Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - The Top Dawes

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

Go behind the music with Los Angeles based folk rock band "Dawes."  Taylor and Griffin, the brothers behind the hits, take Kate & Oliver through their process. How they are so in-tune when they make music, and what happens when they do butt heads creatively! Plus, the iconic Laurel Canyon sound that inspires them, and what happened when they performed at The Grammys.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling reverie. That's good. Hey, broskey. What's up?

I love you. Tomorrow, tomorrow. I was singing that to Ronnie this morning And it was weird Because like it was like the first time I heard her actually listening to the lyrics of the song Because I was doing it really soft Like

You know When it comes to the day That's gray and lonely I just pick up my chin And grin And say And she was like The sun will come out tomorrow

And all of a sudden she was like, that is a beautiful song. I was like, oh, my God, you actually get it. Right, she listened. Yeah, it was so cute. And it weird that you just started singing that one. That's what we were doing this morning. See, I'm in tune. But, you know, my kids, I sang them raining blood from Slayer this morning.

You guys, as your son, who was it like rolling, what was it called rolling? Rolling loud. Rolling loud. God, he had the time of his life. I heard. Bing, Bing was like watching the live stream with like ASAP Rocky and Playboy Cardi and they're all just obsessed. Oh, he was, but he was, he came home like on fire. I mean, he was nuts.

He was crazy. I mean, I almost killed him because his phone died. Oh, no. Couldn't get a hold of anybody. all the moms were calling everybody and it was just like what the fuck are you doing man like come on

get it together I thought it was so weird that reminds me of like when I was a teenager like mom wouldn't let me go see the black crows with you but she let me go to the Grateful Dead concert where like everyone was high

I think I ran into my English teacher at the Grateful Dead concert I was walking down, like I was walk, I forget where we were. From up in the, you know, top of the arena comes running down our, you know, English teacher. She's like, Kate, Dejani, and she was tripping her head off. Oh, my God. That's our school. I will never forget it.

That makes sense. The 90s school, the school we went to. Yeah. It's not like that anymore. No. Listen, I'm excited with our next guest, Oliver Hathan. That's me. Because Daws, well, first of all, they've been through a lot in this last, you know, months with the fires and everything.

They are, no, the Fujikawa's, they're all around the same age. When they were coming up with their band Daws, Danny and my partner and Michael's band was kind of coming up. So they all kind of knew each other. And I don't really know them. I don't know them either. And then, you know, one's married to Mandy Moore, who we interviewed. Uh-huh. They just had a baby.

But they made great music. Number three. They did. Taylor, but anybody. Well, no, they're more like Crosby, Stills, Nash. And they're like kind of folkish, but rock folk. Yeah. And they're great.

Like, anybody who is listening should just check them out because they really are like a They made it, and Danny and Mike didn't. Let's talk to them about it anyway. Hi. Hi. How are you going? What's up, Roy? You guys, we were just introing you.

Oh, cool. And I was sort of talking about how when Danny. How chief didn't make it and you guys did. Cheap. The Fuji Kawas, how I've always heard about you guys through Michael. and Danny and that you guys all sort of came up

at the same time and Danny and Ollie was like so they made it and and the Fugis didn't they made it in their own ways I mean it's you know

they're still playing music and I don't know yeah they were doing really well that was like back in the day where I would go see bands I liked because life was so different then

but I would like every they were playing it's like oh we got to go see the next year. I can still sing so many of their tunes. Oh, really? Yeah. We were so happy.

We were in the desert and watching the Grammys. And when you guys open the Grammys, there was a lot of, like, like, joy coming from the Fujikawa's. Pretty rad. How was that for you? How did that come about? Yeah, what happened? It came about, like, 10 days before. It was, like, so crazy last minute.

obviously because they were pivoting and changing the nature of the whole show but yeah I mean you know we've never been nominated we've never been to the Grammys it's just like we and we're also like 15 year or more than that and nine records in to being a band so we thought if there was ever going to be a time for that it's

that's long gone so for this to come about last minute like we'd like you not only to play but to open it's so surreal and then and then we got to put together that amazing band I mean it was it was an extremely emotional week for a few weeks

but that was like that was a real intense high wow so you just got a call out of nowhere saying hey we want you guys represent our manager was like like I have a call with the the Grammys folks at 10 a.m. I'll call

you afterwards and we I think we kind of joked like yeah maybe they want us to play and he's like yeah I don't want to get our hopes up because you know they could have easily been like hey come play at this fundraiser or come put come add your name to some lists for i don't know um so when it when it yeah so he got the call first and then texted us at like 1040 a m and was like i need to speak to you both asaph

oh gosh so that were you nervous i always think like that would be i don't know if i get nervous anymore but like i think the oscars and the grammy's singing would make me insane Like, that would be it. Yeah. Like, I feel like if I was presenting or something that wasn't the thing I did every day, then maybe I'd be nervous. But, I mean, there's definitely like, there was nervousness around, you know, the spotlight, I guess.

But, but, I mean, I would imagine you all know how it is. Like, when you're, when some music starts, yeah, you're like, this is what I do. Yeah. Unless you start on a wrong note and then it can be disaster. That sounds super hard, so it gave us a lot to focus on. If it was really easy, maybe we would have been a little more easily distracted. But there were so many things to remember that we didn't really have the capacity to get too nervous. Although the run through that morning, I got really emotional because the kind of seat fillers that were there early to help run of show make sense.

They got emotional listening to the song and that made me emotional and kind of it all was hitting me. And I was thinking, like, I can't cry later on when we really do this thing. That would have been great television. Yeah, dude, you mean you can't cry. You would have sold at least half a million records. After the dress rehearsal, too, they had all like the cardboard cutouts with the names on it of who was sitting at the tables.

That was pretty eye-opening because I walked around and it's like, let me, it's just, like, Beyonce. Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally all of them. Like, Dr. Trays, five feet for me, you know. Yeah. It's crazy. Pretty wild.

Did you see like a bump on your streams and your downloads and all that after that? Yeah, I mean, it's interesting to see how it'll manifest. It's not, I mean, I'm not really sure, honestly, on streams and all that, but that's never been the biggest, like, indication for our band as to how well something's doing. I mean, obviously, to an extent it is for everyone, but I think what we're, it kind of remains to be seen because we haven't been on tour and that's always where we feel like something's translating and regaining traction or not um i mean there's been some like offers in for festivals just one-off things throughout the year that have come in post-grammys that and those offers can

they kind of feel like they reflect that moment and people are you know excited to kind of get us there so that's it's just hard to say there's there's definitely not for us a correlation between like played the song now we're getting a million streams a day like but that's never been right the trajectory for us it's always been one day it's like one fan at a time yeah and the music industry is just like so weird i i have to say like i like entering into it this last year i felt like i knew through the you know you know what adjacent right like i was music business adjacent and then actually being in it, it was like, God, it's so hard.

It's so expensive. Like, if you want a tour in any way that is really great and, like, has any production value, you make nothing. You're just running red. And it's, it's, it's a young person's game. I mean, I think when we were young, I was so naï of this back. Yeah, but like, you have to, yeah, you got to be able to do that work of like, I'm up at, you know, we're sleeping for four hours a night and we're driving eight hours

playing for 30 minutes, driving three hours, doing it again the next morning. Like, it's certainly not comfortable, but when you're 18 or 21 and all you're going to do is be on tour, it's like fantastic. It's just that I think I wasn't into that at 20. I'm just going to say, it wasn't really. I mean, I'm interested in your experience now that you're, you are like, you're, I know, I think almost everyone in your band, they're friends of mine. Oh, cool. Yeah, but how, like, it must be a trip to go to enter into the business now, like,

this far along in your life to, to start touring. Like, what is that experience? Is it what you thought it would be? Yes and no, you know, I, like, I love it. I love it. And, like, I wish I could do it more consistently. but it just cost too much money but I think it's like my favorite

it's where I'm happiest you know and even even in even in like small weird gigs that I've done that sounded terrible I still just love it I just love I love being with musicians and being together and getting weird and it's like as you get older you get as you get older you get more responsible so kate is obviously a mother of three and extremely responsible with her finances and everything else so it's like well what is the cost

benefit analysis here when you're 18 19 20 you're like who gives a fuck well that's a thing like let's go baby yeah we all we all our first tour we all quit our jobs we gave up our house we were all staying right we like we rolled out of our house to the road like we didn't know we were going to live when we got back to tour. But back then, you could afford those risks. But you're absolutely right. I mean, you get to a point where you're totally right. But that's also what's hard about it to me is that I just had a kid a few weeks ago.

And, you know, and I'm getting a taste of, thank you. It's been awesome. But I'm getting a taste of like, you know, you got to do in 20 minutes, what you previously had all day to do or whatever, four hours to do. So my time has become more valuable to me. And that's the thing that's tough on tour because there's, So, like, the music is, is so rewarding and awesome, but you're waiting around in, in fucking Iowa for, you know, the other 22 hours a day. And so that, that can be tough. Like, how do I rationalize, like, just, you know, not, you're not wasting it, but I'm gone.

And it's like, I literally can't do anything. But, well, I mean, how is that, how is that, how is that shifted, you know, sort of not just your perspective, but even physically, how you're touring now, especially. with you, Taylor. You got kids, man. Everyone's got kids. Yeah. It's funny how like when we started, it was like Griff said, like I remember there was a South by Southwest where I found a, like a little tiny square pillow so small, this little tiny pillow. And I, and then someone's linoleum

floor in their kitchen and I slept there. I don't even think I had a blanket. And I don't know whose house it was. And I'm not even out like a particularly like raging guy. But it's just, that was fine back then. And then we got up and played a bunch of shows and now with tour I can't have a sip of alcohol or it messes up my it drives me out

I can't talk I we're Griffin and I the first thing when we wake up were like hey tour manager have you found out if there's like a local gym or does the hotel have something and so like when you get home people were like so what was it like how was being in like Billings Montana it's like

well my experience was pretty limited to like a gym and the venue and I didn't talk or buy anything or do anything right they're like it was horrible they didn't not have a press juicerry. Yeah, it used to be like, where's the cocaine and now it's like vitamin C. Right. Exactly. Exactly. They have someone where they can get a push. Yeah. I get a vitamin push. I think it is a factor as to why we've been able to do it this whole time. I think like we had a lot of those friends. We had some of the band members, in fact, way back in the day,

who would really cut loose and we were down. There was never judgment. It was just that was not what we took to naturally. And so all these bands that we toured with that were partying really hard, like they're not all in the game necessarily anymore. And like chief. Like chief. Like my fiance.

But, yeah, so I feel like it's just how we were. If you got lucky, it wasn't a choice we were making. It's just how we, it's who we were. We used to be able to like kind of invest. you know, like go to Europe because it makes sense in the long term to invest time here in the hopes that we'll eventually have traction and open ourselves up to this bigger market. And nowadays, just because we've been around so long, the math changes, it just feels like, what are we investing in?

I mean, never get really there in a way that makes sense. So does it make sense for us to go again? And given that, we're going to be away from our families. And like I said, our time is just more valuable. So, yeah, I mean, things change in a lot of ways, I think. including the economics of it being so fickle, you know, industry-wide at large has made everyone's experience pretty strange and volatile. And it's everywhere.

Like from artists that you would never think, like, would have that issue, do have the issue, you know? The biggest artists in the world are having a hard time. One thing that I took solison, though, to your point, one thing that, like, I feel like was nice to hear and probably nice for all of us to hear. I was graping about the same thing to my dad who's currently living with us and he's 78

and I was like dad my industry because he was talking about my four year old who is like he's obsessed with keep on rocking in the free world and he just wants to sing all the time and my dad's like oh he's going to do it too and I was like I hope he does but also our business is atrophying

I don't know how it's possible and he's like we said the same thing in like the mid-60s well that's nice to hear I'm Jorge Ramos And I'm Paola Ramos Together we're launching The Moment A new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm going to get into your life and go back into your childhood a little bit. But first I want to ask this question. At what point does art become comrous? At what point does it become a business for you because it's like, oh shit, I have kids. I'm an adult. I need to support a family You know

This is no longer always just about You know Of course it's fun to be on stage But when does it become an actual survival A business of survival It just depends on everybody's Every artist has a different circumstance I mean

Yeah that's why I'm asking them I know you're fine I know you're gonna be fine No but it's a weird You can't You asked it like it was one There's one answer I mean it's obviously specific

to everyone. To me, it was like when I started owning things and, you know, kind of naively stepped into, I'm going to buy a house when I was a kid, essentially. And like, getting just essentially like gathering bills that I need to pay every month. And then there becomes to me this idea of like, oh, I have to say yes. Like, there's a bottom line. Same way everybody has a bottom line. But I think at some point, I learned that I had to delineate when, we were making art and not and that for me doesn't feel like a challenge generally certainly not in the studio where it's like okay now we're sitting down to make art and i'm not thinking about it in the terms of like how do we write some hit i think that's in a way the fact that we've never in that

band or never had that experience has been a blessing obviously to be on top of make millions of dollars quickly sounds great but the expectations that follow are so crippling to so many artists and the fact that we've never been in this situation of like how do we follow this up you know has yeah i don't know i guess maybe helped me to never have to think about art when i'm in it when i'm sitting in the chair in this way of how do we make this thing this commodity you know it's more like let's just do what we do because that it seems to be what at least in our case people are responding to you know you guys are l.a born and raised where where did you grow up Malibu high.

Yeah, what went to, it was like Canyon Country first, and then we went to Glendale. That's where I went to elementary school, and Griffin did some elementary school there. That's where I was born in. Yeah, Griff was born in Glendale. And then we went to Malibu for high school, and then once we both turned 18, like I was gone when I turned 18, pretty much. And then Griffin was gone when he turned 18. And then we've just been floating around ever since. I think there were times in our lives where we thought, like, are we going to have like a New York chapter or Nashville chapter?

maybe that'll still happen, but as the kids get older and like, as our, yeah, as the families get, as families get older on every generation, it's just like we feel like we, we're going to stay close. And so it's now, at this point, it feels hard to imagine not ever living in L.A. Did you go to Malibu, did you go to Malibu High for all of high school? Yeah. Yeah. What year, how old are you?

2003, I'm 39. So you went with our, was Zach? our brother, Zach Hudson wasn't he a month? Oh, you know, that sounds familiar. What year did you graduate? He's 38. So you would have been

He's about to be 39. He must have been the year. Was he in Blake Mills's grade with Blake? I think he was in the same grade as Blake. And Emily, he's a musician. Emily Hudson. Did Emily go to Malibu High? That sounds so familiar.

Emily was older. These are half siblings. These are our half siblings. Yeah. They all went to. Malibu they went to Malibu High but um interesting yeah I remember back because I went to crossroads and Malibu High I graduated 90 94 very fancy I got expelled I got expelled uh just so I would try to be not as fancies I was like I just too fancy I'm gonna get kicked out of here

but I remember Malibu hi dude I was friends with all the Malibu kids but it was like rough and tumble well it's funny fighting all the time fucking drugs someone would die every other week in Malibu like driving yeah well we be like respectively living on a freeway on PCH. It's funny because you family Malibu, you know, for good reason, people are like, oh, that's, it must be the nicest school ever. And it's like, yeah, I think in, you know, to my 15 year old brain, I'm not thinking about that.

But it's still plagued with all the problems any high school would be. A lot of the reason why we went was like, and I didn't know this until recently now that I'm talking about schools all the goddamn time. You're entering a whole fucking new world of insanity. Yeah. Our mom was like, we moved to Malibu because the amount that we were going to save just by you guys going to a public school because it was like a highly rated one versus what we felt like we needed to do in a different part of L.A., like which would have meant in private schools. She's like, we actually saved money by moving to Malibu, which not a lot of people would have thought. Yeah. Wait, you said you went to Canyon? Canyon Country before I was working. Where is that? It's like close to Magic Mountain.

Okay. So it's on the other side. Oh, okay, got it. What did your parents, what do your parents do? Our mom was a, like, vice president of a homeowner's insurance company. She was a, but a real badass. Like, started a company with six people and, like, stuck it out the whole time and really crushed it. And then our dad was a, and he would be the first person to say it, but he was just kind

of like a no good, like, musician that had all the talents. He was so, he was so good. Like, when our mom met him, he was, I remember asking him, because he was in a school bus with all of his bandmates and they had a thing if i remember correctly it was like a weekly gig in portland a weekly gig in sf and then like a weekly gig maybe seattle or somewhere else up in the pacific northwest and i was like what was your long-term plan dad you were like when you met you must have been like 36 like were you looking to make another record were you trying to start another band like what was going on three kids in that plan he was like taylor like i don't think you realize

like i was a piece of shit like i had no plans and your mom showed up and just was like you're going to get it together now and we're going to do this and and he's like she saved my life and um and so like he was still always a musician but uh he he got into other things as as the years went on and he was in real estate for a while but yeah it's like the stories i hear about who our dad was before we knew him versus the dad that we had raising us is just so hard to um yeah we have some older half siblings and our oldest brother is almost 50 and he's said to me like so he he he My dad, our dad had him when he was like 18. And I think once Jeff, our brother was 18, our dad was 36.

And so my brother Jeff has always said to us, like, you know, one day maybe when our parents are gone, I'm going to tell you some shit that's going to, like, blow your mind. Oh, real. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. We'll come to our part two with you guys.

doesn't that make you so curious like dude fuck just tell me now like it's all good it's already they've already told us they've already told us how hard they party so it's hard to imagine what else we have some stories I think him and Jeff were living together like above the pinks that's our brother in mid

city yeah and when Jeff was like 18 I heard that was 36 and I think that was when maybe there was some like crazy wild shit happening above pink you mean pink's talk like the talk hot dog hot dog Oh, my, oh, hot things.

Yeah, I mean, different times, like, our dad would tell stories like, yeah, I would, I really, I like knew I would eat cabbage every night. I would make cabbage soup because it was only a dollar. And I just, like, what was happening back in the fucking 70s? I mean, obviously, there's nature, nurture, there's DNA, but you guys are followed sort of in his path, I guess, right? I mean, was that, obviously, it's not a conscious choice, but. Yeah, you're definitely not doing insurance. Right. But there's some reference there, right?

Where it's like, oh, he thought of it. Yeah. You're actually, fun story. That's actually pretty, it's like a pretty cool tidbit, fun fact, is his band, or they were called Sweathog, and they toured, they opened. Sweathog. And the merch, supposedly, I'd ever seen the merch. I wish I could find a piece.

I've looked up, I would pay anything for it. Supposedly, it was a white t-shirt that just said Swedhog on the front and then yellow pit stains that were like printed into the, yeah. I like that merch. They opened for Sabbath every time they toured domestically from like their second record or their fourth record. But then I remember asking Cameron Crow this because in Almost Famous, there's a scene where that kid says like, oh, hey Frosty. And that was our dad's drummer. And that was a Black Sabbath show like fictitiously that Stillwater was opening for.

And I was so I remember asking Cameron like, did you know our dad's band Sweathog? He's like, yeah, that's why I wrote that in there. Oh, my God. How cool is that? Frosty was his best, best friend from when he was, when they grew up together and he was my first drum teacher, a small world. Oh, my God.

That's crazy. Pretty cool. Now, when did you know, like, was music just always, like you were just always playing music? Like, were you the kinds of kids were, like, they put you in music lessons? It was never like a choice. It was like, my mom told me today that I was like, because of where we were kind of marveling.

at like our kids just their memories for these songs and what the kind of songs are always asking for it and my mom said today was like you were the same way like when you were three we were listening to a song that I'd heard a thousand times and and you were in the back and all of a sudden you just say like mom there's no drums on this song and when I listen close it's like oh yeah he's right there's no drums and how would a three you all be hearing that so and then we our dad was singing harmonies with us and stuff so yeah well you know when all those little things you fill out as a five year old or four year old like what are you going to be when you grow up it It was like, I'm already a singer.

It's what I do. Yeah. I joke that like with Steely Dan, I like, I don't have, like, when people ask me my favorite band is I'm like I don't, it's Steely Dan, but I don't feel like I ever made a choice. It's, I feel like it's Epilovian that when, when, that music was played so much when we were kids that when it comes on, like, yep, it's the best thing ever. My six-year-old, her favorite, she loves dirty work. Oh, yeah.

And, like, when she asks for it. around people, they're like, whoa. And I'm like, I feel so proud. I'm like, yeah. My little baby, he's, whenever he gets bussy, you know, we're playing him different music to see how he responds. And maybe it's too early to say this, but every time we put the dead on, he's, like, chilling.

Well, when I was pregnant Ryder, I named him because we, Chris was covering, I know you, Ryder. He's right on. And every time he'd play it. my he'd go he Ryder was super laid back in my belly like he was

like I had to go to the doctor multiple times because I just thought something was wrong but every time Chris would play that he'd start to move and I made a joke like well I guess we'll call him Ryder and then I was like interesting

I have a weird kind of similar thing with we we're talking about at some point down the line up and a second kid and I this song I would sing we played a lot with Phil Lesh before he passed and the song I would sing is Cassidy and we've always liked that name yeah my chief of staff's goddaughter's name is Cassidy and her parents are like the biggest deadheads of all time it was about it was about like one of the text kids in the band right and one of the the grateful dead's text Yeah. I'm going to go back. Can I go back for a second?

Okay, did you say your chief of staff? Did you just say that? Yeah. You running through office? I don't understand what's going on. I have a chief of staff. I know, but since when are we calling this that? Because at some point we decided this year in 2025 that we would give real titles.

Chief of Staff? I need a chief. I don't know. Let's take that kind of like a manager. You need to just apply to politics. I know. I was like, what the fuck's going on? And she said it so nonchalant. She goes, yeah, it's crazy. My chief of staff, what?

We should just, from now on, we should start calling all of our tour managers our chief of staff. Yeah, I know. It's kind of great. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.

Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other. sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country.

This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the My Cultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then. And I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation. I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling. And there is help out there.

The Good Stuff podcast, Season 2, takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own mark to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission. I don't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission.

I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance, bro, tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards,

you may just recreate the same problem a year from now. When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so. expensive in these streets. I 100%

can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt when it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it and in fact it may get even worse. For more judgment-free money advice,

listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. The Super Secret Festi Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy cheesement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on

your ex. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here. Today, we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is the diva of the people. The deep of the people.

I'm just like, text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya.

In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreaks, men, and, of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Jenna Lopez. And in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey. of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time?

I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, the kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing.

Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcomper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, real quick, how Steely Dan, got the name. Is that a true story? Double-sided dildo from yeah. That's true. Yeah, from naked lunch. Yeah, from naked lunch. Yeah, it's in there. I can confirm it.

I've read it. The first time I heard Steely Dan, I was 15 years old, 14, and I was going to Dave Matthews was opening for fish at the Santa Monica Civic Center. And I was going to the show, but I had never heard fish. It was my

friends were big fishheads. I knew Dave, I liked, I knew Dave Matthews, but I didn't know, you know, anyway, Kurt, I was listening to a CD of Fish and Kurt was like, oh, no, no, he's like, you got to, you got to hear the real, this, this is where this comes from. And he, and he played me Steely Dan for the first time. I thought that was so cute. It was like. Interesting. I would make the connection with the dead. I mean, I've always thought, it's funny. The Dead, like, I don't, I love the Grateful Dead. I'm not a jam fan. It's so like, to me, I'm like, obviously it personifies and defines jam music. But outside of that, I'm like, it begins and ends with them for me. Have you gotten into Goose at all? Yeah, there are our good friends. We're going to play their festival in May. Well, I should, like, give Griffin's, contextualize what Griffin's saying, because we jam in our band, we jam with Goose.

Like, whenever we're in the same world as them, like, we, whenever we do that thing with them, Like, we sat in with them last time we saw him in Buffalo, New York, and did I come up for two songs, and all the rest of the guys had to wait for us? 45 minutes. Yeah, we just made two songs. We just made two songs. Like, okay, it's just two songs. And it was literally 45 minutes before we got off stage.

And Griffin and I were like high from it. It's so intoxicating and so amazing to do it. And it was the same with Phil. Like Griffin would like reach the stratosphere with with jamming. But I guess like, I think he's speaking more as just like a listener. It's not like turning out like a piece. 19-minuteer is not what he wants to hear, but he definitely what he wants to play.

If I could have that right. I mean, unless you're like, unless there you have, like, certain bootlegs where it goes on for, like, 15 minutes and it blows your mind. Yeah, I mean, no doubt. I mean, I guess some people consider Almond brothers in jam band, so I shouldn't say,

I love them deeply. I don't consider them a jam band, but I, that is to say, I'm not like anti. I love, I'm love goose. Right, but it feels like that era, the jam band, was like a lot of, there's a lot of drugs that were floating around then. So the jam when you are, you know, on psilocybin or you're on acid or even if you're

super blaze, you can just, you know, immerse yourself in the music so much. Oh, totally. It's telling you stories and becoming something. Yeah, I mean, there's different from the sober. Totally. For anyone that's, like, done psychedelics, it's definitely, like, pretty crazy to hear music that was conceived on psychedelics, you know what I mean? I get, I get these, like,

sometimes he's like midnight to like 1 a.m. text from my brother and they're always like random songs and I'm like oh allie is so high right now yeah well because I like sends me like high random but it's these weird musicians on Instagram doing cool crazy shit I want to see this yeah I'll send Katie a group text some of them she some of them she's like that's amazing and other one she's like, I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. I mean, that stuff, like, that stuff on my feed that comes up that's mind-boggling. I'm like,

I find myself watching it in awe, and I'm never like, I'm not always like, whoa, musically, this is blowing my mind. Like, sometimes it feels like if that was music I was hearing in an elevator, without a fucking video, I'd be like, I don't, I wouldn't even think twice about it. A hundred percent, because

seeing some of this, it's like a different category. Exactly. And the characters who are playing the music are half the battle. They're, like, you've seen this fucking yeah totally and and instagram is built for that but have you seen this guy that taps and plays i think he's massively famous like like a european kid yeah he taps his guitar and shreds and plays like drum machine or something it's crazy i've seen that kid he's nuts have you seen have you seen the drummer who does like performance art drumming with like one drum oh the snare yes i love him that is my favorite thing ever i'm

incredible. Sast with him. There's so many. And then there's like those weird groovy guys who are playing. What's the instrument that's like

that, you know, there's no actual instrument that he's going like, who do you know, what's it called? Yeah. What's it called? The telomere.

And then there's one guy like, there's a guy named he's a pretty famous musician named Nate Wood who plays keys, bass and drums all at the same time. He plays drums with one hand and it's like crazy.

Insane. like blast be shredding me i couldn't do it with you know i i just feel like that wouldn't give me a joy it would give me anxiety yeah well that's the totally that's the thing also is like if that if you're not watching that right what is it you know like like all right so how did you guys know what you were drawn to like in in terms of instrument did it come pretty was it like straightforward i think it was like the circumstances under which we grew up like at first i was learning some guitar and and learning piano at the same time but then i met blake mills and we met at like 11 or 12 years old and then it was like

oh we're worse going to be in bands forever together and he was such a phenomenal guitar player when i met him he was playing all of an hayland songs already and just was like some freak and also for people who don't know who blake mills is blake mills is a songwriter and actually and a producer now he did a lot of the music for Daisy Jones on the sick. But he writes a lot with many different artists now. Yeah, he's always producing new records and stuff. And he's a great guitarist. He plays on all the records he produces.

And so, yeah, but then when we split up, so anyway, during that time, I became more of a keyboardist. And so I was like, I guess I'm a keyboard player because I'm with Blake. And then when Blake left and was like, I'm going to stay home and produce and I'm not going to tour, then I was like, okay, I'm going to try to get better guitar. And I think it was similar with grip. It was like clearly the missing. piece. Like we had Blake and me and Wiley and our drummer was this guy Stuart who was family.

We love him so much, but he was a little older and he kind of knew like, I'm not going to be able to run with these guys for as long as they're going to want to go. And so I think we all kind of sensed it. And I think that kind of contributed to Griffin drifting towards the drum along with just coming very naturally to him. That's true. I was feeling a boy, but it was also just physically that was the thing. Like I played piano first and had really great independence. Like I could do, I could say like Charlie Brown theme or whatever. Like I separate my left hand from my right in, but I couldn't really improvise or stretch. And so part of it was just like, I started playing drums.

I was like, this instrument just makes more sense to me. Mm-hmm. And growing up, you know, were you guys close as kids? We got along, but it's like my, it's funny because raising kids, all I do like all days compare it to my experience with Griffith. And now I have three, and the oldest one, just. turned four. So he wasn't four when the youngest one was born. So they're all going to be

they're all pretty close in age. Oh, my God. Yeah. And so the two boys, the two older ones are boys and then the youngest one's a girl. And the two boys are just on top of each other and wrestling and playing and they're getting to a point now where they can share their toys and like they're having a great time. But I was thinking

like I was five when Griffin was born. And so like it was just, I'm sure I was more helpful with my parents. I hope I was. But it wasn't like we were playing. and then by the time he's three and I'm eight or he's eight and I'm 13 it's just they never really

find up until he was about 16 or so and then it's like oh now we're kind of pretty much living the same life so we weren't as close I mean we didn't hate each other there's a couple of normal blowouts but probably far less than what's normal I think that's partly because of that

I think that that was like the upside to having distances we're not in competition for the same girls or we're not even when we're not, like, beefing because we're not the same part. And you're almost so far apart that Griffin even looking up to your older brother, it's there, but it's not this sort of, I need your attention so much. Totally.

It was more like, whoa, that's so cool. Like, this guy's going on tour, and I love the music he likes because he's showing it to me. Like, definitely there was some. Yeah. Yeah, some of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That also, like, I was so, luckily Taylor and Blake was a huge part of my life, too, at that point. had such great taste

that I and our dad that like I I was so impressionable at 13 15 when they were discovering music that I was also taking in by osmosis or whatever and they so I guess

I'm what I'm trying to say is that could have been bad if it had been you know anything other than what it was which was Elvis Costello Peter Gabriel you know David Bowie like I think at that point, they were past the third-eyed-lined, you know, the portion of our childhood.

But I, like, we digested it for you, Griff. Yeah, but it came out. No chamba, I mean, it was at one point. But when we started our band, we were so eye-to-eye on the aesthetic, musically, because we, because we, because we had been essentially seeing what he liked and then loving it because he loved it. And so we've always come from, be able to come from the same place. I think that's interesting because you guys are far enough apart where you don't have that, like, typical brother complication of, like, being in a band.

Would you say, Taylor, though, that's because you're older, like, does, do you, do you, do you, like, do you, like, do you, like, it, does it feel like it, it, does it feel like, it, it, does it feel like, you, Taylor, you, you, you know, no, I think, I think it's like, is it horizontal or is it vertical, you know what I mean, your relationship. I would guess, if I'm understanding your analogy, right, I would, I think it's, it's, like, vertical. I think, like, we, I don't consider myself, and I'll be curious what Griffith has to say, too, but I don't consider myself Griffin's older brother, and I don't, and I also don't appreciate when I'm in that position to, like, play the role. Like, there were times this hasn't happened for years, but back in the day when we were younger, and it's like, we're, we're pulling into some town, and it's time to wake up early for a radio gig, and, like, someone has to go wake up Griff. and I remember tour managers being like go get Griff like it's 930 a.m. We got to wake up and go to the radio station and it's like I'm actually the last person on the bus

Griffin's really sweet dude but it's like I don't think he should be his older brother like hey get up because there's just so much immediately like that's a problematic. There's so many layers to that whereas if it's the tour manager being like hey it's time to go then it's like oh yeah it's my job but otherwise like it's my fucking brother

waking me up. That's smart though I mean I don't think most would even think that far. And not that he would ever bite my head off or anything, but it's just like, I just don't ever want to, like, get into that role of like, oh, there's baggage here or there's just dimensions here or that I just want to avoid. I'm Jorge Ramos.

And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith.

And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening. in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then.

And I just hit call. I said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation. And I just wanted to call on and let her know. there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling, and there is help out there. The Good Stuff Podcast Season 2 takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own mark to suicide.

One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place, and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission. I wouldn't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff.

Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance, bro, tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem a year from now.

When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months, you can have this much credit card debt

and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it and in fact it may get even worse. For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or

wherever you get your podcast. The Super Secret Festi Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy cheesement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your No, no, no, no, no, we're not doing that this season. Oh, well, this season, we're leveling up.

Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here! Today, we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is the diva of the people. The diva of the people. I'm just like, text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself.

Okay. That's us. We're in the head. That's us. My name is Curley And I'm Maya In each episode We'll talk about love, friendship

Heartbreaks, men And of course, our favorite secrets Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club As a part of the My Cultura podcast network Available on the IHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast Hi, I'm Janica Lopez And in the new season of the Overcover podcast

I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth.

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of the Overcomper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. How do you guys deal with opposition, you know, creatively? Where you might butt heads or do you

or are you guys pretty much in sync? I mean, no. You know, everybody disagrees at some point. I just think that, I think it's more of just a human characteristic that Taylor has and that maybe I share to an extent rather than, you know, the brotherly bond, you know, that allows us to just communicate. To me, it's like I've always, and I mean, this I think is developed over time in my own life, but I like to disagree in the sense that.

it can be really constructive. Like, I don't find a lot of value in just being in a room where everyone's like, yes, yes, yes, that's great. You're genius. Yes, let's just keep going. That's awesome. Like, I mean, obviously, if it's working, it's working. But I feel like finding that objectivity and being able to know if it's working comes from

challenging assumptions, challenging, you know, what I like and knowing that what I like is just that. It's just what I like. I wonder if this is like a generational thing because I find that like the bands of the 90s or a little bit before like it was sort of like their early Ott brothers are really good together. But like the 90s, the 70s, 80s, 90s brothers are all notoriously problematic. Like the Rose Oasis. I think it's a, I think it's the division of like tasks too.

I don't write songs. and so and he writes all of them I think that's a big part of it like Liam didn't write either right and they still found a way to oh we didn't really fucking hate each other maybe I'm wrong

but I thought I was on tour with them for a whole summer oh wow it was so fun but they were great it was so fun I have a friend that's playing with them soon and I can't wait to go see them

I've heard it's like I mean I don't know I think this is the question but like do they hate each other? Or is this just a brilliant, like, way to get famous? No, it's hard. Their relationship is hard. Do you guys know Alex Greenwald, fan of planet? I don't know him. Danny and him used to be tight. I know of him. I just don't know him. But he was, he shared this thing on, on social media, so I'm not like talking out of turn or anything. But he was saying that he was at a party once, and Oasis was

his favorite brand as a kid. And he was at a party at a mutual friend's house where they were there, brothers were there and he just went up to be like hey i just want to let you know i'm such a big fan and um and they both like oh yeah we know your band like because he's in the band fan of planet and um they were like do you want to hear some of our new songs and he's like sure so they took him into the bathroom with an acoustic guitar just the three of them i think it was the three of them and um and they were and noel started singing and liam kept cheering it on like playing that other new one playing that other new one and like and leam would sing it and noel was like my brother's the best fucking songwriter

that's ever lived like they seemed like they were so in love and so proud of each other and then it was like a couple years later that it all blew up and then how good they are

and insulting each other publicly it just felt like I understand I'm sure it hurts to hate someone you're related to but it's also like this is so good and compelling like how good you are

hating each other they're so different you know just their energies like everything they're just so different And so I feel like it's the same thing with Chris and Rich, you know, from my ex-husband. Like, they're so different. Like, if you're going to be living with each other and constantly dealing with each other's stuff and, you know, you've got a sort of very, like, very sort of explosive personalities.

And I mean that in like a positive way, like fun, outgoing, wild. You're going to at some point. And then, and Noel's kind of shy. and laid back and, you know, I mean, you're going to butt heads. Yeah. You're going to drive each other nuts. Yeah. I think, again, it comes back to what I'm saying about for us, at least, just being able to

know, like, we can disagree. Let's just not do it in bad faith. Let's not, like, insult each other. It's more like if we're going to disagree, let's just do it knowing that we love each other and there's no. Sure. It sounds like you have good parents. You know, we both care a lot about what we do.

And so, like, there's, of course, that fear that I'm sure we both share when we're working on a song and a studio and it's not going the way one of us wants it to. And it's like, oh, but it's so precious and it's so, you know, you guys know how this is. Like, it's, it's, when you're recording a song, you can lose it if you don't catch it when the, when the moment is like presenting itself. And so when it's in that, like, that inspirational zone, I'm sure we're both kind of like, oh, my God, oh, my God, it's happening. let's make sure we know this, but if we're not seeing that at eye, you can get a little bit heated, not in like, like Griff said, never insulting, but definitely like our, we're both, like, our voices are raised because we both, we both just care a lot.

But like I said, as long as we could be mindful of, like, we have the same objective. And there is a way, even in those, those intense moments that feel like they are only these brief windows, there is a way to see through everybody's visions. And as long as we can do that, it works out. What's interesting about that, yeah, compromise. What's interesting is you're not dealing with business.

You're not dealing with a logical, potentially logical right answer. You're dealing with art and creativity. And when you have that kind of passion around it and there's differing opinions, it's kind of hard that that compromise can get a little bit difficult because there is no, there is no logical right answer for it. It's like, this is what I feel is fucking the way it should be. And then Griffin's like, you know this is how it should be yeah so it's like how do you come to that compromise i mean yeah

it's knowing that i personally it's it's having a lot of outlets it's it's knowing like i it's not just my band i'm not going to make you know it's not going to end up necessarily to be the thing that i envision it to be because there's several people involved and like we all need to figure this out together and and usually if not always it's a lot better than I could imagine it because we're tapping into the strengths of others but yeah I mean I think that what you're talking about is a really delicate balance and that that is the that is the hardest part as I see it of a good producer is like knowing how to be very delicate and and navigate these relationships well I mean because you know you could

have all the goods, but as soon as you, I mean, I always stress this to people, like, you know, to the one person that's cared to ask, that I think, like, every single element in the studio will change the vibe and will make its way into the art that's being created. And so it's, you just can't be careful enough about, you know, what you're saying between, you know, takes or anything, like the cue. mixed just the vibe of the assistant assistant assistant that walked in 10 minutes late you know like all of it is is playing into the thing which is why we've always kind of kept things really tight when we record and kind of like insular and now more than ever because there's just the two

of us um but yeah i mean it's it's not hard it's like when you have it you want to protect it you know so do you play with now um because it used to be what was wiley Wiley and Lee was our piano player keyboard player And Lee And then now Wiley is like Making things Yeah Wiley's making stuff

And then I For the studio We just kind of Do the bulk of it I play bass on most of the last record And I'll Maybe I'll do a version Something like that in the next one

Or maybe we'll hire someone I mean we really have no rules And then same with keys I played all the keyboards on it And then And then when we do her We hire that out And that's been fun

I mean initially it was like Oh shit Like, Wiley was our boy from, like, 15 years. He was 15, and I was 17 or 18 when we met. And it's just so, I mean, he, like, I have other half-brothers, and I love them very much. But Wiley is, like, like, family. Like, Ricker than Wiley, I feel like I know better than just about anybody except, like, my wife. I heard that somebody put this well, I thought, when I was talking to them about

why they're leaving the band, because it's so, because he's our best friend. And so you want what's best for your best friend. They said it's like your wife telling you she's leaving you because she's a lesbian. And like on one hand, you're like, oh, my God, I'm devastated because I love this relationship and everything. On the other hand, you're like, I'm so glad that you now know what makes you happy and then you can embrace it. You know, like, it was kind of like that. Or it's like, dude, I love you and I just want you to do whatever is going to make you happy. And I think it has.

And I think it's for the best for him. Before we wrap up, I just want to say, like, I know you guys went through with the fires. Like, has that, you know, Taylor, I don't know how are you, have you been talking about this a lot? Yeah, yeah. Comfortable. But Taylor, you, you, you, I know you lost, I was actually talking to somebody who knows you, not that long ago who was talking about your situation, which is actually really interesting because you didn't lose your main house, but you lost. The main house is standing. The studio's gone.

the garage with like an apartment built above it is gone and a lot of the landscaping is is torched but like and it's weird because when when I first walked back like the next few days is like our house is standing it's so amazing but it's it's kind of like the thing I keep mentioning it's kind of like seeing the bottom of the Titanic where everyone left their plates and toys and stuff like you can never have it back

because the smoke damage is so extreme that they're remediation contractors are like you're probably going to lose almost all your furniture your rugs and clothes so like I'm not going to pretend like we're not lucky to have our main house standing we're going to live

there again and that's amazing but it is like going to be a different place when we move in and that's so surreal and it's also like and again these are roads I'm happy to go down but it's the even our insurance like adjuster he's like just so you know it's way more complicated with people with only partial burns and so like every single thing

they've been amazing to us but everything single thing is like oh we need we need to get accounting for this and for that and we got to have a conversation about this and we got to look into this contractor whereas you know people that lost their house like here's what you're entitled to and obviously there's some headaches with that too oh yeah of course I mean when I saw when it all happened to the palisades and eatin where you guys were and all that you know they would show the landscape and there's like one house in the middle in the midst of all the road too and and i i said immediately i said the only thing worse than then uh your house burning down is to be the one that didn't yeah i mean you know you might have a house but you no longer have a neighborhood

yeah it's like what are you going to do that's going to change but yeah what are you going to do you don't have the option i mean my house is totally gone and it sucks but it's also like I can make decisions to either I can make a decision not to go back to move elsewhere you know like I have decisions to make based on

you know what insurance comes out with and all that and you know when your house is partially there such as Taylor's like you can't really

you just have fewer options here because like I said it's like I'm in the I'm in the Palisades and I'm just now finishing the remediation and going through all of that. But then, you know, you're talking to experts about air quality. I know. That New York Times people just came out. It's scary.

Yeah, I talked to the guy, the guy who's leading that. Oh, wow. Wonderful, like, researcher, Harvard research. Did he say it's okay for you to go back? you know he he did but he said you just have to make sure you have like really like the proper things in your house that are you know the proper filters and air purifiers and water and all this stuff so i have i have a lot more to do and the truth is is that it's really if i could stay away if you can stay away for the cleaning process that's a better thing to do which is i don't know

what it's like in altadena but for us it's about nine months to a year so i think you know we'll be gone most of the summer. We're going to not spend too much time. But like I said, like it's a weird thing because our neighborhood's gone. So. Is it like totally gone?

It's gone. Wow. So you just like the palisades. Well, the palisades proper is fucking gone. Yeah. Our childhood house burned down that night as well, which is so strippy. My parents didn't know it anymore and their house

in Alpidina burned down. but really wild just such an extreme event so total you know we left when we couldn't come home Danny and I all we did was write music

did you find that you're writing changed or that that was something you leaned towards or was it not like that for you? I mean it's like our youngest was two months old when the fire happened

so like it's just been we're just in it right now i mean there i've had i've been taken down notes and i feel like i yeah i feel like i'm i'm it's welling up i know that songs are going to come um but it's just been it's just been like just right now it's just sort of been i guess just taking it all then i do look forward to that though and i know it's coming yeah i think you're gonna it's it'll it's gonna be like it'll come out of you like much more prolifically than you that you probably could think of. I'm sure, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.

I mean, not that I, not that I, you know, none of us wished for this, but it's like at least like I can dig deep and, and I think it'll also help me. I think my tendency has been to go into just like, like my therapist told me an interesting thing. And he said how with, with experiences like this, women have better access to their, to their emotional reaction to the experience where men tend to. to go either into like a depressed depressive state where they're closed off and like they're just not feeling anything or like a mr fix it mode and um and like and like and he's like and all of

it's essential it's not like none of it's bad it's like that's why we are what's why we live in herds like this is this is good that we're all approaching this with a different experience but yeah I've definitely like I want to let my emotions like kind of voice themselves because I do feel like it was immediately problem-solving mode of like how do we get the kids to sleep how do we get them in a new school situation and there's just there's been not a whole lot of time to grieve yeah I'm sure it's coming well you guys I could we could talk to you forever but you this is fun you've got a you got a hard out we got a hard out we're all hard right on well maybe we'll come back

it's all hard I'm hard come back we I want to we got to we and and and uh And it's also would be nice to hang in person at some point. Yes. Like a reunion. Absolutely. It'd be great. I want to come to the Pujikawa's family event. You have to come.

It's fun. It's a little crazy. It's fun. It's still fun. Just less partying. Yeah. Sometimes the sober people are the craziest of all. Yeah.

That's true. I'm there. It's true. Exactly. All right, boys. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you so much.

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