Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Secrets and Sisters with the McCarthy Sisters

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

The revelry continues as Kate and Oliver welcome TV icon Jenny McCarthy and her sister Lynette to the podcast.The siblings pull no punches when they reveal how they hashed out their differences growing up. Plus, find out what Jenny did to keep her Playboy spread a secret and how her sister came to the rescue when her parents finally found out!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Jenna Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcomfit Podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcomber podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson.

We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory.

That's good. Oliver, I love our next guest. I have not met her more than her. Her siblings. I wanted to make love to her. Oliver Hudson. Stop saying these things. I did.

I wanted to make love to her. I get it. Jenny McCarthy. I get it. Hot, hot, hot. iconic. iconic. Jenny McCarthy.

Yeah. And always like, always like, you know, topical somehow. Always ends up being topical. Unafraid. Unafraid. Says what she wants. Yep. Yes, what she wants.

Yep. I'm excited to speak with her. I know, and her sister, Lynette, we're about, you know what, you can ask. I'm sure. You ask. No. Just ask her. Just say, are you?

No, she's already coming. See, I love how they just, we're just letting people come in. I know, but she's. Hello. Hello. Hi. Hi, girls. Oh, my gosh.

Lynette, I was looking at your picture on here, and I was like, you look, this picture. looks like Kristen Wigg. Oh my God, I thought it was Kristen. Everyone said that. I thought we were interviewing Kristen Wig. I was like, is Jenny's sister, Kristen Wigg? I get that all the time. Every time I post a video of us doing something, they're all like, oh my God, I didn't know

you know, Kristen Wigg. I'm like, it's my fricking sister. That is funny. Where are you guys right now? St. Charles, Illinois. Oh, you're Illinois. Are you, where are you from originally? Chicago

from the South Africa I'm doing an accent I'm doing a Wisconsin accent in my next movie Are you? Are you? So I'm currently You've been practicing?

Yeah. Can I hear it? Well, I'm just learning how to do it So it's sort of like I do lots of eyes You leave very soon to do this movie Well, it's about a month And I say, you know, hard

And all of those things And I do it You know, I'm learning how to do it I'm getting pretty good at it You know what? You just have to watch them bargo again. Fargo. You know.

But that's in Wisconsin, but it's kind of it's. Wisconsin doesn't do the oz. They don't do, right? They're like more nasally. Yeah. We're nasally. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think me more than you. Yeah. But I don't want it to be like a caricature, you know, where I'll have a said, and I'm talking in like this, you know. No, it's got to be subtle.

It's got to be subtle. Yes. It's got to be subtle. So you guys, why are you in Illinois right now? I live here. Yeah, I lived in. I grew up here. Then I moved to L.A. for 20 years.

And then I was like, I need to get the hell out of the city. So about 14 years ago, I came back. And then Donnie came to visit me. When we started dating, he fell in love with the area. So it was like, and then she was living in. Where were you? I was in California for 20 years. And then when Jenny came back, I kind of followed.

Wow He just went home Is it home? Yeah Is it oh That's so How far where are you from Chicago? About an hour

Yeah Okay So you have I want to get out of L.A Aren't you in New York for a while though? I was I will I We did

My home base was Chicago But I flew every week to New York And back back Literally every week for seven years So Don I did your show It's serious a while back But I was smart because I went to the boss and I was like, listen, I'm a mom.

I need to be a mom. I'm thinking so much. Can I have, can I do the show from home Mondays and Fridays? So this way I have a long, you know, weekend with my son in two extra days. And then I come to New York for those other days to be a mom. And then so when you're doing the Masked Singer, where is that in L.A.? That's L.A. So you just come in for a couple weeks, do it and then go back up.

Fun. I just had dinner. I just had dinner with Ken. with Ken last night. I was with Ken last night. Can I tell you, did you know that we do a Barbie episode? Yes. Okay. So Ken has never been more excited to be Ken in our freaking Barbie episode. They gave him an opening on this episode. It was like the Oscars. You know the Oscars gives us like this grand opening? It is Barbie. Barbie. They have a big giant Barbie towel. I'm like, hey, I've got Barbie hair and I get shunned to the side. I don't get anything. You're like, I am Barbie.

he i had never gotten to hang out with him he is the sweetest man he is so nice he is so nice and so sweet and we were out at dinner with a bunch of people and we got into like such a deep conversation whenever i have a bump or rash i'll just lean over and be like can you tell me what this thing crazy transition of careers to go from doctor so i think he started out comedy right yeah no you stand up you know Yeah. No, I know. All right. Ladies, how many siblings are there? How many Macarthees? Four altogether. Four girls. Four. Four girls. Yeah. And what's the, what's the order? I'm the oldest. Then there's me and then Jojo and then Amy. And we're all two years apart. Linette, Jenny, Jojo, Amy.

Wow. Oh, my. Okay. How is that household? Oh, that's what I was to say. We live in a household. that had one bathroom at one time. Yeah. One bathroom. So my dad would get up for work and be like, get out. So we'd all have to scramble. But my mom was also a hairdresser. So she kind of groomed us to always care about our hair.

So you can hear the Chicago accent, hair. If you keep, we should care about the hair. And we would get our hair buffeted, done, permed, you know, every single day. And it was every, I mean, the house was literally like the most insane beauty parlor. There was like a film of Allset on everything, Aquanette, on everything. Yeah, yeah. That's so cute. Would you guys do each other's hair or was it?

No, no. We had way different styles. Me and her were so polar opposite. It was like a cartoon character. It was like Darya and her sister. It was like, she was like, I call it goth. Yeah, I think it was like, we called it alternative back then. Mm-hmm. Emo.

Yeah, I was, like, into the Smiths, Morrissey, still somebody in my room. Yeah, I mean, I love Madonna. You know what I mean? I like the broths. I mean, it couldn't make more sense. I was just looking at you guys. Totally, you know. Oh, that's so, I mean, that's, oh, that's the best.

So it was the 80s, right? And so you would be dressing in a certain way that represented a certain 80s look, and you were a totally different 80s look. I had the perm and the big giant bangs and the big blonde hair sprays and she had one side shaved off in like a lot. And then in high school, we didn't get along. I mean, our fights are pretty epic.

You'll never hear fights like the ones we have. Really? Oh, my God. But we went to all-girl Catholic school. She would never even say hello to me. We'd pass each other in the hallway. She'd be like, I don't know you. Like, never said hi to me, would acknowledge me unless she came after me in a fight,

which that was our, you mean like physical fights, like fist fights. I punched her once in the nose. I threw something and heard her nose once, but it was a lot more emotional damage to each other. It's funny because we were polar opposites, but it was always about clothes because Jenny would always steal my clothing. and it would just go completely missing. I'd never see it again. And then I found out that she was hiding it in a cooler in the garage. So he had my entire wardrobe in a cooler.

And someone that was like ruined and damaged because, you know, underage drinking, she would go out into a party, get sick on a sweater. And then just store it. And then store it. That is so funny. jumping ahead here but you guys are obviously in love now right okay so you know at what point does that rift get healed turn that up you know what I mean huh probably when we had children oh so that that late kind of I know yeah you know I mean it wasn't like oh we're 18 or 19 or 20 and

like no I love you no when our separate ways in life we we would see each other for maybe holidays, but we didn't, we weren't really chummy with each other. And then you're right. We kind of had kids. Our lives settled. We went through divorces. And then Jenny moved back here for one reason. I moved back for another. And then right now we live eight minutes from each other. So that really brought us closer together. And it's so nice to have family that close. So I think that just kind of like improved our relationship. It's it. And the weird thing is we're both, our tastes are still so polar opposite, especially with men. But, And in clothes and, like, I would never, ever go for the mullet hairstyle that's in right now.

You know what I mean? Whereas she, and look at, I'm still trying to be Barbie. But we're so in our personalities. That's what's so weird that I only, I enjoy being with her more than anybody besides my husband. You know what I mean? Like, well, Jenny, hold on. Give your assessment of what kind of a man that she is into. Okay.

And how it might differ from you or no, then, then, then Lynette, you can do the op, then you can do the same. for her what are they called it you know the spotnik guys are like oh wait you mean from a long time ago like mike meyer's did yes i know exactly wasn't it like chris katan sprockets no it was a sprocket oh yeah it's hilarious like very still alternative very new age um someone i would like never go for in a million years like it's funny because i think like i really go on personality not to insult anybody. We're watching the Sprocket.

Yes, the Sprocket. Exactly. I hate to say anybody that I dated that I go for personality because that kind of excludes their looks. But I've been really lucky to date, you know, good personality and a good-looking guy. But I think I've had a really broad spectrum of guys that I dated. I don't think I could pigeonhole one in particular. No, you have a variety, just a variety of not my types. Right.

Yeah, that's true. what's your what's your types i know you're married but like you know um you know it that kind of varied too but it went from like in on the south side of chicago the italian boys with the gold chains and their italian horns whereas everything and they're pretty much that yeah like this italian that was pretty much it and then um and i still kind of had that and then um and then i met donnie and he was more like the irish scottish kind of guy and i i'm irish so it was kind of like, I wasn't like, I wasn't following new kids on the block, you know, growing up. But when I met him, I completely fell in love with them our first conversation.

So it was like, he had the whole package. But that matter, he wasn't Italian, is what I'm saying. So where, so what about your parents? Like, what was, what did they do? What, what did your dad do as your mom do? And were they together for a long time? You know, very, we grew up in a very middle class. you know, household. Money was kind of always an issue. I felt like we lived paycheck to paycheck

for the most part. My mom was more a mom than she was looking for a career. So her money was sort of very limited in what she made. And my dad, honestly, he was much the same. He had a job, but it was just to be a job. It wasn't like this glorious career of any sort of. He worked at a steel plant. And my mom was a hairdresser. So we were tied on money. She'd be like, I don't have any money for dinner. So she'd go on the front steps. I don't know if you remember, but she'd have like a neighbor would walk by and she'd be like, Frank, you could really use a trim on your bangs. So he'd come and inside and be like, you know what, you're right. And then he'd give her five bucks and then she'd go to the grocery store and buy some ground beef. Like she was a hustler and I think a lot

from that, you know, watching like, I got to do a perm on somebody, you know, to make some money. That is the weird thing. We talked about this. What did you, what a hairspray did you say? Aquanette. We used to have a, um, we used to have a People come over and actually have their hair done in our kitchen. So I said we woke up in the morning on Saturdays and two ladies would come and get these big bouffant hairdos. We'd be eating our cereal with this cloud of like aquanette in the kitchen. But people had perms in our kitchen sink.

People got haircuts. It's a strange thing. Plus our kitchen wasn't big. It was literally like 10 by 10. Yeah. We had a family of six with a table that only sat three. Yeah, that's true. So we would eat dinner on the floor in the living room.

Well, yeah, that's right, in the living room. Yeah. And was that bothering? Would it bother you? You didn't know me better. It was just what it was. I didn't realize it until later. I was like, oh, shit, we were poor.

Yeah. I got to tell you, one of the better stories of our childhoods, we used to have pizzas delivered as one would to our house. We found out, like, years later, that this one pizza place, the guys would actually come and deliver the pizzas, and they were casing the homes that they got to go into to get paid. And after we heard this, we were a little disappointed that they never thought about robbing us. We didn't have a thing. And you don't realize how poor you are until you, you know, find another person, you know, when you get older.

Yeah. You're like, oh, wow, that's what having money looks like. Yeah, yeah. feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this

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Hey guys, it's Stephanie Beatriz and Melissa Fumerro, and this is more. better. We are jumping right in and ready to hear from you. Your thoughts, your questions, your feelings about socks with sandals. And we're ready to share some possibly questionable advice and hot takes. God, that sucks so hard though. I'm so sorry. Can you out petty them? Can you match their pettiness for funsies? Yeah. We had so much fun last season, laughing, crying, talking to some new and old friends. Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were just supposed to hug and I was standing. Oh yeah? And I was like, Can I also hug them?

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Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better? Listen to more better on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. now did you feel like growing up like did you fall into certain roles like did you since your parents were working a lot did you guys have to take care of each other at all our mom was more or less a stay-at-home mom yeah pay customers on the weekend here and there yeah so no I mean I think I just assumed I think as being the oldest I thought I would I had like a little bit more of a like a authoritarian role like I would tell my sisters what they needed to do in the house I think they resented me for that.

Yeah, we did. Yeah. But I don't think that we, I think it was just me being the oldest. The hierarchy made me feel like I had more responsibility. I assumed it. Do you remember seeing on, you can see it on social media where they say like, look at the first born and look at the second born. And they see like literally hanging off monkey bars. And that is literally us.

Like Lynette was very kind of focused and I was the kind of the black sheep. Well, you know what? The big thing is I always played by the rules. And I'm still trying to break out of that. And Jenny didn't know there were rules. That's literally how we lived our lives. What do you, what do you attribute that to? You know what I mean?

Is it just, that's just nature? Obviously, nurture maybe no, your parent. No, yeah, because we're the opposite. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's just, I guess it's just who you are. I think I probably had a lot to do with birth order for one thing. I do think that, you know, being the, you know, follow these rules. And they would watch me to make sure that I was.

the one adhering to those and then as the the girls kept getting popped out jenny had less and less so you know people overseeing her and then it was even less with jojo and leh so jojo and amy are they just completely bonkers feral human beings no no no i was still i still win the award for the black sheep yeah like that was you know coming home with hickies on my neck stealing who's drinking in the park and yeah yeah hair hair just got hot higher and higher and smoking cigarettes and I was the one that smoked you know but did you guys get into fights like bad fights as siblings or no well we were younger we did yeah it wasn't like screaming it was just sort of disregarding it was a lot of slamming doors yeah I didn't want anything to do with

her and she wanted everything to do with me it was more traumatic and sad yes exactly at least at least with a fight you know you're paying attention to the other person in the godfather when And Keaton's just looking through, just whizzing and the door just closes on her face. Right. It was definitely more tragic. Ours were traumatic and scarring. I'm, I mean, four girls, it sounds like it would be a lot. Are they still traumatic?

Like, is it still when you think back on something? Or you're still like, oh, shit, man. We're adults now. There's a few scars on my heart still. I mean, we should share some of them if you don't mind because they're kind of epic. yeah oh oh let's get into it well there's two that are equal i know one's got to be the underwear yeah and the other one is is tis tis tony okay yes i know these two yes which ones which one is the go for the least traumatizing so the least traumatizing was i had a high school sweetheart named tony

he was the love of my life he was my johnny loves chachi he was everything okay i dated him for a total of like five, six years. So I'm on the sofa with him. And I must have stole a piece of clothing over her or something that she was really pissed still about. And she literally, I'm going to imitate it right now. And you can stay there. I'm going to be Lynette. And she comes in and does this. Hey, Tony. Jenny talked to Bobby on the phone last night for three hours. And just went up. Oh my God. Before I am vilified. This would have been a regular thing where. I don't really feel there was a lot of punishment for the destruction of my attire. And the clothing that I was collecting was with babysitting money.

So my little wardrobe was all I could afford. And to have somebody constantly pinching it and taking it, I didn't have any repercussions because my mom didn't see the value in it. So the only way of getting back at her was emotionally. Emotional damage. Emotionally, exactly. Just annihilate pure. emotional annihilation.

If you're at that age, you remember how everything was like the biggest in the world? And he was the, my life, my husband was out. So to have that was just, it was, that was, that was. What did Tony, how did Tony react? We might have even almost broke up. I can't even remember.

It was, how do you come back from that as a sister? Like, how do you redeem yourself? You mean, her or me? Yeah, Lynette. I don't, I don't. There wasn't. Yeah, I don't think. And that's like, I didn't give a shit and I still don't.

I never have. I never have. I think when my forensic sweater that cost me $40 and I had to save up for an entire month with babysitting money got, yeah, it's okay. I'm sorry too. When he got it back and it had a puke wine stain on it, I kind of thought, no holes barred. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how did that, how did that devolve into a horrible fight, meaning like, then, you

know, Tony leaves, and then you come full force, Jenny screaming, like, what the fuck? Are you, hysterically crying, getting, then I'd go to my mom, and then my mom would get mad at her. Yeah. And it would just go on from there. And then I would be planning my revenge somehow, somehow way. I would try to be getting her back. But the one that, I mean, there's so many, but there's the one that's the high school one, you like to preface how it's began.

So why don't you do it? You mean to just talking about the underwear episode? about my drawer. Yes. Okay. I started doing my laundry by myself in the sixth grade because of this theft. And I thought if I could at least have control over the clothes going from the washer, the dryer folding and then putting in my drawers, I would have control over that.

I then went so far as put a padlock on my door. So this is how bad. They got bad. Holy shit, it got bad. Jenny. Oh, my God. So now, see, now you understand. I do.

I'm starting to understand. Well, I went in my drawer one day, and I see that my next pair of underwear, which were my, you know, Sunday through, what is it, Saturday kind of underwear, I see that Wednesday's missing. And I'm like, what day of the week is it? I'm like, eh, my underwear, it's Wednesday. I go, we're in the hell. Oh, I know where my Wednesday underwear is. It's on Jenny. And I was livid.

Because you can take a sweater, but wearing my underwear. And then she also knew I figured out how to break into the room. Yes, the pedlock. That's another thing. So we were in all-girls Catholic high school wearing uniforms. And so I knew, she started earlier than me. So I got there before classes changed over. And it was almost like I was like, was it lying in wait?

I was hiding in like the darkness of a classroom that wasn't occupied. She was waiting for me for all the classes to come out into the hallway. So there was many people as possible before she attacked. So she's the biggest stage ever Got it, smart, smart And I knew where her locker was So I waited And then there she comes down the hall

Goes to her locker to start with her combination I slowly walk up behind her I grab the bottom of her skirt And yank it up over her head And she holds it there and she's flailing around Trying to get her skirt down And I say, you're wearing my underwear Oh my

in front of everyone and I can't get my skirt down because she's with all of her might and screaming on top of the lines oh and like I'm turning around people going like all the girls and I'm giant oh wow that is big it was big it was horrible I'm picturing underwear with literally like the Wednesday it says Wednesday on the ass like Was it on the tissue? No, I didn't usually. It was on a push. Yeah, it was on a touch.

So did your under or actually say Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday on the underwear? Those are girls like those little things. I have, I still have my weak, weak dandies. What if you wear like a Tuesday on a Saturday? I do that all the time. We didn't have, we didn't have a lot of money. So I always got her bras as hand me down to anyways. So it's like, I'm like, well, what's the difference?

I'm out of underwear. I might as well break in. What she didn't know about the padlock is I never figured off the number combination. I just unscrewed where the screws were holding the lock. Right. Took the screws down, opened the door, and then screwed it back in. Talk about gas lighting. I literally would go in my drawer and start to see things were missing.

And I'm thinking, I didn't wear that. I had no idea where things were going until it was underwear. Then I figured it out. Wow. But how about your other sisters? I mean, where were they when this was all going on? Were they a part of the madness? They just watched in horror. They didn't, they didn't fight like this. It was only us to like, we really thought that, I mean, there were times where we really wanted to kill each other. Like the fact, if someone would have told us back then, in the future, you guys are going to be greatest friends? We'd be like, no. I'd be like, what alien came and kidnapped my soul and put me as a clone? because I will never be friends with this human being. But, but, but you, so you had kids, but was there, there's no need for reconciliation when your siblings unless it's really, really bad.

You know what I'm saying? Unless there was for you guys. Like, you know, Kate and I had our differences and we fought, but we just kind of matured into each other. Yeah. You know, I mean, was that similar or was it like, you know what? Like, I fucking actually love you a lot and let's make a go at a real relationship. Yeah, was it, was it more intentional?

No, I don't think it's just, it slowly became like a friendship. Like, oh, we have, we actually have things in common. And we kind of sounded like, and sometimes we say this exact same thing at the exact same time. And it's true. You know what? When you can go somewhere and you feel like you don't have to talk and just be yourself and still be entertained. Like she'll come over and we might not even speak, but it's like, what a great visit. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are the best. That's the best. That is the best kind. when you don't have to say a fucking word. Yeah. And there's no like thing. Like I went over to Oliver's the other day and I was like, get more steaks because

we'll come over for dinner. He like got one steak. Couldn't feed any of my family. No, I could have. Danny and Ronnie came too. I didn't know they were coming. The three would have fed you. But I was just like, I just like left.

She left. Not before she started cleaning my, cleaning the, doing the dishes, saying, oh, your house is disgusting. She's going up to the bedroom, seeing like, Oliver, like, what is going? on here. It was disgusting. I'm like, my wife is in New York for five days. I'm doing the best I can as far as the cleaning and the kids and the cooking and everything else. Oh, God. She immediately comes in like, what is this? It also has like a smell of like just like we don't, we didn't, nothing moves. No, right. And I'm like, hey, just stagnant. Just get out of here. Just stagnant smell. Just leave.

Leave me alone. I mean, I will say there was one memory I have and just one memory of at, actually it's like two. I'll go to the the one where I thought that she really came through in our youth. And it was, I posed for Playboy back in the day. And I went to an all-girl Catholic school. My dad worked two jobs to put us through Catholic school. I have three aunts that are nuns, a couple uncles that are priests, like it goes on and on and on. Oh my God.

The fact that I would pose, but I didn't know how to get to L.A. to make my dreams come true because I was $20,000 in debt from college. And I'm like, this is all I got, got to do it. So I took the money that I got from Playboy and I sent my parents on a cruise. So they didn't have to be around when the magazine came out. So if there was any local news, they would be gone. So I wrote my mom and dad a letter saying, listen, please forgive me. I know it's probably come out, but I have to, I'm in Los Angeles right now because

Playboy made me fly out there to do an appearance. But I'm going to just trust me, I'm going to make good of this. I'm going to do what I love and I'm going to pay you guys back and buy you a house and all these things. Just forgive me. So I leave, and I leave them with letters. And I go, Lynette, give them these letters when they walk in. Now, they walk in from this cruise. They've never gone on vacation since their honeymoon, okay? Unless it was with us. Yeah. Yeah. And that was like Wisconsin Dells. Okay. I'm 19 years old. So Lynette gives them the letters. My mom loses her mind, of course. and she was the one that even my mom says it's today

that made her feel like it was okay. Like, see, she... What did you do? What did you say? Her gaming quality. Well, you know, they came off this cruise and they were wearing their like shell necklaces and, you know, they were both sunburned and, you know, they looked like they really enjoyed themselves.

And so now I have these letters and I have to deliver this really heavy news. So I just saw, my mom like was crestfallen. and her shoulders slumped. She looked just distraught. My dad, he doesn't really show a lot of emotions. You couldn't really read him. But my mom was really upset.

And I just kind of talked her through it and said, listen, some people can see this as being a great thing. You know, I mean, the fact that you have a daughter that's beautiful enough to be considered for Playboy, you know, I mean, come on. And then she started to have people support that. And, you know, again, Jenny may have mentioned the Catholicism in our family.

we were these like really heavy Catholics. So this was really a problem in that respect. I think my mom just felt bad about people judging her. Yeah. And then she had enough people support her that I think she felt she could kind of keep her chin up. But I think maybe fortunately, I might have been the catalyst for that kind of language. And it kind of at least carried her a little bit until she started getting it from friends, you know. Yeah.

And I'm really grateful for that. Well, thank you. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone?

Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.

Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.

Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care.

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All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television his story. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, it's Stephanie Beatriz and Melissa Fumero, and this is more better. We are jumping right in and ready to hear from you. Your thoughts, your questions, your feelings about socks with sandals. And we're ready to share some possibly questionable advice and hot takes.

God, that sucks so hard, though. I'm so sorry. Can you out petty them? Can you match their pettiness for funsies? Yeah. We had so much fun last season, laughing, crying, talking to some new and old friends. Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were, just supposed to hug, and I was standing. Oh, yeah. And I was like, can I also hug them?

I'm like, this f*** has no friends. This time around, we are, say it, Melissa. Should I? Say it. Getting a little more better. Oh, finally. It's all the dressing room talk you loved in season one. All the things.

Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better? Listen to more better on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. but what did you how did your sisters feel about you doing playboy and being in playboy oh do you remember what i said we're on the porch of my grandfather's house he had since passed and uh we were on the porch and you were i was coming in you were going out something like that and jenny said guess what and i said what and she said i just found out that i'm miss october and the words that came out of my mouth were mom's going to kill you

yeah and I was like you know what I have to believe that a everyone has a vehicle to try to get to their dream somehow you know what I mean so I was like this is the only vehicle I had to get to Hollywood so once then I wound up winning playmate a year then I had to come home and tell them I won't play me me my god

but you know it was good as I took that whole check and I went home and this is still one of my proudest moments sort of I said give me every bill you have. Because they believe that my whole life. And I paid for every single bill and paid off their house. And I felt like, just the relief that came off of them for that, ironically, though they wound up getting a divorce like three years later. I think they held together because we were so broke that some couple stick together for that reason. I wound up giving them that maybe financial independence that they were able then to just separate. That's,

Interesting. Another side note, my mom wound up marrying her high school sweetheart. Wow. Thank you look for my dad. No way. Are they still together? They're still together. Yeah.

And what about your dad? Still single bachelor. Really? How old is your dad? 78. Yes. So if you are a, if you guys have a mother and Budweiser, please come. Is he still boning?

Yeah. That was the best answer. Good for him. How does he find his ladies? Do you know? I think probably via bars. Well, you know, yeah, he does fancy the slightly younger lady. I mean, younger being 40s.

I mean, that's pretty old for him being 78. Yeah. Yeah, he's a pretty decent looking guy. Yeah. He should, he, the next golden bachelor. There you go. Oh, my God. He would actually make a great golden bachelor.

You think he's a little too old for it? I think he is. What do you mean? It's the gold, I feel like, no. We should submit your dad. Yeah. He'd be like the patina bachelor. I mean, he's, he's a little bit more.

And you know what? You guys, he's got an Archie Bunker personality. Yeah, that's it. It's like, yeah, I can't believe that stuff that would come out of his mouth. You'd be like, oh my God. You can't say that anymore, Dad. He's fine in the lane that he's in. He's doing fine. He's happy. Yeah. He's so Randy that he's like, he's, you know, he's got prostate cancer and you're supposed to take medication for it, but it actually affects, you know, and he won't take it. And he won't take it. I'm like, dad, he's like, I'd rather die than not do it.

Really? God, guys, and they're at 80? Can he counter it with like a Cialis, like a little prostate, a little Cialis? There's a funny story with Jojo. They were at a local restaurant on the south side of Chicago where my mom and dad both reside separately. She's my younger sister.

Yeah, so Jojo was out with dad, and apparently they were sitting over pizza talk, and he ended up going to see a urologist that gave him a medication that you have to actually inject into your member. Yeah. And he was talking to my sister Jojo about this and he said, I'm, Mackie's voice is sort of like, I'm not really sure if it's going to work or not.

And so Joe said, and this is how my family operates. Well, Dan, just rub one out. Inject it and just rub one out and see if it works. And I'm like, who's family talks this way? Ours. Ours. You get it. Yeah.

Oh, my God. We're out there. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's a very, very open family. I feel like there's something great about that because it's sort of like anything goes. You know, you don't, and then when you meet people, you're not like appalled by really many people.

Like you're sort of just like, oh, well, I was just talking about that the other day with my friends where they were like having this very kind of conservative conversation about like kids and sex. Like how do you deal with your kids and wanting to have sex with your partner? And I was like, this is foreign to me. You just have sex with your partner. Like you, I don't know, figure it out.

Like, yeah. And if the kids come to the door, you just tell him you're snuggling. Yeah, it's locked. Yeah. Or my son said to me one time, he's like, what are you doing in there, you guys? And I was like, he's rubbing my feet and the field. Now, how many children, Lynette, do you have children? I do have twin girls.

Twin girls. And then, Jenny, do you, how many kids do you have? I have one, and then Donnie has two boys, so I have two step-sons. And how old are all of, how old are they now? My girls are 28. Yeah, she had them when they were young. Evan is 22, and my other step-sons 22, and the other one is 30. Oh, my gosh.

How is it being a step-mom, by the way? I love it. You know, Elijah, that's Donny's younger son, moved in with us when he was just starting high school. So we got to raise my son Evan and him together. That's awesome. Nice. So they kind of had like siblings and I, you know, it was nice to have like two boys. Were you accepted pretty quickly?

I mean, you're fun and cool and all that, you know, but kids are weird. They were. But you know what Donnie said initially it was, I think it's always a little bumpy start, but Donnie said something that changed me. And this is good for anyone listening that's like worried about their kids or stepkids. He said, Jenny, my therapist taught me the best thing, which is we need to a model what a loving relationship looks like. So even if my son or your son has a problem or we have to stick to us being the

priority by demonstrating love because sometimes people will be like, we shouldn't kiss in front he's like, no, no, no, no, they need to see. When we are loving each other, they need to see what that looks like. They love it too. They love it. They get all giddy about it. They think that they fake that they hate it, but really they love it. It's true.

Yeah. No, I'm afraid that I'm, I'm afraid. I'm afraid that I've, like, modeled too aggressively in front of my kids. You have. I'm a groper. I mean, I'm like, if Aaron is not wearing. I'm like, you can't touch, you can't do this. If she's, if she's not wearing a bra, I'm just like, sorry, babe, like, you brought it upon yourself.

I mean, that's just the way it goes. Like, it's happening. It's going to happen, you know. Oh, it's so sweet. It's so sweet. Because, you know, back in the day, our parents said, and we, that was something I was going to talk about. We again, growing up in this like almost puritanical household, I don't think I've ever seen Jenny naked until Playboy.

So, you know, that that's the reason why we've come so far talking about my dad's penis. You know, before I wouldn't have been to known that he had one. It was just not a conversation. So we've come a long way. Why was the family like what Jenny, when you like you did the Playboy and then it started to kind of become? this iconic 90s and like woman what what was the response at home like how did they was it exciting for them did you sometimes have moments where were you the devil yeah i was from from certain relatives i was the devil i received a three page handwritten letter um from a priest that was a cousin

damning my soul to hell telling him very magdalen sent the same letter to my mom yeah really and And by the way, early then, early Jenny, I believed it. So I'd be crying in my car, just moved to L.A. With my little U-Hull still connected to the car because I couldn't unhook it. And just like crying and crying and crying and crying, going like, oh, my God, my soul's going to burn hell forever and ever and ever and ever. And then, of course, I came to. Right.

You're like, but, man, fuck it. Who cares? I'm going to go to bar one. That's right. For those of you out there, Bar one. Oh, my God. Bar one. That was a spot way back.

spot in LA that was the one that was a very hip 90s like if I'm going to burn in hell I might as well just go to Roxbury or bar one but it actually helped me going knowing that I'm like well what do I have to lose now I might as well just be my outgoing self and I think when I was on singled out on the MTV show that God I remember the you on that I was so like I'm not that character in real life but it came out because I was free I felt a freedom I was school. I got to make fun of myself and just kind of goofy and not like, yes, sister Mary, yes, sister Mary. So it kind of all came out on that show. What did you, what did you want? Like, what was the desire? Like, what did you want for yourself? Were you passionate? Like,

what were you passionate about saying high school? This question for both of you guys, like, what was nurtured in your house? Was it just to like get by and just to make ends meet? Or was, were the arts ever nurtured or was there any like the things that you loved god you well i'd say my parents did their best with what little income they had and we did have a piano and there were piano lessons but i don't think they went on for longer than a year but i think my dad thought he had four boys because we were in every sport or at least tried a sport every sport so three of us went to college on scholarships for sports this one didn't But Ojo and Leaning both went for basketball, and I went for cross-country.

So my dad, at least, I'm sure my mom supported it. We've always been very athletic in our family. So that was definitely. That was, and they were the celebrities growing up. Like, they were newspapers and very much like you being interviewed. I was making, if YouTube was around back then, I would have had a million subscribers because I was making little movies. I was practicing commercials in the mirror.

I was putting on talk shows in the basement. I was practicing being kind of Oprah and interviewing people. No one would ever go to my talk shows in the basement, but I had my missed your microphone. So I was like loving. I didn't know what to do with it. You know, I'm like, what do I do with it? So that's, I moved to L.A.

To try to figure it out. But did you know, it's like you just wanted to move to L.A. to get into sort of the broad idea of entertainment, right? yeah yeah you know i funny enough when i look back at my playboy centerfold they have this thing that you fill out and it says what do you how do you want to succeed i go i want to succeed in tv land like i knew i wanted to either act or host i really loved interviewing that's why mtv was kind of great because then i snowballed into like you know mtv beach house interviewing a bunch of celebrities and artists and stuff like that so eric from the grind bro

Eric from the grind That was such a golden era The MTV I feel like I got in right at the Right at the end You know I was like 20 And it was just like

It was just There was only like two more years left Really of MTV the way it was TRI When I left It was only six months left Of VJ's period Really?

I left and then six months later I Dallas called me And she's like We were all fired I'm like what? I didn't know that It was game over for that full era.

It was really sad because that was fun and wild. You know, he's a friend of mine who has a skate shop now is Dom DeLuca who did Headbanger's Bowl. Yeah. I was just with him. I was just with him yesterday. He is a skate shop. He owns Brooklyn Projects, yeah.

I love Dom. He's so nice, too. I wonder when we talk about MTV, people think younger people are like, God, they're talking about their, like, it sounds like American band stand. Yeah. You remember when our parents talk about American. Right, yeah. No, because, like, my kids, they, like, Ryder the other day had this, he had a crop top.

I stole it, but it's like an MTV, an old MTV shirt that's a crop top. And I feel like they think it was cooler than what they have now. It's like retro now. Yeah, I think they kind of wish they had something like that. I will say, though, I just recently watched, like, MTV, like, Beach House or one of those things where it's just everyone's, dancing and the cameras are moving in on people. And it's fucking insane. It's like weird boyishic.

It's so weird. I sent it to like my group there with my friends. I'm like, how fucking weird was this? I feel like that was where MTV kind of started. Like all of those shows is when it started to kind of. It'd be fine. Yeah. It was like the end of the, the, you know, remember when we used to just put on MTV and it would just

be like every great music video over and over. Oh, yeah. Well, Yo MTV Raps was incredible. Like, that was my favorite favorite. And wasn't there an alternative show that you tuned into? Yeah, it was 120 minutes. Oh, really? Lynette's favorite.

Lynette, did you become, are you in fashion? I feel like all of your clothes, like you're an aesthetics person. Oddly enough, I have two career paths that I seem to do simultaneously. One is interior design. I went to school for that. And the other one is, I also went to school for photography. So a lot of, like, Jenny's, like, product photography and things that we do for her formless beauty.

Oh, I just got mine, by the way. I do a lot of photos for that. Yeah, she was a professor at Notre Dame for photography. Like, she's the real. He does photography. And she's actually redoing my living room and taking pictures of her formless beauty. Another shameless plug. If you haven't tried my makeup.

Have you opened up the box yet? I open the box. wearing the lipstick last night. I put on the, it's so good. So when did you start the formless beauty? Okay. So my quick shameless plug. I formed it about three years ago because I'm allergic to everything. I'm one of those people that gets like rashes. I'm allergic to stuff. And then when I started looking into ingredients, I was like, no shit. The amount of toxins. Like I didn't know most mascara has forever chemicals in it. Oh, yeah. He has aluminum powder and formaldehyde. So I'm like, I'm going to make a real clean beauty brand, like for real, real, real, real. Because they can say,

It's not real. And so we just keep increasing products. We just came out with a cream blush, and I'm just so proud of it. I saw, and they're gorgeous colors. And the texture of the lip glosses are amazing. I had mine on, I'll show it to you, Oliver. You can try it. But I will say the brushes are amazing.

I know. People call me and go, these brushes, you're not charging enough. But I'm like, everyone, that's because everyone deserves good brushes. So they're so awesome. How much is a good brush? Like normally. They're like 40 bucks a brush. And so right now, like if you buy them as a master brush set, you're getting them for like $12 a brush. And how much, how long does a brush last? Depends on this, depends on the quality of the brush. If you buy one from Amazon, it's going to last maybe through one washing. Ours can go through hundreds and hundreds. I'm going to help you shamelessly plug. I'm going to get them right now. Hold on. Oh, you're so sweet. Double micing. Oh, God. So you have an idea for a beauty brand, right? Yeah.

And I don't have much money to start it. This is what I'm saying. How do you start it? Like, I am an entertainer. I'm an actor I produce. I've got it da-da-da-da-da. But I am an entrepreneur in my spirit. And I know this because at a young age, I was always hustling money.

And it was all illegal. I was selling fake IDs. I was selling weed. I was driving, you know, my friend's mother's car. heart 15 shuttling people to golf courses for money i mean i was always in the money mode yeah i still am and i have all of these great ideas seemingly some i see pop up now and again when i'm like that was my fucking idea no totally we can't start it's like okay how do i start it i'm like uh i don't know fuck it just takes so much time and money it does you have to be super passionate about it

It starts with an LLC. You have to just, that's what it starts with the name. And then I only had money to start with three lip glosses. That's all. I'm like, let's see if people care about clean beauty. And like the lip glosses are made with aloe, chamomile, shay butter. We don't use formaldehyde. There it is.

She's putting out a manifest right now. So you started with like three skews basically. And said, let me see if people care as much about, you know, because I don't, I don't want chemicals because we eat. lip gloss and we absorb it so then and so did you just direct the consumer it basically we're not in stores and i'm online and we've grown pretty quickly but i'm so slow to roll out new product because not only do we test and we're made in america because i watched the chemist but then i also take it and i third party test it so like i'm double tripling down on my makeup going like this is for

people i care about sensitivities allergies or just health in general but want it to perform great I love it. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable somewhere with, charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the

highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything, from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.

Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. and that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.

Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care.

backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive.

My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for a hundred of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Taylor Ornelis, who with Rutherford, Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn

Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, it's Stephanie Beatriz. I'm Melissa Fumero, and this is more better. We are jumping right in and ready to hear from you.

Your thoughts, your questions, your feelings about socks with sandals. And we're ready to share some possibly questionable advice and hot takes. God, that sucks so hard, though. I'm so sorry. Can you out petty them? Can you match their pettiness for funsies? Yeah. We had so much fun last season, laughing, crying, talking to some new.

and old friends. Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were just supposed to hug and I was standing. Oh, yeah. And I was like, can I also hug them? I'm like, this f*** has no friends. And this time around, we are, say it, Melissa.

Should I? Say it. Getting a little more better. Oh, finally. It's all the dressing room talk you loved in season one. All the things. Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better?

Listen to. more better on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's also nice that, you know, sometimes it's nice to be able to, like, if you're, to start small and be purposeful about it rather than just doing something to grow to sell, which is, I think, what everybody tries to do. Proof of concept. I love that. I mean, here's your mascara. My mascara is dope. And I had no idea that a lot of them have. I haven't tried it.

Endocrine disruptors, forever chemicals, they can never get out of your system. And there's no fragrance in it because fragrance is actually a toxin. And a hormone disruptor. Yeah. And a hormone disruptor. You can hide, you can hide, companies hide their toxins inside the word fragrance. So when you turn it around, you see fragrance. What's hidden inside that term is it like, because it's considered an IP, they can put all the bad shit inside there and get away with it.

So we don't have any fragrance in ours. Feel that. Feel that brush. feel it I have no idea what I'm comparing but wait look at this blender I'm telling you I'm obsessed with these brushes so what are you looking forward to now

like what what are you working on now you're obviously still taking pictures Jenny what what's a mask singer and I'm loving I was supposed to be on mask singer I was but I was doing a I was doing a Fox show as an actor and it was in the

COVID-ish world and they couldn't clear me to like go from Albuquerque to L.A. or some show. Oh, no. Well, hopefully you'll come on the future because I don't think this show's going anywhere, but hopefully I'm going anywhere. I was going to do, I was like, I'll do that. I mean, it sounds like

so much fun. Every celebrity that comes through, they're saying they have the best time of their lives. Like it's. Yeah. So I get so many people all the time on my Instagram being like, you've got to go on the mass singer. Like, I think she's the thing I'm like I've so funny and by the way not to to slide into you but I got to tell you I've been

such a fan of since you came out singing I'm Brad our publicist that we share I said I'm I'm a huge fucking fan of her music like your voice the style the songs they're great it's amazing thanks I love it so much I'm so happy right now that I'm just doing it you know it's like I'm just so happy I decided to do it It's like filled a big void for me. I basically lip sync happy birthday. So I'm really, really happy. But just to let you know in the future, like we actually started a podcast together.

Oh, you did? Four years ago, we have like 16 episodes shot. Yeah. And we still have not done anything with it. It's just sitting there for a future someday we'll do it. But because we just got so busy that. Yeah. Well, it's so weird you set you,

you said that because your banter is so like on point and I was like these girls need to do something with this and I was and I was thinking they should do a fucking podcast because it's one problem is we sound so alike no one's going to be able to tell who's speaking we do yeah yeah you do but who care they'll figure it out they figure it out yeah he doesn't a little more formality to her do yeah yeah's a little bit more proper yeah but I'm a little more. I'm more newscastery, yeah. Like, newscaster.

You can do a weather segment in your podcast. Yeah. That'll work. So, all right. As we wrap up, what do you think the biggest lesson you've learned from each other has been? Like, and throughout your, like, the thing you take with you the most. Like, what's the biggest lesson you've learned from your stuff? Forgiveness.

Oh, that's a good one. I was going to say people can change. Yeah. Forgiveness, for sure. Because all those grievances, I could have still easily held onto them and held resentment towards her. Right. Because people, you know, your childhood really shapes who you are and how you feel about certain things and how you grow or not grow. And I feel like my love for her surpassed any anger. So she taught me. When you say people can change, who do you think has changed the most? Well, I think we both changed enough to be able to move past our grievances and forgive each other. And I also think in this day and age, like a lot of the roles have reversed because I got a lot more clothes to steal from her now.

That's true. I think we've just matured. And I think there's like there's forgiving on both sides and there's growth and there's understanding. and I think we have a better language to communicate. And I think that that's the reason where we're at right now is that we can be friends because we understand each other so much more as adults than we did when we were younger. Yeah.

Yeah. Puberty didn't help either. No. No, yeah. Jenny, do you think you're as outspoken as you've always been now? Or do you feel like you censor yourself more sometimes now? In today's, I would say now I do censor myself more only because I've been beat up so much that I notice myself censoring myself a bit more, which sucks because I liked when I was

younger and freer and not really cared. I still tap into that. Don't get me wrong. I still get myself in trouble all the time. But I definitely feel like I still censor myself. And it's not because of age. I think it's because of the climate. Yeah.

Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. Because you're always so, you're always so outspoken. You still are, but I, but I, it's a, it's an interesting time. Yeah. Okay. So, what? The PC police is just, not that I would never not politically correct, I've always been

that, but it's still, the mobs are just waiting and, you know, on head, whatever. I feel like the pendulum is swinging back a little bit, you know what I mean? I think people are a little bit, kind of a bit fed up with. with it. Yeah. You know, just, it's just gone so far. It truly has. But for good, look, when the pendulum does swing that far, there's a reason for it. There's a reason for it. And there's a lot of good that comes out of it. You know what I mean? And, and so that's good. But then now we've got a fucking reel at it. Correct. You got to come back to center. Yeah, come back to center. Let's not be, let's not be, let's not be a fucking crazy here, you know. Okay. Our final question that we always end with.

It's a two-part question that you will each answer. So, number one, if you could alleviate something from your sister, something that would make their life better, what would that be? And then if you could emulate something that you could sort of take from them that would make your life a little bit better, then what would those things? I'm so bad with part one and part two questions. So the first part- So part one. Yes, alleviate something. Yeah.

That's the one thing. I think you have a pretty charmed life right now. I don't know what I would alleviate. You're maybe like, I wish you had better gut health. Yes. No. Really? That's a good one.

It's a great one. So he takes care of herself, but there's only so much you could do with your insides. And she has a lot of allergies and gut health issues. And I suppose if that was off your, because I can eat almost anything. And I have celiac disease and autoimmune shit. Yeah. It's hell. oh really yeah my wife's getting checked for all that shit yeah that's what yeah exactly it's what

jenny did and found out that's we're all for problems come that's why she needs formless beauty that's what the other thing well the other one is oh if i had to emulate something i always said i think jenny can attest to this i i've never found myself to be jealous of where jenny's what she's achieved. And it's mainly because I've never had the grit or the guts. It's not in my makeup to really stick my neck out that much to risk. And I wish I had it in me. But I watched her put herself in places that I knew we're going to be really risky. And that is with our upbringing and how our family felt about certain things that she was doing. I always wanted to make sure I was on the right side of everything with my family liking me and also approving of things that I did.

And Jenny was like, as we talked about earlier, kind of like, F that. And she went out and did her thing and achieved great success. Because I always say to people, how many playmates can you really remember that have had the longevity of a career like my sister, you know? So for that, I think I've always said it's the one thing that I'm not only proud of, but I wish I had it in me. I think as I'm getting older, I'm starting to get a little bit more of that. But she really just kind of puts herself out there all the time. And for that, I admire her. Yeah, that's great.

That's nice. She just needs a few drinks and she does get there. Right. Yeah. Of course. Liquid courage. For me, I would say I would love to alleviate. I would love to take away the stress she has.

She carries a lot of stress with work. She's working seven days a week. Like, it's insane. I wish I can say, like, let me carry some of that load for you. Let me do something because, but she puts it all upon herself. So I don't know how to help except make her dinner sometimes. yeah that's true um and then um what was the other one oh emulate um i would say her ability to care so much in terms of wanting to go to that person's house if they're sick and help them

out going to funerals she's the one that will always go to funerals i have a little bit of social anxiety like she'll be like i'm going to go and spend some time with aunt so and so i'm like really like i i can't i can't like she's she's really good at like keep keeping the outer family together of us still involved. And I'm like, that to me seems like walking on a plank. I cannot do that. Like, shucks about going to funerals. And I'm like, I can't do it.

So I wish I had her guts in the social world in our family social circle. You know what? It also has to do a lot with our two other sisters are out of state. So I feel like I kind of represent when I show up. You know, I'm like, let me start the girls. You know, so. Right. But she still does it.

I couldn't do it. So I wish I had that. Well, you are the oldest. It's your job. Right. Exactly. This has been so much fun. So fun.

You guys are the best. It's been great. You guys are so delight. I'm a big fan of both of years, of course, and just think the world of you guys. So thank you. Thanks. I love you guys. This was a blast.

Yeah. Really fun. Have the best rest of your day. And we'll see you at some point. Later, guys. Bye. Got us. Bye. So great.

So great. They were so much fun. They are fun. They're, yeah. They're so fun. They're so fun. I love how they, she's amazing. Lynette is hysterical.

I know. Like she feels like a character. Like she almost is a Kristen Wigg character. Yeah. I mean, like she feels like that. That was. That was great. And Jenny's so great.

She reminds me of Aaron. The way she. So much. It's really interesting. Aaron gets that. all the time or used to get it all the time. I was looking at her, like, her profile. I'm like, it looks, she looks like you're white. And they both have gut issues. Oh, they were great. Okay. Well, I love you. Love you. Peace. We love you out there to you.

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