Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Revel In It: Attention Procrastinators!

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Kate and Oliver are convinced they both struggle with ADHD, and according to our guest Psychiatrist Dr. Ned Hallowell, they may be onto something! Is ADHD based on your genetics? Is the propensity to procrastinate deep in your DNA? And, what can you do to find your focus?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No. No. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory. That's good. I am so excited.

I know me too. Because of ADHD. Yeah. I just want to say one thing. I haven't had a drink in a month. Yeah. A month? I haven't had a drink in a month and not a cigarette in a month. I'm so proud of you

It's a double edge though Because I'm going to be sober on your birthday I don't care Damn it you're supposed to You're supposed to drink again That makes you I'm going to toast to your sobriety But then I'm going to go to Cabo So

Just take it easy Just enjoy it I just I feel fucking great I mean I'm reading We'll go over all that I know we have the best waiting Well, yeah, let's do the guest. We'll talk about it all later.

We've been waiting for this, Dr. Ned Hallowell, which I think is how we pronounce it, Hollowell, Hallowell. We'll find out. I am incredibly excited because you talk about this a lot. We talk about this a lot. I think ADHD is like narcissism, like gaslighting, like all these like, you know, hashtag things. It's very, very overused to, you know, to.

to diagnose people, but I think we come from a long line of people who have certain types of things like dyslexia, ADHD, and I'm really excited. Me too. He's going to lay it all out. ADHD is hot right now, but is it too hot? Is ADHD has saturated the market? That's what I know. All right, let's invite him in.

Hello. Hi, Dr. How are you? I'm fine, thanks. How are you? We're good. We're very excited to have you on. Well, I'm excited to be with you.

You guys are, you guys are run the world. Well, one of us is. Kate's working. Now, so you're Kate and the fellow with you is your husband. That's my brother Oliver. Brother Oliver. She's strange. Her husband part boyfriend.

Yes. But she did call me a Greek god when we were young. young. I did. You were a very handsome dude. I felt like he needed that kind of validation. Well, with you as a sister, no wonder. Well, now you get it. So I get it. She's finally someone who understands me. Oh, my God. You look like your similar ages, are you? Yeah. I'm older, so thank you. Oh, well, yeah. Yeah. And Kate, you're, see if I'm up on my People magazine. You're married to a baseball player? No, no, but I did date a baseball player once.

Okay, so that wasn't who was it? No, you did not make that up. That was real. I think you were reading a People magazine from like 2013. Nine, 2009. 2009. How did you get into this? It's really wonderful of you to do it.

I mean, you're trying to give ADD the good name it deserves or? Yeah, Kay, you go. Well, so we, yeah, go. We come from a family of, of people. We all. Oliver and I grew up. We grew up in, you know, a time, same with my mom,

when people weren't putting a name to what it was that made certain things really difficult. It was smart and stupid and try harder. That's right. Or figure a way around it, you know. And I think people who suffered from ADHD were sort of, you know, you say, like, had nothing to understand. really what it was, except that, you know, for, I think for Oliver and I, it wasn't about necessarily

our intelligence or even our ability to like get it done. It was the procrastination. It was the last minute. Like, and I can speak for Oliver to. We're very similar like this. Like, you know, procrastinate till the last, last minute, right before class, doing everything you can to just get by. And yet when you kind of took the time to do the work and were able to have some sort of structure, would, would have far more success, but no tools to create structure. On top of that, we didn't have the kind of family because I think they all have the same thing that really understood structure to help, like, help us through whatever that was that we were struggling with.

It was just like, you know, you're failing this class, figure it out. And when I had my son, Ryder, I realized. there was something going on when he was really young about three years old uh third about third grade and i had him assessed and it was the first time i really understood ADHD as like a real like actually understood the bell curve where you could have and test like in the 90s of intelligence but your executive function could be you know under a 7% and how that learned the jargon i'm impressed that's good yeah well i've had to help i've had to try to help guide even amidst my own struggles And then Oliver and I had this moment, like, about a year ago where we, he, he, he,

Ollie was like, I think, I forget who said it first, but like, we walk into bookstores. We have the same experience. We're like, I want to read every book. And then you pick up a book and it just sits, it's like a, it takes like a year. Yeah, I'm in this moment right now. But yes. It just sits there and you try so hard. I've figured out some tools.

But anyway, we struggle with this. And so. By the way, I have not been, I don't know if you have Kate, but I have not been like clinically diagnosed with anything at all. Well, I could take care of that in about 10 minutes, but that's another thing. People make it sound so complicated, and it really isn't. Have you read any of my books, by the way? No.

No, but we are, because we don't have the focus. No, no, I know, I know. But the last one is only 100 pages long. Oh, wow. I can do that. For the express reason of people with ADD. My first one, driven to distraction, came out in 1990. It was too long.

I mean, lots of people read it, or said they read it, but, you know, it was just too long. But the recent ADHD 2.0 is only 100 pages, and most people can get through that. And it's a total eye-opener. I'm telling you, you will just jump for joy. It's so not nearly as complicated as people think it is, but it's much richer and much more. It's a way of being in the world. I don't even think of it as a medical diagnosis. certainly the term deficit disorder is it's just wrong.

We don't have, I have the condition along with dyslexia. I don't have a deficit of attention. I have an abundance of attention. My challenge is to control it. My mind is going 17 ways all at once. And that's hard. And you mentioned procrastination. The reason we procrastinate is we crave high stimulation.

We cannot do boredom. is our kryptonite. We just can't do it. So one way of creating high stimulation is to create a crisis. Well, one way to create a crisis is to procrastinate. So if you're getting something done at the very last minute, you've got a big bolus of adrenaline. And adrenaline is nature's own ritalin or adderol. You know, so you're self-medicating without meaning to self-medicate. That's why we also, we'd love to get into arguments and fights and difficult relationships and and um god i love fighting it's also why we're so unbelievably generous we uh we we just we just give give this just our our way of being and uh it's such an interesting condition and and but to get

rid of the pathology no deficit disorder i mean i renamed it variable attention stimulus trait and and the variability is the key we are never the same person day to day minute to minute even and we can be explosive one second where we're we're rapturously in love the next second we're we're arguing back and forth the next second but we do have a heart of gold unless we've been traumatized so much that that it's been beaten out of us but most of us were unbelievably naive I mean I can't tell you how many women I asked to marry me on the first date it's like we're having fun let's make it last you know and and that's so typical You know, we're these babes in arms.

And, you know, God looks out for us because most of us are pretty darn talented, which is, which is good. But when did you start this? Meaning, when you were young, you had ADHD or ADD or whatever the hell it was called. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm 75 years old. Right. You're supposed to say you don't look at, right? You don't look at.

You don't look at day over 58. Thank you. But so when I was in school, I went to school in Chatham down on Cape Cod. And that was a very, you know, I got my ID stolen in Chatham. Oh, no kidding. I sure did. I had a fake ID and I was going into that bar there. My wife is from there.

My in-laws were from Falmouth. I go there every year. They're Bostonians. My wife. So, you know, Chatham, one of her best friends. You know a good old wasp. Oh, yeah. Like me, you know what I call the Wasp Triad?

alcoholism, mental illness, and politeness. Exactly. My in-laws. That's the best. And we just, we called it a drinking town with a fishing problem. Yep. That's all of it. That's me.

So there I am in first grade and I can't read. And you're supposed to learn to read in first grade. And they didn't know from learning differences. They were, like I said, smart and stupid and try. harder. And they actually, to get you to try harder, they would spank you. They spanked kids in first grade and chat them back then. But I was so lucky. I had a teacher by the name of Mrs. Eldridge, and she lives in my memory forever. She knew there was more to kids having trouble reading than being stupid, and that there were better ways to help them than punish

them and humiliate them. So what was my treatment plan? What was my IEP? During reading period. We'd be sitting at these little roundtables reading those exciting books, C-Spot Run. And she would just come over and sit down next to me. I would feel so safe. You know, none of the other kids would laugh at me as I would stammer and stutter because I had the mafia sitting next to me. And that was my IEP. Now, by the end of the year, I was the worst reader in the class, but I was the most enthusiastic terrible reader. You know, I really wanted to learn to read. And that's because the part of my brain that has talent with words was trying the best it could to inch its way out because it hadn't been scared away by the punishments and the shame and the ridicule. It hadn't yet reached its critical

mass, if you will, but at least the door was still open because of that wonderful lady's arm. Now, I ended up majoring in English at Harvard and I, and I've, while doing pre-med and I've written 23 books and it doesn't look like I have a reading disability, but I sure do. It takes me forever to get through a book. My wife says, I don't know how you know anything. It takes me so long. But it's like everything in this world, it's all paradoxical. You know, you can do this, you can't do that, you want to do this, you can do it. And as long as people don't try to beat us into submission, we change the world. Whoever invented the wheel definitely had ADD, you know, and

Hollywood is ADD heaven. Oh, my God. It's still enough as Wall Street, you know, and wherever you find high intensity, high creativity, high emotional energy, you'll find ADD. Like I said,

the thing we can't do is lack of stimulation, boredom. We just can't do it. Not that we won't do it, we can't do it. It's like it's our kryptonite. Yeah, it's so fucking true. I feel that so much. That's another thing. We say a lot of fuckens.

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but they didn't really know what that was either. And so I just went ahead, you know, and And it was clear that I wanted to be a psychiatrist because my father was crazy. You know, the Wasp Pryad. My family was a family of drunks and lunatics. And, you know, they were all well-meaning, though. They were nice, which matters, you know. But I was on a mission, and that's another thing. We're very mission-driven.

I'll bet the two of you, you're passionate. It's what makes you so good. And so my mission was to, you know, give the strange mind a good name. I'm proud to be the way I am. I don't feel the least bit of shame. I think other people should be envious. And the reason is they don't have new ideas. What we have in spades that other people don't have is this huge imagination.

We don't realize how big it is because we've always had it. We don't realize how dull most people are. you know and they just can't conceive of what we're so funny you say that because i always wonder like my brain is so on fire i mean i love my brain but it's i'm thinking this and my bad mama i'm creating scenarios that don't exist i i'm entering worlds that i might have created just for and i'm like what am i doing right now i'm playing out death scenarios where my whole family is dead and i'm sad at all the time i'm just like i do the same thing i'm just like what the fuck am i doing you know you too kate i mean you're oh my god

that and like every scenario. My brain wanders and sometimes I'll sit in bed when I'm really quiet and I'll think of this like insane like fairy tale like science fiction world and I'll be like and then it's gone. And I'm like, where did it go? I can't write it down. Don't worry. It'll come back. You couldn't get rid of it if you wanted to.

I, you know, I wonder my son has this thing because he's, he's, you know, he has the type where like it takes him forever to wake up in the morning. And I don't know, I don't know what that is. I'm like, I wake up and I'm like, I'm shot out of a cannon. Rider has this thing where he Ryder. That's a great name. How old is he now? He's 21. Oh, boy. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. So he, he's doing really great, but he's, his struggle is like, to get up in the morning, it takes him forever. Well, actually, that's pretty common. We, we, we have trouble. shutting it down at night, as I like to say, I don't want to leave the party. Yeah.

When we finally get ourselves to shut it down, in the morning, it, raising it back up again is help. With my daughter, we had to buy her a flying alarm clock. So she had to get out of bed to turn it off. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. And what, so that's basically because the brain's finally resting. Yeah. And it's just, it's just for whatever, whatever makes our brain unusual, it doesn't like to be put down and then it doesn't like to be activated.

Are there different forms of ADHD? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, it's certainly multi-varied. No, no two of the same. I mean, the famous difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Talk about that for a second because I want to get into, there's so many questions. But, you know, you've got, first of all, ADHD seems hot right now. It's like everyone is ADHD, my algorithm is all ADHD, you know, from sort of the disastrous, you know, to where there's suicide to sort of the, you know, just this sort of scraping of the surface of it, you know. So how does the, what's the spectrum? Well, first of all, it's so misunderstood. Like I said, I could, and if you read 2.0, you'll see it. I'm going to. Yeah, it's a way of being in the world that is fundamentally different from other people's way of being in the world.

But there are commonalities. So, I mean, while no two ADDs are the same, you take us as a group, and you can see that there's a lot in common. And where does non-ADD leave off and ADD begin? It's sort of like, where does day leave off and night start? You know, there's a long period of dusk, and so it is with this condition. You can't say exactly where, but you sure can say there's a difference between night and day. you know there's no doubt about that so people who like to say well you can't tell well that's true you can't tell at what time we go into night but you can say midnight is different from noon and

that's the way it is with this condition we're tremendously varied we tend to be very creative passionate generous like I said impulsive by the way the three so-called defining some in the diagnostic manual you know this condition is classified as a mental illness which is ridiculous. We should all be so mentally ill. Anyway, the three defining qualities that make up the definition are distractibility, impulsivity, and hyperactivity. Well, take each one of those and turn it on its head, and you get a positive that you can't buy or teach. The flip side of distractibility is curiosity. You know, what's that? What's that? What's that? Yeah, you're being distracted, but you're being distracted because you're so curious. You want to know, what's

that? What's in there? You're constantly, but when I was a kid, they called me the question box. And they say, oh, here he comes. Better to get out of the way. You know, he's going to wear you out with all his questions, you know. And then impulsivity, oh, that's so bad, he's so impulsive. Look at me asking to marry me on the first date over and over again. What is creativity, but impulsivity gone right? You don't plan to have a new idea. They pop, sponsor. spontaneously, impulsively, you know, and you can't on-demand say, okay, now be creative. I mean, you as an actor must feel that all the time. Your best moments or your ad-libs or your, you know, where did that come from?

You know, and then the third one, hyperactivity, you get to be my age, is called energy. I'm really glad I've got this little turbo pack on my back. And so what I'm trying to tell the world is get it out of the, diagnostic manual of madness, the DSM, and put it into the diagnostic manual of life like Shakespeare. I mean, you know, because that's where it ought to be. It's a variant on the theme of normal, but it's very much not normal. I mean, you know, most people don't have it and don't have, I tell people, I don't treat, I don't treat disabilities. I help people unwrap their gifts. And this is a gift that does not unwrap itself.

And when you're talking to, do you usually work with adults and children? Or, I mean, do you work with people anymore? Oh, yes. Oh, I love it. And both children and adults, more adults now than kids. Although kids for sure, most people bring their kids to me to have me unbrainwash them, you know, tell them that there's actually a lot of good about this. And you're not a lazy nook.

Yeah. And they just sit up in their chair. It's like sprinkling fairy dust. They just suddenly, you can see them. It's like those things, the enemies, you put them in a bottle of water and they just blossom. Well, that's what these kids do when they hear the truth about who they are. So there's two parts of this. There's hearing the truth, which is, which makes your back go up straighter.

Yep. But then there's implementing sort of the lessons or the tactics to bring out the best in your ADD. So that's why you need, you need three things. You need knowledge, which you get like we're doing now. you need structure because we get up time and go to bed time you know creative people who say I don't like structure I say yes you do look at Shakespeare and Mozart they worked within the tightest most structured forms you could imagine

and within that they created infinite variety so structure and and creativity go hand in hand without structure you have chaos with structure you create beauty and then and so that you need Information, you need structure, you need a coach, and that could be a teacher, a parent, a therapist, a doctor. Somebody really understands what Mrs. Eldridge was for me. She didn't know from ADD, but she knew a talented kid when she saw one and helped draw that out.

And then the question of medication, which is so misunderstood, medication is like eyeglasses. When it works, you see clearly. When it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And that's okay. You don't have to have it. It's not necessary. But when it works, it's a godsend.

It's an absolute godsend. People, you know, people say, well, I'd rather try without medicine for a few years. And I say to them, that's fine. I've written books about how to unwrap the gift of ADD without meds. But it's sort of like saying, why don't we do a few years of squinting. before we try eyeglasses. You know, why not try the proven remedy that will make all the non-medication remedies

that much easier to use? People are amazingly Neanderthal or just skittish when it comes to medication. And, well, they should be because there's a lot of bad meds out there, you know, for sure. I get nervous about, I get nervous about, like, kids on Adderall and stuff like that. I don't like that.

Well, you should get nervous, but that's why it's so important to see a good doctor. And there aren't that many to find. You know, a lot of people say they know about it and how to treat it, but they really don't. How many different ADD meds are there? I know there's like Vivance and there's Adderall. It's probably 15.

But the basic two, the core two, and this is very reassuring news, guess what year simulant was first used to treat what we now call ADD? Let's make a wild guess. Okay. I'm going to say 1850. 18, no, no, 1890s. I'm going to say 1990s. You are boldly.

1937. Right. 1937. Wow. 18th century. I was, I went to like, I went to this like, um, pharmacy that was like in the wild West that was like an old mockup and they had, they had all kinds of medications that we had no idea.

Like, was like, whoa, look at all this stuff. And that was 1896 or something. In the 1930s though, was that medication actually targeting attention, No, no, no. Nobody heard of that. No, no, no, no. It was, that was, what it was targeting was the one symptom you can't ignore, which is disruptive behavior. It was boys who were throwing chairs around. And what was that medication? Amphetamine. It was infatomy. Adderall, yeah. Yeah. And it worked wonders. And the kids, far from not wanting to do well, they loved it. They called it their arithmetic pill. Because now they could finally memorize

these infernally boring math facts that they'd literally been unable to do before they were so boring you give them some amphetamine and they're sitting down they're humming and they're happy because everyone wants to do well and they were doing well they'd gotten their eyeglasses and the medication when it works or it doesn't work like I guess it just has to sort of coincide with your chemistry and it's got to work correctly I I took adderol one time at Coachella where a friend's like do you take an Adderall it's fucking rad and I took it and I hate it. I hated it. I was like, I feel like, shit. My wife takes Vivance and it's a game changer. She's on Vivance. Yeah, she gets everything fucking done. She takes it as needed.

You've seen how dramatic it can be. I have. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to take a Vivance. I'm going to make a, I'm going to fucking make a float plan. I'm going to take up. I'm going to do my shit. And I took a Vibance and I'm like, oh, man, I don't feel good. I don't like this. Okay. What was it? What was the dose? Oh, gosh. That makes a big difference. So before you give up on that. Right. Before you give up on it, just check the dose because what these meds do is very dose-related. Yeah. The lowest is like 10-millimeter. A V-Vance, the lowest is, I think they have a five now. They do.

Yeah. You know, basically it's in increments of 10 milligrams up to around 70. Okay. But there's no such thing, by the way, the pharmacists don't understand this, but there's no number diagnosis that is by definition too high. you assess whether the dose is too high or too low by what it does to you if it makes you wacky then the dose is too high if it does nothing then the dose is too low and again we need a sudden attack of common sense to you know for this all to be resolved the time the timing of this is interesting because I have never gone to a doctor I've been in therapy all my life

but I've never been clinically diagnosed over what Kate did to you as a little boy well to get over what I did to her. It was the other way around. But I've called a few friends and they've said, oh, you need to see this person and I got in touch with someone and it was this long, crazy testing and this. I'm like, I don't want to fucking do all this. And you shouldn't have to. So then how is one sort of quickly diagnosed?

Like, how do we know whether we have this, you know, gift? Let's just reframe it. Yeah, like how can you distinguish between. to see someone who knows it as well as I do. And by the way, don't tell people that I said I can diagnose you in a half an hour because they'll think I'm a quack. Right. But I absolutely can.

I mean, I can honestly diagnose someone the minute they walk in the room. I can feel it. It emanates off of the matter. I can feel a fertile imagination when I'm with one. So are we all crazy? Am I officially diagnosed? Yes, yes. Yes.

You are blessed. You have the gift. Can I ask about the correlations with ADHD or ADD and anxiety and depression? Yes. Oh, yes. Let me tell you. I mean, again, it's obvious and very straightforward. Sorry to interrupt you, but I suffer.

I'm on 20 milligrams of lexapro because anxiety has been an issue in my life. And I think we should revise that. Do you still have libido, by the way? Too much, babe. Oh, good for you. Good for you. The problem with SSRIs is they diminish libido and they're cognitively dulling. You lose a few IQ points.

And I don't think that's worth it unless you really need it. No, I just real quick, sorry. I tried to wean off of it and I did it correctly and I was so fucked up. I had to go back on because I was like, I cannot. So you're one of the people who needs it. And it's a good thing we have. It's just widely overused. But the relationship between.

The relationship between the two is as follows, if you can't focus and get organized and do what Kate earlier called correctly executive function, if you can't do that, it's such a fundamental part of everyday life, you're going to be anxious. What am I going to miss? What am I going to overlook? Who's going to call me out next? What am I going to get in trouble for? And you're walking around like, you know, oh, my Lord. You're like in a constant state of failure. Like you're just failing things.

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. feels like shit. So not only are you anxious, but you're in a low-grade depression. It's not really depression as it is anxious apprehension that, you know, you're not feeling good about yourself or about your life. Well, that can look like depression. So you get diagnosed with these two artifacts caused by the untreated ADD of anxiety and depression. And what happens almost always, particularly with adult women, you get put on an SSRI to treat the

to treat the effect of the untreated ADD, to treat the anxiety and depression you get put on an SSRI that has all kind of side effects that are undesirable. So if instead you treated the ADD first, then you'd feel more focused so you wouldn't be so anxious, and your achievement would go up so you wouldn't feel so depressed. September Ones feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects,

are just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable,

somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight, of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest-ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host.

I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paula Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith.

And that's what I believe in. To bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening. in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now.

We were getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeard Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned. and angry patients.

You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands. And then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story. Starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I had this like overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then.

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I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance, bro, tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards.

If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem a year from now. When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets.

I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse.

For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I think Oliver, this is a really interesting thing. I am like my, this is my favorite podcast ever done. And by the way, I want to be friends. Like, I just want to put that out there. I don't know where you live.

Where do you live? Just outside of Boston. Okay, good. I'm there for three weeks during the summer. Come hang out. Oh, are you kidding? I'd be the toast of the neighborhood. You know who he knows?

Wow. I really, I really want, like, how can it? parent, okay, who can't afford to have their child see somebody, but notices this in their child. Like, how do they support their, how do they support their child? Like, what's the best way to reach it? Because I know how hard, I know how hard it is. And, you know, to, to, to, even just to, even just to know that you're what, what it is that's going on with your kid. Like, how can, like, someone listening, like, What can they do that can make just like one thing or something simple that they can clue into for their kids? Well, knowledge is incredibly powerful.

And if they would read 2.0, this is the most recent than the shortest. I mean, people really, they start crying 10 pages into the book. Chapter 1 lays out what it is and they said, holy shit, you know, why didn't someone tell me this? And it saves marriages, it saves childhoods, it saves jobs, it saves jobs. It saves careers. I mean, people get fired right and left because of the impulsivity that comes with ADD or they get kicked out of school. And they get chalked up as bad seed or, you know, the devil's in it.

And all it is is imagination run wild. The analogy I give kids, I say, it's like you've got a Ferrari engine for a brain. You've got this incredibly powerful race car for a brain. The problem is you have bicycle brakes. Well, I'm a brake specialist. I'll help you strengthen your brakes. So you won't drive-through stops on. So you won't spin out on curb.

So you'll win the races. You're a champion in the making. But you got to strengthen those breaks first. Ollie, is this making you emotional? A little, yeah. I mean, it's just so spot on. Like, I just relate to it entirely. And just, you know, we were talking about before you came on.

But, you know, I haven't had a drink in a month. I haven't had a cigarette in a month. And for me, that's big. I might be a lowercase a alcoholic. I definitely have you know impulsivity issues addiction sort of it's I can feel that it's a part of my DNA you know so actually Kate asking that you know I and I've never been more clear I feel like I'm on my brain is on fire now with sort of this the fog has lifted and your best work is ahead of you are you an actor as well or yeah yeah yeah so this is this is part of I have so many questions but

you know for me personally I we have We have an extremely talented family, and everyone is in this business. Yeah, I am the most talented, but I am the most talented. I'm the most talented. I could win awards as actor. I could directing, but I have it. And you're the most modest on top of the whole. Yeah, but that too. So humble. Yeah, but if there's so much inside of me that I want to get out, but it's so difficult because I get overwhelmed. and quit you know i i don't know how to access it and it's frustrating because i know how great i am wait wait wait you guys i have to i have to interrupt this because my son just facetimed me and i said

honey i'm on a podcast is guys amazing we're talking with an ADHD expert and he writes i hope he's making me sound like the genius i am excellent oh there you're saying right now Ryder, writer, her son is a lot like me. A lot like. I think the most alike. You've raised them right. Sadly, they're like 2%. You know, 98% get told from day one that they're bad boys, bad girls.

They know. Sluts, they're hypersexual, they're addicts. I'll never forget when my son came home in sixth grade and writer, funny, popular, cool, makes everybody laugh. like, and he just came home weeping, I'm so stupid. I can't, I'm so dumb. I'm, and I, and, and I was like, what a terrible, like, you know, when you, when it's your child and you know how brilliant they are, it's like, thank God I'm not that kind of parent that needs excellence in, in, in academics.

Yeah. She's the opposite. She's like, I know, honey. recognize the gift without, without decorating it with grades and prizes. But let me, can I just get back to this impulsivity thing again? Because I, because it can be dangerous, you know, with gambling or drugs or alcohol or sex or all of that, right? Oh, all of it. Absolutely.

I've done all of those, you know. Right. So how do you come out of that? You know what I'm saying? Like, at what point are you moving into real addiction stuff? In one point, and what point is it sort of your ADHD and impulsivity taking over? Well, that's like the thing, where does day leave off the night beginning? And one of the best rules of life I ever learned was from my first year of psychiatric training.

Tom Guttall was his name. And he said, never worry alone. And that is so profound. Oh, I love that I'm writing that down. Just never worry alone. When you worry alone, you get into worse trouble. That's when your worst introspection. happen when your worst fears get confirmed when you hate yourself when you behave impulsively

you get drunk or attempt suicide or whatever it might happen to be you know and so if you if you have people reliable others friends whatever that you and that you're honest enough to tell them the truth you know some of our stuff is not exactly we want everyone to know about it but um if you're brave enough and that's the solution is to not worry alone i love that i might get that tattooed on me that's just the best well it's interesting because my kids you know wilder my oldest i'm i'm like what a good name for someone with a dd his name is wilder his name is wilder yeah wow that's great and and i'm like do you think you have like a dd and he's like oh yeah of course he goes there's no doubt of course but he's like but he's just like kind of oh he's cool with it he's

Like, I don't, yeah, of course. And that he should be. I mean, I brag about it. I tell people. Yeah, and even Bodie, my middle kid is, my middle boy's name's Bote. Bodhi or Bodhi? Bodhi, B-O-D-H-I, like Bodhi Sokva. And, you know, his brain is on fire and he's crazy.

And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm nuts. I know they're all crazy, but there seems to be an acceptance of their insanity, you know. And thank God, thank God, because we live in, you know, there's so many narrow-minded people out there and they do so much damage. But, you know, I happen to believe in God. And people pin me down about that. And they say, well, you believe in God as a fairy tale. I say, well, you believe in love, don't you?

And most people say, yeah. I said, well, God is love. It's just that simple. No, I'm with you. I'm not, I don't, but is God a person in the sky? No, it's a spirit. It's a force. It's an invisible force.

Right, but is it a male or female. Like gravity is an invisible force. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone?

Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.

Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis. from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country.

This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about 14. years ago now. We're getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart podcast present IVF disrupted the kind body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of

women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what?

All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time?

I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing.

Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcomfit podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a conversation? condescending finance bro. Tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem a year from now. When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt

when it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I still want to understand something that a parent can do to help their child. Like, what is something like tangible, something they can start? Kate, just what I've been saying. Teach them about their brain. Teach them. I wrote a shorter book recently. It's called ADHD Explained.

And it's got illustrations. and, I mean, it's even shorter. It's even easier to read. But it's not watered down. It's not like a children's book. It is in the format, but people, and it's wonderful. See, you can read that with them. And then it can't be done in one sitting.

It's over the course of a childhood of a lifetime. And it's a matter of delving. I still discovered parts of myself. I didn't know. I mean, and it's a wonderful exploration to finding out, you know, and it's plus and minus. pain and pleasure. I, too, had a major drinking.

I wasn't alcoholic, but I looked forward to my drinks every day. And then about five years ago, without planning or even wanting to, I just stopped. I had no idea. It was the grace of God, because I was trying to start a new book, and the title of it is, you're better than you think you are. And I think my brain knew that I'd do better off alcohol than not. How much would you drink at when you? you came home? On your average day, I mean, more than two beers, I'll say that. I'd go out for

dinner and I'd have two or three martinis and two or three glasses of wine. Yeah. And before I got married, well, that was 35 years ago, but even when I was dating soon, my idea of heaven was to go out with a beautiful woman and who was intelligent. And we would have amazing conversation over several martinis and several cigarettes. And we'd settle all the issues of the world. I know we'd be friends. I'm telling you we're...

I mean, that was heaven to me. And even as I describe it now, it sounds pretty good, you know? Yeah. God. I'm definitely visiting you this summer. Yeah, no, I mean... What is the... Before we... I have one other question about, like,

the hyper-focused ADD, like the ones that go into hyper-focused where they can go well we all do i mean that's why i can write so many books i mean right when when we are creatively engaged we are rock we are laser being focused yeah building could be burning down and we are not aware we are so there you're probably like that when you're acting both of you i mean when you're doing something creative that you want to be doing it can be incredibly difficult like what you guys do is very very you know what i do writing very difficult disciplines but but you guys do it's very very difficult

disciplines. But we love it. And so we focus on it. And we also hate it because it's never, I don't know about you, but it's never as good as I want it to be. And so it's like golf. You're never as good as you want it to be. But why do I play it? Because nothing's better. How about that Masters, by the way? Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, it's the best. By the way, I'm a scratch golfer. I used to be a plus two. Are you really? Yeah. I was obsessive. My God. I was my ADD sort of focused me on that when I was in my late 20. money's and 30s and I became very good. Golf is a great ADD sport because you get another chance every time.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I had bet on Malkeroy and I thought I won and I thought I lost and I thought. Oh, God, what. It was so great. It was so much fun to watch. Kate, you're a golf fan too? I mean, is that?

You know what's funny? I got the bug about a year ago. Now I'm really loving playing golf. Good. And now I love watching. I've never enjoyed it. And now, I, like, put on even, like, you know, the ladies PGA, and I just watch it. I'm like, oh, no.

It's incredible control over all these different moving parts. Oh, I. A beautiful golf swing is beautiful. Oh, and Rory's is my favorite golf swing ever. Ollie, Ollie, the Greek God that he is, has an amazing golf swing. Now, who's Ollie? Is he your... Oliver is the person that you're talking.

Ollie, Oliver. My brother. Yeah, he's Oliver. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. Yeah, we've got to work on that ADD. It's really touching and obvious how much you love each other. That's really, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just have two of you or do you have other siblings? No. We have, we have siblings. So it's four of us that all grew up together. So me and three brothers, including Ollie. And then Oliver and I all together, we have six

siblings. Oh, half. There's halves in there. Yeah. And are your parents, creatives, too? Yeah.

Every single one. Yeah, that's wonderful. What a, yeah. And you grew up in California? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And Colorado.

You're both in your 40s? I'm 48. Yeah. Wow. You have to write this at some point, you know. I know. We should. Well,

that's what's fun about this podcast is being able to sort of connect in a different way, you know, uh, Katie and I. being able to have these conversations with you and other people and you learn about yourself you know as we go through this process of the podcast this has been amazing i cannot wait to read your book that hundred pager and i feel like as ad as ad gets more prominent your books are going to get shorter and shorter to the point where it's like you're going to open up the book and

it's like you have if you've bought this book you have it that's it But before we leave, I know we've got to go, but I want to ask a real quick question about, you know, how you've seen this, you know, this gift grow and has it gotten, has there been more? And how much social media, how much technology is influencing this, or if it is at all? Oh, my God.

It is like, I mean, I, it's an answer to my prayers. When I published Driven Distraction, I have a very good friend who's a major player in the publication world, and he said, Ned, don't get your hopes up. This book is not going to change your life. And second, I don't like your title. It sounds like a book about cars. Both of those statements have proven to be very wrong. It's not a book about cars, and it dramatically changed my life, but more important, changed the lives of millions of people. It sold two million copies and still.

selling strong. And then the other books I've written, they're not all about ADD, a book about worry, a book about raising children. That's my favorite book. And a book about connection, a book about my own crazy family. The title is because I came from a crazy family. And that was my answer, by the way, and people would say, why did you become a psychiatrist? I said, because I come from a crazy family. I am so blessed and relieved and grateful. I mean, the fact that I'm talking to you, that means it's going to move even more. And the chance for truth and knowledge to do good in this world is just wonderful when

you see it. Because so often the opposite held sway. But this is a good news diagnosis. most medical diagnosis, I can say to my patients, for sure, you will get better. How much better? I can't tell you. But I can promise you your life will improve. And that's pretty wonderful feeling, you know. Have you seen a spike? No, a growth, a growth. Does TikTok? Yeah. Have you seen me on TikTok? No, I haven't. But I'm wondering if like you think that tick, because everyone says it does, but from a doctor's

standpoint, does TikTok fuck you up? No. What? No. Depends. Yes. Yes. No. Social media can fuck you up. It's, and it's not just the content of the social media.

It's what you're not doing when you're on social media. You're not playing baseball. You're not having sex. You're not writing a novel. You're not, you know, daydreaming, lying on your back in the grass and daydreaming. You're not doing all. the things that your mind is meant to do. And watching TikTok is pretty low on the, on the, on the table of what is good for you to do. I say that as someone who I've made like 50 TikTok

things about ADD, but, but some of them are just so inane. And then people really do get addicted. They really do. If you define addiction as craving and then becoming really violent when you don't get it. Yeah, TikTok addiction, social media addiction is very real. Okay. But don't worry about that. Just channel your kids and other kids into the garden of delights that life offers in a positive and constructive way.

You guys are the fairy godmothers of this world. People look up to you and follow you. And you happened, I can tell Justin talking to you, you happen to be good through and through. You're honest, you're playful, you're fun, you're creative. You happen to be very attractive, which never hurts. And you know, and you're doing, you're like this, you don't need to do this podcast. You're doing it because you want to do something useful, do something creative, and you are.

Yeah. And I'm not buttering you up, I'm just saying what I'm feeling. I love that. That made me feel so good. I mean too. Well, I'm 100% going to buy your book right now. I know, me too. We've suddenly, we've made new.

friends. I love it. When did your book 2.0 come out? Two years ago. Okay. And do you have another one coming out soon? Well, as soon as some, I mean, I keep polishing, polishing, polishing. I've never put so much time into a book ever. I've been working on it for a couple of years. And like I say, the title is, you're better than you think you are. And I just, I see this as a, as a problem bigger than ADD by far. There are just so many people out there who sell them short you know and they and they they give up too easily because they just don't have that faith in themselves and it almost always comes back to they don't have the right people encouraging them it's just very hard to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and and

they have the talent they have the goodness they have the motivation and and they they they just in fact the book the first line of the book is a how do you convince a person that it's Sunday when it is, in fact, Sunday. That's great. I love that. And that's the conundrum that so many people live with it. Well, you two are very special, and I thank you for... Thank you.

I appreciate this, man. This is really fun. Thank you so much. Have the best day, and we'll have you on again. Yeah, keep in touch. We'll keep this going. Take care. Yeah, take care.

All right. Thanks, doctor. Bye. Oh, my God. How great. I love him. I want to be his friend. I want him to mentor me.

I want him to take me to the promised land, whatever that is. I feel inspired. Me too. I'm going to go like direct something and win an award. Well, no, what you should say is what you want to do is get off your, is re- That was big for me. Yeah. Like, what an amazing thing to be like, oh, wait.

What if I leave my mind? I've been treating my symptom, not the actual problem. Yeah. So maybe you need to get off, try to get off of it. Not wait till after the summer. Don't ruin our summer. Let's not get weird in Greece. Yeah, maybe I'll start in like, you know, when we get home, like in August.

Yeah, and like d wean off. And then go on five hands. And then try, yeah, try something else. as long as you feel good about it, you know. Wow, that was cool. I know, I can't wait for a writer to hear this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I loved it.

I loved it. All right, goodbye. Okay, bye. Hi, I'm Jennifer Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcomfit podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time?

Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcomber podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, it's Gemma's Begg, host of the Psychology of Your 20s. This September at the Psychology of Your 20s, we're breaking down the very interesting ways psychology applies to real life, like why we crave external validation.

I find it so interesting that we are so quick to believe others' judgments of us and not our own judgment of ourselves. So according to this study, not being liked actually creates similar pain levels as real-life physical pain. Learn more about the psychology of everyday life and, of course, your 20s, this September. Listen to the psychology of your 20s on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's important that we just reassure people that they're not alone and there is help out there. The Good Stuff podcast, season two, takes a deep look into One Tribe. Foundation, a nonprofit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they

bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. One Tribe, save my life twice. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance brof trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No, thank you.

Instead, check out Brown. Ambition. Each week, I, your host, Mandy Money, gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel uses, like on Fridays when I take your questions for the BAQA. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace, I got you. Listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness. I'm Danny Shapiro, and these are just a few of the powerful stories I'll be mining on our upcoming 12th season of Family Secrets. We continue to be moved and inspired by our

guests and their courageously told stories. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.