Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Seth and Josh Meyers

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

On the final episode of this season, Kate and Oliver sit down with Seth and Josh Meyers. They discuss their new podcast "Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers," having their mom as a French teacher, lying about report cards, and much more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickEdited by Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by:Sakara (sakara.com/sibling)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry.

That's good. So I am so excited about this one, Oliver. I've been trying to get, well, we. I know. Well, you have a relationship with Seth. On the program forever, because I know how close he is with his brother. And Josh. And so...

Myers. This was so... Yes. It's Myers. I was just so excited. I love Seth. He's the best. He didn't even get into the fact that I was on SNL and it was his first year on...

I know. There was a lot that I feel like we... It's almost like you could do another part two of it. But their relationship is so loving. I was like nervous. I was trying to find something. That maybe there was some tension. You might have pushed a little too hard.

I never, but I don't know. I think they appreciated it. But they are just so supportive of each other and, you know, so loving and, you know, and they don't even see each other that much. They're on different coasts. I just want to say this was so fun. And they have their own podcast. Yeah.

We get into, I get into with them right away, but they're starting to have a podcast together. It's fun. They're doing it together. To be closer to each other as part of their deal. And I love that. I love them. Because that brought us closer. I did.

All right. So enjoy Seth and Josh Myers. Hi, Oliver. What's up, everybody? Yeah, Ronnie was distracting me. She was wanting me to do some routine. I told her to pay me and she had no money. You're like, I'm on cameo.

Right. I was like, yeah. I was like, buy a cameo, Ronnie. My kids did their first lemonade stand And it's shocking the realization That nobody has money anymore Oh my God, I know We fully need a Venmo

I stopped by a lemonade stand the other day And they had a thing that said This is where you can send your Venmo to If you need it Are you shitting me? No, that's what happened. That happened to us Although we had one person Give like $1,000

Well, they only had 100 And we didn't have any change Because we had like a little bit And we ended up getting, they were like, just take it. We're like, God. No, I know. Not's when you really, you are backfiring, teaching your kids a lesson about money. We used to sell, when we were kids, we had like a stand and our mom would bake homemade chocolate chip cookies.

And we would sell homemade chocolate chip cookies and like cans of a weird off-brand soda. And we would set up sort of at the top of our subdivision in Michigan. And like those cookies were warm and people. Yeah, we did a good business out there. Well, in the 80s, Kate and I sold cocaine. Yeah, a great spot. At a stand, like, you know. On the corner of the Pacific Palestine.

You just have to be near the woods where the cops can't go. It's true. These Carreras would just pull up. A couple grams. Different time. It was a different time. The early, the late 80s. But I was obsessed with a.

selling shit. When I was in high school, I sold fake IDs. He did. He did. I sold marijuana, not understanding that it's supposed to bud. So I just stripped the leaves off of it and had so much pesticide on it that people were smoking it and throwing up everywhere, getting sick. I don't know what I was doing. I'm just glad you didn't kill anybody because that would have been bad. But everyone thought it was... I like that there's someone right now is listening and realizing that's who sold me those bad drugs.

And I put two and two together. I know. By the way, you are for people who can't see, you're wearing a hat that a guy who would sell you weed leaves and you'd wear. Just the leaves. Just the leaves. That was the name of your weed.

That's a great name. Well, I was going to say, Seth, I've been trying to get you on this podcast forever with your bro. So happy to be here. And then every time on the show, I'm like, you got to come on our podcast. And so welcome to sibling revelry.

I'm so excited. And you guys are going to start your own sibling podcast, I hear. We are. We're entering the sibling marketplace. You cock suckers. We're going to do a... Ours is called family trips with the Myers Brothers. And we're just going to drill down and talk to people

about the trips they took with their families growing up and how they, connected with theirs. And we feel it's a really nice time. Like, I, you know, we were really close with our parents still are. But it's a real, I don't know what they were, but I feel like everything about your family

is really exaggerated when you go on a trip with them. Oh, yeah. The good and the bad. I was thinking about this because we have a couple trips that are like epic trips. So I don't want to get into it on this podcast. So when we come on your podcast. Yeah, yeah.

Thank you. We can share. Thank you for your restraint. No, it's true It's true because we have a few that are really happy times And like not And then others, one that I think we're both thinking about That was insane

My wedding? Well, there's your wedding But then there was also the boat trip Oh, the boat, yeah, that was bad There was a lot of shit that went down The best was the v-dead was the was the van again Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I think But this is great

I mean these are really nice teasers Yeah, yeah But we, I don't know about you guys, but like the ones we still talk about are the ones that we as a family didn't weren't at each other's throats, but everything went wrong. Like I think a family trip where

everything goes wrong and yet you can come out of it with like good stories are almost worth more than everything that always been. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean at the end of the day if you guys, if everyone's in love and your family is a loving close family, you know, almost that that friction will then, you know, years later will be the reason why you keep talking about that trip

and laughing about it. You get to come back with a little lore. You know, you get a little folklore. Mm-hmm. And then the story does change, like everybody's perspective of it does change over the year. Like 20 years later,

everyone has a different point of view about what happened at the story. That's why your idea is such a great idea because everyone has a different perspective on that vacation. And everyone's varies, you know what I mean? It's a blast. Find out what, when you have siblings on,

which ones do end up arguing about what actually happened on the trip. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Whatever worst ever was at a place called molasses pond, which Josh then wrote a school essay about. So I think Josh in this case actually has,

he can actually look back at written time. I'd have to look in mom's curated box of our early works. But, yeah, that was a bad one. It was a bad trip. But mom still talks about it with sort of a... a real dreamy air, but she, like, got stung by a horsefly and her, like, arms blew up and she looked like a pop-eye with these huge forearms.

It was, like, rushed to the hospital situation. Oh, no, that was, like, Martin Short and that movie he did when he got stung by the bee and he's in the back of the airplane and it blows up? No, it was like Danny Glover and Martin Short and... Oh, God, I don't remember. I love it. I love that.

What movie am I talking about? I love when Showbiz kids can't remember movies. You don't remember that movie. It was some comedy. Well, it's not fair for you to say, I don't remember. I don't know what you're talking about. I do feel like, to be fair, to Oliver,

I do think he did blow up in interspace. So I think that's a nice poll. I think he did. I don't think it's the movie Kate's talking about, but I think it's a pretty solid piece. Pure luck. Pure luck. I would not have gotten pure luck.

It's in the chat. You didn't just come up. No, it's in the chat. That's in the chat. That is, Allison. One of Marty's specialties is getting. stung and having a allergic reaction. You know, just Google it later and it'll be like post-traumatic stress.

One last thing that we'll get into your whole life, but like I also find that vacations in general, even with your family, the anticipation is incredible and then the, and being retrospective about it is amazing. In the moment, it's never as good as you anticipate or you remember. Yeah. I read a thing recently that said that's why you should book vacations far as far in advance is possible because you'll get more mental health in the looking forward to it than you will in the aftermath.

So like a booking a lot of the actual being there. Right, right. It's even better than being there. Yeah, or just quit family vacations. Just stop them. I do that. I just want to be transported there. There's the schlep to get there.

And not pay for it. That's the goal. So you want to be teleported for free. Yeah. Yes. Well, that's my move. My move with family vacations. It's good to have clear goals.

Yeah. My move is, look, you guys, I get the kids, I can't. It's too much money. I can't do it. And then I wear them down enough to where they're finally like mom or Kate's like, I'll just pay for it. Just get on the plane and I'm like, oh, God. It's always mom and I know. The hotel rooms.

I got to get all these hotel rooms. I'll get the hotel rooms. Okay. You just got to be the last one to blink. That's right. that's right oh well okay well welcome to our podcast and we always start with something super simple which is where did it all start seth josh meyers where did you grow up i came two years before josh in evanston in illinois we were both born there but we don't have much of a memory of

that because then we as josh mentioned we got off to michigan and And we were in Michigan, until we were nine and seven, is that about right, Josh? Yeah, I was, I remember moving to New Hampshire. It was the middle of second grade for me. So it was like, we moved over Christmas, over the holidays. We did, we flew from Michigan to Boston and went to go see cats. Yeah. And it was sort of like, everything was happening so fast and we sort of just got tricked into not being sad about

leaving our old sort of house and life behind, and cats did the trick. And I don't know if your listeners, this would mean anything then. We met the boxer Marvelous Marvin Hagler was at Cats and signed my cat's playbill. Are you kidding? Not a lot of people meet famous boxers,

probably musicals, but that was... Do you still have that playbill? I feel like I did for a long time and yet even longer... What feels like an even longer time ago, my room was turned into a family office. and I feel like maybe the playbill didn't survive. Okay.

I was just going to say you do have like a filing cabinet in your closet at home that has all your comics sort of neatly filed away. It could be in there. Your comic books. My comic books. You were a big comic book guy. I was the collector of the two of us because, yeah, then we, my parents are still, our parents are still in the house.

We grew up in New Hampshire and they've been there since 1982, 84. Was it something like that? Okay, so you went Michigan to Boston to New Hampshire? Yeah, Boston was just, yeah. For cats. We didn't live there. We just flew in there. They just drove up to New Hampshire an hour away.

Now, what happened when you got to New Hampshire? Did you have like moments where you were like, oh, all of our friends, we have to make new friends? Or did you guys really lean on each other? Were you a little bit too young? We definitely leaned on each other, though. I mean, we always have been, we always have been. we always have had or we always did

this stopped at some point like we got married and stuff where I did but we had two bedrooms we had our own bedrooms but we each had two beds so Josh had a bunk bed in his room

and I had two twin beds in my room and so even though we had our own rooms we would always just we were always both sleep in one of the rooms and I feel like we didn't just decide we were just the night would end and we'd just go into one

in the rooms that's so cute I just went to Ollie's room and he hated it yeah it was too much for me. But I know the feeling.

It's like, you know, you always want to, especially when you're only two and a half years apart. A little less. Like almost two. Yeah. That's almost like us. Yeah, my boy slept in the same room. And then there was that moment where the older one wanted his own.

You know? Yeah. This is, and I should stress, this happened a long time ago. So if you run into Josh on the street, like you shouldn't tease him about it. Like, it's something that just happened. But Josh used to always sleepwalk and just go to the middle of our room and just unloading. huge whiz

on the middle of the floor. Really? What? Yeah. I thought it was in the bathroom. You did. Yeah. Sometimes it would be a closet. Sometimes I'd open a closet door and just pee in the closet.

Does this still happen? No. Again, I doesn't have to... Have we graduated from this? This is good. I will say that if there are any young people listening who have a sibling that does this, I found out the hard way as well, don't yell their name when they're sleep because they'll pee on you.

What they'll do is they'll just turn, they'll turn to face you. So you got spray. It's called a peeve it. Spray, a peevot. Spray me once. Yeah. Shame on you, I think, yeah. Shame me once peeve on you?

A peevot. But we did. But we were always, you know, again, and because we're so close with our parents, it did not. I don't remember it. And I'm sure it was, but I don't recall any trauma about that move. and friends or anything like that. What sent you to New Hampshire or your parents? Yeah, just my dad's job.

His job. What did he do? Yeah. Would it, is it embarrassing that neither Josh or I could probably explain it? Well, when he worked, he worked for a company called SRI when we lived in Michigan, and I don't know what they did. And then he stopped that company to start a new company called CFX, Computer FX. And they made like,

I don't know if this is all they did, but they made, like, jewelry and t-shirts and things. And the designs were all, like, microchips. So your dad is. Because my dad is in the CIA. He's a hustler of some kind. So your dad's in the CIA, you don't really know. He's the mom. I would say the short answer for what my dad does.

And again, I can't explain it. And it would be rude of you to ask is trade finance. Oh, okay. So very CIA. Yeah, he is not what he seems. So he would take multiple. This true story, multiple trips to Kuwait. Really?

In the 80s. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes. He's definitely in the... CIA. And mom, and what did mom do?

She was a French teacher. She was a mom for a long time. And then when she went, just when we got old enough, she went back to work. And she was a middle school French teacher. Is she French? Legendary. No.

But she is legendary, Josh. I mean, she taught in the same, you know, public high, public middle school system for, you know, 25 years, maybe longer. Yeah, maybe longer, yeah. There, Josh and I, you know, I would go back. I'd be in a grocery store when I would go home and visit, and people would come up to me with the gate and face of someone

who was about to recognize you from television and instead would say, are you mad at Meyer's son? And they would always tell you like their French name to say hello, to her. Right. Could you tell her that Guillaume Jackson

says a little? Do you speak fluent French, both of you? No. We both had her. No. Really?

Josh was better. Josh, she gave Josh a French award one year because each teacher would give out like the science award

and she gave it to Josh, which I thought was pretty shady. She claims he earned it. I got some booze and hisses. Yeah, she was a bad look

to the podium to receive that award. your mom as a teacher. I mean, how did that work out? It was great. It was great. She was a fun teacher.

Like, there were a lot of, I mean, it's also, it's middle school French, so it's a lot of songs being. Frere, Jacques, my mother. Dorme, yeah. See? Ling, dang. If you're looking to do some substitute work,

who's striking, it's like, that's about it. Ollie and I went to Lycee Francaise. Ah. May we? The other great thing about, my mom was we were also the house that had a lot we would have the eight kids sleepover at our house and so my parents were sort of like known by all kids especially my mom so a lot especially when I went through in sixth grade she was pre-beloved by a lot of kids so even the ones that maybe

would have been I don't know misbehaving for other teachers were more fun yeah and she probably had just had like a different and kind of respect for her because they knew how she... Yeah. Yeah. That's my house now. It is the...

It's like the flop house. Party Central. Everyone's there. Every weekend. I have 8,000 kids there. My son's 15. Has a girlfriend. So now all of his friends are at my house.

I wake up in the morning to take the dogs out and like two kids are sleeping in the office. I mean, this is my weekend. Do you love it? I do. I do. I have the same thing.

I really love it. I do. And it's a safe place for them to be. That safety thing is a huge piece. I get it. I think as I now have kids, I realize, oh, yeah, my parents would much rather have their basement get destroyed and know their kids were all right. Yes.

Then it would be lying and dead wondering. Yeah, our parents would also, if we'd go to a friend's house once we were like in high school and maybe there would be drinking, they would say sort of point blank, they would say like, are people going to be drinking? And you would just say, yeah. And they'd be like, okay, we'll stay there. And that was it. Yeah, it was fine.

It's just sleep over. Yeah. Yeah. Don't move around. It's so different now, though, with Uber and stuff, you know, because I have riders, riders in college. My Uber bill is, I can't even begin to talk about it. Just wait until hope that your kids don't want to go to college.

I am. I can't even tell you. I have to say, I didn't realize how expensive it was going to be. It's really funny when I, because I remember the number my parents paid. We both went. So my parents met at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois. And then Josh and I both went there. And I remember the number because we're very lucky, right?

My parents, our parents paid for our school. But they also, my dad wanted us to know how expensive it was and wanted us to know like what a sacrifice they were making. And that was an important thing for us to know. In my head, that number still seems like a big number. I kind of like frozen it and not taking it into account inflation. Yeah. It's not that number anymore.

No, no, no. Also, I had kids late. So I'm like, it's like two generations for me. Yeah. No, I mean, I went to bowl. for two years. And I called my mom first semester, sophomore year.

I'm like, I'm wasting your money. I know what I want to do. I got to get out of here because I am just, I am doing nothing here right now. Well, you're going to die. There was that, too. Everybody is on to Just the Leaf. No, I don't selling anything else.

Well, I couldn't support myself in Boulder. They know they're more hip to it. Just the Leave was not working. We've already told the story a thousand. sometimes, but I'll never forget, I started working. So I was just that. I was total middle child, you know, got a job at 16 and at a clothing store was like, you know, making my own way, auditioning. I got a part. I had some money in the bank. So mom just like cut me off. She was like, no, you're fine, you know. Meanwhile, I'd hear my mom organizing a chef for Oliver in college.

And I inside was like, what? Yeah, but I didn't know. Like, it's like food would show up. It was the craziest experience. I got a knock on the door. Sophomore year, we were off campus. And it's this chef in like a chef outfit with a plate of some sort of a cassero. I'm like, hi, who are you?

This is from your mother and we'll be coming each week with food. I'm like, you're fucking kidding me. My whole house was, of course, happy about it. But it was deeply embarrassing for me. But you ate it. I ate it, but it was still, I mean, just my mom without asking me, wanted, like, got me a chef because she knew I wasn't eating at college or something. So funny.

See, my parents much like having everybody at the house, they were thrilled because Josh and I were at school together at the same time. We overlapped for two years in college. And so I think that was probably their happiest time. That's the best. So what were you guys like, you know, as kids? I mean, say seven, nine, but like when you started to get into middle school, high school, what were you like? Oh, you're always tight?

We were always tight. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. But we're very, for people who like look and sound alike and have taken sort of similar life paths, we're very different. I think I was more solitary. Would you sign off on that, Josh? Yeah. I like to kind of be in my room.

Um, uh, doing what? What were you doing? Just reading. Yeah. I was like I, like, I, like, I did all those sort of like introverty, like collected things like baseball cards and comic books and, you know, would organize them. Whereas I felt like Josh was always out being active and, uh, Josh, we like, like, like skiing, like biking, liked all these things that I sort of did out of, uh.

So Josh, you were more athletic. I mean, yeah, I guess you could say that. But, I mean, Seth was on the track team, but, like, I was on the baseball team and track, yes, it's, there's a team, but it's an individual sort of pursuit at the end of the day. It was the only, it was one of the few sports at my high school they wouldn't cut you from. So I was on that time. It's just run. Yeah. But I will say, I don't play baseball anymore and you still run.

That's true. I got that going on. Did you say, do you have all your comic books and baseball cards saved? I mean, did you keep them through it at all? Yes. But I, you know, I was definitely buying through that, like, inflated boom. Yeah. Like, it was, like, buying, like, NFTs at the wrong time.

Like, everybody was buying them. So very little of what I own. I feel like Kenny's any value. Was it, like, that Ken Griffey era, that rookie was that before? It was a little bit earlier. I mean, it was more like Mark McGuire. Right. And, like, you know, Roger Clement.

Like, those were the cards that everybody was covetous. But what about the comics? Because I was into comics for a minute, and there was some really expensive. I remember, like X-Men 1 and, you know, Spider-Man 1. But I feel like, right, there was image comics. I don't remember that. It was like Spawn.

And then that kind of was like early 90s. And so there were all these new issue number ones. And so everybody was running to buy it. Because you had now had this belief that number ones would always go up in value. Right. I feel like they did not. Josh, were you into comics as well? No.

I wasn't into baseball cards or comics. And Seth every now and again, we would sort of suggest. He'd be like, hey, try this. And I never got into him. I've still, like, to this day, I don't know if I've read a comic all the way through. He just never did it for me. It's like people's brains that don't understand math. Like, it's just like, nope, not going to happen.

I feel that way about comics. Like, I open a comic and I'm just like, I just, there's nothing about this that is like. I was going to. Josh, it's very tricky. Josh with like the pants. panel structure, I remember his kids, just being like, no, it just goes like, well, I understand it. But you as a kid, you're giving yourself too much credit now. You were like, I don't like this.

But yeah, then I'd just like go build a jump outside and like ride my bike and like take this jump a bunch of times. Josh is far more fearless than me, both physically and also certainly early on as a performer, Josh was way more likely to audition for things like school plays. And when did that performance gene start to creep in? I feel like we always were sort of performing for our parents when we were really little. Like foot of the bed is probably where it all started, the foot of our parents' bed. Yeah. And then in junior high, the first play I did was fame.

and we're from New Hampshire, not a super diverse state. And I'll give you, well, I'll just tell you, I played Leroy. Probably not. Doesn't age well. No, I don't think it aged well even in the moment. Yeah, I think probably,

I think probably based on the diversity of our school, probably just shouldn't have done fame. Right. Probably would have been a good idea. That project. You're like, whoever has that V. can just throw it in the... It's what's known now

as a classic reverse Hamilton where we played a lot of diverse roles with white people. You should have done like the boys of Syracuse or something. Well, we did My Fair Lady the next year and so that... There you go. There you go.

That fit, a little cleaner. That's funny. Who were you in My Fair Lady? Were you the lead in that too? No. I was Colonel Hugh Pickering who has one song and it's very much watch a sort of spoken song called You Did It. Do you remember who Henry was?

Do you still hold a grudge? Yeah, John Villeneuve. Oh, he was good. He was good, man. He was good. He wasn't too afraid to sing. And I was like, I was fine to, to, like, act and do scenes, but I was always very nervous to sing, and I'm still nervous to sing a lot of times.

And I think I have a fine voice, but, like, karaoke weirds me out sometimes because I don't, I feel like my voice is better than people that are going to be like funny and bad, but not as good as people who sound like, oh, this person can really sing. You're right in that middle ground. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like when people are listening, they're like, oh, this is kind of, I don't, I'm not, it's not funny to me and it's not really all that.

Right. This is my, this is my anxiety. I have the same thing at karaoke because I actually sing. So it's sort of like you're, you're like, you show up to karaoke. and everybody's like drunk and being silly and I'm like I don't know how to... Like should I go for it or be funny?

I don't know. You got to read the room. Do I sing I will always love you or... Do I really get after it? Do I do my runs or do I stay away from the run? It's really funny. It's true. Like you almost have to read the karaoke room

because sometimes maybe it's a crowd, a sophisticated crowd, you can really belt. Yeah. Or you're like, oh God, do I just half-assed this thing and have a good time? Yeah. Classic tweener problem. Tweeter.

When you get stuck in the middle in karaoke, nobody's happy. That's right. It's a terror. Everyone just starts literally ignoring you. Sitting there by yourself. The go-to is then, for me, I've learned that my fallback at karaoke is the duet. Mm-hmm. So if you're duetting, then you have, like, Greece, you know, summer loving, then you can kind of lean into being in the in-between.

Our family karaoke song. when my parents and Josh, when we're all together, we will belt out Thunder Road. We feel like that's a good, like, four-hand. Oh, yes. Yeah. Kind of has a good, like, scream. Our song is Rainjob Sunrose.

Is that our family song? Yeah, the family's never done karaoke, like, ever together. That's what friends are for? Yeah, that's one. We recorded that in Westwood. Yeah. Westwood used to have this thing back in the day, a recording studio, and it was on a tape.

I went there all the time Yeah, we go there and record weird songs Yeah That's fun I mean that thing I mean is that Lost or is it just It's so easy to record everything

Kids don't value at the same way Like I remember we had a friend Who had a VHS tape Yeah And you'd go over to his house And he would just like show Like remember my birthday party two years ago You would just watch it like rap

Oh my God It's so true No but but they have that And this weekend A bunch of Wilders, my oldest bunch of Wilders friends went to downtown L.A. They rented a studio. Oh, fun. And Milo, one of his boys, made a beat, and they all rapped on this wrote raps and did an entire

song and they played it for me. So they actually went and did it. I mean, it was crazy to listen to. It was all auto-tuned and insane. That's good. As long as they like still like putting it together. That's all that matters. Oh, yeah.

That they want to make a thing. So performing, did performing come first or did like, The creating part, like, when you, when you, because I, like, just as an example, I came out, like, with high kicks and, like, loving a stage, whereas Oliver was always trying to figure out what the show was or what the, what the movie was we were going to make and writing it. I made movies every weekend with a friend with filters and blood and squibs and the whole thing, and she was acting. And I was always like, you know, tell me who I am. Um, I mean, I feel like, I don't know if you think of it as, as seminal a moment, Josh, but do you remember the comedy night we did at high school?

Yeah, for sure. I was going to say the same thing. And again, we weren't the organized. It was we had a friend, I feel like it was Matt Traxler who did it. And he just basically went to the school and said, we have like all these funny kids. We wanted to do sketches one night. And it was, it was like the first massive hit in my life I was a part of. Like, we sold out the auditorium.

It was like on a Thursday night and we did a collection of like I remember Josh and I did a Monty Python sketch but we also wrote sketches about teachers that did way better than they had any right to do because it was all these sort of like C plus B minus impressions of teachers but just crushing with kids like crush it out.

And that was the first taste. Yeah, there was a talent show called Winter Follies and we would enter that and typically do like people would be, you know, doing a ballet routine or someone would have a piano piece that they would play and a band would come out. And we would typically do a sketch for Monty Python. And then sort of comedy night came about

and it was just a full night of just like sketch comedy. So what did you guys watch? Do you remember what was your favorite Monty Python sketched? Yeah, Monty Python, Steve Martin. Like, who did you watch? kids we did the dead parrot sketch which i actually saw online recently like someone has a video of it of us doing it wow yeah it's incredible yeah like we're incredible good like how i'm good oh then i don't want to see it's uh yeah and we're doing you know we're doing our british

accents as well it's uh oh it's the best but we did um to speak to what you ask oliver like our dad like I feel like always introduced us to stuff. Oh, I bet it was the same for you. I'm going to put my money. It was the same for you guys. But like age inappropriate. Like we were listening to Richard Pryor, Alms, Steve Martin albums.

And when you're, so what you're starting is listening to with Steve, you're listening to somebody who's already deconstructing stand-up. Like that's your intro is somebody who's like looking at it through a lens of the old way it was hacky. And then Monty Python we used to watch. It would air on PBS. And I feel like. Sunday nights at seven, and my parents would let us stay up and watch that, which was such a trip.

But those were, and so we, anything that was comedy made for kids, I remember not liking, thinking it was super hacky. Yeah. For me, it was always something more, I mean, even like SNL. And then, and then it was kids in the hall. I remember getting into like kids in the hall and. Well, then Matt TV, right? Josh, you were on Mad TV. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't, I didn't, I didn't watch. watch Mad TV much, but yeah, we used to tape SNL, and we would stay up and watch it when we had like a VHS recorder. And then we would, in the mornings, on Sunday mornings, we would play the sort of best sketches for our parents.

Were you on, were you on with Bobby Lee? Yeah, I worked with Bobby Lee. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he was on there, too. I did a show with him. Yeah. He's crazy. So you guys basically, you were already, you were already writing and organizing comedy in high school.

Yeah. And then, yeah. And then for me, and then eventually for Josh, so I went to Northwestern, and I was a film major and thought I wanted to, you know, direct, make movies. And then New Student Week, I saw the Northwestern Improv Troop. And, you know, again, it was just students crushing in front of students. And I just felt such deep jealousy.

I wanted it so, it's all I wanted to do. My parents were paying so much money. And I was like, There's this thing where you just make up stuff off the top of your head based on suggestions from the audience. You don't even come up with the suggestion. It's like, it's so easy.

It's so easy. You can't believe, I can't believe how much you're paying for this. This is ridiculous. But that's all I wanted to do. But it only, I auditioned every year. I didn't get it until my senior year. Really?

Do you remember your auditions? Like, what you had to do? Was it just straight improv? And you just sucked? It was like, straight improv. Like, you would just, I mean, it was like, and there were eight, there were only eight slots. I don't know what it's like now,

but it was eight, capped at eight. So it wasn't like this giant improv troupe. And I will say the people they cast were always exceptional. It wasn't like I ever felt like I got jobed. But they finally all graduated and I did it my studio year. And then Josh, you did it for two years, right? Yeah. Yeah.

But it was great. And then you do that and you kind of think, I remember being on stage, you know, at our student union or whatever. I'm thinking, oh, I just want to do this until somebody tells me to stop. I don't have any other plans than you're trying to. I auditioned for the groundlings one time and it was sort of like on a whim, Like my friends and I just said, well, let's go like audition for the groundings. And I went in there and we did a little thing.

And then you're supposed to stand up. You're back to the audience. And they shout something like you're a crazy dentist or you're a this and this and this. And I get up there and they're like, okay, you're the king of cheese. And I took it as like an Italian guy who has a cheese store rather than being like a cheesy guy. I think that's what they wanted. So I turned on. I'm like, I got the mozzarella.

I got the fucking Swiss cheese. What do you want? And everyone's staring at me like. like, what is this guy doing? I, by the way, that was where I went first as well, Oliver, yours. I love it. Same. I think that's the better choice.

I didn't get in. No, it didn't work. Impro. Well, that must have been why. You just got it wrong. Improv for me was like the breakthrough. Like, that was when my first improv class was in high school. And we did a semester of improv, and I remember my first improv, and I was like, oh, like, that's everything because I felt so free.

And, like, it was like something that didn't, I had no fear in improv. I love it because you didn't have to learn any lines, too. I also feel like when you do improv or when you start getting into it, you know more about it than your audience does. And when people are first learning about it, it's like, it's magic. It like, like, people really have their minds blown. And so if you're like performing for college students who haven't, you know, haven't been going down to Second City or Improlympic and all of a sudden they're seeing sort of their fellow students like, wait, they're, they're really, they, this isn't written before. Like, they're just doing it off the top of their heads.

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's like doing magic. I would imagine. Yeah. There's also, I like some of the rules for life. Like, I remember the first rule.

ever learned and improv was don't use the word no don't ever negate the problem is you brought that into your sex life

and it didn't it was bad it was all bad my how many kids you said you have a thousand that's right

with the different fathers so he's not wrong I've learned boundaries it took me took me 20 years to get past that

It's so true, though, that yes-and attitude towards it is a really good life lesson. And you realize people want to hang out with you. I mean, I know my three friends who are the most yes-and, and they're the ones you want to travel with. They're the ones you want to do anything, where if something goes wrong, they just embrace it as a, you know, a new advantage. I remember we had this amazing, and again, this is, comes from just the blessing. we've had growing up in the family that we grew up in. But we took a family trip to Costa Rica. So here's another good, this I can share.

But, and we ended up running into Robin Williams. It was like a weird moment where my mom and I went to this yoga thing and someone wanted to show us this place where they did yoga in the jungle. And we walk in there and Robin is just sitting in this yoga hut. And my, we're like, what? What? My mom was like, oh, my God. And we ended up having a great time.

And Robin and his wife are like, when are you guys going back, we said Wednesday. And they're like, we're going back Wednesday. Come with us. And they had an airplane. So of course, my parents were like, yes, we'll go back with you on your airplane. But we do have our entire family. They're like, great, come. We end up driving down the.

the road to get to Robin Williams plane and there was a sugar cane strike in the road with big trucks literally it was like you know it was a one lane highway two huge trucks people cars on the side of the road people trying to get around it was crazy and I haven't thought about this for years

and now we couldn't get to the other side people were trying to call we didn't have at this time we were young there there We're no, like, cell phones. So we're trying to find how to get to the airport. We're talking to people. We don't speak Spanish. We finally found one car.

Okay, there was one car, nice car, that my mom and Robin's wife went in. And me and Oliver and Kurt and Robin had to sit in the back for an hour. The back of a truck. That in the back of a pickup truck, one of those small pickup trucks, right, with all the luggage and all of us sitting on top of this pickup truck. And Wyatt, who at the time was like... Baby. Five? Yeah.

Is sitting in between this Costa Rican, you know, Marlio Farming farmer family in the cab with the man driving and the wife, a little Wyatt with his little white head. And Robin was so mad because this was not. You know, that what ended up happening in order to turn it around, we saw it happen. We got a 45-minute stand-up in the back of this pickup truck. He couldn't stop. And he just, it was like, I mean, talk about watching a master in a natural element of like, I am so not having happy right now that the only thing I can do. Right.

It's laugh and make jokes. And he made a joke about Wyatt and his new family and where he's his new life. And he just kept going and going and going. And I was like, oh, my God, like that again, here was another inspirational moment for me where I was like, there's nothing better than taking a stressful moment and being able to create what he created for us in the back of this little pickup truck in 1995. Wow, I haven't thought about that. in a long time.

I'm not wild. Are you guys critical at each other? Critical of your comedy growing up? Were you able to sort of talk about that's good, that's bad? You could be better here, you know, or was you just go, just roll? We, I think we were pretty, we were not very critical. And then we, after college, we both worked, we overlap, not for very long, but we worked together in Amsterdam.

These Chicago guys started an improv comedy theater in Amsterdam called Boom Chicago. And so we overlap there. I directed some shows Josh was in. But I never, I do think when it comes to taste, that's probably where Josh and I align the closest. And so it's very rare for us to have super divergent opinions. And I also think we're pretty hard on ourselves on stage. So it would be rare for one of us to come off and be like, fucking killed it. And have the other one to feel, actually.

I think if anything, we're more a cheerleader for each other than the other. But are you, are you? Can you say to Josh and Josh said, Seth, like, you know, that, you know, it wasn't great? Or does it, does it even need to be said? I feel like if you, if it doesn't, also if it doesn't go well, I feel like the biggest example of this is like Seth's done a lot of stand-up now. And if he gets off and it hasn't been a good show, which I don't know if I've seen one that hasn't been good, but he feels it more than I do.

I feel like the performer knows if it's like, this is a hot room or this isn't. And I feel like my, I might make suggestions for things, but I would never, I wouldn't be like, cut all this. Like, nothing's working here. It might be like, maybe try this, maybe try this. But I feel like we try to be additive more than like, and I will say like before I was doing, Josh was coming to shows before I did my Netflix special.

He was, I was doing practice hours and Josh was coming and meeting me on the road and coming. And I think, though, again, he would pitch jokes and that was really helpful. but it's true like you i i certainly have a tendency to remember the best a joke is gone and so i would walk off and say i feel like this this this and josh was great at being like oh no i'm i've seen the last six like they are consistent shows like it's not i know you're hearing these different levels but like if you're aiming which i was if you're aiming to be consistent by the taping here special like this is all let me ask you a question as far as stand up goes you know it's kind of a weird one to answer but how much of it is the performer and how much of it is the performer and how much

of it as the audience, meaning taking that joke, that one joke, whatever that is, you've been consistent with that joke, but there's different levels. So are we now blaming the audience when it doesn't go well? So that's the thing. I think the reality is some audiences are quieter than others.

I'm not blaming them. They just sound quieter. But my problem is I always blame myself, even though I think sometimes it's just an audience is less electric. And I'm not blaming them, but you're just like, I think it's impossible not to be like, what the, how do I screw it up? Right.

It always works. And then sometimes it just something. That must be so interesting because, I mean, I think the hardest thing in the world is stand-up comedy because, like, for me, when I'm on stage, it's almost like I black out. Like, I just go and then I get off the stage and you're sort of like, was that okay? Like, I, you know, how was it? Like, it's hard for me to gauge. But I guess if you're doing something consistently every night, which I haven't done for

since high school, basically. But then I guess you have a little bit more awareness. Like, you become your own witness a little bit. The shock value is gone, too, where you haven't done it. Yeah. You know. The fun, it's weird, though, like how one of the most dangerous things is you get too used to a joke, you know, one that always works.

And then you, without knowing you're doing it, you fall out of love with it, or you just start assuming it's going to work without actually connect. with it as you say it. Right. And so, like, that's the, you know, the great, the fun thing about doing a, the late night joke is, it's different every night, so you don't have to worry about, like, it's all in a good way and a healthy way to disposable. Like, if a joke doesn't work, you don't have to worry about how am I going to fix it?

Because you're just going to tell a different one tomorrow. Whereas with stand-up, you do want to refine it and make it tighter and tighter with, while also keeping it fresh because you have to, the audience knows it's not the first time you're doing it, but they want to, they want to feel like it's the first time. you're saying it. So that's part of the performance as well. Do you, I mean, we ask this question a lot, especially with, you know, siblings that do the same thing. Is that challenge, does that ever pose a challenge? Is there ever moments that become challenging for you guys when one, you know, in one, like I always say Oliver, Oliver, always

that you ever get jealous or is there ever moments of like, you know. Envy? Yeah, I think so. I mean, Seth's had. the rare sort of good fortune to have like two jobs, one of which ran for like 14 years, something like that. How long you're in us to now? 12. And then this next one, who knows when that'll end. And I just feel like in, you know, I live in L.A.

And it's, you sort of, you get a job sometimes. And it's like, great, I got a job. And maybe you work for a month. And then it's like, well, that job's over. Got to go find another job. So the sort of the inconsistency of work is, Yeah, as a drag, but I don't know that it's, it's not, like, spiteful envy. It's just like, oh, must be nice.

Must be nice. Yeah. The security. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but I love that you admit that, you know, because we ask this question a lot. And, like, every single person except for, who is it, Chad Lowe?

No, Chad was like, oh, yeah. Yeah, no. Everyone's like, no, of course not. Like, it's all support. And we're always like, I know there's support, but where, you know, but Chad was, Chad Lowe was like, yeah, are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, I wish I was Rob Lowe. I mean, what are you talking about?

We also, I mean, I don't, I mean, again, if you see us up close, I don't think we, like, are identical or anything. But we certainly, it's going to be one of the real hurdles of our podcast guys. Right. Who's talking? You got to put to, you got to change your voice. Yeah, we might tweak, we might have to tweak a voice. Oh, this is true. But you've had, Josh, you've had an amazing crew because you've worked, you really work with all these amazing comedians.

and do you ever do you ever do any writing rooms do you like to write i do like to write and like and set and i have written a couple things um you know that we've sold that haven't turned into things but but set took all the credit nice to be in that space um and and uh you know obviously not writing anything at the moment no with the strike but that was a trap that was a trick question we are not they're undercover for the guild um and yeah and yeah but I haven't really gone into writers' rooms. I had sort of, it's a mild regret of mine, or you know, you try to let these things go.

But because I've been an actor, I was always worried about getting into a writer's room and then not being able to get out of a writer's room and get back onto a set. And so, but now I look back and it was like, well, that was like dumb. I should have put that foot forward, you know, ages ago. And then, you know, I would sort of,

I would be more familiar with those rooms or I would know more of those people or I could, you know, get those jobs. And now I feel like if I were to go into a writer's room, I would be kind of new in that situation and also old in that situation to be the new person. So, yeah. I feel like we need more older writers and writers' rooms. Yeah, but they're there. And they've always been in writers. They're just older now. I'm just so bummed when when that moment

where your older brother starts talking, your younger brother starts talking about how he's older and you're like, oh, sure, like, what am I? He is. Yeah, when the ages just start melding together. You guys are so, you know, well-rounded with each, in your relationships, like, where is there any tension or is there at all?

I mean, do you guys butt heads? Is there certain situations or issues that come up where, you know, there's some... No, no. I mean, I feel like we've... I mean, one thing is we've been on the opposite coasts for, you know, 20 years. You know, the last place we lived together was Amsterdam, and that's a really long time ago. But, you know, I will say, like, I mean, we've written things together and I've really enjoyed the process. But I think that, you know, kind of is where the rubber meets the road.

We've had disagreements there, but pretty affable disagreements. I don't think it's been. We've never really had to get into it. And you guys are literally on different coast now. That's hard. Yeah, but we have been for 20 years, so we're kind of used to it. How long were you in Amsterdam? I was there for three and a half years total.

Wow. And Seth was there a year and a half. I was there two years, but I would go back a lot. Yeah. I didn't even know there was a place that, I didn't even know Chicago had an improv there. They still? They start, it's just these guys. They started their own sort of used the second city model.

And they're actually this summer, they're having the 30th anniversary of the theater, which is nuts. Did you have a blast? I mean, was it so fun? Yeah. It was the best. Oh, God. It was the perfect age.

Somebody sent me a picture recently of like the cast in 2000. And there were so many of us and like just so many like all star performers. Yeah. It was like, it was great. Oh, my God. I mean, not that we don't love our lives now. I love my kids. I love it all.

I mean, you know, but. when you when you reflect and you go back to that time it's just like holy shit that was it oh and to be like to be 20 yeah 20 in amsterdam and like doing sketch stand-up doing sketch comedy improv comedy i mean holy jesus we also we were right before the euro so we would still get paid they would pay us in cash and uh with gilders which looks like you can't fucking believe it was legal tender it's the goofiest money an envelope of goofy colorful money and none of it felt like the idea of like saving it

it would sound insane so you would just burn through the cash every week and then you do more shows and get more cash and again as Josh said it's also all of us you know the whole cast was Americans everybody came over and we got to be really close

and continue to be really close that thing where you move abroad and you get to strip away everything you don't like about yourself and just keep the things you do like and start fresh with a new group of people and I'm so so happy I did it I know is there any way to do that now at our age to strip away everything that we don't like about ourselves is there is it possible and start fresh in an earful from your wife and kids what are you doing now what is this I think it is I think it's always available the energy in Amsterdam is one of the great it's one of the great places in

the world. Oh, it was there for my honeymoon. Oh, he's part of the honeymoon. It was great. It was so fun. We did a trip. Years and years ago, Seth ran the Helsinki Marathon. Thank you for mentioning that.

Yeah. We went to. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, back up. Yeah, running in a Helsinki marathon, like, you literally ran it? It was a dream of his. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I ran, I finished. I ran and finished the Helsinki Marathon. You can look it up online.

It's dougalable. When you say that you finished it, is that a joke? Yeah. I mean, that was for our, you know, our pun-savvy listeners. But we did sort of a, we did a great trip leading up to it where we went to like Copenhagen, we went to Stockholm, then we went to Helsinki. And we were in these great cities. And then we got, we did like three days in Amsterdam on the heels of it. And when we got to Amsterdam, it was just like, yeah, those are incredible cities that we just went to. But there's just something about Amsterdam. It's so small. It's so quaint. And like to be on those canals. And the townhouses and you see people inside at night, like doing things and hanging out.

Yeah. Oh, I just, I love it. They don't close their curtains. If they close their curtains, there's like a cultural thing there. And it's like, well, if you close your curtains, what are they doing behind them? Yeah. And so you'll see like, you'll see naked people all the time just walking around like from their bathroom to their bedroom because they're like, if I close these, it'll be scandalous. So I'll show you, I'm just naked.

I'm going to the shower and then I'm going to go put some clothes on. That's my deal. I will say that when you get older, Ollie, because it is like we're going back, I'm going back this summer and I'm talking to, like, people from my generation and it was so, it's both wonderful and sad that all we're talking about now

it's no like late nights at the clubs. It's like, I just want to get coffee in the morning. No, no, those canals, baby. Yeah, no, I know. I want to get my, yeah, you want your little waffle crisp and your coffee. Yeah, no, it's so true,

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I just worry there's not enough comedy that's theirs and theirs alone. It feels like there's so much, so many fewer comedy films, right? And so I feel like kids are watching The Office, which is great. You know, they're watching Friends. Those shows are great. But I'm wondering where their shows are because I do feel like you want to have some. that's not also your parents. Yeah, like Ryder.

Riders watches the new girl. He loves, like, the new girl. Like, they do, they watch all of our old. It's all streaming now. Everything, everything is back, you know. So these shows are being. And there's so few. I mean, I would say, we did, like, we were watching Monty Python, which wasn't exactly.

That's a good point. That's fair point. That's true. And faulty towers. Like, that was. We're faulty tower kids. I just hope our kids are funny. That's all.

I just want, I just think it's, it can be very torturous. when, you know, the funny gene. But at the same time, it gets us through everything, I think. It got us through some really, like, hard, dark moments and to, like, be raised in a funny house where we're able to... Oh, my self-deprecations. It's covering all my pain. Jesus.

It's the way I get through life. I just have to put myself down so no one else does first. Get there first, yeah. Key. I learned to stop. I've just, I graduated from that. Okay, well, let's do our speed round. Okay, great.

Okay, one word to describe. Oh, you guys have to say the names of each other because, or your own name before you talk because you guys sound so much like. Okay, one word to describe the other. This is supposed to be a speed round. I'm just going to. Oh, I'm sorry. I believe that Josh is fearless.

I believe that Seth is loving Oh Yeah Yeah Yes Okay what about at 13 Josh was permy That means you have a perm

It wasn't a perm It was a Vavum And Seth was Husky Did you really have a Vavum? Yeah I had a Vavum It was I think by Loreal It was a poster up at the place where I got my haircut

and I was like, I want one of those. That is a touch tag ad. That is a tough, that is a tough day to walk into school when one day your hair was like flat as a pancake and the next day it's like boing, boing curly.

That is. He's fearless. He's fearless. Yeah. Is he more fearless than you? You think as far as just comedy goes, as far as putting yourself out there? Everything.

Everything. Yeah. I mean, he does stand-up. Stand-up spooks me. So I haven't done nearly as much of that as I would like to do. Why do you think it spooks you, though? Like, you know, you're funny. Because it's just like, because versus improv,

you're just getting up on stage and you're like, I wrote these jokes, aren't these jokes funny? And I feel like there's some presumptuousness about that. And like, and I've tried it a couple times like here and there. And like when it doesn't go well, I am deeply affected. Not in a good way. Oh, are you really?

I don't think, yeah. But Seth, you're not, meaning if you bomb, you're okay with it. I've tried to put myself in a position where I don't bomb a lot. Right. I will say the last time I really bombed

was I hosted Rihanna's Diamond Ball. And it just wasn't, let's just say it wasn't my room. Oh. Yeah. How bad? And my wife was there. And my wife was there.

And my wife is incredibly supportive, and I do a lot of charity events in New York, and my wife is often there. And again, charity events, and by nature, go worse than if you're in a theater playing for your audience. And so every time I sit down, she'll be like, oh, that went really well. Because I'm like, was that okay? She's like, oh, that went well. And a diamond ball I sat down. She was like, that was a real disaster. What is the—

Yeah, I don't want to deal with that. First of all, those are—look, like you said, charity events are tough rooms anyway. because it's always in a loud, weird place where, like, the ceilings are super tall and, like, it's not super, it's not like, I don't know. But also, just imagine the coolest, youngest people who are about to get Rihanna, and they're like, and now the comedy styling, set my...

Hey, you knew what you were getting into, though, didn't you? Look, if there's anybody, I'll follow my sword for. It's Rihanna. I have no regrets about that. evening. Definitely a very, very cool room. So your wife, though. Like, I don't think O'Dell Beckham was like, oh, great. Seth Myers and Brian.

Okay, one word to describe your relationship. Close. Yeah, tight. Favorite thing, favorite show to watch as a kid. S&L. Cheers. Here's the thing too I was actually thinking about this the other day

sitcoms used to be really incredible I mean if you look at cheers they were all theater actors The writers were incredible I mean if you watch the way it's even shot It's just different Why can't we try to get back to that And go to the standard sitcom

I was just with Jim Burroughs actually At a golf tournament and pitching him this idea And of course I was drank like 80 tequila's and like Come on bro I was like, let's do this. And he didn't bite? He didn't bite.

He didn't say, yeah, let's do it, kid. Yeah, but, but, I mean, what happened? Do you think there's a way back to that? I don't know. I'm a little worried. I will currently say my, my current situation about everything is a little worried if we're talking about show business. I know.

Yeah. The other thing is, like, you did have to do a bunch of pilots. I mean, they used to shoot a bunch of pilots. They'd take a bunch of swings. Yeah. And even then, they didn't, you know, again, the hit rate wasn't great, but they did. It was the idea was like, let's try a bunch of stuff. And then eventually we'll get a cheers or friends or a fine.

And they were looking for family. They were looking for adults and for kids to watch together. And they don't do that anymore because everything's so compartmentalized. Yeah. It's like, this is for kids. And I, weirdly, you know, I always try to explain to my wife that, like, I know the, I, From a wide shot, watching TV is not great for kids to just sit around and watch TV. But, like, we did watch TV together as a family.

Yes. And it was the best. You watched Cheers together. It was super fun and brought you closer together. I'm sorry. This happened to us this weekend. It was me and Bing and Ronnie and Danny sitting in the living room. And we decided to watch something together.

But we could only see it on the Spectrum app, which had commercials. And now we're watching this thing with commercials. And I realized we hadn't sat down. and watched a show with commercials like that. It's maddening. And we had so much fun, though. In between. We're supposed to be fun.

The other night, I had friends over to watch a basketball game. And then after the game, we were like still hanging out, and it wasn't really that late. And we put on the end of Wheel of Fortune. And we watched like 10 minutes of Wheel of Fortune. It's so much fun. And then we watched Family Feud. We watched a half hour of family food. And it was a delight

And we were watching commercials And it was like It was a like chunk of television That I never watched But that was so familiar And so... It's so nice. Pleasant.

And you're doing it like to get... And then you'd kind of talk during the commercials And you talk about what you're watching And then you don't know That I wish we could bring that. I would be very worried if I was TikTok right now.

Make the picture. any of your television. Okay, wait, we have to keep going. Okay. Okay, who is the louder laugh? Ooh, me. Me. Oh, I think I do.

Okay. Yeah. Who laughs? It's always fun there. My mother is a, when she's in the audience of Seth's show, there's usually a couple moments when you can pick her laugh out. And it's always really fun to watch those.

She always, she laughs at her. everything. She is a very forgiving audience. And I remember during one time at S&L, I told a joke on week at an update where literally she was the only person who laughed. And the next morning, Josh text me. At least mom liked that one. Oh, that's the bad. Did you acknowledge it on the show or no? I did not. I think that was the part of my career where I was too afraid to acknowledge. Right. I would now. My own show, I would.

Do you remember people, like every, every person that was on SNL? Like, do you remember, I mean, the host? Like each host? Or do you, does that after a while start to like get muddy? It's interesting. I feel like on SNL, yes, to some degree. It gets a little muddy, but if it, if you talked about the week, I would remember something. Whereas it's a lot harder when you have a talk show.

Right. I remember, you know what I mean? Because at SNL, you do spend a whole week. So you feel like you have. That's true. Are you creatively fulfilled in your talk show? I know you love it, but like. So I love it.

I'm so. creatively fulfilled. I love it so much. It's a perfect second act to all the years I spent at SNL, but I'm 100%. It's the best. So are you doing anything else? Yeah, so how could you not be envious? Right. It's the best I am. I have everything I mean. Meanwhile, my brother, he like to work seven months at a time. And then I followed it up with maybe the second best job ever. That's amazing. Oh, that's definitely going to be our cliff. Like you and I will start a talk show, buddy. Me and you, I need it too.

Okay. On only fans, though. All right. That's where the money's at. That's where the money's at, buddy. I'm telling you, we can be really funny. We could have our own talk show on OnlyFans. We'd kill it.

Family feud. According to your parents, who do you think they'd say broke the most rules as a kid? Seth. Yeah, I would say Seth as well. really because you but you were like more in your room organizing comics I was I feel like though I would I would I think they would count stuff like fully lying about report card stuff

I was maybe more of just a dead-eyed liar yeah there was like there was famously because Seth would get in trouble for things and I wouldn't and there was a night when I went and slept over at this girl's house with a bunch of people. We slept up at Molly Souter's house, but I always would go spend the night at my buddy Randy Suazo's house, like on the regular with Tim O'Brien and Tim Wilson,

and we would be at Randy Swazzo's. And for whatever reason, this morning, Tim O'Brien's dad needed Tim O'Brien to come home to help him move a table. And so they called our house early in the morning, like on a Saturday. And they were like, yes, Tim there. And my parents were like, no. And then the parents started calling around and figuring out, like, they're not at any of these houses that they're supposed to be at. And Seth, like, woke up to come downstairs because he heard all these phone calls and, like, where's Josh? And he knew I was going to get in trouble. And he came down to sit at the kitchen table for me to come in and try to lie to my dad and then get caught and then get grounded. And then Seth went right back up to bed. And he was like, yes. He just wanted

to witness it. That's how happy. That's the best. What about your first celebrity crush? Oh, Josh was just talking about this. Yeah, Pat Benatar was my first celebrity crush. Oh, that's a really good one. I broke my leg skiing, and it was when MTV had just come out. So I was spending a lot of time in the condo or the hotel room.

And, yeah, she really, she got me. She got you. Mia Sarah, was she, she was the actress in Ferris Bueller, right? Oh, my goodness. That's a very popular one. Her and Phoebe Kay's. I loved her. Yeah, she was great.

She was great. Where is she now? Where is she now? If your brother was an animal, which one would he be? Oh, no. An otter. I was going to say, I don't know. I have capybara in my head for some reason.

I'll say a capybara. Yeah. The world's largest rodent. Yeah, thank you. It's almost like a bear-like rodent. No, this keeps getting more flattering. Like a husky rodent. A bear rodent.

Bear rodent. Okay. Usually the people conducting the speed round aren't this slow. No, I know. We edit, you know. Wait till you hear it. It's going to fly. It's going to be like crazy.

Zap. It's like at a 1.5 speed, it's like nothing. Who's more athletic? I think Josh is, I can just like run in a straight line for longer, but Josh is more athletic. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that's, I agree. When there's turning, you want Josh. Your parents equally think you're funny or do they, do they?

Oh, yeah. Who do your parents think is the funniest? Do they, I mean, I know they would never. I think that's pretty equal. I would definitely, I would definitely say that's easy. equal. Yeah. And we'd like, you know, when you get together with your families, you sort of play your roles. And I, I sort of feel like I, I lay in the grass and wait to strike. You do. I'm a bit of a Dave Stasson in that way. Are you, I'm just desperate for my father's approval.

Are you, are you guys? Are you? I mean, we don't know where he is. I don't know where he is. Exactly. Are you self-deprecating, Josh? Do you have self-deprecating humor? Is that part of your thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, yeah. I think, yeah. I think you have. do you like i do play off of the idea that like you know everyone's more famous and more successful than me he wants to relate i don't know that i lean too hard into that that's too close to home but yeah you should try it so this is we always end each episode with these two questions the first part is if there's anything that you could kind of take away from your sibling to relieve them of any kind of stress or something in their life that you think would be really good for them

and help them live their best life, what would that be? And then the second part of the question is what is the one thing that you wish you had more of that you wish you could emulate that your sibling, a characteristic that your sibling has? I mean, one of the reasons why I'm always trying to find a way for us to collaborate was I just feel like both of our lives would be less stressful if we had more of a professional reason to spend time with each other because being on the opposite coasts, you know, it's like we talk on the phone and whatnot, but we just don't have much reason to interact because we don't see each other as much as I'd like. So I feel like that would be a nice stress reduction for both of us to just have something to do. do together, which is, you know, to me honest, one of the reasons why, you know, we thought a podcast would be a good idea. It certainly seems like you guys are enjoying each other's company.

It's really coming across over there. It's fun. How often do you guys actually see each other? Three times a year? Yeah, I bet a little more. Yeah. I think more than that. Oh, then you're going to have you started doing the podcast yet?

We've recorded a couple episodes. We haven't released anything. You're going to love it. I mean, I think that Oliver and I, the thing that we just, it was like having the idea, but then the actual... This is fun. Yeah, but I think what we got the most out of it was that it made us have to be together and share with each other.

And it's like reminiscing over old stories or talking about what's going on in that day, things that we would have never actually communicated about. Like he could come in all stressed out about something and I'm like, what's going on? And that conversation would have never happened if we didn't have our podcast. You know, so I think you guys are going to find. And you're having guests as well? Yeah. So each episode is a different guest where we sort of just, and the nice thing, too,

is, you know, we're using family trips as the jump off. But it is just a way to talk to people about their families, their siblings. And, you know, I mean, most people, the present company expect, except, you know, didn't grow up with famous parents. Yeah. that is true Yeah like when you're a kid also Everything seems amazing Like the first time we ever had a joining hotel room

So it was like oh my God And like it's just It's easy to have your jaw dropped By something when you're six Oh yeah It's like every kid I feel like you know Every kid in America probably It was like on their way to a private plan

With Robin Williams when a sugar cake strike All right, wait. No, no, we got to do the other one. The other one. Okay, so. What is this something about your brother that you wish you had? Yeah, to emulate, something that you would love to have more of for yourself. I mean, I would love that ability to sort of, the stand-up sort of gene, I would like that more, that ability to just let go.

of that fear and go out and know that you'll probably, you'll be fine at the end of the day. Yeah. It's funny because Josh, I'm the same way with Kate, you know? Yeah, because I feel like we're both performers, but that's sort of something that I just, I can't put myself in the game.

And that's what you have to do is you have to put yourself in the game. You have to call your own number. And I just like, I have a file on my phone called Stand Up. And, like, when I scroll down, it goes on and on and on. But I don't, like, I haven't been on stage to do it in years. You got to do it. Yeah. But the other thing is, like, when you talk to stand-ups, they're always like, well,

you just got to go out. And, like, you got to do, like, you know, three sets a night, six nights a week. And I'm like, but my couch, my girlfriend and my dog. And like, what about those things that I love? This, it all goes back to our only fans. I'm telling you, we can do anything we want there. anything we want. And by the way, 1099 a month,

who knows, it could blow up. We could be huge. Okay, but you have to do what you would emulate from Josh. I can't figure out a way to phrase this and I'm making it sound pretentious, but I feel like Josh is far more connected to the natural world than I am.

And I know he was just talking about being on the couch. But Josh has always, I feel like the amount of times I check in with him and he's on him, he's hiking or he's skiing or he's outdoing. I think, like, he, like, my appreciation of what L.A. is is so tiny compared to what Josh has discovered in his years there as far as that aspect. And when I'm with Josh, he often forces my hand to go outside and do things I would never do on my own. And those are days where I'm just, I mean, again, being outside, doing things, being physical, you're always happier.

So that is a thing that I've always appreciated. I love that. And Josh, what is one thing that you wish you could kind of alleviate for your brother's well-being and be like, I- Take my children. Please, please take them. Yeah, I mean, just like my wife, take my children, take them for a year. General stress.

If I, yeah, I feel like if I could take, I don't know, if, if for one, day a week I could take his wife and all of her family away to somewhere nice I mean I love

he loves them very close to them I really do but they are they are everywhere and you're omnipresent yeah yeah and there's a lot of them

and they descend like locusts but loving locusts you know how many you know how many there are one more than you remember That's how they get you. That's how they get you.

You think you got all your bases covered and there's old, old cousin weirdo. But I will say, you know, Seth doesn't, he's not often in my apartment in L.A., but when he comes here, he's like, he's here to do press for 24 hours and he might have like a couple hours he can come over and we're going to watch a game

or we're going to grab dinner or something like that. And he'll lay on the couch and I just, I let him sleep. Like, because he can fall asleep at the drop of a hat. And I always want him to be comfortable. And I want him to be able to like get that rest that he won't get anywhere else. And I'm happy to just like pull out my book. That's great. That's nice.

Chill out music and just let him let him nap. Josh will deliver a tequila soda, some pretzels, a little bit of hummus. It's very, I get treated very well. in my brief moments of my brothers That's great So you actually already actively do alleviate some of your brothers need what he needs

Well you guys are the best This was so fun I'm so happy we finally got to be able to do this I can't wait to listen to your podcast I know this was a real I mean this is so fun to do But also what an education Is we're about to embark on our own

You guys lay out a beautiful blueprint This was so much fun Oh thanks And honestly have a blast I mean, you're going to love it. You know, well, what we found was that when you talk about family, when you really get into the ins and outs of whether it be the great times or the really challenging times, especially with siblings,

it's so relatable. Not too many people talk about the sibling relationship. Yeah, it's an important one. And it's so important. Do you guys cry in front of each other? We have for sure. Are you cryers? Generally, you guys cry?

We're hoping the plan is to cry two, three times a podcast. I think you should. That's what we do. It helps. It helps with downloads. If you want to hear us cry more, hit subscribe.

We just got the data back. Big spikes on the cries. Well, from one sibling team to the other, you guys, thanks so much. Yeah, thank you guys. This is so great. Thank you. This is a blast.

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