Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - The Property Brothers

Episode Date: January 8, 2020

Drew and Jonathan Scott aka the Property Brothers join Kate and Oliver on this week’s episode of “Sibling Revelry.” They talk all things twins, discuss their many jobs and hobbies -- which include magic, clowns, sports, the bagpipes, and more -- and share how “Property Brothers” came to be. They also tell us about their latest projects which include a new magazine called “Reveal” and a new podcast from Drew and his wife Linda.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling revelry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry.

That's good. This was one of my favorite episodes that we've done because there was no real connection to them in terms of knowing them. a lot of the people we've had on our episode we've gotten to know beforehand but this particular one we don't really know these guys we're talking about the Property Brothers just to let everyone know

you just started talking and no one knows who the hell we're talking about so except that they downloaded it so they know that we're the Property Brothers episode so there's that but let me just say I've been such a fan of the Property Brothers

I'm a huge agency HGTV, that's, that is on my television all the time. I watch everything. Love it or listed. Property Brothers, Brother versus brother. Chip and Joanna, I miss them on, on HGTV. But, you know, I'm one of those. So this was fun for me.

Yeah, this is, I've never seen an episode of any of this stuff. I know who they are because they're sort of these like tall, handsome men who are in the property business. but I've never seen a show. They, though, were so quick-witted and so funny and had such amazing energy. That was so fun. It was really, really fun. And then Jonathan had to split afterwards,

but Drew and I got to actually take Drew, I'm redoing my house, and I got to walk around the house with Drew, and he gave me some really good advice. Well, I pitched myself. That was kind of a bit of a dream come true. I pitched myself for the, show you know we both pitched i know but i feel like i won it well of course you won because

you're kate i mean why would they choose me i you know i mean as far as like ratings go but uh you know i look they might come around their stories really interesting i mean they were sort of relentless in their pursuit entrepreneurs yeah i mean it was it was it's it's impressive very very impressive literally they must have done everything i feel like they they have i mean from magician to athlete to acting to i mean they're just to yeah hangers yeah hangers we'll get to that yeah we'll get to the hangers anyway it was an absolute pleasure yep and they have a podcast yeah drew and his wife have a podcast which is exciting yeah won't be bigger than ours so You're going to be competitive with them.

Oh, my God. You just can't help yourself. I can't wait to do theirs because we get to talk about home. It's my favorite thing in the world. And then they have a new lifestyle magazine, which I think is going to be huge. They've got such a big... Were you in it? Yeah, I did it.

I did it. Well, you know, Zoe DeCinell is dating Jonathan. And Zoe called me up and was like, hey... Would you want to do the magazine? I'm such a fan. I was like, of course. I was like, do they want to come to the podcast? And they were like, sure, you do the magazine?

We'll come do the podcast. Oh, that's how it all went down. Yeah, we did a little swapsies. I didn't know that. Where was I? During all this. Kind of insignificant. But we ended up having a great time with them.

And the Lifestyle magazine is called Reveal. And it's nice for them because they, get to really explore other things that they wouldn't normally get to do on their show and I think they're having a really fun time doing it. Those boys can't not be successful in the things that they do. You can tell just by their personalities. They're going to will it to be successful with whatever it is they do it feels like. And they work their asses off. Yeah, they really do. They're good. They're great kids. They're great kids. What do you mean? They're older than me. Yeah, but for me, they're great kids.

Yeah, but they're like your age. Yeah, but they're two years younger. So they're great kids. Anyway, these are great, two great kids. You're going to enjoy their story. Okay, ready? Here is Jonathan and Drew Scott, aka Zepropati brothers.

P.B. and J. Wait, they do have a J. Their brother is J.D. P.B. and J. They must know that. Anyway, here they are. Enjoy. You and I have a lot more in common than you think. We both have annoying brothers.

Listen, whoa. I hope you're talking about J.D. This is very, this is. Well, that's the thing. That's right. Jadis your older brother. No one's going to know who the hell is talking right now, by the way. Yeah.

I can do like the queen voice. I can talk like a British woman. We might have to do that. That will help know who I am in Jonathan. How are we even going to nap? navigate this. Our mom doesn't even know our voices. The only way our mom can tell us a part on the phone is she says Jonathan uses bigger words.

That's Drew speaking. Yes. Jonathan uses bigger words. That's what mom said. Drew died a little inside when mom said that. Me sad. Me sad. Who's the oldest?

Who came out first? I am. Drew's four minutes younger. Yeah. Look at those wrinkles. Well, wait a minute. Does it even matter? So Jonathan came out first, but get this, mom didn't even know there was a little Drew inside.

You've done your research. That's what I do. So when Jonathan, the doctor said that it's one big baby. Our heartbeats were in sync at that time, unless there was an issue. They never did ultrasound. And so the doctor was like, yeah, yeah, one big baby, all good. We were born in the 30s. Yeah, exactly.

Back when I was born in the 30s, we just used a good skin routine. But anyway, he came out and the doctor's, so baby skulls are kind of soft. So Jonathan's head was kind of squished a bit, and he comes out and everyone's like, ugh. And anyway, then they're like happy the doctor's leaving and the nurse says, I think there's another one, and I was brought into this world with the words, oh, shit, from my mom. Oh, my, really? Stop.

And then my squished little head. And then now I literally have a giant cranium. I can't wear hats. It's impossible. What's your hat size? Head, though? 17 and 3 quarters. This is a little bigger and freakyer.

You're 7.3 quarter head size? You are the first person. Yeah, because that would be a 7 and 3 quarters, right? I mean, that's enormous. Yeah. I like to think it's because of all the brain that I'm holding. on to you? No, no. It was squished when he came out and then all of a sudden just popped and it got really big. What's your head size? I think I'm like five

and a half. No, so you have the little peat head. You know, they were going to hire me on Beetlejuice. It was the perfect for casting on Beetlejuice. No, I'm a little smaller. So the funny thing is John has got the big head. My mom has a big head and then I'm just a little smaller than them. Well, then who did better on the SATs? Well, we're from Canada. Yeah, it's a different system. Who did better on the S-A-T-E? Yes.

No dude to booted. I did better than Jonathan. But the interesting thing, too, so everyone assumes twins are identical twins or identical, but very different. Drew also has a micro penis. Oh, whoa. Listen. There is nothing wrong with a micro penis.

And for the record, we were Siamese. We were attached to the penis and Jonathan just needed to take the larger share. So it's not my fault. My mom made the decision. This is so typical of my life because I grew up with all brothers and within five minutes It's always penis talk

I'll tell you a non-penus show This is actually real So everyone in my family is a J Jim, Joanne James Jonathan And so they're all Jays And then when I was born They named me Andrew

And so my initials are ass And I'm like Is there a little Is my mom trying to like make fun of me Then I realized Jonathan's name Is John Ian Scott? and his name is Jiz. So I just realized...

I thought we were moving away from these jokes. Nobody knew. Jizz, ass. I'm like, I think we were both the joke to our parents. That's amazing. This just in, property brothers canceled. HGTV has taken them off the air. You guys, from the research that I've done,

so the dynamic here is usually, I usually do a lot of the research all over freestyle. I read, but it's more interesting for me to learn as we go. So you're the Ben Affleck to this Matt Damon story here. I'll be Ben Affleck, I guess. Yeah, that's kind of like us too, though. I like to prep. I'll prep a little bit, and Jonathan likes to wing it,

and I read up on people, and he can only read pop-up books, so it's a perfect comment. Totally fine. So you guys, from the very beginning, I mean, notoriously, and everything you talk about interviews, your book, very competitive. Oh, yeah. I think and naturally when you share a wound with somebody you are like you're born into this lifelong

competitive state hyper competitive state but the thing with us too is it's not we don't compete to knock each other down our whole lives we've actually kind of competed pushing each other to do better and I think that's that's one thing we love but we love working together we always have though some of it is annoying even growing up drew he had to like if we're just going to the car he had to be the first one to get to the car and so it's always like everything Drew Drew actually takes it to the next level because he takes

lessons for everything so he can beat you at everything. So he takes lessons for golf you know, guitar, ping pong. Ping pong. What? You take ping pong lessons? I don't think I'm weird guys. You guys are ganging up from me right now. No, listen. Why reinforce

bad habits when you can learn to do it right? Growing up Jonathan and our best friend Pedro, they would beat me at ping pong all the time. So my goal is an adult because I have nothing else in the go. But all that energy was just to be good enough to beat them. And now I can be Jonathan pretty easy. Mom's whole thing is any time the tension starts to go, mom would always be like,

cookies, and she would bake cookies and bring them in and interrupt everyone with fresh-based kids. But she loves to be a part of everything we do. Like game nights, she wants to be right in there. So my mom's, our mom, not my mom. She's 75, our dad's 85. But they like to play the games,

and my mom is not the best. And have you ever played code names? No. Okay, well, we're going to play this one day. Yeah. It should be called couples. You know Sudoku? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Sudoku is like you fill in the numbers in a certain way and whatever. I love that's my game, but I never pronounce it, right? Yeah, everyone called us Sudaku and all these other things. My mom thought that she comes to play it, and I'm very competitive with that, and I'm very good, I'm a math brain. And so she comes in, and it took me about, you know, five to ten minutes to finish it. And she finished it in three minutes. I'm like, oh my God, mom's like a genius. But she thought the game was just filling in random numbers everywhere, and then she thought she was really good at it. She's never good at the games,

but she thinks she is. That's amazing. Bless her heart. But hold on, let's go back for a second now, because we're, first of where were you guys born? Born in Vancouver, raised just outside of Vancouver right on the edge of the forestry. We grew up on a horse farm.

Canadian. Right. Ranch. You guys are so, that is the most beautiful. I know it rains a lot, but it's just gorgeous. It is.

You have the mountains and you have lakes and you have the ocean right there. It's absolutely stunning. And then we also lived in Alberta and so you have Banff and Lake Louise. I worked at Lake Louise and Banff. And I learned an interesting fact about Banff. that it has the most cases of STDs.

I knew you were going to say that. STD per capita, yeah, in Canada. Well, it's because you think about it in the world. Everyone comes together to go there, including Oliver. And a lot of things happen. Yeah. That's actually their tourism campaign. It is.

Yeah. Come get an STD. I'm going to get a phone call now from the mayor of band. Yeah, very close friends. You guys are definitely getting booted from HGDBF. And then you had an older, you have an older visit. I know. Totally.

I okay so But then you had an older You have an older brother Actually can I tell you one thing about that though The whole A lot of sex happening in BAMP thing So I graduated early from high school Went to high school where you work at your own pace

And I was good at that Graduate early worked in BAMF I got an STD Well we'll get there Okay Wait for the building Why I just won So I heard when I was younger

That girls love musicians And so I'm like I'm gonna lock this in So I learned the bagpipes I didn't realize that's not the instrument anybody was interested in. You're a smart man, aren't you? When I was living in Banff, I would go up into the hill

and I would play the bag, I practiced the bagpice. There's like this one part. I kid you not. Women would just, horny moose would come elk. The elk would come over the hills. Are you serious? And they would listen to the bagpipes and I think the elk thought it was some form of mating though.

No, it was because the bagpipe actually does sound like a cow mating hole. Or you were just really bad. I had to play in the bed. Oh, yeah, he was pretty bad. That's, but, but wait, did you actually hike to, with the bagpipe? No. Were you up in the mountains?

That is insanely adorable. Hotels on the edge of the mountain are cool. And also completely insane. We're Scottish. I mean, what else, what other instrument would play? I know, but you thought, if that was really what you thought women in terms of appreciating musicians. No, but also he misunderstood that because.

So then you committed to the bag. Jonathan is a nerdy magician as well. So when he realized he got a, wrong with musician. Then he thought that the saying was, women love a magician. And then he also was very lonely for many years. I will admit, I got a lot more attention from the ladies from the magic than I

did from the... Of course. How were you at magic? I won awards. You were sick. I was reading up. Oh, really? That is the research that I did. Yeah. He was a nationally recognized magician. All these things of like, you know, New York Times best-selling author. It's on your Wikipedia page. Fricen magic man. It's 16, he was

ranked third best in North America on the competitive magic circus circuit and yeah that's like this underground nerdy club but anyway he was pretty good and the funny thing is he has a twin and he never used me in his tricks i think you need to have a resurgence you had to come back out and and do a big like david copperfield routine you went to the same high school yes for the most part there was one year we didn't so so we grew up just outside of vancouver in a small town maple ridge and then at the same time while we were out there And then at the time, it was just a small house that we were, when we were born, that we lived in. And then our parents got this hobby farm in Maple Ridge, so we had some acreage.

And then at the same time, every summer, we would go out to Alberta. It's a small, like, um, yeah, so you're not, you're not doing cattle. Um, it's just small five acres. It's to do, like, it's to do hobbies on. You look like you know what you're doing with horses, but you're not really having to do a lot of the work. God. So it's, it's a farm for lazy people. It's like, for hobbies.

Like, oh, it's just a hobby. These horses are just hobbies. Yeah. But so that's where it started. Why did that take you? No, the audience is a particular interest. Well, I don't think the audience will understand. I mean, by the way, the audience understood, like, right when he said it.

They didn't. It's because he doesn't have any hobbies. His hobby is going to Banff and coming home with something. All kinds of things. But every year, though, our parents' dream was to have a ranch in Alberta. They met in Alberta up in Banff 50 plus years ago, and they lived their life. They moved to the West Coast, had kids, and they always wanted to go back and have a place. So we ended up, they got a quarter section out there, 100.

160 acres, and they end up building the family ranch out there. So when that happened, my dad went out to build the ranch, the house. Jonathan went with him, and so for one year of high school, we were split. I was on the West Coast with my older brother and my mom, and Jonathan was out with my dad out there. And it was the weirdest thing for us to be separated because we always did everything together. Were you in the low-level depression?

Did you know that things were going on with Jonathan or vice versa? We did actually have one really weird happenstance. and it was so the school I went to was like a small town rural school like the high school that we were in a BC was this like new age work at your own pace a lot more like college where you can drive your schedule if you want if you're good that way I thrived at that but when we when I went back to that rural school it was literally sit like in a prison cell classroom and be droned at by a teacher it was awful I hated it my creativity was squashed and so I did not enjoy that at all but I remember at one time, I

woke up one morning and I hadn't talked to Drew in a couple days or whatever and my mom and dad was talking to him that afternoon, but I woke up with a killer sore name. I don't know. I thought I slept on it funny. Something was weird. I don't know what. That afternoon when I was talking to my parents, they're like, that's so weird because Drew

that morning had blown his knee out in a basketball game and it just total coincidence, twin thing, who knows what it is. Full quantum emmeshment. That's what it is. You guys are literally vibrating at exactly the same frequency.

Well, there is in that realm, I mean, there's definitely, I think there's some sort of a connection. And we did everything together. We started our first business together at seven years old, and we were always little go-getters and not having your sidekick in the same city as you is definitely a weird vibe.

Well, they say 40% of twins invent their own language. We had one. Our parents would pay our older brother, like a nickel or a quarter, to translate what we were saying to each other. I don't think he had a clue what we were saying, but he'd be like, oh, they're talking about taking their toy or whatever.

What's the language in Game of Thrones, draconi, what is it called? Bross. It's just like speaking so crazy. Ours was a lot less violent sounding than that. But what was it? It was when we were babies, and apparently it's quite common with twin babies.

They just have their own language. And so there's a hilarious video online if you Google Twin Talkets, these two babies standing in front of a fridge. And they're like, and they're like, full-on conversation. You have no idea. They're not speaking any language that we are aware of.

When you think about that you spend the first moments of your life in this safe little haven together, literally intertwined, and then you come out into the world and you're thrust to be separate, literally separate entities. You don't feel that way when you're in the womb. You know, you really are interconnected like that. I wonder if there are any twins who just hate each other. We actually had growing up, we had friends, and the two brothers were friends with them twins, but they did not talk. So the only time they would ever get together was if they got together with us, but they didn't talk. And that was, to me, that was a really sad thing. I think siblings in general, siblings that don't talk, you know, it's sad, but especially twins, there's this deeper connection that we have.

And I sat on his head in the womb for nine months. So, you know, you get a connection with someone when you do that. Well, I would think maybe. Didn't you date twins? We did at one point in high school. Yeah. And they looked identical. Like, John and I would walk up and we'd be like, wait, am I with you?

Who am I? Wait a minute. They were identical to you. Oh, they were super-dimensional. So Drew and I biologically are identical twins, but you can tell us apart. Like, you can tell who's who. These girls were spinning images of each other. You could not, and it actually got to a point where it was just a little too weird.

And they were even named. Oh, really? It was Jen and Jessica. It was this high school? Weird is an understatement. So were you guys sexually active at this point in your lives? I definitely was not. So it was like, we're dating, but I'd like to do that kissing thing one day.

We did talk, so we had a science teacher who was like, wouldn't it be interesting to see if your kids looked like? each other if you know because it's that's a fascinates me but no let me point out that is so weird you imagine yeah I mean we should have Drew's wife and my girlfriend might not be too thrilled with it but it's okay

it's for science it's for science and it's for HGTV Johnny got into his like manly groove at a younger age than me so he him and Pedro our best friend like they would we started clubbing at 16 in Canada where we lived it was 19 was the age but we were tall and so we assumed we were of age and our friend Pedro he was muscular and hairy

so people assumed you it was of age. And so they would hit the club and they were always like, you know, sort of numbers game like, sup, slap, slap. And they were just kind of like talk to everybody. I was too nervous and I was, I felt like embarrassed to try and hit on girls. So we were very different in high school in that realm

where he was very comfortable with the other sex. I'll point it. He was the most awkward man around girls of all times. It was like watching a Ben Stiller character. It was painfully awkward. So Drew being, because his nickname was a robot growing up. He's the robot because everything just has to make sense the way it is.

I had no emotions. They were aware of. He analyzed why he was so bad and uncomfortable around girls and he read this book and everything. And so he started challenging himself every day to talk to one new stranger, blah, I didn't want to be the 40-year-old virgin. But then he went completely the opposite way and we're like, dude, you're a douchebag.

Like, stop it. Now you're too confident. And then he would, we call him the coach because then he'd coach us when nobody wanted his help. Listen, our friends, we had friends. that were very awkward and they enjoyed. You maybe were confident. They weren't and they wanted a little bit of help.

But there was a shift. I was not a douche. But hold on. Let me ask a question about that. Let me ask a question. You guys were raised by the same people. You are identical twins. Why?

In your estimation, why do you think that there's a person really different? I took more nutrients in the womb, clearly. Drew needed. No, Jonathan. He was first out. No. Does that matter? No, that didn't matter.

Probably. What it was, Jonathan got into his nerdy magic thing. I got into sports. So I was always like playing every sport out there and I was obsessed. Jonathan got into this idea of theatrics and being a magician. And he'll deny this. But at a young age, here he is, you know, he was doing magic. We started as clowns, both of us.

And then he went more into magic. He started getting an ego because he was getting attention. Hold on. There's a lot of information happening. You guys are crazy. We were clowns. We should be like 90 years old. First of all, how many, we're not even to like college yet.

I still want to talk about their childhood. We want to know more about this. This hobby farm thing. Yeah, what's up to the hobby farm? Guys, guys, anyone listening? A hobby farm? No, but I'm interested, honestly, in your older brother and what that relationship was like because you guys are so connected and now he's the older one sort of saying,

oh, fuck, I guess I'm my only child. As kids, he couldn't stand us. He could not stand us as kids. Clearly, I mean, you guys were like, we like hop, skip and a jump. Oh, yeah. Paul, you're just moving. I feel like they should take over our podcast and be the host. Your producers actually already asked that.

They said that I'd make a good ollie. So what was that like, though? Growing up for JD, he's two years older. He's more of the quiet one. He's sort of contemplative. And, you know, he's very creative. He was a great writer as well when we were younger. He's always creating stories.

But the thing is, Jonathan and I were high energy. And our dad, when we were a young age, he got a camcorder. and so he had that at the house and Jonathan would be taken every second we could get to create little like skits and sketches we put on plays for the family we were always trying to get in front of the camera in fact we have a video of Jonathan to me

I think we were like eight years old and they were panning across we're on a pack trip up in the mountains with the horses and it was a steak ride and they're paning across showing all the guests and everybody they're there they see JD or they see Jonathan and me and we're talking trying to think of something to say

and we found a bag of chips and so we're literally the chips the chips and they're talking about the chips our voices are super high and then pan from us over and to J.D. And Jonathan, literally, you just hear his voice go, get the camera back on me! That was us all through our childhood. We were like

demon children. Hey, I lived that. Yeah. Was that what was Kate? Oh, yeah. It's a very hard place to be for our older brother in the sense that Drew and I have done every little business together, all these things. And we have individually worked with J.D. on different projects over the years, but it would be a

hard thing to be that other person who's not a part of the twin dynamic. Well, growing up, I mean, we include him with our businesses and our shows and we have him guest star and he's had his own shows and whatnot so he keeps more than busy but as kids though we were just so high energy we never thought about how this could be tough for him or how annoying we were to him so he just distanced himself when we were younger but when we matured a little bit 10 11 we started to be a bit more mature then we started to hang out in the same groups and what how much older is he three two years old two years well then

you guys are probably really tight now oh yeah we're definitely he was just here uh two days ago um hanging and he just got married as well. His wife is a hair makeup artist and she works with us on our shows too so she also travels. It's all in the family. That's fun. But he's also, I mean,

he's the quieter one. We were always the outgoing ones, but he was always very quirky and he's like the prank king. He was always prank king. Even his wedding, just, they got married on Halloween and it was a themed wedding.

Everyone had to come. All 170 people had to come dressed up as a movie character. And so no cheaping out on costumes. So he's very quirky and fun and in his own way. That sounds like a fun. It was the most fun. So you guys then went from high school.

You left. You ended up at the same college, right? For a little while. For a little bit. Yeah, we actually went to the University of Calgary first. And so I was in kinesiology, study the body. I wanted to be a basketball coach. But in Canada, at the high school level, you don't get paid to coach.

You have to do it out of the kindness of your heart. And I'm like, how the hell am I supposed to survive? So I thought if I was a phys ed teacher, it's like I'm being paid to coach. So I did that with my minor in math. Jonathan came in for business and theater. And then he, after that first year at the university, he didn't continue. He went into other stuff. He went back to school for construction and design.

And I continued in school while we were investing in real estate. Because we got into real estate as a hobby. Another hobby farm. Just out of high school. This sounds like the beginning of your life at the hobby farm sort of instilled lots of different. Well, actually, you know what? It's funny. At the hobby farm.

But when we were kids, so we started our first business at seven years. years old. And a lot of people think, oh, when you say business, it's like lemonade stand. We're like, no, Jonathan and I were hardcore. We tried to research a little bit what we could do to make more money. We were at this arts and crafts sale and we saw these decorative hangers or coat hangers that were wrapped with nylon with a little rosette. And Jonathan are like, we could do that. And so we started making them. We sold them to friends and family. Then we started to try market ourselves a little more. And this is not with any influence from our parents. This was just us. We found a woman who had a chain of American paraphernalia stores in Japan. She started buying them from us by the

thousands. So here we are at seven years old making thousands of dollars, making these hangers. We hired on friends to help us make them, and our mom would help with the rosettes. So we were all the go-getters. You guys just love money. Entrepreneur- Well, the thing that drove us is

our parents said to us when we were young, if we wanted something, they're not just going to buy it for us. We have to earn it. So I think it was the drive to make sure, to go after something we really wanted. We need money to get it, and that drove us. Exactly. I mean, I was entrepreneurial myself. The problem with me is I sold fake ID.

I grew weed And I would create these like gotcha games You know that movie gotcha where you're sort of You're paired up with two different people And it's now you have to sort of shoot them And it's a bit of a war of sorts I created this whole game at my school Everyone paid 20 bucks to enter

I had thousands of dollars in my hand After three weeks the game just fizzled out And I was left with all this money Oh there's a scam artist Did you guys both graduate? We graduated Jonathan actually graduated early as well high school college i didn't say college no college i did one year at the university of calgary and then i went back and did a certificate program for construction and then separate for design

i did four years of of college but i never finished my kinesiology degree because while i was doing that we were doing our real estate at the same time you know when we were just at the tail end of high school jonathan i started thinking what's what can we do to make more money he wanted to be a magician i wanted to be an actor and director and we didn't want to be struggling artists so we thought you know real estate is a great way to make money. The market was booming where our parents ranch was. We were still in Vancouver, but our parents ranch in Calgary. Calgary was the hottest market in all of Canada. So we thought, why don't we go to the University of Calgary? We'll go to school. So we're still making our parents happy, getting education. But at the same time, let's start investing

this real estate thing. And at the time, you could get into real estate without qualifying for mortgage. I could assume your mortgage. And so Jonathan and I found somebody was willing to let us assume their mortgage and do a top-up. So basically, out of pocket, we were $250 on a $200,000 house. That's our first one we got into, started selling, started flipping, and then I ended up not finishing my degree because we got a real estate company. They have sort of a tunnel vision view of how you buy real estate. So like we actually read every book we could bought these infomercials and everything. And we realized, yeah, you don't have to have like a 25% down payment. And at that time, there were all kinds of programs that could get you into it. So that was our

very first house, 18 years old. Well, you also had, I mean, just for people out there who think that this is something to do, but you also had vision for where you were probably buying. and what you were going to be doing with it. Jonathan and I soaked up every bit of information. We even, you know, late-night infomercials were like, make a million in real estate. Yeah. We ordered all of those, and our whole plan was we would order them.

You had like 90 days to return, and we would just photocopy all of the pages and then return it and not have to pay for it. But anyway, yeah, so we were always go-guards. We would research and research, and we would go all out. We never, I think that's something our parents instilled in us at a young age. They really made us feel if we were passionate about something, they would support us through and through,

but we had to give it 110% we couldn't just go part way and do it and so we really did and having somebody that you can trust as your sidekick and the two of you can push it made it a lot easier I think a lot of friends of ours that have you know they've just been a only child or they're trying to tackle something on their own

it's harder when you don't have that support net so when you're working together especially when you're younger I'm sure you guys have a different kind of groove now but when you were younger did you fight were there ever moments where you just not really so we've had a no bullshit policy, our entire working relationship, if there's something that's bugging us,

get it out now while it's small, because inevitably those things will turn into something bigger than they need to be. And so when people say that family can't work together, you know, we haven't had that problem because we hash that step out. We also recognize each other's strengths and weaknesses, and we naturally divide and conquer whatever task is that. Let me tell you the other side of the truth, though. So we have had, I think, three fights in our since our childhood, mainly as kids or teenagers, but the difference is Jonathan never had a problem punching me or hitting me. I never hit him. I would not do it. So he would come along and he would just like drill me one in the side if he was mad or something like that. And so the final one

that we had, it was actually, I think when we were about 18 or 19, since then we've already no BS policy has worked. But he was just getting under my skin and he was saying things to annoy me and he wasn't answering a question that I had. And I was driving and he was in the passenger your seat. And just to stick it to me, we pull into the back alley and I'm about to pull into the garage. He leans over. I like how you're the innocent angel. I'm the innocent angel. I did nothing wrong. I was seeing his praises. Anyway, he reaches over and he takes the key out of the ignition. So I'm still moving in the car. I don't actually even know how that happened because it's not supposed to, he pulled the key out of the ignition. He threw the keys, an old shitty car.

And he threw the keys down the alleyway. And then he's like, deal with that. And then he gets out. And so I ran after him so mad. And he's at the back to. And he's at the back. door to the house and he's just opening the screen door and he's like, don't you dare? And he ran over like he was going to clock me in the face. I'm like, don't you dare. I had never hit him before and I think he thought this was the time. And he opens the screen door and he like clenched his teeth and he's

like, he's ready for like a hit. And he clenched his teeth so hard, he broke his tooth. No. And it fell out. And so I just looked at that. I'm like you did that to yourself and I walked inside with a smile. Totally beat the shit out of myself. That's funny. That's amazing. So that was it after that like never. That's pretty amazing.

No, we won't have arguments or or debates on things, but what we have come to realize, which I don't know how you guys deal through conflict like that, but at the end of the day, we know we're both good people, we love each other, we know whatever, we run multiple businesses together, we know we're both looking for the best thing to happen for our business and growth. So I can't shut down his ideas. He's got good ideas. Jonathan always has great ideas. It's just that sometimes together we can come up with a better idea. Now, let me ask you a question. Do you stay in your lanes though when you're doing this stuff? Like, do you... That's one, that's a big thing.

that a lot of people say to us, but the thing is, people from our shows, people think our lanes are, Jonathan is the construction guy, I'm the suit, wheel in and dealing guy. But in reality, Jonathan was the broker for our real estate company, and we both did the construction right from the, I'm not a licensed contractor, he went to school for that, but we both did the construction design right from the mid-nighties. What you're actually peeling back is this is the subject of the most recent fight we've ever had. And so this is it, like if you go back like a year or something like that, Drew, hates it

hates it when people walk up and like hey it's the brother that doesn't do nothing I hate that too it's annoying but I mean again we were delineating our roles like that we didn't want it to be a twin gimmick for property brothers as much as we each had our own role

but they also didn't want us both being the construction person both being the real estate person originally actually I don't think we've ever told anybody this in interviews but Jonathan was cast as the real estate guy Originally, I was cast as the construction guy for the show. Wow. And so in the beginning, because they thought I looked more brawny at the time, and he had looked

like the suit guy. And I was the broker for our company. But I also was a licensed. A licensed contractor. And so when they found out he wasn't licensed, they're like, oh, this could go badly, which, yeah, like, so we went into our natural roles of what our company was actually. But as we would go forward, I always thought it was funny, Jonathan is like he would have his little ego thing where we do lectures from time to time.

So we'll be in front of a crowd of, you know, 10, 20,000 people just talking about home and Jonathan walked out and be like, let me just double check out there. Between Drew and me, who likes Drew the most? And then it would be like one dude's like, yeah, Drew! And then everyone's like, who likes me and the whole audience of women are like, have my baby?

And anyway, well, I can definitely say I've never made that obnoxious face that he made when he was doing an impression or that voice. I don't know that that's my voice. Well, I think that's a very sibling type of thing to say. Do you guys ever get sick of being?

twins? No. No. Meaning, well, you don't think about it. What question is that, Oliver? Well, it's a good one, because how much do they have do you guys have to play into that dynamic? That is real, that your identity is wrapped up in the fact that you're

identical twins. It is interesting that you'll get, so you'll get people who will want to do some gimmicky things, and most of the TV shows and what people know us for, they know property laws, they know us together. But then when there's something that takes one of us in our own direction, Drew and his wife's podcast, for example. Like, that's something that they're doing.

And so the funny thing is, the first reaction is, where's Jonathan? Everyone always at, or if someone sees me, you know, I was all over the country filming a documentary on renewable energy and the secret war that's being waged against solar companies. And I was in all over the country, the first thing everyone always said to me is like, they'd like look past me, like, where's your brother? Where's Drew?

And the funny thing with that, we're not attached. Right. Yeah, we have our own passion. Like the dog feature, well, we're both producing that. just he was the on screen. And for the podcast, we're producing this, but it's Linda and me. So everyone thinks that we're connected to the hip. And the thing I will say that's funny is like sometimes at the airport is where a lot of people will kind of stop us. And the first thing everyone says is, where's your brother? Right. I'm like, I'm my own person, but he's just

10 feet behind me. He's right there. He'll be right here. Do you guys purposely try to look different? Haircuts. We do. Yeah. So growing up as kids, our parents dressed us in the same clothes, but different colors. So Jonathan only got blue. And I literally got every other color. Why I'm the more stylish brother. Anyway, but no, so I had yellow, brown, orange, pink, red, whatever it was. Like, they put me in all different colors. And then as adults, so, too,

like, Property Brothers, right when we first got cast for the show, we had the same hair as a little bit longer, and we purposely, I cut my hair because I always would change my hair, and I didn't want it to be just the twin gimmick. I think the show wouldn't have lasted this 10 years if it was more twin gimmicky.

And to sort of give us that different look, too. Like Drew's got his dark beard, my beard is Zoe. and so we have our different things. No, but the whole thing, again, we're our own people. We want to have our own looks. The one thing, like, everybody thinks that Jonathan, like, he sleeps in plaid. Like, everyone thinks his only wardrobe is plaid.

Oh, mind you, he's wearing plaid today. But anyway, but he always gets to fence value. He's like, I have more. Platt is only 10% of my wardrobe. Solid 33%. That's so many different voices for Jonathan. That's another voice. How many voices do I have? Brothers, all of us are sounding.

It's like a British royalty. When I'm a dick, I have a British accent. So, okay. So you guys, you flip your first house. You then realize you have a knack for it, I'm assuming. Did you sell it right away? We actually lived in it. We actually lived in it.

Well, actually, the very, very first house we did, we didn't even own it. It was, just as we're going to college, a friend of ours was in this, like, rental, long-term rental place. And they were kind of squatting on a lease that the lease had never been updated for, like, years so like a hundred students have come and gone over the years at renting room to room so they're like do you want to take it over it was right across from from the university of calgary it had like what five rooms and then five rooms and the the price was something ridiculously low like 1600 or less no it was 900 bucks a month is what they were asking for which it should have been way more and so we went in there we took out like 18 truckloads of

garbage like just students crap that they left over the years we clean the whole place out we put two more bedrooms in the basement, we lived there rent free for almost like the first full semester and a half. And then the money we made off of that, we actually used that for our down payment. I mean, we only needed $250. But on the new house, that house we held for a year. We did a very basic renovation to it. And then we turned around and sold it a year later for a $50,000 profit. And that's where we started to realize that's your seed money, do something in this. And the way we used to assume somebody's mortgage and take it over without qualifying, you can't do that anymore. That was a different time back then. But it helped us get

into, we got to the point where we were basically flipping house every, I'd say, two to three months, and then we got into doing two at a time and three, and then we got into some more hold properties. And it was just a slow growth. So over 10 years, I mean, our original passions, the reason for doing it was for me to become an actor and director and Jonathan to do his magic. But then 10 years went by and the only thing I had done was, I was like a basketball player and a Toyota commercial. That was the only, it sounded like, I miss what my passion was. So did you put like a pitch together and then go to HGTV? Or did you? So Drew was when we're talking about strengths and weaknesses

so one of Drew's strengths is like if we walk into a room Drew will go and introduce himself to every single table and every single person and know who they are and figure out this architecture of great person to keep in contact

it's called charisma I ride into the room on my little red tricycle and my shorty shorts and I tell everybody who I am and chocolate all over your face I'm the guy that sits in the corner and if someone comes to me

I love conversation I love learning about people but I would rather be I'm not that guy And so Drew had stayed in touch with all these people in TV and film business because we were actors as kids too. We had done a bunch of commercials in small movies of the week and stuff like that. You may have heard of it. I was the Flynn Flan guy in the football commercial in Canada's Super Bowl.

You may have heard of break up. I'm holding back. So it was through that that Drew got approached by a producer who said, hey. No, actually, no, Drew got cast in a show. I had originally, I decided, I want to go after my passion. And we had grown a successful real estate company. So I went back to Vancouver, which was the bustling film industry and TV industry in Canada. And I thought, I want to start auditioning again.

I started getting put out, though, as a host as a real estate expert instead of as an actor. And at first I'm like, this is lame. I want to be an action star. I know karate and I should be in every Stephen Segal movie. And then I realized that wasn't happening. I still believe that for you. I want that. I do.

I will be his. But no other action star, only Steven Segal. anyway but then john i started talking about we're like well as a host we're good on our feet we had done comedy um when we were younger we did sketch improv stand up and we're like okay we're good on our feet maybe as a host this could work so then at that point i was saw i um i had a production company approached me for this show that was called he calls me up he's like dude i landed a show i'm like oh my gosh and so i was living in in calgary at the time he was in vancouver and he's like yeah this is great i landed the show host a show and i'm like oh that's amazing what's the show

he's like it's called realtor idol it's like it's like american idol for realtors and there's a pause on the phone and i was like that's the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my life it was a terrible idea but it got my foot in the door and then after the foot was in the door i i got another project pitched to me something else then jonathan i started saying well why are we waiting for these projects to come to us why don't we try pitching somebody and at the time we just thought we're going to be good to host some show so we pitched anything we were good at so we actually pitched a magic show for Jonathan, something sport related for me. We pitched an

environmental show. Who are you pitching these? Well, so this is a funny thing, too, is at the time, we didn't know how it worked. So, you know, usually a production company that has cloud, they'll talk to their network partners, the same way we do now with our production company. By the time, we didn't have anything to lose, and we didn't understand the process. So we literally went into the yellow pages.

We looked up all the networks, the big networks in Canada, and we just went and we found the head people of each of the networks, and we just went to them and said, we want to pitch you a show. You guys are so... But it was Total hustlers. We were, except for it wasn't marijuana and fake IDs. I know.

Look where I am. He wasn't even an overachiever for those things. I did well. I mean, he hardly. I did very well in those businesses. First of all, all your pot plants died. They did. Yeah.

So to the network, we actually ended up, Rogers, one of the big networks. We were actually fortunate. The head guy, the VP of their new development, he actually sat down with us. He let us pitch him and everything like that. He said he likes us and our energy. He's like, this is not the problem. process. This isn't how you do it. We would never give you money to produce a show because you have no track record. So he said that what you should do is find a production company that we know that will work with you and we did.

And then that's how eventually we were able to pitch through them. Then we pitched the idea of Jonathan and me doing what we do with clients already, property brothers. And then it was a slow takeoff from actually it was a fast takeoff. Within three months, we became the top show on the Canadian network. And then when we went to the U.S., again, within a matter of months, we were the top show on HGTV. So HGTV basically took the idea from Roger. Well, the interesting thing is HGTV in the U.S. originally turned it down. They said they didn't get it. Two brothers. They were looking for husbands and wife combos or male-female combos.

And even HGTV Canada turned it down. And they said they don't have any room for it. It was this obscure network in Canada called the Women's Network, W Network. And they're like, you know, two young guys and tight jeans doing slow-motion renovations. Hell yeah, we'll take that. And so we did it. And then when we went to number one on that network within three months, We went back to HGTV U.S. and said, hey, do you want to try it now that you see these ratings?

And so they had us edit it down to a half hour version for the first season to test it. Same thing happened. Within three months, we were the number one show in the network. Now, how many years has it been now? 10 years. It was actually 2008 was the first year I got a call about potentially doing property brothers. And so at the time, I was a real estate agent as well. So I was working with clients. the big movie chain in Canada is called Cineplex

and in Canada and then the production company that approached me for Property Brothers is called Cineflix and so I used to get bulk passes I get a thousand passes at a time for the Cineplex movies and I would give them to clients

as a gift and so for the first 10 minutes of Cineflix calling me to pitch me to do this show I was so confused because I thought it was the lady that was my contact for movie tickets and I was fine like I don't understand what you're talking about I just want the movie passes for my clients

and she's like no no we want you to host a TV show I'm like oh so anyway that's where in 2008 we started shooting 2009. We did a sizzle at first, then we did a pilot episode, and then they actually, we didn't hear from them actually

for a couple of months, and we thought that they dropped the idea. And then so Jonathan was back in Calgary, I was back in Vancouver, and then randomly I just got a call, and they said, hey, the network has decided to pick up a full first season of your show.

Can you be moving to Toronto in a week? They picked up a whole season. Yeah, they picked up the whole season. How many episodes are in a season? It started out, originally. We were just doing 13 episodes a season, and then we, because we were going away then in block shooting in different cities. We're like, well, we've got lots more time. Why don't we

make this more efficient? And so we started doing 26 episodes for Property Brothers, but then we wanted to add another show, buying and selling. So property brothers was helping people to buy and renovate a house. Buying and selling as people were trying to sell their house. So to make good use of our time because we're going city to city. So we ended up 52 episodes a year between the two shows we were doing. The next closest talent on the network was 13 episodes. Nobody was able to do it. And then our production. company ended up taking over. This past year, we actually purchased the IP for

Property Brothers, so we now own Property Brothers. Oh, great. Who came up with the name? It was a group thing between the network and whatnot. We sent a list of ideas to them. Drew actually still has the original list, the piece of paper that we wrote it on. But I remember in the beginning, Drew, so we were talking about property

brothers, and I remember Drew was like, nah, I think we can do better. And so we came up with this whole list, Mending Fences, Bungalo Brothers. Like all these stupid. Here we go. You're getting all the The alternative names We'll pull out some good ones

So it was Relative Realty On the Job with Jonathan and Drew Double Vision Those are those Twainterman Mending Fences Double Vision's like a porno

Bros before Rennos I think I have two No Bros before Renaos Who came up with the Bros before Renaos I don't know Two men in a hammer

I don't know So there's so many dumb ones And then we realize Two Men and a Hammer Oh yeah two men in a hammer Another porno Mirror image The

That's where All the inspiration comes The brothers Mirror image Wait by the way That is a statistic For twins You know the statistic?

Yeah Those were amazing By the way Twoons have Revers Asymmetrical features And also That's crazy

We are apparently mirror twins Because I'm a lefty He's a righty Oh so you have that too Because 20% have have different yeah they use which is which is interesting

I mean I'm a lefty I'm a lefty I'm a see yes that's why we're the more billion ones oh okay all three of us are right right hand and then all sports left handed and I'm actually the opposite I have left and I throw left

but I bat right and I golf right I'm the same I'm a dexterous so I do everything both hand but I predominantly do things like right and everything with my right hand I play guitar right handed but the only reason I do that everything else I do left handed but that's because my dad refused to teach me a guitar left

attended? He's like, you will learn what I know. And so I just learned right-handed. But anyway, yeah, so we are mirror twins and the name of the show. I'm glad we went with property. It was in the end, Jonathan I had talked. We're like, wait, if we make it property brothers, the chance of them replacing us after season one if we really suck is really low. So it's going to be harder to find other brothers to do what we do. So that's why we went with that name. And then it ended up being, we air in over 160 countries. That's amazing. So 10 years and now, I mean, 50, so, I mean, what, hundreds and have a hundred thousand how many houses 400 as of um within a couple months we'll hit our 400th episode 400 which we just discovered we were looking at all the stats that means that we have

hosted more hours of original content more episodes than any other person in history in this space in this space yeah but it's fun we love that's 400 families okay but also people watching the millions of people globally that are inspired of the 400 houses have you ever done a house and been like that was terrible this is okay You know what's funny? How dare you? We really fucked the house up. There must have. There's one episode we didn't air. Out of all

the episodes, there's only one that has never aired, and it was a guy, he was a firefighter. So the network does the approvals for who'll be on the show. And they're like, oh, firefighter. You'll get his firefighter buddies over, and it'll be good TV, and it'll be good programming. Anyway, he wanted to buy this house. It was in a neighborhood in Toronto where it was an old landfill, and all the

houses built on top of it. They didn't prep the ground properly, and all the houses were sinking. So when you walk into the house, house from the front where you are to the back it actually dipped like a foot it was crazy and he just wanted to level out the floors instead of properly fixing the house and we said we can't do that we have to do everything properly we would never do a half a half ass job and anyway the guy was adamant he was going to buy the house we ditched him and he still got it we we started the episode we filmed for two days with with a guy and did the tour and everything and then i said i'm not going to take on a project where we're illegally like not getting permissiving and so we didn't that's the only one that hasn't aired i've We've never, you know, had a project where I didn't like, like, we screw that up or I didn't like it. Sometimes, like, there have been things that I've done. Like, I remember one project. I had this idea in my mind for this really cool vintage medallion feature on the ceiling.

It was like a, it was an old row home, 120 years old and tall ceiling. So I want to do this cool medallion thing. And I put it in and I looked up when it was done as like, that's the ugliest fucking thing I've ever seen ever. It looked like a vagina, actually. So does HGTV pay for the renovations for this? And that's actually a great question. And then the follow-up question is, when I watch some of these shows, it's like, is it done with quality material? Or is it just shit to cut costs?

And that's a great thing. What I love, HGTV, they stay on top of productions because there are other shows out there that are home renovation shows on different networks and stuff. And a lot of times, you know, it could look pretty good on TV, but at the end of the day, it's not a great job. or things aren't finished properly. It's just not what you would ever want to have in your house. We, on our shows, whatever you see, it is highest quality. You know, there's the national building code. Then there's the row code, we call it.

Because the level of what we want to leave everybody with is it's important. We give them the best of the best. Because the thing, too, is they're all our calling card out there. If we do a terrible job and somebody says bad things about us, it doesn't look good on us as well. And on top of that, people ask the furniture, do you stage the house and it looks beautiful? And as soon as you're done rolling, you're like, back up the truck, let's take it all out. No, with our shows, all of the furniture and everything's included in the budget, too. It's important.

When we renovate a house, we renovate it the way we would want to renovate our own place. And I have gone in. Like, I remember I went into a house that it turns out had been on another show years and years and years ago. And I could not believe the crappy quality of the work that had been done on this place. And so, yeah, like that was one thing we said was very important to us. Take the TV show out of it. we're actually trying to help these people and improve their lives.

And the only way you can do that is if you do it right. You have a follow up. You do. Actually, last year we did it because we shot in Atlanta and so we did a follow up because there's one or two things

that happened. We renovate the house and then we come back five years later and nothing has changed. Literally, like the core piece where we put it is in the exact same place nothing has changed or the kids ruined at five months later.

So we went back to this family and nothing had changed in their house. The only thing they had changed they got married since we were with uh we did the show with them and so one of our art pieces was swapped out for a wedding photo but i mean at the end of the day like renovations are very stressful buying a house is very stressful anyone going through renovation knows it's stressful in a relationship i see the look in your eyes so you've dealt with it but the last thing we would ever want to do is try to help a family through this process and then leave them high and dry in something in the

end we want them to love their home the way that we love our own homes i love i actually love the process i always say if i wasn't doing what i like at some point it would be fun to flip houses because I love it. From what I've seen and also we featured you in Reveal you have, at least it looks to me like you have a great designer.

I think I do. I like it because I like living in my houses or the houses that I've done. You know, the craftsmanship and the work that people put into making homes to me is like, I mean, that's the stuff that I love. Well, you don't need to have a stark modern home

to get some of that modern aesthetic or functionality. you can still have those character elements throughout the home and different spaces can have different vibes. That's why we love our home and what we did because we made sure we cherished all the old. We had the original front door we refurbished and part of the original banister and fireplace. But then we moved the kitchen over

before they had the kitchen tucked away because it was a different style of living. Now we have an open flow from the kitchen through the dining to the living room. Were your parents really design, like was their home important to them the way it felt and the things that were in it? Yeah, I mean,

home has always been very important for us but from a design standpoint my dad absolutely not my mom definitely had a little bit more of like a traditional designer flair that she would put into it but home was very important for us having those memories at the holidays making sure that we felt like we were safe and that you know if there was something creatively creatively that one of us wanted to follow my parents would make sure that they built out of space for us to do that in so like you know for my magic I had a magic space that I could work our dad would let us use his office as our fort when we were kids like we would build we take all the old

boxes from the old appliances and stuff and we would build out a whole town down there and so they gave us areas to let our creativity grow the most from our parents um home was where we all were it didn't matter the physical structure as much it was where we were as a family and spending time together and so we had moved a few times but they really gave us that sense of calm whenever we were at home yeah i feel that way because we travel so much but i think and you know oliver's wife aaron does that as well because she literally i mean we don't go anywhere without her bringing like half of the house and the kitchen and like the snacks I can so when we're filming on the road I can pack up no joke the my entire apartment or wherever we are on the road I can pack my whole

place up less than four hours done yeah Drew and Linda takes really have like 900 suitcases and a Sherpa and yeah you have to appreciate this though when you film on the road that we literally majority of the time we're on the road working you know our family and friends stay at our houses at home more than we do so we have our house on the road because we're always there and then we have our house stuff at home so we try to make ourselves comfortable on the road when did you guys discover that you were actually twins like was there a moment where you went oh wait this is not like the normal I thought it was just a mirror that I was looking at until I turned 41 I mean for the first six months of Drew's life he was growing in my shoulder and then eventually they cut him out and he grew I don't I don't remember exactly though like when we're toddlers I think Is there ever a moment where you realized, like, were you always aware that you were, like, that it was different?

Yeah, as far as I can remember back to when I was a kid, because, you know, you can't remember everything as a kid. I remember having a twin. And maybe when we were toddlers, we just thought we were siblings or brothers. But I do remember thinking that there's a guy that looks exactly like me that is always around. Even today, it's actually kind of funny

because you don't think about it. You don't think about, oh, I have a guy who shares my face. You don't think about it. I just think about the fact that I have siblings, same as my older brother. I have a sibling. And then all of a sudden, even today, you'll clue in, you'll be like, that is a little weird. It's a little strange.

Well, and actually, people think, you know, the triplets make us not as cool anymore. But still, people will look at us like, we're the craziest thing they've ever seen. And that's kind of funny to me because I'm like, twins are pretty common now. So the new magazine, how did this venture start? Well, it's all our fans. It comes from the fans. And they've said, you know, they love what we do with our shows and we're inspiring them in their homes. But they were, they're always asking for more ways that we can sort of inspire them or up.

uplift them or share stories with them and we thought you know it's our brand isn't just a home brand anymore it's a lifestyle brand and there are more aspects to our lives and stories that we want to share and so reveal you know our slogan is it all starts at home but home is a springboard for life so whether it's food traveled family love we wanted to share more and there's so many amazing people like yourself in our first issue you're in there at home feature at home with kate and my favorite room yes and so i mean that's exciting for us to share other inspiring stories out there and there and there's cool stuff too you know we've got you know in the very first issue we've got our parents but every issue will have some celebrities parents that will talk about an aspect of growing up or

celebrities that are parents yeah celebrities that are parents we've also got like fails so we is doing the fail article where they they went out to do some something whether it was to throw a party or to make some fashion decision and it just totally bombed bad and so it's a lighthearted take on something that can give people real steps, simple steps to get more out of life. But also, it's really, and it's just, it's pulling back the curtains a little more in our lives. And there's so much family is the number one most important thing to us. My wife and I want to have kids soon too. And I think there's a lot that we can still learn and share the experience as we grow together with our audience. And I mean, amazing people too. Like if you

know, Oh Joy, Joy Cho between the Ojoi brand, she's going to be featured as well. And we have so many amazing, amazing people that are sharing stories. I always like when you kind of, because we talk about this a lot and you're going into your content piece, you know, where you get to talk about other things that are an extension of yourself. After a while, you know, you probably, you guys probably do a lot of talking about yourself and the things, and the things that you do, but you really also get to now highlight people that inspire you or that you like what they're doing and all that. So that's fun. And then brother versus brother. And this is you guys competing, which is what you do best. This is season seven of brother versus brother.

So after Property Brothers and our other shows, Jonathan and I were talking to the network, and they're like, your shows at the top shows on the network, is there anything else you can do for us? And we said, well, we love to compete, and they would see that on social media and whatnot. Our fans loved it as well. And we're like, why don't we compete designing two houses? So this was actually Jonathan's plan to get me from just wearing a suit and getting my hands dirty again. So I had to get in there and do my own construction. And how does that usually pan out?

Well, I've won more episodes than Drew has. You have? No, no, no. is the winner. I've won more episodes. You've won more overall sale. Yeah, that's true. So basically the way it works is the each episode, there's a challenge like the kitchen

challenge and we'll have random celebrity friends who come in and judge the spaces based on whatever they want. They can judge, they can say, I don't like pink, so you lose, whatever. The way you win an actual season, the whole season of it is we renovate the houses, we sell them, and then whichever brother makes a bigger profit wins, period. And then all the money goes to charity. That's great. So the funny thing is the last season we shot in San Francisco.

And so, and every challenge, too, whenever one of the brothers lose an episode, like the living room or the master bedroom, there's a winning brother and a losing brother. And so the winning brother gets a reward. And so one of our challenges was, like, I'm a huge basketball nut. And so one of the rewards was to go shoot hoops with Steph Curry. And so I'm like, I want this one. And the losing brother had to be the ball boy. Well, sure enough, I won. And so we get to do fun things that are centric to the city.

Did you go get to shoot with Steph? Yeah, yeah, I did. Is that your team? Well, I love Raptors. I love Clippers. I haven't actually been to see the Lakers. Raptors. You lost your boy. No, I know. Well, he's here now so I can see him in L.A.

Lakers. And also Golden State. But so with that, we're now filming Brother versus Brothers Season 7 in L.A. So the only thing I can tease to everybody is think of the fun L.A. centric rewards that you're going to see in punishments for Jonathan or a loser. Can I pitch myself? Yes. Okay. How will you reward us? We'll give you 30 seconds.

No, okay. 30 seconds. I want to renovate my house. I don't want to spend a lot of money. Is there any way that I can be on the show so I can get my house renovate? done for free. That's the pitch we get from everybody. That's literally the pitch from everybody. Yeah, but...

Have you learned nothing from this podcast? I mean, Oliver... Homeowners pay for 80% of the renovation. So they're still paying for the renovation. On the show. Yeah. So the... That's a good 20% of, you know?

We give, not only to get use of our design team for free, we get it done in a fraction of time. Most people I know in L.A. who are renovating, it's like a year and a half or more renovation. But also, we stretch a budget like no one's business. I mean, if you see what... Sometimes you're like, you renovated that house for that much money. Come on.

But our budgets are real. It's just we get some stuff for free as well, tradeouts from companies. But we really know how to organize, stretch a budget and do it fast. What's the biggest budget house you've ever done? Well, so Frady Bunch House. Yeah. Did you do that one? That was pretty big.

That was awesome. We've done in the millions for residential. I used to do commercial before we were doing the shows and whatnot. And so those were large budgets as well. But I'm like kind of a celebrity, you know what I mean? like I can I can help out with I love I love your sister I think it'll be a big show I absolutely love your sister yeah you can't pay with just just consider the pitch just at least consider it my house is like a children's frat house I have three kids the dogs piss everywhere I need an adult home sounds like you need a dog trainer I'm going to do this for the children sounds yes sounds like well Oliver has been trying to renovate a great episode I'm actually renovating this has if we had to choose one of your two houses to renovate on and you had to each choose one

one reason why you would be the better candidate how would you sales pitch that oh i mean me i would me well what that's the reason i like the reasoning it's really selling us on it what just me me period well well because first of all i don't have an eye for design like kate does but I'm willing to learn. I know what's good. I just don't know how to make it all come together. I have three kids and not nearly the amount of money that Kate has to do whatever she wants with her 17 houses and properties.

I don't have seven. I have one property. But you could have more houses if you wanted. Now he's hypothetically bashing you. No, but so, you know, and I'm better on camera in a sort of an improv sense. You know what I mean? Like I will be more flashy. talking about i don't know i'm just fun i'm just a fun in your process of applying to our show you've

now ruined your sister brother relationship no no i'm so used to this but here's what i would say here's why i'd be the the best candidate for your show it's because you have 11 million instagram followers i actually really love to build homes and the attachment i've had to this property is really intense because we grew up over there so i've had to held on to this house forever i win in the time it took for you guys to pitch those we've unfortunately fully cast the show yeah yeah okay so how often do you talk each day these are our speed rounds uh with each other yeah every day yeah every day multiple times a day mostly just by a text oh what's the dumbest thing you've done to be competitive

something just stupid where it's like i'm better than you but this is completely lame oh my gosh that's a good question I'd have to think I mean I do a lot of dumb shit when we're younger he used to try to like if there was a girl we both kind of liked he tried to get there first before me to one up me and then sometimes I think it was a little bit too intense and stalkerish and so that was always making them like me more do you guys have the same do you guys have the same body hair pattern I have no body hair do you have any body hair I have you like to see you do so you have body hair and you don't laser oh you're laser we go again let me start with this stuff

okay one word to describe each other but you describe each other okay um all in that's two words but it's still jonathan so truce says jonathan is all in jonathan drew um i would say uh like forward like definitely the more outgoing who's better at keeping a secret definitely dronathan me oh my gosh no he's the worst oh really you have to tell me it's a secret for me to know i have to keep it boom i'm with you, man. Thank you. If you don't tell me not to say anything, then I'm just going to say it. How am I supposed to not know not to tell the family that someone's pregnant?

Because you don't indulge unless. I know this is a speed round, but can I just really quickly say it? It was a big reveal on property brothers and the family, the wife was revealing on the show that she's pregnant but she didn't want to tell her family until the show was airing, so all her family would see on the show

that she's saying she's pregnant. Well, the production team was there and they were told I was shooting on another location and then I came over they were all told it's a secret from the family and then we're just about to do a big thing with the family at the end like your congratulations so i come in the first thing i say the production person i'm like hey so does everyone know um that it's uh that she's pregnant and they're like yeah everyone knows well they meant all the crew know i thought they meant all the family know so we did a big speech in front of the whole family and the ladies like we're so happy to be

on property brothers thank you for doing this with us and then i take the mic and then i'm saying next one i'm like well oh she's like this this renovation was such a great surprise for us and then I take the mic and I'm like well that's not the only great surprise and I put my hand on her stomach and I'm like and I look at it and all I see is Jonathan and all our team like to their hand to their throat is going mortified up you got to tell me it's a secret

that's funny that's funny okay what do you think is the biggest difference between the two of you intellect right John that likes downtime likes downtime more I'm learning to like downtime more I'm a workaholic and I really love a busy busy pace and especially with wanting kids who I need

to learn to shut up. Can I say something real quick? You know what's so funny is like we do these podcasts we always sit across. It always seems like the two similar people are sitting next to each other in every single one that we do. So you don't shower either? No. No, it's cool. Yeah. I actually hate shower

I'm an eco warrior. Yeah. Who's more outgoing? I would say overtly as far as like meeting people and doing that and having friends and being social. True. But both are going. Who is messier? Jonathan

100% I mean you know I'm a clean I like things I like things but I don't have to put all the clothes away

or the dishes away until after I've enjoyed the meal who would win in a fist fight Drew 100% oh really I don't know you would win

why are you so surprised because he seems a little I don't know I fight dirty you do I go for the shins he'd pull out like he'd like slice my ankle

or something and I would just go for my I'm wiry one punch who's funnier I'm stronger. Who's the funniest of you too? I would say John,

like John is funny, but we play off each other. That's what we love. We get asked to do individual appearances, but I actually enjoy being together because we have a fun sibling dynamic. So who's the wittiest?

Like who's the... I would say probably, like I think that would probably be it. I'd say maybe Jonathan. And goofy? Who's goofiest? We trade off. I think the fans may think that

on the show Jonathan's goofier because there's more like screen time doing demolition where you can goofier. off, but 90% of what I say on the show they could never air. I think in reality, probably me, but on the show it appears, Jonathan. So who's the most rebellious?

Jonathan, growing up, 100%, he rebelled more than I was. He was a pain in the butt. Are you guys 100% authentic on this show? Or is there a part of you that sort of gives it a little bit more because you know you're on camera, you know you're entertaining? You know, I mean, are you just so,

this is who you are. It is who we are. And I think that's one thing that the fans really love and gravitate towards is that when they meet us in person, they're always like, You're so you on the show. We're not pretending to be someone else. If you were to cast yourself in a movie, who would you cast? Well, Jonathan always gets Harry Connick Jr. Like all the time.

Or he had Pewey Herman. So then that would be, so basically they'd have. No, but I never get that. I don't even know why I'm asking this because then it would have to be the same guy. That's the funny thing, though. Nobody ever says that. Everyone always says he looks like Harry Connick, but I always get if my hair, like a bit of beard and in shorter hair I get Ben Affleck or I get Ben Affleck or I get.

get like Tony Robbins so that's a nice cross Tony Robbins it's a nice cross I would cast Christopher Watkins as myself I see I think so okay so the best advice that you've received from each other we like this is our favorite part advice I'd say the one thing that I really love that Jonathan and I are a good reminder for each other and because I'm a workaholic it's nice for him to remind me to enjoy the journey it's not always just about the end result to take time to enjoy the journey especially when I have someone amazing like my wife with me. Take time to enjoy the small moments along the way. And one of the things that Drew had sort of brought into the fact that when we would disagree on how to do something,

Drew had said, you know, you got to understand there's a million right ways to do something, but it doesn't always take the right. There's a million right ways to do something, but it doesn't always take the same path to get there. And so that was actually very valuable because you're right. At the end of the day, who cares what method you use? as long as you get... Yeah, I mean, and tying into that, though, too, best advice we ever had together from our mom and dad.

Like, they give us so much great advice. At the time, as kids, you don't think about it. But, like, stuff, for example, I said, you can always get to the top. If you're really passionate about something and you want to achieve something, you can always get there. But there's always a path to do it

without stepping on someone along the way. And I think that's how we've always lived our lives, is we never have to knock someone else down or put someone else in a worse situation to get to where we wanted to get to. There's always a way to work with other people to get there. Sounds like you've awesome parents. They're a rock star.

They're still together. They're still together. We spend as much time as possible together. They're going to be with us over the holidays too. Still in love. That's so great. That's a rarity. If you could give your sibling something,

like if you could insert them with a characteristic or something that you knew would be amazing for them, what would that be? What do you wish that they don't already have? Yes, something that if you, if you do, just had this you know i would say the ability to realize that other people have emotions and don't necessarily think about things like a robot i've worked on that over my years with linda before i was very i just talked to everyone the way i talked to john the very straightforward and uh but now i'm fine with that i've learned to mellow i would say which johnson's actually

come to realize i think too but you know over the years he's been in and out of relationships and I think the one great thing was to remind him that he is a catch. Like, I'm not just saying that because he looks like me. Like, he is a great person. He loves with his whole heart whenever he's with somebody and that he will find somebody that feels the same way in return and gives him back how much that he gives. And I like that he, I don't know if that was a reminder that you needed, but I like that he took that and now he's in an amazing relationship.

That's great. And what would you take from each other? Like, if you could take one thing. Relieve, like, relieve. It would be that. That carefree thing where you just go up and meet a stranger and have no problem meeting a stranger, I'm not that guy. I don't, I'm not, I don't want. So you would, but would you like to have a piece of that?

Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. And I think Jonathan is the, Jonathan is a hopeless romantic. And so I think for me, like, there's so many little things that he always does. I'm like, that's taking so much time. Why are you doing that? But he does all these amazing little things. I think that's something that I'm continually learning from him to improve on you.

Yeah. That fearlessness. That's the word that I use with her too, because that's, That's what I would take from Kate. She's just fearless. And if I could have a little piece of that, I'd be way more famous than her. It's a very good attribute. You guys are awesome.

Yeah, you guys are amazing. I would chat for another two hours, but I have to pee. Thank you so much for coming and talking to us. We'll see you again. Yes. When you do my house. Yeah, when you do my house. Thanks, guys.

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