounce

That's what I imagine Three boys so close in age would be doing Yeah and You know It does explain why Ari started walking at eight months It kind of explained to everything Yeah that's a very good point I see you guys grew up in the city

I grew up in the city I am in third or fourth grade is when we move to Wilmet so up until fourth third or fourth grade I can't remember exactly we move we're in the city on Winona and Broadway which is Edgewater Community of Chicago and then we move up to Wilmet so you grew up in the cold

don't force me to make fun of you because you're so California yeah I guess so California. Hey, hey, I grew up in the Rockies too. We had some Colorado in us. I read a little about that. Before we go anywhere, I do want to talk about Oliver's dancer is 12-year-old. Oh, yeah. Because I did ballet. I want to talk about ballet. I wanted to talk about ballet. I also wanted to talk about fly fishing because I've been fly fishing since I was six years old. Like, you know, fishing is my passion. It's not just fly. I have a boat in L.A. I go catch big bluefin all the time. Like I am a big fisherman, period. I have been fly fishing. And I know this does not look like fly fishing. 25 years, nothing like standing in the water and waiting. Up in Montana, we have Amy as my place. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, Kimmel, Jimmy's a huge fly fisherman as well. Yeah, well, Jimmy Kimmel, yeah, there's a couple people. Yeah. David Letterman has a place about 45 minutes from where I live. Oh, wow. Yeah. Does Letterman like to fly fish?

I'd love to see a fly fish. I'd love to see a fly fish. I fly fish with my brother. But I'm like one of those people that likes to float. Yeah, she likes to float trips. I like to float and drink. I want to I want to fly fish on the floater thing on the, on the, you want to be on the water. I want the water rushing at you. Yeah. I have a dream to go to Iceland. I want to go to Iceland and flyfish. That's a something that trip I really want to do. Okay, I'm coming with you. Well, I know I'm not invited, but I'm coming. I have a friend, Peter, a Freelander, who loves to fly fish, loves fishing. I'm trying, I've been trying to get Ollie and him to get. And he goes to Iceland every year. And I'm like, I want to go on that trip. I want to go on that trip and do that.

Yeah, it's good salmon there, but also Patagonia. I've never done. And I want to do that. Yeah, how incredible is it? I've actually three times if you come to the chili, sort of Patagonia. Okay. You have the great trip? Yeah.

I'll send you the video afterwards. Yeah. New Zealand, you helicopter into a gorge. Yeah. And they come pick you up six o'clock at night after you're there, dropped off by yourself and not or with a guide. Oh, my God. That's incredible.

Oh, my gosh. Well, that's the beauty of fly fishing, you know, is it's just so much more than fishing. You know, there is a spiritual, cathartic component to it all. When did fishing be cut? Because I know for Oliver, it started, like, really young. It started at Troutdale. We like went to Troutdale and all he sat in like a little pond, fake pond. I'm being obsessed with fishing all my life.

So we, Amy and I make a decision we want to take the kids to travel the world. And a friend of ours has a single child. Unfortunately, it just passed away. And so our first trip is to Argentina. And then we go to Argentina. We go to Tanzania. We go to Uganda. We go to India.

We have a Laos. We go to camp back all over the place. But it started. doesn't everybody start their fly fishing in Argentina and our you know and so that's how it started

and I have found it really incredibly important to my mental health although my wife thinks I put sport back into fly fishing and I have a funny story with Obama once and I

you know but where he was disturbing it and does he he doesn't he doesn't he was getting in the middle of your mental health he's like he just keeps calling you I said I said we do it was not it was a particular thing and I just said you're in the middle of my fly fishing and if you don't hang up now I'm doing I'm doing this on the eighth hole and I don't give a crap about golf that's right let's get back to childhood I'm curious you know you guys growing up what kind of household was it you know what were your

parents like, was it, did you have the freedom? Was it, were they strict? What did they do? My dad was a pediatrician. And my mother, pre-kids, was a, what would be called a radiologist nurse today, but she's a nurse. And then she was very active, quits nursing and is very active in core, Congress on Racial Quality from the late 50s, early 60s, integrating Chicago housing in Chicago beaches. Now, I give my mother credit, it was her idea. The kitchen slash dinner table was round, so there was nobody at the head of the table. And you had to come to the dinner prepared to defend or to argue. We talked about current events. We talked about politics, etc. We also grew up the first eight years, my father's mother lives with us. My mother's

parents, my grandparents, maternal, spent two years living with us, just separate times. So there was never kind of a nuclear family. We had a foster brother for two years. So it was never a nuclear family in the sense of the five

of us. And we were encouraged to kind of go at it about current events and have a real discussion and stuff like that. And we were very, we were there was a piece of it. You know, a lot of times mom was gone, because she was arrested, trying to do the work she was doing on civil rights.

And my father, you know, just comes to America from Israel, doesn't everybody, when they're building a practice, A, quit the American Medical Association over national health care in 1962 and tries to practice. And then Sue turns around and sues the city of Chicago for lead-in household pain. Wow. When you're trying to practice medicine in Richard J. Daly, Chicago, not a good business model

to suit. But that was just his conviction. He didn't give a shit. Yeah. And that's how they raised it. And that's how kind of everybody's still, regardless of professional, very focused on the news, current events. Were you guys

resistant, you know, of that? Was it like, no, this is what we're going to do. And I don't give a shit if you like it or hate it. We're going to sit down at the table and we're going to talk about this and we're going to debate and this. My parents were very strict about that the family had dinner. In the same way that, you know, that famous Mark Twain quote at 12, I knew my father was

a fool. Yeah. By 18, I was shocked what he learned in only six years. I said I would never do these things and ended up repeating doing, you know, even when I was mayor and chief of staff or whatever, we had meals four nights a week. You did. Oh, yeah. Friday.

Were your kids resistant to it or was it just part of the fabric of the manuals? You grow up with it every Friday? I find that the dinner table is. is the most important place for kids. I try to do it. My thing is at least three days a week. The kids have to put the phones down. Get a basket.

We got a house. I bought this like little house and they put the phones in the house. No, I mean, you know, we do that. And I think that I don't, I don't buy quality time and I don't buy quantity. I buy presents, being present in your child's life. Yeah, yeah. And it's more important. So like, let's say one of them were having a test or whatever.

I would do my reading laying on their bed and just be there because then they could say something to you and you could be involved. And it's not a pressure. We have a little cottage on the water in Michigan. And we used to go looking for beach glass. And I would take them and one of them or whatever and just or all of us would go. And I just think being present that way is really, really, I'm reading right now. I used to have this summer reading list. Everybody had to read three books.

And then you had a leaded family discussion at the end of the summer on your favorite book. I know I finished 1861 with my son, Zachariah. Alana and I just read 1944. And Lay and I are reading now. She just asked me to read a book on October 7th events. Amazing. Wow. I feel terrible about myself

I was wondering how you feel I'm reading I'm reading a lot there's just not a lot of numbers in the books that I'm reading I want to be right here because I love them two of them are in the armboard of it but between zero and 18

there were like four manslaughter opportunities that I almost took advantage this makes me feel a little bit better because I've got 18, 15 and 12 two boys and my little girl now they're all amazing my 18 year old is a teenager who's just like you know, he's like, and I'm like, who were you, dude?

I mean, all he wanted to do was cuddle with me. He said, can you cuddle? Can you cuddle? Can you cuddle? I was going to get a tattooed on me. He said it that much. And then all of a sudden, boom, he's fucking gone. Ali, I'm serious about this.

Yeah. Yeah. One is I used to say to Zach, I said, you know, I said one time at a family, I said, I swear to to God, you're going to be 15, I'm going to be 54. One of us is going to make it. One is not, when I tell the judge why, I'm getting off. yeah right but they come back now the other thing is this is just my ambition underappreciated is when a uh my two daughters turned not you have to be always involved but specifically around 12

a father's role in your daughter's life is more important than the mother's role yeah huge yeah huge it's i don't really fully it's part of why i've been in therapy for It's going good. It's going good. A decade ago, I was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive serial killers. But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him?

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That's bullshit. It became true. I mean, not that I don't discipline her at all, but she, like, has me. And I'm just so obsessed with her. And getting to the dancing thing, she is just beautiful and graceful. And she's dancing six days a week and it's intensive and she's competing now. And I'm so excited for her. Yeah.

I mean, look, I think the father-daughter thing is an immense, is an underappreciated, under-researched, under-discuss, it is the most important thing for how they become a confident self-woman as they get older. And I look at my, you know, two daughters, and I think I took each of them a little after their bat mitzvahs on, Alani and I did a bike trip through Europe together, and Israel, and Laya and I did a trip in Israel. And those trips were just really, really important to us as a parent and a child. Oh, yeah. Unique. Rob, I love hearing about your, you as a father. Yeah. One other thing I would say, when I was, and I'm somebody just reminding us today who worked for me when I was mayor.

Even in the worst moments, I would obviously leave the phone out of the office. If they called, I told my assistant, you bring me the phone. phone, you cannot tell them I'm too busy. Only I can do it. Yes. They cannot be thought of as second tier. Yeah. It's so smart.

That's about, and again, Amy and I, when I ran for office, you can't find our kids in my commercials. I never put them in there. Yeah. They'll know they're getting used. Yeah. Right. Right. They're much smarter and more in tune

than I think we get credit for. How old are your kids now? Now that they're, how old are they now? Zach is 28, and he's a Navy Intel officer, went to UCLA. Lana is 26 Navy Reservists, and she's at graduate school, University of Chicago business law. Leah went to, is 25, went to Princeton, is one of the leaders on national security and climate change. And advice is the Pentagon. God. Wow.

This is so high functioning. I know. Look at us. We're a disaster. Yeah. Wilder's great. Eating glue. He's amazing.

I'm like, my son is... I'm telling you. There's getting from zero to eight things. I'm telling you. There were four-accepted manslaughter. Oh, God, that's so funny. Yeah. Riders calling me from his, like, you know,

acting class where he's, like, playing a snake. Right. Have you read a book, honey? What? I don't know what you're talking about. were you guys strict parents though as far as education goes and you know yes you are yes very strict yeah but strict in the sense of supportive and everything but so we had this thing on our sabbath dinners which is whoever got let's say an a in science or

whatever you got what was called a star plate because it's just a blue plate everything else was white with stars around it and you were allowed to invite any friend and their family to celebrate Shabbat with us if you did something academically or otherwise extraordinary or whatever you got an A or whatever if you struggled on a paper but you got a smiley face yeah but but I was very but Amy and she would agree with it she was a little more understanding than yeah yeah yeah yeah we had a red letter play remember we had the we had the plate growing up yeah it's it's if we put five we did five steps in front of each one another we for us it was more like if we if we if we like if we like

won the cif championship like yeah it's like i got a blue ribbon and and jumping you know a decade ago i was on the trail of one of the country's most elusive series But it wasn't until 2023 when he was finally caught. The answers were there, hidden in plain sight. So why did it take so long to catch him? I'm Josh Zeman, and this is Monster, hunting the Long Island serial killer, the investigation into the most notorious killer in New York, since the son of Sam, available now.

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I was literally, I was like, this doesn't track for me at all. When he found out Trey's shortcomings. I'm kind of excited at talking about, you know, I think he's a guy spends time in Central Park. you know, he's probably, you know, he'll be some surgery stuff, you know. And I was like, all this kind of stuff going on. And they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fine. And they said, but he's impotent. And I was like, he's impotent.

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No. No, we were, but that being said, you know, Because my parents didn't have a nine to five. Yes. Our life was a little, it was, it was different. Like, when my parents were home, they were home. So we were, when they weren't home, it wasn't like, it was, when they were making movies, they can't, the, the weird thing about filming is that you get picked up at five in the morning

and you're not home until dinner's done, you know? So you kind of have these three months stretches where you're visiting your parents on set. And then when they're off, there's six months and they're home. And you ask them when they're leaving. Can you get out of here? Yeah. Then it's like, can't you get a day job?

Can you like not be here so we can like sneak our friends in the house? So, but we had like, we had moments. There was a moment there where my mom would do these big Sunday. We'd watch a movie. People would come over. We'd have meals. We were very social house. But it was never a sit down really.

A sit down meal while we're all talking and. you know and i think that at least in my house again you inherited that from your parents and i inherited that from mine we do not do sit down meals it's all on the run it's on the go the kids are fucking everywhere i love to cook so i do i will cook but they come down and grab it and eat they grab by blah blah and i'm just like all right cool whatever you know i mean it's why all these kids stopped coming to my house because i'm like everybody's gonna sit down you're take your shoes off we're going to sit down we're going to have a meal put your phones away and they're like I'm never coming back here.

No, it was the shoes off thing that really had. They come back. They're like, dad, anti-Kate may just take our shoes off. That's because Kate's, you know, I'm sorry. They're like, we're never going back there. That is a recent thing because of Kate in Japan. Okay, uh-uh. Don't put this crap on me.

You're right. I know I'm right. You're right. I got with, I married a Japanese, I was sort of married to a Japanese man and the shoes go off. How much of humor play a part? in your family, were you guys able to, were you funny, were you crazy, you know, because you're obviously a funny dude. Humor, humor, humor.

I thought you said, meaning Chuck Schumer, I said, he was never at the house. Where was Schumer? Where was Schumer when you were a young boy? No. No. No, she was in age, humor, you know, because you guys are funny dudes. You're, you're witty. You know, humor was very, very.

Very important. And, you know, Mike, do you remember the zero, the zero, not zero must tell. Mel Brooks, 2,000 year old man in 2000, we used to play, my dad used to play it every Sunday night for us. I thought it was the funniest thing he ever heard. Yeah. The 2000 year old man, 2013 year old man. Yeah. Very important.

I have a friend who's making a documentary on Mel Brooks and I cannot wait. I'm with you. He is my, he's like one of my heroes. right i mean when you think about the work that he's done and how he's made people laugh and oh like the best all time you know watching your parents do what they did you know um obviously had a massive impact on what you guys wanted to be a part of you know how much was that sort of nature or how much was it nurture if they were steelworkers would you be a steel worker you know no Well, prior to politics and prior to dance, I mean, after dance, I was going to be a early childhood educator, early childhood psychologist. That's what I studied and I was interested. Now, I used to be 100% believing in nurture. Having had my three kids, I'm of the view that nature is a dominant force. Certain traits become more dominant than their character and other traits that they have.

proceed to the background. Yeah. That's kind of my cheap, Piaget child psychology. I agree. I agree. Yeah, because as you get older, you kind of start to realize patterning,

and you're like, wait, there's certain parts of your authentic self that feel like they're not present anymore, but they're in there, and they kind of claw you a little bit. And you're like, wait a minute, why I need to access that? And why can't I?

when you think about your ancestry, your DNA, and what goes into that, like, if you look like Oliver just ours, like from, you know, our great-grandparents leaving hungry and them being the only survivors from our, and then on our father's side, like the Sicilian mafia, you think about, like, all of the things that go into that. And then when you have to carry some of it. It's It's in, it's just in your DNA. We carry, I believe we carry that, you know, that those strands, that, that, the memory. Right. I mean, look, my mother was involved in, obviously, civil rights movement, which is a big

motivative of my getting involved in politics. My dad being a pediatrician, you know, I very much care. I created a full-day kindergarten and full-day pre-K wanted to be an early childhood educator. And those kind of are big, important. But there's a certain thing about. also just that was about being the middle child I was always trying to make a piece at home and so you know I think I don't know I don't think it's 50 50 but there's no doubt post having my own kids that I believe nature places a big more dominant role than

yeah and then you know obviously life of public service and essentially your kids are doing the same correct well it's interesting so this example I was you have to do a year of public service. You won the lottery ticket being an American. You have to get something back. Now, I'm got to be honest, I'm thinking Teach for America. Amy's, you know, Zach comes back. He's in UCLA and he says, third junior year, I'm thinking of joining the Marines. And I'm like, well, I'm thinking like Coast Guard and Lake Superior, okay? Now, I didn't realize, fast forward that the Canadians were going to be our enemies. Yeah. Yeah. His father, his grandfather, our both the Navy.

A Navy, Zach goes back and after about three months, he says, okay, I'm on to join the Navy.

And so public service is my kind of 50% contribution. Navy is 80% and he's

on his completing his six year. And that's Alana's now completing, I think, month six is the Navy

Reservists. It's amazing. So, my middle son came to me the day and said, Mom, he goes,

I feel like I want to go to military school I want to go to West Point I was like what he did yeah he's like I want to be a Navy seal I'm like what well that's we're not going to West Point we're going to Annapolis

for that yeah I mean I was like what is happening Bing? Bing wants to be a Navy SEAL yes he's 14 okay and he come his on his father's side his father was the only generation

that didn't serve and that's English And being just as like, I want to, I want to like be in, I want to be in Navy SEAL. Oh, God, I have a heart attack. I'm like, I can't. This is a phase. It's going to last three and a half minutes. Cut too, you know.

I wouldn't worry about it either. I'm Dr. Emanuel here. I wouldn't worry about it. But what about just public service in general? I mean, it used to be such an admirable thing. You want to get into it, you know, but do you find that it? it's just it's waning people are like i don't want to get into this fucking storm you know actually so i would give you a

no i don't what do i know but i still i still grew up with the kennedy public service is a noble profession i think our generation my at least sucks i think i look at my kids generation and they are so much aware of the world and what's around them is now they think all of us screwed it up I said, well, the world doesn't start just because you came around. So contrary to the way your mother says that the world starts and revolves around you, it's just true. But they're much more civically, and their friends are much more civically engaged than I remember my high school and college friends, much more.

That's good to know. Yeah. They have everything solved. But they think that we are all guilty for having screwed everything else. Of course. But then the next step is do they want to step into the arena and try to make a difference, you know? Or just Monday morning quarterback, you know, which is fine, too. Yeah, I don't know.

I think at least the friends they have or the friends they selected. That's another thing. Sidetrack. Yeah. You know you've done well on a parent not based on report card. Oh, yeah. Who your kids pick as friends. Yes.

And if their friends are good, good, you have done well. Yes. Because they lose a moral judgment. It is not the A, the B, the C, or the. I agree. It's the most under-discussed, and their friends were fabulous growing up. I've got fabulous now, and that's, to me, the most telling sign of the moral character of your child. Yes, I agree.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not a grades guy. I'm an effort guy. If you work your ass off on a math test, then I see that you're trying, and it just doesn't work out, I'm cool. I'm good, you know. I mean, Bodey, my middle son, is, school is easy. I don't know where he fucking comes from. Math, bang, bang, bang, gets it all done, A's, A's.

And he's the only one. I don't know where this. Nurture. It's not nurture, brother. It's definitely not nurture. A hundred percent. Example A in the nurture nature. Yeah.

No, I'm trying to nurture the other way. I'm like, let's take two days off. Let's go skiing. Dad, no. I am big about Grades, but I am saying on the moral character. Yes. You will not see it in a report card. You will only see it in the Friends of Selection.

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Moldova, Eastern Europe He's, now you went 6.3, 200 and some odd pounds, a boxer, steel worker, meat cutter. My mom is 511. She's growing up in the Balanchine era. 511, Russian,

Eastern European stock just doesn't cut the aesthetic. That's A. Always resented that she couldn't be a dancer. That's B. C, my freshman year of high school in the off season of soccer I say to my mother

I want to improve my soccer game I want to get my balance I want to get ready for sophomore year that's my she goes and this is Rosie Greer

in the Minnesota Vikings and taking up ballet yeah I remember that of the story she goes you should take up ballet and start to dance so I walk in

and there's 29 women and you're pink and I go Yeah I like this Sitting on a bench with 12 guys 29 women

I was not need I Sign me up I don't need I can figure this out I'm gonna And I start dancing And I

That was the reason But on the other hand I start to get really I'm good at it Actually it was really for soccer and I discover a skill I didn't know I had and I basically dropped

soccer and pick up ballet and then ended up having a scholarship to the school at Joffrey which I didn't take I decided to go to Sarah Lawrence this day. Wow. Did you keep dancing at Sarah Lawrence? I danced at Sarah Lawrence. I danced

afterwards all the way to 1995. Amazing. I danced at the Hubbard Street here in Chicago and Joel Hall growing up I danced at Gus Giordano at Evanson's

school of ballet I love it Wow Now do you What do you do now To like Do you do Pilates Do you keep your

Is that something You're Do you still keep your dancer Strength? I'm strong about you I do it I had I swim three times a week

A mile I do weight lift Two times a week For an hour I do yoga Twice a week for an hour each and I do

bike and elliptical I'm big about yoga do you have a peloton no you actually rode bike yeah I was ambassador I did four trips in

Japan I've done a bike around Lake Michigan here bike on the Oregon coast the whole coast from Washington to California dude how is that that's beautiful

I mean and weather wise it's probably gnarly huh so great okay it was one rain and stuff like that And then I did Pittsburgh to D.C. on the converted in Oaknell.

Amy and I did Tuscany. Alana and I did Amsterdam to Belgium. I love biking. We used to do the bike trips. We used to do Butterfield and Robinson. But yoga is my kind of replacement dance. Have you gone to India yet and done like a real yoga? Does this look like that?

I feel like you should do it. I feel like you're biking all over the world. Maybe you should do a little India yoga trip. Wait, back to the, did you only dance ballet, or was there other forms? So Gus Giordano was a, no, ballet was mandatory. Got it. Mom Emanuel as a foundation. And I was in first with Joe Hall or Gusto Donald at different stages of my life, with jazz or modern.

But ballet was always, and you weren't allowed to drop it. And from an artist's standpoint, was there true expression there for you? like through your through dance or was it more physical more much more uh physical is and i don't know about your daughter but my right side is more dominant so as long as i could do a performance going to the right i was no it was a physical thing and actually ends up bizarrely later saves my life uh did it yeah when i was 17 i had a major accident oh right and i nearly died and the doctor said if you weren't in your physical condition, you would have been a goner.

And that was... Really? It made me obsessive about exercise. I'm just getting into my obsession of exercise. I'm 49, and I want to be in the best shape of my life when I'm 50, and I've been, like, it's been three weeks, and I'm hammering it right now. I think part of the nature and nurture, like, my mom did the same. She's like, you're in ballet.

If you're going to do, you can do hip-hop, you can do, you know, jazz, contemporary. but you have to stay in ballet and I hate, I was so mad all the time. Right. And it was the best thing she ever did. I have such discipline. I'm on the job for you ballet board now. Amazing.

I love dance. I love going to dance and sing performance all the time. Oh my gosh. I'm like, I weep on my daughter. Of course, there's so many different reasons. But when she's dancing, it's just like, oh, I'd lose it every time. Well, you should go, you know what? This is a serious thing.

Yeah. San Francisco Ballet is one of the premier ballet companies in the United States of America in the world. They have a great artistic director and you should take a father and just goes, she'll love you like. That is a great idea. I'll buy the tickets. That is a great.

Yeah, for the dance. Idea. The hotel. Okay, for the dance. I wonder, Ron, like, where do you see yourself in five years? Like, you've done so much, you know, what, what are you looking for? forward to? Part of me, consistent with the show, is

I want to, I can't wait to see how, I mean, my kids have become the young adults and you've nurtured them and they're writing their own chapters in history. I want to see where they are rather than where I'm at. Two, I'm making a decision in the next two years about, you know,

my, uh, whether I run or not for, uh, presidency. Oh, man. That would be the last office I would, uh, cut a seat. Um, And I can't tell you if that's successful or not. So that determines where it will be on five years from now.

And if not, Ali and I will be working on our fly fishing guests. Of course we will. No, we'll do a show. A fly fishing show. I have a question about that. What does that entail in those two years? One is if you kind of operationally, the team you want to put together, most importantly, I have something I want to say, which is a story. I think, look, we're all three here.

We've been talking about family, which is a relevant subject. but we're all fortunate we can also do things let's be honest all of our kids are going to start on the 50 yard line yeah for a lot of americans and their kids given the struggles to change the 50 mile an hour head when they're going to be on their own tent and i just think you know as i often say people have there's a sense you feel like it's uh you're screwed hearing and the it's heads somebody else wins and tails you lose well you're not wrong because the system is actually rigged against your success and against your kid's success And I don't think it's an accident when the American dream becomes unaffordable is exactly when our democracy becomes unstable.

People stop believing that this is working. And I want to, I think I believe what I said earlier, which is if you're an American, you won the lottery ticket. And a lot of people feel like they lost, not won. And not only the confidence, but the accessibility. And so if you have that, and you are where you are in life, and you think you have something that others don't have, I'll make a decision to do it.

And then you put the team together to do it. How much does your family play into this decision? Well, it plays a tremendous amount because, one, you don't want to do anything to adversely affect your own kids. And then B, they've always supported me in the things like this. It takes your family. I jokingly say I put Amy's lawyer on spam so I can never file all the paper. and I can't say that and stuff like that.

But, you know, Amy's been, you know, both through Congress, Chief of Staff, Mayor and stuff, she's been incredibly supportive of stuff. It wasn't her first choice. You know, nobody who goes, I want to marry the guy that wants to be mayor of the city. It's not picked in on a regular basis. And, you know, I have protesters outside the house because of that.

They are like, this is great. Oh, you know, I'll tell you a funny, not a funny story, but a true. So we live up just north of Wrigley Field. And I made a big decision. Chicago had the shortest school day and shorter school year in the United States. I was going to give them kids a full school day. Go from five hours to seven hours of 15.

And there's a bunch of pro, we get a strike for the first time. There's a bunch of protesters outside. There's 400 people every morning screaming. It's the third day of the strike. And you can hear the screaming outside. I, you suck for that, you know. And Amy goes, I'm about to walk out, open the door. And she goes, you know, I've seen you through an impeachment.

I've seen you through health care. I've seen you through, you know, the fight for the assault weapon. I've never seen you calm. And I go, I've never felt more right about what I'm doing. Open the door. You're a jerk. To her credit, she knows this is important to me. It's not the first thing.

and she knows what I do is something that's not a profession but something that's a calling and so she'll support it and I'm very fortunate. Very fortunate. Amazing.

Well, in between then, if you go on a fly fishing trip, you must let me know. Don't know. I feel like I'm feeling Iceland, guys. I think that we, you know. Okay. Did you guy, former mayor of Louisville

by the name of Greg Fisher? Okay. He goes fly to fly, fishing with a group of the ice every year to ice. Kate, I'm going to give it. I'll get an hour. We're going to crash the road to trip. That's great.

I'm in. But there's no floating, Kate. No, you got to wait. Listen, guys, when I get cold, I'll just sit in the lodge. I don't know if you know this. The lodge is far away. Okay, fine. I'm good.

I'm good. I'm an outdoors girl. I'm sending you the New Zealand picture. The video, the video. Yeah. I just love it. You are going to love it. I want to go to New Zealand so bad.

Yeah. Love it, Ollie. Amazing. I started with Oliver and I ended with Ollie. I feel so. No, I don't. This is great. Perfect.

This has been so lovely. Thank you for taking the time, brother. Are you kidding? I loved it. Yeah, this is fun. I want to say thank you to both of you. Oh. Yeah.

We don't talk as a country enough about the fact how important family is. Mm-hmm. And while it's fun, we were joking about the fact that you guys decided not about your professions or whatever, but about your person, I can't thank you both enough for letting people in, not only your lives, but having people talk about theirs. Because we don't do that. And it's a chronic problem for us as a country. We have so many other things that stem from that. So thank you. I appreciate that.

And you're so fucking right, because put everything aside, there's such relatability with, you know. in family discussions, whatever side you're on, it doesn't matter. Those family realities are all interconnected. And if you can just talk about it, you find common ground in an area that is not so divisive, that is primal and real. You know, that's where a lot of common ground can be found. We have a really interesting family too because we have a lot of different beliefs in our family.

Like we all, we're all very different. Yeah. And yet we can talk. about it we can discuss it we can argue about it we can get a little loud about it but at the end of the day like we still only want to be with each other usually we would our families don't want to be with each other we like to talk about it yeah thanks rome see you buddy bye bye bye bye guys wow cool he's great he's so great yeah that was great yeah that was great now i have to vote for him

I have no choice. I want to talk to everybody. I mean, I think what he's saying is so right. It's like, you know, it's so interesting. It's such an interesting time. And I think anybody who lives, like, and says, I want to be of service, you know, I, there's a, it's a calling and I feel like I want to, you know, no matter what side you're on or what your beliefs are, like, I think everybody really, you know, that's where, that's. the where it comes from. So it's just interesting

when you get to know people from the point of view of their family. Mm-hmm. You know? And like what drives someone to be in a, to be in public service.

You know, public service. It's like, you know, and I have to say, I feel the same way about art, you know, and it's interesting that he's a dancer and that he has like a real, that artist expression,

even though he says it's physical for him. But like, I think art is a gift too. It's a calling too, meaning like when you want to entertain that calling is not necessarily just for yourself, even though I think creating art is for yourself, it's to, it's to impact a community or an experience, you know? And, and so it's, it's, it's as important on one edge as it is to have the calling to actually be in service of community and, like, structure, you know? Of course. I think, I think it is, it is a service. It's just a different way to look at it, you know, I mean, for sure, you're doing a public service when you put something out there artistically that touches people and makes people think differently and feel differently. could potentially change their lives, which sounds extreme, but art does that.

Music does that. I mean, songs have probably taken people off the edge, you know what I mean? Oh, and not only that, it can shift your whole, you could, you could see a movie and look at your life and go, well, wait a minute, wait a minute. I don't want to do this anymore. I want to do that. I want to be, I'm not living my, the life I want to be. Right.

So it can't do that. But then you, and that, I think, from the artist. side is a calling to be a part of that sort of emotional experience, whereas in politics, that calling is to actually feel like there's something that they know that they can put out that can really impact their community or, you know, globally. It's just, it's fascinating to me. I wonder how many lives. It's such a scary thing. Yeah. Become a part of, you know. I wonder how many lives my turn as Eddie Dolling on Dawson's Creek have saved. Oh my God, Oliver.

I think, I think, I think Nashville. Nashville definitely impacted a lot of people. Oh, yeah. I get letters. I get letters. Yeah, but I just loved that. That was so much fun. Oh, so fun.

You know, it's funny. We're not like very political, you and I. No. You know, and so when we interview politicians or people who are in politics, it's fascinating to me. I really want to do more of it. Yeah, it's an education. Yeah. Green party would be great.

Yeah. Like Ralph Nader. Is he still alive? Ralph Nader. I'll never forget Ralph Nader. Isn't that funny? He was such a huge part of our childhood. That whole election was like, I feel like that was for us, like the first election we understood.

It's true. Yeah. And Ross Perrault. I love all these characters. That was like us as kids learning about politics. Yeah. The Nader and Perot ticket. Oh, I love you.

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