Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Russell and Clayton Peters

Episode Date: February 12, 2020

On this week’s episode of “Sibling Revelry,” Kate and Oliver sit down with comedian Russell Peters and his brother/manager Clayton Peters. They talk about growing up in Canada, their relationships with their parents, the racism their family faced, when and how they started working together, their love for hip-hop and much more. Despite what you may see on social media, there are no farts in this episode. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast. This episode is sponsored by Rothy's and Four Sigmatic.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, no. Sibling revelry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling rivalry. That's good. We got to sit down with Russell and Clayton Peters. It was really great. It's one of our first ones we actually did.

He has a special out now. It's called Deported. they came over and such a great relationship they those two boys have yeah i mean it's it's definitely interesting because i mean we'll get we'll get into all that i don't want to yeah you'll hear about it but it's pretty cool but it was one of one of our first ones yeah and so we were sort of you know when listening back on it it's just funny because we were kind of you know kind of green well it's just fun we were finding our way i farted way too many times into the microphone That we cut out.

I think all of them, all of your farts. We left not one fart. They're disgusting. I know. But, you know, it was interesting to hear, you know, we read his book, but they had a really interesting childhood. It was fascinating to hear them talk about growing up in Canada, not give away too much, but what it was like to be not just Indian, but of a certain Indian descent growing up in Canada. Yeah. And how that sort of affected their lives.

And again, how different their perspectives are. Because Clayton's older, Clayton is Russell's manager, should say that. And has been working with him for a long, long time. And he, like, loves hip-hop. Hip-hop is his thing. And that's even how we completely started. It just started right off the bat. We started talking about hip-hop.

and I think it was Farside so when the episode starts it's just like we're like we're like right into hip hop but anyway I really loved talking with them

it's the hip hop hostel hip hop evolution have you watched that on Netflix no yeah that's his he's like really seriously into hip hop, big time. He got an Emmy for it and a P-Bah? Really?

For executive producing it. Oh, good, I got to check it out. No, you'll like it. It's a series? Yeah. That's great. But the thing is, if you ever did research, which you don't and I do. I like off the cuff.

This is how I work. What you realize is, is that he loved hip hop so much, but like you say that you couldn't do. I can't rap worth a damn, but I DJ. Right. You do. DJed and that was his passion. I used to get high and freestyle all day.

I try to get Ollie to free stuff. style on this podcast. I do it as a joke whenever Mely Mel calls me. Right. Mely Mel. So you know all these days. Yeah, yeah. Like Mel called me the other day, FaceTime, you know, Tommy, congratulations. And whenever I answer the fun, I'm like, it's the Emmy, Ellie, L, L, well, my pocket smell. I don't know what the hell. And he's like, yeah, you good for one bar. After one bar, you fall apart. I'm like, but he'll sit down like, oh man, there's the fall apart right there.

You're a funny dude. But you are passionate about it. And then you are passionate about it. you started a hip hop evolution which i think was really cool i gotta i gotta check that out i was approached by a buddy mine who was thinking about doing a documentary on hip hop and then i was like yeah hell yeah i want to be involved one of the best shows i saw was dala tribe and souls of mischief at the paladium and like in the you know it's funny 90s early 90s that was a show that my mom wouldn't let me go to really i saw dela and tribe in toronto at a place called the palatian oh really amazing souls wasn't on it though that was the best era my son's into it now and all I hear in his room is, oh, shit.

Far side. Oh, shit. He's like going to Far Side. What? First time ever got booed off stage, opening for the Far Side. Really? In 1993 for the, for the Bizarre Ride album. How many times have you got booed on?

Three. Like, definite booze, three. Big, like boot off. Opening for Far Side, doing a show at the Bronx Barbecue at 1.30 in the morning on a Saturday night. That's inevitable. Great time slot. And then one time in England. But it was more like some guy started booing me.

Half the audience was booing me. Half the audience was telling them to shut up. And then a fight broke out. But as far as I'm concerned, it was still getting moved off. I don't know how you do it. In the 90s, yeah, yeah. Do you, Clayton, do you sit there and watch your brother and sometimes just, like, do you have anxiety when he's performing? I have had anxiety.

Yeah. You know what it's like? It's like that movie The Fighter with Christian Bale. And I remember I went to see that movie And I came out of there And I was sobbing at the end of that movie Just completely bawling My wife's like, what's wrong with you?

She goes, I go, it's just like me and my brother Because you know at the end, he's like cheering his brother on In the fight and everything I think it's Mark Wahlberg Yeah, right? And Christian. Yeah, and it's like That was a Mickey Ward movie, right?

Yeah, sorry? A Mickey Ward movie. Yeah, right? And I came out of there and I go, it's exactly the same thing. So I'm sitting there and there's times when I want to be able to communicate with him when he's on stage

And there's times I'm like, all right, that's enough. Enough with the chick in the black shirt. Enough with the chick in the black shirt. Enough with the boxing story. Enough with the boxing story in the back. I'm like, but. Do you ever do that? Do you ever kind of like, do you ever see Clay?

No, I can't do it because that'll just throw him off. It'll throw him right off. And I know that. So I just got to kind of, you know, bite my finger in the back. And then when he's really riffing and doing great, I'm sitting there with a big smile on my face. But there's a lot. It waffles between the two. There's times you're just like, right that's enough with that let's go let's go let's go right well you've always been his protector

i mean when i've the when we're uh in the book reading about that which is so nice to hear because it reminds me of how i was with kate and you're only three years old are such an asshole you're like the worst like the opposite no no no she didn't want me to be though i mean she didn't need me to be what she didn't need me to be but no it's the opposite you're the baby you're the baby i'm middle he's he's the first i'm middle Boston's middle, and Wyatt is the baby. But let's go back, because I want to get the story from childhood growing up together because you grew up actually in India.

Well, I was born in India. I was born in Calcutta. My brother's a refugee. How do you spell? That's what I tell people. I came over in a white van from India in the back of a van. But how do you pronounce the place your parents are from? Calcutta.

Is it Calcutta? No, I thought of it. There's three places. Oh, Baranpur. Baranpur. Yeah. See? That's where my dad's from.

Okay, that's right. He was born in Bombay, moved to Baranpur where he was raised by wolves. And then he moved to the big city of Calcutta. Okay. Which literally was a big. It was the biggest city in India at the time. Oh, yeah. And then.

You were born there. And then I was born. And we left there when I was 10 months old. Right. It was his choice. So you don't remember living in India. No, not at all. His decision, though, at 10 months.

There were no opportunities for Anglo-Indians at that time. But the Canadian government said you can come here, but you cannot have your baby here, right? So your mom had to have you had to... I think, yeah, she couldn't fly when she was pregnant and things like that. She had to have the baby there before they could, yeah, exactly. Before they accepted everyone into the country of Canada. Yeah, and then six years later, he came along. Ruined his life.

But yeah. So, and so you were in Ontario, Toronto. Yeah, we went straight to Toronto. Okay. Dad actually wanted to go to England, but my mom. Mom hated England because she'd seen David Copperfield or something like that as a child. And it was rainy and foggy and things like that. Oh, she was right.

The movie, not the actual bad. Not the comedian. No, no. Good move. Good move by mom. Yeah. So why not the States? You know what?

It was 1965. So things in the States were pretty unsettled. And our dad was actually pretty dark. And so a lot of times he was mistaken for being black. And our mom was very fair. So, and he was very keenly aware of the civil rights. movement and he was very he was very social minded socially minded he was like he was a big follower of like he used to follow jack johnson and he knew about malcolm x and martin luther

king and he paul robson was one of his one of his biggest heroes because he was also paul robson was a big union leader and very socialist and things like that which i know these days and he got a university degree back then i love what he said about what you wrote about in the book which I'm sure you read and had a part of as well as the, I was going to say, the ghost writer over here. No, we would drive, I would dictate, he would record and he would write it down. Oh, that's so great. But when you're talking about your dad as like being the kind of person

always said to question authority and never to like look at the status quo, you know. Yeah, he was really big on that. Yeah, which I just, what an amazing, you know, way to grow up to think outside of the. Yeah, he really, he was. really anti-authoritarian. Which drives our mom nuts, I think. Yeah, because she's really into authority. He's like, oh, the doctor told me to do this.

That's what they said. It's what they told us to do. Really? And I'm an atheist now, so she's like, oh, well, you don't believe anything. I go, I just need facts. That's what they need? But let me answer your question. What about your intuition? What does your intuition tell you anything about spirituality? Not necessarily religion, because religion is conceived, I think. Yeah, very much. I'm just talking about your intuition as a human to say, hmm, I just,

feel like maybe there's something you can have feelings definitely and do you have do you have but do you have an intuition one way you are a little bit spiritual i was going to say you are spiritual i'm mildly but the way you talked about your father yeah leads me well i do have this yeah leads me to believe i do have a weird spiritual thing where i that you are very spiritual i have a theory um if there was to be one that the people that love you when they're alive when they die they stay in your life in a spiritual way. So there's not some random person out there. It's like the people that knew you. And they will sort of somehow whatever they can do to look out where they will. Like a month after my dad passed away, I was in Mexico on a cruise ship working doing comedy. And we got the Cozumel and I decided

to rent a scooter. And I, because I'd been to Cozumel before, I'm like, I'm bored here. So I'm supposed to rent the scooter. It's right here off the ship. Let's rent the scooter. So I rent the scooter and I start driving down the street. And in Mexico, they got those big square speed bumps they're like fucking blocks in the middle of the road and I'm like oh shit oh shit oh shit so I hit the brake and the brakes weren't very good I go oh hell no I'm going back I'm going back

so I hit the bump I go over and I'm like I'm going back and then I took this turn to go to come to do a U turn to come like a big round the block kind of thing to go back to the ship and I take the first time but I realize I'd only drove a motorcycle once before so I know how to turn on those but on the scooter

I didn't know you can't lean so I take the first turn and it's wobbly I'm like oh shit oh shit and all I can hear is my dad when he was alive saying I never want you to ride a two-wheeled motorized vehicle ever never I don't want you to ever do this and there I am a month after he passed away

riding this two-wheel motorized vehicle so I take the first turn it's wobbly and take the second turn it's wobbly and then the third turn which would lead me back to the main road really wobbly and I hit the gravel and I wiped out and I just slid

and I'm like fuck I get up my blood squirting out of my hand There's a big old pepperoni size rash on my hand On the other hand Knees are burnt up And I didn't have my helmet on Oh god, it's all horrible

And I'm just like fuck And I get up And the dust clears And I look and there's I fall in, I wiped out right in front of Pharmacia Like had I got Had I not wiped out

I would have gone to that intersection And possibly got hit by a truck Yeah Right And then so that's what made me go I think my dad just knocked me off the scooter Yeah Because if I had gone there, I would have got killed.

And then he knocked me off and I wiped out right in front of a pharmacy. I'm like, that was my sort of spiritual side there. But that was right after he died. But still, what about when you go on the stage, you talk to him? I try a little what's up, you know? I try my little what's up with him. And if I don't get the goosebumps, I'm like, where the fuck are you? Where are you with religion?

Well, I was raised, I was actually raised way more Catholic than he was. And my knowledge of the Bible is actually not bad. Mine was pretty good at one point. Yeah. And I went to Catholic schools longer than he. he did. So I was a little bit more Catholic, but I'm conflicted about it myself. You are. I am. So you grew up, you're in Toronto. What part of Toronto are you from? Brampton. Brampton. How many years apart are you? Six. We moved to Toronto first. When they first came

to Canada, they moved to Toronto and they moved all over the city. They stayed in Toronto about 10 years. 10 years. So 75, then they moved to Brampton. So you were in Toronto? I was born. When he was born, were you, were you excited to have a brother? Was it sort of like, remember? I do. I do. We lived actually on Indian Road of all things. Amazing. Which is right off Russell Road. That's right. Is it really? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So tell us about when Russell was born. Well, when he was born. I was pretty excited, actually. So I've always been a little bit big brotherly and paternal. The six years really made a difference. And yeah, I've looked after him ever since he was born. I can't, I can't think of a time when I wasn't. I was

when he wasn't sort of the focus of everything. Do you remember the first time you saw him? No. What was that dynamic when you guys were kids? Well, we were working class. First of all, we were working class Indians. Or working class, we were working class Indian family, which is kind of unusual because most of the South Asians

that have come are professionals, doctors, engineers, accountants run factories or own manufacturing. Not on Grey's Anatomy. No. Remember? It's in your book. Remember that? Remember you wrote that?

I did. What did I say? What did I say? He said in Grey's Anatomy, there's no Indian doctor. Oh, yeah, that sucks, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, when it first came on, there were none.

Yeah. Bullshit. All right, go on. So as a result of which, both our parents worked. So we were latchkey kids. Okay, right. So I was really just responsible for him from the get-go, right? Yeah, he would take me on the bus to school to kindergarten.

And he was, what, in sixth grade or fifth grade or something? I was in grade four. Yeah, it was in grade four. Or they say fourth grade here. We say grade four in Canada. Yeah. And in English. And we'd get on the bus.

I didn't know when he did. different. So it was like just normal. My brother would take me to school. We'd go to public transit. We're going the same place. And we would stop, sometimes we'd stop at jumbo burger on the way home. And he'd feel he'd be. I don't know where he got the money from. So he has been taking care of you. He was like 10 years old. He was taking me to burger joints. I don't know how he had the money. You've been taking care of your brother his whole life. Yeah. And you still are. Yeah. And I can't shake that. So sometimes we'll get into like little tiffs and things like that or he'll get mad at me for being too

aggressive or too protective, or not even for being protective, but it's, it's an instinct that I can't override. It's just, it's there all the time. Sometimes it's more like, hey, can you think like the manager or not my brother for a second? Right. And that's hard. But what do you mean aggressive when you say too aggressive? Well, you know, I protect him aggressively. It's like, it's like being a lawyer. You know, you protect your client as aggressively as possible, right? And so I see that as sort of, twofold. One is a manager and one is a big brother. Right. And it's not because I don't think he can look after himself or anything. It's just an instinctive thing.

And I fight against it a lot. I'm like, no, I need to back down. I need to, I need to chill out. Yeah, like sometimes my brother will, I'll say something, blah, blah, blah, so and he'll like, no, fuck that guy. And I'm like, what do you mean, fuck that guy? Don't take it personally. Just call the fucking guy and try to sort the deal out.

Yeah. No, fuck them. They're trying to take advantage of you. They're not trying to take advantage of me. Would you just talk to them and maybe you can make something work? Did you just by default take care of your brother forever and ever? Was it decided that, like, you were going to be his man? manager it just it's no you know what when I started um when money opportunity started showing up

and I had kind of an incompetent guy running me at that time it was a good guy he just he was a good guy he was a good guy and he was starting to make me good money and well he wasn't the game just started to change for me and he wasn't thinking strategically enough and he wasn't thinking far ahead enough and my brother was like why don't they do this and why don't they do that and I go well why don't you work for me yeah and then at first I didn't know I don't know how to get it of that guy right I said, do you want to be my assistant? I don't be your fucking assistant. I'm like, okay, I'm just asking.

I don't know what to offer you. I've actually run companies for people. And he's like, oh, you want to be my assistant? I'm like, yeah, I don't think so. You were working. Oil and gas. That's right. Yeah, oil and gas pipelines.

That's actually where I met my wife too. Really? Yeah. But I was a corporate guy. Were you making dough? I was doing okay. But at that time, it was actually really funny because 2005, four and five were really tricky years for us. Our dad was deep into his cancer and went for treatment. Well, 2004. Yeah.

Right. But then 2003 leading up to that was a very tricky time for us in that we lived together. We owned a house together. And our dad was going through cancer treatment. And he had turned down a bunch of shows. Oh, no. Yeah. 2003. I was supposed to shoot a movie in New York. And like the day I was supposed to leave, they called me and go, the money didn't come in. We didn't get funded for movie and I go I'm supposed to be there for like a month and a half I don't have work for the next month and a half and I I was already broke at the time I'm like the fuck am I going to do and then like he had he had to cover for me because we ran the house together he literally covered for me for a month for like the next three months actually went on for that whole year yeah so 2003 we it it actually went for the whole year because he was scrambling to pick up gigs

we were scrambling to pick up gigs our dad was going through cancer treatment we had our gas turned off twice that year in the townhouse that we owned because I was covering mortgage taxes all the utilities cars his car my car trying to help mom and dad so I was doing okay but I wasn't doing that okay and then dad passed in March of 2004 let's talk about your dad for a second because you talk about him a lot in the book and it sounds like he was such a huge like huge influence on both of you yes in different ways in different Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.

And you share that with me. Well, no, I mean, if you were to split my dad down the middle, my brother got half of him and I got half of him. So my brother got like the thinker, able to sit down and focus and write and verbalize and stuff like that. And I got the more of the, I guess, the willingness to fight people and the boxing. Feistiness. Yeah, and more of a.

Restless and the restlessness. Do you still feel that he is present? Not as much. When did he pass away? 15 years ago. So it's been a minute. Do you think about him every day? A lot.

Yes. Especially now that I got a new kid. It's like, what do I'm asking him? What the fuck do I do now? What I mean? What do I do with this kid? I mean, you know. Well, now you've got a son.

So that changes that whole dynamic. Yeah, because you know what it's like to be a, well, a son and a father. I know how to be a daddy. Yeah. I don't know how to be a father now. I don't know how to be a father now. You're a daddy to a daughter. but you're a father to a son.

Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know how to switch between the two. Your father to your child. What was your relationship like to your mom and your dad? How you would see it compared to as how it would be for Russell? Well, I think I saw my dad more through some of his angry years where he couldn't. But when he came to Canada, he wanted to be a writer. He wanted to be a journalist.

And then he studied to be a journalist. He went to school there. And then he went, he had this job opportunity. And they took one look at him. And they said, yeah, no, the position. position's been filled and that that completely gutted him and and and as a result of which he's an amazing writer he was a great writer and he was he was a great thinker and he was very political i mean he was very you know he was very left-wing socialist pro-union pro-civil rights uh anti-authoritarian um and so i

tended to see him through some of those angry years where he was frustrated and bitter and um and and just generally unhappy but he was too small to have even clued into to that at that time. So I was much more aware of that. And so I carried that all through his life because I always remembered that that was a really key part of him. And even we've talked about it. And he says, you know, I don't remember dad like that.

I only knew him as like, he was always very loving with me. But I was also much, I was far different than he was growing up. I was very outgoing and very affectionate. And he was very, put this way, he read comic books and I didn't. You know what I mean? Like, so people that read comic books. are into that other world of trying to find some escapism. And I just wanted to go to the park and play with people.

Well, I guess the escapism comes from, you know, we moved every year. I changed schools every year. So I went to a different school. I can name off all these schools from kindergarten to, as you guys say, first grade, second grade, every year I changed schools. There was only one time in there where it was like grade four and five at the same school, but we'd still moved within that year. And we lived in some not particularly fancy or nice places, you know,

sort of naked light bulb hanging from the ceiling, sleeping on a mattress in the living room because it was one bedroom apartment type of thing, which didn't really phase me too much. I knew it wasn't great, right? So when we finally did sort of settle down, we moved to Brampton, and we started to sort of established routes and we moved into a townhouse. And at that point, you would have been five, five, right? So things started to stabilize at that point. So he knew a different version of life.

and he started school then and so he went to the same school all the way from grade one to grade six. From senior kindergarten all the way to grade six he went in one school whereas I changed schools every year so I knew a more nomadic lifestyle and I knew more of the harder

times than he knew. Yeah I was in that one school for nine years. Yeah from kindergarten to eighth grade and so as a result of that I tended to internalize more because I was a new kid in school every year. Right? So for me it was about sort of as I say, just being hand solo.

I was alone. And were you a good student? I was not a good student. Oh, interestingly enough. And were you a good student? Because you're ADD. Oh, horrible. Oh, so you weren't a good student.

I could say, I mean, I could, I mean, I could tell you that he wasn't a whole. I was absorbing everything. I mean, come on. I absorbed everything, but I couldn't, I just couldn't focus in the classroom. It wasn't ADD. It was just boredom. Yeah. And I couldn't understand.

And I couldn't understand how all the kids knew each other every year. Yeah. No, because I was a new kid every time. I didn't know how to teach you. It's kind of like, here's what it is. And if you can't learn it this way, you're an idiot. So let's talk about Mama for a second. Oh, jeez.

I got to lie down and talk about this. But you'd skip Russell on his perspective on his father. I don't care. Here's the thing. With my dad, my dad was my hero. And there was nothing he could do wrong. And like everything he did I watched. And like he would go to the mall, I would go with him.

I'm going grocery shop. I'm going with you. I would carry the groceries. I'd do whatever the fun. he wanted me to do because i just wanted to be close to my dad yeah that's why you love boxing you got into boxing because my dad used to box in india and then i would get bullied and then he would come out and save my ass every time and i would get beat up in the park he would never have to do anything because everybody was scared of him he meaning me yeah yeah my brother yeah my brother would come out

and he was my brother was in a bodybuilding back then oh wow seems to have gone another way lately but i mean you know gravity is a motherfucker but i mean gravity's a bitch bodybuilding yeah but some of those He used to have like all these bodybuilding magazines in the house. Really? He was kind of badass in those. But pictures in the book. Oh, yeah. He always had style. And he always had like, he always knew what was going to be hot as opposed to what was hot.

I think the pictures in the book, these pictures in this book made me so happy. I can't even tell you. Well, now we're like, it's like we are like, it's like we're brothers, you know. And there's always that time when he's 18 and I'm 12. He doesn't want me to hang out with him. Oh, yeah, but was there that moment? He always took care of him. It wasn't shitty.

But wasn't it. ever like all right dude like that's enough get away it wasn't shitty it was more like hey discover girls yeah you're just like and you're that age you're a heat seeking messily you're just like I gotta yeah this is fantastic and he had a stash of porno magazines in his laundry hamper

in his room and he would like put like clothes on top of it and I knew the stash was there so I'd go and grab the magazines and have a look but the stash I stole from dad of course yeah well this is like a family this is a family situation it was a very sticky hand me down

Oh, yeah. Oh, I bet. And let's be honest, it's not only the boys who are circulating. You know, if you had a sister, there would still be circulating situations happening. See, I can't imagine growing up with a sister. I probably would be a different person if I grew up with a sister. You probably would. Yeah, I would probably have a different, I would approach women a completely different way. Well, no, you'd have a different perspective on women, for sure.

I would know what not to say to women. Actually, there's some statistics on this. Men who grow up with sisters have a far easier time approaching women. And my mom grew up with two brothers. So anything went as far as things that were said. Right. So for me, I was like, oh, you could talk to women just like you talk to guys, right? So for me, it was like, I say whatever.

And then I go, that's offensive. I go, I didn't mean any. What are you talking about? It's treating you like an equal. So you had a very paternal. I mean, you were, I mean, this was a, yeah, absolutely. That's the best way to describe. I remember being 17.

It was like my high school graduation. And it was on a boat in Lake Ontario. and my brother used to go to this club that was right where the board where the boat ported r pm yeah r pm i used to go there too but when it was all ages and then we ported and i remember going so my brother said come by and see me when you're done so i came by and it wasn't like oh my fucking kid brother's here was like hey man how was it and i go i was i remember it clicking going wait are we just talking like this now like i'm out of high school now and just like hey so how was it good i'm like yeah hey go have a good night and i'm like huh i'm in my head i remember going what just happened

And why's my brother being like a normal person with me? That's cool. What is your mom's personality like? Is she a strong mom? She's mental. She is strong. I have to give her that. She is strong, though.

Wrong and strong. Strong and strong. Wrong and strong. She's a Libra? No, your dad's a Libra. I'm a Libra. You're a Libra. Yeah.

And you're... Libra. Moms of Sagittarius. Three Libras. Yep. Mom's a sad. You're in Arias still. I'm in Arias.

My son's in Ares. Yeah. I did that for you. Thanks. and my daughter's a liber I think my wife's in Aries See? Your wife's in Aries?

I think so, yeah I'm loving this Here's the problem My mom's been afforded The luxury of being able To say whatever she wants And because her son is a famous comedian Everybody thinks that she's funny too

Ah, got it And she lives in Canada So whatever she says I'm like, ha ha ha She's so crazy, so wacky I see where you get it from And you're like No, that's definitely not where the fuck I got it from

I am and she sees me on stage saying things to people that are a little outrageous but I don't say it off stage I just say it on stage I have a microphone on my hand I'm trying to make you laugh

You're writing jokes Yeah so My mom will just say things And then try to cover it up When you get mad What would she like this when you were kids? No Well now here's the thing

She's completely different With his son than she is with my daughter Oh Now with my daughter Again like my mom grew up with boys and had boys so she only knows how to talk to men or boys in that way. So when it comes

to women or girls, she's completely naggy with her. Like everything my daughter does, she nags at. And my daughter's a really, really sweet girl. And she's just like, I don't understand what grandma's promise. Like, give me an example of a nag. I'll give you a phenomenal example.

My mom and my ex and my daughter were driving home from Vegas one time. And my daughter was just being really sweet and she said grandma when i get older i'm going to be a chef and a doctor so when you get sick i could take care of you and my mom goes i'll be dead by the time that happens and my daughter was like well no it's true it's true i won't be alive i'm like yeah but why do you got to say it like she's fucking six years old what are you doing to the kid what's wrong with you were your parents affectionate with each other yep always held hands i have pictures of them in two

2003, when we went to Niagara Falls, me, my mom and dad, and my then-girlfriend, and I got pictures of them holding hands and eating ice cream and stuff. And I have it on my laptop and I still look at them. Really? That's pretty great. They were good dancers. They were big on. They were really into music and dancing and they were good ballroom dancers.

When I say dancing, like Jive and my dad's favorite song was Bad, Bad Leroy Brown by Jim Crocey. But the first record he bought our mom was Moon River. Moon River. Yeah, right. And they would all listen to the platters and Glenn Miller. And the young spots. So do you look at your parents as a, is that your, do you feel like you have to live up to that kind of relationship? No, because they did fight a lot.

There was a big, pretty, pretty good fights too. There was a big intellectual gap between the two of them. So there were a lot of times, I couldn't understand how they were even together. Because like my dad was constantly, he read the paper from front to back and he was always, you know, he was. analyzing things. But that's my dad's side of the family. They're all thinkers, artists, chefs. Your dad sounds amazing.

Was your mom devastated when your dad passed away? I mean, I think she overplayed it a little bit. She was. She overplayed it over the years now. Yeah. She's gone through a number of different phases. So after he first passed, she went through this whole thing, especially with me, because that was also right when you were moving down here as well.

You moved down here about two years later. And so I was sort of carrying a lot of the water on it. And she's like, oh, I can't talk to you. You know, I said, I said, my, you need to talk to a woman of your age or just another woman in general. I said, if you come to me with problems about dad, like you can't talk to me about your relationship with dad or things like that. I can only offer you solutions as a man. And so she went through different phases where she was devastated and then she became really rebellious. She's like, I'm going to go to casinos every night because your father wouldn't let me go.

And your dad put me on an allowance. And then I started making money. so she was getting the allowance from me. So the money didn't matter anymore. The money was just going right into the slot machine. I was driving me nuts because I was like, seriously, ma. Would she just gamble? Yeah.

I was like, I'd rather you did hookers and blow. I mean, I don't need you. No, at least that's an experience that lasts longer than that. The inheritance is gone sometimes. The indigenous tribes of Ontario have taken all of it. And upstate New York. And upstate New York. Did your dad get to experience your success?

Not at the level. let it became, no. Do you, I mean, this is a stupid question. You know, my biggest regret for my father and myself is, people ask me, if there was one thing you do with your father, I would want to get drunk with him. Yeah. You never, you never did. I never drank until I was 31. Why?

I just didn't drink. It didn't occur to me. I still don't drink. Why? It hasn't occurred to me. It never took. You just get super baked? No, I don't smoke. I don't do anything. I'm really boring, actually. As you can tell. No, you don't have to be. Did your parents drink? No, my dad did.

your mom no not a not a drop do you get high no no no it's not my thing you're so you're pretty clean you're pretty straight I haven't drank in a long time how much are you writing I don't physically write anything you don't I get on stage and I spit and see what happens you do but you have concepts I have concepts but I uh a lot of times I just go up in freestyle and see what happens oh for real yeah like a lot of like a lot of rapper friends of mine would be like oh you you're like an emce up there i go but i can't rap worth of shit like i can't my voice is goofy

but wait a minute wait a nasally so so how do you do that without a prompt like you just just it's just it's it's it's do or die it's your a dd gift no i like that it's do or die though i like you're like i've spoken to you if i don't come up with something i look like an idiot i'm my ego is too high powered to let me look like an idiot yeah but russell if you're if you're backstage at the comedy store and you're about to you're thinking of the first thing No. I'm backstage at the comedy store. No, I'm backstage at the comedy store

and I'm looking at everybody. I'm going, he's a great writer. He's going to have great jokes. He's going to kill. What the fuck am I going to do? And then I listen and I listen and I listen. I used to box. Everything is boxing in my head.

So I'm like, that guy dropped the ball. That joke didn't hit. Okay, so they're not looking down that way. Or why didn't that hit? And I'm kind of peeking through the curtain. I'm like, okay, I think I know what I'm going to do. And then I get out there and I look for the weakest person in the audience, and I go right at them.

Then I start going to stronger, stronger, stronger people, stronger, stronger, stronger, so that I don't look like I'm here to pick on the weakest link. I'm here to get the big, I'm here to get the big fish, but I'm starting with you to let them know I'm going to get something, and then I work my way up from there. Now, do you feel like you have to fill your brain with, you know, everything that's going on in the world, pop culture, like always being on top of everything? Before the show did that. Everybody else is, you know, here's what's happened.

Did you hear about, blah, blah, blah, blah. From the beginning, you've never had written material. No, from the beginning I would write. I would literally, back in the day, I would write literally word for, if I was to say, um, I would write it down. Wow. I was like that anal about it. And then I think what happened was, one time I was at this club in Toronto, and I had my notes backstage in a binder in the green room. Not much of a green room, not even, not even, nowhere near the size of this room even.

And this comic was on the show, and he goes, what's the room? sad i go oh it's my notes i was all happy and i didn't you know i was excited like it's my notes and he was like can i look at him i go yeah please and he looked at him because this fucking shit you're not getting on my show and i go what i thought he was kidding i go serious he goes get the fuck out of here with this shit this trash and i was so hurt that i i stopped i think at that moment i stopped writing down everything i was going to did you actually not go up i didn't go up he was a dick he stopped me from going up it's tough out there it's a huge renaissance right now especially at the comedy store and a lot of the people like bobby and the other guys

that have been there constantly state before the renaissance probably resent a lot of the people hanging out there right now because they're like this is where I was before you you know and there's you know and I've always been floating in between all the clubs I've never been consistently hanging out in any of right because it's not my style yeah I like to be a person before I'd be anything else you know I mean do you ever just like show up and go do something at the comedy store the laugh factor or anything like that yeah yeah i'll just drop in yeah i got to do a spot tonight later on but so tonight you don't have anything prepared just gonna go up there and fucking wing it yeah yeah i love that i know it takes so much guts it's therapeutic because i talk about

so much shit on stage sometimes people like what do you he'll be like what are you doing go i said to get it out i get it out it's gone you know what i mean like that's great was your family open with feelings no do you do you say that you love each other like love you all the time we will never hang up without saying love you bye. Okay. Even if it's like I'm going to pick up and okay, love you bye. But do you say to him things like when you do that, this is how I feel? Sometimes, but my brother's very sensitive to that stuff.

Really? Yeah, we tend to return much more. Sometimes he doesn't take it the way I'm saying it. So I try not to say it because I'm like, I don't want him to misunderstand my motivation. Meaning you have an issue with him or you have something to say. Like if there's something, somebody will say something like blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I want to bring it up to him, but I don't want him to think I'm siding with that person. But at the same time, I want him to know that maybe this is something he's,

he could think about next time or work on. But I don't want to bring it up because I know he's like, well, fuck that person. Fuck you. And I'm, you know. Sounds like you're quite feisty yourself. I can't be. Only with me. Like, he'll get feisty with other people.

Other people are like, oh, I don't want to talk to your brother about this. And I'm like, well, what is it? And I'm like, well, you know, blah, blah. And I'm like, all right. Well, you know, he didn't really mean it like that. I try to like explain what he meant the way he said it. I think we have to look at some of the sources of these complaints. Well, no, again, but...

It's what we have to look at. We have to contextualize them. And I'll be like, I know when people come to me to try and suck up to me. And I'm like, eh, whatever, dude. Like, you know what I mean? But sometimes people say things and I'm like, okay, let me figure this out for you. Like, there's a huge disparity between, like, how he deals with things and how I deal with things. And that doesn't mean I'm right or he's right.

It means there's somewhere in the middle is the right answer. Do you deal with things more from an aggressive, angry standpoint? No, no. He's more cut and dry when it comes to that. Yeah, I'm more black and white, and I don't like to waste people's time. Like your dad. that a little bit? Maybe, yeah. If you guys could go 32,000 feet above your relationship, who would usually be the most practical and the one that you would go, okay, most of the time

you're right? It's tough to say. It's kind of a balance. It's actually a decent balance between the two of us. It's like he goes that way and I go that way and then somehow it bounces us out to the middle. As an artist and a comedian, he's about pleasing people. So he's a people pleaser and and the worst thing for him is to have somebody not like him right see that's a thing that's a terrible that's you know a therapist would say the worst thing that could happen to a child is for them to become a people here's the problem for me i was bullied a lot he was probably bullied too but i was a much smaller kid and far more sensitive to that stuff because i thought i was like i was a happy kid so i was like why the fuck you're mad at me i didn't do anything to you so i was bullied racially

bullied and because I was a little bit darker than him growing up too and I was always to be outside and all my friends are black I would just try to get black as fuck of them I was like I want to look like that so that way I can blend in better and so I would get bullied and called names from five years

old all the time so that affected me to the point where I didn't like myself so now that's why I think I didn't want a boy because if I'm like because I even say to people I go well if I don't like me what the fuck am I going to like him he's just another me there's a lot of stuff there

there's a lot of stuff there I'm aware of it but the problem is when you're aware of it it sounds like you're using that as an excuse so that's why people pay therapist to let them say it for you well that's not true that's not sure

no therapy's good I've suggested it to them as well do a lot of comics that you know suffer from depression or just feels like the path of a comic can be very complicated at times and that their you know a lot of their comedy comes from pain or comes from you know it really is their defense mechanism oh absolutely well how many friends

have you lost to suicide a lot a lot a lot a lot we was on the verge of losing one the other day so really it's fucking crazy right it's very current and then hanging around black guys my whole life a lot of them i lost to murder mm-hmm so I lost a lot of great friends to murder and then a lot lost a lot of friends to jail because they murdered so yeah I've lost a lot of people in my life so why do you think some of these comedians have so much struggle you know why Why do you think there's so much pain? It's kind of, I don't know, it's, it's, it's, you're, like, I'll give you Brody Stevens for an example.

You know Brody. Yeah. Brody just killed himself about a month and a two months ago. And it, it hurt everybody. But then Ian Edwards posted something that made me go, that's probably the right way to look at it. Ian Edwards posted and said, thanks for sticking around for as long as you did, because he wanted out a long time ago. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I think you. Just pain. I mean, it's just. Yeah, it's a lot of pain. And you're fighting through it all the time. But why is it comics? What's the link? We just want to make you happy.

We want to turn our pain into your happiness. And if all of a sudden I find myself happy, I need to create some pain in my life to maintain your happiness. That's interesting. Both can't be happy. He can't be happy and you happy. Yeah, we can't both be happy. I need to see you happy.

And that makes me happy. Yeah. Everything sounds. better in an English accent. Especially like if you're an announcer or if you're like trying to... But my English accent's not great. It's not very... Yeah, but we can practice.

Mine's not great either. I mean, first of all, if you're going to do an English accent... You've done an English accent in movies. I know, but I didn't think it was as good as I wish it was. I haven't done a movie. I would love to work on my English accent. That's for sure. Well, I'll try it.

If I want to do an English accent. Right. Everything does sound better. So if I'm going to, you know, we're going to talk about your products and, you know, doing ads that we do for our episodes. Right. So I thought it would be interesting if we did it in an English episode. Well, because the point of this is to sell, sell, sell. And if an English...

Well, no, we only want to share what we think is good. Of course. Right? I mean, like... Of course. Right. Like, for instance, this ad, the first ad that we're going to do today, is for a company that we both use. Oh, four-sigmatic. So, For Sigmaatic is a company, they do coffee, they do other drinks like turmeric lattes, or they do chai lattes, and they're these powder forms.

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I never I never had a good relationship but yeah see I thought she was great I was when I was actually close to her and I was a kid I was irritated by her a lot just her parenting style and then I realize now when I see her with my daughter I go holy fuck that's the person I didn't like either and then she wonders when my daughter doesn't react to her sometimes and I'm like

because you're doing the same shit you did to me just nag nag nag nag nag nag like dude can I just fucking breathe for a minute it's always like this but I never had that with her but did you nag me she always protected me did you see that how she was with him

I don't have that recollection of it. I really don't. I remember as a kid, I was very resentful. And because my mom was very fair-skinned and I was very dark-skinned. I always, and I dealt with so much racism outside the house, I would always come in the house. I remember saying things to my mom, like, because you're fucking white. I wouldn't say, because you're white, that's why. And I'm like, she's like, well, what do you think?

What do I mean? I'm white. I'm like, well, you're white and I'm not. And you're, you know, I just figured like it was just carried over to the house. So I looked at my mom, like, she was white. My dad was darker, so I related to him better. because he was experienced racism from white people. Yeah, outside the house.

That's why I hung around black people and think that, well, she's on me because she's racist as well. Wow. It really dug home for me at a very young age. That's pretty deep. All my friends were black growing up because I didn't have any problems with them. So growing up with the black kids, I was like, oh, thank God. Somebody's talking to me. They're going to get it worse, but I still got it worse because in Canada, the worst thing you could be in the 70s was an Indian person.

You were the lowest form of human species. the racism from England came over it was pretty bad yeah pretty bad pretty bad pretty bad what do you what do you feel like it's like today it's completely on its head now but i mean still there do you but it's not it's definitely not as overt as it used to be but do you experience racism i don't personally i mean i'm sure i do on a different level but can i'm i'm i'm sort of aware we can see it when we walk into a room yeah you know what you know where it is and now with sort of the political situation globally in north america there's a swing to right. So you're seeing certain people feeling empowered. Yeah. And, and there was a sort of a spade of

attacks in southern Ontario where I live recently or over the last 12 months. So now I, you know, I keep certain things in my car just because they, they're literally attacking like South Asian people in parking lots and things like that. It's not, it's sort of died down now, but there is, there was a big right wing sort of empowerment of anti-immigrant, anti-refugee, you know, that type the thing that started last year. It's died down quite a bit now. We haven't seen the same attacks. But I'm very much aware of it.

Have you experienced anything like that recently at all? I train jih Tzu three times a week. And I'm a blue belt with two stripes. So I'm like, do you really? Yeah, I do. So in my head, I'm like, please go for it. I fucking dare you too. I'll put you to sleep really quickly.

I won't even hurt you. I'll put you to sleep and lay you down and I'll walk away. That's all I want to do. Just to let you know, don't fucking just do shit. even when you're on the road you don't get shit no not really I mean if I do I pretty much handle it

but our dad our dad taught us not to take any shit that was his big thing my dad was a really little guy yeah he was small he was five what was five four five five five at the most five maybe five five it's tallest if you could describe each other in like two sentences

I want you guys to describe each other's personality Clayton for us two sentences so he can think about yeah he's he's quicker okay so since you're two sentences my big brother my protector my always and i don't mean panty letter sometimes except for with wings why are there wings just in case the blood is hurt interrupting sorry sorry um got a lot of commas here a lot of commas there's a lot of commas um

protector my protector my big brother my always my wings with wings um my constant that's one sentence i love it i don't know why do i need a second that's amazing i don't need a second he's my little brother and uh that kind of sums everything up he's just my little brother i'll tell you i can't do it in two sentences but i'll tell you i'll tell you a quick anecdote is on our father's deathbed he said make sure you look after your brother. And so everything that's happened since then has been to honor that request to make sure I look after my brother. So whenever he does something that I can't control or I feel he's going in the wrong direction, I feel like somehow I've let him down or I've let our father down. So for me, it's always been about looking after my little brother. And you know how he said

about being the protector. I always feel safe when I'm with my brother. Okay, so you've let him take care of you too. Yes. Okay. Oh, that's amazing. Gee. I mean, that's one way I'm looking at it.

If you could tell your brother. I can, he's right there. Okay, this is true. The something that you wish, not to change about him that you wish he could have, something that in his life that you could say, God, I just wish you could do this and you would be this. You know what I mean? Like, if you could just open up, if you could just get rid of your anger, if you can just be this. Yes. That? All that. Thanks for asking an answer. I can say, good. So what would it be? They just thought,

I think. Yeah, I think they did it. Fuck. Yeah, lose the anger. No, not the anger. I just wish, I wish my brother would have the a slightly more carefree attitude he's very practical and thinks about the future which is normal and nice but at the same time live a little bit

yeah like I literally have to convince him to do certain things like he just got a new car and I was like please get the big engine please don't get the fucking wimpy one you got the windby engine I don't think it did no I didn't I got the big one okay good it's still a Volvo but the last it's still a Volvo

volvos are tough though so for your bro for my brother to lose the the need to be liked by everyone and perhaps the insecurity that comes with that of having to have everybody be on side.

I can still relate to this. To have everyone be on side and to have to impress other people and things like that to just relax. As much as he's telling me to relax, I'm also saying to him at the same time just to relax and enjoy it. Where is, middle ground is, it's amazing.

Yeah. I think I've subsequently, as I'm getting older, and, you know, this is my 30th year of doing stand-up. So at this point, I'm like, you know what, I've put in enough time. And if you like me or don't like me, at this point, I'm starting to not give a shit if you like me or don't like me anymore. And that's kind of a very relieving feeling. Right. It's liberating. But you, to an certain extent, Hardy, have it.

You're a comic. If I, in my normal life, tell a joke that doesn't go over or whatever, it's a horrifying feeling. Who would your parents would say It was the most athletic Oh, he is Really? Absolutely. Even if you being a bodybuilder?

Yeah, but I boxed from 15 years old onwards. My dad would say really rude things to him. Yeah. My dad would say really mean things to him sometimes. Clayton, I can hear you lumbering around like a bloody elephant up there. Like that kind of thing. I can hear you a brother of the elephant running around upstairs. They were closer in disposition that way too.

Really? Because I was, again, I thought it was hilarious. I was more insular and just kept to myself. so do you feel like from your perspective that you were just as much as a father to him as your father i would yeah i would say that yeah and our dad was working shift work and uh and he was working into his 70s he's working into his 70s he lost he needed money yeah he lost all his money and the bad that bad deal and that was his best friend right who basically robbed him was my godfather that's so fucked up yeah what a scumbus where's that guy now he's still a lot of that cocks

around that's that's the thing evil fucking doesn't die wow but how does something like that go down and and and there would be no retribution you know what i mean like how does that not get taken care of it just happens i mean they took the money and then our my dad and our family were on the hook for it and other people were on the hook for the outstanding mortgages on those investment properties and things like that and so if you talk about one of the reasons that i'm not so carefree because i also internalized that right so I also carried that with me as well so it's like well that's what happened to dad I don't want that to happen to me

how long was it you guys did not speak for a while oh really you went through a period where you did not talk to each other I was been around 11 12 years ago and you you almost broke ways as as manager client I don't even remember what triggered it because I take the negative things especially with my brother and I block them right out of my head because I'm like

Like, well, why do I need to hang on to that shit for when I have a great brother in front of me right now? What am I going to linger on in the bad shit? It was part of that transition phase of going, and he put it most succinctly, of we knew how to be brothers, but not how to be manager client. We didn't understand that dynamic at that time. All right. Which one of you is better in a stressful situation? I don't know. It's a tough one.

It depends on what the stress is. It really does. Depends what the catalyst is. Okay. There's some things where I will. It's the appell. It's the apocalypse. It's the road.

That movie freaked me right out. Yeah. It's like the, the world's ending? Like Yellowstone has exploded. I'd probably be okay. Yellowstone has exploded. We are about to go down.

I think, I think, actually, I think we're probably both similar there that we'd both be okay. It's like we just kind of pragmatic about it. I'd be more concerned about calming down my daughter. I'm concerned that Yellowstone has exploded. He'd be concerned about, like, food. Well, Yellowstone exploded.

Like, there's so much. many different, there's so many other ways the apocalypse can happen other than Yellowstone. I like how American is. You obviously don't know anything about Yellowstone. Of course I do. What? Just Yellowstone, but there's so many different park. Nothing about Yellowstone. Yeah, there's so many this is a big world. It's a volcano.

I know. First woman you remember having a crush on. In real life, one, celebrity. I think that would have been Olivia Newton John in Greece. I had a poster, the poster for Greece on my wall, and nobody knew this, but I would make out with Olivia Newton John's picture every night and I was eight years old. Wow.

Mine was Nicole Eggert from Charles in charge. I think her name was Charlene Tilton. I remember Charlene Tilton in Dallas. Yeah, and she was in the James Bond movie too. She was a skater, and I was just completely, wow. Let me tell you something. Just first of all, to be respectful, I left your mom out of this. I did have a big crush on your mom.

You did? Huge. Wow. Wildcats. Huge. Wildcats. Private Benjamin. Overboard.

That bothered me overboard because I knew that she was with your dad. At that time, I was like, what fuck is? She's cheating on me or him. What's a talent you wish you had? Play drums. You don't play drums? I don't play drums. I wish I could play drums.

Beatles or Rolling Stones? Rolling Stones. I hate the Beatles. What? Can you change it to Beatles or Led Zeppelin? Because I fucking love Led Zeppelin. What about Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin? Led Zeppelin all day every day.

Yeah, me too. Zeppelin. How could you hate the Beatles? I fucking can't stand the Beatles. Why? You want to hear irony? I like the wings. Yeah, you do.

It's just wings. It's fine, but not the wings. It's just wings. I don't mind the wings. The Beatles irritate the shit out of me. What would you classify as your favorite hip-hop album of all time? Favorite hip-hop album of all time would be, it has to be something to listen to back to front.

I would say the infamous. Really? Mob deep? Yeah. Really? Our second album, the infamous. Really? From front to back.

I wouldn't have guessed that. The low-end theory. That's the bad. I was going to say, I was going to say tribe or... Illmatic. Or Three Feet High and Rising. Yeah. I was going to say tribe or Dela.

Illmatic for me is the perfect album. Really? I want to hear an interesting fact? Love it so much. I preferred it was written. No. I love Illmatic, but I preferred it was written. Wow.

I mean, I love it was written. Do you ever freestyle? I do it in the car with my daughter on any music that's playing, and I change the lyrics to fit whatever's happening in the car at that moment and she loves it i want to say thank you to both of you guys for coming in this has been awesome it's been lovely meeting you lovely seeing you again and i the one thing we like to leave with would be if you could give a piece of advice to siblings out there that are having a hard time getting along or in a moment of crisis and not connecting with each other what would that piece of advice be to that person?

Just love each other. That's it. You've only got each other. Your parents are going to be gone one day and that's it. Just love each other. That's all. That's all you can do. I mean, that's all we got.

I mean, it's true. Everyone else will go away, but you'll still have Oliver and you. Also, at the same time, when I do certain things, I think in my head will my brother think this is cool? Of course. Like, a lot of times when I'm making these decisions, He's like, will he dig this? If he likes it, then it's got to be good.

And I'm aware that I'm also the voice in his head. So I'm also very cautious about criticism and being too hard on him. So I'll internalize a lot of stuff because much the same way that he's protecting my feelings, I'm protecting his feelings as well because I also know that. He sort of steers this ship. He knows if he goes, you know, that's going to be good and I'll kind of go that way. He'll rebel. He can be rebellious.

But at the same time, I'm very much aware. I'm rebellious to a lot of things, but not him as much. I'm aware that I am the voice in his head. So that is a powerful position to be for somebody. And so you have to be careful with your words. Be careful what you say. You guys have a really interesting, cool dynamic. You guys are the best.

This is awesome. This is awesome. Thank you, guys. Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim Sarnah. Supervising producer is Alison Bresnick. Editor is Josh Windish. Music by Mark Hudson, aka Uncle Mark. I'm Jorge Ramos.

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