Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - The Hill Siblings: Taylor, Logan, Mackinley & Chase

Episode Date: July 29, 2020

Taylor, Logan, Mackinley and Chase Hill join Kate and Oliver on this week's episode. They chat about growing up in Colorado, how and when they got into modeling, how their sibling "clubs" shifted over time, who shared a room, how they all got quarantined together, and much more. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Helix and Sakara.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So this was a fun episode. We did it in the beginning of quarantine. The whole clan. The whole family, which we were kind of nervous about it. Were they the first one that we did with four? Yeah. We had four people on. Yeah.

They Logan, McKinley, Taylor, and Chase. Yes, that is. I don't think in that order. But you could actually tell who is who on this one, I feel like. You know, all of their voices are very distinct. But it was at the beginning of quarantine, they all were back home with their parents. Yeah, it was like. It was fun.

The brother. That poor brother. Poor brother. He's like the hottest guy. He's like, he's like Taylor is a male. I know, but he's doing just fine. The only dude. I know, with all his cissies.

The opposite of me. I know. So poor Kate is what you really wanted to say. Poor Kate. Life has been rough. But, Ollie, they grew up in Colorado. So that was something that we connected on. And they're all super close in age. So it was like very busy parents.

And I think it was the youngest, the youngest siblings we've spoken to, I think. They are. And they're all so young. and they've so much ahead of them. Oh, my God. Even collectively, I think if you add them all up, they're still younger than you. I apologize. I couldn't hear what you said.

Oh, well, let me repeat it then, Siri. But it's true. I mean, it was really sweet. But they're good, they're great kids. They have great, good heads on their shoulders, especially Taylor. I mean, she's been, you know, this sort of supermodel since she was a kid, but is really grounded. Yeah, she's really cool. I loved them.

That's her mother in the background. Her mom with the dogs. So anyway, it was really fun to be able to, you know, talk to all of them and see their dynamic. So here is Taylor, Logan, McKinley, and Chase Hill. Hi, you guys. This is so fun for us because. we've never done, we've always been afraid to do more than two people because it gets a little wild with the sounds. But this is the first time we've done more than two siblings. So

yeah, we've made a jump from two to four. Yeah, good luck. Taylor, Miss Taylor, we'll start with you. And then let's go around and just say your name speaking. We can maybe get like, I don't know, there's no way. People are going to have no idea who. McKinley and I actually sound really similar. So people just really listen carefully to our voices. You'll know who Chase is because he's the only boy. So here we go. There's three sisters, three Hill sisters. So why don't we go actually by age?

We'll start in order. Say our ages and go around. So that means Logan, you start. I'm Logan. I'm 25. I'm the oldest. I'm Taylor. I'm 24.

I'm the second oldest. I'm McKinley. I'm 22, turning 23 soon. I almost said 23. Not yet, yeah. And then I'm Chase and I'm 21, the baby. The baby. Oh, the baby boy.

Oh, geez, you're so spoiled. I can't even imagine what your life is like. The baby boy. Let's start with that. How is that? How is it being the baby boy? Having three sisters was kind of crazy growing up. There's not much time spent.

Like in the backyard doing, like, boy things. It was mostly playing with some dolls, some, my little pet shop. But, I mean, it's pretty cool to have three sisters that teach you a lot about how to treat a woman and be a good man, I guess. That's great, dude. Did they dress you up? I think they did my makeup once. I think I remember that once and then probably some dresses here and there when I was a baby. well you guys are all really close in age i mean mom and dad just went for it right i mean you're all

full brother-sister oh yeah yeah our parents are together for 31 years so we're all together so oh my god so four kids under five yeah yeah oh my god so your parents were just like Yeah. Silver Fox and mom were just like, all right, we got a plan, okay? Five-year plan, let's go. Let's just make this all happen right now. Yeah. I was trying to get a boy every time.

They wanted a boy each time. They kept trying for the boy until they got the boy. Yeah. I think that's, it's like really clever, too, because, like, then you guys all grow up at the same age. And so you kind of all take care of yourself, I would assume, each other. I mean. Yeah. Yeah.

And then your parents could just like chill. Yeah, Logan's my second mom. I always say that. She really takes care of me the most. Unwillingly. Well, she takes care of everyone. Logan is just everyone's mom when mom's not around. Even when I'm around Logan, I digress as an adult.

And I'm like, Logan, can you make me breakfast? Can you do this? And she just does it. She's just the best at doing all that stuff. Logan, that's actually really. Interesting, because you're the oldest of four all so close in age. So for you growing up, you must have felt like, I mean, that you were definitely felt like the oldest, right? Oh, yeah.

Like, I, they would all be playing marmays in the swimming pool, and I'd be sitting in my lounge here reading, like, I don't want anything to do with that. Even though, like, Taylor was a year younger than me, I'd be like, I'm too old for all this stuff. So you're your Colorado family, though. Let's start there because we are as well. We're a part of a crew, because if you're from Colorado, then all for one, one for all. So where did you guys grow up in Colorado? We grew up in a small town outside of Denver called Arvada, and then we also split time in a mountain town called Winter Park. Chase was on the snowboard team in Winter Park, so we did weekends, Fridays to Sunday in Winter Park.

How cool. I know. Were you in a mountain setting or were you in a more flatter part of the state? We had a bit of both because we split time in the mountains for chase and stuff. But yeah, the suburb neighborhood was flat in the flat area, but it was still very outdoorsy. We had a park really close to our house and a really cool walk to a community pool. in our neighborhood in the summertime and that was really fun and we kind of grew up like being outside i remember never really wearing shoes um except for in the winter when you have to wear shoes

obviously uh climbing trees playing outside we grew up snowboarding skiing um mountain biking hiking all that fun stuff so yeah it was it's so fun isn't it like colorado does sort of breed very outdoorsy kids. Yeah, clearly. We love it. I mean, every time we go back, it's very serene, and I just feel the most at home there. I'm always like, oh, time to breathe, be outside. Yeah, it's true.

It's like the minute that you land in Colorado and get off the airplane. Oh, there's a specific smell of DIA. Yeah. Like the Denver airport smells a certain way, and I always, every time I land, I'm like, that's the smell. Yeah. as weird as that sounds it's so true you you were saying about barefoot except in the winter but we used to do this thing where we would do a competition of who could run to the barn

and back um barefoot and we have a gravel road so the the little rocks would like in the ice they'd stick to your feet and our barn's far you know it's like we have a gravel road so the the little rocks would like in the ice they'd stick to your feet and our barn's far you know it's like we had to actually like really book it you know really

it was a smart game it was either you get frostbite or win oh the thing I don't know if we did the thing where you were in the hot tub

and you would roll in the snow yeah you'd have to jump back in and like that was the challenge that we did it was like we had a hot tub in the mountains and you would sit in the hot tub and then jump out and roll in the snow and see who could last the longest or something like that.

It was never very long, obviously, because it was negative three degrees outside. So what was the dynamic like with all of the kids when you guys were little? Was it, you know, chaotic or were you guys pretty chill? The four-sum. I think we were all chaotic, like, running around, like, these little Colorado kids, like, In our neighborhood, we had a pond in like this path that we called the black path because the pavement was black. And we were all just like running around like just hanging out at the pond and like doing

random stuff, I think. Yeah. What about the dynamic between the four of you, you know? You had clubs, not teams. It was one point where we had a club that was the I hate Logan club. She used to be so mean to us and she would never let us have a TV remote. so we formed a club and then I think the dynamic was like Chase was Logan's favorite for a while and it was me and Taylor against them because me and Taylor actually used to share a room together

and then we shared a room together for our whole lives pretty much since five years old yeah so like there was definitely some sides some shade being thrown sometimes it was pretty chaotic we used to fight a lot but they were fun like we can all whole holds our ground, you know. Holds our ground. Oh, my God. I feel like, I feel like, you know, we're saying, like, what was your guys dynamic? Like, but you guys are all in your early 20s still.

I mean, Logan, you're on the edge. But, you know, you're still, you guys are still so young. Like, you still have so much more of that dynamic to happen now than you're adults. You have much, you have more time to, you have some time to hate each other. So right, right now you're in love fest. but just wait till your 30s. Who was the first one to, like, Logan, did you leave right out the bat? Taylor was actually the first one to leave because she started modeling at, like, 14, 15.

So she, I think you went to, what, semester at our high school and then she left. And then did you, Taylor, did you finish high school? Like, were you homeschooled? Yeah, so I was like halfway through my freshman year of high school. school when I was scouted and started modeling full time. And I dropped out of my high school and went to online school. But it was super difficult to keep a full class schedule because the way online school worked was you had to clock an hour for each class. And I was on set for eight hours plus a day. And back then, they didn't have the same regulations in modeling as they do now

with, you know, breaks and, you know, being a minor and stuff. So I was doing 10 hour days, 12 hour days sometimes and doing school full time. So my mom and I were getting very frustrated because she traveled with me everywhere and went with me everywhere that I went and was trying to help me do homework and school. And she's like, I haven't been in school for 30 years. have no math. I don't know how to do any of this. And then eventually I just took the GED when I was about 15 so that I could test out of school and focus on modeling full time. And I had a backup plan and some sort of high school diploma, but I didn't ever like fully properly graduate from high school. And did your, did your parents have to make the decision, you know,

where it's like, okay, this is obviously what you love to do. This is going to make you potentially a lot of money. This is going to be your career. We're going to put school off and we're going to sort of allow you to go down this path. I mean, was there a decision that had to be made a moment? Yeah, there was for sure. I was probably about 15, a couple months after my 15th birthday. I started getting requests to walk shows.

in Fashion Week, and my mom was like, this is crazy, you're doing well and doing successful shows and, you know, Versauchy and, you know, versus by Versace. I was one of the first things I did when I was, you know, like 15. I was a little baby. And my mom's like, you're already walking for all these brands and traveling all over the world. And I was shooting for H&M and doing campaigns. And my mom's like, wow, it's either we stop all of, this and you continue going to school or you make an ultimate decision where if you do this, then this is what you're doing. And she kind of within herself was like, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity and school is always there for you in a way that maybe a career in

entertainment, fashion and modeling isn't always going to be there. So since it was happening so quickly, we were like, well, I guess we should just pursue this and be smart about education as well. So I was still obviously safe and wasn't a high school dropout. I have a diploma of some sort. But yeah, it was crazy. I think that's interesting because it's true. It's like you have an experience. It's like, do you take that and do you run with it? Everybody does have a different destiny. And look, I mean, what an amazing opportunity to be a teenager and to be going around the world now at the same time like like where were all of you guys in this they were back home they were in colorado going to school and it was crazy i mean from my experience like fuck taylor

she gets to go do this and she's on the fashion she's walking the things and she's in Milan and we need to discuss this how was that really for you guys i mean each person must have had a different experience with it i mean i got my own room Cool, bro. So that was nice, but, yeah, like in the early days of Taylor, like, leaving, it was weird. But then we started going to California a lot, too, when she was really modeling there, when she was, like, 17, 18. We got to go out there and spend summers out there. And then I also went online my freshman year of high school because I also was traveling for modeling during that time.

to do to L.A. So I got to see her a lot more than Chase did, for example. So it was like nice to like go back and forth and see half of the family, then go and see the other half. And yeah. So you started modeling and you're how much younger? Like 16 months. We're about 16 months apart. I mean, from your perspective, when you see your 15 year old sister like walking, walking the Versace show or you know Versace

I don't know I don't know I was like probably there I you might have been sitting front row at a couple of the shows I walked in as a teenager to be honest

I mean because you got you guys are really close in age especially for the girls was there an element of wishing that like you could be leaving your school and having those experiences? Or were you guys pretty supportive?

I think we were pretty supportive. Like, I think the, I just thought it was weird. Like, I just thought it was so strange that Taylor was doing this stuff. Like, never in a million years would I ever think that Taylor could even get an opportunity to do something like that. So I don't, I think I had like moments of like, why is this happening? But it was never more, it was not really jealousy. It was just like confusion. It was like, this is so weird, but it's so cool.

Yeah, it wasn't something that really happened to our hometown. I think a lot of people, I went through all of our high school. And when Taylor left, everyone was like, oh, she's going to go do what? Like, what? And everyone kind of was like, that's stupid. That's weird. And then when she, like, was walking the runways, people all of a sudden were like, oh, my God. We used to be best friends.

I knew, too. She was here and all this stuff. She was kind of like the famous, like, cloud at our high school, and I would be like, oh, my God, that's so cool. I used to talk to it in my Spanish club. No, you didn't because they didn't even know I went to the school because I really only went for half of my freshman year. So it was just, it was once I left, they were like, oh, she went here.

It's like a little bit, kind of. What was your favorite thing to do as kids? It's like when you guys were in Colorado, like, what was like a traditional thing that was sort of with your family that you did together? I think that would probably be skiing and snowboarding or probably be something that we always do when it's, you know, not summertime. We usually go during the winter to go snowboarding because now we never get to. When we were kids, like little kids, we hated it. But now we're like, oh, let's go. We got to go, go snowboarding, go home.

gotta get the time in chases does it at every chance he gets he's crazy i think like growing up though we were all like taking lessons at winter park resort that um town and yeah we all started snowboarding around the same time and i think we all loved it like that was our escape from the suburbs of colorado and we got it all just like being the mountains together and have fun and um yeah yeah is this the longest that you guys have been together in a long time yes yes how How is that? You know, I mean, you're so used to now sort of globe-trotting, all of you, except for maybe Chase. Chase is probably just like, oh, God, thank God.

These women are just doing their own thing and I can hang out for a second. So you guys were quarantining. Explain how this happened that you guys are all quarantining together. Well, we kind of came down to Florida, to my parents' condo, and we were coming down to see each other for a couple days for McKinley and Chase's spring break. And I was only supposed to be here for four days and go back to New York to shoot. And my photo shoot got canceled because of the state of emergency in New York. And then two days into us being here, the lockdown happened in quarantine.

And we were like, well, I guess we're staying until it's over. Thank God. Mom makes dinner for us every night, which is so nice. So now, what is that like? Well, me and McKinley are sharing a room. So that's been interesting I've been borrowing her clothes She doesn't like it

But the thing is I only I was so proud of myself coming here I brought one suitcase And I was like look at me go One suitcase for 10 days Who could imagine And the little does Did I know? Wow

I should have brought like all my clothes I was so proud of myself in that moment And I really just screwed me over But no we're sharing around How did you decide who sleeps together Like who's sharing the room? I don't know who decided. I think it's because me and McKinley have very similar sleeping habits.

We like to sleep in and then we stay up until like 2 in the morning watching Rally TV. So I think that's why we were put together and then Chase. Are you watching Too Hot to Handle? My new favorite show? We started it. We have on episode one. Oh, yeah. We watched out the other day.

Yeah. She likes Love Island. It's so much like Love Island. It's crazy. And I love Love Island. Like I watch it all the time. When we started to watch it, it gets too hot to handle, it gets, it's just hilarious. It gets funnier and funnier.

And so clearly you've seen love is blind. Yes. That was great. Great. That was great. You don't watch that kind of stuff, but we're a little more similar, I think. Yeah. Yeah, I have no idea what they're talking about.

That world is very different for me. I'm like, you do, you who? The Bachelor, but they sang all the Bachelor. and why is there more than one bachelor on the show? I'm so confused. It's like, I'm just not my world. So do you guys share a room? No, we each have our own rooms.

Nice. Also, McKinley and I shared a room, so we don't really like to share a room anymore because we did that for about 15 years, so we're kind of over it. And then McKinley and Chase live together in New York and their roommates, so they don't want to live together in the same room.

They tried for a week and it didn't go so well. Chase doesn't want to live with me. I didn't have room with Chase. I think there's two beds in there. I think the reason no one wants to room with Chase is because he tends to scream in his sleep and like chalk gibberish. And it's really. He's a sleep talker. And occasionally Chase is a sleepwalker.

He was, we were in the same room like two weeks ago. And he literally jumped out of his bed in the middle of the night, 4 a.m. screaming, jumped onto my bed, ricocheted off my bed, and hit the floor, and I was like, what is going on? Yeah, I had, like, a really gnarly dream that this, like, mouse was coming after me and, like, jumped on my back, and then I woke up and, like, catapulted myself onto McKinley's bed and, like, bounced off and hit the floor, and she was like, and I was, like, screaming, and she was like, chase, chase.

I'm like, I'm good, I'm good, just a bad dream. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's why he had to show me in real. That's why no one sleeps in the same. I guess like, because I'm asleep, I don't know what's going on. But yeah, I guess I talk and like I sleepwalk sometimes. I don't know.

That's crazy. That's one of those things that like when you have a girlfriend and then you decide to move in together. If they don't know about that, I mean, imagine the first night in your new apartment. And you wake up like, yeah, motherfucker. That's true. And she's like, oh, shit. Chase, holy, is this who you are? I wouldn't you sleep?

Only when I'm sleeping. My girlfriend's in the next room, so I think she might know. I don't know. She knows we tell her. You're in for it, Claire, because Chase is a crazy sleeper. Good luck. Oh, my gosh. Are we all, are we any of us in relationships?

Yes, I am. Yes. Yes. Do you guys ever have you had any moments where you're all single together? this is like a really fun time for siblings you know it's like if you're single it's like fun you get to go out and especially now taylor like if you're single and you're out doing although you don't really it feels like you're pretty straight i mean like do you like to go out do you like to she doesn't watch reality tv so i mean describe straight because you know i have an alter ego and her name is tequila

taylor so that's that okay good but i'm pretty well behaved. I'm very hard on myself. You know, I have times when I allow myself to dabble in that other part of my personality. But yeah, for the most part, I'm mainly work focused, but you can't have, you know, you can't do life only with work. So I like to have some fun. Everyone's so I let loose. Who's the, who's the wild one of all you guys? Like, who would you, you know, we've actually all been through our equal wild one phases. Logan was the first to be wild and then i would say it was me maybe or was it you i think i was the wild one after logan yeah it was him and then it and then i think it was me and then i think mckinley's in her wild

face i would say i'm the wildest one of all of you i like to have the most fun well now but there was the time when you weren't but now when since you moved to new york i was like 17 of course it was a good Wholesome. Who's the one that's like... Who's going to South Beach? Probably McKinley. McKinley. I would say McKinley.

McKinley's the wildest right now. It says South Beach, she went to Australia. Yeah. That's really smart. That's her version. That's super smart, especially single. She's like, oh, I'm going to move there. Ozzy guys are really fun.

They're super nice. They're really fun. Like, your odds of meeting someone cute and fun are real high. if you ever need advice about men call my sister let's like step back a little bit Taylor you really came on the scene you were doing all that stuff but I mean the Victoria's Secret was really like sort of became if you're a Victoria's Secret girl

like that really makes your career you know whether that be you or Gigi and Bella and Kendall and all the girls Did that feel like that for you? Kind of. I mean, it's weird because in the fashion industry, you can have like two different, really successful careers. So before Victoria's Secret, I was having a really successful high fashion career, which

is walking all the shows, doing like high fashion campaigns and editorials. So, but you're not doing it at a level of being well known as a personality or a person. It was more like I was a successful fashion model. So I walked Chanel, Mew, Versace, Fendi, all the big fashion shows. And then when I turned 18, I went on a tryout for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. And I had just turned 18. So I was going in there just being like, well, I'm 18 and my agent told me to do it. So I'm going to try this.

And they booked me on my first audition. and when you do Victoria's Secret, it's like it's more mass, so it's more commercial in a sense where I guess if you're maybe doing films or, you know, photography, you're more of independent films, more niche, artistic, whatever, and you're still successful, but when you do that one big role or that one big shoot that goes everywhere, it's the same for modeling and for Victoria's Secret. So I was well known in the fashion industry already, but I became more well known outside of that to having fans and, you know, Instagram followers and a social media presence when I did Victoria's Secret because, yeah, like you said, the girls that look at that are just mega fans and it really explodes your career into something else totally completely different than just fashion modeling. So that was one of a really huge, like, career shift, I think was Victoria's Secret.

Was it as exciting for the siblings as it is for like Taylor or you guys just sort of like, oh, whatever. Like, okay, now she's a Victoria's Secret model. It was really exciting for anything because we got to go to the shows, which was crazy to like see the shows in person and that was super fun. And like when you walk in the mall and all of a sudden you see your sister right there, you're like, Whoa, that's kind of crazy. Like any mall in the world, you would walk in.

And then our fans would, like, send us pictures of her photos in the windows. And it was cool to see. I think at that point, I was just like, oh, it's just another. Like, oh, okay, that makes sense. Who are modeling fans? You know, when you talk about fans and you become famous. I mean, you know, is it younger girls or is it just people who love fashion? or is it just is it a whole mix of random people it's it's a bit of everybody really i mean

on my instagram account i can see um analytics so i can see who the majority of my followers are and it's young girls between the ages of like 17 and 25 um and also from all over the world i mean my number one country is the United States but I mean they're all over the place and um yeah they're just young girls I think who are interested in fashion or who go to Victoria's Secret who buy the lingerie or the underwear or pink even um and then just like fashion fanatics really because people who are into fashion just know everything about fashion I mean I've had fans come up to me and be like, I loved the outfit that you wore in Versace, Spring, Summer 15, All-Player, Couture show. I'm like, how do you, I don't even remember that. What? Like, how do you know? And then

how do you know that it's me? Because I'm one of 60 models walking on the runway. I don't understand, but they just, they're huge fans. They just follow the designers even, too. And then when a model walks for their favorite designer, then they're like, oh, this is my favorite model that walked for this designer and this look is this and you're just people know more about it and I even know about it and I do it for a living so so chase so chase you know I can I can relate to this in a strange way but I'm going to ask you do you have to deal with dudes and your friends talking about your sister because it's something that I grew up with with Kate now Kate's younger than I am but you know Kate beautiful obviously became famous and even when she wasn't really but then

It's all about like, what's up with Kate and Kate this and, you know, about that whole talk that you sort of either have to put out of your head or engage in. Do you get that? Yeah, I think definitely when she like blew up from Victoria's Secret, I was just finishing high school. And yeah, all the guys like now wanted to be my friend. And I was like, I was like the quiet kid. I played soccer and I skateboarded. So I had like a little niche group of friends and all the jocks are like, hey, what's up, man? Like your sister's like really. famous now or something and um yeah i think i kind of just blocked that out a little bit and like it didn't really affect me so much but i think my close friends understood it and they never really

picked jokes at it or anything or never like said anything that was like offensive or anything like or anything like that but it was cool like growing up with like some famous model sister but i didn't really see her as like the famous model sister you know i was just my sister yeah i always saw kate as the famous actress I made sure of it Oliver Like Oliver Don't you know who I am

As the famous actress Chase You're so handsome I mean are you modeling I was pursuing snowboarding Like I was trying to go professional with that I was on a team for 16 years

and the opportunity came, like, when I was, I think, 16, one of the agents at Taylor and McKinley's agency, like, saw an Instagram post of me, like, from homecoming or something, and they sent it to the men's board at the agency, and the agents there were like, yeah, like, get Chase, we want him to, like, come model. So I kind of had to, like, pick, okay, do I stop snowboarding for a little bit and try to, like, go into this fashion industry? because I was around it for a long time, just like being in L.A. during the summers and just seeing like how it all worked and how much money she was making. And I was like, oh, I might give it a shot. So my senior year of high school, I went online and then moved to New York. And I did like fashion weeks. And I just started to do it more and get campaigns when I was 18. And I'm still doing it now, but I'm also in school. So it's kind of a juggle between both nowadays. yeah i know you're probably wondering you know did all your modeling career and that was the first thing i was gonna say yeah yeah yeah yeah no i felt that and then um the answer is i tried okay i i gave it a i gave it a shot i did i went to all these castings i didn't even know i just was trying to make money okay i weighed like 130 pounds i was skinny as shit i looked gawky and weird and I'd have to go to these castings

where they're taking Polaroids of me and like tiny little undies and I'm like next to these dudes who are just shredded and I'm like this is so fucked there's no way I'm getting a job unless it's for some like some like scrawny like sidekick

or something like that you know I got one job I did a Levi's ad on the beach and I got paid 12 grand and I was like it's a lot of money oh it was amazing especially then and I was like that's it I'm good you're like Levi's I'll still do it I

quit take 12 grand oh yeah I'll take five seriously so basically Levi's if you are listening like I am a veil yes Levi's shout out no but but I still have my book and so my kids like the other day were going through my modeling book or if you even call it that it's I wish I had it so I could show you guys it's so insane I can't even begin to explain to you some of these pictures that I took. I would I would go on these weird castings where it's like oh it's like 1148 suitzer and I'm like what is this and it's an apartment building and I would walk up there and there'd be some like Japanese man with a camera and then they're like he's like he's like put on this speed he goes put on this speedo this is this is actually real he goes put on this speedo in broken

English I'm like is there anyone else in this apartment or is it just you in a camera? I might have been at the same apartment as you i've done that before have you really no that's crazy yeah we've been there i go into the bathroom and i'm like do i run right now i mean am i getting into a bad situation i put the speedo on because i'm desperate and then i come out there and he starts taking pictures of me in this tiny little speedo and then he's like okay thanks and i leave and i'm like what the fuck was that there my there's probably pictures i think the question is is do you know now what that was Yes, and I don't really want to talk about, I don't want to talk about it. Oh, no.

Chase, are you okay? Chase, have you had that? And we're just like, what is, what is, what is this? Oh, yeah, there's like so many castings where you go up to random apartments and, like, and it's just like, okay, like, I'll take some photos and, like, there's like a pile of clothes that you need to try on, like put these socks on, put these shoes, put this, like, underwear and, like, tank top and go behind this white background. Dude. Yeah. Okay, no, I feel much better.

This has been a breakthrough for me psychologically hearing that you have had a similar experience because I thought I was literally like the only one. It's also therapeutic. This is therapy for you. It is. Hey, Chase, do you like it? Do you like what you're doing? Or is it sort of like, well, you know, everyone in my family's in fashion, between photography

and modeling, you're like, I'll do it. Yeah, I think I like it a lot. You do? I just, I started to go to college two years ago. go because I kind of want to switch it up a little bit and try to juggle both because I'm not going to sit in front of a camera for the rest of my life. I want to do something else. But I enjoy it. You get to travel a world, meet a lot of people. I have so many friends in New York that I've met. It's just like opened a lot of doors, I think. And Logan, when did you get into

photography? I would say around the same time Taylor started modeling, I would steal my parents' camera and, like, forced her to take photo shoots in the basement. And then I would shoot all my friends. And then I started doing, like, senior photos from my high school. And then when we would all visit Taylor in L.A., I was kind of interning for this photographer. And I was just like, wow, this is amazing. I love, like, the creativity of it.

And, like, I would think of something in my head, like a photo shoot idea and then do it. And I just love the whole process. And that's the reason I moved to L.A. was because when we started going there, I was like, this is great. this is like where it all happens what's your style well i learned on film i took a film photography class in high school and that's kind of how i kind of started loving it and then i guess my i'm kind of still figuring out my style i love shooting in natural light i don't do a lot of like studio stuff but um i'd say like light in area is kind of my style yeah um i was just thinking about kate

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sacara dot com slash sibling you know i actually want to ask taylor question and you can refrain from answering this if you want but what happens when you're a victoria secret girl and as a model it's like such a fun thing to do and an exciting moment. And then there's all the controversy around it. What do you feel in that moment? How do you kind of manage that? I mean, it's interesting. It's always been so such a dream, like a dream world, really, even for me. I, as a young model, knew that Victoria's Secret was the end all be all, what you wanted to do, where you wanted to be, all the best supermodels in the world did it, Giselle Bunchin, Adriana Lima,

Alessandra Ambrosio, I had all these women that I looked up to, and then I started doing it, and I became an angel when I was 18 years old. And it was, that was in itself a big deal. I got a lot of bounce back. Oh, she walked to the show once, and she has a contract.

She doesn't deserve it. And I also got a lot of support and positivity as well. like, wow, she's worked so hard and has done this at such a young age. But, you know, I grew up in it. I grew up as an 18-year-old to now I'm 24 and I saw the shift in just the industry and, you know, everything was changing. And I think it's strange because coming from being inside of it and being a part of it, I never felt controversy. I never felt, I never felt, I never felt, I never felt like I had to be anything else other than what I was. I've always had an active lifestyle. I was a gymnast growing up and I love exercising and working out and being healthy. And that's

like my actual personal lifestyle. And so therefore, I never felt any sort of pressure within Victoria's Secret to be anything other than myself. I mean, I was a kid and then I became a woman. and it was, you know, it was encouraged on the inside. Like, they were, they were like, you look amazing, and you're growing up, and you're becoming a woman, and I would go from doing the teeny bopper sweatpants shoots, and then now I'm 21, and I'm shooting lingerie because I'm like, oh, wow, she has curves now, like, great. She's, we're going to work with that.

So as I grew up in it, yeah, I'm becoming an adult, like, and, I think, I think, Taylor, what I mean is, is do you feel, you know, know part of the controversy is that Victoria's Secret and the executives at the top which are making comments that did that were a bit tone deaf yeah I think people are wise enough to understand that that's not what you guys you know you guys are hired for this job and it's great and it's a fun moment for you but personally when when you hear those things or you hear sort of the internal ins and outs like does that change the way you feel about working with a Victoria's Secret, or do you have a different relationship to what that is?

I mean, all that stuff is so corporate and was so above anything that I ever did, and I never saw that or heard that. And then when I was reading it, I'm like, shocked because, you know, it's completely different people on photo shoots and sets and stuff. And, you know, I never saw any of that and I was honestly just like, wow, I can't even believe that because my experience has been completely different. It is the opposite. And I mean, corporate is so different than creative. Like I was on the creative side and I worked with, you know, more of the producers and all that stuff versus like all the people in the offices. I was like, I have no idea. And it was strange because, yeah, I work with the brand and I'm a public figure for the brand. But my experience was so

different because while I work with them, I don't, I don't work there. I don't, I'm not an employee. I have my own, I am my own employee. You know, they hire me as my own, you know, corporation, I guess. So yeah. There's no more, there's no more, uh, show though, right? They've eliminated the show. Yeah. So I, no idea. People, people ask me all the time. I'm like, I swear, I have no idea what's happening. Who knows? Like, hopefully a show comes back. Um, I hope they bounce back and we can be more inclusive and diverse. That's something that I've always wanted. I think that's amazing.

It gets a little less pressure for me if I can, you know, grow up and my body type as a 24-year-old can be more accepted and, you know, I don't have to struggle so hard to look like a tiny 18-year-old. Well, I mean, I'm still blessed and I know I'm thin and everything, but I'm, you know, I'm not a stick anymore. I was 18 and I was a stick and now I'm a woman and I'm fit and I'm, you know, I'm changing. So what's the pressure? Was there pressure?

I mean, I mean, this is probably a stupid question, but I mean, I'm sure there is. But just the pressure to sort of keep, look a certain way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I, for me, I've felt the pressure probably most in like the last year or so. My body's changed a lot since I would, I, since I turned like 23. I like lose and gain like 10 to 15 pounds but I think that's totally normal so I actually felt it the most probably in the fashion industry like in high fashion and runways to be a certain way and and to look a certain way when I don't anymore and it kind of discourages me to want to continue to keep doing high fashion stuff because I I don't want to what's the word I guess like um Well, put that pressure on yourself. Yeah, put that pressure on myself. I don't want to cause

like mental trauma or, you know, I have a really healthy outlook on life and I have a very healthy relationship with food. And it's something that I'm very proud of that I've maintained throughout my career. And I would hate to, to lose that. So I think having my own like morals is something that I've felt the pressure because I've been so strict about being like, I'm not going to do that or I'm not going to lose that weight because I know it's going to really fuck with my head if I do. So that's kind of the whole community is changing now, you know, and I think it's great. And I think that what's interesting, Taylor, you have a really amazing fan base and it's, yeah, and it's useful. You can reach out to people and talk about things that actually matter to you.

And I guess my question would be like, what is that? for you. What is your life beyond modeling and beyond, you know, the fashion aspect of it? I always just, the most pressure I ever want to put on myself is to make sure that I'm being an authentic, real role model to these young girls because, you know, I was 14, 15 at one point and looked up to models in the industry. And then later to find out that, a few of them looked this way because they had an eating disorder and or were unhealthy in their lifestyles is heartbreaking because it's like, oh, they look like that because of something bad. And I would never want a bad habit of mine to be put on some young girl that looks up to me.

So that's where my frustration comes from being in an industry like this and growing up in it is seeing how my body's changed from being a teenager to a young woman and how it hasn't been fully accepted in a lot of areas in the industry. It can be quite frustrating because if I do lose the weight, if I do go down from a size four or a size six back down to a size two, what image is that showing young girls? Am I doing it in a healthy way? Am I doing it in a positive way? am I doing it for a positive reason, is my mental state being affected by doing this to myself? Those are all things that I think about and a pressure that I put on myself in choosing moves in my career that I want to take because I haven't walked fashion shows and I haven't done

fashion week for probably a year or two seasons now because I knew mentally it's going to be way too hard for me to get there to do it and that's not a message I want to send to those young girls. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter about your job. It doesn't matter what my technical job is. If they're not going to accept me for being Taylor, then I can't do it because what's the point? Like, why? I'm not going to be happy. Why would I show millions of young girls that I'm doing something that doesn't make me happy? What's that going to make them do? so that's something that I always try to express to my agents to managers to the industry that hey this is who I am and you're booking me from me because of everything that I bring I'm positive

I'm great to work with I'm happy I have a great connection to my fan base and I love all of those young girls even young boys and I just want them to feel happy and positive and connected to their families or their framilies whoever whatever your family is to you like you should be grounded by that and i'm so happy and thankful every single day that i have my brother and my sisters because fuck i couldn't i couldn't fucking do this if i didn't have them because they check me man they'll check me taylor you're you're an idiot like shut up you're crazy you know you're and you're goofy just be yourself i'm like oh shit you're right like they know me more than anybody else did they all check you or is there one that checks you the

most all of them they check they all check me equally as punch me in the face with their words sometimes Jesus and a couple times actually punching me in the face like wow but I need it and I love it and I I just want everyone to like be able to have that sort of humbling like feeling in life where it's just like I love fashion I love my industry I love my job so much but on top of that i'm a person i'm a human being i have a family i have real life things and and there are more important things i'm not a doctor i'm you know i'm not doing you know extra special amazing beautiful work that these awesome frontliners are doing you know so to have people to check me and be like yeah you're you have a cool job but you know

did you did you have anyone take you under your wing like did you have someone when you were coming up you know someone big to sort of say here i'm let's show you the robes yeah one of my really good friends behati prinsloo she's one of the coolest people don't get it twisted you guys bahadhi's first child was tequila taylor i tell her all the time i'm like you have three children and one of them is tequila taylor and she's like oh my god you're right so but bahadhi bahadhi took you under her wing she's the coolest say so she's probably the one one of the girls that was the most real with me from the beginning and was like, hey, you're cool and you're, I could tell you're sensitive and special. Like, just keep that

and keep going. Keep doing. Fuck everyone else. Do what you do. Be yourself. Because that's all she ever did. I think she's one of the coolest people. She's just so unapologetically herself. McKinley, I want to talk to you for a second because you've been the most quiet. You do model and You've done, you've really done some amazing campaigns and you, you work a lot. Is it challenging for you being, being Taylor's younger sister? I mean, you're in the same industry and your sister made such a big splash at such a young age. What's your relationship to that? I think it helps me in a lot of ways and I know that and I'm never like one to be like,

oh, I got here on my own because I'm like, I didn't. But also I think it hurts me in a lot of ways. Because I've had experiences like when I turned 18, I tried out for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. And I made the mistake of posting it on my social media. And I got absolutely wrecked on the internet. They're like, that's nepotism. Like, you don't deserve that. I'm like, well, first off, that's not nepotism because we didn't come from like famous parents.

Like Taylor made it on our own. And like I have every right to try out for a show. like if that was nepotism, I would have gotten the show without trying out. So, like, that's where it like hurts me a little bit is like, well, what you're saying you feel the pressure of, yeah, like, you just don't even like, you only get the stuff you get because of Taylor. And like that is true in certain aspects, like Ralph Lauren, and we all got that because of Taylor and that's a gift.

And a lot of clients will use me because, like, I am her sister and it will give them a little bit more of a push. And I think that's great. Like, I don't hate that at all. Like, I totally accept that. I say that to my friends, like, all the time. I'm like, I don't think I'll still be modeling if it wasn't for Taylor. But, no.

I think you also have a very different look from Taylor. So I think a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I look like her a lot. But, like, I think I'm a little bit more, like, edgy looking because I just have, like, sharper features. So, like, I don't know. I think it's, it can be good.

It can be bad. I mean. I think you make a great point. It's about what you. do with the opportunity you know i mean we we grew up like that i mean our parents were famous and you know of course there is nepotism but the end of the day once that foot goes in the door you got to pull your entire body through right you're the one who has to bring it all in right yeah without a doubt and trust me like you know half the time people say i know you you're kate hudson's

brother i'm like yeah i am do you know my real name they're like no it's okay they don't need to know you're really no yeah i've gotten called together like several it's fine ollie i think that also it's about how you feel not how it's seen and the reality is like people are going to say whatever they're going to say each and every one of you i mean and we're talking about modeling we're talking about aesthetically pleasing features i mean you're just all incredibly beautiful and so you know that's really what we're talking about here and look and model and edgy like what you will bring to a picture would be different than what your brother would bring and what taylor would bring and everybody's going to have and then you know logan you know

sitting there you know is like the only one not modeling that's a whole other conversation have you shot have you shot them i mean have you shot any campaigns for the for the kids yeah so taylor and i work together we shoot some victoria secret stuff together and then i've always forced mckinley to do stuff with me um and i think i've i've i've shot her McKinley and I think I've shot all of you together at one point yeah yeah you've shot the three of us yeah are you is McKinley like oh I don't want to do it and then you're like and Logan's like you know yeah I've had to actually pay McKinley to close talk to my agent first okay I've had to then mo her like 50 bucks really because sometimes I just don't want to do it when we're

stuck in the mountains she's the only one kind of willing to do it we're there and I'm like I have this cool idea. Like, can you please just do this for me? I just need you for like 10 minutes. And then she'd be like, all right, it's going to cost you. I'm going to use. That's amazing. What has been your sort of moment of like, wow, this is really cool as a model, McKinley?

I think the coolest thing for me is just the ability to be able to travel to all these amazing places I never thought I would go in a million years. And especially like as sad as it can be sometimes to be traveling alone. I think it has taught me so much about myself because I now know that I know I don't go to grocery stores in foreign countries. I don't know why, but I refuse to go to grocery stores. Like I'd rather Uber Eats and like harvesting like a squirrel like chips from here and there and do that.

Weird things I've learned about myself. So yeah, I think the traveling aspect and just being by yourself a lot. Yeah. I don't know. It's a really funny thing to learn about yourself. You don't go to the grocery store? Just go to the grocery store. No, there's something about, like, when I was in Milan, it just really turned me off.

I was like, it sounds really scary. I am hung over. That's brutal. I know. I know. I know. I got to stop. We stopped drinking during the week.

We were like, we're not drinking during the week, weekends only. So we do like Friday happy hour. McKinley, on the other hand, has three white claws a night, sometimes more. Five white claws in. Oh, my God. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with three. Three. Oh, my God.

That's five. You're correct. You're correct. Oh, yeah. No, I tried that. I was like, you know, because the first few weeks, it was just drinking, drinking. And then I was like, all right, I'm going to, I got to take a week off. Like, I'm only going to drink on the weekends.

and it was Sunday. And then Tuesday rolls around and I'm like, meh-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-oh, it was another day today. Maybe wine. Yeah, I'm like, maybe I'll just have a glass of wine, which then turns into a bottle of wine, you know. Oh, that was Chase and I.

Every night we were like, oh, we have to stop. And then one day he just says, so I was thinking about not drinking for it during the week. And I was like, I'm in. Please, let's not. And it's so great, because at least we can hold each other accountable. We're just like... And you guys have stuck to it?

Yeah, we've been doing it for about two weeks. Oh, good. I did a first for me. McKinley was... Right. No, look, McKinley's got to have her white claws. That's just... Are you guys getting sick of each other?

Oh, yeah. I feel fine. I mean, at all. No? I like you guys. We have moments. There's like a day. You know, you have a bad day.

What about, what about, like, mom and dad? Are you like, oh, God. I love you, mom. Love you, dad, but, like, I need, I need some space. It's time for normalize, but yeah, we're ready for normalcy. I just got some personal space. Yeah. No, I mean, look, you love each other.

There's no doubt about it, but personal space, that's real. Personal space is overrated. Yeah. In quarantine. Oh, God. Who's the most antsy? Who wants to gather the most, do you think? Logan.

Yeah, Logan. She's like, Logan said, I'm not going to see you guys for three months after this. She's like, don't call me. I don't want to see you for a long time. Okay. Fine. Is that he meant to you? Is it? It is against us, though, isn't it? You're against us. She's the oldest, you know what I mean? Oh, because you're so much older. Oldly. God. All 13 months of you.

Oh, don't act. Are you pretend like you're older than me? She's the queen. Do you guys go to each other for advice for projects? I go to Chase because I'm also in school. So he's done this class before me that I'm taking right now and I ask for his homework. But also you ask me like, oh, I'm going on this casting. Do you know this casting director or have you worked with a photographer or stuff like that?

I asked me all this time about modeling stuff. All right. So let's do our speed wrap. Okay, ready, guys? Ready, okay. One word to describe Taylor. Outgoing, crazy. Weird. Quarky.

Yeah. Tequila. Twerk. That's more than one word. These are, what's more one word? What about one word to describe Logan? Bossy. Yeah, the boss.

Boss. Oh. De boss. I'll agree on that. One word to describe. MacKinley dark she's so morbid

outgoing that's nice chase thank you morbidly outgoing let's say timbrex morbidly outgoing that's good you don't you don't want to be at McKinley's

dinner party it's she talks about a lot of things that make me uncomfortable I want to know what mainly murder and serial killers I just bring up really

negative facts sometimes and Taylor's friend Jill the moment I met her she was like you should really host a dinner party and now it's just like a joke that people say we just talk about really gross things sometimes or murder I don't know I'm with you

serial killers are fascinating to me you know did they do did they do Chase yet the one word for Chase yeah he's very clean organized yeah organized composed composed it's very put together okay which sibling is the most outgoing the most outgoing mckinley yeah i'd say mckinley which sibling is the most adventurous um say me again i'd say me girls no you don't go on adventures i don't think that

McKinley doesn't leave her room. You don't go outside. That's true. I would say it was me because I go the most places. Yes, that's true. That doesn't make me dangerous. That's your work. What about, what about, we ask this sometimes, and it's actually perfect because you're from Colorado.

If you are in the mountains, okay, and you are lost in the mountains, who do you look to to sort of lead the way and get everyone to safety? Logan. Chase is like, what? I'm the mountain man. I know how to get everyone. in Colorado. I'm the one that is always outside when we're in the mountains. Everyone else is stuck inside reading their books. I'm going on hikes. I'm snowboarding every day. I'm the

mountain man. Yeah, but Logan can execute a plan. And she can get all of us to do what we need to do. She would be like, okay, this is what we're going to do. And we'd be like, okay. Right. She'd be like, Chase, you need to trek across the mountain. You know exactly where to go. You're going to do this. Or you can listen to me because I watch it a lot of making and afraid. I love that show. Me too. I'm obsessed. It's so great.

Wait, who would, yeah, who would win at Naked and Afraid of this family? That's a good question. I would say if there were no bugs, I would win. Probably because you watched the most of it. Yeah, but if there were no bugs, then I would win. I hate spiders. I can't deal with that. I would probably tap out in the first five minutes.

I don't think any of us would, like, win. Yeah, I think we'd all tap. We'd all tap. We're all tap. I don't do that. I can't do that. Who's the most competitive sibling? Logan is very

Yeah, I think Logan is. Logan has to one up everyone, even in an argument. We're not really competitive so much as we just argue, and Logan has to win at the argument. She has to make her point. Yeah. I like it. Logan, I love looking at Logan.

Even though she's only a little bit older, she just feels older. She's got this sort of quiet strength of like, yeah, fuck all y'all. Oh, my siblings. Which sibling tells a better joke? Yeah, McKinley's got some funny jokes. Who calls each other more? I call y'all. You never call me. I don't call Chase because I live with him.

Yeah. I call Logan a lot. I think me and Logan probably talk the most. Yeah. I'll just check in because you've never called me. Like, hi, McKinley, how are you? Because she's mama there. Logan. I love cooking.

Who takes the longest to get ready? McKinley I like the routine My morning routine is very special to me I like to sit and do nothing for two hours That's part of it right What about your first Celebrity crush

Mine was Chad Michael Murray CM Squared Okay what about you guys Oh you know what? Mine was Nate Archibald from Gossip Girl I don't think it was true. Probably someone from to Grassie. I don't know who it was, but oh, my God, he was so cute. I don't know his name, but I loved him.

I used to watch it in the basement because I thought it was like a bad Joe, and my mom would yell at me. What about you, Chase? I'd probably say Megan Fox because of Transformers. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Me too. Me too, to be honest.

Yeah. Oh, Megan Fox. Everyone. Chase, the correct answer would have been Kate Hudson. What's wrong with you? Come on. I know, dude. my favorite movie. What's your favorite movie? Almost famous. Awesome. Um, which

sibling naps the most? McKinley. Yeah, Mac. Yeah, McKinley. Yeah, I've taken a more of a liking to napping these days. I wish I could nap. Napping sounds great. They used to make me feel really bad when I woke up. Like, I felt extremely guilty when I woke up from a nap. And now I'm just like, that's better. That's better. Refresh. Oh, God. Okay, which siblings is the most responsible? Logan. Who's better at Scrabble? Board games. I do play Scrabble a lot, actually.

I never played Scrabble, actually. I don't even know how that works. Really? No. Who's better at karaoke? All of us, I think. None of us are good at karaoke. No one's good at it, but we enjoy it.

When the crime comes on, me and Taylor find yourselves. Yes. You become, no one's a good singer. Oh, no, of course not. but we we commit i mean mckinley and i just shred on mylie cyrus it's the climb because you know it's just so good and we're just so good at being so bad at singing it and that just makes it so much better it's the commitment really i love that song um who would make your sibling the most tongue tied you know is there anyone you guys would meet or you're like holy shit you know

Well, McKinley and I were together when we met Jennifer Aniston and I had a meltdown and McKinley had to go up to her to introduce us. Oh, I had to. There was no way I was going to let her walk away without me saying hello. I couldn't form words. I couldn't. I don't know what happened to me because I've met so many people, but something about her, I couldn't function.

She was so nice. and I met her actually again at the Oscar night and she remembered me and she asked about McKinley and I was like, you're amazing. I can't believe you remember meeting us. Wasn't that when we were all in the outside of the photo booth area? Yeah, that was exactly it. And she like came out and I was like, hey, I just wanted to say hi.

And she was like, you're a Taylor, right? I was like, what? Get out of here. You don't remember me. And she was like, you were with your sister. night okay who gives the best advice Logan gives good advice what about pet peeves

you guys have any pet peeves loud chewing can't do many questions yeah that actually used to be my answer for a lot of slow walkers that's the worst um she hates chewing is ice

I doesn't bother me ice crunching I'm an ice cruncher I've always been I will never stop I hate, I can't. Sometimes I'll get a cup of ice just to crunch it. Oh, yeah, just crunch away. Oh, who are the morning people and who are the night people? Morning person.

McKinley's the night owl. Yeah, I'm in a morning person and McKinley and Taylor are probably the night people. Logan, you're kind of like a in between. It could be whatever you want to be. I like, I'm more a morning person, I guess. Yeah, I'm in bed by 10. Really? Yeah.

Can imagine? Oh, man, I'm a night owl, big time. I love my sleep. I'm in bed. I do the most at 2 a.m. Really? I do everything at 2 o'clock in the morning. I organize my closet, clean my bathroom.

I do everything. Do my laundry, fold laundry. I love 2 a.m. It's a good time for me. I do everything I can to avoid things in the morning. I schedule all of my appointments after 11 a.m. I don't like to be awake and functioning before noon, thank you, except for when I have to work, which that's probably why, because I work such intense hours that when I'm not working, I'm like, I just, no, please, I want to avoid any type of normal nine to five schedule. Thank you. Good night. So if you could have like a fictional character that's like your ideal boyfriend or girlfriend, what would that fictional character be?

Oh, my God. You mean like, like, Ross on Friends or something? Yeah, like, exactly. Well, I was going with Batman. The Ross on Friends. Wasn't really my first choice. The guy in the notebook, what's his name? Oh, Ryan Gosling.

Ryan Gosling? Yeah, Ryan Gosling. Yeah. That's who would I. Ryan Gosling in the notebook? In the notebook. In the notebook. Noah from the notebook, yeah.

Okay. Noah from the notebook. That's a good one. Dirty dancing, Patrick Swayzee. That's a good one. What a haughty. Okay, Chase? I don't know.

Oh, I know who you would do parts of care of being, Karen Knightley. That's a young man's dream. Taylor, what was yours again? I mean, I second McKinley's point there on Patrick Swayze in Dirty Dancing. It was just so good. But I don't know. I can't, I don't know. Brad Pitt, anything that Brad Pitt ever did.

Yeah. I never runs through it. You know, I'm going to choose. I'm going to choose. Brad Pitt, too. My favorite Brad Pitt is Brad Pitt Fight Club. Yes. Because there's just something so, like, cool about the shirts, the Hawaiian shirts, and he's just so, I don't know, he's smart. Not Brad Pitt in true romance, like high on the guy. God, I love that Brad Pitt. I love all the pits, all the Brad Pitt. All of them, every single one. What about a talent that you guys wish you had that you don't? It'd be nice

be able to sing. I wish I had so many. I don't really have a lot of like show I like I wish I could dance

I wish I could sing I wish I had a musical like instrument talent yeah I would say playing an instrument would be pretty cool I was good at painting

you could do that drawing that's a you can do all these things stuff I'm good at them you know what I wish I could do math

I can't do math and it would be fun we go it would be fun to be able to just like be good at math and be like you know what i know this i don't um okay now let's our last question what would you take now just go

for the sibling next to you and then we'll figure it out later but if you could take something from them for your own to have a trait a quality that you wish that you had what would that be and on the flip side of it is then if you could take something away from your sibling some sort of a stressor or or some sort of um well something you'd want to alleviate from yeah exactly sibling that would kind of help them in their life you know or yeah kind of help to grow or make their life easier thank you kid you're welcome Jesus only asked this question 700 times I would take McKinley's outgoingness that's for sure and then I would take away her insecurities about her face and her hair just more yeah i have body dysmorphia

you have hair dysmorphia what about you mckinley um with logan think with logan i would take her your i feel like right where it's like independence of like yeah her her adultness if you get that. No, I do. I got that. Yeah, you got that. Because, like, she adults very well, and I'm still learning, even though I'm not that much younger than me, like, she's not that much older than me, but she's way off, like, she's popping off. Wait, yeah, doing a good job. I take away from you is probably your stress, because I feel like you're stressed a lot, but even if I took that away from you, I probably couldn't handle it myself. but I would still want you not to have it.

You wouldn't want it to take it. And maybe your anxiety so you feel like you have that too about your future because she's a Capricorn so she's a hustler. What comes with a hustler is whirring and stuff. So, yeah.

All right, good. Yes. Taylor Chase? Taylor Chase, Chase. Chase. I would take for, I would take your people skills like she's she can talk to anyone in any situation and I would definitely take that because

I'm not good at it and I definitely need that sometimes I crush it at small talk yeah I'm so good at it I don't know why but I can make anyone feel comfortable huh let him talk I don't know that's no that's what I was saying yeah you can you're able to have a such a fast and an easy conversation with anyone you encounter. And then I'd take away the public eyes sometimes. I'd allow you to be able to walk in New York and not get stared at or get stopped. Or like just like to have a nice weekend where no always going to bother you. Oh, I love Chase.

That's my boy. Hey, if you need an older brother, I can teach you a couple things. Yeah, I need one. Okay. Let's see. Well, I would take a trait from you that, let's see, what would it be? Probably your organization skills, you're really good at being organized all the time. And I go through phases where I can procrastinate and things get really messy and then I can't take it anymore and then I organize it.

But you're always organized and you're always so you have like everything planned out. and you know when you're doing school and you always have your homework done. I wish I was like that. And then something I would, a burden I would take from you or a stress would probably be pressure, I think. You put a lot of pressure on yourself.

I feel like you will always strive to be really good or feel like you're doing the most and overachieving, which is great, but also I feel like it puts a lot of, you know, put a lot of pressure on yourself. and I would want to alleviate some of your personal pressure that you put on yourself. I feel that. Love it.

Oh. Love it. This was fun and I loved having multiple siblings. Yeah, it's awesome. It's so great. Awesome. I wish you guys the best rest of this time and with your family. You guys are amazing.

You guys are a great family. Thank you so much. Thanks for having it. Go Broncos. Go Broncos. That's right. It's so fun. Yeah, thank you guys.

Oh, we had so much fun. Thank you so much for talking to us. Sibling Revely is executive produced by Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim Sarn. Supervising producer is Alison Bresnick. Editor is Josh Windish. Music by Mark Hudson, aka Uncle Mark. Hey, it's your favorite dream. Jersey girl, Gia Judice.

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