Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - The Buck is Back

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

Oliver is joined by his friend and producing partner, Legendary Sportscaster Joe Buck.They offer up a hilarious play-by-play when it comes to their brotherly bond, their views on life, and even their 'Daddy Issues.'And which one of these guys admits to using botox?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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building blocks of the internet. Listen to there are no girls on the internet on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.

And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling, revelry. That's good. I'm back.

Back again. You know, I turn on the Zoom because we do it over Zoom. My next guest is in the waiting room right now. and I use the word guest lightly because he's kind of one of my best friends well I'll get to that in a minute but yeah I'm pushing 50 I'm thinking about

you know a little like Botox you know what I'm saying like it's not a bad thing it's like who cares right who cares anymore maybe get a like a little regular like Botox situation like a little filler here and there

I mean I still want to look like myself but at the same time sometimes it's just shocking you know what i mean the wrinkles and the sunken eyes and the crow's feet now i kind of did just wake up but i've done lasers on my face i did this thing called the morphius and it was kind of awesome and uh my friend dr jason diamond the king who i've been friends with for a while he's like just come in the office let me let me laser your face off and i did and it was kind of great. And then he did this thing called the PRP,

which is like a vampire facial, which was nutty. They drew blood from my arm, spun it, till it was just the plasma, and then squirted it all over my face, and then used this sort of medieval-looking tool to, like, rake my face. It hurt, but whatever it did, it kind of worked, you know? And then he pulls out a needle and, you know,

shoots me up with some shit. Yeah, I think it was pretty, I think it was like Botox. I think I did Botox. You know, and I was like, oh, all right. You know, I still look, I still look like myself, just a little fresher. Thinking about, thinking about hitting it again. Because why not?

You know what I mean? Who cares? Who cares? I mean, even if, even if the headline is Oliver Hudson does Botox, like, you know what? I don't give a shit. or is it even mad or i don't know i'm rambling anyway my guest is in the waiting room he's he's texting me as we speak i'm in i'm in the waiting room i'm on i'm on he is a very impatient man he is one of the great uh announcers of all time he is my best friend he is my ex

podcast partner from a show called daddy issues uh he is now my producing partner in an animated show that we're doing called Daddy Issues. And he is the recipient of eight plus hair transplant operations. Let's bring on the one, the only, Mr. Joe Buck. Open that door and bring the man in. Way to be late. Shocking. To a 1204.

I was sitting here at 1201. Where's Oliver? Oh, he's not here. It's his podcast. I just texted you. I do an intro. And then I come on. I literally had a 6.

intro i i don't trust you to do an intro when i don't hear it you're not pretty look this isn't our show anymore okay daddy issues is over now you're on my show so you're not allowed to hear all of the behind-the-scenes stuff that's how it goes i don't like that i'm gonna hang up do you miss us no no it just this just reminded me that i do not miss this at all you fucking miss us dude i do not miss you i mean us i'm sorry i i don't miss us yes you do we had a show called daddy issues that is it's still in demand people still come up and ask me where's daddy issues how come that's not on but joe is just too busy at ESPN no i just got tired of your video and audio freezing because you'd have like your kids holding up pinfoil so that you can

connect with me i have been doing these solo for a while now and i've had no issues you know maybe it's your energy could be it could be your energy um no i miss you I miss Kate. I missed the whole Hudson thing. Yeah, we had fun. We had a good podcast. You're right. I still get people talking to me about it, which surprises me. You know, when you think about the effort that you and I actually put into it each week, it was minimal. And we just get on and talk like we were on the phone and talk about our wives and talk about our kids and complain and make each other laugh.

And then we'd hang up. And it was really no different than just interacting. two friends and yeah they're i think it's it was kind of therapeutic for me getting to do that with you once well let's let's uh let's just do that let me do it i'm gonna do a i'm gonna do a uh like a sort of mid episode new intro hey what's up everybody joe buck and oliver hudson back with daddy issues no you have a dad i had a dad i've got a dad i've got issues, you've got issues. I've got kids. They have dads. You have kids. They have dads. Everybody's got daddy issues. And away we go. That's right. So what are some of your issues?

What are some of your situations that you've had with your children? By the way, how are the boys? The boys are good. Yeah, I mean, I can't act like anybody knows who the hell I am. So I have kids. I've got kids. I mean, this is entirely different audience. we've already lost viewers listeners to this since I chimed in but yeah I've got daughters who are 27 and 24 the older one is well now she's 28 when this airs and she's going to get married in January the 24 year old has worked the last two years for Ben Stiller

on a show called Severance it's a second season and then I've got twin six year old boys with my wife Michelle, who Michelle is dear friends with Oliver and his wonderful wife, Aaron, and our boys, Blake and Wyatt, are people keep

saying it's going to keep me young and I'm certain it's going to kill me one day at a time to slowly drain the life out of me as my 55 year old body breaks down and my patience grinds to an absolute stop. this sounds awesome buddy it's it's a good advertisement for children and just life in general

you know it's a good it's you know what it's a good advertisement for vasectomase that's what it's a good advertisement for do you meditate no have you ever thought about it yeah i had a friend of mine tail burckhart great guy um his stepdad michael gross from family ties fun fact for you he taught me transcendental meditation and gave me my little go-to word that's supposed to calm me down and yeah you get that mantra right yeah mantra i could not turn off the inner voice in my head i was like what am i doing i'm sitting here i'd rather be sleeping but i'm sitting here doing this and i'm thinking of the 100 things i have to do while i meditate it's a practice right so that's part of the meditation is you go through that and if you do it enough

then your mind starts to clear but you never gave it enough of a chance probably right that's fair i did not um i did that i mean the ritualistic part of it did like we had cut up fruit and he he he there's like a robe involved and i don't know real yeah he and i've known him forever, but it became very transactional. Sure you know this guy. And he's like, and then he gave me a pill. And I woke up and I was bleeding out of my butt. I mean, I mean, what fruit and a robe? I don't know. Yeah, there was fruit. There was like a pair. I don't think I've ever had a pair other than that day. There was like maybe a lemon and a pear. And I felt like I was in ancient Greece and there was a robe. And,

I remember my word, which I'm not supposed to share with anybody. He also went through this process with my wife. Of course, she told me her word immediately. I'm like, you're not supposed to say what the word is. It's supposed to be just for you. And, yeah, she gave it up. I did not. I still have mine.

I can remember it. It's an odd word. But it's supposed to get me into this move. But it doesn't, none of this even matters anymore because you don't even, you know. Right. You don't use it. You don't practice. you don't meditate.

You do you do anything spiritual for yourself in any way whatsoever? Spiritual? Well, I mean, no, I'm not going to tell you because you're going to make fun of me and say that I'm stupid. But I will go to church every once in a while. I have a friend who's a pastor who I talk to from time to time, who I think is a wise man. And now I don't even see Oliver on this.

so the fact that we started talking about spirituality completely knocked him off the internet so that's good computer died computer died you didn't really cut out you just went and redid your hair i mean no but i did chop my salad if you notice i did i do um as i'm giving you shit about not being on time and blah, blah, blah, your computer crashes or because it goes and runs out of power because you don't have a power. Totally. But the funny thing is, is again, this has not happened. I think it's something between you and I, you know.

So you asked me, do I do anything spiritual? Let me guide you back to your own podcast. You ask me if I do anything spiritual. And the answer is, I will go to church every once in a while, even though I know you'll give me shit about that. So you believe in God. I do believe in God, yeah, I do. Okay, you believe in God in what sense?

Is there someone sitting in this guy? I don't think it has to be, like, literal. Like, there's, no, I choose to not think of it being literal. Like, it's presence. Well, then Joe Buck, what does God, what does that mean to you? I mean, do you believe that someone is judging you? Always. On earth, as it is.

in heaven. Give us this day our daily judgment. Who judges you? Joe, any way you fucking want. In heaven, I'm doing my best. I'm a good person. I treat people well. I over-tip. I feel like people are excited to see me. I'm a conscientious, hardworking, truthful, good person. If that gets me into heaven, great. If I die and I die. I become warm food and there's nothing left and I have no nothing after, after a day. I mean, it's called hedging your bets. I feel like I might as well cover all bases. Got it.

You're hedging. So it's a just in case type of a belief. No. I mean, I pray. I pray every day for my kids. I pray for your kids. I pray for your kids a lot. Oh, my kids are fine.

I pray for your kids. You're the one who put monkey locks on their doors. Who do you pray to? you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're I don't I don't pray to anybody I I I have a belief in myself to be able to manifest the things that I want to accomplish, not through some sort of a woo-woo situation, but through sort of positive reflection, positive thought, to then propel me into a better place to where I can accomplish the goals that I want to accomplish.

Yeah, that's called narcissism. No, it's not. Oh, my God. I usually find myself praying when I'm in bed. I go to bed every night. I say a prayer for my boys. I say a prayer for my girls. I say a prayer for my oldest daughter, Natalie's fiancé.

I say a prayer for his brother, say a prayer for my family, makes me feel good. It's a nice way to go to bed. So not Julie, not Julie, my mom. Not your sister, your mom. Yeah, they're all a part of that prayer, which seems to get longer. Do you talk to your father ever? My father who art in heaven? Yeah, your dad. I mean, do you ever... My father named Art, who... Who's in heaven? No. I do, do I talk to my dad? No, but I, my dad died, 20 years ago, 22 years ago. So you never like say, hey, dad, like, you know, how are you, buddy? Help me out here.

Yeah, help me out here. Never. No. Do you believe that your dad is watching over you? I do in some weird way. I'll get a sign every once in a while. I have dreams about him quite a bit. I have dreams. There are times where I'll go through a rip where they're, like, four or five nights in a row.

And it's always, you know, and I would have. imagine people who've had parents pass away have the same thing where it's like they've been hiding and all of a sudden they're back and you're like, where have you been? I've been waiting for you and whatever. But yeah, all the time. I dream about it, but I don't, I don't, I don't pray to my dad. I pray to God and hope that my dad is up there like hearing it. Do you think your dad is in heaven or hell or hell I think he's in heaven I think he did way too many good deeds on earth

that that overlapped whatever shortcomings he may have had yes do you believe in hell I don't know like a devil and a pitchfork and a tail and all that other stuff

yeah but I mean do you believe in the pearly gates like meaning you there's a gate and someone says oh yeah like sorry buddy he didn't make it yeah like he get denied like I used to with the sky bar back my mid-20s like yeah but I know Paul Rudd I know

John Ham that back then they're like who the hell's that like just you wait you're gonna see in about 30 years you're gonna see something called Bargo and Ham will knock your socks off and Rudd I mean Ant Man huh 30 years from now he's gonna be Ant Man and you're gonna want me and Paul Rudd and John are sorry you're going to want Paul and John with me tagging on in your bar but it didn't what no those were the pearly gates back then they were the pearly gates I tend to

I either I picture the movie heaven can wait starring Warren Beatty or I picture oh God and oh God book two starring George Burns how great was that movie John Denver oh my God I love that movie. Yeah. It was, oh, God, you devil. Oh, God, you devil. Right. Oh, God. Still here. Oh, God. Oh, God. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place, will stay in and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor.

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Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Judice. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Rural Star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana, maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me. I think the last time I talked to Tom. It was like, congrats on America's Got Talent.

This is a combo you don't want to miss. Listen to Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for kind of two years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner

in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story, along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So wait, and then I'm going to get off the religion thing

because I know we've talked about it before. But when you're lying in bed, do you say, like, God, please protect? so-and-so. Yes. Do you say it out loud? Sometimes. I say, keep them, I mean, I'll give you my prayer. Yeah, I want to hear it. Go ahead. I'll just do it for, I'll just do it for Natalie. Please protect Natalie. Keeper safe, healthy, happy, learning, loving, knowing how much she's loved by family and friends. Okay. You're going to shit on that? You're going to shit on that. You're going to shit on my prayer about my kid. Go, go, Oliver, let me hear it. Not at all. Not at all.

I, hey, for Natalie's sake, I hope God's listening. Me too. And then I throw Wilder in there every once in a while. I throw Bodie. No, you don't. Rio. Yeah, I'm like, look, God, if you can see to it that Oliver, my heathen friend, my atheist, agnostic, pray to himself friend can somehow, if you can protect his kids,

Oliver and Aaron, you know, they're old enough to just decide on their own. But for his children, can you? please keep them healthy happy safe learning loving i think it's just something to make you feel comfortable it's something to make you feel there's comfort in it you know that that's that's what it is yeah okay well i like feel feeling comfortable it's like you and your terry cloth outfits and and you're you're you're matching yeah the lure in cabo is this is what you're saying yeah that's you that's your comfort you pray to like cabo Yeah, Joe and I, we play in a golf tournament every year, and it's the most fun.

And I bring my Tumbollo stuff, which is my whole Terry Cloth outfits. I look fabulous. I mean, it's, I look fabulous, but it's, it's, it's, uh, you look amazing. I do, I do. It's such a gift to Mexico, forget me and Michelle and the other folks in tournament. It's just a gift to the entire country. of Mexico, when you land there, you go through customs, they're like, whoa, look at this guy. El Presidente.

Yeah. You know, you're starting to look a lot like Kurt. Am I? Blood relation to him. And maybe I'm just morphing into each other. Yeah. It's a potent possible. Maybe you're like his pet.

They say that your pet starts looking like you. That's a bad thing. So your oldest daughter, Natalie, is getting married. I want to know what that feels like for you and potentially becoming a grandfather and even moving further into that. And I've never asked you this actually, but how do you, how are you dealing with age in general? You know, are you worried to get older?

Are you afraid to die? Yes, quite a bit. You are. Yeah, even with everything I've already said. on this podcast, which you've judged every word that's come out of my mouth. It's my job. First of all, Natalie, she's always been, I mean, I always heard, and I'm sure you've heard from friends, oh my God, girls, you have daughters, just you wait, just you wait when

they were little, just you wait, wait till they be, I'm still waiting. If the teenage years are coming, I mean, they're 27 and 24, almost 28 and 25, I have not experienced them. I never had, even going through divorce, I never had a stretch. It was strained for good reason because it's hard. But I never had any issue with them at all. They were always really, really good girls, made good decisions.

I think they had their fun, but they did it in a way that never made me feel concerned, never made me really have to, punish them. I don't know how. You know, they never really got involved with drugs. They never just, I don't know, whatever went into the soup between my ex-wife, Anne and me, whatever guidance we gave, whatever decisions they made on their own, I was always very proud of them. Which is interesting. Let me interrupt you real quick, because they are coming from a parents of divorce. And, you know, nine times out of ten, there are going to be.

be sort of repercussions from that. And those sort of afflictions will show themselves as you get older, as you get into career and relationships and all of those things that bring out sort of those issues that might have been laying dormant for a minute. But that never happened. I mean, I can't say that it never happened. That would be ridiculous. I feel like, you know, I think I could go on and on about this and I won't. But I think, when you realize that you're doing as much damage to them, this is just my opinion, being together as you could do being apart with your spouse and what they're seeing and what they're witnessing between a mother and a father.

I felt like that balance was always just hanging there. And when it kind of went the other way, I think I made the right decision. I think I made the right decision for everybody involved. that just could be my narcissism and thinking, but I don't think we were headed to a good place. Was it tough at times because I am extremely close with my girls? Yeah, because I felt like I abandoned them. I felt like I left them behind at certain times, but I never left St. Louis. I was always five minutes away. They knew the doors always open. I was always involved Monday through Friday, before I left for a game, doing homework, picking up, dropping off, doing all that stuff, knowing all their friends, knowing where they were. And I know that they felt that. So I don't feel like, yeah, I'm sure I did damage. I'm sure we did damage to them by getting divorced. There's no doubt. But the adults that they've become, they've made really good decisions. It leads me to tell you that, and you know this because you've been around him, but.

If you made, if I made a person, a young man in a computer to be Natalie's husband, to be spit out of a computer, and the question is, who do you want to marry your daughter? This is him. He's a great young man. He's got patience for days. He's well, you know, gainfully employed. He's just a caregiver. He's a caring man. and he's close with his mom

and his parents are together but he's very close with his parents and his family they've been through tragedy together who Bobby her her fiance his brother his fiancee jack

passed away suddenly on I believe it was Christmas Eve but it was right at the holiday a couple of years ago they were all there they've seen they've already seen some stuff that I don't think

people that age should see, all with a privileged life. Yes, there's no doubt about that disclaimer. But they're just good people. And so, and Trudy is the hardest working, most well-read film student that can tell, you know, professors what movies they should be watching. She's a deep thinker and a great girl. So I'll take it. And I never worry about that. Do I worry about dying? Yes. day. I worry about getting older. I've got six-year-old boys. I'm 55. I do the math. If I make it 30 years, make it 30 minutes. I don't know. But if I make it 30 years, they're in their mid-30s and, you know, that should be good enough. But I think about it aging and getting older and falling apart every day. What's the fear, though? You know, is the fear of death for you and

aging about not being there for the boys? Or is it just more of, I still want to to be on this earth. I think it's more I still want to be on this earth. And I'm, I'm fortunate that I've got a great wife. I've got the aforementioned obviously perfect kids. I've got a great job. I've got great friends like you. I don't, I'm very blessed. And I work at it. And I try to do the right thing all the time. But yeah, I like my life. And I, And, you know, I think that's more of it. I think they will be more than prepared. And if it happens today and I'm not around,

I think they'll be still well covered and surrounded and be raised the right way. But I think it's more about me just not wanting to leave my life. I know. It's so true. But the real truth is if you can get rid of that fear of death, meaning, okay, it's going to happen. It truly allows you to sort of live much easier and better. I read the Daily Stoic, which I would love to have the patience to get through the books that are attached to that, whether it's meditations or by Marcus Aurelius, or it's the books that the author of the Daily Stoic has written. He's gotten another one coming out.

I'd love to have the patience for that and be able to study that stuff and actually improve myself. but I just, I don't have it at this point. I feel like I'm just keeping my head above water with the boys. And by the time they're shut down for the night, I'm pretty well shut down for the night. So we're going day to day. And I've got work stuff. I've got to read.

But I, you're right. It's coming for everybody. And that's the whole thing with their little coin they have or something with the skull on it. I'm like, you're going to die. It's a reminder. And it's, you know, so while you're here, make the most of it, be a good person and make, you know, make the world a better place the small, small way you can and it's all you can do. And so you love what you do, obviously, Hall of Famer as far as broadcasting goes, but is this something, I mean, how much longer are you going to do this? You know, I mean, meaning, meaning the back nine of your life, which I think you have like six holes left.

I'm not going to go a full nine. I think you've got like maybe six holes, maybe one par five and a couple hard par threes, you know? Yeah, I'll take, can you, can you throw another par five in there just so I have a little more time? Yeah, okay, fine. You've got two par fives. You're going to start on the 11th, it'll start on the 12th hole, par five,

and the 18 will be a par five as well. Okay. I like ending on a par five because I think a lot of movement happens on a leaderboard that way. So maybe on that final par five, I'll reach in two. and I'll leave the world an even better place with a smile on my face. Well, yeah, so my question is, you know, you see broadcasters obviously go into their 70s and sometimes 80s, right? So are you planning on doing that? Or do you have a point where you're like, I'm done? I'm going to be a dad. I'm going to be a husband. I'm going to have fun.

Not that you're not having fun, but I'm going to retire. Yeah, I mean, I watched my dad do that. My dad, you know, died in 2002 and was working in 2001. I mean, he was so funny. He had so many things going wrong. I mean, he had Parkinson's, and he had a pacemaker, and he had type 2 diabetes, and he had all this other stuff. And they dedicated a statute to him outside Bush Stadium when he was, it was his last year, I believe, either his last or his second to last year, not only in the booth, but on the earth. And he was dealing with the all these health ailments, and his speech was, well, I'm very flattered that the Cardinals did this for me. You know, I've given the Cardinals the best years of my life, and now I'm giving them the worst. And that was just his sense of humor. Like, I'm barely hanging on here. And so you're right. I mean, it seems to be the one that and like aging guitarists that don't ever die that seem to still be able to play

despite a lifelong series of decisions that I probably wouldn't make for my own personal health but there they are on tour yet again playing playing the same solos and doing the same songs.

Yeah, I don't see that. I think because I started so young. I was doing the Cardinals when I was 21. I had done two years of minor league baseball. Prior to that, I was at Fox when I got hired at 24, I was there for 28 years. I think my end then becomes a little closer to a normal age than some people who

didn't get these opportunities until they were 30, 35, 40 sometimes. I was already doing the World Series at 27. So I think my clock got sped up a little bit, so I do not see me, I don't see me doing this the rest of my life. I don't. Maybe I will. It's probably dumb to make declarative statements like that. Yeah.

But as I sit here now, I don't see that happening. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb

while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place. to land a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. Hey, it's your favorite Jersey girl, Gia Judice.

Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Rule Star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana, maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me. I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent. This is a combo you don't want to miss.

Listen to Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture. It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly, like, very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric

that this is something we've been doing for the hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornellis, who with Rutherford Falls became the first native showrunner in television history. On the podcast, Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story,

along with other native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic-Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sageburn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

So let me ask you this. question okay because i know you obviously extremely well what you present on television and in your interviews is this the real joe buck meaning if you didn't have to answer to anybody and you could be 100 percent yourself does the public perceive you as the true you or are we going to get a really nice taste of who joe buck really is once once you hang the mic of. Yeah, I think, first of all, I think for whatever reason, you don't seem to have to answer to anyone so that we see the true Oliver Hudson on Instagram.

Sometimes we probably shouldn't see the true Oliver Hudson on Instagram. I think, you know, making some of these videos might have somebody there talk you out of them sometimes, but God love you for just going with it, whether it was the million a million follower dance or whatever it is. I don't know. I don't know what it is. So I feel like you are very, you are exactly who you are.

You present yourself exactly as who you are. Sometimes it gets you in trouble. Like comments you make that get picked up and I've had it happen to me a thousand times where you make a comment, you're being funny, you're being flippant, you're whatever. and all of a sudden that represents everything you are.

And it's like, oh, my God, that's not the intent to that at all. Somehow intent doesn't factor into the conversation. But, yeah, I think I've become more and more open and like who I am on the air, but certainly not wheels off, just being myself. I don't care. For some reason, Barclay and God love him, we had him on our podcast. He's been consistently a great guide to both you and me. I think he is very, very close to exactly who he is on the air.

I don't think he really cares if fans don't like him in a certain city. I don't think he cares if the executives. I mean, he's talked about it now, being a T&T and going through NBA negotiations. I applaud him for not caring and just being honest with who he is, but there are very few. So when I hang it up, am I just going to start like streaking through the quad? No. But I do think that it will free me up to be a little bit more like I am. Do you wish that you could have more of a Barclay-esque sort of outlook or, you know, I mean, or you're just happy with what you do and how you do it?

Do you feel restricted? I think you have to be, if you want to do that stuff, you have to be okay with seeing the, you know, what do they call them, like aggregators, just shooting out click stuff with some crazy headline of something you said. And you have to be okay with that. You have to not care that the New York Post Joe Buck says Super Bowl will be a mess. No, that's not really what I said. My point was, and I was on regular radio when I said, that I wanted to say shit show and and shit shows are good I mean like it's it's Vegas I mean that's why it's there it's going to be wild and and you know I'm I'm getting less and less into kind of the wild big crowd thing the older I get but that but it was taken as like a criticism or something or a negative and it was the it was kind of the opposite of that like hey it's going to be crazy mm-hmm but that you have to be willing that I mean, that ruined. I was headed to Mexico when all that stuff got aggregated and pumped out.

I had to ruin the entire week for me. So I'm not good with that. I think it stems back. That's right. That's on, that's on you, though, because you just took it so hard when you really could have just sort of brushed it off. There's no doubt. You're right. You know. Yeah. But I, yes. So I wish that I could not take that stuff so hard. I think it comes from, I mean, I go to therapy, like you go to therapy. And I think it comes from being a fat kid on the playground, being made fun of, having to, you know, try to make people, being, being, you know, my book's called Lucky Bastard, which is available nowhere, so it's not a plug for it. But being, you know, kind of the surprise kid for my mom and dad at a time when my dad had other kids and another family going on, which is what my book is kind of about in the beginning or in that. the early part and wanting to make these other kids his other kids like me and they had every reason to kind of resent my existence. I've always been a pleaser and I've always wanted everybody to walk away from me going, oh my God, what a great guy. I feel like, you know,

but when you do a game to 30 million or in the case of a Super Bowl, a hundred million people, that's not going to happen. They don't have a personal experience with you. And they, their team probably just lost and you're the one yelling about it so and and you know being excited for the other team so you can't please everybody I wish I could and I try hard to not let that affect me but yeah I do believe that um that I should be more like that but I can't were you vindictive meaning like all the people who made fun of you fatty Joey or whatever it was when you became who you became is there a party that's like fuck you look at me now zero really i mean less than zero wow you didn't have that like oh y'all made fun of me y'all bullied me or

whatever now look at me no no i that's you know me well enough to know that's not how i think i i never and that's not me being humble i swear to god on my children that i obviously pray for that uh i've never had that thought like oh look at me i think part of that too comes from being my dad's son and having all these incredible legs up and opportunities at a young at a young age because, you know, he was, he came from zero. I mean, he had no money. They came from dirt poor, went through the depression, only went to college because he was in World War II and was on the GI Bill and made himself. And then here I come along, his son, like getting all of these opportunities

and having a masterclass every night of my summer. I just, there's like guilt involved. So I've never been like, oh, look at me now. I'm just not that way. I know, but you still have to be good at what you do. You know, the foot can go on the door,

but if you sucked, you wouldn't be where you're at, obviously. Yeah, I think the early part of it too, especially if I had stunk, when I was 21 or 22 doing the Cardinals, I would have been probably flushed out quicker too. I don't, if it's like,

oh my God, Bucks kid stinks. I think, you know, the spotlight's pretty bright. And then Fox gave me all these great opportunities. And I didn't screw it up. And that's,

you know, I proved that I could do it. Despite the, you know, Twitter, oh, good thing you had a, famous dad and all that other stuff, yeah, I agree with you. You have to still be able to do it,

obviously, but it does not lead me into the winner circle in my mind. Like, I've done it, and you guys can all kiss my ass. That's just not the way I think. No, no. I have a little bit of that, you know, even though I did get my foot in the door as well, no doubt about it. But I had a, I had an acting teacher in Boulder, Colorado, and granted, I deserved the D-minus. I deserved it because I would just fuck around in there, and I didn't even want to be an actor at the time. It wasn't a goal of mine. I thought it was going to be an easy class, and I had a great time in it, but he gave me a D-minus. I got my first television show, 24.

I was the lead of it, and I was in People magazine. I had, you know, magazine articles or whatever, you do the press. And I clipped them all out and I sent them to this guy, to the teacher in Boulder, with a note that said, thanks for the D-minus. That's great. And by the way, I'm available to guest speak in your class anytime you ask. So I can actually tell the class that despite whatever bad grade you may get, you might still have a career

despite what this guy or lady said I got an award and I only say this part because it's relevant to the story but from my high school a distinguished alumni award

a couple of months ago and I showed up there and the campus is still in the same spot the chapel where the thing where the ceremony was held is a different chapel but in the same spot and I walked in there

as the distinguished alumni with somebody from the 50s, somebody from the 60s, somebody from the 70s, I was from the 80s. Sterling K. Brown went to my high school. He got it a couple of years ago. Vincent Price. We had three sitting senators at one point. Wow.

And so it's got a great history. And I went in there thinking, oh, my God, this is going to be that moment that you just talked about. like the kid that was made fun of a hundred yards from here is now getting the Distinguished Alumni Award and I walked in there and I felt exactly the same way I felt

when I was the picked on kid I was like I did not get any sense of look at me now or satisfaction from that I was just like here I'm back and I feel the same way I did

when I was 13 and or 17 it's nuts it's deep that's deep that shit is deep that's we'll stick with you forever i don't think any amount of therapy can actually heal that forever no i need to hang with aaron rogers in the offseason and see if we can expunge some of this stuff you can do some ayahuasca and you know some ketamine and i think you'll be all right yeah that should just do the trick you know me nobody's better uh just kind of giving up the reins and being wild uh than me I mean, you want to be out of control.

Come see me. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Yeah, so obviously you're one of my best friends and I love you, but I have a question. Why do you think you're such an asshole? Because I'm hanging around people like you. No, it's a joke, but for real, like you can be a dick. There's no doubt about it.

I can't. I have no patience. I'm sorry. You can be a total asshole. Like, why do you think that? if you're going to attribute that so now i have to accept your supposition that i'm an asshole and do you accept that you can be a real asshole okay that i can be oh you are not totally no of course i'm never be a great friend with you being an asshole i'm saying you can be a a real dick

so can you not really yeah you can not really joe yeah you can tell me why why do you feel like... Liz Aaron. Pan left. She's upstairs. I mean, I have been a horrible human being. There's no doubt about that, right? But... Okay. All right. Well, now we're splitting hairs

on the on the negative side. What would Michelle say? If I was to ask Michelle, I'd say, well, why do you think Joe can be an asshole? What would her answer be? Well, first you would have to ask, do you think Joe can be an asshole? The answer would be yes. Yes, okay. Okay.

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So why can you be an asshole? What happens to your body physically where you just, that's it, and boom, you're, like, Joe, chill out. Don't be such a dick. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. There's got to be, like I was on antidepressants. I got off antidepressants. When you and I were in Cabo this last time, I was not on them, and I have since gotten back on them.

It's something to delay the reaction time between an event happening and something happening, whatever it is. Blake punched me in the nuts. the car's late the the I don't even know what a million different things oh it was it Blake or Wyatt who bit the head of your wiener Blake uh he was scared he buried his head in my as nothing I did he was hiding from we've told the story on our podcast before but like he was hiding from his uncle who was at his birthday party dressed as Batman

It was a good costume, looked like Batman, came around the corner, scared the shit out of him. And he came running to me, buried his head. I was like, oh, buried his head because he was that tall. Barry's head right in my crotch. I was standing up, holding a cup of coffee, by the way. And the next thing, and I was like, he could not have bit me more well on the... Right. Anyway.

Okay. drew blood by the way and then I basically just like reacted shushed him and down he went and then

Michelle's like what did you do I'm like I this is the most primal reaction I've ever had my life I there was the most out of nowhere whatever it won't move on

I think I'm hopeful that being back on the antidepressants will delay and allow me to go, do I really want to get crazy mad about, you know, Blake hitting me in the back of the head, poor Blake, Wyatt hitting me in the back of the head with a baseball, which has happened.

It's just also just frustration. Like I understand that and I feel that sometimes. But I go from, you're right, I go from zero to 60. Right, right. in a blink and I don't know how to calm that down and the older I get zero to 60 goes from you know let's say one full second to point nine to point eight to point seven to point six to where by the time I'm 65 I'm going to be anticipating it and I'll be ahead of it and then I will be an asshole because I'll be just constantly what?

like nothing happened dad I know but it will it will it's like minority report where I you're about to do something you're about to commit a crime and the cogs just told me

that I need to be mad in about four seconds totally I feel that though I feel that age does that age wears on the nerves and it's just less and less and less patience and it happens at night

the worst thing is it happens in night by the end of the day it's like oh my god it's eight okay these kids should be in bed now it's 8 30 now they're like stalling now they're you know doing bullshit

now we're and I'm like come on guys guys and what drives me crazy now maybe I'm misremembering how I was when I was a kid but I feel like when my dad spoke it was like God

talking to Moses Like, I, you know, like, get, pick up your, pick up your goddamn toy or whatever it was. I was like, ding, I was gone. I was like picking them up. These kids, you say something and they don't even flinch. It's like they don't, they don't move. There's not even a batting of the eye. Forget get up and do it.

It's like you didn't even say it. So true. But by the end of like the third time, I'm done. I'm like, and Michelle will be like, don't yell at the boys. I'm like, that's not yelling. Me going, Blake, Wyatt, let's get to bed. Like, I guess that's yelling. It's louder than my talking voice.

Yeah, no, no, no, I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean, I think we all parent, you know, using the tactics of fear and bribery. And we, you know, it's like the pamphlet for parenting that I want to write. Because I don't know if I can do a whole book on it, but basically forget about Dr. or Spock or whatever these fucking parenting books are. At the end of the day, you just revert back to fear and bribery. That's it.

If you don't do this, this is going to happen to you. Or I'll give you this. If you do this, I mean, that's it. All right, we're going to get out of here soon, but I love you, Joe. One more quick question. Have you ever had true sort of issues or fights with like Troy Aikman or any of your counterparts where it's not just a little squabble, but something that like really went down. It was bad that where you had to do a game where it was just like, I'm not feeling you right now. Yeah, that's a

great question. I don't think anybody's ever actually asked me that in that way. And I can honestly say no. It's funny you asked me this year because we've done the podcast. And there was something that had happened between Troy and me that was very, it was a total misunderstanding that he thought I was thinking one thing. I thought he was thinking another and he thought that it affected our relationship at the end of last year. And I say that because I brought this topic up with him and I thought it was like a nothing thing. And he's like, yeah, you know, I misunderstood. I said, no, I misunderstood you. I didn't know where you were coming from. He said, yeah, I really felt like that affected us at the end of last year. And I was like, man, I didn't even sense that.

and I work at this. I had Tim McCarver for 18 years. And we were in very, at least in my business, very tense situations and high stress. And he was, you know, much older than me. But I always, and he and my dad worked together at one point. And they did not get along for those two years that they worked together. And obviously I was team dad. So I had some animosity built up before they put.

Tim and me together in 1996, and we did all these games, and I was a young guy, was whatever, 26 at the time, and I had to talk to him and say at the seminar the first time we all met. I was like, look, I know it didn't go well with my dad. I know some of the stuff that was said, and you know how close I am with my dad, but you and I are going to be judged on how you and I do, and we've got to be partners, and we've got to sing out of the same hymnal, and we've got to blah, blah, blah. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I think he appreciated it. It took the pressure out.

By the way, sorry to interrupt, but that's a really ballsy, confident thing to do. It's a young man going up to Macarver and expressing yourself that way. I mean, has to be appreciated, but that's a really mature thing. It was the elephant in the room in my mind

that could not be avoided. And maybe it was as much for me. You know what? I think I did it because I wanted to take the pressure off him. which makes me sound like I'm being the martyr, but I'm not. I'm just saying I think he felt because they had tension that if, if, you know, now he's working with this guy's kid, that, uh, that something, I just something needed to be said.

And I, and I, and so I, but that's the only time. And then this last offseason with Troy, I mean, he's one of my best. friends. Tim McCarver was older than me, but I used to joke on air that he was like a best friend or a weird uncle or whatever. And John Smoltz the same way. The easiest going human being ever is John Smoltz. And Harold Reynolds and Tom Verducci, all good people that all worked hard. And I think if somebody sees your partner in that case that you're working hard, you just, you've got each other's backs. I've never had any issue like that. Thank God. Because I know it does happen. and I can hear it sometimes on TV with other people, and I've just never been there. Is it ever, when you go off there to commercial, someone had ever said to you, hey, like, you got to let me finish before you jump in,

or, you know, you just, you got to, or have you ever said, you got to chill for a second? Like, none of that. It's just the flow happens. Well, I've worked with two guys that at the time wanted that. They wanted coaching, a guy named Tim Green, who's amazing and dealing with ALS and has been interviewed twice and they've done pieces on him

on 60 minutes. He's wonderful. He's got a podcast he does with his son Troy. He's great. But he was right off the field and it never broadcast anything. So I was new to football, not new to broadcasting. I would basically give him feedback every commercial break like this was good, this was too much, but he wanted that. And I was getting a lot of that stuff. from my dad at the time. And then another guy named Brian Bouldinger, who does a million things and does them very well on NFL network, he and I did games, and he was just so hyper that he was like almost ready to jump out of the booth.

And he would cut me off and whatever, which is no big deal. But I said, just physically take a step back, like physically move back from the front of booth because you're just so on your toes and ready to go 100 miles an hour. Just chill, like, relax. And you're still going to be, have enough energy to get through it. So that's it. I mean, otherwise, no, I've never, never had anything where it's been like, hey, I'm, right, let me finish my call before you do your thing. Yeah. I've never had that. Do you, so there's a, there's a button, like a cough button. So if you have to cough, you can push the button that mutes you, right you have that yeah so we have a cough button and we have another button that talks down

to the production truck okay so have you or one of your counterparts ever had to fart and push the cough button and farted tell me the truth i swear to god no one's ever smoltz or anyone like i mean somebody really have to like like make noise and make it well yeah Just in case. Well, I think you'd probably wait for the commercial, take your headset off. I mean, it's not just the two, you're not the only two people up there. I know, but there's, there's like 15 people up there. So you've never farted on air?

I don't, I mean, no. I don't think so. I mean, like an audible, like an audible thing. Yeah. no so you've let them out like slowly where it's like ah god i got a i got a fart too much chilly before the game well it's like third and two you know then i'm like holy shit like yeah no i can't wait for this to get aggregated yeah me too it's gonna be good all right well i love you buddy thank you for doing this and humoring me i miss being i miss doing this with you we should do like

a reunion tour of daddy issues we should we should get uh We should just be like the openers for Bateman, Bateman thing. We can, like, warm up the crowd. Yeah. Talk about daddy issues. Get everybody just in a frenzy. Oh, yeah. And they go, hey, here's Will Arnett and la la, la.

Yeah, and then everyone will leave because they wish that we were up there instead. I'm not going to say it, but you can. Okay. One more question. Do you wish you made more money as much money as Tom Brady now that he's announcing? Do you feel like you deserve to be paid more? You don't? No, I haven't won any Super Bowls, no.

Right, okay. It's only one guy that's won seven, and it's exactly seven more than I have, so good for him. Have you talked to him at all about it? About the money? No, no, no, no, no, not the money. You are the, you know, look, again, Hall of Fame,

you're one of the kings of the industry. Has he come to you at all? It said, like, not advice, but just picking your brain. Um, he's talked to Troy. Mm-hmm. He's talked to others. Um, he has not talked to me. I think, you know, just because I'm, I'm the play-by-play guy.

Hi, Aaron. I'm the play-by-play guy. Um, and he's got a great one to work with. So, but I did at the end of the year, two years ago, we were getting ready for his playoff game, which turned out to be his last game. And he said, hey, Tom, you know, because he'd already signed his deal with Fox. Like, hey, Tom. You're going to be doing these on the other side here soon.

You're going to be talking to the quarterback of the Browns, or you're going to be talking to whatever. So aren't you excited? He goes, oh, my God, yeah, I'm going to have to talk to you guys about what the heck I'm supposed to do when that time comes. So I think it's been on his mind. I think he's one of those guys that pours everything he has and to everything he does. So I'm sure he has exhausted a network of people that have been color analysts. But he's no, he's not talked to me.

all right well i still think you wish you're getting paid as much as he was boy i mean who wouldn't not me i'm happy with making no money right now and talking to you all right all right i love you so much buddy thank you for doing this and um of course we'll chat very very shortly all right bye you would think that interviewing like one of your best friends would be easier but it's more difficult you know because you sort of are trying to take on this role as a interviewer but also friends and you know it took a minute to sort of get the engine started i you know i'm sure there'll be some headlines coming out of this i don't know but anyway joe i love you thank you for coming on buddy that man is the salt of the earth he's the most generous person that i

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