Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Taye and Gabriel Diggs

Episode Date: December 18, 2019

Taye and Gabriel Diggs join Kate and Oliver on this week’s episode of “Sibling Revelry.” They each share their different perspectives on their childhood, how their age gap and circumstances caused them to only become close once they both reached adulthood, and discuss how the arts became an escape. Taye and Gabriel also provide advice to other siblings who may have had a challenging childhood.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Proof of Life on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie.

Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling rivalry. That's good. So on today's episode, you're going to hear a conversation with TAY and Gabriel Diggs. Tay and Oliver, they've known each other for a long time. Many, many, many, many years. Almost 20 years. You've gotten to know Gabriel.

I've known Gabriel. I didn't know him in this capacity. I mean, we obviously got into some deep stuff, but I've known Gabriel. He was honestly the most beautiful. He's like a shining bright light. Ray of sunshine. It's amazing.

The most optimistic person I think I've ever encountered. I was so taken by him. And he really does. He has that optimistic gene. I just loved him. And Tay is just as equally as bright. I mean, how about that, man? Well, and they really opened up about their childhood, and it's one of our, I think, more serious episodes that we've done so far.

Yeah, all this stuff, but it was interesting because I've known Tay for a long time, and our relationship is deep, but it's also very funny. I mean, we live in comedy and we like making each other laugh, and I would assume we would come on here and talk about some interesting things, but we actually got into a space of real depth and them sort of talking about their childhood, how they grew. grew up and the different perspectives, how Tay saw his father one way and how Gabriel saw him another. Tay and Gabriel got a lot closer later in life. So when they grew up, it was different than they got closer. Later in life worked together. And honestly, this was a joy of a podcast for us. And I think there was some real funny moments or some light moments. But all in all, they really trusted the space. And even Gabriel, I remember one time during the interview, he said, is this all right for me to get to do with Tay? And he was like, oh, yeah.

Yeah. No, it was nice. It was nice that they could actually be that truthful and authentic and open up like that. I also think that stories like that are important to talk about because it lets people out there know that there's ways to heal those moments in your life and the importance of that relationship. I think their story can be very helpful for a lot of people who are maybe listening to this who have gone through similar situations. Yeah. You know, that's why it's so I just, I love when people come on here and they start. talking about things where, you know, they didn't really expect to. And I think that sort of happened in this space. It's about connection. We want to, all we want to talk about is why we become who we become and what our connections were in our life and why this relationship of

siblings is so important. Sometimes we're dealt a hand that is traumatic and very challenging. And then you have a family dynamic that can actually be your great support. system. And I think that's what I gathered from Tay and Gabriel. And I think that they help each other. You know, it's really interesting because there is an age difference. And again, Gabriel's perspective being that of optimism in a sense, I think probably has had an effect on Tay and the way that he has sort of even perceived, his, it was affected his perception even just a little bit. I also just want to like throw this in there. Gabriel is so well spoken. He's so eloquent. He's so lovely he's a handsome man uh so i'm going to start with that i also want to say that tay digs is still so

hot oh god he's so hot it's like crazy i mean honey i'm sorry i'm saying this he is he knows because i've say this in front of danny i mean he doesn't age first of all he doesn't how old is tay now i think he's like 63 he is yeah fine as can be fine but but but but But also, he's just on the inside, too. I mean, the man is just so shiny and positive and fun and hysterical and can dance like a motherfucker. And he's just, you just want to be around him. I know. You just want to be around him.

I have so much fun when Tay, Tay comes around to parties, too, because he is. He danced. We have so much fun dancing with Tay. And he's curious. He's such a good dancer. And he's a curious, curious man. Yes. love that about him and he's not afraid to ask you questions that some people may shy away from

because he's just genuinely curious about how you are how you know how you might think about something yeah it's true i want to get back to his dancing because i don't even mean dancing like he can move i mean dancing like literally dancing oh he's like trained like trained dancing like you could go into a whole routine on the dance floor with tay yeah you know it could go from like having a nice kind of up in the club moment to literally him and I could have like a ginger Rogers Fred Astaire moment you know and I just like oh my god take take my breath away sorry I just have to say that he's um a fine young man he is a fine young man old old 63 year old but he looks great anyway um this is tay and gabriel diggs love you boys

And your brother's trying to find the house right now. While he's not here, growing up was Tay like a good brother? Or was he like a sweet brother? How many years difference are you? Yeah, so there's six years between myself and my brother. And it was, well, since the younger four kids, we're all like maybe a year apart. So we had like a kind of a closer kind of a thing. My brother was like the satellite

And we were always looking up to him And he always had his own friends in the neighborhood I'm probably giving so much He's gonna want to be here to hear all this Knowing him I'll tell him He was like a VIP in the house Oh good here he comes here he comes

I hear he's walking in now I'm so happy I am thank you for doing this oh please Tay and I you know what I just did Because we we just did a podcast Just Katie and I just sit there And she wanted me to end it with a freestyle And so she put a

beat on and that was how we we met basically on a little movie called my new best friend that's right yeah and i met gay back then too when you had dreads yeah really yeah well that's when i met you was way back uh-huh right and we were just sitting here i was getting acquainted with your brow well let's know this is good let's start from the beginning though i i i'm interested of the beginning. So we grew up in Rochester. It's a city in upstate New York, very vibrant and metropolitan place.

How you went ahead. He's laughing. Do you have a nickname? I know. I did have a nickname. My dad used to call me butter. Butter? Yeah, because.

Okay, but not like butter. That's too cool. Like butter. It wasn't like, oh, he was smooth like butter. It was because. somebody couldn't pronounce. I thought you called me brother and then like Shalom was like butter or somebody. Something like that.

I don't know. Oh, it was like butter because of one of these little kids called you brother. Oh, my God. You guys are all full blood. Yes. Well, they are. The four of them are. We don't.

This is you're getting some news here because I'm just recently in the past couple of years admitting. I forgot. And then later in life for some reason people start to ask more often. I am, I have a different father. The four of them have the same mother and father. So we all share the same mother. I was around first, so I saw all of them. Okay, and you didn't know that he wasn't your father?

Was that what happened? No, I knew. Okay, you knew, okay. You knew it was your stepdad. Yeah, yeah, because I met him. Right. But none of us knew. I met him, and it was like, oh, I guess I'm living.

We never got to meet him. So we never knew. Oh, when did you guys find out? I can't even remember the year, but of course not in the beginning. Oh, so you guys didn't know that he was your half brother? Nope. Oh, this is good stuff. Yeah, until way later.

Until way later. And I don't even know. I think, yeah, I think it was like Gregory Street House that we were living in that we figured out. How old were you at the time? Maybe like 11, 12, 10, 11, 12. You were like dancing and singing somewhere at 17, right, while they were figuring out the, you were. half brother. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And not caring. Yeah, no. I mean, because because we didn't, but we didn't treat it. Yeah, I think because it would have been different if he was maybe a younger

sibling, you would have looked him like, hey, you, but he was like the over, you know, we all looked up to him so we didn't care. Yeah, that's what you were saying that it was like them, there were this sort of the younger kids. Right. And then Tay was always like the satellite. He was this. I'm like a God. I'm like a, yeah. Like a Jesus. Yeah. Or I'm a Messiah. You're like me. Exactly. I'm sort of like Jesus. Black Jesus.

This is firstborn shit that's happening right now. Oh, yeah. Oliver. First born. We're black Jesus. First born. Both of us together are black Jesus. Yeah.

I mean, the truth is I'm such a, I'm a pretty white Jesus. But I'm Italian. So maybe I could be like an Italian Jesus. So mom's name? Marsha. Dad? Jeffries. Is this full name?

Yeah. My stepdad Jeffries. My real dad's name. was Andre. Andre? Yes. Okay. And then there's five of you, you're middle.

Give us the where you grew up. What did the house look like? Yeah, the rundown. The rundown. The kids. What it was like to be a family, good, bad, the ugly. It's a good title on the rundown. We moved around a lot.

Right? Yeah. I mean, you're going to get two different sides. Yeah, you are. Because there's the way I remember it and the way Gabriel remembers it. All right. Why don't we go? Outside of them.

Let's go. young brother first all right i want to hear your perspective is interesting so the house that i was born was it a north glen drive i think but i don't remember i was way too young so i didn't know anything about that house where you were born yeah we were there for like maybe a couple years or something um and then we moved to a place in a town just outside of rochester called henrietta and it's just an amazing incredible community you know it's quiet upper middle class black folk which is what I write away from my prescription. Okay, but like sidewalks?

Was it like a sidewalk street smaller? It was a development. Yep. So the way my mom told us about it, they wanted to make this like a kind of mini city where it had like a dentist in there and a library and schools in there. It was like a new concept that I think HUD was developing.

And we didn't know this. As kids are just like, hey, we're going outside and play. But it was perfect. It was quiet. It was very safe. Yeah. Very safe. And that was like your primary.

That's what we remember. The most, the best memories are kind of. And what about your other siblings? Like, were you guys close? As I was remembering close? From my perspective, the four of them were close. I always felt like the babysitter. So I didn't consider myself close to them.

I couldn't stand being around them because it was like I was baked. You know what I mean? So I had to make the best of it. So whatever I was doing, they had to do. So we'd play soccer We'd play mostly soccer Yeah you played a lot But you know

Once I was able to get out I got out Oh you didn't fuck with them yet Oh really? Yes That was that Yeah No yeah

It was a lot You were old enough To where it was like You had four younger siblings That were all around the same age And you were like six years older than them And so you were relied on to take care of them Not relied, expected.

Expected. And you were like, fuck this, basically. There was no choice. You couldn't really have a childhood yourself. Yeah. A little. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Something like that. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, it was a child. Gabriel's like, yeah. I mean, it was, you know, it's what is a childhood. But I just remember, you know, there were really cool people that I wanted to hang out with that I had the opportunity to, but couldn't all the time because I had to mess with them. Or get them to play with everybody, which sometimes they would do.

And how did Gabriel stack up as far as having to watch all four? Do you remember him specifically? Like, he was the easy one? Easy, yes. Easy, easy. Everybody was kind of easy because my father was very, was quite the disciplinary. He was. He just spanked?

Oh, we got beat. Beat down. Bell? Yeah, yeah. Bell, anything. Really? Yeah, yeah. You guys were basically scared of your dad.

Not basically. We were scared. It was fear driven. Fear driven. Is he still alive? No. Pass the way. No, no, no.

Okay. And so you feel comfortable talking about? 100%. And that may have something to do with crying these days because not a tear was shed by me. Did you get emotional when your dad died? I did like just because, I don't know if it was because of like some kind of spiritual connection. But the night of I was at a party and I was really emotional. I was like, oh my God, I need to go visit my dad and, you know, whatever.

We knew he had cancer. He was dying of cancer. So I was like, oh, I need to go visit him. And then the next morning, my mom was like, oh, he just passed away. So I never, like, you know, cry, like, oh, my God, you know, because it was that kind of tough relationship where he was always really strict and didn't let us get too. He would be close at times, but at other times he didn't know how to deal with things. What was his upbringing?

Do you know? Have you ever delved into that? Worse than ours. Yeah, he never really told us, like, everything. My mother told me, mom told us. me that and this was I guess to remind us that we didn't have it so bad his mother

would throw like an iron at him the mom yeah really oh I didn't know about that when you're searching inside of your family for forgiveness or for trying for understanding you do end up going into realizing that it's just patterns isn't it it's just like

sheer patterns and those things make me what you are like you guys are here and probably people realize that yeah yeah that's that's within their own families and outside because I feel like and not to take away from what you're saying in any way but we don't we're so quick to judge people before realizing that before realizing okay what this person did was awful but it doesn't stop at this person so let's not treat it like he just invented all these awful things exactly and when you can truly understand

that you find forgiveness something yeah there's a compassion and a forgiveness it sort of happens when you think about your dad and what he had to grow up with and Grandma Odo, right? Oatsey. O'Doozy. O'Doozy. O'Doozy. Grandma Outsi throwing irons at your dad, it's like, oh, God. I mean, it doesn't you.

Yeah. How can you not? Yeah. Yeah. I never, you know, was angry at him or blamed him. I just kind of saw it as, I don't know, I have this thing to be able to be objective. a lot and i don't know where that comes from but he's mr kind of a little bit mr like buddha brother yeah like so so so i always just kind of was like what's you know what's your story you want to know

know but at a young age you can't engage like that you know what about your mom though i mean i've met she's she's she's incredible amazing woman i want to meet your mom she's awesome yeah she's incredible but how did she deal with that i mean because to watch her kids you know go through that kind of shit you have those moments where it's like mom like you're supposed to protect me from this shit never no no because they were on the same page both my parents were yeah right there like neck and neck disciplinarian you know which honestly yeah i like personally i really enjoyed i mean the beatings weren't something to smile about but the structure yeah the structure they were always there for us they always loved us they never would curse or say anything out of anger at us so that for me was like a really beautiful place to

grow up you know yeah i know i know but yeah your experience is way different it was so funny i love i'm i'm so happy no one had the experience that i did did you have a different perspective you know how gabe was like no i didn't look at my mom that way oh 100 percent you did because i came in i came in it was me and my mom's how old were you by the way five four four um so then there was like this strange cat that was kind of forced upon me my mother was like you're going to take his name i remember oh yeah not yeah not wanting to take his name and i remember distinctly she's like hug and i hug your father hug didn't want to hug um she made me take made me uh his middle name so it was scott leo digs and i remember not

wanting that whole configuration but then being forced and then it was like oh me and my mom against him and then it was me against my mom and him and then i was just watching the everything else kind of play out because it was like they all had something in common i didn't so it was like the odd man out i felt sometimes like the help kind of you know what i mean so that was yeah so getting out was a good nice thing 100% yeah once i found i had a little bit of talent yeah just get me to disney Japan. Yeah, that was years later. That was years later.

Yeah, we'd actually moved away at that point. You moved away. Yeah, like our family. So we had moved from Rochester down to Mississippi at the time. So this is way later because you went to Syracuse and that was separation. You went to Syracuse College. Yep. The arts, I'm assuming, became the great outlet for you.

100%. And what part of the arts? Was it singing? Was it dance? All of it. the whole thing. Yep, yep. My mother, through, you know, raising us and negotiating between the stepdad and how he was

disciplining everybody and her, I could tell, not really agreeing with it, but wanting to be on the same side. That's what I saw. So Gabriel saw two parents, you know, a united front. I could see my mother not wanting this man to beat her children. You mean like once we came along or before? Both. I saw it with me because he started spanking me

and I could see that she was because she grew up very religious. Religion also plays a major part. Huge part. With your stepdad, with your stepdad with your dad and everybody. With the idea of disciplining with the idea of my mother being you know on the same side as my dad

with us being a family unit and not having anybody come in between it in between us in between us regardless of if they were right or wrong. Right. There was no wrong if it came in between the family. You know what I mean? Right.

So that's where I was coming from. Yeah. What were the escapes of this? Because it sounds like it was pretty. Okay. It started with my mother. She went back to school. She waited until we were a certain age, all of us,

and then went back to school, literal university, and studied theater and dance. And that's when we were exposed. in a major way. We saw her happier than she's ever been. Amazing. We've seen since I wasn't able to get away and hang out with my own friends,

when she would bring us to her rehearsals, I would see how my mother was interacting with these crazy, carny type, you know, just really funny. The girls were pretty, great bodies. They were dancing. The guys were funny. Everybody was helicry.

Uninhibited. Oh, man. The freedom. Yeah. And you get Gabriel, did you witness this stuff too? I always say it's that slight, especially in the world of dance and things like, it's like there's a little bit of like that rebelliousness. Oh, totally.

We belong to a different kind of people. Nobody cared. And did you connect to this as well, this sort of lifestyle? Yeah, I mean, just from kind of a remote, you know, really little kind of perspective. But I liked it. I loved it. It was just exciting. And, you know, everybody had stories to tell.

And, yeah, just exciting to be, you know, behind the scenes and see all these shows my mom did a lot of theater and yeah it was it was incredible and she loved it did you see her did you see a shift in her when she started doing that were you too little yeah yeah so so my dad did have kind of a an overbearing kind of depressed you know very glum personality and my mom is very light you know so when yeah when we get outside the house it was just ah the weight slipped it and everybody's happy you know so yeah i did see that when tay left did that affect you at all um not really because because he always had his and and and i say that to say he was at the age where he was well out of the house at this point he was going to syracuse so he

wasn't at home right i mean and he had all his homie shane and all these amazing people so we weren't able to hang a lot you know what i mean um mostly it was all the four younger kids were in elementary school we'd walk to school every day so so that was our life and and then my brother was doing his thing And like he said, he didn't, he wanted to have his own thing anyway. You know what I mean? And I wouldn't want to go bug. Did you visit him as Arugus? Not really.

I think we did the initial drop off, which was really exciting. That was it. Yeah. And then taste. That's when it was a little, and I didn't realize how weird it was that I didn't want to. Enter back into that. I didn't check in with my mom. I didn't.

Yeah. I never expected you like growing up and seeing, you know, how everybody was kind of forced under this thing. Uh-huh. When you could go to your own thing, I was happy for it. I was like, yeah, you know, do your own thing. Yeah, yeah. Did you feel like a bit excited for your own version of that when you saute leave the house? Like, one day that would be me.

Did you ever happen? I wasn't even thinking about that. To me, like, life has always been kind of this movie happening. Like, I've never been projected like, oh, this is going to happen. And then this. I'm just like kind of watching it unfold. And I think a lot of that has to do with how managerial our parents were over everything we did. And you do this, then you do that.

And then you go to college. And then it was only when I went to school when I first began to think, oh, I can have my own life. I can actually plan and have my own ideas and decide what I want to do. Did you guys lose touch? Yeah.

I mean, we never really had it. Right. I think that that age distance was a big part of it. I was the babysitter. They were my little brothers and sisters. Now they're my friends. Do you know what I mean? But I remember, you know,

when I saw them as like, grown-ass adults that I was you know that I was proud of but up to that point you know it was like when I left they they didn't didn't have that much of an effect on me there was a moment when my mother left as well and then I'm like oh my god they we left them we left them with that horrible man how did they get through when did she leave she who is when it gets yeah so so this is when we were in Mississippi and you were still doing Syracuse. Are you cool to talk about this?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so we moved to Mississippi. My mom was continuing her studies and got accepted at the University of Ole Miss. And so, yeah, so this is incredible because

so there was this United Front in Henrietta when we were younger and then we moved to. Between mom and dad. Yes. Well, yeah, just the whole unit. And then we moved. We got bounced out of this house.

So we got bounced out of this incredible suburb, Henrietta, and into the inner city, into this ghetto-like hood. We were like one of maybe two African-American families in this. Would you agree? In Henrietta? Yeah. Oh, no. I was like, those are, I grew up thinking that black people had money. Oh, really?

Yeah. Yeah, I just remember like two different families, the Dennis is at the bottom. perspective right yeah crazy well either way yeah your experience you went you and then so now you're in mississippi right well so okay so we so we lived in this beautiful house nice uh middle class uh neighborhood and then moved to this hood you know kind of ghetto place and that's when i think the relationship between my parents started to frame i don't know deteriorate yeah maybe i'm you know creating things in my mind But yeah, I saw it kind of, I think because it's like with any relationship when the exterior becomes less fun, you're looking in and like, okay, what is it? You're forced to see what's really going on.

Yeah, and then we're growing up as kids. So all these family dynamics, you know, that you're kind of, and this is what parents have to go through. And mom was, and now looking back, she also, I see her also as a child, she was like the, our father was the king and there were all the, servants and when she kind of found the arts that was more independent yes yes that became he was he was never right yeah control goes right yeah yes so there was that that's when it started and i think she started to see you know that there were other ways to live and then yeah the seed was planted was he abusive to her i don't think so well at the end so when we moved from okay so it was i can't imagine

Yeah, so we moved to the hood and live there, and it was a little bit tough. And then we moved to a really nice place that wasn't, you know, Henrietta, but it was in the, in the middle of the city, but really beautiful. Right. Just our street was really beautiful, had a nice little community. Right. So things were kind of good again, but another big part of it was the religious side that we talked about. And my dad kind of went off on this real strange religious tangent. Purple flame.

Yeah, yep. And my mom wasn't so on board anymore. It was cool when it was just going to church, you know, Sunday's Christianity. But my dad got kind of on this vision quest, you know, spiritual mission and wanted to bring all of us with him. And so my mom was like, I don't know if I'm in with it that much, you know. Yeah. So that was that. And, you know, all these years later, I guess we, you don't know, because my dad never had a psychiatrist, you know, parents.

Yeah. But I think he had mental health issues that he was dealing with the whole way. He absolutely did. Yeah. Yeah. So he became, there was an extreme element to his religious. Yeah. He became extreme, and then I think from my mom, it was discovery as well.

Well, it was, yeah, and from my perspective, it was always extreme. He got fired from jobs. Did you feel like as kids that you had to kind of tiptoe around him? Like, what you didn't know, like, what, it could be great or it could be, like, disastrous? For me, it was just, like, the stuff we got in trouble for was bad stuff. Well, bad stuff, like, you know, not coming home on time or feeling stuff. Or not turning on the porch leg. Oh, right.

Stuff like that. Do you know what I mean? Right. Okay. So. You didn't know when he was going to blow up. So then when did, so in Mississippi. And it wasn't like screaming.

It was very concentrated, very deliberate. Yeah. Deliberate beating. Yeah. Uniformed. There was no losing of the tempers and screaming. I told you. No.

Everything was very justified. You did this. That's it. I told you not to. So you never had a father figure that wrapped his arms around you and said, I love you no matter what I got that I got that from him yeah so that was that was that was that was why I think in my mind I've always been okay so there was always that love and yeah closeness and you know I I always felt loved so the beating of stuff was just like a horrifying thing that would happen but it was never lasting as far as

you know so then with your mom ended up leaving him yeah so okay yeah so we moved to the hood and then to this nice house and then the religious things were starting to cause a rift between that and my dad wasn't even like my brother said he lost jobs you know trying to do because he was like man he had a he was an architect he was in the air force he had cars you know girlfriends all this kind of thing and then just later in life just his mind just started to go this way and just really you know yeah so so that you know so my mom's hanging out people who don't have these issues it's fun it's college you're doing plays everybody's cool but but having that and kind of spreading her wings as as an artist something she always wanted to do since she was a kid and her mom wouldn't let her do

So she's getting all this expression in freedom, expression and freedom. And then to come home to this guy who doesn't know how to exist and have a job and, you know, make ends me. We were on welfare. You know, my dad was going on getting food stamps and all this. So for her, it just was like, okay, yeah, this is not the kind of reality I want to be in. So they were going to split up. I just remembering this. They were going to split up before we moved to Mississippi.

But that move was like, oh, if we move, maybe things will be better. I did not know that. Yeah. So anyway, so it just kind of. So that deteriorated. And then she left and she left you with death. It felt like she just jetted. All of a sudden, she was with a new dude.

All the, I call him the kids were just with my dad. So we were living in this trailer when we first moved to Mississippi. It was like the cheapest thing that could get. And then my dad, so my dad was always this kind of charismatic guy who could get people. Yeah, I could influence people to get him to do. Yeah, yeah. So we got us moved into this like incredible house out in the countryside with cows and, you know, land and all this. So we were there, and then it was good for time.

Then I think once again, the rift started, did you mom? My dad was trying to go to university, trying to shadow my mom and her enthusiasm for, you know, education and all this. But it just didn't last. And so the distance between them was growing and goring. And, you know, my mom had people she kind of leaned on outside of that and was just like, I don't, you know, I'm an adult now. I don't know if it has to be like this way, you know, forever. So she left and moved in with this one dude who wasn't a great guy, unfortunately. For me, my own perspective, I always see things as an adventure.

So whenever there's something new, I'm like, oh, this will be something new. And Gabriel, somebody's like, it's just another adventure. Yeah, another adventure. Mom's with another dude. Yeah, I was excited for her. I was like, hey, this is great, mom. He literally was given, like, this shield of light. Yeah.

Thank God. Is that just your true essence or is there a part of you that uses that sort of as a shield, as a deflection, as a defense to sort of some of the real deep shit that you might be. feeling or not knowing your feeling or the shit that's come out. I guess you don't know until you meet someone or in a certain situation. But from my perspective, like I said, I've always, I don't know if you have previous lives or what. I believe you do.

Yeah. I believe somebody has blessed you. You know, something is. I kind of believe. It's a little bit of both. In many lives. Yeah. You've got to, there is a Buddha quality over here to my right with Gabe that.

Yeah. I never took it too personal, I think, is what I want to get to, where I would just be like, okay, I'm in this situation. I can't leave. It's family. I have to stay. And these are my brothers and sisters. And the fact that I was loved so deeply, I think that just kind of forced out any other kind of feelings or feelings of, you know, sorry for myself or whatever. You know what I mean? That's that's the thing I remember most is just all the love and all the excitement and adventures. Yes, you know, beatings are, you know, horrific and not something you want to think about. But for me, it was just something that happened. You know, it wasn't cool, but it happened. Are you two the closest of the siblings? I am the, I feel like I'm the closest to Gabe because of, we were just, we were both in L.A. And we had, there was a moment where we were very, very close where he was kind of like my assistant when I first started coming to L.A. Yeah, yeah.

For me, it was like this redis, it was this rediscovery thing. after, because I, you know, I didn't know you as a person, you know. So, so growing up, he was a big brother. We always looked up to him like, oh, he's got cool friends and he can play soccer and tennis. Like, he was in everything, man, and performing on stage, you know, so for me, it was just like- pretty amazing. Yeah. It was just incredible thing.

It's so sweet though, your little brother looking up to you like that. And he would take us to the pool and, like, all this stuff. No one, I mean, you know, I look at you, I want to be like you. Yeah. I look up to. Thank you. Oliver, there's things we look up to, like, your freestyling ability. It's incredible.

It's pretty good. You're rhyming. Yeah, I can rhyme. Okay. So, yeah. So we, I think on one of the trips, I think my brother discovered my personality. Yeah. Because you have all the kids together and you're all this one thing.

And then when I, nobody makes me laugh like. Because he remembers the crazy stuff. But he had like, you know, he allows me to laugh at it instead of like, oh, it was so awful. Yeah. So, you know, he's got the imitations of our step, my stepdad, just moments, how we all felt when he would enter a room. Like, we can laugh at it and nobody, it's like there's me and then there's two and two. Gabriel and Shalom, they are the most similar. I feel like some spirit came down and just blessed.

They're so bright and shining and effervescent. And then we have Christian and Michael, and they're a little bit more intense. intense, you know, more emotional, prone to swings. Things touch them differently, more so than they touched even me. And those two, they seem to be having, no, because I think they're a little too similar. Okay. I feel like they are the furthest, I feel like they're the, where I slip into my child, Lisp, just then. Oh.

The further. Yeah. He's reverted. This is the most I've talked about. oh my god you guys at the end I had speech I did too

I didn't at the end of the podcast Kate's gonna be like he's gonna be breastfeeding you're gonna be breastfeeding you're gonna be like at my teeth Tay's like you don't need to pump anymore

it's okay Jesus no that's so funny what's your relationship like now okay you're seeing each other right now what was the last time you saw each other Other than like Saturday.

He caught us on a good, on a good, in a good month. Yeah, because I just saw a couple of days ago. But I still get caught up in, and, you know, and I attribute this to growing up to kind of forgetting who, forgetting that he's here, just getting caught up and then realizing, oh, man, games here. I need to call him up. Just because I wanted to get a, I was like forcing myself to just focus on me for so long that I'll go weeks without connecting. And I've, you know, I have guilt about that. But Gabe's always... And you?

I do my thing. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what I was going to say. So after he went off to school, it was like, okay, he's going to his thing, older brother. But then as we were, as I was maturing and becoming more of an adult, and I think we connected, we were writing. He would write, he would write everybody letters, but then I'd write back. And I think you saw all my letters like, oh, this guys, you know, what's going on here? He's brilliant.

And so, yeah, and so then we connected. And then when I graduated from... college, I moved to New York to do, I wanted to be a DJ, you know, so I moved to New York. I was like, oh, I could maybe start there, you know, major city. And then my brother was like, oh, you know, you're not going to be getting jobs right out of the gate. Maybe I could hire you as my personal assistant. You know, I was like, oh, that sounds like another adventure. I was like, yeah. And so, yeah, so for me, it was, it was incredible re-meeting and really getting to know you for the first time. At what point did Tay start to become someone that your friends, say,

would know that was that your brother you know or like how old were you college or college i want to say i like this line we're going down like when did he become a celebrity when you started working for him as his assistant how established was tate really established he was like stella got a groove back established was this was when he was doing equilibrium with christian bail white movies i was doing white movies in too yeah okay so yeah so he was already. I love white movies. Did you feel like of course to you? Was it like of course Tay? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just seeing everything he had done from School of the Arts in Rochester. I mean, he was a super star. He was like the most famous person at School of the Arts, you know,

and then the most famous people at Syracuse and then Broadway. You know what I mean? So we always were like, yeah, he's going to do big things. Did you ever have any envy or jealousy? No. Like not even a little of it, not even know. Oliver. And you know what? I normally would. Me too. I would doubt that.

Gabe talked to Oliver about this. I know that he's not. I know that that's true. And I know that's no psychological. I know that he's not. I know that. I honestly think that's a rarity. You know?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. How long do you guys go without talking to each other? Because I know that it seems like you do go. It's like you're not, you are not in each other's lives every day. No. But we were. right you were assisting him so yeah you were living together we were roommates you were roommates yeah yeah so then what happened then why we why is there is it's a

comfortable break meaning like if you're not taught if you don't talk for a couple weeks which does it happen a couple weeks yeah you're in l. yeah and then we check in it's just what it is and then we'll make it I'll make it I'll make it I'm we one of us will make it a point to teach other I mean but a couple of weeks unless uh quite please. Yeah, it's just a quiet. The cool thing is, so my brother, he's always got projects and, you know, your family and he's working hard and doing his thing.

And then on my end, I'm working on my own thing, you know, getting things going. So now I just feel pressure to do that and work as much as I can on getting my projects on the ground and do this. And then the times we do spend together are just incredible, you know, we go on vacation, you know. So you got into music. So that became your. So at a young age.

So this is the cool thing about both of our parents. I mean, yes, yes, he got into music. He got into music. Well, no, okay. So let me explain why I say no. When we were really little, our parents put us into music and put us into, they call it orff class where you go and learn on to play xylophone and then go to the recorder. Yeah.

So they put us into lives as musicians and artists at a very young age. And so we were on that track and then going to college, I didn't know what I wanted to be. And my mom was like, oh, you write good poems. maybe it should be an English major, you know. I was like, oh, okay. And so that was my college pursuit. And then senior year I went to London for overseas studies and just ended up in a nightclub dancing.

And right then I was like, I stopped dancing. I was like, oh, wait, I think I'm going to do this for a living. Like this weird epiphany thing. But it all kind of came to fruition because of growing up in music and playing horn and bands and all this all the way up through college. Did you play any instrument? Yeah, trumpet. So you are your, okay, amazing.

Yeah. So I've been a musician my whole life, just not, you know, as a profession or something I said I was going to do, you know, for a career. It was going to be doing English and then see what happened after. And then going overseas to London was like the trigger for that. And then so, and how old were you then? Because you've been playing, you've been doing music for a long time. Yeah. So my whole life around music and my parents would play music in the house and just incredible. But you got into DJing. Right. So DJing specifically was after London. Nightclub doing beats. Producing, like the whole nine yards. And are you still doing that? Yes. And you love it. That's all I do. Yeah, I love it.

And radio? I volunteer. When I first moved out to L.A., have you guys heard of KCRW? Yeah, of course. When I first moved here, people were like, oh, you like drum and bass and dance music. There's this one station you sit here. And they would never say exactly what it was. They're like, oh, we don't know the, it's like 89.7, whatever.

And one night, I was just driving. And I heard this song. I was like, oh, my God, this is. I pulled over. I was like, whoa. And it was KCRW. And so I finally discovered it like a year after somebody told me about it. And I went down there.

So then you started at KCRW. Right. So somebody said, oh, the way you get on the radio is you go down there to volunteer. And so I went down. I signed it to be a volunteer. I didn't hear back from them for like a year. You know, I signed up, didn't hear anything. A year later, they're like, oh, are you still interested in doing this?

I was like, yes. So went down there, volunteered, did some voiceover work with them. They would say, hey, hey, come here. You know, you've got a good voice getting here and talk about this. And then left to do my own podcast. I started my own music podcast, kind of in the vein of KSRW, but a little bit more dance, electronic. And then after that, kind of got a little tired of the L.A. scene DJing. I was doing a residency at the Roosevelt Hotel, the Tropicana, which is incredible, like, every Saturday.

And then got tired of the music scene stateside and was like, oh, I'd been to Ibiza with my brother when we were doing equilibrium. See, my brother's incredible because he... I was listening to some of your... music and I thought you know this sounds like you like a little Europe house yeah yeah drop the foam the foam party game um so my brother was like instrument there's been people all throughout my life who have kind of seen me and said oh okay this guy's got something let's push him that way let's do this you know always there's been people my mom You know, my dad, and so when I graduate,

and my brother took me on this crazy journey over to Europe to film the movie every weekend from Berlin because it was freezing in Berlin. It was snowing, you know. We would hop a plane to Milan, to Ibiza, you know, everywhere. So that was my first thing. Yeah, it was incredible. What movie was this?

Equilibrium with Christian Bale and... Sean Bean, Emily Watson. Emily Watson. Oh, fun. Bill Fickner. Bill Fickner. It was like a law. A version of them, like the Matrix with the gun cadas and karate.

Like Fahrenheit 4-5-1 or something, right? Yeah, yeah. And you guys would go every weekend and go somewhere new. Yeah. That's fun. What time of year was this? Like November. Oh, yeah.

Okay, good. Just freezing good stuff. Did you guys hold hands ever? No. We hugged a lot. We told each other. We loved each other. We did.

Yeah. We were tight. Yeah. So getting back to what I was saying about. I'm just kidding. What? Yeah, no, what happened? But so growing up in a household where everything was orchestrated and tightly, tightly knit and you're told how to feel and what your relationships with each other were supposed to be, it was incredible for me rediscovering you afterwards, getting out of that, you know, first discovering myself going into school, but then discovering you as a person and saying, oh, you know, this is who this guy really is.

We don't, you know, not who dad says you should be or take care of us or whatever. So, yeah, so that's just, I think, a lot of families. experience that to agree. That's cool, but so in a sense, Tay's helped you in a way discover who you were. Yes. Oh, that's great.

Without you even really knowing it, you know what I mean? Like, those are moments where it's like, oh, wow. And because of this experience, I've sort of understood more who I am. I tell them that all the time. I tell everybody, I try to tell everybody in my life, thank you for doing, you know.

We talk about perspective. So my mom's perspective on raising us, she feels so guilty for how some of the siblings responded and leaving us with dad and all this. And I'm like, oh, I'm always like, oh, no, mom was incredible. You're the most amazing mom ever, you know, don't feel too bad. So it's all about perspective. It's all about experience. And everything that happens, obviously, informs where you're at now.

Yes. In terms of how you see yourself, were you an outgoing type? Were you more introverted? Were you extroverted? I was all of it. I was both. I won't say I was I was two two sides both and I think both sides equally contributed to where I am today and to the positives of my life and the negatives do you know I mean? So there was I was very, very shy, very nerdy, very slight, very insecure up until a certain age.

The arts helped but then deep down inside I remember always wanting. I always remember wanting to stand up to our father and never being able to. So I'm sure that kind of manifested itself somehow into the arts. Always wanted to be the guy that was on stage. I always wanted to be the funny guy, cracking all the jokes, instead of the guy that was getting made fun of.

And then through the arts, I literally was given the gift to be that guy. So then once there was no looking back, you know, and then once I was introduced to the gym, and I could have control over how I looked as well, it was, it was, it was a fucking rap. Yeah. For a lot of girls, it was a rap.

Yeah, for a lot of girls, too. Well, I still, but I still have issues. There's a lot of girls that are, including myself, I was like, Te-Dade. All of your friends were T-Dade. You could have got it. You could have got it. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'd be embarrassed. No, for sure. It's okay. She chose Scott Kahn instead. Oliver, okay, so you found freedom. in the arts. Yes. You found you're just, you were just born free.

Did you ever get the chance to stand up to your? Wait, but. Nope. No. This was senior year and I had been exposed enough to after school. I'd spent enough time away from my younger brother and sisters that I was feeling myself. Right. And mom probably gave a little bit help too, right?

Because she was. Well, she was always supportive, always. And always told me that I was going to be, my father actually did this as well. regardless of our, in spite of our relationship, he was always, in the moment, it was awful, but he was always like, you're going to be great. Right, positive reinforcement all the time. There was never a doubt, you know.

There was never a doubt for me. Everybody knew that I was going to do it, so I knew I was going to do it, and it took a lot of pressure off. But I remember something happened where I was late, I got punished, but then it wasn't my fault, and on the ride home

I knew I was going to get punished and I was thinking up this whole I remember it all I had this whole thing was going to come in and you don't know what you're talking about you're wrong and my friend

and it was late and I didn't call because da da da da da boom and I was going to and I was going to you know stomp up the stairs and I remember

my dad he used to have these trays he would eat his dinner on trays in front of the TV and I walked in, stormed in and I interrupted my mom and I was, no, I got something to say. I remember my dad, like, looked up.

I said, you don't know what you're talking about because I was, and he laughed at me. Oh, really? He said, look at you. Look at two. Oh, man. That was the one and that was this. I don't remember anything like that. But here's the thing, oh, he laughed at me.

But you know what? My goodness. Wow. That's a great, by the way, it's also a great, it's a great scene in a movie. I just have to say it's a great moment. But it also says so much about your nature. Right. Because you're sensitive.

Oh, my God. And emotional. There was so much. Right. There was so much. And I was like. I could see the finish line. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, I knew I was going to college. Like, I was out of there. Right. Which is the only reason I convinced myself that I could do it in the first place. And it was, there was no way it was like, I couldn't fit it off through that little tiny straw. You know what? It's a great analogy.

Yeah. Do you have any regrets that you didn't stand up to him or does you even think about that? Yeah. You know, this whole thing about, you know, I wouldn't change anything. Fuck that. Oh, okay. I appreciate that it made me who. I am, so funny. I would change

so much. Okay. Talk about that. It sucks. Talk about that. I would never want to repeat. You know, I think about my son. Like, literally like, would I want my son to go through what I... No. Right. No. So, if I don't want it for my son, I wouldn't want it for me. It's two different things. I get that it shaped me. Yeah. And I'm appreciative. If I had the chance to go back and change it, hell fucking yes. And what would you change?

All, most of it. Gabe, would you change anything? If you could i wouldn't i mean i'm i'm very happy the way things turned out you know what i mean but i wouldn't change like i i feel so blessed to tab and put on the path you know the life path that i've been on and i don't know if going back and removing that too he makes me want to cry it's okay it's okay oh don't start feeling insecure that you brought your brother i'm kidding for for my president let me let me talk yeah he's like i'm on the path too I'm on the path too I'm on the path too. I like my path. I'm enlightened. It's as simple as it sucked. Would you want it to not suck? I would want it to not suck. I get it. I love who I am. I wouldn't change who I am now. Please don't. Do you know me? You look great. I just want to like set this out for all the women out there who we haven't done this yet. Gabe, forgive me, but you know your brother's a bit of a heartthrob. In fact, every woman who works for me was like, can I please come to the table? But I just want to. I just want to. I just want to set it up.

He's got some Aviator Nation sweats on right now. Looking really comfortable. A camo. A camo sweatshirt that's very nicely tight around his muscles. Soft. He's got some turquoise beads on his arms, which leads me to think there is some spiritual. Oh, totally. These are from your mother's birthday party.

No way. Oh, really? Yes. That's amazing. I've never found him in this color. And now they're part of them. And he just took his hat off, which led me to. want to say this and his head

is just like perfectly beautifully shaved and it's round and gorgeous and all I want to do is rub it and all the women out there I'm going to rub Tatey hold on now will you describe me no it's disgusting

I will Oliver Oliver with yeah wonderful hoodie and then so what was it like for you when you started to actually get jobs and feel that kind of validation from the business and for what you wanted to do. Okay, I graduated college and, you know, very exaggerated sense of just confidence. Do you know what I

mean? So it was like, I knew I was going to make it, quote unquote, and I was just like, how is it going to happen? I remember, I was living with like six people on the Upper East Side and got a survival job at a Pizzerie Uno. And I remember, I was just like, I was living with, like, six people on the Upper East Side and got a survival job at a Pizzerie Uno, and I remember I was two, I didn't realize it, I didn't realize it at the time, but I had anxiety, so I knew I couldn't handle waiting tables because I got, that would stress me out. So I was a host, and I had a host at Pizzeria Uno, I told the two other women, I'm going to be out of here in a year.

I'll either, as a guarantee, I'm going to either have a Broadway show, my own television show, or a movie. and they laughed and thought that's cute because one of them had been there for a while one of them was a ballet dancer and actress

and in six months I got my first Broadway show and I was like peace I told you all bitches That wasn't rent Was it? No that was Yeah that was a carousel

And it was in the ensemble I was like okay I understood it I was like it's a start And then I went to Japan Tokyo Japan to make money That was the time of your life Disney yes

That's when it all happened. In my eyes, that's when Tay became a star. It's Tokyo Disney. Nobody understood why. I was like, I'm going to make it. I just want to go and travel a little bit. And they were like, you're on the Broadway. You're on this Broadway.

Train, why would you stop the momentum? And I'm like, I got momentum. I have to play goofy. No, Sebastian. He was the guy was got my back. You were Sebastian from Little Mermaid? Didn't it, Sebastian have an accent? Yes.

Minna de utta de, kudas. My mind on fire. My soul on fire feeling. Oh, my God. You saw the video, right? Yes. You show me the video. Awesome.

I have to see this. You need to. It's brilliant. So anyway, when I felt like, okay, I'm here, it was when I got how Stella got a group back. When I was like a lead, you know, With Angela Bassett, that's when I was like, okay, I got it. But I was so ambitious that immediately I was like, okay, I remember, this is what fucked me up.

I saw Matt Damon on the cover of Vanity Fair. And I was like, I want that. Start submitting me for the white shit. And I didn't realize how racist the business was. And I just kept moving agencies because nobody would say, we can't, they're not going to see you like this. And I just, I, everybody was telling me that, of course, oh, we see it was this and we see as that. But you didn't, you didn't see that at the time.

No, no, no, no, because up to now, it was just easy. Yeah. It was, I did not have to work. Yeah. Work was fun. You were talented. That's it. At the end of day, you were getting jobs.

And I could see it. I could see where I could fit in. And I was like, there's no reason I can't be doing that. Can I be doing? Yes, you absolutely can. No, we got to submit it for this, that. Nobody would be like, yo. it's going to be difficult, we'll try.

If somebody had just been honest and been like, it's a little by, you know, then I would have stayed at CAA. But I literally moved to every single agency until finally I was like, oh, oh, man, all right. And I kind of started, started again. But that was, to answer your question in a long-winded way, that first big movie, How Stella Got a Groove Back. But there was never, there was never that. Ah, I'm here.

It was never that. It was always like, okay. Right. You always felt like you were hustling. Do you have that feeling now? Not that you're here, but you're content. In a different way. In a different way.

Now I'm like really excited to branch out. Yeah. I feel that. I'm with you there. Let's talk about that for a second. Like, how do you feel about the industry where we are now? I mean, you know, and this also I attribute to just, my spiritual journey

you know at the end of the day none of that really matters if it did matter you know I just I you know there's a part of me that's like you guys what's I've been here

we've been here the whole time like let's not don't pat yourself on the back too hard you know congratulations like motherfucker we've been here you're just now Black Panther just not like so there's a little bit of that

I love that I'm not I don't want to be Will Smith anymore i love that i can just release that yeah i love the tv gig give me some cash yeah let me come home pick up my dude right i love that yeah but there was a hustle when i was like i'm a there was a time when you know you were reaching yes if will smith can do it let me do it i can maybe do it a little better there was that time i remember did you audition for the aladdin movie it's to simply yes or no question tay i i was not um i was not approached okay but i'm very excited if anybody can do it will smith can he can he's gonna be amazing he's my hero like on the real

this can all go back to how we were raised and the things that we do in our life to try to prove something not necessarily realizing that the fuel might be coming from a place that we don't recognize when we're younger and then you reach a certain point in your life where you go I don't want to reach for that anymore because it maybe was being maybe I was doing that for I mean always the right you know the right reasons but maybe what was fueling it is something you don't want to you just don't want to connect to you anymore you want to connect to things that like you said it's more spiritual your son yeah one of the craziest things that you might have ever done to each other but I think that because you guys okay good do you have

these things are ongoing so so my brother would always I was always afraid of like insects and stuff growing up and my brother clued into that insects insects like not not insects insects insects not my brother would would uh would get like dead ants and dead spiders and put them near me he'd be like it's dead what he would he would scream like a banshee with and what was funny to me was can ask one question real quick what is a banshee i don't know something that screams continue and for me what what makes something scary is the fact that it's moving and maybe it could crawl on you or bite you it tripped me out that something dead could still give gabriel this fear i just thought it might come to life because spiders were always very still

anyway and then they would bust and you're like oh it's my and he's so like today gabriel's so centered and with the low voice and he's tall and just enlightened. And to think back at the time when he would be like, Gabriel, there wouldn't even have to be one. We could say that there was one behind him. There's a bug. There's a bug. And he would scream so loud.

One time. Oh, wait, what's the time I made you drink pee or something? This is like when Oliver pinned me to, I mean, Oliver loved making me pee myself. I tickled her to the point of peeing. He'd always-tickle her now, too, it was genetic. Yeah, her son, I tickled him. He pees immediately. This is amazing.

I didn't think this was going to happen later on in life. Comermenting younger siblings, yes. Advice for brothers listening who may not get along or who may not even be speaking currently. It seems, you know, just put it behind you. It's not worth it. Know that the biggest thing I think is to just take a minute and step outside yourself. And once you take that away, whatever that person, whether it's true or false, whatever that person says the experience is, that's their experience and to respect that.

That's good advice. Even if you know they're lying through their teeth, something has happened that is making that person lie through their teeth and respect that. That is huge. too and a lot of times it's not necessarily about you it's about them oh that's what i'm saying you know you don't make it about you it's not about me whenever anybody's holding a grudge and i'm here for you yes yes yes and that is that's i'm still dealing with that with our younger brother yeah keep them in that positive space and let them figure their stuff out i know i know but to respect whatever that sibling went through who calls the other more just generally i you call me okay okay yeah yeah yeah yeah why because he

doesn't have voicemail or something it's only text. I know. I know. Do you guys ever argue? And if you do, we debate. We debate. Yeah. Is there someone who gets sort of the last word in that argument? It's not, yeah, it just seems like it just kind of dissipates. I think we have so much fun together. Yeah. It's a, we're both very, um, understanding. We want to make sure. We're both very strong and opinionated. Yeah. But we're, we're willing to kind of release that because it's not about that. I like this one actually, because it's one thing you would change about your sibling, but it's almost like, doesn't

to be negative, meaning, like, if I could give Gabriel one thing, I wish that he would do this. Like, is there anything about each other that you would change or you would say, man, I wish more of, I wish you were more of this. I wish you accepted this about yourself, like, kind of, I have no idea. I don't know the industry that Gabe's in. I just know how talented he is. And I know that with DJing, there's like a game you have to play. and Gabe refuses to play that game

selfishly for myself I just want because he's better than these guys I want him to play the game so he can have that success for me I would never ask him to do this but if I could magically

and this is strictly for selfish reasons just because I want him to have everything he's so content now that I want I want to, I want to gift him that. And I know that if he, you know, there, if he just... You could do a wire transfer to... That's funny.

It's that dead face, straight face. All right. What about you, Gabe? Well, yeah, so I just want my brother to, to see that the sun will always come out, you know, even if it's kind of cloudy. All right. Oh, Gabe. Yeah, because I'm always able to see, even on a rainy day, I'm always to see it's going to get better. Yeah.

Oh, Jesus Christ. I know you probably think that, but. No, no, no, it's a struggle for me. When it's raining, I don't, I don't feel good when it's raining. And I want the sun to come out of me. This is true. All right. I love you guys.

We all got to go. I love you so much. Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim Sarno. Supervising producer is Alison Bresnick. Editor is Josh Windish. Music by Mark Hudson, aka Uncle Mark. I'm Jorge Ramos. I'm Jorge Ramos.

Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means. to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversations we've been having us father and daughter for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Introducing IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promises. us to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup.

While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to Ivy F Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19, 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee.

Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.

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