Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Slam Dunk with Brenda Song (Part 2)

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

Brenda Song talks Netflix and nuptials! From planning a wedding with Macaulay Culkin, to FaceTiming Goldie…Brenda is calling the shots in her personal and professional life. Plus, why the show “Running Point” combines both her passions, her hot take on the Lakers trade, and a surprising confession from Oliver about getting ghosted!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's good. Welcome to part two of Brenda Song. Ali, I'm so excited to talk, to have talked to Brenda about this, about our show and like our relationship on the show and also her. childhood because it's just fascinating. Like, child actor life is a whole other thing. Yeah, I mean, we made this into two parts, but it could have been four because there's so much to dive into.

Brenda, it's like she's one of those people that she gets going and it's just the best. Like, she's hilarious and filled with enthusiasm. And I just love her so much and her life story is pretty awesome. So enjoy. Part two, part two. Brenda, we need to go into. to some of your childhood. Okay.

Because that's what our show is all about. Great. And so let's move off of the inflection. And let's, you were born and raised in Los Angeles. I was born up north in Sacramento, but I, in Carmichael, to be specific. But I've lived in L.A. since I was five. And what brought your family to Los Angeles? So you, I mean, I don't even think.

think you know this. So it was me, me being an, me acting. It was for my birthday, my fifth birthday that I wanted, everyone talks about like coming to L.A. and we came out with another girl. So I'm going to tell you like the quickest, like how I became an actor, because that's how it came to L.A. So I grew up watching Star Search. I loved it. I would always pretend like I was a model. I wanted to be Cindy Crawford coming out of her red labyrinth. And I was in the Arden Fair Mall when I was three years old. And my mom had me really young. She had me at 16. So she was really young, and my mom was at a kiosk in the middle of the mall. They're doing like, you know, one of those like modeling agencies like model search.

And I was watching and doing like my modeling walk. And of course, someone came over, give my mom all the info. But we had no money. My dad was, you know, it's still in school. My mom was so young. They were both refugees. And so great. My mom took the info.

I was like, okay, cool. Didn't even think about it. But I was like modeling school. And I didn't shut up about it. Chakra at three years old. I didn't like, I was talking. already. And so I just kept talking about this school. A few weeks later, I got really, really sick and I wouldn't take my medicine. And so my mom was like, okay, fine, if you take your medicine,

we'll take you to this modeling school. And especially now being a parent, I realized like she was just straight up lying, like you do anything, you say anything to get your kids to take their medicine or to do whatever. So I took my medicine and my mom didn't think anything about it because she's like she's a kid. I never shut up about it. And my grandma, who was a housekeeper at the time, took everything out of her savings, which was $527, and took me to this modeling school that wasn't legit. But through them, I somehow met a real agent in San Francisco and sort of like started auditioning. And my mom had no idea what she was doing, but my mom knew that she wanted to sort of break out of this kind of a roberous cycle of, you know, getting married young,

living in this like, you know, very small community and not kind of just breaking out of that. So I kind of started auditioning. My very first, like, commercial audition was for Little Caesar's Pizza, and they brought me in. Pizza, pizza. Yeah, exactly. And they brought me with a bunch of kids. And all the kids came back out. And my mom was like, wait, where's my daughter?

And the casting director, like, brought her, like, told her to come in. And she came in, and they had asked all the kids, like, does anyone know how to read? And I had raised my hand. And I was like, me. And before they could give me sides, I started reciting the one book I knew, which is Mr. fubble's like horrible day out my grandma had taken a someone had left it in one of the hotel room so she brought it to me and I memorized this book so I was in there like reading them this book and I booked this commercial and I'm in doing I'm doing the running man next to the little

Caesar's pizza puppet and that's how it sort of started and then when I I was just kind of auditioning and everyone talks about coming to L.A. So I came with another little girl for my fifth birthday and you know my agent had had a meeting set up with this very tiny little agent that she was friends with. And I came out, just like, sure, I'll take you on. This little, like, Asian girl who was, like, way too, like, excited to be acting. And then that girl had a cattle call for a commercial afterwards. And so she went and we were in the car and it was really hot. So my mom took me behind the building to play with my dolls. And the casting director came out to have a smoke, saw me, brought me in, and I booked the commercial somehow. And so

we used to just drive from Sacramento to LA, like whenever I had auditions. And we didn't move out here until I booked my first show when I was nine. And that's sort of how it came to be. And I was also really lucky. I was also like really weird. I was that kid like by the door with my portfolio ready to go. My mom had, I have younger siblings. So she was always running around with them. And like I would go in and sign myself in and fill out my paper. She's like, as long as I can see you. And my mom just a couple years ago was like, I'm so sorry. I like never read lines with you. was I not supportive? Because this was very much an after-school activity for me. Like, when I, a lot of kids at that time, like, they would get, you know, prizes for going to

auditions. I was, no, no, the auditions were my prize. Like, I was, I loved it so much, but my mom treated it as the same way she did with, like, Taekwondo or ballet. And so it didn't even become a career until I was a little bit older when I was like 15. And I booked the kid show that I was on and got into college. Yeah, what was the big show? It was called The Sweet Life of Zach and Cody. It was a TV channel show. That's right. And so, and that's when it's sort of, you know, at the time, my parents kind of sat me down and were like, here's the thing.

If you want to go to college, you go to college to sort of figure out what you want to do. But if you want to continue acting, you have an amazing opportunity to do it. But if you do do that, it has to sort of be a career. It has to become your career. Mom and dad can't take you anywhere. Your brothers are in school. And so that's when I think I sort of looked at acting with a different set of eyes because I was, you know, driving myself to work. and, you know, seeing this more than just something fun to do after school.

How old were you? I was, I did the pilot when I was 15 and 16 when the show started. We did the show from 16 to 22. Were you like, did you, were you emancipated or were you able to? No, I was, I was so lucky because I was still able to do school because I was also such a nerd. I graduated high school early and because I was on a kid's show, they still had a tutor for me because the boys, the two twin boys were so young that they had a tutor. So I was still able to do college courses through online college courses. I still had a tutor.

So it was really nice. Like they still allowed me to have that time to get my second, my, you know, higher education. But yeah, it was honestly, it was really great. Like, yes, I was very sheltered because I really, I grew up on a set. I remember I didn't go to my first, like, house party until I was like 20, 21, 22. And the first time I saw pot, I thought it was pot and tried to throw it away. I was like, why would anyone leave out? Like, I'm thinking of like 90s popery.

And I'm like, this smells terrible. And they're like, Brenda, what are you doing? And I was like, I just had no concept of what pot was. And I then that was a moment I realized I was like, oh, I'm very sheltered. Like I haven't lived, I haven't like, I don't have any life experience. I've lived the work life of a 30-year-old woman since I was so young. But what about your siblings? Did your siblings kind of even that out?

I mean, a thousand percent. I always say that my brothers drove me, except two younger brothers, one that is two years younger than me, and one that is seven years younger. They drove me insane, but they kept me sane. It's like, you know, your siblings. They keep it real all the time. Like, I used to, I like can really laugh about it now, but I was like butt hurt when I was younger.

My brothers used to not, especially when I was on the show, my brothers didn't tell, wouldn't tell anybody that I was their, like, sibling. They'd be like, their friends would come over and see a picture of, like, oh, that's my cousin. I was like, how dare you? But I didn't realize that they were just so protective. And I was like, they were just protective of me.

me. And I'm so grateful because, you know, I feel like your siblings and your family, they're the constant. They will, they're the one that keep you grounded. I feel like my life would not be. And I wouldn't be the person I am if I didn't have my family's support, their guidance. And also them keeping it real. Like, I feel like no one humbles you more than family. No one keeps you sane and drives you insane like family. When you met Mack, did you, was this one of the things you guys like really connected on was like being childhood, child actors? You know, it's like, it's like, It wasn't one of the first things we sort of connected on, but I think there was sort of this unspoken, like, understanding that we've had for, like, certain trauma that we both share,

that we didn't even quite realize that, oh, this stems from us being child actors, certain anxieties or stressors or even triggers, that you don't realize, you don't realize, like, as a kid, how much that affects you as an adult. And when we first met, I mean, obviously, we have very different experiences. He's like, he was the most famous child actor in the world. and it's like it's fascinating and I think it's been more interesting as like when we were starting to get to know each other is how different our experiences were but also how that impacted how we look at our like our relationship with the industry now how he looks at it and how I look at

it I always say like I've been in this business for 33 years and I still love it something must be wrong with me you know I'm like I'm like I must be beyond psychotic to still love this you know are this medium so much um and so yeah no no I think it's also been really nice though to have someone who truly just really under I he never I never like have to question any he never questions like he gets it he gets what I do on a different kind of level um and it's been so nice I've never had that before he was the first boy I brought home was your first boyfriend though an actor no I had never dated another actor before never because because because this was your life such a young age that it's like, oh, you're around this.

You know what I mean? Like, boys. I was, no, I was such a late bloomer. It's the thing is I was not like, I was the opposite of Kate. I was not a cool girl. I was like, I was such a little nerd who like sat at home. I, because, you know, working so much as a kid, I just, like, I loved being home so much. I'm such a homebody.

And I just was a late bloomer, to be honest. Like, I didn't, wasn't, like, crazy into boys. like my very first, like, boyfriend was, like, my best friend who then we just started, like, I guess this was what we do because everyone else is dating. And then, of course, that was so terrible because we were best friends. Mac was, like, the first person that, like, I spent my family, like, Christmas with my family. Like, the first person that I really brought home, which is crazy because that didn't happen until I was, you know, almost 30.

But, you know, it's working out so far. So far, so good. So far, so good. Kate knows. Kate knows far too much about our relationship. So I see her just like quietly. I know lots. Listen, everybody has, when you're girls, no matter how wonderful the relationship is, there's always things that happen on a day-to-day basis that you drive you nuts.

And so we would go to work and be like, oh, my God. Branda and I would sit and just could talk for hours about like kids and the dynamics. and oh believe me i like one of the funny things is like like oliver it's funny because i felt like i heard your name so which his kid would be like oh my god she like she talks about you just as much as she does danny in the best way possible love you danny but it was like for me it's the same way that i feel about my brothers like my brother who's two years younger than me we he's become my best friend like his daughters are very close to my kids age so we see each other all the time he's my best friend um and that relationship sort of happens

like in our teenage years, like we fought like cats and dogs because I wanted to hug and kiss my little brother and then all of a sudden I realized I was like oh no we are like best friends

he's the person that I you know he'll text me in the middle of the night be like hey you awake like he's like I'm and we will talk for hours you know and I don't get text like that I get high memes yeah all he gets high

and just sends me a meme no usually I get when I get super blaze he'll send me a song it's music it's music he gets high listens to music and then I know like it'll be like it'll be like 1130 at night like midnight and honestly like ding it's like

Ollie I'm like uh he's sounding his son's like some weird like duo these two like weirdos like making music from their nose and I'm like how sick he's like this is fucking genius I'm like you got to listen I'm like this is so high right because I feel like we've gotten like we've seen that the next morning which like oh my God Ollie sent this to me yesterday or whatever like it was

really funny. I felt like I knew you. I remember seeing you at your parents' charity gala and feeling like I knew you because of your relationship with Kate. And that's like, and I love that so much. But I felt like you were scared because I was like, hi, Oliver. And you're like, hi. You're like, too excited. I was like, I feel like I know you. Right. Right. You know, it's fun because we have a family affair, big chat. But then there's certain specific things that are so Kate, and I'm like, oh, I got to send this to her. It's usually like weird music stuff or something very like sad and emotional. Oh, my God.

That's like what I sent Oliver the other day. I was like, oh, Oliver's going to lose it. It was because I saw it, it came up on my feet and it was just like, it literally made me, I was like, there are just amazing humans in the world. And it's this doctor who dresses his kids up as superheroes before they go into surgery. Yeah. And I sent it to Oliver. I was like, I can't.

He makes some superheroes and they put capes on them and, you know, they're flying through the thing. No, don't get me there. No, Kate would, like, she would, because I think your algorithm knows that that's what you're in. I do so many times you'd be honest. She's like, hold on a sec, you have to. I was like, Kate, we can't cry right before we're about to go do this, like, comedic scene. And she would show you, like, some, like, baby animal doing something. I'm like, I can't.

I can't. Yeah. I know my algorithm is filled with emotional, like. Oh, my algorithm is so weird. It's like fishing, like emotional children's stories and then like huge boobs every once in a while. You know what I mean? I'm like, I actually think it's a really funny thing to do with your friends is to just make everyone at one moment be like, okay, what's your algorithm? Like, I want to see it right now.

Yeah, a screenshot of your algorithm. What is it? Oh, my God. It's so funny because mine is like before and afters. I have a million before. and afters like like there's like threads you know and like i am like so shallow and vain in my algorithm i'm really i can show you mine right now mine is just sports like that is my god oh that's the best mine is so sad it is literally basketball like the rams and lakers that's my algorithm oh my god

that's so funny because you can change your you can change your friends algorithms and that's what happens to me. If I just keep sending you something, you keep opening it, it's going to change. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. That's what's happened. That's what happens. Because when your guy, when your friend sends you some like, girls, some kegles, or whatever, some kegles, you're like, you click on the kegles and you're like, oh, look. And then another kegill comes up. You're like, I guess I'll check this keegel out. And then before you know it, you're like neck deep in keegals. Then I feel like my algorithm should be different. I feel like they're trying to push all these things on me

that it doesn't really represent you my young. Well, I will say this. I'm also not on social a lot. Like, that's one of the things that I said. I used to always be like, oh,

I'm just like, it's my generation. I'm not. But Kate is so good at being, like, present on social, but not letting it inhibit your, like, everyday life.

You're, like, onset in the moment, but yet you're still able to be, like, you know, you have a great social media presence, even though you're still, like, living your everyday life.

well i just oh see it's all before and afters it's like crazy like i don't even know it's just so many before and afters before and after what the houses it's like it's like facial massage yeah no like like like cosmetic surgery or like oh yes i've got boobs and then fish because i've like these japanese men cutting huge tuna because i love to I love to fish and I love cooking fish and I love watching them filet because it's just like, I don't know. It's fascinating. I'm embarrassed. And then all of a sudden it's like fish and boobs.

Maybe that's my. And kegles. I'm just vanity and disaster. That's all this is. It's like people. That's funny. You know, we have sons of cakes. You know, vanity and disasters.

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Listen to Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You really is Lakers Rams. Yeah, no, I'm telling you, like, I have a real obsession. Like, I really only use social media for work. And if I'm ever on anything, the only rabbit holes that I go down are usually sport rabbit holes. And so that's probably why my algorithm is that way, because all of a sudden I'm like,

oh my gosh, wait, Cooper Cup is talking about getting traded and then I go down the deep hole. And then I really try hard to stay up social media because I realize that there's so many other things that I need to be doing with my spare time. And I have such an addictive personality that if I start, I would be... I'm so much like you. It's crazy. I have two things to say. Number one, Cooper Cup.

I woke up this morning and thought Cooper Cup, because I'm a big football fan. Kate and I are Broncos fan. I had this premonition and he's going to go to the Broncos, which I think would be a really good story. Yeah, that would be. Oliver. Number one.

Number two, I've been reading about this sort of dopamine, how, you know, we don't earn our dopamine anymore because it's so accessible as far as clicking and scrolling and, you know, it's just constant. And it puts you into this hole,

especially if you are prone or have ADHD. It can just send you into this crazy place. And upon reflection, I am in a massive dopamine insane place. I need to start earning my dopamine again. And I started this morning by doing what my sister said, which is not going on my phone. I picked up my book immediately, read for 20 minutes,

went downstairs, made a coffee. I had to do some notes stuff with some work things. you know so and immediately you feel better yeah immediately you feel better it's crazy yeah if you don't pick up your phone and you do and you read it just completely changes yeah it's the dopamine hit yes yes i feel the same way i so because i obviously i i like i don't handle stress very well and i realized a couple years ago that i was like on especially during the pandemic i was like high like my anxiety was so high and stress levels were so high. And I realized, because we were all at home, I was just refreshing my, like, social, so I see what was happening in the world, what's going on?

And I forgot to sort of take care of myself. And in the last year, and honestly, Kate was such a big, like, inspiration for, like, me getting back into the gym, me, like, taking time for myself, because I really struggled, especially when I had my kids, struggling with finding, like, a work-life balance and, like, trying to mitigate that stress and that anxiety. And I didn't realize, like, how much, like, you know, if you're on your phone at night, you don't realize that you've been scrolling on Instagram for an hour and you should have been sleeping. But it took me a second to also, I think, you know, that's a good way to put it earning back your dopamine was I try not to be on my phone when I wake up or when I go to sleep or I usually, I try to only use it for like work for texting for emailing. I've like put all of my like social apps within its own little thing. So it's not something that I just click on mindlessly. but it's because I think it's so hard in today's society because everything is so easily

accessible it's like right there it's like it's information we have supercomputers in our pockets it's like it's so different now and this past year has been so amazing to sort of kind of take a step back and go back to waking up like spending time reading going to the gym like not even paying attention to my phone like I have a specific like alerts for work things or for people in my life so I know when I need to look at my phone. And I feel like it has helped my stress level so much. It's amazing when you find the things that work for you and you can consolidate those things, how it changes the way that you live. Like, I, for instance, like, I think the first thing is to assess the things that are your weak

point, weak spots. Like, what are the challenges? And, like, mine, I think for everybody, it's definitely the phone. But my big thing. was like my like I look at like how like okay how can I be the most efficient in my life achieve the things that I want to achieve but not go down this thing like I have to be available to everybody in order to succeed I have to be an open book and I have to be doing this all the time and I need this all the time and I need this all the time to succeed and then you can't really focus on your children like what is your version of success what do you want those things like you all assess right then when you kind of go back to it i always think it's like

i always think it becomes like what's the thing that's your achilles heel like what's the thing that drives you crazy and like then you write those things down like i don't want to be looking at my phone all the time yeah i can't stand that fucking thing because i can't i want to be able to be focused on my kids and i'm we're focusing on my kids and i realize that like there are all of these things that you can be doing that we're not doing. Like, for instance, I hate email. Some people love them. I hate them.

I don't like them. I find them to be disruptive. I find it to be one of the things that people think because they sent you an email, that means that they've done their part, that they don't follow through. If they send, like, email to me, then it's like someone says, well, I sent you the email and you're like, when? Two weeks ago. And then you have to go through a million emails.

What's the heading? You get the heading wrong. It's not right. You can't get to the email. You're like, I'll put it back up in your inbox. I'm like, I hate this. What's your inbox at right now? How many?

Oh, I don't even look at them. I can't even. See, mine is zero. I have a weird thing. I have to clear everything out. That makes you feel good. Yeah. So that's your vibe.

Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, you have to, for me, I've just realized that everybody in my life needs to know that I have a phone number and that you can call me. Yeah. And like, I'm one of those, right? So that way I don't have to sit there and go through emails and sit for hours and have it be disrupting me when I'm trying to watch the kids. Well, you got to answer this email. You got to do.

I can't do it. And so it's like, so I set my times like in the morning. I have an hour. I look at my emails. That's it. I'm not going to look at them all day. Yeah. Right?

And then I make sure that I communicate to everybody that I don't look at emails. Like if they really need me, they can text me or they can call me. Like I think everybody needs those little. things that make their life less that they know what they can handle like I am so ADHD like I'm halfway down an email and I'm like I'm out I'm out

I can't and then I have to write back I'm like great that's my response cool I'm not going to sit here and write some that's like me reading news articles in the morning I'm like oh this is interesting like you know something and I get like three paragraph in I'm like

yeah I'm done up or sometimes I'll scroll all the way to the end and then I'll read the last paragraph and then go backwards and for some reason that helps me out whatever your process or boundary is like one of the things that I like you know I was such a creep I was like I would just like watch Kate all the time because I was like I didn't know like it was so incredibly like inspiring to see you do everything but at the same time like you would sit down and talk to anybody for like an hour about anything like if you got into a conversation with someone. You would drop anything and everything to have a real conversation with someone

and like nothing else mattered. And it said so much about who you were. And I think that's why this experience was so amazing because everyone else could be great. But if our number, if Kate was terrible, the whole experience would be like, oh, this is, this is not fun. But we, I think you set such a great tone and pace for the show and for everyone. Everyone just had such a good time because we all were so comfortable. We all felt so safe. Like, And the funny thing is that we, like, we joke about Genesis, Genesis, who's incredible. It was because the fact that we would, because you didn't like everyone on top of you, that's what we'd be like, Genesis, because she would be doing whatever, like, she was just like come out of the shadows. She was like, I've been here the whole time doing all the things you didn't know of it's like.

And like, the whole day would have it all of a time, I'd be like, oh, oh, God, hold on. Genesis? Yeah. And it's like, it's already done. It's already done. Like, that's what was amazing. Oh, it's so funny. Jenna, I just yelled to her name.

She's like, here. She's probably going to be like, yes. But that's what was like so fascinating. Because I think for me, it was, I say I was so fortunate that this was one of the first jobs I came into after having kids because it's so daunting for me, at least, to find a balance. And like, every single day, like, Kate could attest this. I was like, Kate, what do I do?

I don't know how to do this. It's, you gave me such incredible, like, advice about motherhood, about life, about work life balance that I it honestly changed me so much and changed my perspective and outlook on this business and yeah and also like just I mean I think I can say this because it's a very common thing for women and I think an important thing that women like you kind of get out of the hormone phase of like having your child so it's about a year in yeah and the babies your hormones start to get back into their normal thing and then you want to go do stuff you want to go work or have your own kind of experience and then at the same time you're just like completely pulled

by the desire to just also want to be domestic and so it's like you're like living in this dichotomy of like I really want to go have that experience and I want to feel like it did before I had a child but I don't so therefore I'm trying to figure out how to still feel present in this while I can still be a really great mom. Oh but how lucky are you that you got to work in Los Angeles, because that's big. Oh, my God. With kids, with babies, too. Oh, my God. Well, and I think for, I think for people who kind of think, like, that, you know, there's, there's, like, the pros and cons of our business is that you can do a show for ours was four, four and a half months. You do the show, and then you have a lot of time off, right, pending on how you live your life.

But, like, then you could have a good month off. You could have a good two months off before you start another job. And that's a great thing because then you're super connected in your family and you can be home. But the flip side of it is that you have 5 a.m. calls. So you're up before the kids are up. And then if you're like our show, you're not home until the kids are just about to go to sleep or not after. So you're missing, you're literally missing everything. Like, oh, you have a parent-teacher conference. You're like, yeah, yeah.

Boring, anyway. you know or even like one i had to watch ronnie's like show on face time it just sucked it's just sucks but it's one of the best things about working on like you know something like our show it's like for four and a half months you're like sort of in this bubble where you know like it's like your business like all over you're in toronto doing this show it's like camp you get to know everyone super well you get this like crazy very very unique experience and then sometimes you may never see these people again for years yeah oh yeah yeah yeah it's like the craziest emotional like up and down.

I was like, no wonder we're all crazies. Oh, of course. That's the way it is. And my son, Wilder, is working on the show too, and he's getting to experience that, which is the how quickly you, everyone falls in love.

Yeah. And then how quickly, you know, you break up and, you know. Although, I have to say, Brenda's different because Brenda's been on her, like, you know, amazing press moment with the movie. last show girl which was so fun to see you in

I love. I was so sad that we missed you at Tiff I didn't realize that we were there I know at the same time You just missed each other Oh I want to see that It's great I'm in my Oscar moment right now I just watched The Apprentice last night

Oh how is that? Dude fucking great Oh really Sebastian it's so good Sebastian it's so good That is such a difficult tight rope to walk

And he fucking did it masterfully. I was like blown away by him. I thought it was amazing, honestly like, amazing. You know. But what I was going to say, what I was going to say was that Brenda, because Brenda's been, you know, and then doing her thing, but we've actually,

the siblings, me, Scotty, and Drew have really tried to stay connected during this whole time. Like, if I'm back, we'll go out and have like sibling, you know, dinners and all things. But, Scotty was over.

It was in the desert. I'm really good friends with Scotty as well. I love Scott. Yeah, he's the best. So there is a different, like we have, we have kind of maintained a little bit better than I think. But it's true, you kind of go into the camp and then you go out and then you come back for press, which I'm so excited because it's so much fun.

I know. And that's the thing. It's like, but you because you bond so. And I think, because, you know, obviously we've had so many different experiences. And I feel like this show is really special because everyone was. was so different and everyone was living their own very crazy lives. But we all got to like really like escape to do the show together. You know, it was like our escape from like all the craziness that was happening. And I'm so genuinely excited to see everyone just in a couple of weeks,

which is crazy. There were no assholes. No. Everyone is so funny. Like, so you're working with the best comedians, people who just don't miss a beat. Like totally, you know, they got the memo. everyone showed up the way you would want people to show up for a show like this, which is supposed to be fun and enjoyable to watch and, and, and, and then we all fell in love of each other. It was like, I, I literally left every day going, I'm having the time of my life with everything, you know? And then it's just you, me, and a bunch of boys. It's literally just us. But you know what was so great about that though? And I talked to Dave about it

is the fact that, but you and I have so, Dave is our showrunner. We have so many, Dave is our showrunner. And it's like because we have brothers, it's like, doesn't, we, there was never like, we were never, we were like, we would mess around with the boys just as much as they would mess around with each other because, yeah, I was like, this is

all I know. I don't know any, we don't know sisters. Yeah. I mean, I actually have a sister, which I'm getting to know now, but like, we grew up with boys. That's all we mean. So it's like they couldn't have hired two girls that felt more comfortable in a room full of stinky, like completely inappropriate boys. Yeah, exactly. And the funny thing was like, I mean, and you know, Ollie, you know, you know, Scotty.

Like, I feel like he would like, he's always so facetious and like so like, he would like, you know, he's so funny. But yet if you gave it back to him, he'd be like, oh my God, what? He'd like be so bad. Scotty, you have to take it. You give it. you better be able to take it. And, like, he'd be appalled by some of the things I said to him. Like, even, like, you, we were texting about something.

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No, coming up on 8. 8 years. And you're getting married, though? I swear to God, we will. We just haven't. The thing I was tell people is we haven't had time. This is my thing. We talked about this on the show, too.

It's like planning a wedding. Right. So it's not about doing the Goldie Hawn Kurt Russell method. It's more just about like we don't have time. And can I tell you, though? we have very much, use your parents as example, way before we ever knew you guys, was like, I love the fact that you don't need a piece of paper to show that your commitment to one another. Totally.

You choose to show up every single day. And that's what we do. It's like, you know, for us, if we were to get married, it'd be more just for the kids. Like, of course, I want to be married to him. I love him. He's my partner. He knows that. But a piece of paper is not going to change that for us.

If anything, it's a reason to have a party and to have all of our friends over and to celebrate. That's my thing. It's like, what are we, it's, and this is, if you knew, the amount of time was we talked about.

Yes, we did. How many dresses we've looked at, like, oh, fashion we've said, I was like, this would be a great dress. It's like, that is that there's,

like, the actual like party and the vet. That's the fun part. Yeah. You know. Yeah. I, but, but then like, there's money.

There's so much money. There's so much money. It's so much money and it's so much planning. No, no, but I'm saying like getting married, though, there's a financial benefit to getting married.

tacky things. Oh, believe me, I know there's, like, when we were starting to talk, I was like, babe, I don't know if I want to be in your tax bracket. It kind of sucks. Like, I'm okay. Like, you have to have those silly conversations because it's so much more than just like running off to get married. I mean, believe me, it's, again, like part of us is like, well, maybe we just like have a party to celebrate like us. Like there's, you know, at this point, I don't think we could be more connected and more committed in any way, shape, or form. But also at the same time, we always say, like, I always want to check in with him and make sure that he's happy and that this is what he continuously wants because, you know, especially in a relationship, it's like, yes, you're going to have to fight through. You're going to have ups and downs. But ultimately, we care about each other enough where we want to make sure that this is where we continuously want to be and that we're moving forward in the same direction. Because it's also hard, especially in this business, when we're both off doing like little bubbles and you're so busy and to stay connected is really hard. It's one of the things that I really. loved about working on this show was seeing how all of these very busy, successful people

stayed connected with their partners. Like, you know, I remember meeting Katie Scott's wife for the first time and being like, oh my God, it is so nice to meet you and see. I went like this. Oh, my God, you're a saint. Yeah, I see. I was like, how do you do it? How do you do it?

How does this feel intimately? Because this is a lot. but it's also been so wonderful to kind of like especially like experiences like this where you get to go and sort of learn from each other and like ask for advice from because what we do is so crazy like I always say like I'm so fortunate I get to do the thing that I dreamed of doing since I was a little kid and that's my job and I get to like work with people that I like admire that I like never thought that I'd be in the same room in and I get to work with them and to be collaborative it's so. crazy what we do and to sort of also so it's also at the same time it's very like it's very specific so when you meet a group of people who are so open and generous with their time and their advice about what it's like to navigate being a good human being being being a good parent a good partner also while you know working and doing all these things it's really nice and it's surprising that you don't run into more incredibly generous people like we did on

this show like i it's one of my favorite things was just hanging out and talking to everybody. Like, we did that. Like, the last few days of filming, I think that's all we did. We were like, we were just in our corner watching the game and just, those are fun, those were fun, fun, crazy night shoots. We had some crazy nightsuits. Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my God. We had night shoots that were just. It was so fun and funny because it's like at the end of the day, we were, I mean, we just had a good time. Like, I can't, I can't say anything. Like, I miss, I truly hope that we get to do more, because it was such a fun time. And everyone, it's also like, everyone was so talented. Like, that was a thing. Like, I felt so incredible, like, in a place where everyone was like, the bar was set so high every single day that it was like, oh, it's like, it's like just fun to be in that kind of environment. Like, I miss it. It was the best. You're the best. No, you're the best. No, I,

you don't understand I miss you so much I because you were in New York for forever I know so now that you're not well we'll be in New York together well I'll like come bug you got it or maybe I'll fly down come visit that would be so fun I were actually going to have the boys on the sibling the I was about to say I was like that is going to be so much fun it's so fun to do this with the cast it's like this is the best no this is the best thank you guys for having me on this is so great I'm so happy to see you Kate I missed you I can't wait to see you next week. I love you. I know I love you guys. Oliver was nice to like finally chat. Nice to finally chat. Maybe I'll see in New York. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you guys. We should all go to a game.

That's really what we should do. We should go to a game. Let's do it. Well, now that we have Luca, it's even more excited. We have to go to a game. Holy fuck. Jeannie, if you're listening to us, we need to come to a game. Jeannie, Jeannie, if you're listening to us, what did I do? Just let me know what I did. Let me know what I did. I'll talk soon. Thank you, guys. Love you. Bye. So fun. Isn't she the best? She's so great. She's also so talented, Oliver. She's like, she's so funny and talented.

We had so much fun together. And it's just a funny thing when you meet someone for the first time and you don't know how that's going to gel. And we do so much together. And the first read-through was just the best. I was like, oh, she's so got such good energy. And she's so much fun. And it's, yeah, I hope people like the show because we all loved doing it. Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Judice.

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