Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Shaun and Jesse White

Episode Date: September 17, 2020

Olympic gold medalist Shaun White joins this week's episode of "Sibling Revelry" with his brother Jesse White, who is also a snowboarder and works as a creative brand director. They talk about the trampoline that started it all, growing up in Southern California and driving up to the mountains every weekend, the judgement their family faced for making snowboarding a priority, what it was like to win the first gold medal, and much more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Helix and Sakara.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Revelling

Reveory That's good Olly Ollie We're in Aspen right now Yeah Wilder just came in Wilder You know

I think Wilder My oldest Has this For those of you who don't know Has his first math test You know It's like this You know

Remote learning math test it's his first one and I mean let's face it he doesn't he's not fucking good at math and neither am I and he's supposed to meet with his teacher and he comes in right now and he's like dad like I think I know it all like I don't want to meet with her and I'm like dude yeah no you have to have no choice you've got no choice you got to meet with your teacher you got to call or you got to do this you got to do that but I know what I'm doing And I just don't want to deal with it anymore. What do you mean?

I just don't want to, I don't know, I don't want to do school. I did school. I feel like I'm back in fucking school. Oh, you're talking about yourself, not your kids. Yeah, no, I'm saying, I just want to say, you know what, go. You go, you do it. You get whatever grade you get. I don't, what am I doing?

Like last night, I wanted to watch the football game. And now I've got to Google how to multiply mixed fractions. Because I don't know how to do it. Well, that's not that hard, first of all. Multiplying mixed fractions is not that difficult. You don't know how to do it. You could, okay, so here's a great idea. You could call Ryder and ask Ryder to be his tutor for like 15 bucks.

Like the blind leading the blind. Actually, Ryder's doing much better in math these days. What you're saying, Oliver, what I'm hearing you say is that you don't want to be accountable to your children's schooling, which is a little lazy, but I get it. And I feel like

maybe what you could do is incentivize them and it might take a little bit of that pressure off. So, like, what I just... I've incentivized the shit out of him. Well, maybe you need to incentivize him differently. With what?

I've got, I've got, I've got a new room, you know. I mean, there's so much stuff. A new car. Well, it's my thing. Fear and bribery. It's the parenting book. I mean, we all think that there's a way to do it

and everyone reads these books on how to be a parent. But at the end of the day, it's fear and bribery. You know, if you do this, then I'll give you this. If you don't do this, you're not getting this. That's pretty much what it boils down to. So I find that that didn't work for me with Ryder and what did work with Ryder was actually engaging

in what you're saying is really annoying which is having to constantly sit down and talk about you know I think one of the things that kids do all the time

when it comes to school is they just tell the craziest little white lies I know I did it I know you did it like they weren't even white like they weren't even like little they weren't even like little lies

they were like you're just a pathological liar You were just like a sociopath, but that's a whole other, that's a whole other podcast. No, but, you know, when we were kids, like, we all lied about, you know, telling our parents that we did something and we didn't. And one of the things that I've realized that works really well is when that happens, I think sometimes they don't even think that they're, it's like they don't even think about it.

And I'm, you know, sitting right or down and just saying, you know, look, like, I'm not, I'm not interested in in trying to make a creative brain some sort of linear logical math brain that it might not might not be kind of you know wired to achieve at I'm more interested in knowing that any child who has challenges in any kind of like subject I'm more interested in them knowing that like why it's important for them to make the effort.

You know what I mean? So like that's where... Well, that's what I do. I mean, all kidding aside, that's... It's less about the mixed fractions and more about just the effort that you put into it.

It's about trying. It's about not just screwing off and saying, oh, fuck it. You know, that part drives me crazy. Right. You know. Right. But the math itself,

that's just a product. I, you know, I care about... I guess the thing is is the question becomes like this episode coming up, which let's just say it's with Sean White and his brother Jesse. Bribes won him a gold medal. That's right. That's right.

You're going to hear about that. That's so true. I mean, so you do sometimes wonder like maybe there is something with the bribe. I always thought to myself, like, when I left high school, the very things that I wanted to learn about, or that I'm sorry, that I should have learned about was like mortgages and tax, you know, filing for your taxes and shit. Like, I'm like, I had no idea what any of that stuff was.

I have a feeling you still don't know what it is. I don't know what are taxes. I have no idea. But, you know, like the things that you end up doing that you have to do all the time that are really basic, like even just jury duty like having to figure out what you're supposed to do with jury duty and where you're supposed to check in and if you're when you're all these little things that are a part of being you know a part of our our daily life as we you know the second we turn 18 so can

can i can i say something about jury duty i don't think you're going to go to jail or they're going to find you or even find you if you don't do jury duty because of course now i'm running the risk of some sort of law enforcement listening to this. But you're like, you know, I've been to jury duty one time in my whole life, one time. And it was on Christmas Eve day. You're going to be so targeted. This is crazy. You just ruined your chain.

No, it was on Christmas Eve day. And I go there and they're like, get out of here. It's Christmas Eve day. I'm 44 years old. And I've been one time. And I just, no one, I've been pulled. I've had, you know, my record sort of pulled up on computers and stuff. I'm free and clear.

First of all, this is totally illegal. You're supposed to go do jury duty. That is like, and you're supposed to check in, and you have to check in and do your civil duty and, and check in and say, hello, I am a good citizen of this country, and I am checking in for jury duty. Yeah. There's so many better things that I could do for this country than go to jury duty. By the way, all of which you're doing none of. What do you mean? What are you doing for your country all of here?

What patriotic duty are you involved in right now? Well, I went to jury duty once. Anyway, I actually enjoy jury duty. I mean, have our parents been to jury duty? Does Gwyneth Paltrow go to jury duty? Of course. I love that Gwyneth is the person that comes up in your mind. Of course Gwyneth goes to jury duty.

Yes. Ollie, this is great. Who, what celebrity do you think has skipped the most jury duties? Ooh. Like what celebrity do you think has never? ever been jury duty ever Tom Cruise he's too big time

like he's got to get out of it somehow like hung from a chopper and like did some sort of you know triple triple twist dive into the Santa Monica Civic courthouse that's a good question though yeah I like that one oh well

so I've been taking Pilates that's good Is that why you're in this weird position? The last three weeks. Look, and I can... It's kind of weird. I don't really like looking at it. It makes me uncomfortable.

Can you take a picture of Oliver, please, and what he's doing right now so that we can post this, this move that I am really, really not into? Okay, so... Palate. Now everyone will... It's great.

Your groin seems to have some nice flexibility, Thank you. You know, you're so as. Yeah, no, I'm flexible. I'm, you know. But my stomach's getting stronger, like I'm feeling good. Good. I'm going to be so shredded soon.

Good. We are doing a shoot. Are you getting prepared for this big shoot that we're doing? I don't think I've ever looked better, to be honest. So. You're going to be listening to Sean and Jesse very shortly here. Well, this was fun. I mean, we're in Colorado and do you remember when the, that, when someone,

snowboarding started to become really cool. Oh, yeah. I remember when Sean White came up and, you know, started to make a name for himself and just how insanely amazing he was. Do you remember when he came on, it was just like, yeah. I remember when he came to Aspen or he was like, Sean White's coming to Aspen. Well, Buttermilk host is hosted the X games for some time now.

So he's been here, you know, for a long time. But it was great to talk to the boys about just growing up, you know, down south, Southern Cal and what their sort of childhood was like. Their trampoline, their trusty trampoline that started it all. I know. Seems to have started it all, you know. Also, just how they were they were outsiders, you know. And growing up like in California, I'm being a snowboarder during that, you know, I mean, he was, there was really nobody around that was kind of doing. what he was doing so he was sort of on the outside you know it wasn't considered you know where we

look at like oh wow that's so cool and you grew up in the mountains and you board or ski and you're like oh that's awesome and that's something that is normal like you've ski days and um snow ins and all that kind of stuff like he grew up in southern california with surfers yeah so it's totally different people didn't really traveling around in a van you know but parking in the parking lot of these ski resorts and cool off-the-grid life style. I love talking to athletes because athletes are so dedicated to their sport for so long. And, you know, the whole family is invested. You have to be if you have someone who excels at a sport because there's so much that goes into it.

And it's so fun to hear the stories about how people grew up and, you know, especially coming from the sibling perspective because they're so a part of it. I don't know. I love it. This is a great episode. Yeah, those boys are great. You guys are going to like this episode. We had so much fun.

We talked for hours. We did. I'm surprised we even got it cut down. We were talking for hours and hours. Anyway, I can't wait to see the guys again. I hope we see him in Colorado this winter and hopefully, you know, in person so we can, you know, I look forward to doing these podcasts in person again. I know. Me too.

I can't wait. But yeah, everybody enjoy this episode with Sean and Jesse White. Well, Sean, Jesse, who's the older brother? I am. So, what, Sean, we're like six years apart? Six. I'm 33. You just turned 40.

Math is great. So we're good at sports. Is it only you two, or is there more? Two more. Full sister, my sister, Carrie, and then Jesse's actually my half-brother. And then I have a half-sister, Jessica, who's the oldest, and I'm the youngest. And did you all grow up together, or did you grow up separate? The three of us, myself, Carrie, and then Jesse and I were all in a house together,

and then our half-sister lived with her mother. Cool. And then they, they, but you guys were in each other's lives as halves? for Sean Kerry and myself since we all have the same we all have the same mom so it was pretty much my mom got remarried

when I believe I was like four or five while my mom was living in Hawaii. Jesse's born in Hawaii Island baby and she came back to California and my dad had just recently separated from his marriage and had his daughter Jessica

then my mom Kathy and my dad got together and had my sister Kerry and I, oh my God, why is it so hard? We never explain this to anyone. Like, this is never. It's always. You're like, your brother looks a little different than you. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, well, you know. Okay, so why don't you guys start with explaining Sean, you or Jesse, where you guys grew up?

Jesse, take the lead. Right. So here we were. We grew up in San Diego, which was. this community called Del Mar and Del Mar is this beautiful quaint like Beach Town and then across the freeway is like where we grew up in these

these track homes and it was cool it was like easy enough we had this whole neighborhood where a bunch of young parents moved in together so our street was like this banshee street of I don't know to Trump like like 18, 20 kids. Yeah, there's a bunch. It was awesome. It was a Colossack and we live with like all these kids. And then the Colossack basically like they developed the, you know, surrounding neighborhood to circle the school that was in the middle, the Carmel Valley Elementary School. And all the neighborhoods would then walk down this thing called the Green Belt, which was like the pathway that connected all of the Colossacks that led to the school. So it's pretty awesome. Like we all lived in this really wonderful community and knew everybody.

and, you know, the parents would just kind of go sit outside and watch the kids play and, you know, safe and great. It's like my neighborhood a little bit. It's got kind of like a 50s vibe in a sense, meaning like everyone can just sort of cruise and there's cul-de-sacs and everyone's on their bikes and you probably rode to school or walk to school. Oh, every day, yeah.

And like our house was awesome. We had this big home, big backyard. And like my mom was still like living her glory days from Hawaii. So the house had like, like various like the carpet was green and then like the walls were what was that color muddy river

it was like it was incredible like frogs holding lots of frogs I remember lots of frogs and turtles I remember lots of bamboo lots of bamboo bamboo furniture

bamboo tables sounds like what's in right now the like bamboo wickerbub which is kind of what's up right now yeah I'm sure you literally texted me a table and I was like that's our table we grew up with that

and it was like yeah two thousand dollars i was like no mom yeah but so you know and and and she collects these like hawaiian menus that they used to serve people on the cruise ships that would come in and so they have like these big like hawaiian um luau scenes various scenes and like those were all over the walls and and whatnot and um and so my mom uh she was a waitress she worked banquets at the um torrey pines The golf course. The Sheraton at the time. The Sheraton, that's right.

But now it's a Hilton, but up at the Torrey Pines golf course, a really nice zone there. And then my dad worked in the city of San Clemente and the water department. San Clemente? San Clemente. I think San Clemente. Or is it?

Or is it Clemente? St. Clemente. But it was great, you know. And, yeah, we'd walk to school. And, Jesse, did you go to, I'm trying to remember, like, All the schools were pretty close to one another. So even though, like, my brother may have been in, like, middle school or high school before us, like, everything was in the same area.

So we were all, like, really close as a family. Was there a lot of structure, you know, meaning what are your parents, like, actually? No. So, no, it was like, three for all. What is that word? He became, like, the first biggest, most famous snowboarder of all time, clearly. Structure. What is he talking about?

That's hilarious. No, I think, you know, for us, it was like, dad worked all day and then mom worked all night. So it was just, like, kind of ever revolving, you know, parenting, which, you know, hats off to them because I don't know how they looked after three of us regardless. But, you know, it was like, it was great in a way because there was just so much independence. And so we were just kind of like ruling each other in a way. Yeah. It was very. And you were the oldest.

So, like, I would follow your lead, like, the door would close and, like, parent would, you know, like, my mom would be heading off to work before my dad got home. And Jesse's like, check it out. And he'd take, like, all of the pillows in the whole house and all of the blankets and the couch cushions and everything. And he'd pile it at the bottom of, we had this, like, you know, the entryway. And then we had a big stairs set that went up for the, for the upstairs, you know. And he would pile everything at the bottom of the stairs. and we would then huck ourselves off the top rungs of the stair, you know, set higher and higher. There were three landing, so we would go up higher and higher and launch ourselves to this thing while they were gone.

Yeah, it's every parent's dream. Like, it really is. Yeah. But they were kind of instigators. Like, we came home one day, and I heard my dad, like, tinkering in the backyard. I was like, what's going on? And I think it was either Christmas was on its way or something or Costco was having a sale. But this is where we got most of our items

My parents bought a trampoline And I was like, oh my God Jackpot So I'm on this thing every single day And it was like the worst place ever To set up a trampoline This side on the one side Was like a big old thing of rose bushes

Thorny rose bushes And then the other side was concrete And then this side was like where the house was So it's like glass windows. Oh my God. And they're like, cool, have fun. You know. Cool, cool.

You guys enjoy. You got this. We'll be back in a couple hours. Yeah, don't flip. You look fine. You look great. Yeah, don't do double jumps. And we're like, oh, for sure.

Yeah. You won't do that. And it was, like, we were, you know, we were like a fun family. But like stuff would go down, you know, accidents would happen. And like, some kid crawled under the trampoline and tried to, like, kick our feet at one point, like, while we were jumping. And that's, like, right when Jesse did, like, a big cannonball and, like, snap this kid's leg. Oh, yeah.

Like, so now of a sudden, like, you know, like, we were getting the rep in the neighborhood as, like, okay, these guys are... Bad boys. You're very, like, Will Smith, Martin Lawrence. Yeah. But, like, we would survive. It was all the other kids that would get hurt. And we couldn't figure it out.

We're like, why would he do that? Why? Who crawls under the trampoline? You go on top of the truth. Who makes that decision? Right. That's their bad decision. Like, who's not teaching these kids?

They're the assholes. And then, Sean, remember for extra fun, like, the padding at some point, too, to protect yourself from the springs? Oh, yeah. The padding got just destroyed at some point. So then, like, the danger, like, it just kept escalating. That's how I have a scar. You can't see it, but I have a scar on my nose because I flew head first into the springs

one day and got a, got sliced my face open a little. Wait, how old are you guys? You're 33 and 14. 33. Yeah. So it's funny, isn't it? Because, like, things are so different now. Yeah.

It's so funny now because, like, at one point, my, our neighbors are in the community. Like, these people that kind of lived out slightly in the countryside, they had a skate ramp. And they're like, oh, we want to get rid of this ramp. And of course, we're like, we'll take it. And so my parents bring this ramp over and we put it up in the backyard. And now it's incredible because we got, like, a jacuzzi, a trampoline and a skate ramp. Oh, so, like, perfect. dreams come true.

Yeah, at like six years old, Sean is set. Just no shirt, relaxing. Yes. What are we going to do today? No, it was just like the best backyard ever. And we would skate this ramp every single day. What they didn't tell us is that they wanted to get rid of the ramp because people were like breaking into their backyard and skating it.

And everybody that skated that ramp realized that the ramp wasn't gone and it had just moved. And like, we had a jacuzzi. So they were all breaking. breaking into our yard using the ramp and my parents were like, you know. Dude, Jay, Jesse, do you, do you remember when Sean was born and, like, brought home? Because you were six. Like, you were of age to remember that. Oh, not really.

Like, with our age difference, I'm not quite sure what, you know, what really happened with Sean being born. He just suddenly showed up, if you will. And the same with our sister. He just blocked that out. I'm just really like there was a good chunk of time where I was like, I'm pretty busy. I can't be bothered, you know. I got Lego moon set to build.

So not so much, but I do remember that when our sister was born, it was about the time we moved into this new neighborhood. So that was kind of like the start of, I guess, real life. So you don't remember when Sean came home from the hospital? Come on, Jesse. I was like, yeah, I'm the younger brother. He didn't, he didn't, he was the youngest. He didn't, he didn't fuck up your game.

Like, who's this little bastard who's come into my life now and has ruined everything? The thing, so like I have, you know, I have a child now and, you know, obviously I don't remember myself then, but my parents say that he's basically, you know, how I was. And the thing with me, I think growing up is that, like, I was so self-sufficient. like totally on my own just kind of like give me some Legos and that's all I really cared about so it's like kind of crazy to say

but there's like it's not that I didn't care because you know I love him but like maybe now yeah and it's fine but like back then you know like the the you know things shifted around like in the beginning my sister and I were closer because we were more similar age

and Jesse didn't like really want much to do with me because I was I was pretty awful like I would just jab him in the ribs until I got a reaction which was usually like hitting me or something I'd be thrown down the hallway or like I just had so much energy and I don't think him being you know seven six seven years older than me um really like you know you were already on to the next thing like you weren't you like we had nothing in common at that age yeah when do you think you guys jess you at least recognize sean is like all right he's my little brother but he's kind of a dude now like let like put my arm around you and sort of show you the way right i mean skateboarding sean like i think around that

i think that was 16 or 15 16 yeah maybe maybe a little younger but it was basically around the time when we both started skateboarding and so Oh, you mean skating in the... Yeah, because then we could go to... I was tolerable at that point, but you didn't want to... You didn't want to... Well, the thing that we're not addressing

is that Sean's a redhead. And a red-headed child is not like, you know, it's like you see a magy street badger. Like a badger on the ground, and he's got some trash in his mouth, and he's looking at you, and he's like, I'm going to pay your life up. But you don't want to touch it.

But I'm cute. Do you want it? And you're like, I don't want it, but I'll take it. And then you bring it home, and you're really. realize, you're like, I've got a dirty badger in my house. This is a nightmare.

That is actually what it's like growing up with a with a redhead. And so, you know, you guys got to love that to soak in. Really? Like nobody. Yeah, actually. And our sister is blonde. Yeah, Carrie's blonde.

We've just covered the bases. And my mom's sides all Italians. I don't know. It's a strange situation where I, where I came from but wait wait so jesse so he bugged the shit out of you basically until he was 15 or 16 years old i mean you were just like this little fuckers just get out of my way that's when i remember really clicking like we were homies like i thought when we were younger like you were obviously like you loved me and you were you were there for me and all these things but we weren't like kicking it

socially like you had your group of friends were a lot older and then i think the skate ramp really tied us together though yeah that's like you and your buddies We're in high school and, like, you know, wearing primus t-shirts and, like, you'd come skate the ramp. That's right. That's exactly what we're doing. Yeah. I didn't remember that.

But, Sean, weren't you born with a health condition? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's called Tetralogy Flow. It's a congenital heart defect. And I had a couple surgeries to correct it. That was, like, real early, though, like, right when I was born. So did that affect, Jesse, how you sort of played with him?

No. And that was, you know, so both are Sean and then our sister as well, like when we were young, both spent quite some time in the hospital. And, you know, it was pretty extensive. I think my parents stayed at the Ronald McDonald's house for quite some time. And, you know, we were in and out. And during that whole time, you're still pretty young. I was living a lot with my aunt and would like check into the hospital. And then, you know,

Sean and Kerry were so young when they happened. By the time they got to like four and five, they were just normal. And it wasn't that much of a consideration. And, you know, I think our parents, like our dad is, is, I mean, he's one of a kind. And like living with like a sense of fear is not really like something that was a part

of our family dynamic. So, you know, our mom would get worried, but we didn't really live with that. Like, it wasn't a stigmatism that held over. That's interesting. That's interesting. Now, do you think this, it's a bigger question because obviously you guys are not fearless. Everyone has fear. But to be able to do what you have done, Sean, and even you, Jesse, I'm sure, you have probably a fearlessness.

I mean, do you think that that is innate and you're born with that? or do you think it's sort of how you were raised or it's a combination of both? I don't, like, Sean, I don't know, like, because we talk about this one time to time, but it's, I wouldn't say it's so much fearlessness. I think it's just like, you know, like awareness, if you will. Like, Sean, what do you say?

Like, it's just more about, like, you know yourself so well and you know your body and then you can just, you know, you just end up like feeling it out. Yeah, yeah, I think it's both. I think it's like, you know, mom and dad didn't really like, I mean, mom was much more, you know, worried than Raj was about things. And he, he kind of like, like, she would start to go a place, like, can he do this? And he'd be like, you know, like, let's see. Yeah, and let's like level set here too.

Like, he would mellow her out. Rogers, like, dad's like the kind of guy that would go, him and our grandpa would go out. would go out to San Diego Harbor on a little dingy in the middle of the night and dive down, like, into the ocean on the, with a flashlight and a knife and like, yeah, and like poach.

Basically poach, yeah. Coming home, like, covered in blue ink and stuff. Who does that, you know? Like, how do you start there? It's like Oliver. You know. They would poach the traps. Oh, for sure.

Yeah, they were, they were, my dad, his life revolves around the beach. He loves the ocean. I'm actually named Sean after the South African surfer, Sean Thompson. Jesse's named after Jesse Takamura, the famous sumo wrestler, just in case.

Because that was a big baby. He was a very big baby. He was a very big baby. He was a big baby. Big white baby in the Hawaiian hospital. Big Howley baby. That's a big baby. Yeah, a big round.

very hungry baby you know he he always loved being in the water and surfing and and diving in these things and he used to dive for like abalone and stuff so on occasion he would go out and like dive and poach the traps with my grandpa um but you know they were they were those characters like when when they set up the trampoline my mom's like you can't do flips there's no there's no flips you can jump up and down but don't do a flip and my dad like did a backflip I was like well He's going to break the rules. I'm going to break the, you know what I mean? And so he would kind of like set the tempo as well. But we never really lived, I think, in that fear state of like, oh, like, don't worry about it. And then as we grew up in that kind of environment, I think it just became instilled in us. Because I never really think about my heart condition until, you know, or now I do a little bit more. I'm like, oh, you know, maybe I won't do this or that.

But it rarely comes into my life because it's not something I was trained to constantly think about. And but mind you, like, I feel very, very fortunate that my condition allows me to do these things. You know, I know some people with the same condition and everything's different for other people's. It's just like some people get affected by the flu much, you know, more severely than others. I think my may be a rare condition where I just bounced back and had the fight in me. So I don't know. I definitely am thankful for what I can do. And I know some of my limitations, but at that time, it definitely wasn't like.

Like, you know, every single thing we did that was, like, micromanaged by our parents, definitely not the case. Right. But limitations. I mean, how do you have? What are your limitations? I mean, you've pretty much done it all as far as cardiovascularly and putting your body on the line, you know? I was told I can't scuba dive. Oh, really? That was kind of it. Kat was like, don't stay in the sauna too long and don't scuba dive. And I was like, when the heck am I going to see? scuba dive. And it doesn't, it doesn't, I don't know what it is about, like, it's something about, like, a CO2 bubble getting into your bloodstreams. I don't know, it's some, some random anomaly that would happen.

And so I was like, oh, whatever, who cares? And now, you know, and- But now, Sean, is it like the forbidden fruit? It really hurts. It's the forbidden fruit, isn't it? It really bums me out, like, because I went and my friends with scuba diving, and they're down there petting, you know, sharks and porpoises and things. And I'm like floating on the surface.

Hang with seagulls and just... Yeah, totally. Is this the same thing as like Jimmy Kimmel's... Yes, exactly. Yes, he actually called me to come on the show and talk about it when he found out. It was a very heavy moment. Listening to Jimmy do his opening speech and explaining the situation and what his family's going through. And he's like, I had to hand my beautiful newborn baby to someone to go be cut open.

and operated on, you know what I mean? And just this whole thing kind of flashed in front of my eyes of like what my parents actually went through at that time. Because, you know, I remember it being a part of my history. But like Jesse said, as we got older, it just kind of like, hey, look, you know, kids doing great. We won't hold them back. And then, you know, to get these checks or these moments in life where you get

perspective, I was really blown away, you know, how he was handling it and how my parents, you know, handled it. And I remember calling my mom after and thanking her for, for, you know, growing, you know, teaching me the lessons she did and letting me kind of find my own boundaries and all that. It was just such a heavy situation. She's like, yeah, if Jimmy's got any questions, just have him call me, you know. I was like, oh, okay, you know.

Jimmy's so funny. There you go. Yeah, why don't you guys talk? It really does say a lot about your parents, you know, even just to have the freedom, your trampoline and all of those, all the stories that you're telling and just feeling like, never feeling like you had any. or were any different than your brothers or needed to be played with differently.

Like, that's such a gift that your parents were able to let go. Sure. I mean, it's hard because, you know, we're parents and it's hard because you want to protect your kids always. That's just an instinct. But at the same time, you have to let them do their thing. You have to let them fall and fail and get hurt.

And live. Yeah. And live. But it goes against your sort of natural, in paternal, for me, maternal for Kate, instinct to sort of say, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But it's like, you know what, fuck it. As long as they're not going to die, you know, meaning like don't run out in the street. But, hey, take a spill. Yeah, or like jump off, jump on trampolines that have no paths.

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How old were you when he left? 11 when he left for college? Yeah, but I didn't go to college, but we, I just left. You guys can't even afford a pad on the trampoline. I'm out of here. I'm out of here.

So what did you do? So, I mean, we grew up snowboarding. It was such a big part of our lives. You know, to get, even at the point of me turning 18, like we had had a whole history, almost four years of snowboarding, competitive snowboarding,

We had a road tripping together. We had a family van. We'd all get to get in and go from contest to contest. And I think we skipped a little rung in the ladder because Jesse started to snowboard first and I started to snowboard after him. Then my sister, then my dad, then finally my mom. And now that we all snowboarded, it became like our thing. So like instead of our parents yelling at us from the sideline of a soccer field or any traditional sport where they're just sitting watching, this is like they were there with us participating. So we go up, ride together, and then on the weekends, there'd be like these little amateur

contests. And then once I was entered in a contest, and, you know, I did pretty well. I think I did pretty well. I won it. It was a race. And then Jesse also entered and did pretty, pretty well. And it just became our thing where we would go up, have a day of free riding and do a competition and, like, head home. And that was like our weekend, every single weekend. Fun. And then once things kind of took off, and I, man, the whole thing. I think Jesse had a couple sponsors. I had a couple sponsors and, like, things took off. And it just became like, okay, now there's like interests in our kids have talent.

We're going to hit the road and start doing these events. But Jesse and I, like, that's when we really started to come together as a family, I think. You know, we were with each other every single day. And our parents did the one thing that we loved to do. That's pretty cool. That's really cool. So you guys did this while you were in school. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So how did you get your school work done? Or did you just, did you home school? How did that work out? I mean, how hard is school? Let's be honest. You know, A plus D. There's a lot of sick days, you know.

Yeah. We would, you know, the thing is that, so we didn't grow up in the mountains, right? We grew up in San Diego. And then our closest mountain was about like two and a half hours away. It's called Snow Summit. And so what our parents would do is basically we do school on Friday. We'd drive up Friday night We'd try to snowboard that night

If we could And we had like a little cabin That they rented Well first actually we just would go to Motel 6 Yeah And that was Wow yeah that was something We love motel 6

We didn't have cable And like we barely wanted to snowboard Because we could watch like Beavis and Butthead The Discovery Channel It was sick There's TV and all these states And you could just watch them.

It was incredible. Look at the channels. And so we would do that. And sometimes we'd sleep in the parking lot. You know, we just kind of like made it work. Our parents really just made it work, which was incredible. But, you know, the whole thing is that we'd leave Friday. We'd get up there.

We'd have only Saturday and Sunday to ride. Like, that's it. Where everyone else that lives up there, you know, they could just do it when they wanted. we were just so hyper-focused in a small amount of time and then they'd jam us back home Sunday night and we'd like come to school like her face is all sunburned.

Oh yeah, the goggles. Just like, you're like, whoa, well, how was your weekend, you know? And we would just be snowboarding. Like that's what we'd be up to. And then when things got more serious, like talk about, you know, a miracle or fate or whatever, but like right when things got serious for my career,

especially, you know, it just so happened that our school, principal, Mr. Swinerton, was an avid skier from Utah. So he's just like, he's like, oh, I get it. Yeah. Go for it. Like, that's great. I heard it's dumping over there. You should go. I'll figure it out. We'll put you in a different class when you come back. I was like, really? Like, I'll be like, hey, I'm going to go Japan for like three weeks. Like, what do you think? He's like, sounds awesome. Like, really? Like, yeah. So like, I was put in this special class where I'd like make up my work and like, you know, he just really helped me out. It wasn't intense.

middle school where things got a little rocky because like middle school they kind of break you in for high school where you have you know you have to get your own to your own classes on time and you got a little bit more and and the teachers aren't so nice and responsible for you they're like yeah well whatever you figure it out you get back to you know and they kind of break you in for high school and and at that time um you know i'm now i don't have mr swinerton to back me and at that point i was like okay well this is getting to a place where it's more serious i have sponsored sponsors. I might have been making money at that point or just gone pro. So it was like, hey, let's, let's do independent study. So that's when that all kind of kicked off. And that's

kind of like, I don't know. That's kind of like when I left was kind of like right when you went into middle school. Was that when you went to Tahoe? Yeah, that's when I moved up to Lake Tahoe. But you weren't gone for long. Well, I mean, it's just so nice at this house. You know, you guys, You had the snacks, and you had the food. I feel like I'm really getting the vibe of how this basically... Basically, you didn't really leave. You just got your independence. I absolutely was a man on my own.

I had my own Costco card. So that was a big step. Yeah, you're like, I am my own human. Why did you move to Tahoe? You're just like, I'm out of here. I'm going to, I'm going to Tahoe where the snow is. Snowboarding. I mean, that was definitely it.

So, you know, how we grew up snowboarding was definitely, was just a little different. Sean was very, like, competitions. And I was a little bit more about just, like, freestyle or, like, just doing it non-competitively. And so we just had these two different routes, and Tahoe was just a place to be to do that. Right.

And how long were you there before you went back home? Let's just, you know. You're there for a little while. I mean, I definitely put it in. I think I did I did two years I think two years and then and then I don't know why but I felt this like ting that I had to go to college like it was like a responsible thing to do and so I went to college for a semester and then I was like nope yeah no this is this is not this is terrible this is like where did you study all your art and everything or is it just was that just a passion

of yours um that was you know that was like right when I No, I know. I know. We talk all the time. I just remember you always being very artistic. So you would always, like, be doing something. You were always, like, painting or drawing or something. Yeah, that was always, I think that was always there. And then right around that time, too, I hurt myself pretty bad.

And so I was back at home. I was hurt. I took a drawing class. And that was like, you know, you had to do community college. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You can't say you're hurt and not say how you got hurt. So you got hurt. Kate wants.

I want the, I want to know what. Yeah, totally. I mean, I wish I could make this sound like a diehard moment, you know, just like, oh, and then there's the German, right? And I was on the edge. I was a grenade and then, you know, it's just, no, I was, I was snowboarding. I was trying to trick on a handrail. So, like, you know, you can snow at the resort and you can snowboard or you can also go

snowboarding kind of in the streets when it snows. And we'd love to look for stairs and the handrails. And so you slide down them. And so I was doing this rail. And the way I fell, I fell, like, sitting down in my butt kind of, like, slipped. Like, the discs kind of just slipped out. And I was just, I was out. Like, I couldn't feel my legs for a little.

I was just pretty nervous. And it ended up just tearing, like, a bunch of stuff in my lower back. And so, recovering back at home, which also included, like, a bunch of ice cream. This is, like, a professional athlete recovery diet, tubs of ice cream. Mint chocolate chip. Panda Express. My jam. My fosco runs.

I remember I would go play in his room and under his bed would be all the various bowls. I was a healthy child. He'd finished and put him under his bed. You guys healthy child. Was that the Willy Wonka year where we just, we watched Willy Wonka like over and over and over and over. It was a tough stuff. It got really weird. It got really weird.

It got like really, really weird. And I remember you were just like down to let me be a. around, so I was like, okay, I'll watch this with you again. You're like she started over. You guys, this is, this is like, I don't even know how to, I don't know how our parents didn't like kick us over to like a psychiatrist or something. Like, it was a full year of Willy Wonka. Just Willie Wonka.

Like, twice a day, like the Gene Wilde, like, at least. So amazing in that movie. One of the great movies, by the way. One of the great movies, right? Yeah. We can just put it on the list. So, all right. So you checked out.

You were in Tahoe-ish. And you're still boarding, but you're, but you don't board competition-wise. Like, you're not doing, you're not competing. He's more of a soulful border. I'm a soul, yeah, a soul-border. Soul border. What I like, what we'd like to say. That's right.

Yeah, but at that time, too, Sean, you were, I mean, you were still doing the amateur contest, right? Yeah, probably. And it was like right around, you were like 11 or 12. Without all the Stagg Chili, like winning all that good booty. the other thing about these contests that we did growing up is like they just had the craziest prizes I do remember that

because you couldn't win money and be an amateur so they'd give you various prizes from the sponsors of the event and the sponsors were pretty outrageous and one was one so you'd walk up and my mom would always get pissed because she'd be like I'd win the I'd win the event or Jesse

Jesse'd win and you'd go pick a prize and there's this big table full of all these prizes. There's a snowboard. There's a skateboard. There's a jacket. There's all this stuff. And at the time, you know, like, my mom's like, get the jacket. We can use it.

Or we can sell it. We can sell it to somebody, you know, pay for gas, you know. And, like, we'd be up there, like, ah. And then we'd always grab the box of stag chili. The stag chili. It's like a variety pack with all different. And you can see your parents just, no. They're like, no.

And so, you know, and we're sitting there eating the chili in the van. And, uh, but, um, did you guys, did you have a name for the van? What would, how they call it the Mo? The Mo. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't very clever. It was motorhomes or Mo.

The Mo. The Big Mo. I like Mo. I like Mo. I like Mo. It's got character. But the story of it was pretty great because they found, I don't know how they found it, but it was, it was apparently used.

down near the border as like a stakeout van and whoever was in there watching for people crossing the border you know he he had a lot of cats and the cats had fleas and like do we got this van it was like this red rust coloration and and it was we had I remember pulling the flea bombs with with Roger had and throwing him in the van to like kill all the fleas and then they took the van to Tijuana to have it re-apulstered. Obviously, obviously. Yeah, for the least amount of money as possible. And then brought it back over and then my dad like somehow installed.

He's a pretty handy guy, but like he, it'll work, but on occasion. And so he somehow rigged it to have like a propane tank outside and like a little stove in there and like some running water here and there. And that became like the family. Dude, isn't it's so great though. I mean, the memories, it's like, I'm nostalgic and I'm not even a part of your family. I'm like, oh, man, I remember that too. It was so good seeing you there.

I know. Hey, guys. It just feels that. Well, I think what you're feeling, Ollie, is like a connection to the mountain. It just speaks to me. It's like in my heart. I love it so much. Just the energy of the mountains is to, that's what I'm feeling, I think.

Ollie's a beautiful skier. like a, like a, like, I can, yeah, what's it, what's it like what? No, like, like, like, like a beautiful swan floating down the mountain on marshmallows. If I'm a trash badger, then what is he? Totally. What is, what is, I was going to, I was going to compliment you. I never compliment you.

I was just going to compliment you and see now it's been, it's like carmick. Now I can't do it. I know she can't do it. This would have been one of the first compliments. No, I was going to say Oliver has this way of skiing. He's the guy that you see when you're on the chairlift or the gondola and you're like, he must be like a instructor or a ski patrol or something. You know, he's like that kind of scared.

Confidence shines through. Yeah, he's got to. I wish I had more balls, though, dude. Watching what you've done in the ship that you've pulled off. It's like, how do you even begin that shit? It's crazy to me. Just, you know, the confidence. and, again, just the nuts.

The attempting got easier, actually, because we, you know, kind of revolutionized the sport by using airbags, like what stuntmen use in Hollywood and they blow up these big bags of air with multi-layers and the air disperses when you hit the top

and it kind of catches you safely. Somewhat, I mean, nothing's foolproof. I've been in the mountains where, like, the lifeties, the guys that run the resort or whatever, you know, they're like, younger dudes and they're hanging or girls and guys and sometimes they're from other countries

and they're just chit-chat hanging out and like they didn't realize that the generator ran out and the thing slowly deplating I hit it and I hit the bottom I'm like oh like things go wrong or the wind picks it up

and moves it to the left slightly and you miss the thing it's just a lot can go wrong but you know before that you had to give it just the old hey here we go let's try it how many times on the bag

how confident do you have to be on the bag to then actually put it put it on the, put it, put it to the snow, you know what I mean? It really depends. It's just kind of like, it's like a numbers game at that point. And like how consistent am I?

Like when I wake up in the first attempt, does that one on? Or does it take me like three tries to get to a point where I'm like warmed up? And then knowing that like, okay, cool. If I was going to try it today, I'm definitely going to try it on the third, on the first try.

I try it on the third try. But you want to get it to where, Like there's been a week straight where you wake up, you've barely, you know, stretched and done anything and you can drop that trick. No problem. On to the bag, perfect. And you're just kind of feeling it. And then you would take it to the actual wall. And especially with attempting tricks, like before you had to just kind of work up to it and try it.

And that was, that was heavy. You would take a lot of hits. And now the tricks, it just happened at this perfect time where, you know, I was actually, God, I was probably 22, I want to say. And I was going for my second Olympics, and I had called one of my sponsors and said, hey, you know what? It's getting crazy for me at the resort. People are standing on the side of the halfpipe trying to get selfies with me while I'm in the air. Because, like, you could just show up at the resort and buy a lift ticket and come.

Yeah, there's no, like, half pipe. I can't feed you out. Yeah, there's no, like, it's not like NBA. Like, you're there. Like, you're just. It's like, if you could drive your car onto the track and, and, and be, you. next to Jeff Gordon like, hey, and like trying to get a picture with them in the second turn. And so it's distracting and it's a lot. And then it's hard to film at that time too. Plus when the sun, you know,

is going over the mountainside, like certain times of the day, it's better to hit certain walls. Like this wall's shaded and then this one's in the sun or switches around. And if you really want the afternoon sunny wall, you can't do it at the resort because the half pipes chewed up by then. And it's been, you know, the general public's just been going through there all day long. And it's snow. It's soft. It melts. You get it. You know, and it's chundery at the end of the day. And you can't really do your tricks. So this was like, hey, this perfect scenario where we're going to be in a private setting that's safer. We can film, do all these things. And then I had this idea of like, man, if we're going to go to this great length of building this half pipe, you know, I spent a summer skateboarding at this place called Camp Woodward out in Pennsylvania. Yeah. I know Woodward.

It's the It is the best place on Earth thing I was I don't know how old that was I was probably like 11 or something It's literally like The most amazing skate park you've ever been to And there's like 10 different skate parks You can go to all various levels of

You know Difficulty and attached to it Is a gymnastics camp So like I don't even know I think I may have gotten like my first kiss out there Or second kiss up I was like yes It's the best place on earth

You know and but I remember that story, that's a whole other story, but this, I remember watching the gymnastics going down and seeing that they were jumping into foam blocks. And I was like, oh, wow, that's really interesting. And then later on, Travis Pistrana

started doing his training for double backflips on a motorcycle into a foam pit. And I was like, why don't we do that? Why don't we bring a foam pit up to the mountain and cut off the end of the half pipe and I'll jump out of the pipe into the foam. And,

And that then later turned into, so I could safely, like, try my tricks and then go back up and do it in the half-hyp. This had never been done before. And it changed the sport. And the foam pit, man, it was really difficult. Like, it's really heavy. It's hard to get up there. What's the container made out of that holds the blocks? Do the blocks, if the blocks get wet, they freeze at night?

Like, there's a lot of variables. So the airbag invention was much, much better. And it's a lot easier and safer to use. but that really changed the sport so now trying tricks you do have the comfort of using an airbag but the side or the kicker of it all is that

the tricks got a lot harder and it's partly my fault but you know a lot my fault because I was pushing the envelope hey Jesse when did you see your little brother and be like okay

wait a minute like this this shit is real yeah I mean it was pretty clear like I want to say like our first year riding together snowboarding's like you know you you know when you first learn it's just hard yeah and back then too like there was never equipment that was like as good it is now so you know like my snowboard weighed 20 pounds it was like a rental board basically and Sean was snowboarding in ski boots on like just some like janky snowboard that was like made by the lift off right like it was just like not what you see now but then with that it was just we just accelerated so quickly I mean and being like what was really

unique about Snow Summit too at that time how we grew up is like what Sean was getting to is like the park builder for Snow Summit happens to be like the best park builder in the world and this is where he grew up like honing his craft so like we grew up in this you know not the greatest mountain setting. But it was, I mean, the best place to be in the entire world at that time if you wanted to snowboard. That's like, that's like outliers. It's the book. It's the Malcolm Gladwell book where they're like, you know, the things that actually set you up for to be like the greatest or the great success are a series of things. Like would you have, would you have been able to get there if you say didn't have a park like that, you know, to start? I mean,

you know. No, after reading that book, I applied a lot of. of it to my life and I sat there thinking, wow, well, you know what, Snow Summit had a toe rope at the half pipe itself. So toe rope is like, you know, you guys from Colorado, but for the people listening, it's a, it's a, it's a miniature chairlift, would you say? It's just a rope with little, you know, hooks on it that you grab onto. It's so hard to use. You grab onto it. Like, most defying contraption. You either ride, hey, does this, uh, does this look good? Do you think we're done? Yeah, we're done. This is fine. Yeah. Yeah, you either like ride up with it or you fall and it drags you up there or your clothes get hooked and drags you up the side of the hill.

But I was sitting there thinking like, okay, if you grew up in, say, Vermont or Colorado or wherever and you had to take the chairlift to take a lap for the half pipe and I only had to take the toe rope, I'm probably getting in, you know, four or five runs or what if you had to hike the half pipe, you know, I'm probably getting in, you know, four or five runs. compared to your one run. And that's like every single day that I'm on the mountain. And the days that we actually rode were so frequent because California has that beautiful sunny weather. You know, if you were in Vermont, say it's like well below freezing, you're taking the chairlift. Like it's very intimidating to go, okay, I'm going to try this, you know, scary trick next run

where I'm in California where a lot of the pros are now coming to ride a bit. Yeah, yeah, just like in the soft snow, having a good one. Yeah. Six years old, just shirt off. Yeah, just killing it. I don't think I was a dirty trash badger on a loose. So, but Jesse, so you, you're obviously, when you guys are boarding, right, you're better. Because you're older and you're better and you're better and you're better.

Was there the moment that all of a sudden you're like, this little fucker, Sean has just overtaken me? I mean... Or do you still think you're better? Or do you still think you're better? I mean, let's just get a couple things straight, guys. Okay. It was, you know, it was, it was all kind of within a couple of years. Like, we just noticed a transition.

Like, with riding at this resort, too, it's super busy, right? Like, we're only riding on the weekends where everyone else is riding as well. So we had to ride in groups, like, it would be five of us. And we'd all be about, like, six feet apart. And we'd all be hitting the jumps. And you just kind of like, one goes right, one goes left. And then, you know, it started to be where, like, Sean just kept landing. Like, he was always the one that was, like, land.

and going on to the next jump. And so it was just this, like, evolution. And then all of a sudden, you started, Sean, like, competing in just, like, winning more and more and more. And then it just, like, it just flipped. And you could just tell. You know. I think you had a couple injuries, though. You had your, you had the ACL and some things.

And I think there's a point where you slightly went like, I don't know if I want to do this. You can just say, I turned into an artist. I just went full artist mode. You did. He went full artist on me. And that was a time. Like Elliot Smith, a lot of, like, dark rooms and homes. Yeah. We can talk about it.

It's fine. The jeans were tight. You know, my attitude was huge. It was a time and a moment. You were brewing your own beer in the closet. Yeah, there was a lot of... I love that you said death cab for cutie that just, like, that just, like, put it all in perspective for me. Right?

It's like you say that and you get it. I immediately know the guy you're talking about. This guy. That's who we're talking about. This guy, 19. But I'm amazed at how it's so seamlessly kind of transition because you slowly like were like getting into other things and then I started to really excel at competing and getting sponsors and I decided to go pro and I was getting notoriety.

And then it got very like uncool to be with mom and dad. out on the road still. And it was getting hard for them to keep their jobs and travel with me. And then you were almost old enough to rent a car at that point. Yeah. Those were the decided factors. Yeah, I had just dropped out of college.

And they're like, you know what? You guys should travel the world together. That's what. That's what. Jesse became what we call the team manager. So he worked technically for Burton snowboards and became my team manager. So like travel companion and he'd help me do these things. But

simultaneously with my... Did you guys get into, like, did you have... Oh, my gosh. So much trouble? We were super chill. Like, asleep at 9, up early. Well, as the team manager, Jesse, you have to make sure of those things.

You know what? They gave me a credit card. So we were fine. I was an adult. Great. Great, great, great. Thank God for you. Was there ever a time, Sean, where you were like,

Jesse? you have to like get this together he was pretty responsible like we would get it done but then at times like it would just get like it would seem like it was going pretty well and then it would just go oh my god take a turn

and like you know like I totaled the rental car in New Zealand trying to do donuts in the in the driveway and then just he had to go yeah I crashed the car sorry because he's on the insurance. So he's like, yeah, I crashed the car. They're like, what happened? He's like, yeah, I don't know.

I got lost control. And then they put us in that horrible, it was like a geo-metro, but we had to actually make it to the top of this like muddy, like dirt road, you know, mountain top in New Zealand and in a tiny little car with the steering wheel on the other side

and like we would get to the top of the mountain and it'd all be frozen by the end of the day that would turn into this deep mud and we'd just be like scraping the car bottom all the way down the mountain to get back to where we needed to go. And then, you know, like, you, well, I was still in school. So I was doing my homework. Oh, really? Yeah, because I had to do, like, algebra.

And, like, you were great at math. Ninth grade or tenth grade? Yeah, maybe like ninth or tenth. Yeah, it was around that time. And Jesse, you were responsible enough to say, Sean, you've got to do your algebra. Like, I mean. I mean, do you not see this face? Like, yes.

I don't, I just don't, I can't see it. Oliver and I are not buying this for all the listeners out there. I had a teacher I had to answer to. So we were more, we were more just like mischief friends on the road. But man, it was, it was really fun. What great memories, you guys. Like, that is, that's special shit. That's cool.

That's really, really cool. You showed up in the banana costume at 4 a.m. in Japan. Again, I don't know who you're talking about. I was like, what is happening? I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, you know, the great thing, too, about it was just like, I'm like trying to just like move this along. I know.

But like, you know, the truth of it was too is like, I think I was, yeah, I was just like a little bit more responsible and there was just some level of trust. But, you know, I was still snowboarding a ton so we could snowboard together. We could travel together pretty easily. I couldn't rent rental cars from every company but I could rent them from enough companies

to like get us through and it also so happened that like Sean and I like could you know like I could help him with his work and we could I could help him with homework

like we just kind of like found this thing. You filled a lot of roles at that point you were like family for me on the road you were also like team managers so you're like renting cars and getting to the hotel and being responsible

you also like were really into photography so you're shooting photos of me that you were then like selling to magazines and to back to the sponsors and you had your own like thing going there and then and then i was getting signature products that you know needed design and you know a pro model snowboard boot or a pro model snowboard that needed graphics and designs and i would turn to jesse so he became like kind of my my go-to on everything and coach because you knew how to snowboard you were incredibly talented at snowboarding. It's just your stronger suit wasn't competition, but you would sit and help me, like, plan the run

and keep an eye of the other competitors and see what they were doing. So your role was so, like, involved. I'm just, like, now thinking back about it, it's you were doing a lot. Right. So naturally, you've given them half of your money, right? Of course.

Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sean, when did you know, like, when did it hit you that you were like, I can do things that I'm not seeing anybody able to do on these mountains. I think that all happened when I was when I was really young, probably like eight or something like that. I like dropped in the vert ramp at our local YMCA and they had a skate park there and just so happened that like, you know, just so happened that Snow Summit had a tow rope. Just so happens.

We grew up 20 minutes from a skate park that Tony Hawk would go skate. Yeah. And so just as much as I was a snow. I come home and every single weekday after school, if I was either on the trampoline, I was always at the skate park. And, you know, I fell in love with skating. And I realized that, like, I could do things that my friends couldn't. And, and, you know, when I was a kid, I had a bicycle and we all got bikes for Christmas. And we build a jump here and there. And then I would jump over a trash can or over two trash cans. And I'm like, we should line up to neighborhood kids.

Yep. And see how many I could jump over. And. And. you know we got to like six seven kids and then it's like okay but like I remember I remember mom dad just watching this happen like oh yeah he's got it so I just remember like being like I can do this I can do things that my friends can't and and complete confidence about it so it was a young age that I knew that and then at that same young age when I started snowboarding I you know had interest from sponsors I got sponsored by Burton when I was around like seven years old so I was already feeling somewhat special and like had a path and then i just really leaned into it and then with the guidance from jesse and and and think like when his friends were riding with us on the mountain

himself he's seven years older so i'm trying to learn all the tricks that they're learning but i'm seven years younger and now i dropped to my age bracket and no no wonder a lot of the kids couldn't hang with the tricks i was doing at the time so it was definitely like an interesting how did you how did you check how did you check yourself you know i mean how did you because you seem you seem like a you know i don't know you that well but you're a pretty centered grounded dude like but when you're getting that much attention at that young of an age does your brother check you i mean do your parents check you or does your head get big i mean did you ever have the moment we're like i'm i'm the i'm the shit you know nobody really nobody really cared remember that jessie yeah we're in

like if you were the star on the football team you were you were you were getting praised you know We were like the Misfit family that had like a trampoline and a skate ramp in their backyard and they're getting the cops called on them because people were like throwing parties and stuff so like we weren't really like it's not like known.

Today. It wasn't really known too. Like we grew up by the beach. You know, we were we weren't like what that we were doing in the weekends? You know, no one knew. Not one of my friends skateboarded or snowboarded. Maybe some of Jesse's friends that were older

and like into the scene but like none of my friends. So you were like, you were by. by 13, traveling the world, like totally sponsored. Were you making like a good living at even at 13? Oh yeah.

He was like, I'm the shit. I woke up. I was like, shut up, mom. Yeah, I got some Cheetos. Yeah, give me a cheetos. There were like only a few moments where I like flexed the power that I

had, but rare. You know, there was one trip. All I remember is like, I didn't want to drive home in the van. And I had made, I had made money on the trip or something. And I was just like, I want to fly home. And my mom's like, are you kidding me? And I was like, no, I want to fly home. So there may be like two or three times as a kid when that went down where I was like, you know what?

Like, I'm tired. I'm exhausted. I just want to get home. And they would kind of make an exception here and there. But for the majority, I was part of the family. And in our community, didn't celebrate me the way I was celebrated on the mountain. So I had two different lives. And then, you know, through success, things got different, you know.

And my craft is obviously different than the world of acting and things where, like, I literally get to stand on a podium in first place. So I'm like, those are very, you know, those glory moments that you dream about and hope for. And even that, though, I do look back on my. my old contest and go, oh, this could have been better, that could have, you know, and it's never as sweet as I picture in my head. And it's, I think it's just like a perfection thing that you always strive for that you're never going to get to. But, um, but yeah, there are those times where things really took off. And when Jesse and I started traveling the world and you go from a van to

like a hotel room of your own and then a hotel suite to like, oh, hey, we got like, you know, sponsor rented out the whole floor. Everybody's here. We're doing these big dinners and these things. we weren't allowed to order soda at the mountain. You know, the salties. Like growing up. They were free. How old were both of you guys when you realized that, like, you could, that, like, what this did for your girl game? Oh, man.

Sorry, you, you broke up there. What? I think you, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think Jesse never really had a problem. Yeah. You were pretty smooth criminal. I had the red hair and the, like, Freckles and not like... I don't know, dude.

I was deep in the Elliot Smith, just like crying alone. But they were into that. Like, I'd go to a hotel room and black out the windows and then just write a poem about it. You drew this picture of me. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was pretty late bloomer on everything. I was, I was scared.

I was intimidated by talking to girls. And so, and the thing that I realized at one point is that, like, It dawned on me that they would approach me. And so I just had to go on defense and, like, just talk. But that was, I don't know. I don't even think I had, like, first kiss till I was, like, 18 or something. It was late. What?

Yeah, I was shy. I was pretty, like, I don't think 18. No, that's wrong. It was probably like 16 to 15. You were, yeah, we were just like. Oh, wait, wait, wait. No, Woodward happened. That happened.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was, that was, yeah. With a gymnast. But that, but then it didn't, yeah, but then it, then nothing, you know, like, I was too, I was too intimidated. And my, my, well, my buddy initiated that whole situation. So I just kind of, like, was a, I was like. You were a pawn.

I was helping. Yeah. Yeah, he had the, like, blonde hair and the blue eyes. He was from, you know, yeah, he was killing it. I was just like his buddy. And now look at you, the sexy beast. So, okay, so now you guys travel the world, and then what age did you go pro? I went pro at 13 and then started making money at 14.

That's when the first real big deal came through. And that's when things got very, very serious. I mean, I made some money here and there before that because my mom would drive us up to L.A. And I was a stunt double on a Disney show called The Jersey. and I was dropping that, huh Sean? Dropping your early work This is my early years

You guys aren't the only one that's been on the screen here You know, I've done my share But you know And so I had started this like savings account And I was familiar with like making money at the time But then I got this big deal when I was 14 And that's when if anybody thought we were kind of crazy We were like you guys are crazy

where we're really doing something special here because at that point I had this really bad crash with another vert skateboarder named Bob Burnquest and I I broke my hand, I broke my foot and I fractured my skull in one crash. It was like fourth grade, right? Like you were- Yeah, it was an MTV Sports and Music Festival. I think I was like a 10 or 11 years old. Jesus. And my mom was just, you know, they were devastated like, oh my God, how could this happen?

And we were doing a doubles routine on the ramp, which isn't something you normally do. And we got confused on our routine and we crashed. And so I get home and I got a cast on my arm and my leg. And the fracture in my skull put a hematoma on my forehead and the blood running around my forehead drained in my eyes. So these giant bloodshot black eyes and I pull up to school and the teacher just sees me and starts crying at the side of me because I look like I got in a car accident or something. and um which is very similar and uh and i get in in the classroom and looking at everybody and i'm like why is everybody so dressed up my buddy's hair was all combed and parted and he had a collared shirt on it was picture day i had no idea oh my god and still like i'm in the corner

of the class classic carmel valley elementary school like photo and it's an amazing picture but oh dude but but the community kind of turned on us slightly at that time because they're like you're letting your cardiac kid do these dangerous sports. Look at them. Just look at what happened. Look what your parenting got you. And it was like fun and games until that happened. And that's when we got closer as a family because we knew what we were doing was

really special. We knew that was like an isolated incident. And we took necessary precautions to be safe. I was wearing a helmet and I was riding, you know, within my abilities and stuff. And they didn't push me. And so anyways, but it became more difficult to, you know, be you know we didn't celebrate it as much it wasn't celebrated it was definitely like a battle we had to battle the school district and my parents never felt like they fit in at the pta meetings and stuff and we

were like really involved in the community my mom would go to all the meetings and stuff and and so then like the dynamic definitely changed in our neighborhood at that point but you guys became a stronger unit it sounds like right oh for sure yeah family really like like well if you guys are going to be against us then we don't really need you we just need us yeah and there's like there's such a culture around well what about the gold medal dude i mean was that is that number one i mean there's so many number ones i'm sure but yeah that that one man i was 19 it was 2006 i won i won the gold in terino um for the half pipe and uh it was nuts i mean that that was the moment that really like shines in my memory as the biggest kind of like hurdle we cleared as a family you know and that's

what it meant to me i got to the bottom i'm crying and my whole family's crying and it just dawned on me that the like the teachers that were like screaming at my parents for having me missed school at times and the you know the countless hours spent on the mountain and missing you know my sister loves nobody but stopped at a certain point and then they had to kind of divide the fans of like who's going to go with Sean up to the mountain and who's going to go to the soccer game or are we even going to go to the soccer game? Can she catch a ride with her friend? You know, it became what's the priority and so much sacrifice by not only myself, but every member of my family. And at that time, when I won, it was like, man, I didn't win like we won. We did it. We won. Like this crazy sport that everybody mocked us and everybody said it wasn't going to be anything. And, you know, I'm an Olympic medalist. And my mom said something to me. And she's like, you'll, you will forever be introduced as Sean White, the gold medalist. And forever, that title will follow you. And I didn't really understand how big the Olympics was.

Thank God, because I'd have been terrified until afterward, you know. And so that was an amazing moment for the whole family I felt like. Wow, man. And Jesse, yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. You know, helped out for that one. I want to hear it, Jesse, from your perspective, what was that like for you, watching? watching him achieve that?

It was a trip. I mean, so, you know, the same feelings, like we as a unit were all there. I was there. Our parents were up in the bleachers. Like, we have this communication system. So I would look at them. I'd give him the, like, the nod. And then, you know, me knowing Sean so while knowing how he snowboards, you know,

I was like there and I knew how he was going to do. And so we had this whole like moment where, you know, Sean had. come down, our parents like in the bleachers, rush through security, like, hop the fence. You know, it's a bunch of Italians. They're like, no, and like our parents are just like, out of the way, jump out.

They hop over the fence and we were all like there. And it became, you know, Sean, we haven't even really talked about it from my perspective, but like again, it was almost like we were back in the band. Like, it was just us. And it was really special. Like, those are just some of those memories that we all have.

something differently, but around that one moment, it was great. That's amazing. I got the chills. I'm tearing up. My nipples got hard. That's when I know. That's when I know. That's why we tell this story. That's when I know. It's like, classic story we tell. Oh, fuck.

And it's crazy when both of Oliver's nipples get hard. Yeah, usually it's so far apart. It's usually just one. Wow. I love that stuff so much. But Jesse, from your perspective, actually, because, you know, when Sean says this was a collective win. And you hear that a lot from athletes, but when I'm talking to Sean right

now, it feels like that's real. Like those, that really is flooding your mind. It's not just sort of hyperbole, right? This is really happening to you. On the flip side of that, though, Jesse, did you feel like this was part of your win as well? I mean, oh yeah. Like the, you know, Sean, Sean kind of talked about a little bit, but like us growing up in doing these sports, like there was definitely moments where like the neighborhood shuns you like everybody just tells you're crazy and that wasn't just a Sean that was all of us that was like our parents walking around and other parents being like you know there they are like this was this was not probably yeah high on marijuana yeah there's a trampoline again you know there there was money but it

wasn't like understood like it wasn't mainstream these sports like how they are today you know There's no Taco Bell deals at that time. And so that's how you made it. It's Taco Bell money, the double-decker money. Got that taco money. Yeah. And so, yeah, it definitely meant the same to all of us. I think, I think, I know Sean has the battle, like, I think we all shared in that

a bit. But you, you, you, you were doing all the, all the, you know, at this point now, there's like multiple signature lines of products and, like, and, and, and, you, And majority, you know, or at least, you know, four out of the five were best selling lines, you know, and Jesse was doing all of that. So, like, it was just a success on many levels. And then, and then you were, you know, you're technically were my coach at the time. Do you remember when I almost blew it? I fell in my qualifying run.

And I remember not being nervous. Like, I'll nail the next one. And you came up and you're like, what are you doing? Oh, my God. There's only one. It's like, I got it. And then you're like, well, you bet. like get up there and I was like and then I got on the chair and I was like holy shit he's right

what if I drag a hand or something like this this would because at this point I've aced every single I won every single qualifying event up to the Olympics and I'm like favored it to win it's all teed up and and I was like wow I let this idea of like wow what if I blow it right now I remember that I remember watching in my head and I was like oh my God and I luckily pulled through and and it all worked out for the best and and I won but yeah man like just the just the family's always been such a huge part of my life and we're still such a close group yeah um and it's all because it's nobody you know and I think my mom you know her her endless bragging finally had its its moment yeah oh yeah she she could not not tell anybody that I would I won the gold oh right

The UPS guy is dropping off the box. Oh, it's okay. It must be something from my son who won the gold. Oh, you dropped your pencil. She'd get the stakes for like half price. Oh, yeah. Oh, what is that a steak? Oh, my son who's an Olympic gold medalist, loves steak.

They just gave us this rib eye for, you know, like 25 cents. Because I told them you won the goal. Yeah. She really, like, she finds the angles to get the deals. It's pretty good. That's awesome. Very impressed. Yeah.

And so her bragging finally can. came in, well, not finally, she's just that old school. Like, she just gets along and goes and talks to people at it. You know, in this day and age, we, like, send the message and kind of maybe meet up. Never. No, I know. And so she's just that personality type. And so she was out bragging after the games in Torino and bought this, like, jacket.

She's like, this jacket, I can't believe it's $300. It's so expensive. It's ridiculous, like, complaining. And then she's like, but I guess I have to buy it. because my son won the goal. And she brags to this guy. And the guy's like, oh, who's your son? And she's like, oh, Sean White, you know.

And it turned out to be a guy named Charlie Ebersoll, who his father, Dick Ebersolls. Yeah, Dick Ebersol, right? Just he's the man. Out of nowhere, she comes back. She's like, I got us a flight on the NBC jet to go home. I'm like, what are you talking about? She's like, I met this guy, Charlie, something.

And like, his dad's like a pretty big deal at the game. So, like, we're going to go home with them. And so we ended, I'm like, really? Like, because we actually got to the Olympics and never thought of booking flights home. Right. And so we're like, there's no flights. Like, how are we getting out of here? And so that's how I ended up being the Ebersol family.

We all went on the plane home together with them. So her bragging really got us. It did. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, would you say your worst fall on the snowboard, at least in competition, was that face plant you did? Um,

I mean, it was the most, it looked gnarly as hell. I mean, that was, that's not the worst fall. It was pretty, it wasn't the most painful,

but it was the most like mentally scarring and jarring thing because it's my face. So I'm like looking in the mirror going, oh my God, what did I do? Like, I can take a beating

and have bruises on my side, you know, like something like that. But like when you look in the mirror, if you break something, it's like, unless it's a compliment, pound you know it's not like the bone sticking out

and you're looking at it going oh my god you know have you had one of those no thankfully you know I'm pretty you're pretty lucky John I've been dude I've made a whole career out of like being real lucky in my falls and yeah for sure I do that a lot and superstitious do you have any like you know you don't wear certain socks

or you have to wear certain socks or did you have any Jesse well I I read in my notes that you guys do like a little kiss, like a m on the lips before Oh, just besides the kiss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the kiss. Yeah. I mean, I was going to get there.

Thank you for bringing that up. Like a, m-mm. Like, mu. Love you, bro. Love you, bro. Yeah. And you got to hold it for a while, like, mm-mm-ma.

Yeah. Like, you make a little noise, yeah. Yeah. Sean, you were into the stakes for a while. I remember that. Mine got, mine, mine, I didn't have. them until mom started doing weird stuff and then she's superstitious and I got superstitious and so like I'd come back to the room and like all of my stuff is like out of the closet my bag's like completely packed

and I'm like man the like room service is to really go in the extra mile or they want me out like I don't know what's up and it happened again and again and I was like what's going on and my mom's like oh sorry like I sneak into your room and I fold up all your clothes and pack your entire bag so that you won't get injured and you'll be safe on the mountain and you'll win. I was like, what? But I won the last three events. So now I'm like, now I got to pack

my whole bag up before I can go ride. I'm like, oh my God. So like I had like favorite shirts. I had to pack my bag up or like for a while I had to like, I had to get in the bathtub and I had to like write out my run on the hotel stationery and then save it

in order for the like the run to come true. or like just little weird things you know but nothing nothing too bizarre and then like someone told us like yeah it's it's the best thing in the world

to have a have a stake before you compete and I was like really so we tried it and I won the next day so that just became this thing of like oh I have to have some sort of like steak or something the night yet just the night before and oddly enough I didn't I didn't have one in Russia when I lost so

I blame the steak. Jesse, you're a brand. You're a brand director? Yeah, yeah. So long, weird journey, but started really with Sean. Like, moving, when Sean got the opportunity to have like a clothing line, you know, it was just something that we naturally, like, was able to pick up. And so really just was fortunate how.

You know, how Sean had that place of growing up with Snow Summit, and we had that whole story. For me, there was some similarities as well. Working with Burton's snowboards at the time was, like, such a great opportunity to also, like, learn how to design clothing. And so took that and started drawing and then making something. So we made a boot and it did really well. And mind you, I'm like teaching myself all of this. It's like how to design for dummies. So it was just like real half hazard and like just, whew.

And so ultimately, like, kind of got a little bit better at that. And, you know, that's just been my passion. That's just been where... You had great ideas about everything. I mean, like, when... So, when he says boot, like, they were like, hey, we want to do a Sean White series pro model snowboard boot. I'm like, that's cool.

But, like, what's it going to look like? And I'm like, Jesse, help me. And he's like, okay, well, like, I've been seeing these things in these, like, high fashion magazines. Like, Chanel had this, like, quilted puff sort of print that they were using on their bags. He's like, what if we took this, did something similar and put it on like the panels of the boot? And like the thing like sold out within minutes at the trade show and it became this, we re-released it. It sold out again. And then

they're like, let's try a helmet. He had these really cool drawings that he did for the helmet. And then it and then it kind of went from there. But as things grew, you know, I was getting, you know, with success, we got more items and eventually clothing outerwear line with Burton and And then from there, it got deeper. Remember when like, I mean, we started going like, you know what? Like your ads are all right. But like we want to, I started getting in my contracts like control over the visuals and, and the way I'm used in the ads.

And then so Jesse from from the beginning we were doing, not only were you shooting the photos, then we were like coming up with the ad concepts and the product development and every single thing in between. So that was like the early stages of us like. and myself as well like learning to design and learning how you know samples get made in the process of the whole thing um yeah but you know you you you always amazed me because like i i would get stumped all the time but he he was just this fountain of new ideas and uh i think we were like we were so young you know like we were like too young not to know any better which is like

that awesome place to be and i think we just always had that like you know, there was the way to do things and then there's the way to like not do things, but that way really never made sense anyways, you know, it's like, why would I not do that? Like, just because you said so you know, I think that was also half the fun

and I mean, Sean, we both still are, you know, to a degree like this a lot actually. And so you know, we would just take that opportunity to really like, like just mess with everybody. Like it was a great time. Yeah. And like no parents, no rules. Just kind of like

the ability to create it was fun were you guys the first to wear like the skin tight snowboard pants did you bust that out first that was me at X games at one point I like these questions

these are great questions so the way the way that that happened was the real story is that we put like at that point we had all these designs and some of them like skewed more you know to like hey, this is a really great design, but it's not really for the line. And we had all these stockpile designs. And with all this success, and a lot of, a lot of females were actually riding, you know, women were buying my pro model board and the smaller sizes because I had a lot of fans. And they're like, why don't we come out with a women's line as well? So there was the men's and women's line. And then with the women's line came like these like tighter, stretchier pants. And at one point, we were joking around. I had the idea. I was like, I should come

out as Shana or whatever Roxana. We had a lot of ideas. They were all great. We had a lot of ideas. And like we should make up this character and she's because I had no way to promote

the line because I didn't wear the women's stuff. And so I was like, why don't we come up with this character? It's this young, this ripping girl. No one's ever seen her. Heard of her. Seen her face. But she kills it.

And she and I put on all the women's clothing. And when I did, I was like, man these pants are actually like these are pretty nice yeah these are pretty good and uh we had like a leather jacket in the men's line i was like dude i should go tight pants leather jacket to the next event and um i was like nope nope yeah he said don't do it i was really into rock and roll at x games i got really into playing guitar and rock music and like all my heroes wore like tight jeans and the whole deal. So my off-hill persona

didn't really meet my on-hill until that point. So I had like the long hair. I played guitar and I like snowboarded it in what I wore off the mountain. So that's how that kind of came about.

So if Jesse was in his room listening to Elliot Smith and Death Cab for Cutie, who were you listening to? Oh my God. I was in love with Led Zeppelin. So you were like classic rock. Yeah.

Yeah. Like everything that my dad listened to in the car that I just didn't get it. I was like, what is? I don't get it. You know, I didn't really dig music until I played guitar at like around 16. And the only introduction to music I had

was like, you know, movies like Greece and the Blues Brothers and stuff. And so, um... And Willie Wanda. I mean, that's a round out. Yeah, that's the jazz. So... So...

Have been so fast. The hips don't live. Um... So you play, but you still play. You're really passionate about it. music. I do. Yeah, I love I love playing guitar and it's it's been one of those things like it's kind of like speaking to language. You know, you can go play with other people and what kind of, you know, like what kind of guitar do you use that kind of determines what kind of style of music you're probably into and what

your passions and stuff. And so on this on this on this lie like that's what was driving everything though. Even in the designs, I mean, Jesse'd be like, what bands are we into right now? Like what are they doing and how can we like add that into the designs of the clothing that we're making? or the style of ad that we're doing or things that kind of like go along with my lifestyle and stuff that we're into. So that was like a big source of inspiration for everything. What about the younger snowboarders?

Are there any that you look at and go, okay, well, that's the guy to beat now? Or are you still the guy to beat? It's really strange. I mean, it's like ever since I've been in this, you know, pro in the sports, since I was like 13, it's just been a changing of the guard.

There's always like somebody new that kind of comes in. in and they either like take the spotlight for a minute and then seem to have trouble holding it or you know there's a lot of things that go on just in life in general that like pull your attention or you're on the streak and you finally got the limelight but with the limelight comes like sponsorship and with sponsorship comes you know obligations to do shoots and an expectation to win and there's so many factors and things that like can weigh on somebody that like you know say you were the like oh lucky guy like I hope I win and you don't have a character

in the world and you're like, cool, I'm going to do it. And you start winning and it's great. And then all of a sudden there's this expectation to win and you're not used to that. Like it can crumble you. And then you start that slow decay of like losing an event. And you're like, oh, whatever. Maybe that was a one off. And then you lose the next one.

Your sponsors are like, wait a minute, was this the right guy? You know, it's just a lot can happen. Or you start making money and you start partying. I mean, there's a lot of, unfortunately, those are side effects of what can happen with, you know, certain fame and I'm sure in many different professions you see maybe somebody snag a big role and they're like dude I made it I'm a I'm a superhero in this movie and you're like uh you know what I'm Jesse why do you think why do you think Sean has sustained like from your perspective how is how has he remained it's funny as Sean as you were talking about the skateboarding I think it's because

like Sean's a planner like whether you want to admit it or not like he's just like a real planner sets the goals you know he had talked about early when he was young and writing out his his runs and Sean I remember doing that with you you know like we would sit there and and you would write it out and then practice and like that would be it and it's always about like always including a new trick and always thinking about like the future and step ahead yeah yeah and that's like you know that's not like a common you know I think a lot of people plan but then they have a hard time following through you know a lot of people like pick up a language and then kind of like quit halfway through and I think Sean one of your

superpowers for real is is just that ability to like grind it out and like really put in the work and so I mean Sean's had a pretty long career at this point you know I think there's been I mean a couple waves of like new kids coming through and Sean you've you've really competed against everybody at this point yeah it was it was very unnerving this last time around because they were like, I'm so used to showing up at events and they're like, the youngest competitor, Sean White's coming in. And they're like, the oldest competitor.

I was like, oh, my God. Like, uh, shit. Cool. I was like, okay. And like, I'm at the Olympics and, and, uh, you know, I get off the chair and there's this guy that I used to compete with. And he kind of like, oh, what's up? He's like, oh, I'm here.

I'm a coach now. I do this for this team. I've been doing that for a couple years. I got a kid. And I, you know, I was like, oh, wow, he's like, what are you doing? I was like, I kind of look at my bib. I was like, I'm still at it. I'm still giving it.

You know, I guess, I guess it's the perfect lead into, you know, when, when does it, when do you feel like it might be over? And what might be next for the two of you, you know? Yeah. I mean, I'm so pumped for Jesse's next chapter. I mean, newborn baby boy, Teddy. Teodor. Teanor White. Team money.

He's awesome. I mean, I just, I just, I love being an uncle. I'm so pumped at having the family grow and it's making me very, I never really thought of like, in my wildest wanting to have kids and now having my siblings, my sister as well, just had a baby girl. And it's just so awesome. And it's just so, so great to have the family around. It's giving you a little itch or a little, like, a little moment of thinking, like, oh, maybe I do want a family at some point. And I feel like I'm jealous a little bit because I feel left out a little.

Like, there was this, you know, like, do you have the favoritism in the family where, like, all of a sudden, like, my sister, Carrie and I would be, like, really close. And then Jesse and I started traveling together. We were close as she was left out. And then all of a sudden, like, Jesse went off to do this. And, and then we're back together doing our, you know, like, we kind of had these clicks and things. And now, like, they're together with their kids and talking about, like, oh, well, you know, soccer season's coming up. Cool baby stuff.

Yeah. Like, oh, yeah, you got the jumpy castle. Oh, we got the. Oh, we got the jumpy castle. We went springy, spring turtle, and I'm just sitting there like, I don't know. I had it. You know. Like, I felt like I connected with you guys.

once. Yeah. I've already been yelled at by my sister like three or four times. Jesse's thankfully never done it but she's like, you don't understand because you don't have kids. She has not.

Oh, dude, four times already. Like, you don't get it. They have to sleep at this time or it's the world's over. I was like, oh my God. Can I watch Jack Ryan in the living room? That baby wakes up. I was just like, dude. It's the last.

episode. What's he going to do? What's you going to happen? So it's definitely been wild. I mean, for me, competitively, like, I don't know, I'm excited. I'm kind of like taking it one day at a time. And honestly, this spring I was planning on. I mean, just like everybody else's plans that kind of flew away with all this craziness. And I'm thankful to have my health and my family's health. But, you know, I was planning on going in deep and doing a lot of spring riding and seeing where that was. would put me in contention to ride next season.

So I'll definitely be dipping in a toe next season, I think, in possibly some events. I just kind of have to see how everything plays out in the world and where we end up. You know, so skating's not really a focal point anymore. So nobody definitely is. And I think I'm just like a happier guy right now. Like, I love the family vibes.

I think a lot of pressure was taken off me with this last Olympic win. And now I'm just enjoying, you know, I'm in my 30s. and I'm just like really enjoying everything. I'm not so stressed and I'm loving this kind of moment in my life. So it's been great. All right. Let's do the speed round. Oh, man.

One word to describe the other. Go, Jesse. Redhead. Redhead. Super. I would say creative. Yeah? Yeah.

I think you're incredibly creative. When I think of you, I think of like, oh, that guy's got ideas. that guy has got ideas he's on he's he's he's drawing things and only pastels like he's doing he's up to something yeah yeah uh i mean for you sean like i mean really you this isn't very speed wait so it's called speed round you can take it's called speed round right slow round I mean honestly like I just I don't really have a word I just feel like it's just like loving like I just I see how much you give to to like the people around you and then also to our family like how much time you spend you know thinking about thinking about everyone that's close to you and like I see how you are with Teddy and with Charlie and our parents and I would like you have a huge heart and so I'm going to lean into that one good thank you very I love you Who's funnier? Oh, Sean.

Am I? I mean, I'm crazier. Am I funnier, though? You're pretty funny. You've got the rep, you've got, like, just a long repertoire of, like, movie quotes and, like, the, you got it. You got, like, a solid list, I will say. It's a close tie, though. I would say, if I'm winning, it's by a little.

Yeah. Who got in the most trouble as a kid? I mean, legal trouble? Yeah, Redhead, for sure. Sean, yeah, the car The fire extinguisher. The pulling the e-break on the icy road. Oh, my God.

Oh, my dad was driving. Yeah, that was a solid call. He had to dig the car out with the snowboard that I won. And, Sean, why did you pull the e-break? Sean, why would you do that? Why did you pull the e-break? Because we rented, we rented all those Saturns because they'd only rent you, they'd only give you, they wouldn't give you anything four-wheel drive because you weren't old enough. And you have to be like 25 to rent a car like and get a nice car. So we get these like, not that Saturn's not, it was a wonderful car. But, you know, it wasn't like a four-wheel drive truck or something. And they had the e-break. And Jesse's like ripping around, you know, like he's like, I lived in Tahoe. Check this out. We'd like Tokyo drift every corner. So, like, I just think, like, oh, cool, like, my dad's going to love this.

And I pulled the e-break on him. And he's like, oh, my mother of God. He starts sliding into a ditch. And I'm like, yeah. Like, this is awesome. It's like, what the hell are you thinking? Oh, my God. Who's a better surfer?

I don't think you surf as much as I do. Yeah, but I'm naturally talented. Naturally, it's more gifted. Yeah, like Aquaman, but on board. Yes. So there is that as well. I think we're similar. I think out of all of my board sports,

I'm maybe the least talented on a surfboard. But I feel like I can handle my own still. Yeah, I think we still got it. I mean, we still got it. You may have ping pong. I think I have. Who's more competitive? Oh, John.

You win that one. You got to be sure. I mean, that is like. you don't play we don't play board games like we stopped that years ago yeah oh you like clear a room

you're one of those who like oh he's one of them like super annoying but also you gotta know like our dad is actually the worst like Rodge would hold a grudge

like you'll get over it after a day but Raj would be like three days I just turn it into fuel for the next time how about first celebrity crush sure first

Dora the Explorer show yeah where were you at Pokemon? It was fine. Do cartoons count? Yes, of course, Jessica Rabbit. Wasn't it like, who is it from Clueless?

Like Alicia Silverstone? Oh, yeah, yes. That was a good one. That was like a... Actually, we could go doubles on that. I mean, as odd as it sounds, that was probably mine as well. I liked her. Because she had those Aerosmith music videos.

Yeah, crazy. Yeah, I like that. She was so cute. And then what was your first, like, real crush? Real crush? Oh, man. I was like head over heels for this like Australian snowboarder girl she like showed up on the scene out of nowhere

like beautiful blonde and blue blue eyes and I remember like it was a shocker because there wasn't you know what I mean there were there were pretty girls that would come and ride on the mountain but it wasn't like you know you're so covered up by all this equipment and you didn't see what anybody really looked like and in the mountains of these giant jackets on and stuff

and she kind of like came from sunny Australia and was like, you know, like this new girl on the scene and I was like, whoa. And that started my like, all right, I got to get some courage here. This one, it's too much. I got to do something about it. So I remember like pursuing her.

What about you, Jesse? Big crush. I'm imagining Sean, you're like, I'm going to spray you. Like you just like, with some snow. No, there's in my situation.

Oh my God, I sprayed so many guys with snow. That was like a move, right? That was like the move. That was so the move. That's the best move.

Moment ever. She fell really hard. Well, at least I thought this was a great moment. She fell really hard and when we were riding down the mountain together. I was like,

oh, I'll fall you down. And like, you know, along with all the other dudes. And she fell and she hit her. She wasn't wearing her. gloves and she hit her hand on the edge of the board and her fingers were like bleeding and we were up at mount hood uh in oregon and i like kicked into survival mode and like took my shirt off and like wrapped

her hand so beyond unnecessary she's like no it's just it's a tiny kind literally i'm gonna be okay why is your shirt off let me help you with that he's like creating like a yeah he created like a harness to, like, carry her down. She's like, I really don't need this. Like, the bodyguard. I was like, I got this. Carried her out of that. Yeah.

That's really funny. That was my big moment. Jesse, I want to know about your first crush. It was way younger, Ramona, in, like, the third grade. Oh, we're talking early? Whoa, we're talking young on this one. And she had that, like, Darya-style haircut, you know, like a straight bang. And it was short, like kind of nerdy.

and I do remember I made her like the just the killer Valentine just shaded that heart you know like real good like crafted it the candy cream yeah like set it in the perfect god you were just like a little emotional poet from the beginning from the early day yeah just setting yourself up for the heartbreak right out of the bath it was a it was a tough one dropped it in the paper bag you know we all anonymously dropped it yeah watchster watched her oh open it from afar and then just be like whatever and just like toss it to the side

okay who's more responsible I mean yeah that's me all day who's the better dancer I mean we have some moves dancing they're dance moves what we do is move we do little like

you know jingles we do little steps here there there's no like actual it doesn't look good it doesn't look back. It's not good. Yeah. It's maybe Jesse, I would say. Who's the survivalist? It actually, I like this for a whole family. Like, who in your family, when the shit goes down, does everybody turn to?

Or what? Like, Rodgers are not. Like, dad is not, dad. No, you'd be like, just burn it. Just burn it. Burn it. Burn it. burn it we'll need fire just burn it just burn everything um i don't know i think i would handle my own pretty well like so if you guys you guys get lost in the wilderness everyone says okay sean like what oh no heck no no no it's me it's me it's me yeah there's no question about that no one no

there's no pretending here let's we can eat the bark we can eat the bark and survive Sean you ate all the food you ate all the food immediately why would you do that why would you eat everything and leave all the sweaters behind like why did you do any of that yeah no I am I am the responsible yeah I that that is my role without a doubt yeah All right. So we wrap it up with the final? Two things. The first is, what is one thing that you would alleviate from your sibling, something that you would want to kind of ease for them that would make their life better or easier or what have you? And then the second one is, what is something that you would love to emulate? Something that they have a quality that inspires you or something that you wish, you had it in yourself.

I mean, Sean, I'll go first. I think for you, the, you know, the ability to just, like, decompress. I know, like, you know, the thing with Sean is, like, there's so much motivation and there's so much desire. But that's also, like, a double-edged sword. So the ability for you to, like, find time to just, you know, turn it off would be, I think, just a gift I would give to you for sure. And then the second question was what I could emulate. Yeah, what you would take from Sean that you wish you had. Yeah, right.

And in that instance, Sean, I really, like, I admire your strength on the other side. Not just like physical, but also just like what you can handle and what you can put on your shoulders and like focus and be able. to take all that way and still do what you do um like not just on the snowboard but just like in life i think it's just very admirable thank you no i i i it's funny hearing you say that because i literally i was sitting right when they asked the question i was like what would i take from jesse and it's kind of your ability to i mean you just kind of seem to like always make whatever situation you're in a really positive and wonderful one like you're always you know seem very content with like oh i'm here today doing this with my family or i'm i'm gonna i'm gonna set this this thing and do it and just be

super content with it and kind of like enjoying those moments you know where i'm always like looking for that next thing you know i always i always kind of stir on on what i have instead of just fully enjoying it and in your and you're caringness for others you know like i just feel like you're always the one in the family that's like, you know, I love the family deeply, but you've always, you know, you're the oldest, well, not the oldest compared to Jessica, but within our family growing up together. And you always had that kind of like that, that love for all of us that really shown through as the oldest. And you kind of like took the lead on those things. And I would love to be able to like emulate that and have that. And then, oh, wait, are we,

I started with what I... That's okay. Yeah, that's fine. Then the things that you would take, the things that you would, something that you would alleviate from him. It's hard. As the outside,

as, you know, I'm not, I'm not with you every day, with the family, you know, but just like, you seem to kind of have it all.

So I don't know what I can take from. You seem like you're in a very, you know, and I know the grass is greener, but it just seems like you got such a really, a wonderful thing going. And I don't know. I just love to really.

to relieve any sort of like, I don't know, family worry or stress that you have. I know you, you know, you got a lot on your shoulders with like the family in your career. And if I could, you know, if I could take that away and have you just feeling completely, you know, like, oh, everything's just, you know, great, great, great. But I don't know. From the outside looking in, it looks pretty, pretty wonderful. Jesse, you're perfect. Yeah, right.

You know. I appreciate that, Sean. What was your guys, if you don't mind me asking? Mine for Oliver was, to me, would be to alleviate any, his fear or anxiety. That, you know, that he, to have the, like, ultimate confidence and knowing that he belongs where he is and that he deserves where he is. And that he, that he, that just to take that. fear factor away from it. And then what I would want to emulate is

funny because it's similar he has, where he is fearless is in his sort of self-deprecation, it's humor, his wit. And I love how expressive he is in that. It just makes me laugh and it's so warm and it's so fun to be around. And, you know, that

that little bit of self-deprecation i just i think it's funny because what you what you wish i had is what i wish that i had from you which is that you know ultimate confidence in yourself you know knowing that you're in the place that you're supposed to be in and your drive you know what i mean you your ability to want something and go after it and accomplish it you know there's a lot that I want. There's a lot of ideas. I have amazing ideas. I'm very creative. Um, but I get, I get stopped. I stop myself short. I get overwhelmed by the process sometimes and then quit, you know. So that's what I wish that I had of Kate's. And then what I would take away is probably, um,

I just wish that you sometimes could just not have so many things to do and to be able to just be quiet and enjoy the moment a little bit more, not worry about what's going to happen and not worry about what has happened, but to just stay right in that pocket. And you do do that, but for extended periods of time, you know. Thank you for asking that, Sean, because I think it's like, I think we've, we've gotten somewhere, you know. I like that. Okay, you guys, this is awesome.

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