Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - The Haim Sisters

Episode Date: July 8, 2020

On this episode of "Sibling Revelry," Kate and Oliver are joined by Este, Danielle and Alana Haim. They talk about growing up with musical parents and thinking that everyone had a family band, the musicians that inspired them, what goes into writing together, their new album "Women in Music Pt. III," and much more. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Function of Beauty.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. That's good. Sibling

Revelling. That's good. So this was really a fun day. We recorded this in quarantine, so it was via Zoom. And one of my favorite sibling trios, we got to interview the Hym sisters. I've gotten to know. SD over the years and my partner Danny, my life partner, Danny, has known the girls for a long time. So it was really fun to talk with them about how they grew up. Their family was always musical.

They had a family band growing up. They lived in the valley in Los Angeles. And it was wonderful to see how close they are and how still close they are, how they navigate through working together and being siblings, and it seems like they have this really beautiful balance. And anyway, it was an absolute blast. They have a new album out that is so awesome called Women in Music Part 3. And I suggest downloading that whole thing and listening to it because it is so wonderful. And I hope you enjoy this episode. Here is the Heim Sisters.

Danielle and Estes after proms were the best. I don't know. I don't know what my parents were thinking, but they decided to go out of town the weekend of Danielle's prom. Had I lucky. Rookie mistake, mom and dad. So lucky.

What were they thinking? They were like, we're just, we're randomly. My parents never go out of town. They're like always with us constantly. Maybe they knew what they were doing. At one weekend, it was like, we're going to just go.

We're going to take a trip. And it was the weekend of Danielle's prom. And I'll never forget, I was a freshman. And Danielle was a scene. and I was like to all my friends all week I was like I'm so cool guys like my sister's gonna make me go to her after prom like I'm so cool I had braces I was like I was about to say were you like wearing a retainer or something and literally like before I was like I was like texting

and yeah like dude send me the address like where's the after prom and she literally was like you're not coming what are you talking about like pulled the whole senior freshman like dynamic on me at the last second and I was so bummed uh what do you're Did you guys grow up? We grew up in the valley. Valley, Gary. Let's talk about the order of you ladies. Okay.

Who's the most orderly? Well, no, first born. Me also. I was the first born. I had three years of alone time with my parents. It was pure bliss. Then it got all fucked up. Three glorious years.

And then I fucked it up. Danielle came along and fucked it all up. um there's actually a really funny video of us visiting my mom in the hospital when alana was born and it's me like whispering to daniel i'm i was six daniel was three and i'm like whispering to daniel and we're like laughing and my dad was videoing us and was like what's so funny girls and i was like i'm not going to tell you And my dad was like, come on, are you excited about your little sister being born? And I was like, I just told Danielle shit's about to change.

And it changed for the better, bitch. Funny. Yeah, you made my life, you made my life so much better. It's true. Yeah, I'm the oldest. Right. So then Danielle. I'm the middle.

I'm baby. Do you guys feel like you have a very typical, I mean, since you're all girls, because we did this episode with this man who wrote a book called The Sibling Effect, and we talked about the order of children. Do you feel like you fit into that dynamic, like older child, middle child, baby? I've always wanted, I know. Did he tell you like the traits of each sibling? There's the stereotypes of it, but then there's the actual research behind it. But there is a favorite child. And who's the favorite girls? I don't know. Essie thinks me. it's me i know middle child i'm a middle child so middle child is definitely i think didn't he say

they become usually the ones that are the overachievers that makes a lot of sense denial's like i'll take it yeah i'll take it like and the baby of the family is usually the fuck up like no one cares about the baby the family the worst sibling is the baby but the middle child the baby is the I think that's the luckiest because A by the time they come around they're like the parents are like just do whatever the fuck you want I'm so tired being a parent and also the youngest child gets to like has two usually cool role models that can like tell them what's cool and what isn't are your sister's cool I mean do my sisters are exponentially cooler than I am exponentially cooler than I am where in the valley did you guys live we grew up in Valley Village, which is, was not cool. Right. It's cool now. Thank you.

I mean, the fact that the valley is like not, I mean, I still feel like being from the valley still gets shit for being from the valley still, which I take pride in. I'm all about it. Like, I'm fully an 818 Valley girl. But when we were growing up, it was like a lot of just like, all our neighbors were like in their 90s, their 80s or their 90s. So now going back home now. It's like all kids.

I'm like, this seems like so much fun. Like, my dream was to be like, my neighbor is my best friend. And then we fall in love and then we get married. Like that was like my dream scenario. And it was like my neighbor was like a 90 year old. Yeah. We were like, oh, life isn't Dawson's Creek when you're 14? Yeah, I'm like what?

I wish my life was Dawson Creek. But the valley, I mean, the thing that I love about the valleys are still some places that are still around that are just super iconic. Like oil can Harry's has been around. You guys Dawson Creek fans because, you know, Oliver was. Why do you think I said it? Why do you think I said it all of her? Ollie was that guy.

Eddie Doling. I stopped it, I said it, and I was waiting for Cape to spike in it. Eddie Doling, one of my great roles. We also all worked on Ventura Boulevard at one point in our lives. Like, it's very much. Oh, really? I worked with the German Outfitters and the Daily Grill on Laurel in Ventura. I also worked at American Rag.

That was my first job. No, that was the spot. Do you see what I mean? My sisters are cooler than me. Like, I was like, I'm working at urban outfitters. And I was like, bitch, I'm going over the hill. I'm going to La Brea and working at the cool sport in L.A. Wasn't your mom a teacher at Buckley?

My mom would talk about teaching at Buckley in the late 70s and the 80s with like such lore. It was like folklore. It was like, and then, you know, Paul Newman came in for a parent teacher conference. and I needed a lifesaver because I was drowning in his eyes and like stuff like that

I'm like mom my mom's like from Philly like she's from like the suburb of Philly and like she came her dad got my grandpa got a job in L.A and so he like uprooted his family and moved to L.A.

And then my mom basically my mom loved playing guitar but my grandpa was like you're never going to make money playing guitar you're going to be a teacher. So my mom was like in the middle of getting her teaching credential and to get your teaching credential you need teaching like teaching experience like you need experience so you like understudy a teacher for like a year

and so she got um like a job at buckley just getting like the un what i don't know the credits like credit credit credit and then the teacher ended up having a heart attack her first two weeks there the teacher that she was studying under had a heart attack in the parking lot of buckley And she passed away, unfortunately. And Buckley was like, do you just want the job? Because I guess you don't need a teaching credential to teach at private school you don't. For private school, you don't. You just like, cruised in like, hey, I'm going to teach.

Yeah. I guess so. So she became like this sole art teacher. At 22 years old. Hey, so what was just, what was the vibe growing up in your household? Like just the overall, what was it like? It was, I mean, when we were like really, you know, young, like, Esty would, I feel like the way that we would, like, all have fun would be,

like, SD would create these shows and we would, like, act in them. Like, I feel like that was, like, a big part of our childhood. Yeah. It was a lot of dancing. And she would be, like, the teacher in black swan. She'd be like, attack it. Attack it. Attack it.

I took it very seriously. Yeah, it was no joke. There's, like, there's a dance. We've been trying to find it because my parents have been on, like, a craziness nostalgia kick during this time. And there's one video that I remember seeing years ago, we did a dance to the theme song of Friends.

And it was on our basketball court. And it was like a lot of like running and then clapping. It was like a lot of like that. And it was, we did like a whole show sounds like a viral TikTok idea. I mean, just run off, you know. So it was very free spirited, very open.

Yeah. I mean, I think we're lucky. We're lucky that we have parents that really supported our creativity and like I think really when it comes down to it they wanted us to do things like dancing all the time because it tired us out because we had so much energy and like by the time five o'clock rolled around you yourself yeah I think it was more you you screwed everything up yes you just had so much energy and I'm sorry um I did have a lot of energy but I mean like growing up you know we had we had a mom who was like super artsy fartsy like played guitar like love doing like she my mom was like

the art docent in our class she would like uh donate her time to like do paper machine masks in my class like very like very maternal very cool and my dad was you know a soccer player and so he loved sports but he also was like a drummer like he was a drummer like he was a drummer hobbyist so my mom and my dad, like on their first, like when they got married, their first dance, instead of having a first dance, they had a first song. And my dad played drums. My mom played guitar and sang. Cute. At their wedding. Yeah. So then when we were growing up, I think that they kind of instilled in us, like, this love

of music, because that's kind of the reason they fell in love was their, like, their shared love of, like, the practic car of music. And so we all grew up, you know, hearing songs on the radio and then learning them by ear. And so eventually, my dad, like, woke up from a dream one night and was like, we're going to make a band with the kids. How old were you guys? I was 10. So Danielle was seven and Alana was four.

Oh, my God. Wow. Alana, what the hell were you playing? Like, literally, like, a cowbell. Like, I was not, I was, it's not like I was just, like, Wunderkind that was, like, playing, like, Chikovsky at, you. before like no i was playing like a cowbell whatever like i could lift i mean four years old you're like you don't even really have strength and were you guys down with it we're like oh this is cool

or like dad what oh yeah but playing songs we were like playing like beatles songs and stuff so it was like super it was just like fun i mean when we got a little older it was like is this cool well the other like i remember being i remember being 11 like a year after we had kind of formed this band with our parents. And I remember, like, I didn't really talk about it. It was just, I thought it was, like, something that you do when you turn 10. And, like, I therefore thought everyone had a family band. So, like, when my friends would be like, I'm going to the Fashion Square on Saturday.

Do you guys want to come? And I'd be like, wait a minute, like, when are you going to rehearse? And they'd be like, for what? And I'd be like, with your band, like, with your family, with your parents, like, when are you doing that? Wow. thought this is what everybody I thought it was everyone did and then I had a realization like oh no like my family is just a little weird but where did you perform so St. Francis de sales fair the St. Francis to sales fair that's like which was next door to Dixie canton elementary it's like the private school they had like the it was like the fair every year church fair church fair that we would play and then we would play like the Sherman Oaks Street Fair there was like a stage right in front of a party city. that we would play. It was good.

And all I wanted as we grew older was like to play bar mitzvahs and weddings so that I could afford a car. And my parents were like that's never going to happen. You're only playing for charity until you turn 18. And then do whatever you want.

And then you're someone else's problem. Wow. So you played for free. You played for free. Okay, good. And we honestly, and I feel like every time we talk about, it was called Rockenheim.

Oh, no, stop. That's part of God, with an O-G. R-O-C-K-I-N-A-N-A-N-A-M, Rockenheim. And like, whenever we talk about it, like, I just want to, like, make it clear, like, we were not a good band. Like, we were really not good. Like, we practiced so much and still. Like, in my mind, I was like, oh, my God, we were like, you too.

Like, we were the best band ever. And then I watched, like, videos of it. And we were awful. Like, we were, like, honestly, really bad. We were really bad. We were really bad. But it was fun. It was totally fun.

Did you gravitate towards the instruments that you guys now play or when you were younger? Or was that like a shift? Well, it all started with like my dad always had like a drum kit set up in the living room. So like we all kind of collectively started on drums and then moved on to like my mom had this piano that got handed down to her from her like great great grandmother. I don't know how we got it. It was like no idea. But we had this like. like piano somebody kind of like moved over to piano and then i think once like rockenheim was

kind of starting daniel just like there's like videos of daniel like as a baby walking towards the guitar i think that she like like he always gravitated towards the guitar yeah gravitated towards guitar and like always really wanted to play guitar so daniel kind of moved to guitar esthi tried guitar i was awful Esdie didn't really like take it as Esty turned into depresti after her six-year-old sister was exponentially better than her at an instrument

when she was nine. And I think my dad saw that I was like super discouraged and I actually have this like very vivid memory of my dad playing stop making sense for me and I remember seeing Tina Weymouth and being like oh she's so pretty and cool and she looks like Princess Peach and she's like what is this four stringed instrument

she's playing? I didn't know what a bass was. You know what like guitar makes like those are kind of the instruments that like and like when you listen to a song when you're younger you hear the melody you hear the words and you kind of like know the beat but like bass is not easy for like a kid to hear so I didn't really know what it was

And then my dad was like, see, like, look at how cool that girl is. And I was like, ah, I want to be like her. And so it was an image thing before it was an musical thing. 100%. I was like, I don't want to look cool. Like, what can I do to look cool? And then Alana kind of just played everything. I was always like the puzzle piece of the band.

Like I always loved percussion, but I also played keyboard. And then when I saw Danielle playing guitar, I got jealous and was like, I want to play that. too and so then I moved over to guitar but it kind of like shows even in high I'm like when you see us live like I'd pretty much play I have like a whole like wizard set up it's it really honestly my job hasn't changed since I was four that's so cute I want a wizard set up I want a wizard room yes you can we can help you set one up I mean we're pretty pretty like our the expertise when it comes to a wizard room is you need like timbales you need like a Calabelle Well, even the one thing that I never got to have that I always wanted was wind chimes.

Oh, yeah. I know you're the coolest. Yeah, that's good. Have you guys ever had any wind chimes in your tracks? It might start today. It might be, today might be the day. It's chime time. It's chime time.

We need to like bring that back. That's like early 80s. At least just open the song with it. You know. What about flute? As he played flute. I played flute. Jeff, like the Jeff Rottal of it all is not really like something that I think that we would get down with at this juncture in our career.

Yeah, yeah. But I will say this, Kate, I'm waiting for a Kate Hudson record. Yeah. I'm like, I know. I'm patiently waiting. I feel like we've been talking about this. For too long. For so long.

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I love. And it's called Hallelujah. And we wrote it with Toby JJ, Tobias J.J., Tobias J.J., he's really talented. So we basically, like, Tobias had kind of been talking to us about you know like what by the way i love that song we're sitting here not saying but i love that song oh thank you i love all of your guys music oh thanks it's okay you it's fine you don't you don't need to come i i'll compliment you till the cows come home yes i last we forget i was the one that brought up dawson's creek i know it's very shocking i'm really okay with this being a one-sided

I'm truly okay with that I will bow with the temple of Oliver Hudson No, I'm a giver, I'm a giver. How many people do you guys write with? Do you write with a lot of different people or do you write mostly with yourself? That's what's crazy about our relationship with Tobias is like he was probably like just one of like the handful

of people we've ever really written with. Yeah, you know. But that's like that being said, he really did bring something I think out of us that we had never really tapped into And we'd always wanted to write a song about, you know, sisterhood and being sisters and what it's like being sisters and how lucky we are. But we didn't really, it didn't really like come to us until we really sat down and each kind of wrote our own story. And then we put it into song.

And that's kind of how it was. It might be nice, actually, for something that personal too, like to actually get like someone to help kind of. Totally. Because it could turn like real, real cheeseball. It can go squirrel real soon. Yeah. Yeah. Is it?

Is it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Take one look to realize. Tell them anything and they will sympathize. These arms hold me tight. Old fears have to ease them in my mind.

Woo. Allie. Maybe we should write a song about me. You guys should start a band. Yeah, we should. Just don't. He can't sing. I don't know. He can do backup. He can do backup. It's just he'll. He can do backup. It's just he'll Kate thinks I can't sing I got I got pipes It's just it's authentic pipe You know

Yeah They're just authentic pipe It's authentic pipe It's not trained Golden pipes Yeah it's not trained It's just it's just pure soul Pure soul

Honestly studio magic is a real thing You can do anything in there That's true It's true we'll get someone else To sing your parts live No There you go Was one of you closer with the other

Was there ever like a dynamic shift? Did you, were you guys all, you know, were your parents really kind of, well, that's like a million questions. Well, let me just start with the dynamic. Well, I think, I think we really changed, honestly. Like, we were all, I mean, obviously we're still siblings. So we would fight all the time. Like when the Partridge family and so like we would fight all the time.

But I think honestly, when Essie got her license, that was like when everything changed because Essie could drive us around. But also I would say that like, I feel like Esty, you. when we're talking about, like, being younger, like, I feel like you and I had a really strong relationship and, like, Alana was kind of, like, our little, like... Yeah. Like, he would boss Alana around.

We would boss Alana around a lot. There's, I mean, there's videos of it, too. There's, like, video, like, evidence of, like, Danielle literally sitting on a stool and she dropped her pick in front of her. Well, to be fair, like, the stool was really high, and I was, like, playing around. I couldn't reach down to get the pick, and I'd be like, Alana, go grab my pick.

Can you grab my pick of this? Literally buy her. feet and I was like on the other side of the fucking room and I'd be like I literally like what I was like you see like you see my little like my little head like going in and like picking up picks and it's almost that's that's almost right of passage shit though like I see I see my boys doing that too you know where Bodie is my my middle boy but younger than Wilder and Wilder's like Bodie like go get me this or do this and if I ever see it I'm like get it yourself dude I know but but it happens all the time where Bodie's running around for wilder. For whatever reason, our parents were like, maybe we were just, like, really good about, like, just doing it without our parents, like,

either notice it or, like, they were, like, SDU always sat in the passenger seat. If the oldest, like, the oldest always sat in the passenger. Like, you had. There was no, like, like, shotguns. Oh, really? Permanent shotgun. She had permanent shotgun.

Estes still has permanent shock in. No shit. Or I'm like, I'm driving. Miss, I'm always, I always have permanent shotgun. You didn't get your license until you turned 18. I drove you everywhere. Aggression. Did you really not get your license until you were 18?

I didn't get my license until I was 18. Because she had us to drive her everywhere. I was like, I didn't need it. I was like, I didn't need it. Because the thing is, it's like, on, I have the best, again, I have the best sisters in the world when I started, when I got my braces off in the end of freshman year, I was finally allowed to go out with Esty and Danielle because then that was like the most embarrassing thing about me. I was like, I had braces. Like, I couldn't sneak in places because I had braces. Like, the bounce would be like, for real? Like, are you trying, you're trying to sneak into this bar? You have like, you brought your like toddler sister like with braces? Like, no, you're not getting in. Like, please. So, like, the second that I got my braces off, that's, like, when I was like, okay. Well, I got Danielle and Alana fake IDs when Alana was 14 and Danielle was 17.

What? 17, I can understand. I had a fake idea when I was 16. I still can't believe they let me in places. I looked ridiculously young. I mean, I also took, I took your, you like gave me your idea and you got like a new one. And then when I was like, yeah, 16, I would go and, like, like at cigarettes like I'd be like I'm 18 I'm 19 or whatever yeah but 14 trying to pass for 21

it hardly ever worked it hardly ever worked but the reason was is because me Danielle and alana when had this like very very very like deep passion for L.A. bands and like going to see live music and the thing about L.A. venues is they're all 21 and over chief being one of them but yeah I mean it wasn't my parents also like trusted the like speaking to dynamics like I am such an intense bulldog when it comes to protecting my sisters and like I make it abundantly clear that no one is going to fuck with them because I I get so like acutely agro when I feel like they're in danger or that someone's messing with them like I go I just see red all he's like the opposite with me. I'm like, I'm in danger. He's like, you're fine. I'll be right back.

Like, let me finish my cigarette. I'd be like, oh, yeah, I feel really unsafe. He'd be like, I'll be back in an hour. It's all in your head. You're good. So it sounded like, it sounded like you guys for the most part were all pretty tight. There was, I mean, you fought like sisters, but it was never anything that was bad. And honestly, that's the, we get that question. I if you guys get it to like do you guys fight all the time like that's the the most asked question like what you guys fight about yeah yeah like people are like obsessed with us fighting we don't really we don't really fight either allie and I don't fight we we we we'll we'll we'll disagree about something or we'll have like I'll be like

that wasn't cool but there's no there's no like fighting no I know and I know and usually the thing that comes after like do you guys fight we're like no they're like they'll be like oh I can't even I hate my brother I can imagine being in a band with my sibling Well I usually just hold a lot in And then it all comes out irrationally And some tirade That's some older that's that's the older sibling thing

So did you did you guys party together? I mean did you guys Yeah That's how Alana kind of got her nickname Was like whenever me and Danielle would go to parties He would be like where's the baby Where's the baby? Baby Hyam was born

Baby Hyam was born Where's the baby? Where's the baby? So cute. Well, there was like a loophole, like randomly. I don't know what my parents were thinking, but like I, I, I, till literally, I think to this day, if I was still living with my parents, I would have this curfew, but my curfew was at midnight, like, until I was, like, 23 years old.

Like, they were like, at midnight, you have to be home. But if I was with Esty, no curfew. Because Esty was, like, technically my parent. Now, were you responsible? Is Esty responsible? girl like were you like as he was so responsible the most honestly you think like i would always be like yeah esi's gonna let me do whatever i want esi was even worse than my parents as you would like like like eagle eye me and be like you're not doing jack shit like you're i've actually seen that eagle eye and esty

couple nights yeah esty eagle hyam was always my that was my nickname living up to my name i'll never forget there was like a huge valley party that we threw and it was so fun and like the party was getting so big that S the Eagl lied me so hard that it was getting too big that she dropped me home. I was like, dude, I want to stay at the party

and she was like, absolutely not. I'm driving you home. I don't trust these people. I think I was like 16. And she was like, I'm driving you home. And I was like, Buzz killed, dude. Like, I want to stay.

I'm for your own good, dude. Well, wait, but Danielle, where were you in all of this? Oh, I was at the party. Again, I still to this day maintain, like, the reason I felt cool going out was because I had Danielle and Alana with me. They were always so much cooler than I was. That's not true. It's 100% true.

Like, when it comes to, like, chill being had, I have no chill. I'm such a nerd and such a dork. And, like, I was so frantic as a kid. Like, all I wanted was, like, to be, like, I don't know. I wanted to, like, make friends with people. I came from, like, a really tiny school. And so, like, I would go out and I would go to shows. And all I wanted to do was, like, you know, I would go see Riloh Kiley at, you know,

Silver Lake Lounge. And all I would want to do was, like, be, like, friends with them. Because I was, like, I idolized them so much. And Danielle and Alana were, like, my armor. I was like, I have these, like, two really cool, like, death friends. Well, Danielle, Danielle, how did you see Esty? I mean, that's her perception of herself in a way. Did you see her the same way?

No, I mean, I saw Esty as the coolest. I wasn't. I really wasn't that. What are you talking about? I wasn't that cool. But it was, I, you know, I was like painfully insecure and all I wanted, all I. I still am and I was always very shy. So, like, I would always just be like, Esty.

Well, that was like the cool dynamic is like there was like this like really talkative, like, call her sister who would be like, ma'am, we're making off jokes. And then like, and then here's like this like cool girl with mystique, like, like, like sitting in the corner, like smoking a cigarette and like, and like we were kind of the gruesome to-sum. And then when Alana came along,

it was kind of like we were this like, doosh. Yeah, Lana like kick the door. Like, let me show you how this is done. Again, I think the common denominators that we just really loved like the LA music scene and like we really support. it and like we loved going to shows and again like our high school was really really small

and you know there weren't a lot of kids that liked the same music as I did and was and was as infatuated as I was with like going to see like live music in L.A. And so my friends were just kind of like we're going to go like to a theater show in downtown because they're doing like waiting for Godot and I'd be like that's cool. But like I really want to go see like Elliot Smith play down the street and so I didn't really have anyone to go with and like I was like oh here's these like I have like two girls in my arsenal like that can come with me and like I would buy I would like save up my lunch money to buy tickets and I just I did and I would take them with me again and again that's like I think that was what kind of bonded us is like I would be like I would buy you know

CDs from Amoeba and Second Spin and played them in the car. I drove carpool so, like, Danielle was in my carpool my senior year when she was a freshman and then when Alana was a freshman and Danielle was a senior, Alana was in carpool and like... Daniel was going to say, like, I was a senior when Alana was a freshman.

So it was like in that way like Esty introduced me to all of her friends and then like a lot was coming in. I went like every senior dude would be like, hey, like what's the deal with your like sister? That's not true. Stay the fuck away from her.

Well, hold on. When did the family band break up? And was that a really sad day? And is it on, and is it on VH1 behind the music? Honestly, in my dream. No,

technically we're not broken up. I might be married. We're still very much together. Rockingheim is still together to the day. Rock and I'm comes out probably every holiday season. Rockenheim makes, usually, like, makes an appearance,

like, Like, my parents wait. They, like, they wait until, like, they're not coming to see us in, like, Ohio or, like. No. They're like, no, we're waiting for, you know, radio city. We want radio city. We want the, we want the Greek. We want the Greek.

We want the radio cities. We want the, like, alley-pallies in London. Like, they come, they literally come out at every big show. And now they just expect it. That's the thing that's so crazy. Like, we won't, like, they bring their own in-ears. They have, like, generics. they're like ready there was like one time there was one time i think i forget was it

was it might have been radio city where my dad came up to us and was like so when are we coming on and we were like dad you're not coming on what are you talking about just go have a good time like go watch the show it's fine and then i felt bad so like the whole like my dad was like okay well and and then i felt bad the whole show was like oh you know what like there's like a microphone that like it's on stage that only everybody on stage can hear. So on the microphone, I was like, can someone just go get my parents? Like, let's, we'll, we'll do Mustang Sally.

We do a roaring rendition of Mustang, Mustang Sally. That's our song. Who's a lead singer on the Mustang? Oh, my mother. My mother. Okay. It's Donna and the Hymes. I'm not fucking with you.

I literally said on the microphone like, does anyone have eyes on my parents? Like, can you just like, tell them we'll do Mustang Sally. And I'm not even kidding you. Like, I felt like it was like roadrunner. They were just already back. stage like my mom's like warming up with tea she's like me me me me me me like walking around backstage my dad's like air drumming my dad's like stretching and like air drumming and is like

ready to fucking go and I was like they're professionals they're professionals that's awesome that's amazing what amazing memories though like to have with your with your parents that's cool my mom always comes on and like speaks for 20 minutes before she sings because she's just overwhelmed. Like she'll go on like a whole like monologue and there'll be a spotlight and like fog and she'll just be like I am just so excited to be here. We're like mom this isn't your show like what are you talking about? Do you think SD because she's the oldest had the biggest influence on the music that you liked? For sure. Oh 100%. 100%. And do you remember what that was the most like do you remember what was the most influential music that you guys listened to as kids?

what was it, your 13th or 14th birthday when SD got you all the CDs? Yeah, like, S. You got me a bunch of you CDs, I think, for my 13th birthday, and it was like... The Boogie Night soundtrack. Boogie Night's soundtrack, which is so, like, full circle. Elliot Smith. Elliot's men, Quiller.

Cat power. Cat power. I think it was also the Strokes. Animal Collective. And the Strokes. It was a room on fire. I think the Strokes was like the band that really just... Well, that first album is still one of the great albums.

Yeah. Yeah, it's like the best. And I think there, that was like the big bonding moment. Because before that, it was like, I love the spice girls and Esty like new metal. I like the telets have you. You know, like it was a little squirrely. But then I feel like that the strokes were like the big band that really liked. And also, like you can imagine like how excited slash jealous Alana and I were when Danielle became a part of Julian

band in 20 and 2009. I was so bummed. So jealous. Danielle like I would be S.E. was a senior in college. I was a senior in high school and Danielle was like touring the world with Julian Casablancus and I was like

what? I mean I was obviously so stoked obviously but I was like what is going on? How was that touring? At that age with them. Oh, it was crazy. I was like 19. Yeah. Like, you know, and we were, honestly, we, we were playing shows as high and in between, like, when I would come home.

Like, I feel like we played a show together at the Troubadour with Chief, like, in one of those breaks. And it was just crazy. Like, I was touring. Yeah, like, it was just fucking. But yeah, we, we did that show. And, you know, Danielle, Danielle had kind of, we had just opened up for Julian on tour. And I think that was kind of, like, Danielle did double duty. El played with Haim and then played with Julian.

And I think that was kind of the moment we were like, okay, we're fucking doing this. Like we've had a taste of this touring situation and we're doing it. When was the moment where it was like, okay, this is what we're doing and this is it, this is it. You know, was there a moment when that happened? I really feel like we didn't have like the confidence to like leave at like we would play shows in L.A. forever and like we could never get a good recording to like promote represent what we were

we didn't really know a lot about like production we got really into garage band Dingell's like a garage band like aficionado did you know who you were though had you discovered who you were at that point if there was a point from I mean we started playing shows as Hym in 2007 and we didn't get signed until 2012 so

in between that time like Daniel, remember, like, we were all playing just shows in L.A., just hoping to tour. Yeah, like tour one day. Like, the idea was to just, like, hopefully just keep playing. And at one point, like, headline the troubadour. And I feel like that there were some songs that were left over from The Wire. Yeah, our song The Wire, we wrote in, like, 2008. That was like the only one that survived.

Yeah. But I think they really, like, honed our live show just, I mean, it's like normal band shit. You just like grind, grind, grind, grind, and by the time we kind of went to the UK to get signed, like our show, we, like, we had our shit together because we have been just, like, grinding for six years or whatever. And that actually really helped us because that was around the time that, like, like, bedroom pop and people were, like, getting signed just from putting out, like, good sounding stuff. But, like, when it came to their live show, like, they didn't really know what to do. And, like, we were just like, we know how to do it. We're like, we don't know what the fuck we're doing on record,

but we don't know how to make a recording, but we definitely know how to play live. What about your songwriting process? I mean, is it pretty fluid or is there contention ever? Or how does that work? Yeah, I mean,

I think the thing, there's obviously times where, like, you think that, like, your words are, like, insanely profound. Like, you, like, write down this, like, profound thing.

And then you, like, show it to the group when they're, like, you're super emo, like, please stop. But then, but then, like, thing is like there's it's just like it just happens like we we in the beginning I feel like when we were like younger it was like a process that was like super like intense and I feel like since we've

been this is our third record now and I think that like by at this point now it kind of is just like second nature writing together yeah I also think like we realize that it's something that we have to work on actively it's like you have to just show up either like every day like when we're trying to write new music it's like all right like let's just try to and write something every day for the next month because if if not like I think when we were first writing music it was like oh I had this idea for a song

like that would happen like once every couple months or something where like an idea just kind of comes to you I think it's something that we've learned that like we have to actually like show up every day and and just yeah like just try to work that muscle because

that one idea that comes to you in the shower only happens like twice a year and it is a muscle because like you know you even if you sit down like it's like you almost have to write a hundred songs to write one great one like and then you think about all these people who just i don't they're just like always writing and they're so prolific and they write all these like saw and you're just like oh my but they're constantly writing music yeah that was like a big lesson i mean and it's it's also so hard to not judge what you you are writing the thing that we've learned is like don't sit down and

try to just and write a whole song like you can just sit down and just write a whole song like you can just sit down and just write a part. It can be a verse. It can be a chorus. It could be a bridge. As long as you're just putting something down and try so hard not to judge it, you can judge it later. Just like put it down so you have something like, this is what I worked on yesterday. And then, and then you can judge it later. That's like, that was, that's been huge for us. Yes. This is getting me inspired. I'm like inspired right now. I'm like, yeah, yeah. But it's great, guys. I have to go. But it's true though. It's true. It's just almost getting it out. lot of the times just helps so much, you know, because I would imagine that you can get so

specific and perfectionist. And sometimes that just holds so much creativity. Yeah. And just like judge it when it's coming out. You're like, this sucks. Never mind. Yeah. Or just like, it's like writing in general. That's why like when people have writers black, they're like just write. Just like stream of consciousness. Just like keep your pen move moving, you know. Yeah. And what about albums and stuff? I mean, do you do you do, you do, you, you do, you, do you work with concepts? Are you conscious of trying to change your sound? Not change,

but sort of evolve or do something different, you know? I think we honestly evolve naturally. It's like a weird thing. I think, I mean, when I look back on our first record, it feels like we were like babies. Like, it's like, we sort of were.

We were like baby. You literally were babies. I were babies. I think it really just, when we first started recording music, we honestly were so fucking green. Like we were really, like we had no idea what we were doing. Thankfully, we found producers that were like,

that could take like the gibberish that we would say and be like, we want this to feel like blue or like we want this to sound like this. And like they were really like, thankfully like we're patient with us. And I think now coming from like our first record now to our third record, we know the vocabulary. We know exactly what we want things to sound like. And I think it really just like,

when you hear our new record when it comes out um by far this is our favorite record i think that by far i mean it's like this is my favorite child talking about children my children um but yeah it just kind of happens naturally there's like we get inspired by different things and it really is like especially with this record it really was i mean there's so many different genres on our new record and it was really like what daniel was saying like not being scared of a certain genre and not being like super hard on yourself about what song is sounding like so do you ever fight over what songs you think should be singles or do you ever like how would you remedy a difference of opinion or are you guys pretty much on the same page like that's going to be

our first song there have been songs that like i am super passionate about that essie and daniel are not passionate about which well not not passionate about but like there was like on our last record our first single was called want you back and it was like a song which just like refused to make sense like we we did so many different versions of it and it just wasn't working and it and i always loved it i was like i love this song so much like i really feel like we're sleeping on this song like we need to put this song out and it took like me being like we're fucking figuring this out and then it ended up becoming our first singles like there's like things like that where it's like one of us if there's like a song we're like oh we forgot

about this song like that we're very open to like chill daniel how was we're I was working with Ezra. Father of the Bride is like one of my favorite fucking songs. Oh, I love that. I love it. My kids love it too. It was so great. You know, like we're obviously, we're also huge like vampire weekend fans when they first came out and we've like, you know, become friends over the years.

And my boyfriend, Ariel, who produces our stuff, was producing that album. So they were like always, we have a home studio. And so like Ezra would just be over and he'd be like, can you play a harmony on this? like sure and it kind of just turned into me being featured on the album which is awesome yeah I love that album uh that album is so good I'm so good I know oh wait but I will I want to ask about the song that just came out oh yeah before um how did you do this but did you have did you already it's called I know alone uh huh yeah did you write it in quarantine or did you already have No, it's so weird.

It's so strange. It's like fucking crazy. We wrote it like a year and a half ago. And it was always going to be after the steps. It was always going to come out after the steps. Like we had this plan of like what we wanted to put out. And it was always going to come out the time that it did. And it literally, it was just super weird timing.

Timing. But yeah, it's like become this like quarantine. Crazy. When does your album a drape as they say in the music biz? June Durap? June 26th is when it comes out. Well, did you read?

I mean, Allison and I are producer, we were just talking about the Atlantic article about the concerts. Did you? Oh, did it come up to a depressing? Is it depressing? I've just been getting depressing news.

I know. My heart can handle it. That honestly is like such as like the sad part of like what's happening. Like we were we had like, we were so excited to go on tour and like I don't even. We also like made this album like really making sure that like like, like like with playing live like in mind when making this album like oh this is going to be amazing live when we play it hard you know so it's really weird well you'll get there but it's

just you know it's one of those things when you love live music or you love to experience you know live music it's sad but it also does give me hope that like when it actually is safe to to go to concerts like people are going to like rage even harder oh my god it's going to be insane sorry i'm just going to rage like at every festival that i go to it's just going to be a new oh the feeling it's going to be so like elevated and oh yeah the vibration's going to be like the summer of love oh we also i was just about i was just about to say that it's going to be like the 60s and after world war too like everyone's probably going to start fucking and there's going to be like a new baby boom it's just going to be like i'll just fuck you like oh yeah finally i'm literally like i

mean like that's like literally like did you see my face how it glowed up and you're yeah you got very excited i'm like yeah exactly that's so funny okay okay speed round okay we got okay okay one word to describe estee alana and daniel you have to do one badass good um one word to describe us you're a party I feel like you are a party a badass party is so cute coming to these sisters okay one word to describe Danielle

prolific oh Lord I'll take it okay someone went to college did you know a party no I'm just kidding no

is you're like I think you're the it's like hard to put in a word no but it's hard to say a word like you can say it's just say a sentence intelligent I feel like didn't y'all I'll take intelligent intelligent yeah so you are

oh god so you're intelligently prolific I love it okay Alana one word to describe baby fun you guess you didn't go to college I like fun okay

you're fun you're like wait i feel like i have like a like a character like you're a baby yota yeah you also that's true you're a sage she's a sage a fun sage baby yota oh she's a fun sage baby yoda would you say i was wise why why there you yeah there you are wise beyond your year it's truly you are truly wise alon has given me such some of the best advice i've ever received And she's six years younger than me. Who's more organized of the three of you? Danielle. Am I?

I think it's me, by the way. It's Essie? Okay, Essie can take it. Fine. I'm organized. Best style. Danielle. Bossier.

The bossiest. Alana. I would say me. Alana. Who's the fun. Who's the funniest? Bestie. Me.

Me. Oh, we have a face coming from Alana. Alana's like, are you fucking kidding me right now? Give it to Sasty. Oh, but baby's sort of like, well. Yeah, baby's like, that's crazy. You're funny too. You're funny too, but I'm funnier than you.

I have my moments. I feel like I'm really funny. Well, hold on, Danielle break the tie. Who's funnier? I was going to say to Esty's credit, growing up, Essie was so fucking funny growing up. So Esty made it okay for me to feel like I could also be funny girl. Like Esty was like always funny.

It's always the life of the party. And it was like, you know, I was like, oh, if Esty can do it. Like I can do it. Like everyone loves Esty. I'm just, I'll be funny too. So Essie, you get it. You can have the funny. Rats off to you.

Brats off to you. Who would get you got like if you needed an upgrade at a hotel. If you needed to get yourself out of a ticket. Esty, easily. like that's as he does that now i do it now oh yeah yeah she she just offered to basically be my lawyer and negotiate you yeah i got you i act as my i act as my own like i i pretend to be this this character named ashley and i call ahead and i'm like you know estey hym is checking in you know she's going to need can she please have like i don't know a bottle of water when she gets there so you are your own assistant

is what you're saying. Yes, she's her own assistant. Ashley, Esty doesn't seem too demanding. You know, a bottle of water would be nice. Not a lot to ask for you. You know,

Liz, I like the simpler things. I'm not high maintenance. Who cries the most? Esty. Oh, really? You know what? It might be Danielle.

It might be Danielle. What was the last time you guys? When was the last time you guys cried? Yesterday. You cried yesterday? I cried yesterday. Happy cry or sad cry? Diane.

Like Diane Keaton like Yeah I love those cries though I cried I cried right before I came on here I tried to do a meditation and I just like Started crying Well I think that means we're doing it right Yeah no because I was mad that I couldn't do it right so I just cried Well that's why I don't do it because I can never get it right

I'm like something is going on with Oliver I mean when we get off of this I need to I need to check in there's still things the unpacking is still it's a process I know I know these months I mean the layers of this figurative onion are like annoying me

it's like what there's another layer come on oh it's it's it's the largest onion anyone has ever seen it's the just get me to the core God damn it. But it's so much fun peeling all the layers and crying after each layer. Who's the most dramatic?

Esty. Esty. Who calls each other like the most? I call everybody. You do. I call you. S-D. Okay, fine.

I'll give it to you. I'll give it to you. You definitely are the best about picking up your phone. That is for sure. there have been times where it's like I'm literally like breaking up with my boyfriend and a fucking sister will call them and be like, sorry, one second, can you just

hold that thought really quick? I just have to go pick up my phone for my family. I pick up every phone call from my family. It's true. Who's the worst driver of you three? Alana. 100% a lot. Oh, 100% a lot. I wear it tried. Oh, good. Okay.

Who's the better cook? Dineo. Who is the better dancer. S-D. Okay, if you were to cast you guys as like, so like, like who would play you in the movie, the Heim Sisters? Your mom.

Your mom. I call Merrill Street. No, no, you guys, you can't cast yourself. It has to be your sister's casting you. We can cast ourselves? You guys are first wives club. It's like, Danielle's for sure, Diane Keaton. Okay.

Esty, I would say either, like, Barbara Streisand. Ooh, that would be a good one. Like, like, Babs would play, like, an epic SD. Like, and then. Oh, totally. Like, in the way we were, like, with, like, a... I sat next to her ex-husband at a, at a Shabbat once. I sat next to Elliot Gould, and let me tell you, we had a great time.

We talked a lot. And at the end of the night Everyone was going home And he looked at me and he was like You know you remind me so much of a young Barbara And as the head just exploded Like as he can't fit in a doorway now As he was like

I'm actually a hologram of myself right now I died that night I'm like just sweet deceased I'm like not I'm not here right now Who would play me Oh yeah Alana Merrill Street

We also That's good Merrill. Meryl Streep You guys This is a very different age bracket Of a movie But this is like you guys old

You just you guys just did you guys Like It's like funny casting Oh like This is like literally how we think of you Like can you think of like It's hilarious It's like what is this movie

It was Barbara Spires at Meryl Streep and There was Diane Keaton and Babs I'm like We're in a very different era really funny. It's so true. But I like it.

The fans of Meryl Streep, Barbara Streisand, and Diane Keaton would sell out Dodger Stadium. Oh, yeah. That's right. That would be big. Easily.

We need Bet Midler in there somewhere. I would call, I call Bet. Okay. Who's a rule breaker? Who's like the most achievers? Alana. Hands down.

Alana. 100%. First celebrity crush. Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Oh, my God. Right. Devin Sawa. Oh, my God.

Devin Sawa. I remember that guy. Jonathan Taylor Thomas was on Home Improvement. He played the Lion King. He was the voice of Simba. Mine was writer strong from Boyle's World. Yeah. Very Jonathan Taylor Thomas-esque.

Yes. Yeah. He's like, like, the 90s. Devin Sawa was sort of a darker bad boy. Yeah. Yeah. Makes a lot of sense that didn't know like him. Interesting.

Rooting. brooding what about first concert you ever saw first country dubie brothers yes dubie brothers cool that's I've been on a dubie brothers kick

this quarantine I know it's true taking it to the taking it to the streets I will never forget when at that concert I smelled weed for the first time I was like fully

I was like a baby I was like a full baby and I remember returning to Esty and being like I remember the whole concert I was like, I was like, what is that smell? I did that. As he was like, that's weed.

And I was like, it's awful. And then flash forward to when I was 13. Different story. Different story. My parents didn't take us to like, like, we wanted to go see the Spice Girls. We wanted to go see like, NSIC and Backstreet Boys. And my parents were like, lull, that's really funny. Didn't go to any of those, like the epic Britney shows that happened.

when, like, I was in, like, middle school and high school, like, wasn't allowed to go. My parents would, you know. What if you, what if you girls could, like, live in a decade? What do you think? Where do you think you'd live? The 70s probably. I think 70s. Yeah.

Because you've had disco and you also had, like, sick, classic rock and, like, y'all. We'd all be there together. I think so. I feel like just, like, the, like, notion of, like, my parents talk about it all the time, like, when, I mean, they were, like, disco, die hard. Like, literally, like, you would probably, like, you would probably, all the week your dance moves with your dance partner at a dance like at a dance studio how fucking cool is it was so like my mom had a dance partner and they would like go to like a

little dance like place so like had like rooms and they would practice their dances then on Friday night you go to the fucking dance club with the light up dance floor and you show off what you practice it was like a job it was like a cool job imagine you and Danny I mean you and Danny practicing every night? Every night and then going and like showing off your moves like your couples dancing. Like my dream my dream is to like open up a club

like that in LA like I could all I want to do is just dance I don't need anything else. You guys dance dance moves are one thing it's the outfit I know and the clothing okay guys who's the politest to strangers me I think we all are actually

yeah I think I would say Danielle though because Danielle's the quietest in the family, so just innately the most polite. We're all really, like, we're all really friendly. No, for sure. And they're nice to people. Who's the best in a stressful situation?

Esty. Yeah, that's true. Okay, and let's do the last one. We do this, we ask this to everybody, but it's a two-parter. The first part is, what, what is something that your sister has that you would love to take for yourself, meaning a quality or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or something that you could have as your own. And then on the flip side of it,

what is something you would alleviate from them? If you could take it away to sort of make their life better in some way or to take away any stressors or pains or anything like that. Let's go baby first. Okay. So you guys both talk about Alana. I wish I could take Alana's wisdom. and in and like in Yiddish we have this word sechel sechel she has street it's not just that

she has like good advice but she has like streets marks and I'd want to alleviate um I think just a lot is very sensitive and I'd want to like I'd want to alleviate that from her I don't want she's you know I think her sensitivity can be a good thing but I think you know it can also be it can also be, you know, crippling sometimes. And I would want to take that away. I'll take it. I love it. Danielle for.

I would want your ability to make a good toast. Oh, make a good steak. Like it's like a speech. No, not like sourdough. No. I was like, I was like, a lot of has, a lot of it can like make like a speech. It's true.

Like very. I love. She loves a speech. A speech. I want that ability because I'm horrible on it what would I want to oh God take

I don't know I'm perfect I mean I feel like it's the same with me like when I feel like it's the family train like I feel like we get overwhelmed and like we're like unable to like see anything other than like when we're overwhelmed I feel like I do that.

I would want to take that away because I don't know. I please take it. I honestly don't want. She doesn't want it. She's so cute. Okay, Danielle. Now we're going,

now we're focusing on Daniel. Okay. I would want Danielle's passion as well as ability. I think that she's one of the most like driven and passionate people, like perfectionist, like,

extraordinary and I wish I had more of that and yeah what I'd want to take away from her is her like getting overwhelmed and like anxiety and I guess it also goes back to like sensitivity

and stuff I think we're all like very very sensitive people and I'd want to alleviate like the pain and the anxiety that she has sometimes all right last but not least big sis

I would... No, no, Lana has to go. Oh. Typical for a baby. No one cares about me. I'm sorry. Fuck everyone. I'm fucking done.

No. I would take Danielle's creativity. Danielle is, I honestly think creative, like with everything that she does, she, like, her brain is always in the future. She just, like, always is just so fucking good all the time. Just blows my mind. all the time um and what i would take away from me is probably stress daniel you know it's a lot of stress daniel holds a lot of things up her shoulders i don't we're sensitive sallies

we're very sensitive yes okay big cissy time this um okay s d oh i if i if the one thing i wish i hadn't i also tell you this all the time is that sd has like zero fear she like actually does not have fear. Like in life, like she has gotten, she has snuck me into so many things without any fear. Like to the point where I like get super stressed out about like, that's not going to happen. I don't know what's going to do. Like what's happening? She's like, come the fuck down. I got you. Like she's always had zero. She's always had zero fear. Um, but I would take away, obviously, I don't want you to have diabetes anymore. I would love for you to just be healthy. I would love to take that away and alleviate. I think both of us, you'll probably say the

same thing. That's going to be mine too. And I just, again, I don't want to have stress over health. That's like the thing that you stress about the most is that of your health. So I wouldn't want to take that away from you. I feel like mine are so like along the same lines. Yeah. I mean, Esty, like, definitely like doesn't have any sort of fear.

Her ability to talk. Oh, that's true. anyone like i can't this is like this is my typically virginia i'm like very shy um sd can talk to anyone for hours i wish i had that for myself i'm so bad at that i'm like have social anxiety so i would definitely take that um yeah and obviously i want to rid esti of her diabetes oh so how are you with that meaning like it's this a crazy time i mean are you where's your fear level at this point do you just staying inside yeah i mean it's funny you talk about fear it's like that's the only thing that i'm like fearful of is like my health everything else in life i think i

just kind of have this trust in the universe that everything's going to be okay and i think that's where my fearlessness comes from and i also am just i don't know i've from like a really really really really young age, I guess I've always felt like, why not try? And now with this coronavirus, I have to kind of rein that in a little bit and be like, no, like you need to not trust in the universe that you'll be okay and stay the fucking side and be as careful as possible. I mean, I think... Are you very open about your diabetes? Do you talk about it a lot? I take every opportunity I possibly can to talk about it because I think that like it's important to like raise awareness and also like have a sense of community and I like to make people uh with autoimmune disease kind of

I want them to not feel so alone and I think there is like a loneliness that kind of sets in when you have an autoimmune disease because your body is quite literally turning against itself and like it's it can be a little frustrating and isolating and um but yeah it's like you know the way that again, I'm lucky that I have Dinell and Alana with me on tour because I don't think I would be able to really like thrive on tour the way that I do if I didn't have Dinell and Alana

because they're so they're so like caring when it comes to like the food that I'm gonna eat. I mean, diabetes is a 24 hour job you can't clock out of. So like and the mental component to that is really intense and like there's definitely days when I'm like, fuck this, I'm done. Like, I'm, I'm done caring about this shit.

I don't care what I eat. I'm not going to take my insulin. I don't give a fuck, and you can't do anything about it. And then I have Danana being like, that's not true. There is something you can do about it. You can, like, rain it in for a second. Like, everything's going to be okay. What do you need?

Like, and I'm lucky that I have two people that care about me as much as they do in my life. I mean, of course, my parents care as well. But, like, I don't see my parents on a day-to-day basis. like I see DiTalana. And in quarantine, it's been a lot of like, do you have enough insulin? Do you have enough? Like, do you have enough CGMs? Like, do you have enough supplies for your insulin pump? Like, how are you feeling today? It's like a lot of like us checking in with each other literally every day to make sure that, you know, each of us is okay. And again, like a lot of type one diabetics don't have that. And that's everything I've been hearing from them during quarantine. Like

there's like a community of type one diabetic girls that I talk to um and that's kind of been the hardest part is like because most of them are in isolation and living by themselves and like quarantining by themselves is like they don't really have people to kind of interact with in that way and like to talk to and be like I'm really not feeling you know the best up here today I had a high blood sugar I don't feel well like and so I guess I I try to be that for as many you know type one diet better girls as possible but you know again I'm lucky that I have Danielle and Alana they are my biggest cheerleaders every time like I have a load they're there every time I like have a like a victory like I get test results back that are good like they're right there to

like congratulate me and like make me feel like I'm making progress and But yeah, it's, you know, it's not, it's definitely not easy, but, you know, everyone, there's good days and bad days. I think it's really important, you know, this is, I think a lot of people, whether it's type one, type two, pre-diabetic, this is a very, very scary, you know, until they have treatments that make it a little bit more understandable, you know, it's just a scary time. and it's, I think it's amazing if someone has any kind of platform to like just talk about their own experiences. It goes such a long way and people feel so alone. You're what you're saying. And it's, you know, they feel alone. And I mean, when I was first diagnosed, I think the only person that really ever talked about being diabetic was Mary Tyler Moore. And I just remember like being like I like great but like you know there wasn't really like someone that was speaking outwardly

about like I have this this is what I've gone through you're going to be fine and also you know I think it also comes down to like the people around you including like doctors what I think is so crazy is like telling diabetics that like they won't be able to do the things that they've dreamt of doing because of their disease and how it's almost like they almost treat it like it's yeah like it's going to be something that's going to keep you from your dreams i told my doctor at 14 i want to be a touring musician and he was like that's going to be hard i would maybe find something else to do and the other day my mom was telling me how her best friend's neighbor just got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at 17 and she wanted to go into the navy and the navy was like

well you can't now because you're diabetic and you know that was her dream and like Like, you know, and there's things like my dad, you know, there's this like this infamous story. My dad wanted to be a pilot. And we've all seen Little Miss Sunshine. Basically what happened to my dad happened in Little Miss Sunshine. Like his whole life he wanted to be a pilot. All he dreamt about was being a pilot. And then he took a test and they were like, that's funny.

Your colorblind can't happen. And he was like, I demand a retest. I'm not colorblind. And then lo and behold, they did like the numbers test and he was colorblind. And I think his whole life, he just kind of felt like, well, that sucks. But I think when it's something like type 1 diabetes that's like this thing, we're like, everyone, you know, I know the statistics. I know, I know what I'm dealing with. But I think it's also important to have this sense of, like, hope and, like, think about your, like, the things you want to do in your life and your future and be, you know, ferocious and, you know,

passionate about the things that you want to do and not let something like that get in the way. But it's frustrating when it's something that's physical and, like, your health that's stopping you from achieving your dreams. I'm grateful that you talk about it. I think it's awesome. And it is, like, listen, like every day, like I said, every day is different and every day is like going into it being like, okay, I'm just going to do my best. And like, if I have a bad day, I have a bad day.

And, like, you move on. But, you know, like I said, yes. I do think that, you know, we're writing our journeys and we're writing our lives day by day. But again, I'm lucky that I have two people that are truly supportive. Well, if you need a third and you get lonely, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I don't know what it's like to live with boys. Like, what's going to happen if we have sons. I don't think I'm going to know what to do. It's great.

You know what? It's the best. I feel super lucky to have all brothers. But then at the same time, every time I talk to sisters, there's this little, like, aching thing in me. I'm like, I know we're not a sister. You can hop on to our side. You can hop on to our side any time you want. Okay.

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