Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Saving the Best For Last with Vanessa and Chris Williams

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

Actress, singer, and Former Miss USA Vanessa Williams joins the revelry with her brother Chris!From their roots to their globe-trotting careers, hear how they were practically destined to become performers. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry. That's good. Sometimes the snow comes down in June. Sometimes the sun goes round the moon. There you go.

And when you thought the chance of. He can't help himself. say the past, molest, because 1991, that song was not, in case you need, in case you forgot, Vanessa, it was 1991. And it was such a, it's one of those memories, you know, when you hear a song and it takes you right back to where you were in your life and what you were going through and what you were feeling, that song does that for me. Yeah, that's like one of those core memory songs where it does. Yeah.

Yeah, it's that. we built this city on rock and roll those two oh hi guys welcome hey it's nice to see where is everybody Vanessa you're in London right I'm in London I got a show tonight yeah so I'm doing devil world's prod up across the street of the Dominion theater oh fun yeah so it's been fun how's that going are you enjoying every second yeah I mean we've been doing it since pretty much like almost an entire year we did the workshop last January for two weeks then we came back and started rehearsals in London May June then we went to Clinton June through August and then came back end of September so we've been running here for a while so you're ready for you're

ready for a vacation and then is theater something that you've done for a long long time yeah yeah that was a I mean I majored a musical theater in college then first I've done off-broad and the first Broadway show was 1994, so that's already, Jesus. Wow. Already 31 years ago, I did Kiss the Spider Woman. I've worked with Cisley Tyson and Trip to Bannifle. I did Into the Woods with Sondheim and James Klein. I've done after midnight.

I just did POTUS two years ago with Leo Delaria and Julie White. Wow. So you're a real actor. Yeah. Kate just does rom-coms and Netflix shows. And I pretty much stick to Hallmark and Fox. Chris, where are you? Are you in L.A.?

I'm in L.A. Yeah. I'm in L.A. right now. As of the moment. I'm usually going all over the place. I'm traveling a lot. Are you? Yeah. I'm in 52 countries now.

Whoa. So I like to get around. What are you just for fun? Are you doing this for work? Yeah, just for fun. Good for you. Some film work. I mean, I shot a movie in Bulgaria.

which was interesting and uh shot some stuff on other countries but yeah i'd just like to see different like the more i see other countries and other places the more it gives your perspective on your own place you know what i without a doubt like people are people everywhere all across the world you know people are crying laughing you know yeah yeah so i had i had a trip like that actually with my mom i was 19 years old and i just quit college because i didn't want to do that anymore and she took me to uh she took me to india and i was there for three weeks and experiencing sort of an entirely different civilization in my mind and i came back with um it doesn't realistically your life isn't changed but it does sort of shift your perspective and allie allie was like the scene in

white lotus when she was sitting down and she was like i don't know but i just that that was so fun i just really like air conditioning and yeah Yeah, yeah. That was Ollie. It was incredible. And the best thing I took from it, the most important thing was that, you know, you think you're entering a world of extreme poverty,

and of course you are at times. But the joy that a lot of these people had with nothing was just so incredible to see. And that was the perspective shift. It was like, wow, you are, there's so much happy and smiling and laughing. And then, of course, Assad dude chased me down to the gans. and wanted to kill me

because I filmed I filmed him with a camera not understanding that he thought I was I don't know what was happening and this old Sadoo literally was screaming after me and I ran down to the Ganges in Varanasi I would give anything

I did not go in anything to have seen that Chris you just gave me an idea that what an amazing thing to know how many countries you've seen I now I want to go through and kind of think about because I love to travel so much and I've never really thought about it like that like how many countries have I seen and you just think there was such a short time on this earth there's so many places to see even when you

see something and like I was in Spain 36 years ago and it's completely changed to go to it again and so you can never really get you know you can get a sense of some countries and stuff but, like, I've been back to Italy. I love Italy. I've been going back, you know, two, three times a year in the last two years. So I really want to move there.

That's like, and it's nice to have Vanessa has a base in London, so now I can go from there, which is good. You studied there, your junior abroad, or you're at Georgetown, so that gave you your Italian flavor. They lived in the former Rockefeller estate looking over Florence and Fiesla,

so he was like soiled in college. How did you score that pad? Georgetown, my university owns the villa. So we had 12 students there in this beautiful, it just overlooks the Florence. And then I remember the first time I walked into the villa of like 10 in the morning, 9 in the morning, and there was just a mist over all of Florence

and you could just see the dome, the Duomo. And I was like, oh, this is why the Renaissance happened here because that looks like a painting. You know, so I'm obsessed with Italy. Wow. We're Italian. We're half Italian. And when I remember, I like went to Sicily for the first time.

And I was like, because we're Sicilian, and I was like, everything functions better here. My skin, my hair, my life, my personality. I belong in Italy. And I'm with you. I would love to move to Italy. I would love to, or at least spend a lot. of my year in Italy. It's like my, one of my...

He did the ancestor, we did the ancestor with the annex. So I'm 12% supposedly, 1% Italian. What is your hair? What is everything? What's your, is it, it must be... It goes, it's pretty complicated. I'll have to pull it up. Chris, you can mark time while I'm doing this.

But, yeah, I mean, that's the, the two things. When you said that your trip to India changed your life, when I went to Ghana a couple years ago, that was life change. because I got a chance to not only go into the slave trade museum of castle, but we do this thing called the Last Bath, and the local chief came up to the women that were traveling with me and gave us like a laurel of fresh leaves. And we all had bowls with our Ghanaian names.

Mine was Adjua, which means born on Monday. And we took our bowls down barefoot down the path where they used to bring the slaves chained for the, the last bath before they ship. So it was trippy. Was that emotional? Oh, my God. Yeah.

Just you're sitting in the water and you're holding the bowl and it gives you some spirits. And he's like just, you know, talk to your ancestors. And it was just like, thank you for making the trip to make my life possible. If you didn't survive, I wouldn't be on the other side. So it was tremendous. It was incredible. I mean, did you feel, did you feel a certain energy like when you're, you know what I mean like that's just profound deep energy it would seem exactly to give an idea

of what our family is mixed with yeah mine is different from obviously her i'm 12% Nigerian 12% southern Italy 11% Ghana on ivory coast 10% Benin in togo 10% Scottish 8% Denmark 4% central West Africa, 4% England, 3% Senegal, 3% Mali, 3% Yoruba land, Banu people, 3% Spain, 2% Cameroon, 2% Bantu, 2% Philippines, Balkans, 2% Nigerian woodlands, 1% on another, like, Iceland, 1% France, Wales. So it's like very, you, so you're, you got a lot of mix. Wow. We're mutts, we're really mutts.

And both of our parents have brown eyes. as well. So there's recessive traits on both sides to give us both. But our grandfather had blue eyes are all of my father's siblings, you know, or aunts and uncle. So it's, you know, it's the mix. It's 25% English, you know, and he was only, what were you English? So it all, it's all mixed up. But it just shows you our American history. Yeah, I just pulled mine up. I remember this. I'm, I'm two and a half percent North African. Nice. I feel pretty solid about that.

Welcome, my brother. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, writers, two point six percent North African and he's, or he's one percent north of them, and then he's actually 2.6 percent West African. Right? Yeah. I'm 1.3 percent Iranian.

Oh. Wow. I just knew it. I could have guessed it. I could have guessed all that, yeah. When you, we're actually pretty, we're kind of, we've got a, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're back to school. And then everything else, we're all over East Asian, North African, Middle East. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh,

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Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be The first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country.

This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the My Cultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care.

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Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story, starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The internet is something we make, not just something that happens to us. I'm Bridget Todd, host of the tech and culture podcast. There are no girls on the internet. There are no grows on the internet. is not just about tech.

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the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageous.

told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you, stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So from DNA to like family background, where were you both, where were you born? Where did you grow up? So we're from Westchester, New York, a small hamlet called Millwood in the town of Newcastle,

which is about 45 minutes outside the city. So it's not upstate. I don't consider it upstate. It's in Albany, upstate. So we had close proximity to New York City. our parents took us to Broadway shows, the museums, to all kinds of events in the city. I did live in the Bronx for a year,

so I've got Bronx cred. East two guys. We were one of the first black families in our town. So, yeah, we were the, yeah. And when I graduated, there was 20 black kids out of 1,200. But we didn't really know any better just because, you know, that's all I knew, all we knew. But your parents decided to settle in that town earlier.

Yeah, they're both music teachers. Elementary School music teachers. And my dad supposedly took my where my mom was working and where my dad was working and made a giant circle around a mat. And they just started looking for places to live. We found this really great neighborhood. And we were there for almost 50 years, probably. What is your age difference?

Four years. Four and a half year. Yeah. And are you full siblings? Mm-hmm. Yeah. God. Okay.

So, so, and there are any other siblings? No. Nope. They could only handle two of us. I get that. Yeah. So when you were, so you were born, your mom and music teachers, were you immersed in music as children? Completely.

Yeah. Both our parents taught elementary music teachers. My mother was the voice teacher in Austin. My dad was the instrumental in Elmsford. so there was like lessons going on all the time in our house like my mom would be downstairs

teaching somebody piano my dad would be upstairs on the clarinet trombone trumpet so constant music all the time people coming in out of the house and then of course they made us play so I played we were required through high school

to play an instrument and supposedly you know and they chose they chose the most difficult instruments and like Vanessa played the French horn, which is like the hardest. Wow. And I played the oboe,

which was like, Mason, we chose, I chose the ob. I'm like, in third grade, I chose the oboe. Because that philosophy was, if you learn something at the highest level,

the hardest one, anything else after that will be easier to play. Right. You're like, dad, dad, what's an instrument that all the girls are going to like? He's like,

the obo son. He's a, So your dad was a horn player. Did he play any other intramed, piano, guitar, anything like that, or was he just mostly? Taxophone, flute, you know. And brass, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Awesome. And you always have music. Did they play professionally before they were teachers? Is this something that they, it was just sort of a passion? Well, my mom definitely played piano and organ growing through up. the church and all kinds of groups and then when and then growing up she used to play at church for holidays and weddings and all that kind of stuff so she's very great at the piano and dad played in the army bar yeah is an army band yeah so he was he was in Korea for two years playing in the

army band and he used to do parades and stuff with his his students so we would always be dragged to the Memorial Day Parade to watch his class go and then we ended up you know there was a marching band in my high school so I ended also part of a choral group a Baroque choral group that we every Sunday night we'd have to go and they'd rehearse and we you know so we were constantly surrounded with music that's intense Baroque is a very yeah very intense music like right it's all the um yeah block and handle and yeah lots of people lots of churches, what's going at their concerts, yes. Wow.

So you guys, like, had no choice. It was like, it was just ingrained in you. Chris, do you still do you still have any connection to music? Do you play or do you sing? Interestingly, interestingly enough, I did a small little ditty of, when I was in like 22 years old. I found these cassettes that I had written. like 30 years, 36 years ago that I wrote these silly songs. And Vanessa's daughter, my niece, Lion Babe,

her and her partner, they're a very popular group. They did Coachella a couple years ago. And I found this tape that I did 36 years ago. And I was like, oh, this is pretty good. And so I gave it to them. And they're like, oh, Chris, this is good. And they just remade it. No.

Oh, my God. And they've been playing in the club. So that's my. What's it called? My latest, yeah. So, and Lucas is a DJ. So he's been playing, playing the song in the club, and they said this is, we're getting a good response.

Oh, fun. That's my, like, recent connection to music, but. What's the name of the song? It's called Physical. Physical. It's a really silly, well, it's, yeah, it's a nice little dance tune. It's fun. It's fun.

That's so fun. Yeah. But I play, I mean, I play the saxophone, like, once a year. I just take it out just to try to play something and, you gotta really you gotta really keep up with it you know oh I'm sure

I have a female saxophoneist in my her name is Rachel Mazer she's amazing and and I I love the saxophone it's like I feel like

it's one of those instruments that when you hear it when it's done right especially in recording that it just like it it's it's just one of those instruments that just ends up standing out

like the great saxophone solos You know, you just never forget them. Yeah. Much sexier than the obo. No, I know, but that's what I'm about to say. The saxophone can also bring back memories of like softcore on Cinemax, you know, like. Looking in the.

Yeah, like some like hazy sort of gauzy thing. Red shoe, red shoe diaries. Yeah. So Vanessa, when you were, were you a good big sister? Did you guys have like a really good relationship or was it challenging at times? Yeah. I was about to ask that because four years apart is an interesting gap. Yeah.

We were never in school at the same time except elementary school, maybe when I was in fifth grade and you were in first. But besides that, we were always in different schools. So, you know, he was the annoying tattletale until he got to college and then we ended up getting much closer. And she was always four years ahead, just to leave a trailblaze for me to go, oh, what do I have to sit? I'm like, now we'll have to step in. Oh, your sister did this and your sister to this and you're sister.

I'm like, okay, so she had already blazed through middle. When she was middle school president, then I had to become middle school president. And then she went to do all this theater and all these accolades in high school. And I came and then I was like, okay, well, she won Miss America. Now do I have to start lifting weights? Wait a minute. How old were you when you won Miss America, Vanessa? 20.

20. So were you doing pageants in high school? No. No. I was in, I was at Syracuse majoring in musical theater and the local board members would go and look at who's in the shows and they kept asking me and I was supposed to do Serenota Bergerac at Syracuse stage. I got cast in it, which would have gotten me equity points and the show got canceled and I had April free and I said, called my mom and I was like, I think I should do this thing? She said, like, is there scholarship money? Oh, yeah? Well, then do it. So my parents didn't even come up for it. One won it in April, went to States, July, won that, and went to Miss America, September, won the whole thing. So within six months, I was going to what happened. That's crazy.

I was going to come to London from my junior abroad. And obviously, my couldn't make it, but my roommate was ready and didn't make it to London. But now I'm here 40 years later, you know. That's amazing. Well, my wife was Miss Teen Master. Massachusetts. I don't want to brag, but you know. And then she was runner-up

Teen USA. So, you know. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wait, she was? Yeah. I didn't know this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Erin was Miss Runner Up Teen USA? Yeah, it was one of the reasons why I

almost didn't marry her. Is she, do we have this footage? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I've never. Oh, it's crazy. I am so fascinated by the pageant world because I remember being little. When we were young, when I was little, it was like I never missed it. It was like, I mean, I watched it every single time from, you know, Miss Universe, Miss USA. I was obsessed with it.

Well, I want to go back real quick because of four-year spread. So growing up basically, it was passing ships, kind of. He was the annoying little brother. Were you sort of on her coattails meeting like you wanted recognition? You wanted her to recognize. Do you okay with sort of the power dynamic, Chris? Well, it was four years was just enough where she was like a little bit of a rebel. So I was trying to be the good boy, you know, so to speak.

I want to get one. I want to get a rebel. I want to get into that. She got a lot more trouble than I did. Really, but you were like class president. and you were at this, you were at that, right? I mean, so you had a little bit of both, huh? What kind of trouble did you get into?

To me, everything. Good Lord. I was, I thought you were talking when I was burning things down, like my, my reputation. You know, if my parents said, you're not allowed to go, I would sneak out and go and then just take the heat, you know. Yeah. I was grounded. Okay, guess what?

I'm still going to go out. I'm still going to take the heat. And so, you know, I hitchhike. I got my stereo taken away. I had a boyfriend. and we came in late and grounded yet again. I couldn't go to the prom

because I was grounded. Always in trouble. Oh, my God. About the pipe nest? Well, yeah, it's smoked pot in high school. We had a greenhouse. My parents were avid gardeners.

My dad built a greenhouse downstairs. And I had a friend over and we were smoking in the greenhouse and I dumped the bowl to get rid of it in the dirt. And my mom comes into my room, like months later, and like, how dare you?

You planted pot. And I honestly did not know what he was talking about, because I didn't remember dumping the pot. And I knew it wasn't stupid enough to actually plant pot in there. And he was like, you planted it. And I really, and I was like, I had, don't know what you're talking about. And so, again, got grounded. You're like, and then my father became the best pot.

And then he started. You dumped your bowl You dumped the bowl out And there was seeds in the bowl And it grew This is back when This is back when our weed Had seeds in it

Yeah Oliver decided one time To try to He tried to Have a little green thumb Plant some marijuana plants Up in the hills Over by where we

Yeah A few weed stories I mean The first time I ever planted weed, they grew like 100 feet tall, didn't know what I was doing. You know, there was no trimming. There was no nothing. And then we see like a bug on it. And we're like, oh, we got a pesticide.

And they turned like pink. And then we dried out all the leaves, stripped the leaves, and then crushed the leaves up, not even understanding that the buds is what actually gets you high. We rolled these pesto joints and we were giving them around and people were coughing and throwing up. and it was a disaster. But everyone was so young, they were like, oh, that's good shit. Like, I can't even coughing this much. This is amazing.

They're not getting high. They're just going to the hospital. Oh, my God. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that.

feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host

to help with everything, from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest-ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means

to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might

personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth, an analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about

what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation, public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older,

and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people. in the right hands

and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story, starting September 19

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The internet is something we make, not just something that happens to us. I'm Bridget Todd, host of the tech and culture podcast Their Arnold grows on the internet.

There are no grows on the internet is not just about tech. It's about culture and policy and art and express. and how we as humans exist and fit with one another. In our new season, I'm talking to people like Emile Dash, an OG entrepreneur and writer who refuses to be cynical about the internet. I love tech.

You know, I've been a nerd my whole life, but it does have to be for something. Like, it's not just for its own sake. It's a fascinating exploration about the power of the internet for both good and bad. They use WhatsApp to get the price of rice at the market that is often 12 hours away. They're not going to be like, we don't like the terms of service, therefore we're not trading rice this season. It's an inspiring story that focuses on people as the core building blocks of the internet.

Platforms exist because of the regular people on them, and I think that's a real important story to keep repeating. I created There Are No Girls on the Internet because the future belongs to all of us. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday. Listen to There are No Girls on the Internet on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy.

Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you, stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets.

Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So you were a troublemaker. I like Ness. I like that. Yeah, that's your nickname, Ness, yeah. My dad actually became famous because now I've told this story so many times. At one time I got in trouble and he said, well, you don't deserve,

and I slammed the door after getting into a fight with my parents or my mom or something. And he came, went to the garage, came up, got his electric screwdriver and took my door off the hinges and put in the car. I said, you don't deserve privacy. Wow. It's a great move. It's a great song. And I didn't have privacy for like at least two months.

Oh my God. Like literally no privacy in my room. Oh my God. I should have known better. And then my door got taken off after I slammed it. So then I try to put a sheet. I try to put a sheet up and like, no, you don't deserve privacy. Yeah.

Wow. Well, that's a good move. Not to get all psychological, but where do you think, that rebelliousness came from you know what i mean do you think you were just born with that sort of piss and vinegar or was there a reason for it you know well i i think i mean my mother and i budded heads a lot and the more i got to kill her and i knew that she was a a troublemaker and an upstart and very vocal and so that fire in my belly certainly was from her yeah yeah what's your sign what's your same? I'm, I am Pisces with a Sagittarian moon and a cancer rising, Venus is in Aquarius, Mars is in

Leo. Oh, I would have thought you were a fire sign. Well, I think the, the, the Sagittarian, Madge moon, I love adventure, whatever, and yeah, but also I, I'm such a mother and such a, come let me fix it. Okay, everybody. So that's what I'm a cancer rising, too. Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Double Scorpio. Ah.

You're triple. Virgo rising. Moon and center and Scorpio. Does everybody you ever meet that's into science is like, oh. Exactly. I have no clue. Scorpio. I did my thing and I was like, I know I'm a Virgo, but like I'm born on a full moon.

I'm something rising. I don't know. Maybe I'm a pale moon. I'm pale moon. I'm a palmer horizon. But wait, I want to go back. So did you witness, did you think you saw who your mother was and be able to witness that and you took that on or found that as to be a part of you?

Yeah, I think I matched her energy. Yeah. She came from Buffalo. She had, you know, like an urban, always high achiever and so much expectation. And she wanted to get out of there on the first thing, smoke. And as soon as she went to college and married my dad, that's something. and got out. So, you know, she came from the streets of Buffalo, which is, yeah, still urban, but my dad was from Long Island, grew up in Oyster Bay, you know, so, you know, pick beans and farm,

kind of that really relaxed, chill environment, big family, very, very affectionate. So it was a, thank God, we had our dad to be the, the juxtap of the counterbalance. Because my mom, you know, didn't give physical touch, really. It was really hard for her to be loving. And I remember my dad read to us every night. And I remember having talked with my dad's like, why can't mom love me? Why can't?

And he would say it's been really tough for her. Your mom had a tough childhood. So that was our balance, thank God. It was not a morning person. My dad was at least a morning person. So there was a great counterbalance between the two of them. But the more she like didn't trust me and was always, kind of putting limitations on me, I broke out of it.

So we were head to head for a long time. You know, it's interesting, and there's a reason for this sort of line of questioning because, you know, I have kids, Kate has kids, and my oldest is 17. You're getting to the ages now where, you know, rebellion is natural and it's real. And then as far as parenting goes, I'm not a hypocrisy is. is my biggest pet peeve. I don't understand it, essentially. And when I look back on my childhood on 15, 16, 17, and the things that I did, and then now I'm trying to parent, do you give your children or how come your mom didn't understand who she was and use that, you know, as far as now

raising you, meaning, oh, wait, this is who I was. How am I now, why am I getting on these kids so hardcore, you know? I think my dad gave me the grace to be free, and then my mother would try to counteract that. So I think, and I also think my mother wanted to protect me because she's, you know, I think she saw the lens that, oh, my God, she's not gullible because my dad trusted everybody, and she didn't want that trust the guy that I have from my dad to affect me. And, of course, I got burned because, you know, obviously, you know, that I, you know, I resigned for Miss America after these photos came out.

And that was me trusting a local photographer who I didn't have a release from and me being open and like, oh, I trust them. And she could see that that was a part of me that was like my dad. So it was always kind of like, you know, kind of hone and cut that instinct down that I had for trusting. So I think she was trying to maybe. And rule. I think too, like, you know, especially for girls and their moms, there is that time. I think boys do the same thing, but it's a little bit different. Like we, I was reading this somewhere.

I thought it was really interesting, but we have to individuate from our mothers. And the more your mom identifies with, with you, the more you push against it. It's like, you know, and it's like you aren't me. I'm not you. Let me, I need to go be myself, my own. in person. That happens in your teenage years, like 15, 16 with girls, sometimes 14. And it's really intense, I think much more intense than it is for the boys and their fathers. And the more your mom tries to hold on, I think, or any mother tries to hold on really tight,

it's like you're just going to be, you're in for it. Like, you kind of got to. let your girls go and make their mistakes, you know, and be there for them when they make the mistake, you know, and it's such a hard thing because, you know, it's like, like they say that there was this great research done that if your kids aren't doing that, then they're not following like the actual nature of how we're supposed to be growing and individuating because you want your kids to push you away. That's sort of like what we're meant to do to survive. you know how did you how do you with your children you know watching them grow up and go through their sort of rebellious nature if they had one how did how are you different in the way that

you handled that you know from your mother maybe yeah i think my mom was so concerned about what everybody was going to think about her and us as a family so we had to keep it up here the status here keep it you know and every time there was some scandal or any kind of you know you know out, you know, not a perfect picture that she'd come in and attack. My kids, I mean, you know, I've got four, three from my first husband and second from Rick Fox, who, you know, so son has two parents that are in the media, you know, so we wanted to make sure that she had the freedom to make mistakes and we'd be there to support her. Who cares if everybody else, don't read any comments.

So it was much more, we weren't trying to isolate her, but it was like, who can you? cares, we'll handle it. It's not that big of a deal. And don't try to even replicate anything that we've done. My eldest kind of felt, I mean, she went to a different school because all my kids actually moved back to my hometown. So they all went to my school. So she had a hard time kind of being, she was the first and trying to be her own entity. So she ended up leaving school and going to Sacred Heart for a couple of years. And she went to boarding school just so she could have her own identity and nobody knew who she was. but the other kids were fine.

Yeah. And then, Chris, what about you? I mean, how was it a different experience? Because Kate and I've been doing this for years now, and it's so interesting with age dynamic and parents and perception. And, you know, Vanessa might have one idea of how her parents were, and then you might have another. And we've seen that across all siblings, you know?

Yeah, I think, well, since we were, you know, exactly four years apart, the um it was hard to see such a such a trailblaze that she was she was blaming through uh to try to figure out what my legacy was going to be so i went to i was actually going to be i wanted to be a sports broadcaster so uh i wanted to go to the best school in the country which was syracuse which was new house school which is you know i think the gumbles went there of brine Bob Costas, anywhere. And I did not go specifically because I couldn't do another four years of being her brother and not having my own identity.

So I went to a complete different direction, went to Georgetown, and it's got a liberal arts degree. And I was going to go to law school. And I was going to be a lawyer and took the LSATs and was going to defer a year to go to Georgetown law school. And I actually, two weeks after I graduated from Georgetown, I drove out to L.A., and I stayed with her. And I did, I knew I, I mean, I'm a performer. I knew I didn't want to be a lawyer. I was in, then I was like, maybe I'll be an entertainment lawyer.

That wasn't going to. That wasn't going to happen. So I was doing the record industry stuff at Vanessa's label and with the president. And he's trying to figure out what I want to do. And then I did a play when I was like 25? Because everyone kept going, well, when are you going to get to performing? When are you going to get to acting? Because all my friends were.

lawyers, bankers, business spend. So I figured, you know, that's what I was going to be as well. And there's no set stage for how to become an actor. You just have to just do it and get out there and put yourself. But, um, so I looked at it as my grad school and at 25, I did a show and they're like, well, when are you going to start doing this? So then I started, uh, you know, because, uh, it was, I put myself in complete debt and credit card debt because that was my grad school.

So that's how I was looking at it. And then I got a TV, I did some small things. We did Fresh Prince of Bel Air together and some small things here and there. And then I got a TV show on the WB called The Hype. It was a sketch comedy show because I do a lot of characters and that kind of stuff. I got my cheekiness from my mom was really sharp and funny. And so then knocked out all my debt. And then after that I got Curb Your Enthusiasm, the Dodgeball.

And then from there was just, yeah. That's right. I started on W. That's how I got my first TV show. My Guide to Becoming a Rock Star a million years ago. Oliver actually played us the song the other day and we're like, this is great.

Excited to record six songs. He sounded great. Wait, hold on, I want to go real quick, going back. So the trailblazing of Vanessa. Yeah. Talk about sort of having to, or the pressure of, or the expectations that you might have put on yourself to sort of

follow in the footsteps of was there pain or struggle there or envy or fuck you know what i mean it was tough well i knew she was going to win miss america when i was watching it i'm like she going to win watch you're going to win like i had complete confidence i knew she's going to do it so it was hard for me to even there was this small sibling robbery uh you know before that um once you did that I was trying to figure out, well, what am I going to, where's my, my portion at it? And since, remember, you have only one phone, I think, in the, in the early 80s, every phone call, I never got a phone call. I was, so it was, you know, I was trying to struggle to get my own identity. So that's also why I went to Georgetown to have a whole different experience in college.

And so then when she started, what she was the, um, even watching her going through all her trials and tribulations, I was in college when all this stuff went down. But, you know, as a family, we've always learned to be fiercely protected of each other. Regardless of if there's rivalry or bottom line is, you know, you're loyal to your family. And I got into fights when I was in college.

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I mean, when every news station, everyone is, like, jumping on a plane to get, I mean, I had news crews waiting for me all over, camped out in front of my house. I had to hide at my lawyer's house down the street, so no one before was. It was insane because, again, there was only a few, you know, a few network shows. And so it was nuts. And then watching people make comments about you on television, it was so big, it's like, they don't even know who I am. You know, so it was enormous. And it's just thing enough, like white people did not like the fact that she was the first blackness America. And then there's some black people that didn't say she wasn't black enough.

So you could never win on, you know, basically you can't win. So you just have to take it and just let it go through you and, and, and persevere through it. She did. Yeah, it's like a roller coaster ride you never wanted to be asked to be on. You're like, wait a minute. Yeah. You're just, it's like you're, yeah, yeah. And it negates any kind of intellect or talents that you had.

So all the years, all the shows that have been previously, anything, you know, any interview that I had, it did matter because I was a scandalized beauty queen. And to break down, the judgment was so, so severe. It took me years. It did. I was about to say, how do you deal with something like that? because at the end of the day, obviously, intellectually, we know that fuck these people. They don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

They can say what they want, but I know who I am, so fuck them all, right? It's much easier said than done. So how did you... I remember she was 20. It felt like she was a full-grown... She was a young woman, a young girl. Yeah, so you let that seep into you, and then how did you sort of deal with it, and how were you able to sort of get through it and finally be like, you know what?

Yeah, just, so at 21 is when it all, I only had like a month left of appearances. So I had done 10 months of Miss America. So the, I think I definitely threw myself into, I'm going to prove to everybody. So I kind of committed to just you wait and see kind of attitude. And then I got harsh lessons that, you know, talent doesn't matter. You're still going to be judged and you're still going to, I got crazy, crazy offers from, you know, scripts that were horrible and then taking meetings with people that I knew I wasn't a get it, but they just wanted to say, oh, I took the meeting with the former Miss America.

So I knew that whole Hollywood, you know, you know all the dinner parties that people go to and all that chatter that everybody is talking about. yeah so i i was the the the the the butt of all those jokes for years um but it always and my mother was she still she still had resentments of remembered comedians who had said something about them like in their opening analog and she's like i don't like i don't like so it's yeah my mother remembered all of everything i have i think there are certain women like what you were sort of put through like put through the ringer at a time when people found those things to be acceptable, which wouldn't be acceptable right now. But like, thank God you

had that fire spirit that could get you through it. Because I think that, you know, sometimes I look at these young girls and it's a very different time than then. Like, you know, you had, I think, like the intensity it's to which you experience what that, that kind of, you know, the microscope and all of the judgment and all of the, all of the shit being, coming at you. I feel like young girls feel that every day on on social media. Like they have this sense of like, you know, uh, they can be shamed so quickly and they could be gossiped about and one little thing goes. It's everything so exposed now. But not everybody has that fire, that, that spirit that can really like push them through it. And I think when women and young girls

hear, like when you went through something like that and they actually hear it, I think it's so important for young girls to hear how you can get through the hardest of those kinds of moments because it's still happening on a smaller scale, but like right in the, right in here, you know, and you had that tenfold, you know, and but somehow you were able to just power through it and and then and then have come through with you know your talent and success it's like amazing and then social media as you said it's immediate like there's no like it goes on fire something somebody fucks up and it is on blast worldwide yeah i mean i guess if there's any silver lining to that we move so quickly now the pacing of sort of you know oh my god bang it burns so

hot and then it goes away. So it's like, all right, just ride it out. And in a week, you'll be done. Whereas back in the day, it was not a week. I mean, it was like months on end, you know. But I think what we're tapping, like, what's so interesting is like, how does one have that resilience? Like, how do you instill?

I think it's our parents. That's right. Our parents were, we were a unit. We were a family unit where our parents really made sure that we, We were well-rounded, focused, well-read individuals. So we could represent ourselves no matter what. And I think the structure of our, because our parents were together for 46 years until my dad passed. So we had a nice, you know, base to which to go from, which to, you know, flourish from.

But also a great combination of realism and love, too. because even though my mother wasn't tremendously affectionate at all, if anything happened, she was my biggest cheerleader when I was going through divorces and stuff. She was like, she deserves a divorce, listen to what she's saying. So she always stood up for me as a woman.

And then my dad, when it all came crashing down at 21 years old, and he picked me up and we were still in hiding and stuff. And he said, we were in the car and he said, well, you really blew it, Ness. and that's all he that's all he said and that was it that was it that was it that was it and then it's just

like how do we how do we get through this together so it wasn't judgment and how dare you what an idiot what were you thinking right wow yeah you blew it yeah yeah did yeah and then from then on from that point on did your dad was your dad able to sort of give you nuggets of advice or was it just kind of like hey you blew it now you got to clean it up type vibe yeah surrounding us with helpful people yeah they were always there to support so having family and friends that believe there was like a local um they did a local parade in front of my house you know saying that love me i mean like our little town together so i had all that love to support yeah and then your brother i mean that's tough for you too chris i mean i'm not taking any of

this experience obviously is way gnarlier but as the younger brother too having to deal with that shit, of course you got in fights as a text of the person, you know, going to play tennis with my friends and then there's these cameras and everybody's watching you. Narnly, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was crazy. It was, it was crazy. Did you guys have conversations at that point, you know, where you had heart to hearts, or was it kind of you separated yourself a little bit from the whole thing?

I wish you had gone to Syracuse because I was only there for, I never went back. So you were there easily without me there. But her legacy is so strong in so many different things. She's been so successful in so many different arenas, you know, from film and stage and TV. You just have to find your like, you know, within your own being. So, you know, being in the same businesses, you know, a lot of times when I would get a role, they would say, oh, did you get it because of your sister? Or did you get, you know, so.

I don't know what that feels like. But, yeah. You're paving your own, you're paving your own, your own rooms. Oliver just hasn't gotten the rolls. What do you mean? I'm, I'm, I'm killing it. You're killing it. I know.

You are. What, what has been the most, like, like, for both of you, you know, it's like, because the arts are mercurial, you know, when you're in it. It's just constantly moving and changing. And one minute, everything is going great. And the next minute, you're, like wait what happened um what has been like the most for you defining moment in your career where you've been like oh i i can't believe i'm here right now one thing let me let me take this natural

we did uh Vanessa was nominated three times for will amina on ugly bedding for at three three ems and i got to be on her show playing her doppelganger uh so if you're going to had someone to do drag and be her the fact that we that we got to to act together we did it once before or twice before but to be able to be to do in scenes and work together on that show that was that was one of the things for me that was really really special that we could do that together mom love that yeah yeah Kate and I haven't done that yet I think she's a little nervous what about you Vanessa probably opening night of uh on Broadway uh starring in a kiss of the spider woman in 1994 uh I had all my family in the in the audience and my kids and

and my my fellow castmates from you know college and high school um and knowing that you're a New York kid taking the train in to see a Broadway show and I always in my high school yearbook. It says, I'll see you on Broadway. So the fact that I was like, okay, took, I had a gigantic detour, but starring on Broadway, I'm taking over from the legendary Cheater Rivera, who I adored everything she ever did. And, you know, she welcomed me. And I still have the stationery that she wrote said, welcome to the web and the big kiss. So that legend to pass on, like, here is a great show. You've got it in great hands. Fly. That was incredible.

Wow. And by the way, her birth announcement says here she is Miss America. No. That was the trippiest thing

ever. Stop. 63, yeah. Back then they used to do like, yeah. And it was a baby carriage and says here

she is Miss America. That's crazy. Oh my God, that's so weird. That is crazy. I was talking about how it affected me the stuff

from my senior picture yeah. For my senior picture for my year of a picture in high school. I was a really tiny kid I put on her gown

that she won Miss America and I posed in it like this and they wouldn't let me use it Oh my God, that's amazing That's amazing All right, before we go We do this thing With each other

which is a two-part question For each sibling Which is if there was one thing that you could take kind of alleviate from your sibling to make you think that would make their life just a little bit smoother, a little bit better, what would that be? And then the second part of that question is, is what is the thing that you would love to emulate more of that your sibling has? I would want to alleviate from your life the fear of moving on, because I know you're a big dreamer and I know that you've got you can be happy wherever you end up and I know

that it's scary to move and sell something you sell your house or move on and I know that's it's scary for anybody so I want to alleviate the fear of moving on to something spectacular and new love that I can relate to that and then what about emulate Vanessa I would want to emulate his, Chris is very gregarious. He talks to everybody. He knows everyone's first name. He gives chocolates to when he's checking into a hotel, the

staff, when he's on the airplane, the hostess. Everybody loves Chris. He does magic tricks everywhere he goes. So he always has an audience. So I would love and my mother said he was the fun one. I was the serious one. I would be

more fun like Chris. Yeah. Amazing. sounds like me. I would love to, if she could have her own Broadway show that was made just for her.

Like that was tailor made to her where she could, she's so fucking good at what she does. And to have something that's originated just for her that's I would love her to have that moment where she chooses to be able to do

whatever she wants to do whenever she wants to do it and be showcased for it. I would love her to have that. And, I'm telling you, this woman's so resilient. Her resiliency and her, you know, she works so hard at what she does and everybody, you know, talking to other people in her cast and other people to talk to her,

she's such a great example for being a number one on the call sheet type person that has to be worked just as hard as the person in the back. But she gives such a great example of being number one and making sure that everyone else is involved and everyone else feels included. It's pretty amazing. So Alice, her resiliency just from all she's gone through and to where she's brought herself to

is pretty incredible. Beautiful. Well, thank you guys. Thank you. Appreciate y'all. You got to go. Yeah. Have a good night.

Have a great show. Chris, it was so nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, Chris. Good talking to you guys. Nice to see you, Vanessa. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one.

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