Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Sex Magic with Dr. Laura Berman

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Don’t get hot and bothered until you listen to this NSFW episode with best-selling author and intimacy expert Dr. Laura Berman. From the highs and lows of libidos, to perks and problems with por...n, Kate, Oliver and Dr. Berman dig into the issues that can make a break a healthy sex life. Plus, is a throuple worth the trouble? The answer may surprise you. Learn more about Dr, Berman's book "Sex Magic" here.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:26 Listen to the secret world of Roald Dahl, starting January 19th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling. That's good. Why don't you feel well? Me? I think I'm just coming. I've just been just going, you know, and I'm just tired. And I felt I feel a little achy today.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Like I just want to be in dance. Are you a run down? Yeah, I'm feeling run down. You know, it's making those award. The award pushes just so hard. Shut up. You know, when you're going to all the dinners and sort of thing. How great you are.
Starting point is 00:03:40 All the great cocktails. Nuff, Oliver. You know, all the red carpets of like, oh, my God, it's a genius. That's tough. I feel like the rap party really did me in. Yeah. That late night, you know? And then, and now it's just, um, and then you're just like,
Starting point is 00:04:03 hugging so many people, you know, as like, are people in each other's face? someone gave me something of course oh without a doubt yeah there's absolutely doubt about that probably brad pitt um i'm really excited about who were about to uh interview because these are like my favorite topics of conversation it is i did this thing for bustle where we did like sex talk with kate i was like wait i really want to do this like i actually want to do this like i actually want do like a 10 minute YouTube show that's just like people write in about
Starting point is 00:04:43 relationships. Oh yeah. It's so fun. Well because first of all Laura Berman is going to be coming on in a few seconds but it's you know sexuality sexual experiences between couples like you need to have that. That intimacy
Starting point is 00:05:00 is extremely important. Otherwise I could just marry my best friend John and like raise kids with him you know like which I I'm still considering. I think most women love the idea of raising children with their best friends. No, it's so funny. I know.
Starting point is 00:05:15 I know Eric talks about that. But I feel like that's the way it was. Way back, back pre like, yeah, pre-property kind of ownership. But don't, but didn't they back then need intimacy or was it just like platonic fissory? I think tribal, I think the tribe, like more of like what when we were. We're kind of in families under 100 people, like communities under 150 people. We were, our families raised our kids and our intimacy and our sex was outside of the family, obviously.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because sort of you relied on sex and men for procreation, but then your family, your brothers and sisters and parents raised the children. not a partner.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Yeah, and sexuality is almost like a personality. Everyone's a little bit different, you know. Everyone has their own different ideas of what feels good or what they want. I know. I love all this stuff because there was this thing called like the sexual blueprint. Like what is your blueprint? Like what's your kink, you know? And like some people are just like sex oriented.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Like it's just like they just want to get right to it. Some people are more kinky. Like some people are more. like they're more expressive, like they're more expressive, like they need to talk about, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody has their own weird. I know.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Some people are experimental and like being an open relationship. It's like, you know. Let's bring her on because these are all amazing questions to talk. Okay. So ask her. Oh. Hello. Hey.
Starting point is 00:06:59 How are you? Good. How are you guys? Good. Good, good, good. We're very, very excited to have you on. We were just doing our preamble. And, you know, this is a topic.
Starting point is 00:07:10 It sounds strange for siblings to sort of have this connection or to be able to express themselves like this. But Katie and I talk about this stuff all the time. Laura, how did you get into Dr. Dr. Laura? How did you get into this specifically? Yeah. Thanks. Well, you know, I set out to be a couple's therapist.
Starting point is 00:07:34 And I am a couple's therapist, a relationship therapist. But in my training, you know, when a therapist is in training, you see clients and then you have a supervisor. You go to your supervisor and you say, hey, I had this couple and they blah, blah, blah, what should I do? And they tell you what to do and you go back and you do it. And so because I grew up in a family like yours, which, by the way, is very rare. I think you may know that. Yeah. I was totally come to, like it didn't occur to me that this was something, you know, weird to talk about.
Starting point is 00:08:09 So couples would just naturally bring sexual issues up, duh, right? And I brought it when I started bringing it to my supervisor, she looked at me like I was some kind of purve. And she was like, why are they talking to you about their sex life? I'm like, because I'm, we're doing couples therapy. And it quickly dawned on me that like no one in my graduate school, my supervisors, nobody talked about sex, which made zero sense to me. How can you be a couple's therapist and not address sex? So I got really pissed and I decided to get my own training and I talked my way into the NYU Medical School's fellowship training program that was only open to medical students,
Starting point is 00:08:49 but I wasn't obviously a medical student, but I talked my way in there. And I got fellowship trained and I started getting trained in that. And then I accidentally got famous for that part. I mean, that's just, and it's just always been something that has come easily to me. I always say that, you know, I'm not good at a lot of things, but when it comes to sex, love, and relationships, I'm kind of a savant. Let me, let me, let me, there's so much to talk about because I was just saying to Kate earlier, you know, sexuality is almost like a fingerprint in a way. Everyone is a little bit different, you know, and we have to sort of find our paths to each other sometimes, you know. But before we get into that, I wonder, you know, how important is sex in a relationship? Of course, I think I know the answer to this.
Starting point is 00:09:37 But on the flip side of that, how often do you see the lack of sexual intimacy break up a relationship, marriage, or boyfriend, girlfriend? You know, is that a big factor. Yeah. And that second question is partly the answer to the first. Because when sex is working in a relationship, it's just a part of the way. working relationship. So in that sense, it's just part of it. It's not like the part of it. It's like a mirror to the intimacy. Yes. And it's a huge part of it. That's beautiful. However, when it's not working, that's when it starts to fray the fiber of your connection. That's when
Starting point is 00:10:17 it starts to put your relationship at risk. And, you know, that's not to say if your sex life sucks, one or both of you are going to have affairs, although that certainly happens. But I see so many couples who, you know, one in five couples are living in sexless marriages, which means 10 or less times a year. And I think those statistics have actually drastically increased since the incidents, you know, since social media and people are fubbing each other all the time, you know, snubbing each other with their phones, or just sitting next to each other and not connecting. But the problem is that when it's not working, that's when you start to have a real disconnect. And you can live without sex and plenty of couples do, but you're living like roommates.
Starting point is 00:11:02 You know, and there's an aspect of your connection that is really missing. Not to mention not just the relationship benefits of sex, but all the health benefits of it. Yeah. How would you answer this question, which I think has shifted and changed, especially for me personally, because once I became more vulnerable and more connected to my wife, which happened only in the last like six years because I've been through some shit. you know, sex got different for me, but this whole idea that men need to have sex to feel connected and women need to feel connected to have sex. Is that debunked or is that true? No, that is so true. And I think you could say it even just beyond gender about the masculine and feminine,
Starting point is 00:11:45 right? So if you're, in order to have a healthy sexual connection, you need polarity. One of you needs to be more in your masculine. The other needs to be more in their feminine. It doesn't matter what gender you are. So you could be a guy more in his feminine with another guy who's worn his mask, fill in whatever gender you want there. But the one that lives in their masculine achieves a sense of emotional closeness and connection through the physical act of sex. The one that is more in their feminine achieves, you know, doesn't want to have sex unless they feel that emotional connection and closeness, especially in a long-term relationship. If you're talking about what night stands or the beginning of a relationship, everybody wants to have sex.
Starting point is 00:12:26 But in a long-term relationship, that is a huge part. So for the woman or for the feminine, a huge part of her sexual inspiration is how close she feels to her partner. And the irony is that's where you get the sex romance stalemate. So she may not be as available for sex, even after childbirth or menopause or any other thing, stress, whatever. and she withdraws from her availability for sex. And then he is less tapped and tuned in, emotionally connected. And then she's that much less available for sex. And then that whole stalemate case.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Kate, I started to take this over. I actually have a question for you, Kate Hudson. Oh, geez. Yeah. Maybe I don't want to do this. No, because again, well, Kate, you're obviously extremely feminine. You know, there's no doubt. but you have a strong, you have a masculine side to you, just as I have a feminine streak.
Starting point is 00:13:22 I should probably go on, you know, testosterone to have more masculinity. But you are, you know, so do you feel like you need to feel connected to have sex or do you feel like you? Well, it's funny you're asking me this because I sometimes go, it, I, it wavers for me. Mm-hmm. Like, it shifts. I think the thing is I'm incredibly, I'm incredibly, I'm. incredibly feminine when it comes to connective like if things are going off if things are like not connecting in the relationship
Starting point is 00:13:58 I usually don't feel like I want to have sex with my with the partner that being said I am also the kind of person that's like I'll just make myself have sex and I'll feel better so I'll shut that part off and be like then once I have sex and I get that like that dopamine going and that connective tissue back a little bit, then I can kind of, it actually opens something up for me that I'm like, oh, I actually feel more connected than I did. Even though, like sometimes you actually,
Starting point is 00:14:30 I think, this is my own thing. Sometimes I think you actually just need to have sex with your partner. Even if you're not feeling it, you need to kind of almost like get your head around it differently. Because usually afterwards, you feel a different sense of closeness. Amen. I love that.
Starting point is 00:14:47 And you're absolutely right. I mean, I say that to people all the time. You may be wanting, you know, to watch the latest episode of your favorite show or do something else on your to-do list. But once you get going and women say this to me all the time because women are typically the ones less interested, not always, but the majority of the time is like once I get going and I'm done, I think, oh, I should do this more often. This was really fun. And you've now created deeper connection with your partner and then he is more emotional. tuned in. So like assuming you're not despising each other and like there's like really huge issues going on. I always say, you know, there is a lot of power to just doing it. Yeah, I feel like there's
Starting point is 00:15:32 especially like with like the mismatch libido like I think as it's one thing in your 20s, everybody's like firing on all cylinders. I'm going to get a little weird on this. I'd love to know what you think about this because I have this theory right like women are so fascinating because and we don't talk about this enough that men men's libidos it's like they come out the gate hot and then naturally without things helping them you know they start their libido and their hormones start to change actually younger than women and ours we sort of come into our peak older And it's not necessarily matched. So if you're sort of around the same age as your partner, for women in our mid-30s, we start to kind of peak and get very much into our sexual peak.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Whereas men's libidos are now coming out of their peak. Is this a correct? Well, there is truth to what you're saying, but not for the reason, I think, that you're saying. because hormonally, you know, starting in our mid-30s, things are really getting, you know, so we're not as hormonally supported for wanting sex in our mid-30s and beyond as we were in our 20s. So, for instance, a woman in her 60s has half the testosterone, which is that hormone of desire that a woman in her 20s has, and it's slowly declining throughout our lifespan so that by the mid-to-late 30s, and especially if she's on hormonal contraceptives, which bind up even more
Starting point is 00:17:14 testosterone and keep it from being available for the body to use, she's often physiologically not prone to be horny. However, emotionally and intellectually, she has been through some shit. She knows more who she is. She's more comfortable in her body. She knows what she likes. So she's like, let's go. You know, so emotionally and intellectually, she's more there. Whereas guys, yes, their testosterone slowly declines, but usually they see the biggest drop off in their 50s, will your start to see low testosterone and the effects of that? But at the same time, a guy in their 20s is like a rabbit, right? And once he's getting to 35, he has responsibilities, he has stress.
Starting point is 00:18:00 The one thing that I see time and time again, and this is interesting to look at how stress affects libido, we could go into a whole rabbit hole around that. But for women, any kind of stress can affect her libido. for men, the primary stress that seems to affect their libido is job or money-related stress, because that hits them, you know, right in the Cajonis, so to speak, in their sense of manhood. So often we'll see in the mid-30s men having a lot, I have a family to support, I have the bills to bay, I have a lot of, you know, so a lot of that stress will start kicking in that lower makes them less, like, woo-hoo, let's go.
Starting point is 00:18:39 You know, but in general, I, you know, I always say that, like, the way, we approach sex, you know, men are like a microwave oven. They can get going pretty quickly when the opportunity presents itself, where women, you know, we're like a slow burning stove. We need to be kind of stoked, you know, and connected to and those fires fanned a little bit. I know when you have kids, though, sometimes it's hard to like stoke it. That's why when I say if you're waiting to have, you know, if you're waiting for sex to happen spontaneously, once you have kids, you're going to be waiting a long time. You have to really be intentional about planning it and setting time aside for it or it won't
Starting point is 00:19:19 happen. I wonder like that's fascinating. So it's not, it really is more stress related than it is actually the way the body functions. It makes sense. It makes sense. Stress is the killer of everything, including your libido. It definitely is. It's a big one.
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Starting point is 00:23:20 It's sort of like the game of life. I don't know if you ever played that game. Oh my gosh, yes. You take the car along and you try and get money, and you try and get degrees, and you try and get to the end where either you have a mansion or a ranch or a shack. And once you get to retirement, you're done. What about the whole path along the way? So join me to get unstuck in 2026. Listen to the Happiness Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. Okay, throuples and open relationships are increasingly becoming more and more popular and more like, you know, oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I have a lot of, I have a lot of friends who actually are in very like successful, loving, Thruple relationships, which is wild. Yeah. When I talk to them about it, I'm always fascinated because I'm like, this is so fascinating because I find that there's sort of a lack of possessiveness
Starting point is 00:24:29 that they have to have in order to exist in this relationship. And their whole theory of like, I don't want to get in the way of my, my partner's life, whole life experience. I am like personally like, I would go fucking crazy. There's no way. I would be able, I'd be like, I would find that I would find myself feeling insecure or, or, or, you know, maybe having a, you know, feeling jealous, envious of different kinds of connection. But when I talk to my friends about it,
Starting point is 00:25:14 they're like, it goes through different waves. Like sometimes I feel more connected to my female partner and sometimes I feel moments of more connection with my male partner and vice versa. Sometimes I'm out in the world and I'm being more independent. They're more connected. But like her whole thing is like when we, when I feel that sense of need, I realize that it's not coming from them.
Starting point is 00:25:37 it's actually coming from me. What is it that I need in order to exist in this relationship in a better way? And I'm like, this is so evolved. Yes, exactly. Well, that was going to remind my question is the evolution of sex. Is this where we're heading? Well, yes and no, I think we could talk about the reasons why I think it's happening. But what you're saying, Kate, is really, and what you're describing is so true.
Starting point is 00:26:01 And this is, in my experience, very few throuples of, you know, open relationships survive because they don't have what you're describing. You have to be so emotionally mature and attuned and taking care of your own stuff and not possessive and not jealous and all of us like to think that we're not possessive and jealous, but most of us are. I certainly am. I have that part of me. So you have to be so evolved. psychologically and emotionally and have healed so many wounds and be and be so good at communication and authenticity and honesty. And the truth is, most of us, unless we've been in poop tons of therapy and have tons of work and are committed to really keeping the communication so clean
Starting point is 00:27:00 and pure and taking responsibility for our own stuff, not just us, but everyone else in the open relationship or the thruple has to be doing that, it very rarely works because of that. But when it does, it's because everyone's doing that so effectively. And I think part of the reason that's been evolving, and that's really the reason I wrote sex magic is I didn't think, I mean, this is my 10th book. I didn't think I had another sex book in me. You know, I was like, I said everything about how to give oral sex, how to deal with what that even does that?
Starting point is 00:27:31 Like, I've done it all. But through and after the pandemic, I noticed a huge shift. And part of it, honestly, is because Porn Hub went free. And Ev and everyone was stuck at home just, you know, so all kinds of stuff started evolving out of that. And then coming out of that, people were like, look, I want to live differently. And also, I think this generation of like 35 and under is kind of looking at sex and relationships differently. And that's part of it too. And by the way, we are not designed for monogamy.
Starting point is 00:28:02 for life where actually we evolved to be serially monogamous, you know, like actually the number one, the divorce rate across the world is when the youngest, the highest divorce rate is when the youngest child reaches three years, which is really from an evolutionary perspective, this is how we anthropologists believe, and archaeologists believe we created these sex contracts where the woman would say, okay, I'm only going to have sex with you so you can be sure these genes are yours. And in exchange, you hunt for us, you protect us, because I can't do it, because I'm taking care of this infant. And then when the infant can go on my back or walk alongside me while I'm gathering and doing my usual thing, then we'll part ways. And monogamy was
Starting point is 00:28:48 developed as an economic thing and then became a religious thing. And monogamy for life, I mean, we died at 50 if we were lucky to live that long, right? Now monogamy for life is till were 100. Yes, that's so funny. You said that. I know this isn't my idea, obviously, but I thought that exact same thing, like six months ago because I was having a conversation with someone. And I was like, well, wait a minute. When you fucking think about it, we lived like 35. So you're only married for like five years. I just die. Now it's like you live till 168 and you're like, I love you, baby, like happy 100 year anniversary. I'm like, Jesus Christ, you know. It's a lot. So it's a lot of work. But how do you main?
Starting point is 00:29:30 maintain monogamy then. I mean, how do you just, I mean, I know it's been evolved, not out of us, but to at least 50% statistically. But, you know, you have to work at monogamy. You have to try to be honest. Yeah. That whole myth that it's supposed to be effortless. If it's love is a crock of who. Right. Yeah. No, it requires constant commitment and recommitment, really attending to the nurturing and the feeding of your connection. And real honesty, you know, one of the things that I counsel my pebbles on all the time is is really about how to be honest. Like I, you know, I was on a business trip and I noticed that I was really attracted and I started flirting with the woman sitting next to me. And, you know, I'm tuning and tapping into the fact that I need more of that energy in this relationship. So I'm going to take responsibility on my end for creating more of that. I love you saying this because I think these are the things that people think it would hurt the partner. But I actually think that's how you, it's almost like being in denial.
Starting point is 00:30:39 But also, you know, a big part of successful long-term relationships is each of you taking your 100%. So it's one thing if you go to your partner and say, this isn't working for me. I'm not happy. I'm looking over here versus like, what's my 100%? I want more romance. How am I not showing up welcoming romance or being initiating romance more? I want more play. What am I not?
Starting point is 00:31:03 You know, so I'm here saying this is missing and this is what I'm committed to doing. Yeah. On my end, will you join me? Laura, do you find that women are better at that than men? I find in my experience, that women, like I, it is not hard for me to say this is what I need. Yeah. But I find that it's you like anytime I'm sitting with a group of women, it's always about like I've said it. I've been saying it for years.
Starting point is 00:31:34 Yeah. This is what I need. I couldn't have. I put it out on a platter for him. I gave him every opportunity to know exactly what it was that I needed and he could never show up for it. It's a very, it feels like a very common thing that women, you know, share with each other a lot. I know I've experienced it. And then what happens is then women are just done.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Yeah. Eventually it's like a door closes. A door closes. A light switch goes off. And then the man is like, what the fuck? The labia closes. That too. That usually happens first.
Starting point is 00:32:10 Clenched. Clenched, clothes. Locked. Yeah. But then the men are sitting there going, what happened? Whoppel. What happened? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:21 I mean, part of that is because, Because, you know, like I do see a lot of, like, so many couples come in. And she's like, I've been telling him, I need more romance. And he's like, I am romantic. I bring you flowers once a week. And, you know, and she's so and she's like, no, that's not what I mean. I, you know, but she's, so it's not just saying what you need. Men need an instruction manual.
Starting point is 00:32:46 They need. So I'll sit down and be like, okay, what are the things that you, you know, let's give them a 20 item list of things. that are romantic to you because that's a different definition for everyone else. If he has a direction and specific ideas, most men, if he's motivated and is invested in the relationship, will do that. But what you're saying about the emotional attunement and his ability to kind of be able to talk about and even access his feelings, much less articulate them, that is not something most men were raised to even know how to do. I can't tell you how many men sit in my office. And as we
Starting point is 00:33:24 start to talk, they can't even tell me how they feel in the moment that they're listening to their partners say X, Y, Z to them. And I'm like, okay, so I have to go to like, where are you, what are you feeling in your body right now? Scan your, okay, I'm feeling tightness in my back. Okay, that's anger. I'm feeling tightness in my chest. Okay, that's fear. So I sometimes have to like start with the body to get them to start having an emotional vocabulary that they've never even been able to access before. And it's our, it's been our fault. I love that. I love that because we do a hold in our body energetically so much. I feel like, and maybe, I know that people sometimes think it's like, oh, it's all like hoity doighty kind of out up in the stars and in that,
Starting point is 00:34:09 you know, you know, fairy dust realm. But I really feel like a huge part of sex. is being connected to your spiritual center and, like, how you're able to let go. Like how you're able to open up, where you hold, like, all those things you're talking about. Amen. And so much, when you talk about fear, I think so much of that happens in, there's like, there's like two extremes. I mean, there's a lot of extremes. It's such a huge spectrum, but you find that, like, some people find, sex to be the outlet.
Starting point is 00:34:48 It's where they can be everything that they can't be on the outside. It's why it ends up becoming a secret world for them. Yeah. And then there's the other side which is then the other thing which is like then when you have an intimate partner,
Starting point is 00:35:04 then sex to be able to really open up and to be vulnerable and intimate with someone become something so you feel very exposed. Yes. Because the stakes are much higher. Right, right. And I guess the question is, it's like, how does one work with their body in order to actually be able to open up more connection to their partner versus like keeping it held in? Do you know? Yeah. Well, so part of what you're talking about are inhibitions, right? And part of it are all the messages that we've internalized, not just that we got growing up about what's okay and not okay sexually, what a nice girl does and doesn't do, even if intellectually at this point, we don't subscribe to it that there's a part of us inside us that still does and any kind of trauma or betrayal or humiliation or any of those things that have happened to us along the way, the
Starting point is 00:35:55 body keeps the score a la, you know, best lavender cult. So, um, so that's a huge part of the work that I do. That's a huge part of what I wrote about in the book is, um, attuning. It's all about your body is your transceiver. It's not only how you put energy out. It's how you receive energy. And from a sexual standpoint, one of the most beautiful things you can do is start to, there's practices to open up and first attune to where you're holding tension in the body, where you're shutting down. Yes, you know, Oliver, it may be your labia clenching. But sometimes there are other parts of yourself. And when you can start to attune to that, like there's a practice, a somatic practice I do with people. I was going to say somatic work. I love it. Yes.
Starting point is 00:36:40 I'm all about the somatic work. And one of my favorite things to do with people is like, say it's a sexual thing or they're noticing that this is happening, we'll say, okay, go back to that last sexual scenario in your mind, scan your body, where are you holding, you know, where are you noticing tightness, clenching, whatever, pain? And they'll be like, okay, in my belly. And then we'll go all the way into that. We'll make it bigger. And it's so beautiful and fascinating.
Starting point is 00:37:04 We'll make it bigger. It'll take on a color and a shape. And then I'll say, okay, first thing that occurs to you, what is the earliest memory you have of feeling this feeling? And they'll go immediately without thought to like when I was seven years old and I, you know, my uncle Bill said X, Y, Z to me when I was dancing around the kitchen and, you know, I felt tremendous shame and whatever. Like it's fascinating because as soon as you go into the body, the body will inform you on these places.
Starting point is 00:37:35 And then once shame is brought to the light so often, especially these little shames that we don't even know we're carrying, they evaporate. You know, once they're brought to light and you look at them with adult human eyes, you're like, no, that's ridiculous, you know? Sometimes it's something big that needs to be worked through. But more often than not, it's something that we didn't even know we were carrying. And as you clean that up, you open the channels and sex at its finest. And you don't need open relationships in porn and the next thing to get your dopamine hit. And it's most profound that feeling of intense excitement is so much more available to you when you can open the channels and start moving that sexually sexual energy through you and between you and that's like the that's
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Starting point is 00:40:06 And I'm Hurricane de Bolu. It's a new year, and on the podcast's Health Stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health. Which means being honest about what we know. know, what we don't know, and how messy it can all be. I like to sleep in late and sleep early. Is there a chronotype for that or am I just depressed? We talk to experts who share real experiences and insight. You just really need to find where it is that you can have an impact in your own life and to start doing that. We break down the topics you want to know more about.
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Starting point is 00:41:38 Just spinning your wheels and old routines and bad habits. I'm Dr. Laurie Santos, and in a new year series of my show, The Happiness Lab, I'm going to look at the science of getting, well, unstuck at work, unstuck in your relationships, and even unstuck inside your mind. I am the absolute worst culprit when it comes to getting into these ruminative loops and just driving myself crazy. We'll look at ways to reignite your sense of purpose, rediscover your values, and get more creative. We'll also explore how to design a life that feels more fulfilling.
Starting point is 00:42:09 It's sort of like the game of life. I don't know if you ever played that game. Oh, my gosh, yes. You take the car along and you try and get money, and you try and get degrees, and you try and get to the end where either you have a mansion or a ranch or a shack. And once you get to retirement, you're done.
Starting point is 00:42:22 What about the whole path along the way? So join me to get unstuck in 2026. Listen to the Happiness Lab on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. Let's talk about porn, because I feel like this is like a big topic of conversation, like, also with. girls, you know? How much porn do you watch together? How do you watch porn together? Do you not
Starting point is 00:42:51 watch porn together? Do you find that if your partner's watching porn without you, that's a version of cheating, do they hide the fact that they, you know, I feel like it's such a, it's such a thing? And also, also have a quick, along those lines, I know porn is sort of seen as negative, which, of course, it is, it's infiltrating sort of the young minds and giving them a different idea of sex and and what pleasure is and what sexual experience is like. It is part of a natural evolution. I say natural because everything is evolving naturally, even though through tech.
Starting point is 00:43:23 But is there any positivity to porn, you know? Yeah. Well, so this is interesting, even for me, because I've been doing this for 30 years. And until Pornhub went free, if you asked me this question unequivocally, I would say, you know what? is definitely a place for porn in a healthy relationship. I am not anti-porn. I think it can be used as long as it's not replacing sex or getting in the way of sex. You know, keeping in mind that it's
Starting point is 00:43:57 not really a reasonable, you know, expression of what pleases a woman and what bodies look like and all of those. It's not a good sex education. Let's just put it that way. Now I actually feel differently about it because it has become so accessible and insidious. And what happens, and they've now started to look at people's brains, and this is really fascinating and also scary, what they found is when you are looking at porn, so let's just take a guy who's looking at porn, or a young boy who's looking at porn, the brain is perceiving what you're seeing on the screen as 2D, not 3D. So you're creating a neuropower. pathway and a brain penis or brain body reaction to a two-dimensional object, not a three-dimensional
Starting point is 00:44:50 person. And what they're finding is, so two things. One, porn stimulates the dopamine centers. And that's the same part of the brain that lights up when you do coke. It's the addiction part of the brain. And just like with Coke, you need more and more and more. Well, with porn, it's not just more and more and more. You need heightened.
Starting point is 00:45:09 okay, I've seen enough of the post, you know, the teacher and the student, now that doesn't do it for me anymore. It doesn't stimulate my... Now I need S&M. Now I need choking. Now I need violence. Now, you know, you have to keep upping the ante to get the same effect. So that's kind of dangerous. Right. The second thing is that you are training the body to respond to 2D versus 3D. So what they're seeing is that men who are watching a lot of porn, especially when they start young, but even for older men, are having a harder time getting aroused by a three-dimensional woman or man or whoever they're with. So they have to watch porn in order to get aroused while they're having sex. Also, I wonder how it like leads. There's all this, you know, like how it leads into sort of live, like the video, you know, all the video stuff. It's a slippery.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Oh, my God. I had a friend who found out that their partner was like completely addicted to, um, It's really addictive. And I was just like, but I think that goes to the thing, like, is that, I mean, I guess it's how you define cheating, but I would feel so, it would feel awful for me if I was in that, you know. Well, historically, like before I would have said, okay, I get it, that it makes you feel insecure, but you have to understand that this is fantasy, right? And he doesn't want to be with that porn star. he wants to be with you and all men self-stimulate and this is just what he's doing. Now I feel differently because of what's been happening.
Starting point is 00:46:45 And I do think that so many men and women, but it's mostly men and young boys are getting into this cycle where they're addicted and they would rather go and, you know, take care of themselves quickly watching some porn than engaging sex. It's starting to replace sex with their partners. And that does feel like a betrayal. Well, you know, I have a friend who's, he got divorced. He's a long-term girlfriend now, but he had about, you know, three years or so being single. And he's my age, 49 years old.
Starting point is 00:47:22 And it was all of these 25 to 27-year-old girls who wanted this older, older men. And there's like this movement for it, apparently. And sex was porn sex, meaning like everything. was based off of what these girls, women were watching. Yes. So is this how they feel like they need to please? Or is this just it is? But so are they, or is this just the new norm of how sex?
Starting point is 00:47:53 This is what they are being taught men want. So historically, boys were being poorly sex educated via porn. Now girls and boys are. And so they are thinking, oh, this is what. men want oh if i really want to turn him on i'm going to be like a porn star so choke me baby you know hang me from the rafters whatever and look if you're into that go ahead but these girls are not really into it you know and and they've lost the art of fantasy and i'm a very i was a very my kid my youngest is 20 now but when they were coming you know i was very open about sex i was that
Starting point is 00:48:28 mother that educated them i had three boys they all knew where the clitoris was as soon you know especially as i think realized that they were heterosexual you know i i i i I was, we talked about everything. And I remember we had a conversation once because I have a line of sex toys. And one of my boys, they were like 14, they had some friends over. And he said, hey, mom, will you give me one of your sex toys? And I said, and at this point, I'm starting to realize the effects of porn. And I said, yes, as long as you promise that when you use it, you won't always use it to porn,
Starting point is 00:48:58 that sometimes you'll use fantasy. And he looked at me like I had six heads and says, what is fantasy? And I was like, oh my God, I can't believe like this is the world we're living in. So I sat all these boys down and I explained to them how to fantasize because they don't even know anymore because it's being fed to them through porn. Yeah. Oh, God. Especially with attention spans and your fantasies can last 30 seconds.
Starting point is 00:49:25 Be like, wait a minute, forget this. It's so interesting that we've lived in a world where like we sort of keep all these things very quiet as if like that's going to be the right thing to do versus demystifying. it, which actually makes it much healthier. So much healthy. That's why I'm so glad you guys are having this conversation. It's so fascinating that, like, yeah, I wonder, I wonder where that, I mean, I'm sure it's just a construct that's from, you know, ages ago, but just like, there's just certain
Starting point is 00:49:52 things you don't discuss. Yeah, that's our, I mean, even on television, on the shows, I mean, you know this, Kate, there's so much sex. But nobody talks about it except behind closed doors. We're watching it. We're watching porn. We're watching it on network television even. Even on soap operas they're showing tons of sex.
Starting point is 00:50:13 But we don't talk about it in our own lives. And even like as I've been doing all the press on sex magic, all of a sudden, all of these television shows, morning shows that I would have gone on a hundred times. You're like, oh, we don't talk about sex. I'm like, what do you mean you don't talk about sex? The show that's on two hours after you, people are having sex, you know. But it's so interesting. It is interesting.
Starting point is 00:50:36 I wonder, too, like, when you, when you, I have, now that I have a girl, I noticed that, like, girls, there's so much projection on young girls when they feel in their power. Women, I look at my little girl, and, like, if she's feeling good or she's dancing a certain way or she's, her older brothers or, you know, like, like, no. Like you can't do that. You can't move like that. You can't wear that. Why is she wearing a, you know, a crop top? And I'm like, because she likes it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:14 Yeah. And in her mind, it's not even about anything that she's, she just feels good. Yeah. She's not trying to get anyone's attention. No. And it's so, I find it fascinating how we, especially women, not men, how we, that a woman's true nature like her divine feminine yes is very early on like squelched squelched and told no you cannot behave this way you cannot be in that power you cannot be that feminine or that expressive with it um you cannot
Starting point is 00:51:53 show sensuality you know and then you become and then you become you know you get shamed for it yes And you see it on, you see it on digital media, you see it all over the place. Yeah. And we're still doing it. It's like, it's like, I find it's like a programming. It is absolutely a programming and it's so misogynistic. And it's also basically victim blaming. It's saying to women, to little girls all the way through in this really insidious way,
Starting point is 00:52:22 you have to shut this down because men can't control themselves. Right. And so in order to be. safe and to be respected, you can't be a sensual being, you know. And there's this insidious shutdown of it that, and what you're watching, and they're doing it innocently and her brothers are being protective and they know what, you know, I get all of that. But what's happening insidiously, you're watching in real time these little stickers that go over, you know, the beams of light, right? Like, that just start tamping down her aliveness, her sensuality.
Starting point is 00:53:00 her ability to feel comfortable in her body. Her true nature. Her true nature. But is there a line of what's appropriate? Well, what I was about to say to your question, Oliver, is that on the flip side, what I'm also seeing, especially among tween and teen girls, is that, and just like you were talking about the guy with the young women, you know, asking him, you know, it's like they are being taught.
Starting point is 00:53:28 It's this conflicted message. don't be in your sensuality but if you want attention if you want likes then you've got to sexualize yourself you got to show the butt shot with you looking over your shoulder
Starting point is 00:53:44 in the bikini which you see so much of I love that shot but yeah but you're also dealing with what you're saying Laura is authentic it's authenticity authentic sensuality versus sort of I need clicks and likes
Starting point is 00:53:58 sexuality And what's the motivation? And what I see is that girls are doing this en masse, not because, you know, I love the way my butt looks and I'm just feeling it in the moment, but that this is how I know I will get likes. And this is the interesting thing. I'll never forget. This was one episode I did with on the Oprah show years ago, years ago. I met with a bunch of middle school girls and we started talking about sex. And they taught me something really powerful that I've continued to confirm.
Starting point is 00:54:29 firm through the years, that girls will sexualize themselves. They'll send naked pictures. They'll do whatever to the boy that asks, especially if he's a popular boy or a desirable boy. So she will objectify herself. She will move beyond her boundaries of comfort to keep his attention. Not for him. What she's wanting is for him to be interested in her because that makes her more popular with the other girls. If she has access to the popular boys or the desirable boys, the other girls, so it's social collateral. But at the same time, then she's being slut shamed by the girls. So it's like this whole messed up bullying toxicity. Yeah. I just worry about girls and this next generation. Because, you know, but then again, it's like I worry about girls and then I and then I'm not because we're so
Starting point is 00:55:26 tough because we've been dealing with some sort of version of this for forever. So, you know, it's just the changing, but I just, it's the changing of the, you know, kind of like how we're, you know, again, like how we're dealing with this sort of social aspect of. Oh, it's so crazy to watch the kids growing up and I have 18, 15, and 12, two boys and a little girl and watching how it's all sort of evolving and what there's, how, how, they perceive sexuality and perceive girls. And, you know, I walk around, you know, you drop them off at school and you look at what,
Starting point is 00:56:04 how people generally girls are dressing now versus when I was in middle school and high school. And I'm like, holy shit. I'm like, you got what? And the boys are just, they're like, dad, you're nuts. Like, this is just what it is. Yeah, they don't even know. They're kind of immune to it. They're immune to it, 100%.
Starting point is 00:56:24 When you're dealing with boys growing up now, going through puberty and sort of this primal nature, going back to the primal side of things, and watching sort of how the landscape and society is shifting, you know, and then sort of wrestling with this idea of I feel these, not aggressive, but I feel these sexual feelings towards these girls, but now I sort of have to be careful with it and hold it in. Do you see anything sort of that has shifted in a way with sort of this, you know, after the Me Too movements and all of that stuff.
Starting point is 00:56:59 Well, I think it's really important from the time they're early, early, early, teaching them about consent, like when they're hugging each other as little kids. You know, oh, John, you know, Susie says she doesn't want to be hugged, right? You know, so teaching them on and on and on about consent. And when I was doing, you know, sex education of your kids should be an ongoing conversation, right? Not just one talk. So in those conversations, you're always talking about, like I've talked to my boys, not only about getting consent every step of the way and that their partner, even if you've
Starting point is 00:57:29 gotten, you know, bird base or whatever, you know, if she's ready to stop, you got to stop, but also that if she's been under, if she's taken anything or is the slightest been drunk, which frankly for us was not the case, right? You know, you cannot assume she can give consent. Like that from a Me Too perspective is a really big deal. And I've seen so many boys, especially college age boys, taken down, kicked out of school, like, hardcore because they were at, you know, some frat party. The girl was drunk, but, like, was into it. And then not, I don't mean to blame her. And I'm not saying she meant to give consent.
Starting point is 00:58:11 But, like, that's why we have to educate boys about that piece and about, you know, really. And the porn thing I'm telling you is huge. Like, once you tell a boy, listen, if you want, and it's the truth, if you, if you, watch too much porn, you're going to have a hard time getting it up with a real woman, they will not watch as much porn. That's the truth. And I think boys need to be educated about that because we're seeing a huge increase in young men and boys addicted to porn and unable to function sexually in the real world.
Starting point is 00:58:45 Not to mention how their palms will get hair. Yeah, that too. Masturbate too much. Right, too. And they have to really, you know, that's a myth. That's a myth they used to tell us to shame us. That was a myth for a... I've never heard that.
Starting point is 00:58:59 Oh, that's a big one. If you masturbate, your palms will get hairy. Yeah, that was a good one. That's so funny. Okay, new year, fresh start. And honestly, I'm starting with dinner. This year, I'm being smarter about where my energy goes. And dinner was taking way too much of it.
Starting point is 00:59:21 I just signed up for Hello Fresh, and they take Fresh start to a whole new level. Fresh high quality ingredients delivered. right to my door, locally sourced whenever possible. Everything pre-portioned, nothing wasted. Now, I'm not dragging myself through weekend grocery runs or panic staring at the fridge at 530 trying to make something out of random leftovers. And I'm definitely not tossing out food I never used or falling back on expensive takeout apps because I ran out of ideas. Yeah, that happened a lot. Just simple, stress-free recipes and meals that help me save more, waste less, and for the first time in a long time, I actually look forward to dinner.
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Starting point is 01:00:35 Listen for free on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Dr. Priyanko Wally. And I'm Hurricane de Bolo. It's a new year, and on the podcast's health stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health. Which means being honest about what we know, what we don't know, and how messy it can all be. I like to sleep in late and sleep early. Is there a chronotype for that or am I just depressed? We talk to experts who share real experiences and insight.
Starting point is 01:01:07 You just really need to find where it is that you can have an impact in your own life and to start doing that. We break down the topics you want to know more about. Sleep, stress, mental health, and how the world around us affects our overall health. We talk about all the ways to keep your body in mind, inside and out, healthy. We human beings, all we want is connection. We just want to connect with each other.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Health stuff is about learning, laughing, and feeling a little less alone. Listen on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, I'm Jorge Ramos. This week, on the moment, we take a look at Venezuela's uncertain future in a conversation with two people who have directly advised U.S. presidents. Juan Gonzalez, during the Obama and Biden administrations. We're really good at invading countries. We're very bad at nation building.
Starting point is 01:01:57 In Carlos Dier-Rosillo, we're in Trump's two terms. I can guarantee you that nobody in the Trump administration likes Delsi-Rodriguez. Listen to the moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Are you desperately hoping for change in 2026, but feeling stuck? Just spinning your wheels in old routines and bad habits. I'm Dr. Lari Santos, and in a new year series of my show, The Happiness Lab. I'm going to look at the science of getting, well, unstuck,
Starting point is 01:02:26 unstuck at work, unstuck in your relationships, and even unstuck inside your mind. I am the absolute worst culprit when it comes to getting into these ruminative loops and just driving myself crazy. We'll look at ways to reignite your sense of purpose, rediscover your values, and get more creative. We'll also explore how to design a life that feels more fulfilling. It's sort of like the game of life.
Starting point is 01:02:47 I don't know if you ever played that game. Oh, gosh, yes. You take the car along and you try and get money, you try and get degrees and you try and get to the end where either you have a mansion or a ranch or a shack. And once you get to retirement, you're done. What about the whole path along the way? So join me to get unstuck in 2026. Listen to the Happiness Lab on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Real quickly, just getting back to the couples, like, what is the most common thing that you see in your practice from a sexual standpoint with couples? and sort of how they can disconnect or how they can get back to each month's right. It's really uneven desire. And there's several things that I'll just tell you a real quick litany. You want to really invest, like I was saying before, even if you need to schedule sex, embrace it. Don't scoff at it. You will start to look forward to it.
Starting point is 01:03:47 You'll start to anticipate it. But it's also about building that romantic and emotional connection. So there's simple things you can do. Most couples don't talk more than 15 minutes a week about things other than the logistics of their lives. So even if you spend an extra 15 minutes with all technology off, in fact, try to give yourself an hour a day hanging out at least without your technology near you. But if you have 15 minutes a week where you're just listening to music, talking about things other than logistics, kissing and cuddling without it leading anywhere, that's a huge help. If you go, it turns out if you go on a vacation alone, and I don't mean a family trip because that's not a vacation.
Starting point is 01:04:28 But if you go on a vacation alone once a year for like five to seven days, that will do more for your relationship than a weekly date night. Five genuine expressions of appreciation a day, even for things they're supposed to be doing or is there a role in the relationship, trains the lens that you're looking at them through away from, because you're going to find evidence for whatever you're thinking. If you think he's selfish, you will find evidence, right? So when you start to look for things to appreciate, that trains your lens toward appreciation and you're expressing that to them. And then that models for them to express it back to you. If you give each other a 30 second hug, I do this
Starting point is 01:05:12 my husband every morning. We've been together 25 years. Hug, heart to heart, and just send love from your heart into theirs for 30 seconds. It's a long time. And say in your mind, I choose you, or out loud, I choose you today. Because when you're in choice and the relationship, you're out of that codependence, right? You can get your needs met. And a 10 second kiss several times a day. These are just like what I was saying about the care and feeding of your connection. Yeah. Dr. Gottman was my therapist. Ah, so you're your goal then. He had the, the six second kiss, you know, and all of his cards and the things that he does. He was, he was such a wonderful person to learn from.
Starting point is 01:05:56 Yeah, he's amazing. Well, I've got one more to add to your list. Okay. It's called sexual janga. Okay. Let's see. Because what I did with my wife years and years and years ago, it actually started on a honeymoon. We turned board games.
Starting point is 01:06:11 We did YATI, but Jenga is a good one. We did YATI. You turn it into a sexual foreplay game. And so sexual jank. you write on the blocks what you want done to you or what you want to do to your partner. And you be very specific about it, like one second or like 30 second like hand job or whatever it is. And then you pull it out, but then you have to stop. So it builds up this intensity to where then eventually you just can't take it.
Starting point is 01:06:37 But what happens if the Djanga falls? Then you divorce. It's over? You're like, okay. Or Yotsie instead of doing the, you know, full house or the three years. of kind you write in what you want have done to yourself or you can do twister or twister yeah it's fun board games like i would love to and you come back and talk to us again i would love to and then will you just give us before we leave you know why did you write sex magic where did this come from why another book
Starting point is 01:07:06 you know what like what moved you to do it and and what do you want what what person like what are they going to get from this book that you hope that they get from it's really about how to create that intense excitement and long-term or any relationship. It's for singles and people in relationship, but I wrote it because people are looking for that dopamine hit. They're looking in all the wrong places for excited intensity, which is that erotic excitement and feeling. And I could give, you know, I don't, I've done all the books giving you all the tips, tools, role plays and everything. And that's fine. And I love that. This is making sex into a sacred energy exchange. It's teaching you how to access the energy of your sexuality so it's not just located in your genitals,
Starting point is 01:07:53 but you can run it through your body. You can circle it between you. It teaches you to release the inhibitions that are in the way and really connect on a deeper, profound level emotionally, but especially sensually and sexually and that's really what I've been teaching my couples for years, but it finally dawned on me like, oh, this is what people are looking for when they keep asking me, how do you spice it up? How do you spice it up? They're looking for intense excitement, they're looking for that feeling. So that's what I'm teaching you to do in sex magic. And it uses all those ancient techniques. It's basically making modern and accessible tantra, kundalini, Kama Sutra, Taoism. They knew how to get down. They knew how to create these
Starting point is 01:08:35 feelings. And it even teaches you how to use sexual energy to manifest. And I do that a lot. Just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're a sex magician, Kate. I think, I think, I think. Jesus. You heard it here, everybody. I know. One more, I got just one more thing. I think you should do a pamphlet next, just called the Quickey. And it's just like a three-page pamphlet. Oh, I love a quickie. Yeah. A pamphlet. Oh, thank you so much. This was so fun. Seriously, we could talk about this forever. I know. It was great being with you guys. All right. Well, we'll see you again. See you soon.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Okay. I love that. Ollie, I'm a sex magician. No, you're not. I am. I am.
Starting point is 01:09:24 Actually, and you know, even if I wasn't, I am now. Even if I wasn't, it is now how I'm going to define a huge part of it. Fine.
Starting point is 01:09:37 I'll give you that. I'm self-proclaimed a sexual guru. That's not you. Oh, God. That was so fun. Isn't it amazing? I really do find it interesting how people don't talk about sex enough, you know? And I love talking about it. No, everybody does.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Well, it's fascinating. Not just talking about like the in and the out of it all. There's just the deeper aspects of sex and sexuality. It's just so important. It drives us essentially. Yeah, it's a huge energy force. Yeah, huge energy for it. Yeah, I mean, it's so much of it. When she talks about manifest, manifest, like, it's actually like, a real thing where it's like at the height of orgasm, what you're putting out is actually one of the great manifesting tools. I'm sure she talks about it in, I guess.
Starting point is 01:10:24 Maybe for a woman, for a man, all that he puts out is like a couple millimeters of goo. Oh, now I don't want to talk to you about this anymore. All right, well, I love you. I'll see you on the other side.
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