Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Stella and Mary McCartney

Episode Date: March 24, 2022

Stella and Mary McCartney sit down with Kate and Oliver this week on Sibling Revelry. They discuss their childhood and being each other’s constant company, growing up vegetarian and how food was the heart of the home, watching their parents perform, and more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickEdited by Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by:Outerknown (outerknown.com promo code: sibling)Blueland (blueland.com/sibling)Future (tryfuture.com/sibling)Noom Mood (noom.com/sibling)Check out Mary McCartney Serves It Up (https://www.foodnetwork.com/shows/mary-mccartney-serves-it-upCheck out Minnie Mouse's first-ever pantsuit by Stella McCartney (https://www.stellamccartney.com/us/en/stellas-world/stella-minnie-mouses-first-ever-pant-suit-for-disney-land-paris.html)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's good. Stella and Mary. Mary. Stella and Mary McCartney. Mary McCartney. You know, it's funny because you know way better than I, but how many different English accents there actually are? There's so many.

Yeah, there's a fun. Yeah, I mean, every little nook and cranny of England has a different type of accent. It's pretty cool. The girls actually, the girls, you know, Stella, and Mary have some American influence in their accent. So

there are certain things that Stella will say that sound more American than a typical sort of, you know, born and raised English girl, but that's because of their mom. Yeah, no, I know. And I watch religiously the great British bake-off. So I just

love the show. It's a great British baking show. Baking show. Hey, what's happening? Oh, God. Your life gives me anxiety, like no wonder. Your dogs give me anxiety.

I know. Maybe that's the problem. Okay, we're keeping this in because I want everyone to just experience what I'm experiencing. But anyway, so the great British baking show, love. And everyone has a different accent. And some of these people, this one woman in the last one, I couldn't even understand her, but I think she was from Liverpool.

Oh, yeah. Liverpool. It was crazy. Anyway, all of this to say that I fully understood Stella and Mary McCartney, 100% clear. And everything makes sense. Holy shit. This is unacceptable. Guys, what the fuck? This is an unacceptable introduction from my best friend.

I mean, she's like my best friend. The good thing is. is we are going to keep this in because she'll get a kick out of this. But so let me just talk while Oliver's doing this. So Stella and I've known each other. I met Stella when I was like 18 and we became really fast, wonderful friends. And we've been friends ever since. And I was so excited to interview her and Mary.

And of course, I've had over the last two decades had amazing. amazing times with the girls. But Mary, I really didn't meet Mary until she did a photo shoot with me when I was doing, when Stella was launching her lingerie. And that's when I met Mary. And she's just so wonderful and lovely. And the whole family is truly amazing. So it's really nice.

It was nice to talk to them together about what it was like growing up. Yeah, I was scared. I was scared to ask any real questions. And I also felt like the third wheel. So I had to like, I had to work my way in there because you guys were all so tight, you know? And it was all this banter. I'm like, God, what do I do?

Like, yesterday. Oh, my troubles were so far away. No, but Ollie, you know what was amazing was we realized that you guys had never met. It was like so weird. I mean, we have, like, real memories of friendship, Stella and I. And, like, the fact that you guys have never met is so crazy. And kind of just validates how I have this, like, other weird life somewhere else.

You know, it's like across the pond that you never come to Europe. You never come to England. No, no way. And I have this whole weird life over there that you've never seen. I know, but you have a, you know, especially. Actually back in the day, it was like, Penny Lane is in my ears. And you were in that whole world. So we talked about growing up on their organic farm.

And we talked about their close relationship throughout their lives. And they moved around a lot. You know, it was sort of like they had this really simple English countryside farm life. And then like they'd get on the plane. And they'd be like, okay, Paul would be like, kids, let's go, you know, to start de France for four nights. and they go play, you know, four nights in a stadium in France or all over the world. I mean, so they had a very interesting, that was a, you know, strong juxtaposition of lifestyle. Yeah, but they're very, I mean, like you said, you know, we come from, you know, a celebrity family, but we don't come from the Beatles.

I mean, that's Paul McCart. I mean, that's just crazy, but there seems so cool, well-adjusted. They're obviously in love these two sisters. Um, there's so much fun. And even though I haven't met them, I felt like I had at the end of it. It was like I was just a part of the crew. Fun girls. Ali, why don't you introduce Stella and Mary McCartney.

Blackbirds singing in the day of the night. Okay, ladies, welcome to our podcast. This is really fun for me. So for context Oh, you guys are so cute So for context Stella and I have known each other We met actually

Do you remember the first time we met If we both are on the same reality In my view It was that when I won Fashion Design over the year At the VH1VU That's right darling So we met and there was an after party

Do you remember the after party? I don't remember that Because I was so completely blown away that David Bowie had given me the award and he never leaves the room. And I was like, fuck, are we allowed to actually use blasphemy? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, fuck, fucky fuck then. Yeah. So David gave the award and then they had my, and it was funny because it was, oh, I don't know if I can say it. Anyway, there was a bit of hesitance with David and then I turned around and dad was there and it was like a surprise. It was a double whammy. So I don't know if I remember

much after that. But I remember me. Well, we went to a party. The after party. Anthony Hopkins had a rave. He lost to we name it off. He threw a rave. I was, I'm walking in on the queen taking a dump, and I was so embarrassed. We went.

There was an after party. I forget where it was. It was the queen's New York apartment. We have to name up as many people as we can in this story. It was? No, it wasn't. I'm not sure of the queen of England. I'm not talking about Queen.

Oh, the queen in England. It was her, yeah. So the queen was there. No, so we went. It was at some like hotel downtown. And I remember, because it was the first time we met, and I remember walking in after the whole thing. And you were standing there with Keith Richards in the doorway,

checking people's clothes as they walked in, feeling them, going for fur and for leather. Yeah. And making sure everybody knew how you'd, felt about it. How can I not remember that moment? Oh, I remember. I was like, what are you doing?

You're like, I'm feeling everybody's clothes. Feeling you. And as you go and leave the party at that stage, and she'd go feel me. I ran out. She went and changed. But that's where we first met. And then from then on, we've been friends forever.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I've heard of you guys forever. I've never just, I've never met. I don't know, I don't know why. We're really good friends because I felt you in such a way that you're like, I want to know her longer and better and deeper. It's true.

We had a lot of fun, a lot of fun nights, days, a lot of good laughs, a lot of good tears. And then I met Mary. Mary, do you remember when we first met? I do not, but all my favorite people, I don't. What I was thinking about is one of my favorite Kate moments is when we, one of the last times we all met, was when Stella and I flew over and we were going to Coachella,

epic weekend where dad was playing and you literally we got off the plane and you like drove in like on spot on time and like open the door i have my new the iPhone had just started doing all that slow-mo and i was like opening the windows filming you and stella's hair blowing and slow-mo well the first time we met was when we did a photo shoot yeah we have actually oh yes and that's bed in the barclay hotel And we were like, we were repeat plays. Wait, that's when you first met. No, I met you before in New York in Kings Street. Yeah, but that's the first time we, like, connected.

We had met. Because you were basically naked, babe, on a bed. I was naked. I was like, let's get to know each other. And then I wore Stella. I should tell you in my, in my, it was a professional shoot as a photographer. Are you now not a little bit bummed that you haven't met us after me? Yes, I am.

And if you get a chance. You should photograph me naked rolling around because... In my own thing. And then I have to put creep by radio head on repeat because that's literally the only song we play it the whole time. Oh, my God. Do you do... Have you done men's underwear yet?

And then, Stella, you can style him. No, but I will do it. I'll do it for you. I'll make one pair of men's knickers. Oh, a one of one. Or we can do an NFT underwear for me. Oh, that's good. Men's knickers is how we should phrase it.

Well, guys, let's get into it. So we always start asking with asking about where you grew up. I mean, you guys obviously, it's a very iconic story. Your father, Paul McCartney, married, your beautiful mother, Linda. Linda is American, was American. And did you always consider yourself half English, half American? I remember saying to people, we were half-puddly and half-American. Because our accents, there's some weird sort of combination.

of like going to visiting family in Liverpool and then we'd go to Scotland and we grew up in London and then we'd go to New York to see family all the time so I always would say we were very much half American, half English a little more American at the beginning actually I think

in just, yeah I would say well just because we spent more time I think with our American side of the family and I think that when it came to food or when it came to like kind of I don't know we were like I feel like A lot of my memories were more America. But definitely 50, 50.

But I would always say that we were very bilingual, and I would say raspberry. But where was home base? As a kid, where it was like home base? We were born in London. We're Londoners. But we grew up on an organic farm in East Sussex. So that really is where we grew up.

Because London, we were born in London, but we moved quite quickly to a very sort of isolated farm. So we had a weird kind of upbringing between cities, going on tour, being in stadiums with 200,000 people capping at our parents and freaking out and then we go back to a state school in southern England

in a field with rabbits hopping around. So great. I think that's one of the reasons we're so close is because we're two years apart in age, like all of the sort of traveling and moving around. We would do, Del and I would always sort of

each other's company and always by each other's side. And James is, it's just the three of you, with your mom and dad, yeah? Yeah. And James is how old? Seven years younger? Six years younger.

Our sister Heather as well. If you've watched the Get Back. Oh, yeah, Heather, that's right. If you've watched The Get Back documentary, she's a little cute blonde and New Yorker that comes in all the time skipping around. And if you haven't watched the Get Back documentary, then we're going to just hang up now.

I've started it. I've started it. I haven't finished it. It's so inspirational. It's crazy. And it's so humanizing, you know. It's like you have this idea of this iconic band and that they just shit gold.

But the truth is, it's just they're a band, you know? And they're just feeling it out and they're doing it. It happens to be iconic sort of epic music. George Harrison leaves and they're like, okay, let's keep going. I'm like, what? The fucking Beatles just left. And they're like, whatever. It's just so a bit more than that in the sense that I think everyone brought

into the fact that they were enemies then. So it's sort of like opening a lid on the fact that they were collaborating, creating, going through the process. So it's incredible. Yeah, and it also really, I think, hones in on the dynamic. Your father is just a worker. Like, he works. He's like a machine. Well, I think what's interesting about this moment is it's a family.

And I think we all have our one thing that connects us all quite well. I think he's a love of family. and then we have our careers, and that's another family. And I think that we're very lucky and blessed in that respect, that we have those two perspectives, all of us. When did it hit you that there was something abnormal about your family? You know, because I know for us, there's like that moment where it just is until you actually kind of realize,

like, oh, my parents are... I think for me, I mean, I was very aware, like, when I got to an age where you would, you paid attention to what was number one in the charts or, you know, you started getting involved, you know, and we grew up in an era where music videos started to happen, VH1 started to happen in MTV. So I became aware of it when I saw dad on, and my mom on telly. I was less aware of it when I was very young, when I watched them on stage in Wings, for example. Right. It didn't occur to me, but I remember becoming aware when I was at school and dad was number one

with Michael Jackson. Right, with Michael, on the carriage. I was horrified and I was like, oh, God, you know, Dad, really, Ebby and I've really, for real. So, you know, it was like there was kind of a horror and embarrassing to touch it. I guess, you know, you would have had it. I'm sure when you missed the bus and you're like, no, you can drop me off here, Dad. And you'd like, oh, God, you know, you didn't want to. So I think I was aware probably early teens personally.

But then also there's a funny thing that I was thinking about the other day that we would do. We just be, because, you know, you guys know, sort of everyone goes. I was there a moment, but in a way, it's your family. So your family is the norm that you know. So we did grow up going on tour and things. But more like when we would watch TV and we'd have like TV with dinner with on our laps, on the sofa, on the couch, watching TV. And then dad would come in and start playing a song on the guitar like accusing.

And we'd be like, Dad, could you like go somewhere else to play this please? Right. We are watching the television and he's like, and he's like, do it. And if he's like, good. You're just that your dad always ends up at some instrument somewhere. Yeah, and so he'd be like, but do you know how many people would be desperate for me?

And I suppose that's a bit like, oh, yes, you are Paul McCartney, but could you go and do it in someone like, we're watching this? We respect you and you are, but like we're watching. Right, but please, I'm trying to watch television. It's like when mom would show up to hot lunch in like an outfit. And I'd just be like, I can't. You just want your parents to be like every other party out. Yeah, just like wear sweats.

And like... You just say mum turned up to hot lunch. Is that what you just said? Yeah, like if she was passing out pizza, like, it wasn't like a normal mom. She was volunteering as the parents in the school. If there's any British people listening, hot lunch, it's not a thing on this over here. Hot lunch. No, we don't do...

It's like, what is hot lunch? Lunch is lunch. No, a hot lunch. School provides a lunch that is steaming. It is just the idea of your mother turning up to hot lunch. in a hot outfit that's like fit. She's fit lunch. Well, maybe she didn't understand it either.

That's why she was wearing all the outfit. Like the hot clothes. Now I understand what hot lunch is say no more. But mom would wear like old socks and she would put together her own looks. I mean, she was hugely beautiful when Stella, like she'd wear a designer and then something she bought from a, you know, a vintage store and then wear something secondhand and put it all together and like break things up. I mean, I found that was quite embarrassing, but now I'm so proud of it.

I saw something the other day that cracked me up so bad. So I had a birthday party recently, it was 70s, and I was looking through all my mom and dad's clothes. Like, all their wings stuff, because it was 70s, and I found this pair of dungarees who, like, did, like, amazing dungarees. Like, they're, like, all embroidered with wings on the pockets and the ass. Oh, no. Can I have that? Studs everywhere, and they're, like, this patch up. And I just assumed they were moms, and I was like, oh, I'm going to.

rock like a dungary look to my party. These are fierce. I'm going to get her like platform. Put them on that tiny, tiny. Then my daughter, Bailey, is like, oh, we're there. They're going to flares. You die. And then I saw something literally yesterday with dad's like, hi, 70s.

He's got his mullet, your mullet wings. And he's like, hi, I'm Paul. And he's rocking the dungry. Those moments are pretty precious. But are all those clothes archived and saved all the clothes? Stella's archive is. insane. Yeah, I've got, well, no, I, there's a lot of it's kept, actually, with funny. I don't know if your, your mom kept her stuff. If she didn't, I hate that.

She didn't. But, because I do, dad, it's good. Like, he kept a lot. And mom and dad kept a lot. They kind of, I think they knew that it was important. And also, it was a huge part of my career looking at their wardrobe because it was all stage gear from the 70s. A little bit of his veal stuff too. But they should, what I realized is they shared a wardrobe. So my earliest memories, like looking up at their clothes, but it was like all one. So it was very adrogynous, very like, and I, things I presumed were his. Sorry, were hers, were his. And I think it's such a big part of how I design, that whole kind of like, you're borrowing your

boyfriends, you know, how did we get that? But I speak to a lot of people, like George, for example, I've been to his archive at Olivia's house, and he's got a few things. And like, John, I speak to Sean Lennon. He's like, John didn't keep anything, Yoko kept nothing. And so I feel to you, that's like... Going back to the documentary real quick, but in a fashion sense, one thing that stood out aside from sort of the music and the Beatles creating was...

Paul's eyelashes. No, was everyone coming into the studio looking fabulous? And was this something that they thought about before they get up in the morning? Did they lay out their clothes or did they just throw shit on? Because everything was incredible. If they did, I think it dismisses everything that's cool about them. There's no way they laid it out. But it is astonishing.

I mean, the fashion, you can see why one of the children had to be a fashion designer, right? It's a thousand percent. But also, at the moment, I'm directing this documentary about the history of Abbey Road Studios, because it's 90 years of Abbey Road. And in interviewing people, they kind of say that London at that time was like black, like it was just sort of very much soups and a shirt and attire. And then when you got to the... And a bowl of a hat, but they said when you got to the 60s,

it felt like everything turned to technicolor. Yeah. So I think that they were dressing like a yellow shirt or a this and just sort of collecting things. But it's so amazing because when you watch it get back, it's like George is like insane. I mean, all of them is insane. And George is so hot.

George was crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. The thing, it's like, oh. That music, it's almost like, it really is magical. It holds, like, the way that young kids respond to it is something that doesn't happen really with any other ban. Now we're looking at three generations, responds to it similarly,

become obsessed, you know? Well, there's definitely a completely connected tissue. But let's talk about your guy's childhood. Did you ever? I want to. I will, yeah, but did you ever, this leads into that. Did you ever hate being the daughter of your parents? Meaning like, Jesus, it's just so much, you know?

Like, please leave us alone. I just want to live a normal life. I never hated it. I was, I definitely chose to not go into that world because I hated everyone else around it, to be honest. I didn't hate it or them. I hated the media for quite a long time. I was very angry at how mean they were to mum, how mean they were, and ridiculed us within vegetarians, you know, which, of course, now it was like, you know,

we were pretty ahead of our time there. I was, I hated other aspects of it. I didn't love getting pulled out of school to go on the road when I was like 18. I was a bit bummed, but I never, I never even thought of it. Also, we went to like a state school, like a normal school, local school. So even though it's great because we're around normal people and it was a really good grounding upbringing. We still did stand out quite a lot in that area. So there were times that it was like really awkward

and you felt a bit awkward. And it's about also to understand like how do you know who likes you for you? You know, how do you know what friends want to be a part of your life because of you? That's why we found each other. I think so. I think when you're going to the schools we went to,

we probably had less of that because it was so normal. It was like if they were nice to. It was the local village kind of vibe. Yeah, it's almost weird, isn't it? It's almost like the opposite. People think that they'd want to be your friend, but it's actually, at least for girls, maybe.

Like, it was harder for me to have friends because... Yeah, girls are harsh. I think you're also just more paranoid, aren't you, being in our situation? You know, you're kind of like walking room, you go, do they know? We used to go under a different name for most things. But the thing is, is that you guys had what we had, like, which is a testament to all of our parents. like there was a very conscious decision to not be enmeshed in the world all the time.

Like we moved to Colorado, we grew up on a ranch, you guys were in the country. There was this sort of understanding that our parents had of us to be in nature and to have like a more normal, simple. You know what? I don't think our parents, were your parents like this? I don't think they cared so much what people thought about them. And I know when I spoke to mom about it, you're like, but how did you feel when people were like saying

you dressed horribly and then why is he married to her? And she was like, I really, as long as the people that I love, love me, I really don't care what other people think. And I think maybe that's what got us all through her. I mean, how do you all feel about the fact that we're not doing that? Like, I struggle so hard with the fact that my company is in London. All the time, we talk about it all the time.

I'm lucky enough that I have a farm in the country and we go every weekend and I have fought like we have that too. but my kids were in this system in London, and I am so freaked out about it. It's so crazy because it's not what you would have expected. Five years ago, six years ago, I took the kids, Mike, I have three kids, out of L.A., and moved to Colorado for two years

and put them in school there just so they could at least have or have the opportunity to have what Katie and I had. What ages? Did you do that? I have 14, 11, and 8. That's all they are now. Yeah, so it was early ages. It was a little earlier, and it was incredible. I mean, it's just that,

freedom, that independence, that you're not have to worry about them. They don't have to worry about themselves. They get to feel what it's like to be alone and deal with them. I know. I also get bored. But don't you also fight? I mean, that takes such balls. And I'm so annoyed at myself. I haven't got bullocks

to just go, you know, and especially I have to come here. Well, you can do everything on Zoom. Like, we don't have to do it. I know. Like, it makes me think even more how our parents really like special, special you know. All four of us speaking though the bonus is that we had a charge of without the phones and being contact

for all the time we could go out like you two could go out play around and come back when you were hungry and that and nobody really watching you and so we did we did have that growing up and stella and i from scotland we would go out in the morning and we just literally walk you and i would build camps together we'd collect things we'd make games up out and there are great memories and that's what makes us so close like i was on a photo shoot in Scotland and I saw a flower that reminded me of Stella and I took a picture and sent it and she knew. I was like, I don't need to say a thing. I was with this person. I was like, wait, I'm going to get a response back immediately. And she's like, laughing. And it just takes you

right back to that moment, just looking at one flower. So how did your parents actually meet? They met. My mother was a photographer, professional photographer. And she pretty much started Rolling Stone Magazine. They metly, might I am, and young, when I found her work. First woman to have a cover of Rolling Stone magazine, Linda McCartney. Right?

So they were, Dad, mom had taken pictures. Do you know the, um, the animals, House the Rising Sun, that song? Yeah. The mom, I know the story built because when I became a photographer, I sat mum down and I like interviewed her about her career because suddenly you care about what you're like,

oh, I've never paid any attention to her. We were like, she made her live so easy. and then it was like, hang on, I need to ask you. But anyway, they were at her. She was in, she had done a photo shoot at the animals in New York, and then she was in London on a photo assignment. And they, Eric Burden said, from the animals, said, when you're in London, I'll take you out.

And she took, because they all fancied the pants with mom. And so they were in New Yorker. Like, she was this kind of Amazonian, like, it was like, who are you? Where are you from? Like natural mom, no makeup, New York accent. They hadn't really counted many of those in London. Yeah, and just in love with rock and roll and just like an amazing photographer.

So they took her to, the animals took her to a club called the Bag of Nails in London in Solo. And Dad tells the Baganels. The Baganels of nails. Bag of nails. Bag of nails. Baggnails. And then he says he was sort of sitting in the club like on a balcony and he looked down across and he could see this blonde woman

and she just really caught his eye and she was there and they obviously were playing eye contact games with each other and then when they were there at classroom then they were in this club then she got up to leave

and he said I was like she was leaving so I had to like take my moment he stood up and sort of stood in the walkway and said hi I'm Paul like well they introduced each other and he was like That was actually going to be used to like your little goosebumps.

This is so cute. Can you imagine dad blocking her? You're talking about Paul McCartney in the period that you're talking about, by the way, because she's pregnant with Mary in the Get Back documentary. So just picture of that, Paul McCartney, blocking your way. I don't think to be weird, but. With the eyelashes. Oh, my God.

He was hot as shit. I was like, oh, man. I never thought about it like that, Paul, until I saw. It was just like, I was like, God, he's so put together and handsome. Yeah, I would have made love to him back then. He was a chance and the technology he used that because that's 16-0 film and he blew it up into it all look like. Oh, it's so amazing. You can see it differently.

You feel like you're actually there. It's such a different experience. Okay, so then they meet at Bag of Nails and then how many years later is she pregnant with the first? Now, wait, Heather. Heather, she had a daughter. She had Heather, and then they were, she was in New York. And then eventually she moved over, put Ken on my hand. Okay.

And then you were, how many years later were you born after they met? You? I was born in 16. A hot, illegal minute. Like, immediately pregnant. After a bag of nails. Like six months later, baby in the oven? No.

I think we met the 67, and then she went back to America, and then they came back, and then she moved. Okay, so it was a couple years later. Oh, I thought it was in the church. I know nothing. That's why I'm letting Mary do all the talking. So you were, do you remember when Stella was born? No, because I was only two. How did you not remember this being born?

Oh, her little red hair coming out, like, br-dr. Stella has always been dramatic, because when she was born, mom had a, like, she had a, like, she had to have an emergency scaring because she was placenta, the placenta was in the way. So it's so wonderful modern technology. My little sister wouldn't be here. And mom, probably. Yeah. Oh.

Yeah. I was emergency C. I like ate shit and died because I was in there too long and I took a dump. Maconium was in the flu and I went and had mokoneum masqueration. He was in ICA's, the NICU for. In fact, if you, Kate, do not make him a T-shirt that says, That said, I almost died. I almost ate shit and died.

I will not be your friend anymore. I ate shit and almost. I ate shit and almost. Yeah, I ate shit. It's quite good. Almost is a critical addition to that. What was your first memory of Stella, Mary? We shared a bedroom.

We were in London and we shared a bedroom. And my memories are literally, as they carried on, And they started as they meant Karen. We were in a bed next to each other. And we would just talk and then we would run around together. And if one of us had to go to the bathroom, we'd wait the other one up and we'd run into the bathroom together and keep you catch up. There were witches under our bed.

Litches jump off the bed. Did you have witches on your bed? I still have witches under my bed. I am the witch in my bed. She goes under her own bed. I'm a witch on my own bed. I'm a witch on my own bed. We were always that close.

And then we went through like our more teens kind of competitive years, but we still shared friends. And then when mum died, I would say all of the many of that competitive kind of rivalry thing. Well, were you guys always really close? Or was there that moment where it was close and then there was a separation because of that competitive spirit? There was, what it was is, well, so we went to the country when I was about five. We, we, mum and dad basically were strange creatures and they chose to just do the exact opposite of what one would expect.

So we went to Scotland and we lived in a house basically as big as the room that we're in, which is not a massive room. All six of us, one toilet, you know, like all of the four children at that stage in one room, bunk beds, you know. And so we moved from London and we moved to a round house in the middle of a forest in the south of England. and we shared a bedroom me and Mary and my other sister Heather and our youngest brother lived in a cot in the dining room and you know

you'd bump your head in the morning and all that kind of stuff why am I telling you this? Oh and so what happened was not only did we get to a stage where we could, I think you just all lived on top of each other so Mary became like 14, 15, 16

and had all her friends and I was like can I be your friend, can I be your gang? And it was just like no back off you're really annoying and these are my friends and these are my clothes. But they're still all your friend. But then they're all my friends. They're like me more away.

But the point of being is that I remember. So we never separated. A harsh kind of competitiveness at that age, it was just like, no, you can't borrow my jeans. That was harsh enough for me. And then. Like typical sibling. Like this is just annoying. I'll design my...

Get out of my stuff. I'll screw you. And then you'll want my jeans. But then I'm... Then I think there was probably when we both started to find our careers, I think unspoken, which we don't really talk about, there was probably a bit of a sense. You know, then I went to St. Martin's. I was in London. You were in London and we both kind of a bit, you know, we were had a bit of a bit of, you know, we were having a bit of, you know, we had, I was doing fashion, you were starting to do photography. We never fell out. But I think we secretly were a bit like to. Like when you went to chlorine, I was taking care. Yeah. I mean, it's true. I think we, we've always supported each other very much. So not just shot those in my career, my young campaigns, like early campaigns. Yeah.

She did some of my best campaigns. Oh, cool. It's good fun when we work together because, you know, we're both quite tough on ourselves. We're like anything you do, you want to do it better. We like, did I do it? You know, so with Stella, it wasn't like, oh, I'm taking pictures with Stella. It was like a proper shoe. It was like she, as a client, she would always let you as an artist as a photographer go further than most other people would.

like she'd let it be dark and you didn't have to overlight things and it doesn't have to show the clothes off so much it can be a vibe. So I've always loved working with stuff. I just think it's really fun too because Stella, you know, from my perspective as well and probably the same because I mean we were right out of high

was right out of high school and we were so little. And but like the love for the art of like fashion. I mean it was always like you were. were always doing it. You were always in a vintage store. You were always looking at old lace. Like, I remember being in Paris with Stella, we were like vintage shopping. Like, no matter where we were, you were always creating, even before, you know, these were Chloe days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was nice is that first campaign we did together with Kate Moss. We used

mum, I used mum's Polaroid. Yeah, I had 10 by 8. I used mom's 10 by 8 camera and we had all Polaroid film. So it's like a proper. Yeah. But I remember actually doing that shoot. You did that shoot with... Oh, yeah. For another magazine? That double-page spread.

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Like, do you have that first piece that you ever designed? I don't know where it is, but I remember it. I was 12, and it was the first thing I designed and made. And even then, it was the faux suede, so it was completely part-based and vegan. And it was like a very 80s bomber jacket and, like, sand pink with, like, a reverse of all. And you made it. I mean, you made it yourself. Yeah, I don't know where it is, though.

I need to find it. I'm sure it's somewhere. You know, the thing is, is there's very few people. you know that if, like, talk to talk, walk to walk from the very beginning. And like the foundation of your guys' life, food, the kitchen, organic farm, being a vegetarian, incorporating that into your world, into your business, all the environmental stuff. I want to talk about how your mom created that for you guys. What was that like as a kid?

And did you reject it? Were there moments where you were like, I want to be like every other kid, you know? No, mom loved cooking in the home. The kitchen was the part of the home, like, classically. And when they became vegetarian, they were like, we're going to become vegetarian. And because we were eating lamb and we looked out in Scotland and we, like, connected that we were eating lamb, but we were looking at cute lambs. So they were like, look, we don't want to cook. Mom's like, I don't want to cook meat anymore.

And so then Dad was like, we were like, what do you do then? And as a whole on the plate, what are we going to eat? So we've grown up as a family always discussing that. And I think, Mom, I think that was the great thing about Hirsch's a great cook. And, you know, we both meant to cook watching her. Mary now has her own, you know, plant-based TV show that you've been on. And you know, and I've been on. And Oliver's next.

I'll be on it. But you, I ate shit and nearly died. I'd have to wear that t-shirt for it. That's what I wear on the show. Shit is plant-based. Yeah, it is. Well, it depends on... At the time, at the time in the womb, it was definitely...

It was definitely secular as well, if you look at it that way. It's like it ticks all the... Right. It was vegan shit. Yeah. So I think it's funny, it was always the heart of the home. So food was like, we were... Kitchen was the only thing.

You know, it was everything. And, you know, it's funny. I found a photograph the other day of me. I'm probably one year. I'm not even one. And Mum's in Scotland over the cooker and she's leaning over, looking in the other. And I'm like drained on her back.

And it's just so cute. It's like I'm in an all in one. It's like, oh. But I think all of that stuff, it was, it's just was the, and I think it, we came to come from a very creative family. And food was creative. It was part of the creative process.

It wasn't a necessity. It was like creativity. And also it's about, I think, you know, when they start to stand like, we're not going to eat me, it wasn't like, okay, we're not going to eat them. It's like, what are we going to eat then? How are you going to do it? And that's what I love about our family is they'd be like, what are we going to have for the festive holidays? We need something to slice. What are we going to have for? Because we never wanted to be apologetic and make it be like, oh, to be to not to eat cruelty free means that you eat taste free. That is not anything we've ever abided by in our family. Yeah, and I think it's true. You know, not only is it a creative family, but it's a go-get-and-type of family. And I think, you know, mum created her food brand, her vegetarian food brand in 1991. And again, it was completely unheard of. That was pretty embarrassing.

It was like vegetarian sausages and veggie burgers. None existed in the world, I don't think. That one brand in America that was for religious reasons. And so food was not only the home of, you know, the heart of the home, brought us all together. and tasted really good, but it also became a kind of point of difference, we were made fun of, I mean, I was thinking, yeah, mom and dad, were they the first celebrities on The Simpsons? Like that, I want to find out. No.

No, I don't think so. But they were, Mama, I didn't think that. But anyway, that was a little bit vegetariany, and it was like, you know, there was always a bit of a kind of, we had to stick up for ourselves a bit. It was like, no. But you know what's great now is it's not like, because it was. would you like for dinner and then people are like, are you having to go at me? Like, I've never met you like, so you sit next to someone. It's like, I'm not having to go at you.

But now it's very much more of a different world. Like, you can have conversations. Were you guys ridiculed and stuff because of it? You know, I mean, you were seriously the pioneers. We had a lot of bad food. It was like, you were over-punished and like, you know, we don't really eat stuffed peppers or cookies. We literally, if you give us a bag of vegetable, we're like, oh, really like, it's punishment. But it still exists. It's still there. You know, if you go on an airline, the food is still like, I mean, I have to say, I'm surprised. I don't think I'll mention the airline, but you know who you are.

They don't have my part base milk. It's like, what is that? How can they're not turn into milk in everywhere now? Like, that's nuts. Yeah, it's nuts. The idea that's like, no, normal, and I'll have normal. It's like, what is that? Like, even when, even when, like, the most Western, Western doctors are now saying,

you know what, we probably shouldn't be drinking so much milk. Then maybe everybody else needs to have some plant-based milk. Yeah. I mean, and it's not like we're very much, like, we and mum was very good at this, actually. And we both learned a lot watching and observing that, because you don't, you know, if you tell people what to eat and you tell them off, You make them feel bad. You're just going to get them in the back foot.

They're going to hate you. They're going to get aggressive and be defensive. So it was always like trying to just go, hey, just try this, see if you like it. Or don't even say it. Like my vegan shoes and my vegan bags, you would never know that my, you know, I put a mushroom, I put the first ever mushroom leather bag on the runway in March in Paris. And you would never know it's maybe, you know. And that was always our little kind of secret.

Psychedelic mushroom? And I think that this is also like you, you, you can lick the bag. That's part of the... You're speaking all over his language. But the thing is, is that you were always like that. Like, there was no, you weren't the friend that was like, you know, ever getting on me for eating a piece of meat. But I think the... Try and entice you in, though.

Or entice it's sort of like showing how to cook something that's quick and easy. Yeah, like you started, when we started talking about Meatless Monday years ago, you know, and you started the whole meatless Monday thing. And you can back that up with science. With science, talking about the importance of taking not only a day off meat for your own health, but the environment, what that does for the environment. There's so much that leans towards more of a plant-based living. That's an important thing for everyone to talk about versus it becoming like a war

between the meat eaters and the plant-based eaters. Does it feel to you that divine? is better now. For me, I feel a bit less sort of put upon. I feel like we are able to talk about it and not be as judgmental of each other. Do you feel? Oh, yeah, yeah. To play devil's advocate just for a second and it's a question. Let's just say that meat went away. And now let's say that we need to plant enough vegetables to sustain life on earth as far as consumption goes. So now we're dealing with potential pollutions, how do we have sustainable arms to feed billions of people? She knows every. I've got this.

Technology is the savior of all of this. You know, now you're looking at, you know, growing in small units, using artificial light sources, you know, this, the technology will be the answer. And also, you know, growing in large, vertical farming. Less electricity. Less people. Less people, not less people, not less jobs. creating new jobs, creating new economies, not cutting down on rainforests, not killing beautiful, innocent creatures. I think that's one of the things that gets missed. And also, one thing that I think gets missed on one thing that I think resonates with people that perhaps a little, you know, on the fence, is a human rights issue as much as an animal rights issue. If you look at the meat

trade. Do any of us want to work there on a minimum wage, if not slavery, to be honest, in some of the places in the world? I'd rather clean out toilets in an airport, quite frankly. Like, there is a question also of human rights and actually the disease-ridden environments that people are living in, let alone the billions of innocent creatures that get killed. And we don't need that many carrots, quite frankly. We don't need this much meat, you know. But could we eliminate the Monsanto's, you know what I mean? From a practical point of view, I think, for instance, the soya that is growing on the planet, the majority of the soya and the land is fed to cattle to then. So I don't think that's a practical way of doing it.

And also, in my belief, and I think Stella 2, I don't think there is an easy answer. It is, I think we all admit, not anyone doing it for the wrong reasons, but it is a very broken food system and there's no easy solution. So it does need to be about people. coming together and tidying. And realistically, I think most everybody that really, really studies this and, you know, much more honest than us, agrees that animal proteins are not being way forward. I mean, I've never met anybody that ever says that. You know, we have a much greater chance of living longer if we eliminate our animal protein.

Yeah. Like that is, we know that. Even fish? Yeah, I mean, you know, you can, there's, there's, it used to be a fish industry is the most saying, have you watched, have you watched, have you watched C-Spiracy? Oh, yeah. Oh, I haven't seen it. Oh, my God.

I'm running it down. It's a really good, it's a really good documentary. It's the most depressing side effect of people not eating meat. The oceans are just annihilated. And they are one of our greatest sources of oxygen on this planet. I mean, I think, and the farming of fish, I mean, it is dark, dark, dark. The problem is it's so polluted and so, so sort of Frankenstein now that it's a hard one. It's sort of it all needs to become.

It's funny because it's about changing minds through sort of the education of health, but it's also, it's commerce, it's capitalism. I mean, that's really what it is because if there was no money in tuna fishing, then they wouldn't do it. If there was no money in shark fins, they wouldn't do it. So it's like you've got to get to the root of it in a sense. You have to replace bad industry with good industry if we are to survive. And we all know that. I mean, if one of the biggest growing, you know, businesses over the last few years, it has been plant-based food. If you look at the, you know, possible bones, those are the investments that people wish they may. Rather they give a damn about the planet or damn about

cows, you know what I mean? So the same will happen. It will happen. yeah it's just moving it's moving in that direction yes and and and the thing that thing is it's very complicated and there's so many facts and there's no real answer and it would just be great if everyone sort of accepted that it's the broken system and tried to figure out a really practical way because there's not that much time to get it together now so christie hines does this great thing she does this thing with this like you know about it's some happy cows and so it's not saying you can't drink milk, you know, it's just, it's a tiny little community of cows that are pregnant. They're

allowed to be pregnant. Take a little bit of the, you know, a little bit of the, you know, milk if you want it. But you don't kill the towel, take the baby away, make it better. You know, there's no hormones. There's no antibiotics. So it's just this not like a good, but it doesn't make money. But it doesn't make money. And it's, you know, but that kind of way of. Is there, it's the Ahimsa dairy and it's run, it's in Rutland, in England. They can't fill their demand. No? It's amazing.

They can't fill their demand because it's beautiful and it's pure and it's the way. Yeah. This is where we're at. Going back to our upbringing, no, some, we had this incredible, you know, mom was a great cook. So just before we became vegetarian, she was a great cook. And then she would experiment and we'd all talk about things. And then people would come for dinner and they'd be like, well, look, if I could eat like this,

if I had a meal like this every day, then I would eat more meat-free cooking. so eventually she ended up doing cookbooks so she could just say someone here you can eat like this because here's all of our family recipes so i think for us that's the way it sort of i find it i find personally that it can become quite dark and depressing thinking about the industry and i can't do much about that personally except say look the way to do it is by stopping demand i think as a single person and so therefore we can give you recipes. We can come up with ideas. Let's talk about things. Let's get excited about food eating meat in the right way and try and make it a bit more. Otherwise, it gets very doom and bloom, I think. So this is an exciting one for me and for you, Kate. We are actually partners. Partners with investors. We actually put our harder money into this company. That's right. That is right. That is Right. So Future is an app. It is an app that is designed to keep people accountable to their fitness program. Oliver, you want to explain?

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unfortunately, people have experienced. But you guys were quite young. How old were you when your mom was diagnosed with breast cancer? Diagnosed is a question. Diaged another. Mid-20s? Yeah, I mean, she, the diagnosis, I never really got. That was always together as well.

She actually passed. Stella and I shared a bed that night when we found out that news. I remember, I mean, she passed away when I was 27, number 29. And she'd sadly suffered four years. five years, two years. Two years, but wasn't it? Oh, I felt like it was so much. It felt like forever, but it was two years. It was only two years. And did that, yeah, did that bring you guys really close? Yeah, I mean, I think those moments, sadly, everything is just to return to each else. Yeah, and I think, you know, if you don't have that, I mean, I think we have a thing in our

family, it's like health as wealth and really nothing else matters. So we, you know, know we all have crazy lives and we all can get riddled with anxiety and fit you know all these things and something tiny can just be the biggest biggest you know problem of a day and um i always i think that's one thing as a family it's like it doesn't matter what happens nothing compares to that so it kind of puts things into perspective to say the very least um and i think that it definitely brought us all much closer together i think the other thing for us no no my daughter did me every night she's so good because she still wants me to me. You know what I'm saying. She's just hurting me. You know what I am what is interesting for us and a lot of people is obviously we couldn't tell anyone.

So that was, you know, it wasn't like it is nowadays where people are like actually, which is great if they can come out and they can talk about it in the public eye and they can be like this, you know, check yourself prevent this, this is prevented it and you need to, you know, we. very much went into a kind of closed doors. Nobody's can know. You know, it was a very kind of fragile moment, but also there was like nobody, you couldn't tell anyone. So I was at work, you know, we were all just carrying on as if nothing was happening,

which is really shit. Yeah, when she passed, I mean, just internally, like, obviously I know how sad it was, but, you know, of course, but, like, how did you guys, like, was there a moment where it was like... Because it's so soon to feel like the torch was passed, you know. But did that kind of catapult any desire for you like Mary to really move into your work differently

or how you looked at raising, you know, your kids are having kids? She didn't meet any of our kids, unfortunately. I think Stella and I were inspired by the moment we were close to mum. So I think it sort of we had that time. with her to talk to about her career and we talked about food and we talked about art and sort of her, you know, we got to sort of hang out with her to a certain degree. So I think that's a really interesting question though. When did we realize that we were, you know, it was our job to make do her proud? But I kind of, I was doing photography and food with her. I worked

in Mum's archive with Esther. For me, it was maybe a bit of a different thing for you. Because I was like doing exhibitions with her and a few things. Yeah. It was done at yours is probably quite different.

Yeah, when I was in Paris, I was working in, you know, I was heading up a brand in Paris at the time. And so it didn't really occur. I mean,

again, we'd always, we'd always, we'd never compromise. I think that's one thing I was aware of, regardless of the question, is that not working in any way

with animal products, I was the only one in the fashion industry. for sure, and I still won't very few. But 25 years ago, I was certainly, I was an absolute freak of nature. And I was really aware. I remember becoming aware in an interview one day.

I was like, oh, that is the privilege that I was given in my chosen profession. That's where privilege really comes into play, that I didn't have to compromise my belief system for my choosing career. And because there's a lot of people who work in the fashion industry that don't want to work with animal products, but they have to do to pay the rent. So I think I was doing that anyway because, you know, I would never do, never, you know, be a hypocrite and work with animal products. But I think there became an age where I, after Mum passed away, where I was quite aware that there was more magnitude and weight to what I was doing.

And actually, I could do much, much more with it. Yeah, she wanted to do her proud. She would be so proud of the legacy of what my God started. Yeah. Oh, do you want to know, do you want the tears or what's going on here? I just, well, I just think that, I think that there's, you know, you guys have lived and have led extraordinary lives. It's very rare, right?

So I think it's a really interesting thing. Yeah. We want to do her proud. We want to do her proud. Like with the cooking show. As you say now, though. I've never, I've never been on TV presenting a co-be. show and to be asked me to do that. Suddenly it's like, well, do you want to do the first ever

vegetarian cooking show on Discovery Plus? It's like, uh, scared, but we have to make my proud. It's like, yes, this is an amazing opportunity. But you're not only, I think it's tied into, we're not only making our parents bad and mum who's obviously not here and she's watching us right now. We're making her proud. She'd love this more than anything. Also, mum would be the first person to say, fuck it, don't do anything. You're all like really busy and stress and we've got eight children between two rooms and give it a break, you've proven yourself. Like, mom would be like, why are you still doing this, number one?

Yeah, go into the country and go enjoy your life. But I think also there is definitely an aspect of having children and having the mom we had, and she was the best mom and the most loving, natural, unaffected, like pure angel mom. So I think there is definitely, when I'm screaming at my children, going, ha, ha, how do you fuck?

And I thought, oh, maybe I could possibly reflect upon what my mother might do. You feel mom going, honey, he didn't plan to have kids at that point. I literally, mom died. And a week later, I was like, I am going to become an alcoholic. I'm going to drink. I'm going to get trashed for the rest of my life. And literally, a week later, I, like, probably mom was like, what one thing can I do to stop? I'm doing all that.

And I was literally pregnant a week later. And then he was born in the year. So that kind of started that ball rolling. When was the moment in both of your careers where you were like, you know, I'm a grown up now? It happened gradually because every single one of my reviews and interviews was only ever, what's it like being from McCartney's daughter? And every headline was with a little help from friends.

And like every single thing in my life was like, really, you never ever ended. So I remember, grand. actually coming out of that and then it was like you actually have proven yourself and you know sustainability and all that kind of stuff and um i guess one of the more recent moments is when i actually was invited to get the g7 in cornwall with your president and um as seven world leaders and it was me and prince charles asked me to go and i was kind of like what really like surely you know i just thought, when somebody says it's just you and the seven world leaders and Prince Charles and the Queen, you're like, oh yeah, that's like, really, that's 50 people in a room and

actually I'm busy and I've got a collection to do. And I remember calling dad and saying, oh, my God, I think like tomorrow I'm going down to go, like, it was that short notice. And I remember calling him, actually, I'm a bit nervous. And he was like, oh, you know, just remember they're normal people and they've got a problem and you have solutions for their problems. And I remember I think, oh, I'm a good grown-up now. Not the Time 100 where I, it's that way you're going. Because I'll never do not you again. You were definitely not a grown-up that night.

No, but that was a big moment. The Time 100 was like a coming-out party almost because it was a such a big deal. It was like you and Oprah and, you know. And I do want to hear quickly that story. It's such a traumatic, like I'm sweating. I hate. you, oh, it was the worst night in my life. So basically, I get the time 100. I'm like, I'm

half American, major. This is like, boy, everyone, all my family in America are going to really love me. They're really proud. So I'm like, oh, I need, they're like, you've got a table, bring some friends. So I'm like, Kate, do you want to come? Live, do you want to come? Husband, I can't remember. I literally don't even remember the night apart from the horror. Walking into the room and the woman from Time 100, the cellar, oh, you know, we were wondering if you could just say a few worse like there's a couple of people will get up that are receiving the time 100 and you've just say a couple of us like one memory that inspired you from your child and I'm like blood comes out my bottom and like what do you mean like you can't say no but you're like what do you mean oh it's

no big deal did her they like just busk it just bust it and like no biggie no biggie no biggie look at her face look at it's like drawing up blood so we go to the table and it's like the night begins, and they're like, and the first person to get up and speak, Michelle, freaking Obama. So Michelle Obama gets up, she's on a podium, she gets on stage, she's like, a big room. She's just got in. They've just got in. It's like a week after they get into the White House. The guy who writes all the speeches is getting a time on action. I'm like, okay, so that's the first person to get up with this little impromptu speak. Second person to get up, Oprah Winfrey. So Oprah gets up and she gets every time 100. She's like, and she's like, and she's,

She's Oprah Winfrey. So she's like, one, one, one, one. And then I can next, Stella McCartney. And literally... She'd have followed Oprah. Oh, my God. It was like, okay. Oh, my God.

She'd follow Michelle Obama. And Oprah. And Oprah. I cannot remember one word that I said. All I remember is looking down occasionally at Kate. And she was like... She was so horrified. My husband going...

People were just like, what the fuck are you saying? And I remember looking around it and they had all the screens and all I could, they just had me on every screen. And I was like, it was a very... It's like an acid trip. Yeah, it really was. It was a very unprepared big moment that wasn't expected. Did you come through or did you not?

She did. Yes, you did. It was fine. It was fine. She did. It was a disaster. And I don't remember one word that I said, you know when you're mid-speech and you don't even know what's coming out of your mouth, it was that moment where you're like, blah, blah, blah, and you can't even hear words. I mean, it was, it was horror.

But horror. You blacked out, basically. She blacked out. You blacked out. I mean, she did. It was like a blackout. But, you know, I've watched you grow up, right? And so I've seen from, you know, but there's a, there's a, there's a, you know. there's something that I think will always set Stella and Marion and the whole family apart from everything else, which is there is this, like, just honest. You're always honest. You really do believe in what you guys believe, and you follow through with everything that you do. And you're all so committed to your families, no matter what. And, like, that I think comes through in everything that you guys do. You really are carrying this. You really are carrying this.

the legacy, which is why I said that, you know, I think your mom would be more than proud. She would, she's just, she is. She's just shining on you guys all the time, you know. And what, and what's it like to be Paul McCartney's daughter? We get by, we get back to my friends. Mary, tell us about the new cookbook that you're doing. I want you guys to be one of my, um, subjects because basically I'm coming up with a recipe and then I'll come to you and bring it to you. we eat it together, I take portraits of you, and then it'll be the art.

It's called Feeding Creativity, so it's creative people. You all have to be. Anecdote from the day and the recipes, and so that, I'm working on that with Tashon, so that'll be a whole time. Actually, one thing that I did yesterday that I kind of realized it was quite cool, actually. I kind of underplayed it. It's some international women's month, and I just designed, for me, Minnie Mouse, the first ever

pantsuit. She's actually not an insurance. Oh my God. That is great. That's the cutest thing. You know, Ronnie's like obsessed with Minnie Mouse, which is weird because we don't watch I'll hook you up. Yeah. But yesterday I was like I had to talk about it. And I was like, actually, that's kind of amazing. Not only is it an animal, but one of the most famous female animals. And she's only ever been in a dress. God damn it.

We ought to do the speed round. One word to describe the other. as a child. Stella was very funny. Oh, one word. Okay. That's okay. Stella was funny. Can I do this too?

Entertaining. Stella was bossy, but I am too, which is why we're really... Mary's perfect. And case. Fucking bitch. Okay, one word to describe the other now. Friend.

Yeah, Mary, best friend. Oh, you guys. Yeah, we love each other. One word to describe your childhood. Chaotic? Yeah, I would say one way to do our childhood would be opposites. One minute, you're going to feel the next minute you're in a 200,000, just opposing. Yeah.

That's not, we're not very good on the one word. I hate this shit, by the way. Favorite place, favorite place to be as a kid. Scotland. We could have said that at the same time. One, two, three. Scotland. Scotland.

Who's more spontaneous? We're both quite similar. I don't know. I would find that hard to answer. Who's more typing? See how spontaneous my answer was. I went, well, I would say that we're both sort of similar. So I don't know, let's, I feel like, at these days, we kind of do things spontaneously together.

We're like, why, we're going to go off and do this and stay in the night. We're trying somewhere to do it. Let's give that one to Stell. She's, who's more type A? She's my inspiration. What is type A, alpha? Yeah. Like, who's more like, I don't, come on, guys, come on.

Okay, who is the more creative cook? I'm going to think maybe it's Mary, yeah, yeah. Who is more daring? Maybe Stella, do you think? Back in the day, what are we talking now or past? Just in general. I'm going for it. I don't know.

I think we're both fabulous. It's hard because it's like it's sort of, it's very hard. We don't, we're more of debating. It doesn't mean that the other one isn't those things. Who's a stricter parent? Oh, my. We got a double way of it.

That is so not true. It is really. 100%. Stella thinks Mary is the stricter parent. Mary thinks Stella is the stricter parent. What was your favorite family? I don't make my kids do the homework and the extra things. You make them a bed.

I do make them. I'm obsessed with them sleeping. Food-wise, you're so much better with your kids. What was your favorite family tradition? Birthdays. Christmas. Mm-hmm. Favorite book as a kid.

Charlotte's Webb. Eloise at the Plaza. I love that. Oh, that was one of mine. Oh, my God. First childhood crush. Jean Wilder. She's thought of her.

I loved Gene Wilder. Gene Wilder. Oh, my God. That's the best. That's the best childhood crush ever. Gene Wilder. I don't know. I don't know. Adam and the Ants

or like really idle or someone. Actually, Bowie. Bowie all the way. Uncle David. A little bit ancestral and weird. First kiss. My first kiss was Luke one. Hi Luke.

Hope you listening. Mary? Mine was just any boy during kiss chase. We played kiss chase before school and I just kissed. Any boys, any boys that called me, I would kiss. There's somebody called kissing girls, where we run, and the girls would be like, yeah, and I'm like, I tripped, oh, no. First concert is, can't happen with you guys.

First concert that wasn't the Beatles. Ooh, probably David Bowie. I went to, my sister Heather took me to see. I don't know. No, actually, me and Stella went, I have a really childhood memory of us going to a queen concert in Wembley Stadium. And then because mom and dad took us to the after party, and it was like, I remember opening,

they took us to the thing and we had to go to bed because the hotel door was opened and it was like Elton John and somebody else there. And I was like, you have to go to bed. Elton's nice. And then they were like, you have to go into this room and get asleep. And I was like, they did that cool. Oh, my God. Last question.

Do you want to ask it? So it's a two-part question. We've asked this to pretty much everybody. If there's something about your sister, what is that one, what is that thing that you would love to take from, meaning to emulate, meaning something that she has that you wish you did? And on the flip side of that, what is something that you would like to alleviate from your sibling to where you wish that if that was gone, their life might be a little easier. Well, I can answer that first goal of Mary.

I think Stella is, as I said before, I think she's incredibly funny. And she really, literally, I think if she wasn't a fashion designer, she should be a stand-up comedian. So I often am like, I wish I could be as funny as her. Literally, she is the person that makes me laugh and just so clever and funny. And if I was going to alleviate something, it would definitely be to sort of take any anxiety away from her and stress. I would say the same for alleviating.

And for what I would want of yours, nothing. No, just the calm, unconditional overview that you have. You're very good at processing and coming out quickly at a very specific, pure, uncomplicated, but the right answer. did you get what then i didn't get that i got it they got it i'm going to work on it i love you guys thank you i miss you thank you for coming on our podcast and sharing your relationship sibling revelry is executive produced by kate hudson

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