Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Season Two: We're Back!

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

We are finally back for season two! Kate and Oliver catch up, share how their relationship has changed, chat about their families, and much more. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by:Helix Sleep (helixsleep.com/sibling)Hello Fresh (hellofresh.com/sibling16 PROMO CODE: sibling16)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the Chinatown Stang on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And would it's like to be siblings? We are a sibling revelry. No, no. Sibling rivalry.

Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling reverie. That's good. Oliver. Yes, we're back. We're back. I'm so excited about this. This is our first episode back.

It is our first episode of the season. First episode of the season. We've got a lot to catch up on. Oh, my God. Years. Years and years. Well, at least months. I mean, months.

And I'm excited because we've built up a great set of episodes that are coming your way. And now, Ollie and I get to kind of reconnect us to why the fuck we haven't been doing this. I know. I thought you were out, you know. You did? Oh, I had dark moments of. You know, there's a lot of pain. I'm not out.

Drinking whiskey, smoking cigarettes. That had nothing to do with me. You're right. Don't make that my issue. You're right. That is just your own, that's your like happy place. No, but it was, you know what? It was you had to do what you had to do.

You were a working woman, a working mother, dealing with so many things in Greece and Serbia. I had, it was good. It was fun for me, though. It was good. Because I got to have Aaron on, which was a blast. Yeah. I revealed a lot of secrets about myself.

I know I heard. I still haven't listened to the episode. Don't do it. Don't listen. Part of me feels like it's like I'm kind of like, I don't know if I want to listen to the episode of you and Aaron. There's no need. You know it all anyway. I'm going to listen.

You know what I want to hear Aaron. She's so damn cute. I can't stand it. I know. I literally can't. I just want to talk about Aaron for one second because she's just like the greatest human being who also has this like feisty. side that when it like shows itself which is crazy

yeah oh she can get she can get wild and crazy she can get white hot mean yeah oh yeah Aaron's a most sweet person but like

and then like something can happen and there could be like a little it's like a if you'd think she was a scorpio because she has that like scorpio but I just did her chart and she actually has a lot of fire in her chart and her north node

is in Leo and the north node is the direction in which we want to go in life not so cool with her north node being in leo why leo's like a handsome guy he's a fucking huge movie star and her you know she's her her node is her clitoris right is just that we're talking about no her north node is not in leo well that's what we call her clitoral region is her north node the north node oh my god

thank God our family is so crazy and open and fine with these things no so anyway so what the north node means the south node is where you came in from into this as we birthed into this world the north node is where we're headed and it's where we should be working towards going

They're the most interesting parts of our Zodiac signs because if you get really into it, you can get into sort of past lives and stuff like that if you're into this kind of thing. If you're not, you can just, whatever. Fast forward. But so her North North North North is going into Leo, which is a lot of fire.

And then she's got all these other signs and fires. So she's, it's going to be, these next couple of years are going to be interesting for Erin. Yeah. And what she needs to kind of focus on is really important. Let's talk about... Yeah, I may love to me. my wife this morning it was weird so we she woke me up at six before the kids went to school

which never ever ever happens and she she's she's standing over me she starts poking me and I'm like it's too early like the kids don't have to get up yet she's like slide over like what is happening right now she just had it and she it was a it was a thing I don't know it was crazy it was crazy like oh these like expressions of desire it just happened and then she like we didn't the side slide so she was like on her side i called out the sunday slider yes side side side's good everyone's comfortable you can put your head on a pillow yeah it's the it's the it's the one that you don't want to get you don't want to get too comfortable totally because it's the one that you like a month will go by and you're like has this been the position we've done every for the last i've been caught in the

side slide tornadoes yeah it's like this it's just around around like we're just doing fucking side you just switch sides totally exactly Oh my god It's literally It's so true It's like when you It's funny Because then you do have to recognize

It's yeah We got to break out of the yes This is lazy sex It's like going on the same hike Right Sometimes you got to go down the street Sometimes you got to like You know what

Let's do the hike Near Mallet Yeah Yeah It's a great analogy It's going on the same hike You're like there it is again Same little mountain top

Yeah You still get It's a workout. It's still nice. Yeah. Yeah. It's still outside. Exactly.

It's just not really like. Who doesn't want to go on a hike, but. This episode's called side slide. Yeah. I'm glad. Or Sunday slider. Sunday slider. Yeah.

So we've been gone for a long time. I know. So let's talk about our, how our relationship has been in this last year. Well, this show is bringing us back together. Yeah. We've been kind of like. It's been very apart, very separate. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank God. I know. It kind of we needed it. It was good. It was good. It was good to be away. It was really nice to be.

But I didn't see you forever. You were away in Europe. I mean, it's not an easy thing. No. And I was away in Albuquerque. I was so happy. I had these moments where I was like, it was like emotional for me to be in Europe

because after the pandemic and in the middle of all of this and traveling feels the anxiety that you have with travel and moving around like actually getting to Greece which is a place that I love that I've been going every year for 15 years and being able to work there it was like

I mean I literally like I sat outside and I looked at the ocean at the Aegean the beautiful magical Aegean sea and I was just like an emotional wreck because I love it there

and we had one of the best experiences we ever had we met some amazing new friends but but yeah so it was sort of like all of a sudden thrust into the way our life used to be and then but with a different perspective and i i just i don't know it was it was just magical and it's great well i was in colorado danny and i oh no you had pan oh oh that's right oh that's right you had to go back on your thing i know well let's not let's talk about my son i don't want to talk about I've already talked about it, actually. I've already talked about it.

I have. The listeners are caught up on my bullshit. But if anyone's concerned, I'm feeling great. You know what I was just thinking about when you were talking about your depression, you being, you know, having your anxiety and panic attacks? That when Danny and I used to go down at sunset and have our apparel spritz and play backgammon. on the beach and we would walk down to the beach and we would bring our back and bring, you know,

a big thing, a cocktail, you know, you know how you do when you're walking, just make sure everything's there so you don't have to like, if you forget something, it's the worst thing in the world, you know, go back to the car, wherever. And then we would get down there and, like, the water would be just glass. And the sun would go down

and we would just, can just be together on the beach and then we get in the water and just sit there. my depression because weren't you connecting these two things? Not at all. I was just trying to get off the subject. Oh, I thought you were connecting it. I was like, you would think about your depression. I don't care. I care so

much. I was just trying to think of something like beautiful. You know? That's funny. No, yeah. And the thing is, you know who I missed being there? Who? You and your wife. Yeah, would have been fun. And the boys and the girl.

and the lady the lady bag Ali let's talk about what we're looking forward to this season that we're doing and why we're changing this from every day to the seasons and what we've like curated this year

for this season scheduling okay but I also think that if we're doing it every day it can get monotonous in a sense I want to create we want to create eight to ten episodes that are kick ass

if we wanted to streamline it with our schedule schedule and everything and so that we could actually be more consistent so that we knew exactly when everything was going to come out. Yeah, we just want to give you the best product and the best product is us when we're fresh and vibrant and ready to fucking party. You know, we were not. Are you ready to fucking party all over?

Yeah, I'm ready to party. Are you like? I'm excited. I'm excited to be back doing this with you again because we did get separated. We did drift apart. I feel like these are songs that like. We didn't drift apart, but here's the beauty of it. The beauty is that our family, I think, in general,

we don't have to talk every single day to stay connected. It just is there. You can go do your thing. I can go do my thing, and then you get together, and then boom, it's right there. Yeah. It's low maintenance. I like low maintenance family.

You think our family's low maintenance? For the most part? Okay. I mean, think about it. Like, for the most part. Of course, there's all. Oh, you shit. It's where it's a family.

Are you crying? No. I have like a thing in my eye. Yeah, right. There's nothing about the maintenance of our family that makes me weepy. I don't think it's super high maintenance. No, I agree with you. Like, our family always picks up where we leave off and then...

Yeah, if you don't talk to mom for a week or whatever, it's fine. Yeah, but our family, like, if I don't talk to mom for two weeks, it's weird. I guess, yeah. Right? I mean, but do you ever get shit about it? Do you want to know what mom and I did today? We both went and had colonics at the same time and FaceTimed each other. Oh, my God.

It was just, she's like, I'm going to go get a colonic. I'm like, I'm coming too. And so I went and we're in different rooms, obviously. I think the Kalonic Center might have to do like a couple's colonic room, but just for me and mom. Great idea. Great idea. They're like, oh, Goldie. Kate, most people don't really like to be in the same room during colonics.

You're like, well, we're different. We're like, yeah, well, some of us, some of us. Dueling colonics. Well, it's great that you and mom can do that. It's kind of where we're happiest connecting. I should not do that with mom. That would not be. That would be weird.

But my point is that we're not a high maintenance family, meaning we don't need a lot. You can go without talking about. why you can go without talking to boston you can go without talking to and you just pick up where you left off no one is like why didn't you call me i need your support i need you right now and you're not paying attention to me yeah that kind of stuff yeah we're not like that but i will say that when our family is is is firing on all cylinders there's pretty much nothing better i love when we fire on all cylinders i know i just got that image in my head i know it's like when everyone's rocking and it's like the energy's up and no one's fighting

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We have our first... The first kid is 18. My son is a grown... Considered a grown adult. I mean, I would maybe question why we consider 18-year-old. But, you know, I have adults, but I have these moments

where I'm watching him and I'm like, when I was 18, I mean, girls I think are very different than boys. When I was 18, it was like... I feel like I, like, lived on my own. I feel like I was already gone. Mm-hmm.

I felt very independent. My life started. But what's happening with Ryder is that he's a much more of a home body than I was as growing up. You know, he loves being home. He loves the safety of being with, he's a total mama's boy in a very, in a good way, not in a weird way. And what I mean by in a good way is that he is independent. He does, he's not like, he doesn't have anxiety going out in the world. but he likes to be home, he likes to be fed, you know, he likes, he likes the amenities.

He likes the amenities and he likes the connection. Yeah. But I'm getting nervous about, I am, I am a couple months away from his graduation. Mm-hmm. And I don't even know. He can do whatever the hell he wants right now. I don't even know how to like process it. I mean, you could cut him off and just keep him here.

Well, the thing is for me, that's the easy part for me. Cutting him off actually feels easier to me than probably most parents. It's the when to accept that it's okay to keep him. You know, I've already kind of talked this through when he goes to college. You know, I'm going to give him a living wage. I've got to make a plan with him. We've got to, like, talk plan. And the plan is that I have.

an expectation and with that expectation comes my support my financial support but i am fucking strict with these things if he doesn't want to share in that then he's going to have to go out into the world figure it out yeah but she will i mean i believe that he will like what if what if he's like you know what mom i love you but i don't want to play by your rules anymore i'll do it myself i'll be excited for him and on my side of things i've got a teenager who's A teenager. Yeah, he's a very... He's going into his tall chabang.

And he's more of a teenager than Ryder was as a teenager. Oh, yeah, his hair, his clothes, his whole thing. His whole vibe. This little, like, disgusting, dirty little mustache. Ew. Yeah, I know. They all have them. I'm like, dude, wilder was like, just shave it off.

I know. He came out to dinner and one of his friends had the same weird mustache. Yeah, they're all growing these weird little, like... There's that great, it was in Almost Famous, that shot when they're going across and all the kids were like brushing their hair, teenage, like, adolescent growing into manhood. And then it like goes down to William and he's just like so little. Yeah. It's crazy, though, how it's like looking in a mirror.

Everything is back. The 90s is back in full force. Yeah, they're loving the 90s. Everything we wore. Now all the kids are in. They all look the same as we did. They're all look the same. And now they're all into tagging.

So I spent, like, an hour last night going over Wilder's tag and which one he's going to do. Is it going to be zero or is it going to be – it was between zero and then Frosty. And they both look cool. Like, be really beautiful. Like, he did him really well. But he's like, Dad, I don't know. I should do zero or Frosty and going over all the letters? Frosty feels more like him.

Zero feels like he's trying. Frost he feels like Wilder But he had one that's fear I'm like no dude It looks cool But you can't be fear Like that's not you in any way The kids like mom gave him

The golf cart You know and the kids like Put all the stuff on On LEDs and like decals and stuff And one of the decals says most hated And I know And I looked and I was like guys This is so not cool

It's like the most uncool thing And Wilder's like no I know I know The thing is Anticate I thought it said most wanted I was like right I go also not cool wilder it's also not like put a band name

or something up there you know Right I know Most wanted Well also mom Like in like Who's so positive She goes honey I just don't think it's

It's so negative Riding around with That the things is most hated Like Well it's also like you're in like There's like the age range In this area where You know

It's like 55 and up. Oh, yeah. And the kids are rolling around with like... LED lights. LEDs, Cobra's all over this thing. They've modded it out. We couldn't find the thing that opened our door

because we have like a lever that we need to do that's a lock lever and it kind of looks like this big lever. Oh yeah, Ryder took it as a fake... Yeah, and he put it as a fake clutch or whatever e-break in the thing. But I will say that I love the creativity, honestly. I know. It's great. It's so great.

They're having so much fun. Working on it. Like the speaker that changes colors. Yeah, they're lighting it up. To me, that's so much better than them being on their stupid phones. Yeah, and they're like putting, they're being creative. They're like taking the pen and getting rid of all the chips and the black paint. Oh, yeah.

They're basically drawing up. Well, with rider driving now, too, it's just so great because any excuse to go buy something. And while I was like, hey, dad, look, I'm going to the mall, rider. Okay, go ahead. They like go cruise the mall. Yeah, riders like, yeah, I'm going with all the boys. I'm like, okay, hold on a second. You mean you and Wilder are going,

Bodie and Bing will stay. But they have such a beautiful relationship, and they always have. We always talk about the cousins, but how just even as they get older, it just changes and gets stronger. Yeah, and also like when we ever we have, and whenever we have difficult things,

I think the one thing, because all families have those moments with kids that you have to rally around. you know and when those moments happen with our kids as you and I as brother and sister we have a very similar like we're we're supportive of each other there's no like judgment or bias it's a good point it's like even though we do things differently there's a respect there without a doubt and like I think the kids it's good for them that we're different like it's good for them that we're different but at the same time when that when it comes that when moments are challenging like we're We are similar. Yeah. We are about talking things out and like really being transparent about, you know, the way that we feel and sharing, sharing and then having boundaries. Yeah.

No, I know. I'm not going to say, we won't say what it is, but Wilder went through a moment here at your house. When I was away on location, I got a call from you. And he was just devastated. Yeah. Because he had done something that he was extremely guilty about. Which wasn't even. It's like whatever.

It's not crazy. But like, for him, it was. He felt like he was betraying, and, you know, he didn't want to get other people in trouble. And it was a whole thing. And he was, you know, just crying. Like, I'd never heard him cry. Yeah. But those moments, it handled right as good for him.

It was good for him. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think that the whole thing, parenting is hard. I mean, we were just talking about this, who was it, that we were saying, I was reading. Maybe I was reading it in something. Or maybe it was one of the people that we actually talked to this season. but we were talking about how it's inevitable, oh, it was Dr. Epstein, it was Mark.

How it's inevitable that there's things in your childhood that your parents are going to make mistakes doing. Like everybody, nobody comes out of their being raised like without something to have to manage for themselves. There's always going to be something. There's no perfect parenting, right? Never. But the one thing I can say that we, I think, do really,

I hope we do really well. is provide a forum for the kids to know that when they do disappoint, the feeling is they let us down because they know they shouldn't have. Which every kid, I think the thing that is scary as a parent is when they don't feel that way.

Mm-hmm. Is when there's no remorse. When there's no remorse or there's no sort of reflection. But yeah, you're right. That's a good point because in it and that feeling of not, of letting. you down doesn't come from a place of us on them all the time like if you do this you're gonna fucking let me down it's not about that it's just about the natural respect i think that they

have yeah there's a level of freedom that we give them right when not sort of becomes disrespected or something happens that might sort of it you know they feel bad they feel bad that they put themselves in that situation because they know Oh, they want to do better. Yeah, with my kids, it's just about telling the goddamn truth. I mean, that is it. If they tell me the truth when I ask them, they're good. I would, I tell a while, like, I would never get angry at you if you just tell me the truth.

And then he said, well, dad, what do you expect me to, like, come home from a friend's house and just tell you, my dad, everything? I said, honestly, dude, no. I don't even, I'm not, I don't expect that. I don't expect you to come home and say, hey, I had a beer tonight, or I had a shot of tequila or whatever, no. But when I ask you, and I'm not going to ask you every second, but when I do, just be up front and tell me the truth. I sometimes, I think my approach might be different because, like, I don't want the kids. Like, I think it's, I think it's in our nature to do things that our parents don't know about. Of course.

But I think that the thing is, is that I think there does need to be a sense of trust, meaning that, that the things that they are going to do aren't going to get in the way of the things that they need to show up for, right? And if something, you know, like, I know this sounds weird, but like if you're dumb enough to get caught, we got a problem.

And that problem for me isn't necessarily about transparency, but it's about trust and it's about, and then it's about boundaries. And, you know, like I don't, well now riders riders riders right yeah that's a totally different thing so but but with but you you went through it though with rider and meaning you had moment those moments i did wasn't as old as he is right right rider but rider i mean i feel like i got really lucky with rider you know rider wasn't you know he was so easy um i don't know i think every parent deals with these things differently some

some you know and like i remember growing up like there were kids we would go over to their house and like you'd walk in you'd think there was no parent there like weed would be everywhere there'd be like bong hits like people would be like oh my god and you're like oh my god there's a party whose parents are at town and then like a parent would walk and be like guys

hey like I just got back like you guys have fun at night and then they're like go in their bedroom and you'd be like what house is like this? Yeah yeah like some friends that we grew up with parents didn't care about any of it. Nope. Then others were like

Mrs. Mr. Strict, you know, kids that couldn't need the house, they had to like, you know, come in at a certain time, they didn't know exactly to talk to the, like, that parent would have to talk to mom or pa to make sure someone was at the house. You know what I mean? Our parents were kind of in the middle. middle I try to be in the middle I always try to remember that I was fucking 14 years old I try not to be hypocritical I want to be a parent and also

understanding at the same time you know and I think about it when we were 14 we weren't doing anything different than what the kids are doing now some of them of course are way over the top but I'm talking about specifically if my kids at 14 were doing

what you were doing at 14 I would be well 14 Let me see. 14. I wasn't crazy at 14. No. I mean, I was, I got drunk.

I got really drunk at 12. And I drank a huge bottle of Jack Daniels, not understanding how much liquor to drink. And I remember I was so sick, I was trying to crawl in the dirt. I was like literally trying to dig into the dirt. And I had alcohol poisoning, and I slept in my friend John's mom's dad.

Maybe that's why for the rest of your life, you've had that, like, weird hangover. thing maybe you destroyed your liver really young well because i didn't drink that much i'd say like 15 you know 16 started to smoking a little weed smoking cigarettes so at 13 or 14 you know what i mean yeah it was never it was never nuts yeah it was just right on track i was like i was like 16 17 is when it got out of control you know i was literally at 14 i was like ready to have like a little martini at the Carlisle bar I'm like working on my PowerPoint

I was like I was like ready to have my own apartment in the city Right well we were dad Remember dad was when we were seeing him He was like you would like order like a shablee lunch That was dad's joke

It was also so like weird because I didn't even understand what he was talking about Right I don't know I remember that It's like he'll have a shabli It's like, is that like an insult? It's for the waiter.

He loved insulting me, our father. It's great. Did wonders for my psyche. It's the way he showed love. Yeah. I was Ediamine's daughter and ordered Shabli at lunch. I was like, I was like four. No, remember dad said that we were delivered by a stork.

Yeah, he kept saying I was adopted. And that, and that Ediamine was our real father. That's funny. It's so dark and like fucked up. But, yeah, I try to remember that I was that age and parent accordingly. Anywho, this is to kickoff, kickoff up to the new season. I love talking about our kids. We've got a million, not a million yet, like 900,000, amazing guests.

Oh, yeah. That will be. 900,000. Yeah, 900,000. We're booked out for the next 100 years. 100 years. And, yeah, and I'm excited. I'm excited to share with you everything that we've been putting together, and Ollie and I are...

We're back in the saddle. We're back. And I'm riding a buckskin. What are you riding? Well, I mean, that would be usually what I ride. What do you mean? I called it. Yeah, but I had a buckskin.

Yeah, but you're probably like a palo. I actually rode... You're on a palomino. All right. A palomino, but bud was a buckskin. I know, but you got to be on palomino because I already called the buckskin. Okay. Or, you know what?

Maybe I'll just be on a... Black stallion. That's fine. Bearback? Hot. I love... That didn't come out the way it was meant to. All right.

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Rate the show and leave us a review. This show is powered by Simplecast. Hi, I'm Jennifer Lopez, and in the new season of the Over comfort podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? Join me for conversations about healing and growth,

all from one of my favorite spaces. The Kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcombered podcast on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness. I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the powerful stories I'll be mining on our upcoming 12th season of family secrets. We continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings' appearance on The Puzzler with A.J. Jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining listening experience in podcast land?

Jeopardy-truthers believe in... I guess they would be Ken Spiracy. theorists. That's right. They give you the answers and you still blew it. The Puzzler. Listen on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.