Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - The Secret to Longevity with Dan Buettner

Episode Date: April 26, 2023

Kate and Oliver are joined by National Geographic Fellow and New York Times-bestselling author Dan Buettner.  They discuss the Blue Zones, where people are living the longest and why, how to reduce stress, the importance of social interaction, and more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickEdited by Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by:Sakara (sakara.com/sibling)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling reverie. That's good. Hi. Hey, so we can go through all the pleasantries and hey, how are you? and, you know, talk about our day and kids. But this, this guest that is coming up made me feel like I do nothing in my life. He's changing the world.

He is so fascinating. Dan Butner, Dan Butner, he is the Blue Zones Specialist. He created Blue Zones. I love Dan. He's actually been an old friend of moms for a while. And then him and I kind of connected outside, actually. of mom, but I've done a bunch of lives with him, really helping him amplify his books that I just love.

I love what he's out in the world trying to do for people and to educate people on food and longevity. This guy. For those who don't know, just explain what the blue zones are. Or he's going to explain what the blue zones are. So I don't want to, like, bleed. That's good. That's good.

You know. It's a great idea. But. you know there's certain people that you meet that you're like I want to do what you do he took it's like the Iiki guy stuff which will which we we will get to it on another episode this season but you know people who actually are living their passion and that's what Dan is doing and he just was researching happiness and longevity in in different places in the world and how people you know what they what what what what what

what makes them tick for so long. And then out of this came his life work. And he's just super cool, too, like, you know. Yeah. That's the other thing. He's just cool. I mean, he makes you feel like it's not that hard to do, which I guess it's not as hard as you think.

I got the cookbook and I made a few recipes from it. It was amazing. I mean, really fun, fun to do. You know, it's got these cookbooks basically that. that give you recipes based on these places where these blues zones are, where these people live the longest. Well, he's an award-winning journalist. I mean, so he does these books, but he also is like he really is a great journalist.

Yeah, and his writer. He's got three Guinness World Records, too. Which is also crazy. Get into that. He's everything. We didn't talk about his minestronee soup. So before we get into this episode, I want to plug that for him. I feel like because we should all be eating minestrone soup every day.

And he's got his recipe in one of his books. But stuff like that. Like we're not eating enough beans. These are the things that are like so good for us more plant-based. He gets into it. You're going to love this. Yeah. If you want to learn how to live forever, check this episode out.

Yay, Don. There you are. Hello. How are you? Good to see you. So good to see you. I was thinking, I was just with all of it. I'm like, Oliver, I'm like, you know, mom and I were friendly with Dan.

And you finally now get to meet another piece of this crazy family. I feel like the best piece. The portfolio was filled out now. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm excited because I'm, Dan, you know, I'm, I'm a, a huge fan of your work. Oliver now gets to, like, get in on this. And then I have one pitch before we start.

We've got the blue zones, right? Which is the temple, which is the pinnacle. I think we need to create different shades. So we can work up to blue. You know what I mean? Like L.A. might be... Yule zone or the turquoise zone. Yeah, like L.A. is, like, sort of red going into yellow.

You know what I mean? I like the turquoise zone. Like, what's that? That's all fun of the ocean. That's right. You're lucky man. You're right, though, Oliver. So, Dan, for those who don't know, I mean, we've done a couple lives together,

but for those who don't know who are listening to this podcast, why don't you just give an explanation of what the blue zones are and how you started in this journey on sort of discovering what the blue zones are. So I've been an explorer my whole life for National Geographic. And in the 2000 or so, I had been unraveling ancient mysteries, like why the ancient Maya civilization collapsed. We followed Marco Polo's trip across China.

I think we proved that Marco Polo didn't go to China. But we stumbled upon a finding for the World Health Organization in 1999 that, showed that Okinawa, Japan, southernmost tip of Japan, was producing the longest-lived, healthiest people on the planet. So disability-free life expectancy is actually the technical term. And I said, aha, that's a good mystery. And I took a team there in 1999, and we did a real facile exploration, and we saw these commonalities emerge.

The people seem to be doing the same thing. And I got the idea, if there are longevity hotspots in Asia, maybe there are some in Europe and Africa and North America and South America. And with a grant from the National Institutes on Aging, I hired demographers, and these are people who specialize in populations to go through worldwide population data to find areas where people are living statistically longest. And that took three years. and when I found them, I went back to National Geographic, and I said, let's do a story on this. And this was back in the day where they gave you a quarter of a million dollars to do a national geographic story. And it became one of the most successful cover stories of their history.

And that really launched us on. So the idea is to find the longest lived areas around the world. And once you find them, because only 20% of how long you live is dictated by your genes, 80% is something. else, we thought to look for those clues on that other 80 percent, we would go back to the blue zones and find the common denominators. And that's what I've done over the past 20 years. Now, why blue? Because the demographer or the research we were working with in Sardinia, he was scoured the entire island, the Italian island of Sardinia, and started for 300 villages. And every time he found a centenarian in the last hundred years, he put a little blue

checkmark. And in this one area called the Noro Province, up in the highlands, in the rugged mountains of Sardinia, there were six villages that were, there were so many blue check marks. It was just a blue blob, like a blue cloud. And we started referring to that as the blue zone. And then I took the liberty of expanding the term to any place around the world where there's a high, proportion of 100-year-olds or life expectancy is longest. And we found five of them to date. I like blue. I think it's a good color. But is there a threshold? Meaning, is there a number of people where then we are classifying it as a blue zone? What is that threshold? It's a good question because we kind of established. And different blue zones take on different

metrics. For example, in the Sardinian Blue Zone, there are about 10 times more male centenarians than there are, say, in a group of 1,000 Americans. And in Okinawa, among women who are 60 years and older, they're about 20 times more centenary, female centenarians. But they also have the most number of years without disability. So in the United States, at about age 73, people can expect to be suffering from their first chronic disease, heart disease or diabetes. In Okinawa, it's not until about 85, so they're getting more healthy years. And then in the United States here, not far from where you guys are sitting right now into California. This is the most surprising.

I know. Yeah, I mean, Oliver was like, Oliver was like Sardinia, Greece, Okinawa, Alinda, Olinda. And Bernardino Freeway. Yeah. Right, exactly. It's a great smog over there. Right, right.

And you get off the freeway, the first thing you see is a wiener hut. Yeah. And a Del Taco. That's right. But you go and land a little bit, and you have the highest concentration of Seventh-day Adventists in the world. And Adventists are conservative Methodists, you know, who they take their diet. directly for the Bible. So they're eating mostly whole food plant based. And they tend to not smoke and drink. And, you know, they can go to church and they have strong families, etc.

But they're limping about nine years longer than their California counterpart. And that's huge. You know, I mean, you guys are young and good. But, you know, you start getting 60, 70 years old. And you have your children. You want to see your grandchildren. You want to see your kids get married, etc you want to have a vital you know old age and these people are getting it and the value propositions you're not just hanging around at 90 or 100 you're playing pickleball or you're walking or you're gardening or you know you're partying with your friends and that's the value proposition is about a decade younger biologically at every step along the way so there's different criteria basically to establish these blue zones, right?

There's not a guideline of establishing where these blue zones are. And then given the fact that we're pushing almost 8 billion people, I'm sure they're half of the undiscovered blue zones, correct? There are criteria. There are three of them. So it's life expectancy, life expectancy, middle age mortality rates, and then centenarian rate. Those are the three criteria.

we use, and we use them, and it's sort of a multivariable equation. Now, as far as other blue zones, there may be one more, and I can't tell you where it is, but the problem is globalization and the American food culture, and Kate and I talked a lot about this the last time we talked, wherever you get this chips and sodas and candy bars and hamburgers and pizzas, which are now global. I mean, you can go to Kathmandu and see Burger King. As soon as that way of eating enters, you see diabetes rates skyrocket. You see cardiovascular disease, gastrointestinal cancers skyrocket, and life expectancy plummets.

And we're starting to see that, in fact, in all the blue zones now. Oh, really? I wonder from when you start, like, 2009, what was the first time you had, like, a very thorough account of the blue zones? Was it 2009? 2004. I wrote a cover story for Geographic in 2005, but it was the work of 2004. From then to now, what has sort of, whether it be, you know, has it maintained the same kind of life expectancy, or has it declined? It's declined.

So in Nica, Costa Rica, we haven't talked about that. That place is the lowest rate of middle age mortality. so they're about twice as likely to hit a healthy age 90 than we are in the United States and they spend one-fifteenth the amount we do on health care one-fifty but now a Burger King and a Pizza Hut and a KFC have arrived in Nikoya and their life expectancy is dropped we expect that will be gone in a decade in in Sardinia and Icaria Icaria that's Those are the fourth and fifth blue zones. They're not getting to hit quite as hard because they're isolated,

but still life expectancies on the wane and since centenarians are dropping off. And then Okinawa, I'm sad to report, is no longer a blue zone. And that's a bit of an announcement right here. They are now the least healthy prefecture of Japan. And so they've gone from producing the healthiest, longest live humans in history to now be the most unhealthy and why because the american food base that's in naha in okinawa and the forest of fast food restaurants that surround it and the fact that most of the island's been paved over with freeways so they they've adopted kind of an la way of urban planning

and kind of a shopping mall way of eating and predictably enough obesity is soaring that Worst case of diabetes in all of Japan. And, you know, sadly, it's gone from blue. And to your earlier point, it's become a bit of a gray zone. Oh, God. It's so sad. Well, it's sad, but it's also, I guess, the work that you're doing is hopeful because you're zeroing in on something that we do know.

science does know that the more plant-based we eat, the healthier we are. And then it shows up in these zones. I mean, would you attribute most of longevity to plant-based eating? Right, right. And to follow up real quick, like, what is the thing that is connecting, you know, all of these blue zones? Like, what is the factor that we can sort of through line through all of it? Yeah, so Kate's right. So I wrote an entire book, now three of them on the diet of longevity. And if you do what's called a meta-analysis, if you want to know what a hundred-year-old ate to live to be 100,

you have to know what they were eating, not just lately, but when they were little kids and middle-aged and newly retired. And working with Harvard, I oversaw what's called a meta-analysis. So 155 dietary surveys, done in all five blue zones over the last 80 years. And when you take all those and average them together, you see that about 90 to 95% of all the calories they consume are whole plant-based foods. They're eating mostly whole grains, greens, tubers like sweet potatoes. In Okinawa, until 1970, about two-thirds of their calories came from purple sweet potatoes.

Nuts, a handful of nuts a day gives you about two years of extra life expectancy. And the cornerstone of every longevity diet in the world is beans. So they do eat meat, but only five times per month, a little bit of fish. They drink wine, tea, and coffee. Even Okinawa, where it seems to sort of be a fish-based culture. So that's what most people think. But Okinawa is not like the rest of Japan. Okinawa was actually the Rukuz Kingdom until 1912.

And then it was assimilated by Japan. And they're very culturally different. It's like the difference between Oklahoma. Oklahoma and Texas, I mean, Oklahoma and Mexico, they're very, I mean, even though they're contiguous land-wise, but they're not, they're very different. Okinawan was there, they, until about 1990, 98% whole food plant base, their main protein source came from tofu, which they ate, they have this beautiful artesian tofu there that's super healthy.

But to your bigger question, I would say 60% of their longevity is their diet. The other 40% are things that I think really blue zones brought the spotlight to. In 2005, nobody was talking about the power of purpose. Having a strong sense of purpose, for example, like you see in these blue zones, is worth about eight years of life expectancy, being socially connected. If you're lonely in America, which about 25% of us are, that means you don't have at least three friends you can count on a bad day, that shaves about seven years off your life expectancy incredibly corrosive so in these blue zones

they're living in areas where there's uh there's vocabulary for purpose like ikigai and okinau or plan de vita they live in communities where people are socially connecting every time they walk out their frontier very walkable neighborhoods there's you know they have church they have festivals that eat together in cafes. They don't exercise in the way we think of exercise, but they're moving every 20 minutes or so because every time they go to work or a friend's house and occasions of walk, they have gardens out back.

They keep four seasons, three seasons a year, so they're always weeding or planting or harvesting. They don't have the mechanical conveniences to do their homework. So they're kneading bread by hand and doing yard work with machetes and grinding corn and all these things add up. And the big epiphany to Blue Zones, the reason why people live a long time there is not because they have a better sense of individual responsibility. It's not because they have greater discipline.

It's because they live in environments where the healthy choice is either the easiest choice or the unavoidable choice. And if we really want to see a healthier America, or indeed, if you want to help your family, you don't want to try to necessarily change your behaviors because even though that works occasionally in the short run, it fails for almost everybody all the time. What you want to do is set up your life so that the healthy choice is easier and avoidable. And then you can forget about it and your unconscious behavior becomes the behavior that carries the day. How do you set up something to where the healthier choice is unavoidable?

You know, what do you have to do to create something like that, given the choices we have in America? So there's a lot, actually. So I actually wrote a book called The Blue Zone Challenge that came out about a year ago. I don't think Kate and I talked about that. But for example, in your home, we're all going to bring junk food into our house, you know, chips and sodas. but to have a junk food drawer out of the way we tend to all be on a seafood diet we eat the food we see so having a junk food drawer that's either out of the way or around the corner of a pantry a Cornell food lab actually did several studies on that and found that you know if you have

if you don't see the junk food if it's not on your counter with a chip on it you know clip you're not eating it having a fruit oil in your kitchen, taking the toaster off of the counter. If you have two groups of people, one who have a toaster on the counter, another one that doesn't, after two years, the people with a toaster on their counter way about six pounds more than the group that doesn't have a toaster on there. Because, you know, we tend to put unhealthy food in toasters, and, you know, we see it on our counter, and that looks good.

Yeah. In goes the frozen burrito. That's right. Yeah. Pop cart. That's actually really interesting. I like that idea of like a junk food drawer. I've never thought of that.

Just having a place that completely is out of the way, even like in the garage. Like you have to actually, if you want it, you have to go, you have to take the time to walk to the garage knowing in that time like, eh. Not only that, but it has it has 13 locks on it. So it takes about 15 minutes to get to the junk food. I also think I go ahead no you you go ahead well I just have a question because these blue zones that we're talking about have they haven't become blue zones in the last 10 50 years right I mean this seems to be a cultural thing you know that has maybe been going on for thousands of years as far as the way that they have lived their lives of course you know consumerism globalization is coming into their worlds now and okinawa is no longer a blue zone So how does one establish new blue zones, or is it going to take another thousand years? Are we already too far gone? Yes.

So the reason I'm living in a beautiful condo on the beach in Miami here is because I started a company about 12 years ago that took this idea of instead of change in your behavior, change your environment. And my team, I had 200 employees in my company. and they were experts at working with cities to choose in policies that favored the pedestrian over the motorist, favored healthy food over junk food and junk food marketing. So we changed ordinances so it was easier to put up a farmer's market than to put on and construct another fast food restaurant. Ordinances that prohibited junk food outlets and food trucks within 1,000 feet of school, So you're not tempting kids to run out of the cafeteria and get the, you know, Pop-Tart burrito.

And then to favor the non-smoker over the smoker. And then a second team in each of these cities offer Blue Zone certification to schools, restaurants, grocery stores, workplaces, and churches. And it took us five years, but we could usually get 50% of all those places Blue Zone certified. So in those places, they optimize their policies and their designs. people move naturally more and healthy food was favored over junk food. And then the third team worked with about 15% of the population to become Blue Zones ambassadors so that they would optimize their homes along the lines I started to tell you about kitchen.

But even a more important part of that is curating their immediate social circle. It turns out that our friends have enormous impact over what we eat. how much we move, and our mood. So surrounding yourself with people who are eating plant base, whose idea of recreation is playing pickleball or walking or surfing, and people who aren't negative, that has a measurable, long-term impact on our mood, our behavior, our happiness, and our health behaviors.

So we help engineer, help people curate those social circles. And in every case, it would take us five years, And today we have 71 cities. You can Google me right now. If you go to Dan Boutner, Fort Worth, there's an NBC Nightly News piece. We lowered the obesity rate of the entire city of Fort Worth, Texas, by 6%. Took us five years. But Gallup estimates we save them a quarter of a billion dollars a year in health care costs.

And my company would just get a percentage to that savings. and so here instead of the usual health care system where you know we wait for people to get sick and then give them a prescription for a drug or put them in a hospital or send them to a doctor we figured out a business model to get paid for keeping Americans healthy in the first place so their quality of life is better you know it's interesting though it's like this nat geo article that you wrote is still probably the most you know red article right i mean the things however long ago you wrote that right and the new york times piece it just sort of shows that there is an appetite for it it doesn't necessarily mean that people are going to follow it but people but there is a

real appetite no pun intended for better a better way of living to sort of find your so to find your longevity you know what i mean it's just it's just it's it can be very very difficult you know as far as resources go, even to sort of start something like this? Yes, it is. But the cost of doing nothing is so high. You know, about 680,000 Americans will die prematurely this year for meeting the standard American diet. And to put that in perspective, in the last decade we've lost more Americans to the

standard American diet than we've lost to all wars combined since World War I. So, you know, where, I mean, we can, in my opinion, we should be spending a much bigger chunk of our budget on getting, keeping people healthy. A thousand percent. Yeah. I think if you just keep it simple. The hard part is for people, I think, to understand what the steps is to take. I always find when people are asking and you kind of deliver the, you know, more of a plant-based diet and having more social interaction. and living in places where you can walk all the time.

It feels daunting for people to try to take those steps, right? But we also know that the second you just start doing little bits, that you become more and more, you start to become lighter on your feet, you feel better, you start shedding away pounds that aren't about vanity, that actually are about, you know, you're, you know, you start to literally, your mental capacity starts to clear. you start to become less down, less depressed,

and then you start getting more and more and more into it. You know, it's the baby steps that I think are the hardest part for people in America because they're so used to, one, thinking that fast food is the more inexpensive way to live. They feel like they don't have the time to prepare for their week, for food, for their family, and it takes effort. but isn't that the truth though i mean isn't fast food cheaper and it is harder to sort of take the time to prepare the good stuff i'll let dan i would argue no yeah i'll tell you why um you know i just finished this big media tour with the blue zones american kitchen which i actually am kind

of still on that's a hundred recipes to live to a hundred the vast majority of those cost less than two dollars a serving you can assemble them in 15 to 20 minutes in an instapot. So when you think about the time it takes you to get in your car, drive to Burger Canyon, wherever you eat your fast food restaurant, get in line, wait, order that food, and then drive back. It actually takes you less time to assemble it. So I can give you 20 meals that you can assemble in 20 minutes in your own home with an

instant pot under $2 a serving. And I argue the very best investment you can make in your family's health is to give you. your hands on a whole food plant-based cookbook it can be blue zones or there's lots of other ones page through it until you find a dozen restaurants recipes that you think that your family would like and make them together i can i know your family cooks and so forth together but once you find a handful that you actually like my job is over you're you'll gravitate and and these recipes taste way better than a burger and you feel a lot better 15 minutes later, which if you pay attention to that, you know, it sells it on itself and it's completely affordable with, you know,

the, remember, people in blue zones, they're not unlike us. They don't have a ton of time. They like to eat delicious food. And by the way, they were poor. They ate peasant foods, but they know how to combine them to make them taste delicious. Now, what about, what about just the genetics behind sort of what your body can, you know, break down, you know, as far as some of these food groups go. For instance, like my wife, she can't eat quinoa or she can't eat certain grains because it really messes with her stomach. You know, I mean, how do you take that into account when you were saying, when we were saying like this is the way and this is the diet if, in fact, some of these foods disagree with your makeup? I have something to say about that, which is

It's probably, honestly, the fact that she can't break down Kewa has something to do with her gut and it being a leaky gut. I think she needs to re kind of structure her microbiome so that her gut and her can actually digest those things. I don't think that's a function of her genetics. It's a function of her... There's also food allergies and, you know. Right, right. Well, I guess. Dan.

It is a chicken and egg nundrum, and I'll tell you why. Our microbiome, the 100 trillion or so bacteria in our gut, by the way, it's our biggest organ. It weighs between 6 and 8 pounds. It's way bigger than anything else. And that is the machinery that allows us to digest plant-based food. And it relies on fiber. If you feed your gut fiber, it will produce something called short-chain fatty acids, which wants into your bloodstream, lower inflammation. fine-tune your immune system, and actually sort of text your brain to release feel-good hormones,

incredibly powerful. Standard American diet is almost completely devoid of fiber. Only about 20% of Americans don't get enough fiber. So what happens, and here's where the chicken and any conundrum comes in, if you're not feeding your gut fiber, the bacteria that thrives on fiber, they start turning to the mucous membrane on the inside of your intestines and thin the walls between your, you know, your waist and your bloodstream. So that's how, in many cases, leaky bowel syndrome comes to, comes into play because people

aren't eating enough fiber. You can't just all of a sudden plunge a bunch of fiber down that tube, say in the way of quinoa. You have to build back up to it. And then the bacteria that is used to, a. consuming fiber starts to regenerate itself, and then the machinery is now ready for a high fiber diet. And it only takes a week or two, but you can't start big. You have to start small, a couple tablespoons, and then work your way up to a cup of quinoa or a cup of beans.

Yeah, our bodies are really amazing how they can heal themselves if we give them the time. And the microbiome is a whole other podcast that is like, you know, I, I know this doctor, he's out of Stanford, research, one of the top sort of microbiome researchers. And Larry, and he, he, I loved what he said. He goes, I go, what is the microbiome? And he's like, it's 10,000 galaxies. There's so much to our microbiome and understanding it.

And they're only like scratching the surface, really, of it right now. But what we do know is that that is, like, key to any inflammation in our system and how we break anything down that's coming, that we're, and that we can actually, you know, kind of re, not, we can't restructure, we can't put the, we can't restructure our microbiome, you know, but we can support it. And, and so we, so in order to be able to do that, there's all these things that you can do. And I think that's part of what goes on with a lot of people who have a hard time following strict diets, because you kind of have to, you have to take the effort to do something really drastic that feels drastic. But actually

when you're doing it, it's not that hard, but like, it feels, it's just habits, isn't it? Like, these habits that we have to, like, do you believe in diets, like, to all these different diets, or is this all just kind of bullshit, you know, like, my friend's on the keto and he lost like a billion pounds, and I feel amazing and I can eat all these fats, you know, like, where do you land on all these diets? I did a fairly deep dive for this for National Geographic, and neither me nor my team of researchers could find any diet that worked for more than 2% of the population after years.

So they appear to be very successful in the short run. Like, sure, if you eat a keto diet, which is essentially high fat, high protein, no carbohydrates, you will lose weight, but your body goes into something called ketosis, which is very hard on your liver and your kidneys. And I'll guarantee if you start the 100 people on a keto diet today, you'll have a about one left in two years. So the important thing to realize when it comes to longevity, that unless it's something you're going to do for decades,

don't waste your time because it's not going to have any impact on how long you live 40 years down the road. That's why we look for things that are going to exert influence for years or decades, because that's what works. D diets are good. You know, if you need to squeeze into a dress, which I'm guessing you don't have to do very often, over, but for our party.

Every Halloween, you know, every Halloween and Saturday night. That's for another podcast. But, yes, they work for that. If, you know, you need to drop 10 pounds to get no dress, but it's not a long-term strategy. It never has been. Probably never will be. And what about intermittent fasting? It works.

If you could stick with it. Again, it's another thing that it's, it's, it's. It's the big, right now it's the number one diet in the country, but check back in three years. I'll bet there'll be something that displaces it. But intermittent fasting is a responsible way. I actually, at the beginning of the year, I went on a six-day, no food fast, water only, which I think is one of the, you know, if you're healthy, ideally under the supervision of the doctors, absolutely the best thing you can do to lose weight, reboot your immune system

in many cases are reverse autoimmune diseases and you know it's something humans have been doing throughout history. Not by choice but in every blue zone they went through periods of famine and epigenetically I believe

they benefited from it. Six days with just water. Just water. Wow. I mean clearly didn't you have to like not do much you had to just where you you didn't exercise much and just kind of chilled out right i went to uh yeah to wahaka to a bipasana 10 day silent meditation and uh i spent this first six days dene i just meditated for 11 hours a day oh amazing it's the absolute best way to start a year you know it sounds like a big waste of time but

no better way to defragment the uh you know mental hard drive and get clarity for the future in concentration. And, you know, before I did it, I was bald and weighed 300 pounds. And now it looked at me. I was just kidding. So when was the last time you were drunk, like hammered? I drink. But I don't.

Hammered is not a good investment for me anymore. But probably. So you haven't been wasted in a long time. Like, ooh, I'm drunk. Probably three years or something. But, you know, I had two beers last night. I mean, you know, I like red wine. I like the occasional tequila or two, but, you know, believe I'm over 30.

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my, it was my dad there, walk. My dad come, all my Blue Zone kitchen books. Dad, come here for a second. My dad was born on a farm. And I make him come with me on all these, the Blue Zone cookbook. And he tastes every recipe. And if he did, he just ditch me. If he gives it a thumbs down, it doesn't go into the cookbook. If he gives it a thumbs up, you know, we know middle of America will like it. But my dad used to take us into the boundary waters, canoe area, for two weeks at a time. And we paddled in and portaged and we lived in the wilderness. You know, when other kids were going to Disney World, we were in the middle of the hinterland and the border of Canada.

And then when I graduated from the university at time when most people are doing it, useful and productive things. I set a world record for biking from Alaska to Argentina, a second world record for biking around the world, and a third world record for biking across Africa, which included the Sahara Desert and then across the Congo. And we did that unsupported. That's insane. Unsupported.

Yeah, just four guys and a bike and a bunch of unions. Wow. Did you document this? Yeah. In fact, I have one document. that won a local Emmy Award called Africa Trek. But this was before, you know, there was good documentation and, you know, it was mostly just a set of world record and moments. I mean, some of those hardship, hardship moments must have been gnarly.

I mean, I can't imagine some of the things that you went through to where you said, I can't. I got to throw the towel in, but just kept persevering in elements like that. Malaria, dysentery, intestinal worms. Epititis, yeah, I'm a walking scientist. You're just one of those guys. I know those guys. Dan, when, what, I mean, did you always know you wanted to be an explorer? Was that always like when you were a little kid?

Was that, is that where that happened? Was it in the wilderness where you were like, this is who, this is what I always want to do is explore? I wanted to be a fireman when I was a kid. And then I got involved in business. I almost went to law school. I got into a bunch of law schools, but then I had some psilocybin mushrooms may or may not have accidentally fallen into my mouth. And I had this very clear epiphany at 24 that I wasn't going to go into the law school. And I went and lived in Europe.

I raised bikes in Europe in my early 20s. There's dad. There's dad. he's coming back through the frame. Come here for a second. So, yeah. So I don't say hi. So my dad comes with me on all the expeditions.

Hi. So he's visiting me from Minnesota. And they came down for a week to experience some Miami. But my dad had a root cellar. He grew up on a farm without toilets, without electricity, they used to crank a radio. Oh, my God. His Christmas gift

was like an orange. And one year, he worked all summer long in a field to earn a nickel to buy a cracker jack so he could get the toy and it didn't have a toy in there. What did you do, Raj? Well, Tully, so

50 years later, I sent a complaint to Cracker Jacks. He sent me a case of Cracker Jacks. That is amazing. Oh, my God. It's so nice to meet you. We love your son. I, uh, and, and, and I was just getting into like why Dan isn't, why he wanted to be an explorer.

But then he was explaining how you, you guys lived in the wilderness. And it sounds, it sounds kind of idyllic, actually. Actually, actually, he, he was wondering what he could do was grumbling because he was bored and his mother said, go outside and ride your bike. Yeah. And then he took it to Africa. And we had our research in Hawaii. That's great.

I want to be your dad. Oh, it's so nice to meet you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. You guys have a good day. You too. Oh, my God. He's going out to the beach now.

I mean, no wonder where you get this. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm very lucky. You're so lucky. Wait, I want to go back, though. Hold on. I want to go back to the mushroom trip. That was verified, by the way.

And it was just here. But, you know, aside from that, how do you feel about sort of the psilocybin experience that is sort of sweeping the world right now and what sort of psychedelics might do to one's brain? Obviously, you know, allegedly, it had an impact on a direction that you were going to go, allegedly. Yeah, I, well, yeah, I think it used as medicine. It's been around, you know, I like to look at what humans have been doing for most of, you know, the human experience. And a shaman in Mexico and Central America and the Amazon, they've been using plant medicines as medicine, not as a recreation, drop shrooms and go on party, but it's a diagnosed disease. We've been with Shaman as they did that. I do believe, and I do believe episodically,

it does increase brain activity and capacity, sort of like becoming a supercomputer for a while. You know, your neural activity goes up exponentially. I do believe in that window, you have an opportunity to have a realizations about yourself and your life that you don't have when you're just, programmatically going through life. But that said, I would say if you really want an epiphany about yourself and clarity,

it's much better to do, say, a 10-day silent meditation. I recommend Bipashina because it's structured and there's no, they don't try to convert you and there's no religious trappings to it. It's just pure. and you also, you know, most people, and this has been cataloged or confirmed that our attention spans have dropped by about 75% since the advent of the handheld phoned. It's only going to get worse. Yeah, and, you know, there's a very famous article done in the Journal of Science, which is one

of the top science journal. The lead author was a Harvard guy named Dan Gilbert that shows that a wandering mind is an unhappy mind. So the beauty of a 10-day silent meditation is you not only have the time for your subconscious to collate things and for you to get clarity, but also you emerge with great concentration and attention span that you can maintain. That's something that's something, you know, psilocybin won't do for you or LSD won't do. I find that, you know, I, like, project myself into a 10-day silent meditation thing where I just feel like three of those days, I'll just cry. Oh, my God. I can't even imagine, like, it must be such a release because, you know, sometimes when you're, especially me, my brain, you know, I'm so ruled by my head.

And I, and for me to like actually let go of that, of the, of it, the, the wandering or the constantly thinking about things or I would just need to cry. And I would think that a lot of people do that. They tell you, day three and day eight, you're going to cry. And I'm like, bullshit. I'm not going to cry. Sure not. Falling.

You push things down. You don't even realize the things you push down. And then it might be day three or day eight, all of a sudden it comes up and you see it again and you can't run from it. You can't, you know, dive into your phone or get busy. It's just you. And that's when you work things out. I mean, there's incredible amount of wisdom in your body that we just don't pay attention to that 10 days of silence will go out. wow amazing um let's talk about we've talked about sort of food in the blue zone you know what i mean

but but obviously longevity has a lot to do with stresses and what happiness means to you and how you wake up and live your life you know just from minute to minute hour to hour and and and what stress can actually do stress seems like the number one killer honestly um and we all have we all have you know and how does that play out within the blue zones as far as just that waking up every day and having a purpose and uh living living happy didn't you do blue zones on happiness yeah yeah i wrote a cover story for geographic on happiness and i have a book called the blue zones of happiness and indeed if you can people who are in the top quintile or the top 20 percent of happiness live about six years longer than people who are the bottom so if you can manage your life

life to be happy, you're quite right. So then you start asking yourself, okay, Oliver, you bring up a good point, stress. I would not say it's number one. I'd say it's the number two. I think our diet is the number one killer right now. But I agree with you stress. So then you start to say, well, how do I reduce stress? Okay. Dependable ways to reduce stress are sleep eight hours. Take a nap. Actually lowers cortisol levels. Owning a dog. Every time you pet a dog, your cortisol levels go down. Social interaction. So you start asking yourself, well, how do I get more of that in? And it's proactively surrounding yourself with people who you like. There's a lot of existential stress in America of people waking up and not knowing what they're going to do with their lives, not knowing

what I love to do, what my passions are, and what my responsibilities are to my, to my community. So taking the time to get clear on those three things and make sure if it's not your job, there's a volunteer outlet for the very dependable way to reduce stress. Even if you're going and walking dogs at the Humane Society or feeding people at homeless kitchens, that works. Takes effort, big payoff on lowering stress. People who garden bikes, for example. You know, it's a little hard in L.A. But most of America, where we're right around the corner is spring, planning a garden. Cortisol levels have been measured. A garden is a nudge. You get out there every day to plant or weed or harvest or water. That lowers cortisol levels and stress. So once again,

it has to do with setting up your life so you kind of unconsciously are napping. You have a dog, so you're petting a dog. You have a garden, so I've got to go. weed. You've cultivated a great sense of friendships, belonging to a faith. These are all things that work. They're episodic. They're long-lasting. And they work. Mm-hmm. It's interesting. How do you feel like you... Because happiness is personal, I guess. Oliver, from what Dan just said, how I want to know from like one to ten, how hard you're judging yourself right now. I'm not. I just think this whole idea that they say money doesn't buy you happiness.

Bullshit. I just back up the Brinks truck and I'm going to be happy. I'm a happy guy. Finances for me is the biggest stressor in my life. I've got an amazing wife. I've got amazing kids. I feel like I'm a talented person. I work.

I'm this. I'm this. But money, putting the kids through school. You know, living. year to year not you know paycheck to paycheck in a way even though i do make a good living if i won that one point three billion dollar lottery it would take a lot of stress out of my life you know what i mean um but other than that what res what resonated with me sorry is is is the give back i worked at to uh i i was volunteering at the children's hospital many years ago and um it was

just an amazing experience for me and it's it makes you sort of step way outside of your head and it's no longer about you anymore and that's something that in my new year's resolutions was something that i needed to get back to anyway the thing about money um what you need money for what you need money and it has statistically speaking a big influence on your happiness for food, shelter, health care, education, mobility, if you don't like where you're living to move, education. But then at about $150,000 a year, and granted, this is a U.S. average.

Well, it's actually not even a U.S. average. That's the cover of New York and L.A. average. Maybe where you guys live in L.A. is a little bit more. But after that, incremental dollar does not bring incremental happiness. In other words, there's a flattening of the curve. And in fact, billionaires tend to be less happy than millionaires. And, you know, perhaps the explanation of that is to become a billionaire. You often have to have done unsavory things to get where you want.

But you also have more stuff in your life to worry about. You have often a big, you know, investments you're worrying about. You have more things to take care of. You tend to have a partner in life who's more demanding. And there is plenty of evidence to show that after a while, you know, let's just say $200,000 a year, I don't know what you make, but if you're, if you're living in Iowa right now listening to this, it's more like $75,000 a year. After you make that amount of money, you're much better off shifting your focus to other things, statistically speaking, for happiness. And those things are the most important thing for happiness are your social connections, having friends who you can count on on a bad day with whom you can have meaningful conversations

who exert a healthy influence on your behaviors. That is the number one thing you can do for happiness. The number two, statistically speaking, is your health. You can be a billionaire, but if you're overweight and diabetic, forget it. you're better off being broken and fit. And then I would say the third most important thing that's going to influence your happiness, and this is disruptive,

but it's where you live. Yeah, huge. You take unhappy people in places like Moldavia and Southeast Asia and Africa, and you bring them to Denmark or Canada. There's big data behind this. Within one year, their sex doesn't change,

their age doesn't. doesn't change much, their marital state, their religion, almost nothing changes except where they live and may start reporting the happiness level of their adoptive home, which often represents a doubling of happiness. There's nothing you can do to double your happiness that I know of other than moving. Oh, huge. God, that's so big, especially for me personally. My home is extremely important to me, and I love where I live. I'm sort of over L.A., but you get me into the mountains. Where are you over if you don't mind? What? I'm in Brentwood. Okay.

I've been living in LA, yeah. But you get me into the mountains or somewhere in nature, and I'm like, holy shit, like, this is it. Nothing else matters anymore, you know? And as far as money goes for me, I am exactly what you said. I don't need to have yachts and planes. Yeah, it would be nice. For me, it's more about that threshold. It's what you're talking about.

It's being able to every year just be comfortable and know that it's all paid for. And as an actor, someone in the arts and this. in the arts in this business it's feast or famine you know so you're making a ton of money and you created a lifestyle for yourself then that job is gone now you have to maintain the lifestyle that you have created when you were at your highest and so that's where the stressors come in for me but as far as what you're talking about is where you dwell that resonates with me big time because you can feel i can feel an actual physical shift in my being when I am in a place, especially Colorado, that just, you know,

it just changes my cells, it feels like, you know. The statistically happiest place in California is San Luis Obispo. Mm-hmm. People there report a higher level of happiness than anywhere else in California. I think Stockton's the worst. But we, was in San Luis Obispo where we had Paws 70th? Yeah, yeah, that was it, yeah. And that's where Josh Algrove lives.

So I don't know. He might be lowering that curve. That's a friend of ours. That's a friend of ours. We're just deeply funny. But Slow is amazing. I mean, it is beautiful there. It's awesome.

Yeah. I felt that way, too, and we were driving up there. Sometimes I remember, Danny and I took a hike when he proposed to me. And literally, as he was. was trying to get the ring behind me, I was saying to him as I was looking at the ocean, why don't we live on the ocean? Like, why don't we? I had this whole thing of like, I mean, we kind of do live on the ocean, but like, why am I, why do we not live where we want to live? Like, where we really want to live. And then I turned around and my focus changed.

But, but, yeah, but the thing is, like, there are factors, you know, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, don't want to make this all about myself, but I'm talking about myself. My kids, you know, they love L.A. They want to be in L.A. They don't want to move anywhere, you know, and I have to respect that. You know, I know they have their friends and they have their life and they're happy. I don't want to pull them out of that. You know what I mean?

So it's just a timing situation. I will get out of L.A. at some point. Yeah. Well. Sacrifice. Yeah. Sometimes you make your kids do things that they don't want to do and counterintuitively, they're thankful for it at the end.

Yes. Yeah. I also think, too, you know, there's also great comfort for me. I realize that I don't really like being in one place all the time either. You know, I like to travel. I like to see the world. I like to be in different places and like, you know, and this idea that like there's one place for me to be, you know, I kind of, I kind of find that I find more happiness

when I get rid of that construct. Yeah. you know, that if you do have, again, the means to be able to do that, then that might be what makes you happier than just having one home, you know, one place, one abode that you, you know, like we all have different lifestyles. Yeah, it's so true. It's like, but you're talking about sort of economic status definitely changes what your ability is to, you know, have these experiences. But I also think there's another thing. like I think if I didn't even if I didn't have the economic status that I do that I'd still figure out a way to get to the places that I want to be that I'd get on like the cheap

fairy ticket to get somewhere and go stay in a friend's yeah you know couch like I still feel like there's a mentality like everyone has their own thing that makes them happy some people are more searchers and like to explore more and some people like to feel more grounded and are more rooted in their domesticity. And, you know, I think what brings you, you know, what can bring happiness is, is really like, you know, and Dan, you said it, it's creating the environment that, that it's, it's, it's the environment you choose to, to, to be in. The whole point behind the blue zone, uh, the blue zones of happiness, it turns out what most people think brings happiness is misguided or just plain wrong. And the approach we took

was not anecdotal. There are these vast databases, the Gallup World Poll, the Eurobarometer, the Latino barometers. And you combine them together and it represents about 95% of the human population, tens of millions of data points. And through this sort of mathematical overture called regression analysis. These surveys ask people two different ways how happy they are. So how they assess their life as a whole and how they've been feeling lately. So they get a number for that. And then they ask 75 other questions about your values, what you do with your life,

how much money you make, your religiosity, your marital standard, your age. And through this regression analysis or through correlation, they can find out exactly what characteristics travel with people who say they're happy and what are the characteristics that travel with people who say they're not unhappy and very clear in situations emerge. So, for example, we know that having children has a very positive impact on how you evaluate your life, something called life satisfaction. but it has a negative impact on how you experience your life. Your happiness actually goes down having children.

So it's a two-edged sword. You know, we tend to think we're going to be happier in our 20s and 30s. And actually age is what's called a U-shaped curve. We are pretty happy in our 20s and 30s. The worst years are when we're our 40s and 50s. But then happiness increases again and it continues to rise into your hundreds as long as you keep your health. So actually getting older, you get happier.

The sweet spot, as I mentioned before, for income is about 150 grand a year if you live on the coast. About 90 grand a year, if you live inside. Married people or people want to commit a relationship are happier than single people. Across the board, healthy people are happier than non-healthy people. Religious people tend to be slightly happier You're the non-religious people.

So when you see the data, it gives you a really good. It's a little bit like Vegas. It tells you how to add aces and jokers to your hand if you're playing blackjack. It's not a guarantee, but you can see the things that over time are likely to produce greater happiness. What is what makes you happy? Like, where are you in your sweet spot? I'm very clear. So it's no coincidence that I have.

By the way, if you live on the water and you control for all other variables, you're about 10% happier. So your gut was right, Kate. I mean, people live on the water, whether it's the river or lake or a notion. So, oh, you know, I have three places. They're all on the water. One's on the ocean. One's on it in two of them are lakes.

People who live in walkable communities across the board are happier than people who live. in rural areas or suburbs. So I live in very walkable areas. I'm very intentional about the people I surround myself with I'm very, when I find somebody who's a good soul who makes me happy and who's healthy, I proactively bring them into my circle. And likewise, I've triaged a number of people in the last decade. And, you know, I don't dump them, but they just don't hear for me as much. If they need help, I'm there to help. So I prioritize my social. There's a not a day that goes by where I don't do something physical, because I know health is so important. You know, I do something every day, but something I like. I'm on a current quest for a partner.

I wish I had, you know, I wish I had a partner, but I don't right now. And I know that would stack the deck in favor of happiness. And, you know, I have some ideas, Dan. We'll talk about this another time. We'll talk about. Well, I was going to ask the. I was going to ask the other other side of that question, which is like, where do you think you could be better? You know what I mean? Because we're all sort of striving to be better as humans. You know, where do you think you can be better?

I could volunteer more, quite honestly. And I could be, you know, I have the same gene. You do, Kate, and that's sorry, nomadic, you know, I often want to be elsewhere. And I'm always elsewhere. So I would say actually, if I could stay put a little bit more, I think I'd be a little bit better off. I love this.

Okay. Yes. This is amazing for anyone listening, and I love hearing what brings you happiness. But I think for anyone listening that finds these things really challenging for them and feels daunted by the process of changing their lifestyle, what would be the top three things that you'd say to start doing that are simple and easy. that could get them on a good path to being healthier more and have better longevity? Number one, beyond a shadow of a doubt, start with the blank screen or a blank piece of paper and write down the names of the five closest people to you. Number one, if you don't have five closest people, that's your number one focus is to make friends

with somebody. And then if your friends, you know, smoke or drink too much or sit around and, you know, eat chips and watch TV for fun, then I would say, start thinking about curating, proactively adding healthy, happy people to your media social service. I know that's a completely different way to think about

it, but there is a mound of research that shows friends number one have a measurable impact on our happiness and our health and number two, friends are long-term adventures. We tend to have, I've been friends with your mom for a decade for a

So we're still, number two, I would, if you don't have a dog, get a dog, easy. Dogs need to be walked every day. Therefore, guess who else gets walked every day? The human. Walking gets you 90% of training for a marathon. If you can get out 45 minutes a day, man, you're ahead of 80% of Americans. It sounds super easy. And then get a plant-based cookbook and pick.

a dozen recipes and cook them over the next one and find a handful you'll like um you're never going to move towards a healthier diet list a you know how to cook it two you know you like it and three uh your family it's gonna like it too so cook it with your family that you know i know these aren't things you're other places but but i know they work all right dan i always love talking to you I'm so happy you got, Ollie got a chance to meet you. I know. Are you inspired,

Ollie? How inspired do you feel right now? Yeah. I mean, are you moving? You're moving back to Aspen. The plant. Yeah.

Well, I mean, look, I do a lot. The only thing I do, I drink too much and I smoke cigarettes. You know what I mean?

Like, I need to stop doing that. I move my body every day. I mean, whether I'm on my mountain bike or even walking or whatever. Like, I am physical.

I was just skiing for three days. You know, physical um and then it's about finding a practice it's it's not for me religion is a funny thing but more of a faith and spirituality um is something that i definitely need to do and then being more charitable you know i mean these are things that are definitely coming up and it's 100% inspiring it gives you motivation in this moment to say okay it's time to get better um and and and of course i mean without a doubt i love it i feel inspired yeah i'm gonna like go i'm going to like go i'm I'm going to go, Namuel Horankekekeke for 30 minutes.

But I also feel like there is something about the church of it all, like finding that community, you know, it doesn't have to be a certain, you know, but whatever that community is of people that, even if it's like sound bowls, like people like loving to do, you know, gathering and doing sound bowl meditations and, like that, you know, that's, that can be your church, you know. Yeah, no. but it's also so specific like you know we have friends like an angine arland who are dedicating their lives to sort of health and and biohacking and all of that and they're clean and they don't do anything that is fun to me i love the indulgences of life you know what i mean i love to drink and i love cigarettes it's fun and i love my weed and traveling and eat indulgent crazy food and like to me that is happiness there's there's a part of it. You know what I mean? So I could never live the lifestyle that they live.

I'd end up like losing my mind. You know, so. Wait, wait a minute. In blue zones, they party. They drink every day. They have indulgent food. It just doesn't happen to be, you know, bone marrow and pork belly. Right. And by the way, here's something encouraging, well, I hate to tell you, smokers are less happy than non-smokers. So in the long run, the curving the smoking habit, I'd say, Oliver would be a good idea. But people... I'm going to, yeah. And we did a survey as it's in the New York Times piece I wrote called the Iowa

where people forget to die. We found that about 80% of the 90-year-olds who are still having sex every day, by the way, or twice a week, they used to smoke and they quit smoking and they still were able to live a long life. But they quit smoking. So that's one thing. I'd love to see you go into the growl. I have to say, I have to say this because I loved just, I used to love to smoke.

And quitting smoking completely changed my life. And I could pinpoint what it was. It took me away from the people that I loved. I'd walk away. I became all I wanted to do is be alone. And so the things that I would normally do, cooking, crafting, the things that I really love to do, I wasn't doing because I was hiding from my family. And it actually made me unhappy. And when I quit smoking and then was able to get past the

like hard part of quitting smoking, I realize everything become more abundant. You do more. You're more active. Not just active like physical. I could like I could run like five miles and just smoke a cigarette. I was one of those. But I, but I, but I still, it's more about the things that I am focusing on, period. You know? Yeah, you just feel better. You wake up just feeling better. But, but, but hold on, real quick, then we're going to go because I forgot to talk about sex. Because sex is massive. Like, I just feel like that is such a huge part of my life, too. I'm a very sexually active, insane, crazy person. Gross. But like, you know, yeah, you're, you're much grocer. Well, if you're over 50 and you're having sex at least twice a week,

you about half the rate of mortality of your friends who are not getting it. So it's, I don't know if it's psychosomatic or if it's a selection bias, but having sex is definitely part of the longevity formula. And as I said, these, this one population we were able to follow until they're 95, most of them, over 80% of them were still having sex twice a week. Wow. That's amazing. Without any help. Yeah, with no Viagra.

I mean, they needed a shoehorn to get it in there. But like it's still. Oh, you eat a plant-based diet. You need a plant-based diet you don't need Viagra. It's people ain't the fatty, crappy diet, junk food, sugar, too much meat, eat cheese and eggs. Their operas get clogged. and so to keep blood vessels that, you know, sort of make it go up and down.

By the way, that is fascinating and real. Yeah. All right, Dan, we love you. All right, Dan, thank you so much. All right. Thank you. Bye, guys. Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson.

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