Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Sara and Erin Foster

Episode Date: December 11, 2019

Kate and Oliver are joined by Sara and Erin Foster on this week’s episode of “Sibling Revelry.” They open up about their childhood and multiple step-siblings, and share how they ended up working together, despite not getting along when they were younger. Sara and Oliver look back at their non-date, and Erin explains why she escaped to boarding school in Switzerland. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Away.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory That's good Sarah

And Aaron Oh, Foster That's a terrible Foster No, this is more like Sarah Aaron Aaron

No time is a good time for a podcast So today's episode was really interesting Because we had on our close friends Well really my close friends You're sort of like the older brother of my close friends Right, the older attractive brother who, right, you know And it was Sarah and Aaron Foster It's fun because

A lot of people are looking forward to this. We've gotten a lot of people writing in going, when are you going to do the foster sisters? And it's fun for me because obviously when you grow up with someone and you've known them for so long, it's really fun to see people really love what they're doing. They think they're hilarious. They relate to them.

You said, they think they're hilarious. Yeah, they do. They think they're hilarious. Oh, the fans think that they're hilarious. The fans think that they're hilarious. I thought you were saying that, Aaron and Sarah think. But that's hilarious.

Yeah. They've been our number one request, I think. I mean, as far as reading the comments and stuff, people are sort of asking, well, what about Sarah and Aaron Foster, you know? Yeah. And it really doesn't disappoint. I mean, they're really candid. I really appreciate that about them, too.

I mean, they just say what's on their mind. But what's nice is just, you know, know people do know them from barely famous and their Instagram accounts, but I do think that knowing them, we were able to sort of maybe get into some things that a lot of people who've seen them and think that they know them don't. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. I was just kind of, I knew all of it. So I just, I don't think I said much the whole podcast. I can't even remember it. It was sort of a blur. I mean, it was really like sitting with, I mean, it really actually was, sitting with your friends and there was a lot of history.

We laughed a lot. I felt like Sarah was super self-deprecating in a good way and not in like a negative way, not sort of, but she owned a lot of things about herself that I appreciated. And Aaron, it's really fun to talk with Aaron about her journey because she really was kind of a black shape a little bit of the family just in terms of the kind of person she was and the kinds of things she was interested in and stand-up comedy and she wanted to get out, you know, she wanted to like. She wanted to sort of move away from. She didn't feel really like she belonged. Well, and, I mean, they had not a great relationship when they were growing up. Yeah, I know. You know, they're so tight now. But it wasn't even like not a great relationship. She just

wasn't around. Like Sarah lives at our house. She was disinterested in Aaron, Sarah. Completely. Completely disinterested. it wasn't even like love or hate she just right it was just I don't know like you're not on my level you are not on my plane who are you go play a clarinet or do something talk about a relationship that has completely defined who one of them is for Aaron you know yeah Sarah is I still I mean I'm still trying to figure out what oh yeah what's defined Sarah who knows but but you know what's great about Sarah is she's open and self deprecating and candid

Yes, and funny and hilarious. Really, really funny. I think the older they get, the more their sense of humor is just honed in. And I'm the one that got away for Sarah. I just want to put that out there. Because she's very beautiful and I just, you know, I want people to know. She gets more beautiful as she gets older too. I know.

It's weird. So she's got good genes, both those girls. Anyway, it was a blast. And even though we do talk all the time, we don't. We don't talk about the dynamics of the childhood, like their child. childhood like we did in this one and um yeah we got another step siblings which they have a lot of and we laugh so hard it was so fun the relationship with their dad which is obviously extremely complicated but again it's so can they're so candid about it it's it's refreshing it's very open

it's very refreshing and david's very open these days to you i think you just get to a certain point in your life where there's nothing to hide they're close family they love each other they're not perfect yeah and as they get older they're getting even closer I think this is the first time you actually really got to know Aaron because you never got to know her like that that was one of the things you said after the interview was oh my God I like love Aaron I never got to know her like that before you know yeah for sure

Aaron's super sharp very anyway well I love these girls I know you're going to love these girls if you don't already and here's Sarah and Aaron Foster. What, what? Welcome Sarah and Aaron Foster to our podcast. Have we officially started? There's no formula to how we do this.

We just started talking. We started 10 minutes ago in the kitchen. You just had no idea. That's like one of the interviews where you don't even know you're already being interviewed when you're being difficult when you walk in the door. Right. And then they're like, thank you.

And then that's the end of it. This is really fun because normally we go through all this research and Allison like puts together these packets of like everybody were doing and she sent over these packets and I was like Allison sent over packets of us and then I decided not to look at it because I was like I'm going to start looking at it while we're here together oh you want to learn about us as you read I just read a piece that you went to Switzerland oh I went to boarding school I didn't I didn't know that I had no idea well that's because we didn't really know Aaron for till like a couple years ago listen here's what

that's true actually is that Sarah and I met when I was about 23 around the time I got a nose job and became acceptable socially for you guys and there was a turning point where everyone was willing to acknowledge that I existed and it was in my mid-20s and I had already suffered you know many years until then and that's why I'm to be fair I did bring you around early on but just no one gravitated towards you so it was like I tested it The funny thing about Sarah when I was younger is that she used to be like, okay, I'm going to bring you to so-and-so's house, you know, whoever that was at the time, Ben Affleck, Kobe,

Leo, Jen, whoever. And she'd be like, but if you blush, I will kill you. And I'd be like, what? Because I used to have like a severe blushing problem and I would turn bright red, whatever they go. And I still do have a blushing problem. Yeah, you still do go red. I fully still have a blushing problem.

It's like lobster. Yeah, it's, well, it's also, I love when Aaron. that's cute though it is and when she needs to confront something that like matters to her it starts to turn a different shade of red is it splotchy gross or cute red it's not cute at all it's like my ears are red my chest is red my arms are red it's a once all over heat of red it's very matte red is it but there's no blotchy there's no like little white blotches no no white it's matt okay no it's as if i'm choking basically and it but it happens less often now than it did 15 years ago

when I was always uncomfortable or embarrassed if I would like, somebody said hi to me, I'd be like, and I would just turn bright red and like panic. It was more around celebrities. You were really uncomfortable around. I'm still uncomfortable around celebrities. I'm kidding.

So we usually start this by going from the beginning. Like let's give some people some color of your background. First of all, do you know where you were conceived? No, I think your parents, when you're a young kid, your parents have to speak to each other in order to share stories with you like this. And so they never referred to. two having known each other.

It was probably in L.A. or Canada. Probably one of the two. So we all grew up together. Well, the three of us. Aaron came in later. Yeah. Sarah and I were besties since we were really young teenagers.

Yep, high school. And then you grew up Malibu kids, right? Always in Malibu? No, Calabasas. Malibu, then the parents got divorced. Our mom wanted to move away as far away from dad as possible. When did your parents get divorced?

She wasn't like trying to leave Malibu go to Calabas. She's driven out of Malibu. She's driven out of Malibu. No one's like, I don't know. No, Malibu. No, I'm going to go with Calabasas. Yeah, I'm going to go away from the ocean. When did your parents get divorced? How old were you? You were five. I was three. Oh, it's like us. Yeah, when they broke up. I don't know. Probably divorce got, yeah, five.

And there's three of you. There's you, Sarah. There's you, Aaron, and there's Jordan. Yep, she's the youngest. And then you also have three other sisters. Two other. Two other sisters. That's right. You have you have Amy. Yep, half sister. Half sister. Same dad. Who's older. Allison half sister. And then you have. And then you have your adopted sister. Yeah, Allison, we didn't grow up with it all. But Amy, coincidentally, came to be with us and our dad and our mom for the summer when she was 13. The day she got there was the day our dad left our mom.

And he was like, later everybody. And Amy stayed with us and our mom for the summer. He was like, yeah, I know you're here to see me, but like, I got places to go. Dark. Super dark. But you told you said it with a smile. also. And then what about the other boys, like the Brody's whole thing?

What's that? So then that, well, that's part of what happened. So David ended up with Linda. Yes. And then Linda had two sons. Brody and Brandon. Oh, so they were steps? They were stepbrothers.

With Bruce Jenner. With Bruce. And then that didn't work out. And then David went to Yolanda and married Yolanda. 20 years later, but yes. 20 years later. with Gigi and Bella. And Anwar.

This is so confusing. Right. So then, so you've had a lot of steps. Should we throw in? Well, then on the other side. On the other side. Yeah. Our mom.

I want more. Okay. Was with a man. Named Ron Fujikawa. For 10 years. 11 years. 11 years. And he had three boys.

He did. One of which, you know, you know, impregnated me. Yes, that's right. And gave me. You have a child with, right? A child. child, yeah. You a child with the middle, middle, Danny. Ron had Michael, Danny, and Brady. So we

And then you, that was the Brady bunch. That was a good little Brady bunch. So you guys have had a million step siblings. Our mom was also married to a guy when we were in middle school way before Ron. He had three children. So then your childhood was as, I think from the outside in, it would it be as like Hollywood, as you could possibly imagine in terms of the structure in which your life went in terms of family. There was a lot of different affairs and breakups and celebrities. Right. And it's all sort of encapsulated in this very, like, popular celebrity driven circle with

the Kardashians and the Hadid's and all of us. But what's interesting is that all happened sort of after us. So while our dad was married to Linda, the Kardashians didn't exist. They weren't a thing yet. And then when our dad was married to Yolanda, Bella and Gigi were high school girls. So where do you feel like you guys stack up as far as the Kardashians, the Hadiths, and the foster? Yeah, that's what I think we mean. I think you had it right when you went like this.

Oh, I did. And are you guys gunning? Are you gunning to like leap from three to two and then from two to one? I think Sarah is gunning for this. She's going to hear right. I think Aaron wants a different path. No, no, we're just getting into modeling now. So watch out Bella and Gigi.

You know, we've been sort of not wanting to, but we're open to it now to modeling. So watch out, kids. Listen, we're just grateful that Gigi and Bella were not our stepsisters at our age when we were teenagers. If we had been the same, we were 10 years plus older than them. So by the time we met Gigi and Bella, we were in our 20s when they were 12. and vice versa. So if we had had hot step sisters when we were teenagers, that would be just debilitating.

But when you're like 10 years older than them, you can't even compare yourself to someone who's so much in like a different age. Hey, you know what? Any of you guys get your new deal? That could be a good show. Which one? Hot step sisters.

Like two step sisters. Or a porn. Yeah, well, that's been done. But the two stepsisters who are like the not so great ones and then the two hot ones. Sorry, who are the not so great ones, Oliver? Well, this is for TV. Step sisters, the not so great ones.

You're a monster at 10 a.m. I wasn't referring to you guys. I was referring to the characters. So let's go back to you guys as kids. So what was your dynamic? What was the dynamic of the three sisters when you guys were little? Here was the dynamic. Me and Jordan were best friends.

And I was like her little pretend mom. And I'd teach her how to read and like spend all my time with her. And I'd go to Sarah's room and I'd be like, I'll clean your room. I'll change the outfits of your dolls. I'll do whatever. I'll sit on your floor. I'll take notes for you. And she would be like,

leave me alone. You're a loser. Get out. And I would like sleep outside her door asking for her to hang out. She would be like, there's no room for you in this bed. I have too many dolls. Like she just had no interest in what was interesting.

What was interesting about Sarah is that Sarah like wasn't interested in being a kid. I was like a real kid. I wanted to play games. I wanted to play pretend. and I wanted to, like, video games and, like, dress up. And Sarah would just look at me like, you peasant, you're so sad that this is fun for you. I want to go to a party with Demi. Like, she was just a different, she wanted to be an adult.

She wanted to be a cool adult. I remember seven asking for a filing cabinet for my birthday. All I wanted was a- Well, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense to me for you. Yeah, I wore a pen around my neck. Yeah, you wanted to, like, I. What were, why did, why did you want to file? Like, what were you wanting to file?

I didn't want to organize her life and be an adult. Yes, I remember. She would only write on a lawyer pad. Like anything she had to do for school as a lawyer pad. She'd wear Stanford sweatshards. My mom was friends with this lawyer, and I used to beg her to ask, ask him if he would give me old papers so that I could file them. Oh, my God. Like old documents.

It makes total sense. Yeah. Has that sort of translated into your adulthood? I mean, are you a filer? Now, I think that if she had an upbringing. in your life was like that cultivated what that was then she would have been like no one ever told me she would have been like this very like an accountant it's funny you say that because our manager ollie our manager ollie says if we had different parents sarah would be running a studio today at what point in your childhood did it switch where you were sort of became accepting of aaron like okay this is my girl she's my sister and i love her now well i always loved my sisters. I know that, but I'm going to be honest with you. I really did resent that I wasn't an only child. I really had actual resentment about that for a long time.

Because you just wanted to be the center of attention. I wanted to be the center of attention. I didn't want to share. I was selfish. I mean, I was honestly very selfish until my 20s. I mean, maybe even until I had Valentina. Maybe what? Maybe what? Say it Kate said, no, I was saying maybe. Maybe you still are. Maybe you still are. Like, she's like, it's like It's a moment of vulnerability, and she's ready to attack me. I know. It's incredible. I'm just saying that maybe it was a little late.

More like your 30s, yeah. Well, okay. You could say that. Because we were in the 20s thing. You can say that, but you have to remember. I had Valentina at 29 years old. And let me tell you something. I remember a week before she was born, I was laying in bed, and I was like, I'm

going to be the worst mom. I am so selfish. I want to only take care of myself. I want to watch TV when I want to watch TV. I want to go on a trip when I want to go on a trip. And let me tell you to me, when I had that kid, everything switched. I didn't leave my house for eight weeks. I had no baby nurse.

I had no nanny. I completely did a 180. And I became the most selfless person, which I didn't think I had in me. I was all about this child for the first five years of her life. And then I got a nanny and I, you know. And then I went back. And then I went back. And listen, you've changed a lot.

Yes. You are an extremely selfish person for the majority. of your life. Yeah. But in the last 10 years, you have worked on yourself a lot and you have changed a lot. Yeah. That is true. Oh, I look back at certain things.

I mean, I remember I would smoke cigarettes and my grandma would be in the backseat. And she'd be like, please don't smoke. And I'd be like, calm down. You know? I was, you guys, I was. Put your oxygen in. Shut up. Sarah was a monster.

I went to like Thanksgiving topless ones when I was 14 and my family was like, can you put a shirt on it's Thanksgiving? And I was like, it's my house too. I was a monster. Oh yeah, we were driving to Jordan. I loved her. I loved her. We were driving to Jordan high school graduation.

And we were like really late. And so I was like, I want French fries from McDonald's. And we were like, there's no time for that. She's like, pull the fucking car over. I want McDonald's. And I was like, you're a monster. And she turned around. She's like, you're so jealous.

I was like, wait, what? I'm just saying you're like a horrible person. That sounds like Sarah now. Yeah. It's like, it's scary how jealous you are. I'm just saying you that. I embrace all of those things. And Sarah.

Well, we've got to get back to the dynamic, but I remember, I mean, one of the things that Sarah, you could never get eye contact with her if you ever went out. Oh, yeah. Oh, because, I mean, talk about looking over the shoulder. Oh, yeah. You weren't exciting enough. I needed. Oh, yeah. No one was.

No. Well, Ollie got my attention. But then, but I was a huge crush on Ollie. Yeah, when I was a, when we were young. Everybody did. So then the dynamic changed, do you think, when you had Valentina? No, I think My dynamic with Aaron changed

Way before that Of course when you were, what about when you were like 10? Yeah, no, I would say around, no, no, I would say around 20 Me 20 because I'm a year and a half older than Aaron. No, 10, she had no interest in me. 15, she had no, definitely no interest in me. And then 20, I think she started, you know what?

I think she started using me as like a buffer so that she wouldn't have to like go to someone's house alone because you'd go to like a late night party or something and it's like she didn't want to walk it alone so she'd like let me come with her but then we'd get there and she'd be like, go away. Well, let's hold on. Let's go back from zero to 20. So what was the relationship like?

Was it completely non-existent? Well, we went to different schools. Or were you totally dismissive of her? The relationship was that I thought Sarah was so cool and I wanted to be friends with her. But she wasn't nice to me. And so I was like, fuck her then. And we didn't really have a relationship. So like I think she, we had such different paths.

Like for Sarah, it's like every door opened for her when she walked. into it and every door slammed to my face in the sense of like I would like trip over something or I had like braces for too long or like I was bad in school or like we were on the same sports team every year and like I wasn't good at it and she was great at it like she just everything was very easy for Sarah as a young person like school was easy friends was easy and all those things were hard for me I really had a hard time in school I failed out of the 10th grade I went to like six or seven different schools trying to find my right place which is why I ended up in Switzerland. And so I think that dynamic on top of her not including me in anything didn't make

me like root for her, you know? And then that became something later in life that we had to figure out between us because we then had a friendship. We had all this like history of hostility in our relationship. But when I was in my 20s, there was a point where like I stopped trying to like fit in with Sarah and be cool for Sarah. And I was like, I think I'm just going to go see who I am like on my own, like not try to be with her friends, not try to be cool and, like, what she would think is cool. I'm going to, like, go to, like, UCB and, like, learn comedy and do stand-up and do, like, improv and stuff that she would think is, like, lame. But I'm going to, like, find a world that's for me.

And as soon as I stop trying to be, like, cool for her, then I think we, like, got along better, you know? Did you think her doing stand-up was lame? God, no. I don't know, but, like, you know, you go to, like, UCB, you go to, like, improv classes. that's not like cool to back then no but i also think that we're putting a lot of weight on the relationship like i don't think you you you sort of sound like you were like living and dying and breathing by my approval like i was but that but that but that but that was weight on her

right for you you might have been like she's like out of sight out of mind and that's what we've we've realized that was me with oliver we talked about this all the time like all i wanted was for oliver to acknowledge my existence yeah please i didn't know you guys had that Oh, yeah. Oh, Aaron, you don't understand. Ollie was so cool. I remember that. Like, Kate was not nearly as cool as Ollie.

Ollie was a legend. Yeah, I was just like... I'll never forget when Ollie took me to California Pizza Kitchen, Shayla Mandel didn't talk to me for like a month. I remember that. Because it was like, it was like so controversial that Ollie Hudson took me to CPK. And everyone at Crossroads was like heard about it. Was it a date?

It wasn't even a date. She was like hungry. No, she was like dropped. her off at our house. Literally, it was like nothing. It was like, I was there and I was always like, I'm hungry and I probably had just eaten. I was like, I'm starving. And he just like threw me a bone and took me sick. Listen, I think when you're young, power dynamics play a big role in your life. Because as an adult, when you figure out what your lane is, what your sweet spot is, what you're good at, what you're bad at, and you embrace who you actually are, there's no one who can really

have a ton of power over you. But when you're a young person and you decide someone else holds the keys to me being cool or me being accepted, that does feel very powerful. So I think it was more powerful probably on my end than your end, because to me, I didn't exist unless Sarah would let me into her world or she would think what I was doing was cool or she would accept me. And I lived and died by that concept. It wasn't until I let go of it. And I was like, fuck this. This isn't working for me. Well, you started dating Chad Michael Murray. So you became really cool in your own square all right you're right about that c m squared that's actually when she realized she didn't need me

she's like yo i'm fucking dating chad michael murray you can that did give me some status that's actually what shifted it wasn't even really to sarah that that felt like that but it was like to the world i had not been cool yet and then all of a sudden i remember this i totally forgot was like died for me

and i kept being like wait why i was like so happy for you like I think some people would assume that then I would, because I wasn't dating anyone cool, but I was like, that's so dope. Like, here's the deal. I rooted for Aaron always. I didn't want her to fail. I was just oblivious to it all. Something I think that held so much weight for her didn't hold weight for me.

But then what happened with you? When did you finally be like, okay, in your 20s, start paying attention to your sister who was devastated by the way you treated her? Thank you. And by the way, I didn't know at the time. If I had a known at the time what it was actually doing to her, I was just in my own. It's like it's very, very classic sibling relationship. I mean, at the end of the day, too, you guys are dealing with a broken family dynamic. You're dealing with your probably intense need and desire to seek connection with family needing validation.

Sarah was seeking that elsewhere, not by not with you because you're not older. So Sarah was seeking that with people like me, with boys. Her friends became her family. I was obsessed with boys. I remember meeting your parents. I was like, I want them to be my parents. They were so cool. Like, we would joke in our house.

We'd be like, you just want to be a sibling of the haunt. Yes, I do. We basically lived together every weekend. But I was more concerned truthfully, and I'll make it really quick. You know, we have to throw in. Like, our dad was raising other children. He wasn't raising us. He was raising Brandon and Brody.

That was a family. Who was raising you? My mom. So for Aaron, what would like wade so heavily on her was like me. I was like dealing with my whole own emotional turmoil, which is like watching my father raise other children. And that was the thing that kept me up at night, not like my little sister, who I loved. What was the time when you guys started to figure out what it was that you wanted to?

I mean, I know you started doing little bits of modeling and auditioning here and married. That was my only way out. My only way was like, my dad was like, look, if you're not going to college, figure it out. And at that time, everyone was telling me I could be a model. So I was like, oh, I can be a model and like make money and then not have to go to college and still date this guy I'm dating. And yes, that's amazing. So I fully started modeling.

I was just like, how can I pay my phone bill and my car bill and stay with this guy? Yeah. And modeling was the thing. And I wasn't like, you know, that's successful at it. but I got, I worked a lot. Did you go to, like, Europe and all that? I went to Paris. You know, I did the whole thing.

Mm-hmm. So then, Aaron, you went to Switzerland. You checked out. Yeah, I was in Switzerland for 11th grade. And you loved it. I remember this. I did really love it. Did you lose your virginity in Switzerland?

I did, actually. You didn't? To a Swiss man? No, unfortunately, to a guy from Tennessee. Oh, that's good. Okay, great. But he came from a really rich family. I don't know if that helps.

That does. That does. So sincere, Ollie. When I was at school in Malibu, I hated living in Malibu. Like, it was the depths of my, like, unhappiness. I think, and I mean, you guys had a different experience, and it's different for guys there, but I would say that guys in Malibu are maybe the lowest form of humanity. They are the world's worst guys.

That is just not. I'm comfortable putting it out there. I appreciate it. Where did you go? Did you go to Malibu High? I did. You went to Malibu High. Well, back then, Malibu Hai was fucking crazy.

Malibu Hai was filled with guys who called you a bitch, made you pay for dinner if they asked you to go to dinner with them. And then did heroin and fell asleep. I'd never had... And then drove off a cliff. Yeah, it asked for a hand job and then fall asleep. And then, like, the first... The first date I was ever taken on. You were giving hand jobs?

No, no, no. The first date I was ever taken on, this guy asked me out. He was rich. His dad was on a soap opera. and he was driving me to dinner and I'd never gone out to dinner with anyone before and I mean like a date

that was 15 or 16 or whatever and he stopped at Bank of America on the way for me to get cash out on my debit card and then he took me to Nobu and he put the bill on his dad's credit card and then had me give him cash for my half a day

okay that's Malibu that was the kind of gentleman that I was exposed to Did you make out with him? I don't not that night probably I didn't put out I was like, I had to pay it in my own way. I probably did.

You know what? He ended up dumping me while I was at the space jam premiere and I got a beeper message. And it was like a voicemail on the beeper that I was getting dumped at the space jam premiere. So that movie is like pretty fricking for me. Oh, my God. No, a lot of the guys in Malibu, what their vibe was was like spend my parents money. They're their burnout stoners. No one's interested in the world.

No one's like treating women with any kind of respect. No one's like curious about the world or doing anything interesting or talking about anything outside of what's happening in Malibu. When you went to Switzerland, what did it feel like for you in the first couple weeks? Was it like freedom? Yeah. So I basically, I was so kind of unhappy with being in Malibu that I had heard about Concord. And I went there first because I thought, oh, if I'm in Santa Monica, then it'll be, you know,

who went there. And that's why I knew about it was your ex-girlfriend's little sister Natalie. Oh, yeah, Natalie Shaw. Natalie Shaw. And I met her somewhere in the role and she said she went to Conchard. I thought that's so cool. And I was like, oh, if I maybe have to go to school in Santa Monica, then I'll meet different kinds of people that I'll feel more connected to. And so I did a year at Concord and that obviously wasn't enough. It was not that far. And so then I was like,

I want to go the farthest place I can possibly think of. And I found a school in Switzerland that would take me. And I went. And I kind of had this instinct. Like, even if I go to this thing and it's terrible and scary and like painful and difficult. I just know instinctively I'm going to be a better person for it. Like I just know that I live in this bubble that's so uninspiring to me. And I don't mean like I'm so, I was so deep and like needed to be stimulated. But I was just like so, I really didn't feel like I was understood or seen by anybody around me. And I thought like I need to see being a different part of the world with different kinds of people. And as soon as I got to Switzerland to answer question. It was very scary, but I quickly realized that the hottest girl in school was not necessarily

the most popular girl. People judged each other based on a well-rounded whole, like full spectrum of qualities, not just like, are your parents rich? Do you surf? What car do you drive? It was like, how many languages do you speak? Where do you want to go to college? Are you nice to people? How many activities are you involved with? People were just more well-rounded. And that felt more accessible to me. But you were, it seems like you were extremely proactive in deciding your future, like that young age, right? You were the one who were, you were leading the charge, though, meaning like, fuck Malibu, I want to go to Concord. Okay, fuck Concord. I'm going to find Switzerland and put me there.

Yes, this is why. But that's a great, I mean, I would, I would, I would, that's pretty mature. Well, what's interesting about that concept that what you're just saying is that I am now engaged to someone whose parents have been married for 40 years and he comes from a Russian Jewish culture. that's a thick community of like family-oriented people. And very early on in our relationship, I realized this like disconnect in our upbringing because he was like, Aaron,

the number one rule in life is you always honor your parents. And I was like, honor your parents. I had to like completely rebel against my parents to survive. Like I had to tell my parents to fuck off and like I'm going to Switzerland and I'm going to go here. Like to survive, I had to basically tell them how,

what I'm going to do. Or else I would have been stuck in Malibu. But to be fair, our parents didn't fight. Not that I remember. Our parents were, we had parents that I think were okay with us going away. The one thing that I'm finding really interesting is we never talk like this, which is so great because we spend time together and we do everything together, basically. But we don't ever get into sort of the depths of family dynamics and like how that informs

who we are today. But the one thing that I'm hearing is a lot of searching outward, but the internal drive to be something or do something or be passionate about something is missing from this conversation which I find really interesting because you guys are doing interesting you guys have a plan of action now

but in terms of like what you were interested in doing when you were younger or what you were passionate about was something that you hadn't really discovered as kids you didn't think our 20s were survival mode in a lot of ways our childhood was well our childhood was well our childhood

definitely was, but going into our 20s, at least from myself. Survival mode on survival mode, how in what way? Well, we had, you know, we had, listen, we grew up with a safety net, right? Our dad always said to us, you'll never be homeless and you'll never be hungry. But we did not have a trust fund. We did not have an allowance. We did not have like free. What? We did have an allowance. No, but we didn't have, we had to have a job. I guess what I was asking, were you talking about emotional survival mode? Yes, yes. I'm talking double. I feel like, at least my story is I didn't really have time to figure out what I really loved because I was just so focused on I've got to make money. Like I like was I passionate about modeling? Fuck no. Did I want to go

audition to be like the host of E.T on MTV? Like sure it was cool. Honestly that was cool. No it was but like could I honestly say that I was passionate about it? Pretty cool. I can't say that I was passionate about it. Well here's the other dynamic that was happening which is what Sarah's referring to also is that we didn't we never lived with our dad right after our parents broke up so from the ages of three and five we were living with our mom and our dad was living in this 20 million dollar house with brandon and brodie and it had like the trolley and it had the pool and it had this thing and they had like four cars yeah they had a very different life but out in the world people would be like you guys are spoiled brats and you guys have it all and you're rich kids and we would be like

yeah but like we don't live there we're not even allowed to we don't have the gate code like we don't have a room there we don't we're not really a part of that world we got the gate code we eventually we have the gate code but we didn't have a key but was there resentment though I mean oh deep oh okay but I was less about like resentment towards them it was more like we're misunderstood out in the world because we have this like fake spoiled lifestyle but we're not even really allowed to be a part of it but so we get all sort of like the backlash for it but we don't actually like get the benefits and I think when you're 15, you don't have the maturity to understand that, like, them having a spoiled lifestyle is not

going to serve them well. You're just like, why do they have all these things that I don't have and my dad's the one giving it to them? Sarah is a very stoic personality, right? Until she's not. And, like, deep down, you're quite sensitive and can be fragile at times. This thing that's been built up for so long based on whatever that was when it starts to break down. She still has a hard time letting that down. But we've been told by our father to toughen up those words since we're five years old. We didn't really have like any parental unit that was sort of giving like a nurturing environment for those. What's interesting though, what's interesting though is like from a sisterhood standpoint, you guys were so separate. So you, you didn't, you couldn't rely on each other

for any sort of emotional support. Aaron and I? Yeah. Because you were doing your own thing and you, you know, you didn't want any part of Aaron. And Aaron was in. Switzerland and so I was just trying to figure out how to be an adult and literally as teenagers you had your friends we we never even we never even hung out with any of the girls like they were never around like literally Sarah lived almost a completely different life yeah then you know the girls were I mean Jordan I'm only now really in the last couple years I mean seven years I guess it's getting now it's getting up there but I always went to you you never came to me I don't ever i don't really have the memory of her being at our house growing up to you i remember when we

had our house i always i always came i never went to no we were in our late teens and we had our house in malibu and sarah and i lived on the bottom floor the cavalry the cavalry house that's when i started coming and i remember like when sarah's phone line would ring i would like run to the living room to try to answer it so i could like talk to one of her friends because i was like what's her life like who does she talk to you i just wanted to like no i'd be like hello hey kim stewart what's up um no Sarah's not here right now. I was just, like, dying to, like, know her life. Who are your friends?

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She was embarking on being an actress. right after Debs right after right after actually yeah Debs was Debs was huge and it was and then I think Sarah at that time was feeling I think she probably maybe didn't even know it at the time but she was kind of like unfulfilled like yeah I'm acting but like she didn't seem to like care enough about it or like live or die by the I wasn't treating it like a business she wasn't passionate about it not at all wasn't passionate I don't think she was fulfilled probably because she was on the wrong path at

that point. And I had started to just, I decided I wanted to be a writer and I wanted to be in comedy. And I had never figured that out before. I never even knew that like I should be comedic. I thought that like the part of my personality that made jokes was just like something I had to phase out because it was like what made me like blush and say the wrong thing. I didn't realize it was like actually something I should harness and use to my advantage. And by the way, you were not even acting in comedy. You were in every single drama on television. It's true. You got cast in every, like one or two episodes in every drama. Because I really, really didn't know who I was. I was trying so hard to be like taken seriously. I just didn't have any idea. So when I was like 26 or seven,

I started a blog when blogging was cool, like not today blogging, original blogging, called Totally Confident and Completely Insecure.com. And that's when I realized I wanted to be a writer. And I started the single girl's guide on Hello Giggles. And I started being like, oh, I want to be like an internet writer. I was writing for daily candy. And I was like, this is going to be my world. And then I ended up writing a script. And then I ended up getting like, signed to CAA as a writer and I was like okay I finally figured out my purpose my purpose is I want to be a writer that's going to be my life I'll be a staff writer I'll create shows like this is my dream had nothing to do with Sarah because she was on a different path I was on a television show called

9-0-2-0 at the time true for five years the re the remake yeah the remake yeah the remake and so then you didn't get asked back for this latest installment unfortunately I didn't know I'm sorry about that thank you there's still time where was what was Sarah doing by the way, when you were... She was acting on N-O-N-O-O-O-O-O-O-W, right? Were you guys connected? Yes. Were you homies at that point?

At this point, we were all connected. No, we were all connected. Aaron started, and Aaron, Aaron then became friends with all my friends. For people that are listening, that don't know us, that don't know any of these dynamics, I think it could come across, like,

that I was awful, which in a lot of ways with Aaron, I regret a lot of it. But, you know, I was always, her champion, always supportive of her, was so excited for her to be friends with my friends. I also remember when she had her first stand-up. I remember you with her first one. Of course. Where was it in the Valley? UCB. I made everyone come. Everybody had to come. It was like a whole thing. She was very like. It's true. She was very. Once I found my thing,

she was very supportive of it. And the relationships that we have with our parents really do define our relationships with our siblings, a lot of time. And you understand why the way that you grew up became your survival mode against each other or with each other, and that like Sarah being mean to me was because she was going through her own shit and she didn't have room and space to be a big sister because she was trying to be her own person.

That's a good way of putting it. There was no room or space. Like I had so much of my own inner turmoil with our own family dynamic. But you look back and you're like, oh my God, where are each other's allies? One thing our dad always did say to us is his the most important thing to him was that we would cultivate a deep meaningful connection with each other as siblings because he would say that is all you have in life truly i say that to my kids too when they fight or whatever i'm like you fuckers yeah this is all you

have okay it's the worst at the end of the day they're the only people who will ever know exactly what it's like to grow up in your household with your mom and your dad and that is an invaluable thing there's no your husband your wife you cannot yeah you cannot find that in a partner or a best friend no one will really truly know that and and that's really important so sarah and i didn't plan on working together in the sense that we just hadn't thought of it well you were staffing on a so i went staffed on an NBC show on this rhyme review show and i was like okay i'm a real writer then that show got canceled and i tried to sell a pitch another show it didn't get bought and i didn't really know what i was going to do as a writer and then my managers at three arts were like you know

know it's so funny because all of our clients are trying to get reality shows and we keep having networks call us asking you and your sisters to do reality shows and you guys don't want to. It's so funny. Like you're as the only people who are just trying desperately to not be on a reality show. And we kind of like looked at each other and they were like, let's think about that. There's something funny in that as an idea. So we had this coffee and they were like, okay, we have this weird idea. What if we shot a show like a curb style show that is about two girls who who say they'll never do a reality show, and so they're filming a reality show about that.

And it's this like meta-comedy. And I was like, that's genius. And I was looking for a show to write and to sell. So I called Sarah. She was in Europe, and I pitched her this idea. I just had, well, no, I had like a one. Did I just have a baby? I don't remember.

And Sarah was like, that sounds really weird. It sounds like it's a reality show. I was like, no, no, no. It's literally just a comedy making fun of reality TV. So we started working on the idea for Barely Famous. And that was the first time we had ever worked together. And it started this like comedic duo sister thing that we now have, you know, a career made out of. And we didn't plan on doing that.

All of a sudden, people were going, you guys are really funny. And this show is so good. And where did you guys come from? And people started taking us seriously in a space that we could never even, I mean, Comedy Central wouldn't even hear the pitch. Comedy Central was like, we don't know, we're good. Like they're hot. Like we'll talk to them. But what, they're comedians now.

I mean and then the which is like when you know when you hear stuff like that it just it's it's fuel for you you're like oh really okay and then cut to after season one they were like god we should have taken that meeting you know it's it feels so good but listen we could talk about this forever the truth is but it was smart though because you guys were doing a concept based on who what your relationship is but heightened now that you guys work together with all of the dynamics that growing up and the relationship that you guys have now is it challenging to work together yeah i mean we're in a good we're we're we're in a really good place now especially with you know our overall at 20th now has put us in a really it's sort of given us freedom to be involved in what the other person does but also let me just

say that you guys just got a deal at 20th for producing shows yeah so it's like for most of the items are going to know overall at 20th and they're going to have no good but um but but But way before the overall, I think that like any relationship, romantic, sibling, parent, anything, Sarah and I are in a very good place now for one reason and one reason only. And that's that we've communicated and dealt with our issues over and over and over again. Constantly. And when we started working together, it was very challenging because we still, we had, we still had power dynamic issues. I still had old resentment towards her and she still had old resentment towards me. So the littlest thing that I would do would say, set her off and vice versa. And we fought a lot, season one. And then we had to have these conversations. He's like, come to Jesus, like, give it to me, tell me everything that I did that pissed you off. I'll tell you everything and crying and doing these three-hour pow-wows. And then we'd have to start fresh. So we've had to like reset ourselves a bunch of times and process things and talk them through. And now we're at a really great place because we have now figured out and understood

what our strengths are and not to step on each other's. And so that has helped a lot. Do you, feel co-dependent in any way based on the success you've had together of each other? I think we realize that it's so interesting that the thing that we're most proud of up to this point career-wise is something we did together. And I think that as siblings and especially as sisters, it is such a joy to be able to be working together. But at the same time, Aaron's a writer and Aaron's excited to write things for herself and I'm excited to produce things that she writes and that's, you know, last year she had a pilot that I produced and she started and that was the very first time that we embarked on that dynamic and it really worked.

So ultimately I do think that us together is so strong but us separate is also strong. I think I'm kind of getting to, I've gotten to a much better place because Sarah and I have figured out our roles where we really do champion each other more than like um strangle this like attempt to be together and did that happen though in barely famous season one when you guys were budding heads and had to sort of have those come to jesus moments i mean was that part of the healing process of that that was tough and what was it what were you guys like angry and fighting about and crying about on that we all really have our own narratives like season one was joyful for me.

Like I, there were moments where, you know, Aaron would, we would cut and she'd come on set and she'd be like, okay, you're just, you're not funny. Like, you're not being funny. This isn't funny at all. Just like that? Literally, it's been, literally like that. It would be like, four takes in

and she'd be like, I can't take it anymore. It's so unfunny. I'm dying because it's so funny. I think she's being dramatic. I definitely would not say that. Oh, my God. I definitely would not say that. That's not Sarah, I'm letting Sarah take this run,

but it's not actually true. But, no, I would walk in and I would be like, okay, that's not working. I asked you to seem surprised, and it's like you're not listening to me, act surprise. And I would do this in front of the whole set, and that was not a good way to do things. Also, Sarah considered a call time to be just like a light suggestion of when you should be somewhere. She didn't really take that. That might be a product of our friendship. Seriously.

Like, would she show up an hour late? I mean, to Sarah, she just, Sarah didn't, and she's better about it now, but the idea of like professionalism was not something that was important to her and I am not I am it's very important to me to be on time to not she would have conversations that were so inappropriate in front of hair makeup people she would be like arguing with me about something personal and I'd be like can you just like pick a time or place I got fired off of a UPN pilot for bad behavior you did do you remember that oh my guys I was I don't remember what did you do I was I mean I do now I didn't I was late I didn't I was late

I like didn't know my lines you guys I just they were like crazy they were like you're terrible yeah but they were like they were like they were like this is crazy they were like they literally recast me after the pilot because I was late I was I was I think I was 45 minutes late to day one she was very unprofessional I just and so for me I was like if I'm going to do this thing with you I need you to respect these boundaries I felt like I was in an authoritative position because I was like I'm coming from a comedy background at this point I'm writing comedies I'm doing comedy. I'm stand up, all this stuff. I'm taking this really seriously. And this is serious. So like, show up on time. And when I give you a direction, do the thing that I ask you to.

And our power dynamics switched where all of a sudden I was like acting like I'm in charge. And I think for Sarah, on one hand, she was like, okay, I want to do what you want me to do. But on the other hand, she was like, don't fucking tell me what to do. Like, honey, you're not number one on the call sheet. Like this is our show. We sold this together. This is our concept. I've been in the writer's room. No, no, no, no. Since day one. Were you both number ones on the show? I think Aaron was because you guys were like bullet, bullet points. No, but here's the thing. Like, you know, I'm not trying to like toot my own fucking horn here, but like I rose to the occasion. I had not done

comedy. And by the way, let's just start by on the way to day one, our manager, he wasn't my manager at the time. He called on speaker. He was Aaron's manager and he was, it was his idea for the show and he called. And I think it was on the way to shoot the scene with you at the store. And he was like, oh my God, I'm so excited. He's on speaker. I'm so excited. It's going to be great. Like, this fucking show is going to be so funny.

I only have one concern, Sarah. On speaker. And I was like, Ollie, you're on speaker. You're on speaker. And then afterwards, he was like, no, listen, I just, this show needs to be really grounded. And you have been on like a soap opera for the last five years. And I just, you know, we just really need to keep you grounded. He's like, look, you're not a great actress.

Which is fair enough. I don't know what to say. haven't seen anywhere. I know, but you were, it was funny. But the reality is, here's the thing, I'm not insecure about any more. I know I can act. But I didn't before then.

Before then, I really didn't know. I really didn't know. Like this show challenged me in ways. Was it scripted, by the way? Yes. It was scripted, but there's a lot of improvising that needs to be done. And as you guys both know, having comedic timing is something you can't even really learn.

Like, you can get better at it, but like you have it or you don't. And it was going to either work or it wasn't going to work. And we did realize day one, like this is going to work. but it was challenging figuring out I was like directing a lot of season one and so I would come in and like I felt like this is my world and you're here you have to do what I tell you to

and Sarah was like no this is our show and we have to find a balance and she was right about a lot of things because like my bedside manner was very like I finally found my thing don't fuck it up for me and you have to do what I ask you to and so we had to find both of our powers

I would have, like, quit. Fuck you, I'm out of it. I would have been like, if Aaron would have said that to me and I was her sister, I'd be like, I'm out. But deep down, I got to be honest. I fucking quit. But deep down, I was happy for her to take the reins. Like, deep down, the truth is like, let's be clear.

So, wait, did you feel any of that? Oh, wait, I'm your bigger sister. Don't fucking tell me what to do. After every take, I would look to her and I'd go, be honest. The real truth is, Aaron and I have actually only done one thing together. We did barely famous together. We've only actually done. We're not talking about the whole Instagram world.

I mean, this is where you guys have become sort of the dynamic duo. We only have our platform because of our show. Right. We would have not become. But Instagram did change our careers as well because it's a platform that so many people pay attention to. So when you're Instagramming, when you're doing these partnerships, I think what people don't know is that you're very involved in the creative. We create the creative. That's the only reason brands go to us.

But people don't know that. We don't actually have that many followers. There are people that are a lot younger, more attractive, funnier, more followers. But the truth is, brands only come to us because we create the creative. We have to come up with a storyline. We have to learn it. We have to direct it.

I mean, we have directors and people who help. We cast it. We have to create this world. And it's the same kind of thing that we did on our show. And it would be the same thing if it was like a union show on Fox or whatever it would be. Like, it's not that different. Yeah. It's just short form and it's short term.

And the turnover is really quick. And so I think that like now we're in a place where we feel less shame around this idea that a big part of our career does come from Instagram. Yeah. And I also feel that Instagram does become almost a job in a sense because you're trying to think of original content. That's basically what it is. Well, it's just for me, it's just a, it's an outlet. Yeah, but look what's happening. happened for you. But by the way, people are seeing you differently than they ever would

have. They're really getting a window into what your, your comedic weirdness is. Yeah. Unfortunately, most, for most people, Instagram shows a side of you that people really don't like, not you. People in general, a lot of people become their worst selves with the outlet of being able to film themselves all the time. And it can bring out the worst in a lot of people. Normal everyday dads out in the world that are like not actors that are just going to work every day and all of a sudden they think that they're like a fucking comedian and it's so embarrassing for money there's so many people but i think in this room it has helped us a lot hone our skills and i think it has shown a different side of you oliver what are you looking forward

to right now for in the immediate future things you're working on stuff to look out for like what is it that you're really excited about other than of course that you're about to get married and it's like all of our for this year it's the most exciting time well but part of your whole stick, which is your reality, but it's what you've sort of capitalized on, I think, is this single vibe, trying to find love, you know? So in one, in one hand, it's amazing you're getting married and then the other. It's totally fucked. I know. You're totally fucked. Well, the truth is that when I met Simon, I was like, my whole bit is being single. And so you're, because he kept saying, like, I'm a private person and like, I don't want our relationship

out there. And I was like, okay, well, you have a choice. I can either continue to pretend to be single or I can switch my narrative and be like, act like the crazy girlfriend. And he didn't want me to act like I was single. He didn't like that. And so he has to let me sort of expose parts of our relationship because for whatever reason, like my access point, and I learned this a long time ago when I started writing my blog, is that my superpower is relating to other women.

my superpower is becoming every woman's experience whether it's bad dates getting engaged being single going through a breakup having a sister that you want that you want to be cool for whatever the thing is like that's my superpower and so that's the thing that i get excited about is finding different ways to use that access point and so now i'm the crazy girlfriend or i'm the girl getting engaged that didn't think she was ever going to and now i'm like a psycho pridezilla and does he have to sort of curate your content does he ever look at it and say i don't want you to do that yeah simon mad at anything that you've posted yes i'm sure simon is not a fan of me talking about ex-boyfriends i'm also not allowed to talk about it either my past i've lived a life i've had relationships and so i can't and my whole like essence and being is about being open about my experiences so you can't like censor that and so i think that that is a struggle for us in the sense that he supports me being like a outspoken person and and being candid and all that, but it is foreign to him.

He comes from a culture that is much more private that is much more protective of what happens at home and it's been an adjustment period for him to get comfortable. Because I think ultimately you are really passionate

about writing a book. I am, which you will do and it's going to be interesting you know, how you navigate which you'll have to think about it. No, I know, but what kind of book? Tell all. Tell all about you and your brother.

I want to write a I want to write a lot of books I mean I should have written a book 10 years ago I think that like me relating to other women is a huge part of like what I care about and talking about my experiences and the thing is is that like where what the big part of Simon and my relationship being special is is how I got here and where I was before and me being a girl who never knew how to not be in a dysfunctional relationship and was only attracted to people who were abusive and like finding a normal, good, decent person that I love what seemed impossible. And the fact that I actually figured that out, I think a lot of women go, fuck, maybe I can figure that out. Maybe I can stop my bad habits. So let's go back to what I said,

which is what you guys are excited about. Should I say what I'm excited for? And then you can say what you're excited for? Sure. So for me, I, is this just career? What we're excited about? Yeah,

career or just your future? I'm excited. We haven't even touched on the fact that Aaron and I are heads have created at Bumble, which is a tech company, which is a whole other, it's a whole other part of our story. But what that has done for us is that has put us into a conversation and put us into a space of investing. And that is something that I, I'd never have had the confidence to explore ever. And because of Bumble, it's put us in these rooms and at these tech conferences. And I now have the confidence. And I think Aaron does.

as well to explore that part of life. And so we're making investments and starting our own company. We're starting our own clothing line. We have this new overall at 20th where they're really supporting us in development. So we have four shows in development that we're excited about some that we're in,

some that Aaron's writing that I have nothing to do with. We're toying with bringing back Barely Famous for a third season, just for fun. Aaron does a lot of speaking things. we do speaking things together. She does them apart. But really, I guess I am land the plane. I don't know. I'm just, I'm excited about kind of all of it. I'm excited that land the plane. I'm excited. My flaps are up. Flaps are up. Flaps are up. My kids are getting older. I feel like I'm sort of coming out of that. They're turning four and nine. And I'm more focused on work than I've

ever been. And what's your drive for it? What's driving that? I think what's driving that. I think what's driving that is the concept of, you know, going and just auditioning for someone else's material. It's something that doesn't even phase me. Now that I've dipped my feet in developing something from the, coming up with a seed and turning it into what it is, I'm now, I now crave that. It's like realizing you can be in control of your own destiny. It doesn't even occur to me to join someone else's project. I don't care if it's going to take 20 goes. Like, I can't see myself participating in something that I'm not involved from the very

beginning. And it excites me. And it's truly what wakes me up in the morning. Erin, Aaron Foster. I'm excited about developing these TV shows and getting them on the air. And I'm excited also to get married and have kids and start that part of my life. Yeah. I know it really is, the day after we get married. It is, it is. I really do think too when Aaron has kids, she's going to have a kid for sure in 2020. And I already see what's happening. She's going to be like, just leave me alone and with my kid.

I'm like, bitch, get up. We've got to show up because I'm now so, Aaron's like you're so annoying every day. I'm honestly not as queer focused as Sarah right now. That's just the truth. I'm also so really excited to be an aunt to Aaron's kids. Oh, that's nice. Me too. That's a whole other.

How often do you see each other? Every day. Every day. Who got on Instagram first? Aaron. Who has more Instagram followers? Aaron. Sarah now.

Rude, Ollie. Is this a sense, does you guys go back and forth about this? No, we always usually have pretty much the same amount. How many more do you have than her? I swear to, I really don't know. You don't know? No, I never, never that much more. Who's the better cook?

You know, it's interesting. I would say me, but, because I can cook more dishes, but I think Aaron is now entering into maybe taking that spot. She's like with her weird cookbooks and maybe. She's really getting into the matzaboles. You're more of a natural. Brisket. Yeah.

She's really embracing the Jewish traditions. Yeah. Yeah. Who's funnier? Erin. Oh, interesting. I think we are funny in different ways at different time. Yeah, we have a different.

I would say, I swear to God, like, and I would, I would be honest. I would, I say that you guys are both, you're so, you're just so different. Yeah. So who's funny on social media, same? Well, I've kind of like borrowed from Aaron's whole bit. I sort of, I don't want to say I stole. I stole. I'd say you stole.

But I kind of, and by the way, not just me. I think there are a lot of women who I'm not going to name who have also kind of stolen her sort of self-deprecating thing that she does. She was kind of doing it first, honestly. Imitations, the greatest form of flattery. Yeah. One word to describe the other. Erin, loyal.

Oh, motivated. Nice. Who's more outgoing? Me. Sarah says Sarah. Well, Erin, what do you think? We already know the answer to this. Who is late to things more often?

Sarah Foster. Yeah, but Aaron was late today. That's true. Thank you. Very true. Oh, can I also say, I've been working on it. You know. Me too.

I've been working on it. By the way, you have been very on time lately. You have. Who is or was a better rule follower? Oh, please. Erin, Aaron, Aaron. Aaron. I love rules.

Who takes longer to get ready? Aaron. I think Aaron. Aaron does. Yeah. I leave that. house with wet hair and no makeup. It is surprising. Because Sarah's more vain than I am. But I get, I, Sarah, you can admit that. Sarah's more vain and, and I'll go to like a red carpet

with no makeup and wet hair. That's true. I will go to an event with wet hair and no makeup. It is very strange. I think this is why we were really close. We were always like, we never took time. We never took time getting ready, Sarah and I. We put on like slips and leave. Yeah. Okay. Well, I like this one. If you were casting someone as your sister, who would it be? Who would Play Sarah Foster. Well, I know who I think. I probably shouldn't say. Leslie Bibb.

Leslie Bibb. Leslie Bibb. I'm going to say Robin Wright. I always get Robin Wright. I always get Robin Wright. She's got to be funnier. Who would we cast as Aaron Foster? It's a tough one.

It's a tough one. There is no other me. Emma Stone? Emma Stone. Perfect. Okay. Okay, but now we got to get Sarah. We still have a back there.

Okay, so Emma Stone should be in a movie with... No. Cool. We just like couldn't come up with anyone for me. Who gets the last word in an argument? Aaron. Who gets annoyed more easily? Aaron.

Who borrows things from the other more? Oh, please. I don't want anything of Aaron. She only borrows mine. That's true. It's true. Not like trying to borrow her. What about money?

Money or fame? Money. I think we both choose money. I mean, fame seems pretty shitty, no? Okay, I've got a great question. If you were running for office. I was just going to ask this one. Would there be any skeletons in you?

Either of your closets. Or how about just what is the skeleton that would torpedo your campaign? That would derail your campaign. It's so interesting because you know what's so interesting about all of us is we've never done drugs. Never. I actually did chocolate mushrooms recently and I really liked it. But does that count?

You know, we don't have a lot of skeletons in our closet. We've no, no, no DUIs, no prostitutes, no team pregnancies. There's nothing that you would do. Oh, texting and driving. I've been in trouble for that multiple times. I don't know, but I'm saying it's like three times in that. You're going to dig shit up on you. That could take me down?

Oh, yeah. That they dig shit up. Press would dig shit up on you and submarine your candidacy. I think mine would be like old tweets. So we do this thing at the end of each podcast. And there's a $10,000 charitable donation to the charity of each other's choice. $10,000. Yeah.

And we're asking everyone after this podcast basically who you like more. Just generally. Wait, what? This is crazy. No, I know. And we have to collectively agree on the answer? That Oliver says who you like more. I say, who do you think is like really showing up at this podcast?

It's just a feeling. You got to, it's just an overall feeling. What I'm going to say is that I'm going to pick Ollie because I'm going to pick Ollie because Kate and I have a more consistent relationship. And so I have enjoyed my time with you in a new way that surprised me that I haven't had with Kate, sorry, that I've had with Kate before. So it didn't surprise me. but you're a surprise

I feel attracted to Aaron like I feel like I feel like we should have dated maybe at some point I could tell while this was happening

and Aaron was talking I could be like Oliver was like Aaron's really smart this is my kind of girl I don't know she's smart

but we've never had like a different kind of attention to the conversation I want to say I think you're getting red

you're getting red the lobster what a perfect book ends the whole fucking it's actually happening. I was like, oh, God, as he's talking about me right now, I'm feeling myself get hot and red. By the way, Simon's going to fucking kill you.

I know. By the way, you're dead in this. You're dead. You're dead. The Russians are coming for you. Simon's a Russian mobster. You're dead. I want to say that Kate really impressed me today because you always impressed me, Ollie. Thanks. I want to say that you are a really good interviewer. You did not make it about you at all. And I, and I'm sorry, for someone like her, where it is always all about her forever since you're fucking 16. She has a great. No, no, you guys, she has been famous and she was...

She's been famous and she was sick. It's been all about me, not because of me, because of the people around me. It's been all about her since she was six and everyone has kissed her ass for her whole life, like the C's part for her because of Kate, stop acting like you're so shocked by this. It's not like something I demanded. I'm not saying you demanded. Just let me... Well, you don't mind. It's my life.

It's my life. It's my, guys, it's my life past. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, with mom on the cow on the donkey where she pretended like, what? I just got home from school. You want to take my picture? Yeah, I did. That's what I'm saying.

Listen, it, I, I was really impressed. I find that for people that are interviewing other people when there are people like her, it's like it, like it's like it, it's like it, bring it always back around to yourself when you're someone like her. You did not talk about. yourself or your own experiences literally at all in the last four hours. You really made it all about the people you were interviewing, which is wild. You're really good at it. And I'm impressed. Okay. One for one. But I'm also would like to compliment Oliver. Because like you're

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