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01:03Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Judice.Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story.This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump role star, Sheena Shea.I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest.There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana.Maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me.I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent.This is a combo you don't want to miss.
01:30Listen to Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.It may look different, but Native Culture is alive.My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.Somewhere along the way, it turned into this full-fledged award-winning comic shop.That's Dr. Lee Francis IV, who opened the first Native comic bookshop.Explore his story along with many other native stories on the show, Burn Sage Burn Bridges.Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.Hey guys, it's Stephanie Beatriz.
02:08And Melissa Fumero, and this is More Better.We are jumping right in and ready to hear from you.Your thoughts, your questions, your feelings about socks with sandals.And we're ready to share some possibly questionable advice and hot takes.God, that sucks so hard though.I'm so sorry.Can you out petty them?Can you match their pettiness for funsies?
02:27Yeah.All the things.Because aren't we all trying to get a little more better?Listen to more better on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.Hi, I'm Kate Hudson.And my name is Oliver Hudson.We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.And what it's like to be siblings.
02:55We are a sibling reverie.No, no.Sibling reverie.Don't do that with your mouth.Sibling reverie.That's good.Hey, broskey.What's up?
03:17I love you.Tomorrow, tomorrow.I was singing that to Ronnie this morningAnd it was weirdBecause like it was like the first timeI heard her actually listening to the lyrics of the songBecause I was doing it really softLike
03:36You knowWhen it comes to the dayThat's gray and lonelyI just pick up my chinAnd grinAnd sayAnd she was likeThe sun will come out tomorrow
03:54And all of a sudden she was like, that is a beautiful song.I was like, oh, my God, you actually get it.Right, she listened.Yeah, it was so cute.And it weird that you just started singing that one.That's what we were doing this morning.See, I'm in tune.But, you know, my kids, I sang them raining blood from Slayer this morning.
04:18You guys, as your son, who was it like rolling, what was it called rolling?Rolling loud.Rolling loud.God, he had the time of his life.I heard.Bing, Bing was like watching the live stream with like ASAP Rocky and Playboy Cardi and they're all just obsessed.Oh, he was, but he was, he came home like on fire.I mean, he was nuts.
04:45He was crazy.I mean, I almost killed him because his phone died.Oh, no.Couldn't get a hold of anybody.all the moms were calling everybodyand it was just likewhat the fuck are you doing manlike come on
05:01get it togetherI thought it was so weirdthat reminds me of like when I was a teenagerlike mom wouldn't let me go seethe black crows with youbut she let me goto the Grateful Dead concertwhere like everyone was high
05:17I think I ran into my English teacherat the Grateful Dead concertI was walking down, like I was walk, I forget where we were.From up in the, you know, top of the arena comes running down our, you know, English teacher.She's like, Kate, Dejani, and she was tripping her head off.Oh, my God.That's our school.I will never forget it.
05:47That makes sense.The 90s school, the school we went to.Yeah.It's not like that anymore.No.Listen, I'm excited with our next guest, Oliver Hathan.That's me.Because Daws, well, first of all, they've been through a lot in this last, you know, months with the fires and everything.
06:09They are, no, the Fujikawa's, they're all around the same age.When they were coming up with their band Daws, Danny and my partner and Michael's band was kind of coming up.So they all kind of knew each other.And I don't really know them.I don't know them either.And then, you know, one's married to Mandy Moore, who we interviewed.Uh-huh.They just had a baby.
06:33But they made great music.Number three.They did.Taylor, but anybody.Well, no, they're more like Crosby, Stills, Nash.And they're like kind of folkish, but rock folk.Yeah.And they're great.
06:47Like, anybody who is listening should just check them out because they really are like aThey made it, and Danny and Mike didn't.Let's talk to them about it anyway.Hi.Hi.How are you going?What's up, Roy?You guys, we were just introing you.
07:09Oh, cool.And I was sort of talking about how when Danny.How chief didn't make it and you guys did.Cheap.The Fuji Kawas, how I've always heard about you guys through Michael.and Dannyand that you guysall sort of came up
07:27at the same timeand Dannyand Ollie was likeso they made itand and the Fugis didn'tthey made itin their own waysI mean it's you know
07:39they're still playing musicand I don't knowyeah they weredoing really wellthat was like back in the daywhere I would go see bandsI likedbecause life was so different then
07:49but I would likeevery they were playing it's likeoh we got to go see thenext year.I can still sing so many of their tunes.Oh, really?Yeah.We were so happy.
08:00We were in the desert and watching the Grammys.And when you guys open the Grammys, there was a lot of, like, like, joy coming from the Fujikawa's.Pretty rad.How was that for you?How did that come about?Yeah, what happened?It came about, like, 10 days before.It was, like, so crazy last minute.
08:21obviously because they were pivotingand changing the nature of the whole showbut yeah I mean you knowwe've never been nominated we've never been to the Grammysit's just like we and we're also like15 year or more than thatand nine records in to being a band so wethought if there was ever going to be a time for that it's
08:36that's long gone so for thisto come about last minute likewe'd like you not only to play but to openit's so surrealand then and then we got to put together thatamazing band I mean it wasit was an extremely emotional weekfor a few weeks
08:52but that was likethat was a real intense highwow so you just got a callout of nowhere saying heywe want you guys representour manager was like likeI have a call with thethe Grammys folks at 10 a.m. I'll call
09:08you afterwards and we I think wekind of joked like yeah maybe they want us to playand he's like yeah I don't want to get our hopes upbecause you know they could have easily been like hey come playat this fundraiser orcome putcome add your name to some lists for i don't know um so when it when it yeah so he got the callfirst and then texted us at like 1040 a m and was like i need to speak to you both asaph
09:31oh gosh so that were you nervous i always think like that would be i don't know if i getnervous anymore but like i think the oscars and the grammy's singing would make me insaneLike, that would be it.Yeah.Like, I feel like if I was presenting or something that wasn't the thing I did every day,then maybe I'd be nervous.But, I mean, there's definitely like, there was nervousness around, you know,the spotlight, I guess.
10:01But, but, I mean, I would imagine you all know how it is.Like, when you're, when some music starts, yeah, you're like, this is what I do.Yeah.Unless you start on a wrong note and then it can be disaster.That sounds super hard, so it gave us a lot to focus on.If it was really easy, maybe we would have been a little more easily distracted.But there were so many things to remember that we didn't really have the capacity to get too nervous.Although the run through that morning, I got really emotional because the kind of seat fillers that were there early to help run of show make sense.
10:36They got emotional listening to the song and that made me emotional and kind of it all was hitting me.And I was thinking, like, I can't cry later on when we really do this thing.That would have been great television.Yeah, dude, you mean you can't cry.You would have sold at least half a million records.After the dress rehearsal, too,they had all like the cardboard cutouts with the names on itof who was sitting at the tables.
11:01That was pretty eye-openingbecause I walked around and it's like, let me, it's just,like, Beyonce.Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally all of them.Like, Dr. Trays, five feet for me, you know.Yeah.It's crazy.Pretty wild.
11:16Did you see like a bump on your streams and your downloads and all that after that?Yeah, I mean, it's interesting to see how it'll manifest.It's not, I mean, I'm not really sure, honestly, on streams and all that, but that's never beenthe biggest, like, indication for our band as to how well something's doing.I mean, obviously, to an extent it is for everyone, but I think what we're, it kind ofremains to be seen because we haven't been on tour and that's always where we feel like something'stranslating and regaining traction or not um i mean there's been some like offers in for festivalsjust one-off things throughout the year that have come in post-grammys that and those offers can
12:03they kind of feel like they reflect that moment and people are you know excited to kind of get us thereso that's it's just hard to say there's there's definitely not for us a correlation between likeplayed the song now we're getting a million streams a day like but that's never been rightthe trajectory for us it's always been one day it's like one fan at a time yeah and the musicindustry is just like so weird i i have to say like i like entering into it this last year i feltlike i knew through the you know you know what adjacent right like i was music business adjacent and thenactually being in it, it was like,God, it's so hard.
12:47It's so expensive.Like, if you want a tour in any way that is really great and, like,has any production value, you make nothing.You're just running red.And it's, it's, it's a young person's game.I mean, I think when we were young, I was so naï of this back.Yeah, but like, you have to, yeah, you got to be able to do that work of like,I'm up at, you know, we're sleeping for four hours a night and we're driving eight hours
13:17playing for 30 minutes, driving three hours, doing it again the next morning.Like, it's certainly not comfortable, but when you're 18 or 21 and all you're going todo is be on tour, it's like fantastic. It's just that I think I wasn't into that at 20.I'm just going to say, it wasn't really.I mean, I'm interested in your experience now that you're, you are like, you're, I know,I think almost everyone in your band, they're friends of mine.Oh, cool.Yeah, but how, like, it must be a trip to go to enter into the business now, like,
13:54this far along in your life to, to start touring.Like, what is that experience?Is it what you thought it would be?Yes and no, you know, I, like, I love it.I love it.And, like, I wish I could do it more consistently.but it just cost too much moneybut I think it's like my favorite
14:21it's where I'm happiestyou know and eveneven in even in like small weird gigs that I've donethat sounded terrible I still just love itI just love I love being with musiciansand being together and getting weird andit's like as you get older you get as you get older you get more responsible so kate is obviously a mother of threeand extremely responsible with her finances and everything else so it's like well what is the cost
14:51benefit analysis here when you're 18 19 20 you're like who gives a fuck well that's a thing like let's gobaby yeah we all we all our first tour we all quit our jobs we gave up our house we were all stayingright we like we rolled out of our house to the road like we didn't know we were going to livewhen we got back to tour.But back then, you could afford those risks.But you're absolutely right.I mean, you get to a point where you're totally right.But that's also what's hard about it to me is that I just had a kid a few weeks ago.
15:19And, you know, and I'm getting a taste of, thank you.It's been awesome.But I'm getting a taste of like, you know, you got to do in 20 minutes,what you previously had all day to do or whatever, four hours to do.So my time has become more valuable to me.And that's the thing that's tough on tour because there's,So, like, the music is, is so rewarding and awesome, but you're waiting around in, in fucking Iowa for, you know, the other 22 hours a day.And so that, that can be tough. Like, how do I rationalize, like, just, you know, not, you're not wasting it, but I'm gone.
15:55And it's like, I literally can't do anything. But, well, I mean, how is that, how is that, how is that shifted, you know, sort of not just your perspective, but even physically, how you're touring now, especially.with you, Taylor. You got kids, man. Everyone's got kids.Yeah. It's funny howlike when we started, it was likeGriff said, like I remember there was a South by Southwestwhere I found a, like a little tiny square pillow sosmall, this little tiny pillow.And I, and then someone's linoleum
16:23floor in their kitchen and I slept there.I don't even think I had a blanket.And I don't know whose house it was. And I'm not evenout like a particularly like raging guy.But it's just, that was fine back then. And then we got upand played a bunch of shows and now with tourI can't have a sip of alcoholor it messes up my it drives me out
16:43I can't talkI we're Griffin and Ithe first thing when we wake up were like heytour manager have you found out if there'slike a local gym or does the hotel have somethingand so like when you get homepeople were like so what was it like how was beingin like Billings Montana it's like
16:58well my experience was pretty limited to likea gym and the venue and I didn't talkor buy anything or do anythingright they're like it was horrible they didn'tnot have a press juicerry. Yeah, it used to be like, where's the cocaine and now it's like vitaminC. Right. Exactly. Exactly. They have someone where they can get a push. Yeah. I get a vitaminpush. I think it is a factor as to why we've been able to do it this whole time. I think likewe had a lot of those friends. We had some of the band members, in fact, way back in the day,
17:32who would really cut loose and we were down.There was never judgment.It was just that was not what we took to naturally.And so all these bands that we toured with that were partying really hard,like they're not all in the game necessarily anymore.And like chief.Like chief.Like my fiance.
17:58But, yeah, so I feel like it's just how we were.If you got lucky, it wasn't a choice we were making.It's just how we, it's who we were.We used to be able to like kind of invest.you know, like go to Europe because it makes sense in the long term to invest time herein the hopes that we'll eventually have traction and open ourselves up to this bigger market.And nowadays, just because we've been around so long, the math changes, it just feels like,what are we investing in?
18:24I mean, never get really there in a way that makes sense.So does it make sense for us to go again?And given that, we're going to be away from our families.And like I said, our time is just more valuable.So, yeah, I mean, things change in a lot of ways, I think.including the economics of it being so fickle, you know, industry-wide at large has madeeveryone's experience pretty strange and volatile.And it's everywhere.
18:48Like from artists that you would never think, like, would have that issue, do have theissue, you know?The biggest artists in the world are having a hard time.One thing that I took solison, though, to your point, one thing that, like, I feel like wasnice to hear and probably nice for all of us to hear.I was graping about the same thing to my dadwho's currently living with usand he's 78
19:12and I was like dadmy industry because he was talking about myfour year old who is like he's obsessedwith keep on rocking in the free worldand he just wants to sing all the timeand my dad's like oh he's going to do it tooand I was like I hope he does but alsoour business is atrophying
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24:33Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.I'm going to get into your life and go back into your childhood a little bit.But first I want to ask this question.At what point does art become comrous?At what point does it become a business for you because it's like, oh shit, I have kids.I'm an adult.I need to support a familyYou know
24:58This is no longer always just aboutYou knowOf course it's fun to be on stageBut when does it become an actual survivalA business of survivalIt just depends on everybody'sEvery artist has a different circumstanceI mean
25:12Yeah that's why I'm asking themI know you're fineI know you're gonna be fineNo but it's a weirdYou can'tYou asked it like it was oneThere's one answerI mean it's obviously specific
25:24to everyone. To me, it was like when I started owning things and, you know, kind of naivelystepped into, I'm going to buy a house when I was a kid, essentially. And like, getting justessentially like gathering bills that I need to pay every month. And then there becomes to me thisidea of like, oh, I have to say yes. Like, there's a bottom line. Same way everybody has abottom line. But I think at some point, I learned that I had to delineate when,we were making art and not and that for me doesn't feel like a challenge generally certainly notin the studio where it's like okay now we're sitting down to make art and i'm not thinking about it inthe terms of like how do we write some hit i think that's in a way the fact that we've never in that
26:10band or never had that experience has been a blessing obviously to be on top of make millions of dollarsquickly sounds great but the expectations that follow are so crippling to so many artists andthe fact that we've never been in this situation of like how do we follow this up you know has yeahi don't know i guess maybe helped me to never have to think about art when i'm in it when i'm sittingin the chair in this way of how do we make this thing this commodity you know it's more likelet's just do what we do because that it seems to be what at least in our case people areresponding to you know you guys are l.a born and raised where where did you grow upMalibu high.
26:54Yeah, what went to, it was like Canyon Country first, and then we went to Glendale.That's where I went to elementary school, and Griffin did some elementary school there.That's where I was born in.Yeah, Griff was born in Glendale.And then we went to Malibu for high school, and then once we both turned 18, like I was gone when I turned 18, pretty much.And then Griffin was gone when he turned 18.And then we've just been floating around ever since.I think there were times in our lives where we thought, like, are we going to have like a New York chapter or Nashville chapter?
27:23maybe that'll still happen, but as the kids get older and like, as our, yeah, as the families get,as families get older on every generation, it's just like we feel like we, we're going to stayclose.And so it's now, at this point, it feels hard to imagine not ever living in L.A.Did you go to Malibu, did you go to Malibu High for all of high school?Yeah.Yeah.What year, how old are you?
27:472003, I'm 39.So you went with our, was Zach?our brother, Zach Hudsonwasn't he a month?Oh, you know, that sounds familiar.What year did you graduate?He's 38.So you would have been
28:00He's about to be 39.He must have been the year.Was he in Blake Mills's grade with Blake?I think he was in the same grade as Blake.And Emily, he's a musician.Emily Hudson.Did Emily go to Malibu High?That sounds so familiar.
28:15Emily was older.These are half siblings.These are our half siblings.Yeah.They all went to.Malibu they went to Malibu High but um interesting yeah I remember back because I went tocrossroads and Malibu High I graduated 90 94 very fancy I got expelled I got expelled uh just so Iwould try to be not as fancies I was like I just too fancy I'm gonna get kicked out of here
28:36but I remember Malibu hi dude I was friends with all the Malibu kids but it was likerough and tumble well it's funny fighting all the time fucking drugs someone would dieevery other week in Malibu like driving yeah well webe like respectively living on a freeway on PCH.It's funny because you family Malibu, you know, for good reason,people are like, oh, that's, it must be the nicest school ever.And it's like, yeah, I think in, you know, to my 15 year old brain,I'm not thinking about that.
29:05But it's still plagued with all the problems any high school would be.A lot of the reason why we went was like,and I didn't know this until recently now that I'm talking about schools all the goddamn time.You're entering a whole fucking new world of insanity.Yeah. Our mom was like, we moved to Malibu because the amount that we were going to save just by you guys going to a public school because it was like a highly rated one versus what we felt like we needed to do in a different part of L.A., like which would have meant in private schools. She's like, we actually saved money by moving to Malibu, which not a lot of people would have thought.Yeah.Wait, you said you went to Canyon? Canyon Country before I was working. Where is that?It's like close to Magic Mountain.
29:49Okay. So it's on the other side.Oh, okay, got it.What did your parents, what do your parents do?Our mom was a, like, vice president of a homeowner's insurance company.She was a, but a real badass.Like, started a company with six people and, like, stuck it out the whole time and reallycrushed it.And then our dad was a, and he would be the first person to say it, but he was just kind
30:10of like a no good, like, musician that had all the talents.He was so, he was so good.Like, when our mom met him, he was, I remember asking him, because he was in a school buswith all of his bandmates and they had a thing if i remember correctly it was like a weekly gig inportland a weekly gig in sf and then like a weekly gig maybe seattle or somewhere else up in thepacific northwest and i was like what was your long-term plan dad you were like when you met you musthave been like 36 like were you looking to make another record were you trying to start another bandlike what was going on three kids in that plan he was like taylor like i don't think you realize
30:43like i was a piece of shit like i had no plans and your mom showed up and just was like you'regoing to get it together now and we're going to do this and and he's like she saved my life and umand so like he was still always a musician but uh he he got into other things as as the years went onand he was in real estate for a while but yeah it's like the stories i hear about who our dad wasbefore we knew him versus the dad that we had raising us is just so hard to um yeah we have someolder half siblings and our oldest brother is almost 50 and he's said to me like so he he heMy dad, our dad had him when he was like 18.And I think once Jeff, our brother was 18, our dad was 36.
31:27And so my brother Jeff has always said to us, like, you know, one day maybe when our parents are gone, I'm going to tell you some shit that's going to, like, blow your mind.Oh, real.I can't wait.I can't wait.I can't wait.I can't wait.I can't wait.We'll come to our part two with you guys.
31:49doesn't that make you so curiouslike dude fuck just tell me now like it's all goodit's already they've already told usthey've already told us how hard they partyso it's hard to imagine what else we have somestories I think him and Jeffwere living together like abovethe pinks that's our brother in mid
32:05city yeah and when Jeff was like18 I heard that was 36 and I think that was whenmaybe there was some likecrazy wild shit happeningabove pink you mean pink's talklike the talkhot dog hot dogOh, my, oh, hot things.
32:21Yeah, I mean, different times, like, our dad would tell stories like, yeah, I would, I really, I like knew I would eat cabbage every night.I would make cabbage soup because it was only a dollar.And I just, like, what was happening back in the fucking 70s?I mean, obviously, there's nature, nurture, there's DNA, but you guys are followed sort of in his path, I guess, right?I mean, was that, obviously, it's not a conscious choice, but.Yeah, you're definitely not doing insurance.Right.But there's some reference there, right?
32:53Where it's like, oh, he thought of it.Yeah.You're actually, fun story.That's actually pretty, it's like a pretty cool tidbit, fun fact, is his band, or theywere called Sweathog, and they toured, they opened.Sweathog.And the merch, supposedly, I'd ever seen the merch.I wish I could find a piece.
33:09I've looked up, I would pay anything for it.Supposedly, it was a white t-shirt that just said Swedhog on the front and then yellow pit stainsthat were like printed into the, yeah.I like that merch.They opened for Sabbath every time they toured domestically from like their second record or their fourth record.But then I remember asking Cameron Crow this because in Almost Famous, there's a scene where that kid says like, oh, hey Frosty.And that was our dad's drummer.And that was a Black Sabbath show like fictitiously that Stillwater was opening for.
33:43And I was so I remember asking Cameron like, did you know our dad's band Sweathog?He's like, yeah, that's why I wrote that in there.Oh, my God.How cool is that?Frosty was his best, best friend from when he was,when they grew up together and he was my first drum teacher,a small world.Oh, my God.
34:01That's crazy.Pretty cool.Now, when did you know, like, was music just always,like you were just always playing music?Like, were you the kinds of kids were, like, they put you in music lessons?It was never like a choice.It was like, my mom told me today that I was like,because of where we were kind of marveling.
34:17at like our kids just their memories for these songs and what the kind of songs are always askingfor it and my mom said today was like you were the same way like when you were three we were listeningto a song that I'd heard a thousand times and and you were in the back and all of a sudden you justsay like mom there's no drums on this song and when I listen close it's like oh yeah he's rightthere's no drums and how would a three you all be hearing that so and then we our dad wassinging harmonies with us and stuff so yeah well you know when all those little things youfill out as a five year old or four year old like what are you going to be when you grow up itIt was like, I'm already a singer.
34:48It's what I do.Yeah.I joke that like with Steely Dan, I like, I don't have, like, when people ask me my favoriteband is I'm like I don't, it's Steely Dan, but I don't feel like I ever made a choice.It's, I feel like it's Epilovian that when, when, that music was played so much when we werekids that when it comes on, like, yep, it's the best thing ever.My six-year-old, her favorite, she loves dirty work.Oh, yeah.
35:13And, like, when she asks for it.around people, they're like, whoa.And I'm like, I feel so proud.I'm like, yeah.My little baby, he's, whenever he gets bussy, you know,we're playing him different music to see how he responds.And maybe it's too early to say this,but every time we put the dead on, he's, like, chilling.
35:35Well, when I was pregnant Ryder,I named him because we,Chris was covering, I know you, Ryder.He's right on.And every time he'd play it.my he'd go heRyder was super laid backin my belly like he was
35:53like I had to go to the doctormultiple times because I just thought something waswrongbut every timeChris would play that he'd start to moveand I made a joke like well I guess we'll call himRyder and then I was likeinteresting
36:08I have a weird kind of similarthing with we we're talking aboutat some point down the line up and a second kidand I this song I would sing we played a lot with Phil Lesh before he passed and the song I would sing is Cassidy and we've always liked that name yeah my chief of staff's goddaughter's name is Cassidy and her parents are like the biggest deadheads of all timeit was about it was about like one of the text kids in the band right and one of the the grateful dead's textYeah.I'm going to go back.Can I go back for a second?
36:47Okay, did you say your chief of staff?Did you just say that?Yeah.You running through office?I don't understand what's going on.I have a chief of staff.I know, but since when are we calling this that?Because at some point we decided this year in 2025 that we would give real titles.
37:07Chief of Staff?I need a chief.I don't know.Let's take that kind of like a manager.You need to just apply to politics.I know. I was like, what the fuck's going on?And she said it so nonchalant. She goes, yeah, it's crazy. My chief of staff,what?
37:23We should just, from now on, we should start calling all of our tour managers our chief of staff.Yeah, I know. It's kind of great.I'm Jorge Ramos.And I'm Paola Ramos.Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one.We sit down with politicians.I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations,but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.
37:52Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized?I might personally lose hope.This individual might lose the faith.But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith.And that's what I believe in.To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other.sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country.
38:16This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the My Cultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app,Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then.And I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick.I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation.I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling.And there is help out there.
38:50The Good Stuff podcast, Season 2, takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community.September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission.I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own mark to suicide.One Tribe saved my life twice.There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere.Now it's a personal mission.I don't have to go to any more funerals, you know.I got blown up on a React mission.
39:20I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injurybecause I landed on my head.Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff.Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance, bro, tell you how to manage your money again.Welcome to Brown Ambition.This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards.If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards,
39:50you may just recreate the same problem a year from now.When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates,I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan,starting with your local credit union, shopping around online,looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable.Listen, I am not here to judge.It is so.expensive in these streets. I 100%
40:12can see how in just a few monthsyou can have this much credit card debtwhen it weighs on you. It's really easyto just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice anddark in the sand. Even if it's scary,it's not going to go away just because you'reavoiding it and in fact it may get even worse.For more judgment-free money advice,
40:28listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, orwherever you get your podcast. TheSuper Secret Festi Club podcast seasonfour is here. And we'relocked in. That means morejuicy cheesement. Terrible loveadvice. Evil spells to cast on
40:44your ex. No, no, no, no. We'renot doing that this season. Oh. Well,this season, we're leveling up. Each episodewill feature a special bestie, and you'renot going to want to miss it. Get in here.Today, we have a very special guest with us. Our newsuper secret bestie isthe diva of the people. The deep of the people.
41:04I'm just like, text your ex. My theoryis that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot,go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself.Okay.That's us.That's us.My name is Curley.And I'm Maya.
41:17In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreaks, men, and, of course, our favorite secrets.Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.Hi, I'm Jenna Lopez.And in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey.of self-reflection.Am I ready to enter this new part of my life?Like, am I ready to be in a relationship?Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time?
41:50I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is.Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did.Join me for conversations about healing and growth.Life is freaking hard.And growth doesn't happen in comfort.It happens in motion, even when you're hurting.All from one of my favorite spaces, the kitchen.Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing.
42:16Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcomper podcastas part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.Hey, real quick, how Steely Dan,got the name. Is that a true story?Double-sided dildo fromyeah. That's true.Yeah, from naked lunch. Yeah, from naked lunch.Yeah, it's in there. I can confirm it.
42:49I've read it. The first timeI heard Steely Dan, I was15 years old, 14,and I was going toDave Matthews was opening for fishat the Santa Monica Civic Center.And I was going to the show,but I had never heard fish. It was my
43:07friends were big fishheads.I knew Dave, I liked, I knew Dave Matthews, but I didn't know, you know, anyway, Kurt, I was listening to a CD of Fish and Kurt was like, oh, no, no, he's like, you got to, you got to hear the real, this, this is where this comes from. And he, and he played me Steely Dan for the first time. I thought that was so cute. It was like. Interesting. I would make the connection with the dead. I mean, I've always thought, it's funny. The Dead, like, I don't, I love the Grateful Dead. I'm not a jam fan.It's so like, to me, I'm like, obviously it personifies and defines jam music.But outside of that, I'm like, it begins and ends with them for me.Have you gotten into Goose at all?Yeah, there are our good friends.We're going to play their festival in May.Well, I should, like, give Griffin's, contextualize what Griffin's saying, because we jam in our band, we jam with Goose.
44:04Like, whenever we're in the same world as them, like, we, whenever we do that thing with them,Like, we sat in with them last time we saw him in Buffalo, New York,and did I come up for two songs, and all the rest of the guys had to wait for us?45 minutes.Yeah, we just made two songs.We just made two songs.Like, okay, it's just two songs.And it was literally 45 minutes before we got off stage.
44:22And Griffin and I were like high from it.It's so intoxicating and so amazing to do it.And it was the same with Phil.Like Griffin would like reach the stratosphere with with jamming.But I guess like, I think he's speaking more as just like a listener.It's not like turning out like a piece.19-minuteer is not what he wants to hear,but he definitely what he wants to play.
44:42If I could have that right.I mean, unless you're like,unless there you have, like, certain bootlegswhere it goes on for, like, 15 minutesand it blows your mind.Yeah, I mean, no doubt.I mean, I guess some people considerAlmond brothers in jam band, so I shouldn't say,
44:56I love them deeply. I don't consider them a jam band,but I, that is to say,I'm not like anti.I love, I'm love goose.Right, but it feels likethat era, the jam band,was like a lot of, there's a lot of drugs that were floating around then.So the jam when you are, you know, on psilocybin or you're on acid or even if you're
45:16super blaze, you can just, you know, immerse yourself in the music so much.Oh, totally.It's telling you stories and becoming something.Yeah, I mean, there's different from the sober.Totally.For anyone that's, like, done psychedelics, it's definitely, like, pretty crazy to hear musicthat was conceived on psychedelics, you know what I mean?I get, I get these, like,
45:38sometimes he's like midnight to like 1 a.m. text from my brother and they're always like randomsongs and I'm like oh allie is so high right now yeah well because I like sends me like highrandom but it's these weird musicians on Instagram doing cool crazy shit I want to see thisyeah I'll send Katie a group text some of them she some of them she's like that's amazing and otherone she's like, I'm like, what the fuck?Yeah. I mean, that stuff, like,that stuff on my feed that comes upthat's mind-boggling. I'm like,
46:14I find myselfwatching it in awe, and I'm neverlike, I'm not always like, whoa,musically, this is blowing my mind. Like, sometimesit feels like if that was music I was hearingin an elevator, without a fucking video,I'd be like, I don't, I wouldn't even think twiceabout it. A hundred percent, because
46:28seeing some of this, it's like a different category.Exactly. And the characters who are playing the musicare half the battle. They're, like,you've seen this fucking yeah totally and and instagram is built for that but have you seen thisguy that taps and plays i think he's massively famous like like a european kidyeah he taps his guitar and shreds and plays like drum machine or something it's crazyi've seen that kid he's nuts have you seen have you seen the drummer who does like performanceart drumming with like one drum oh the snare yes i love him that is my favorite thing ever i'm
47:04incredible.Sast with him.There's so many.And then there's likethose weird groovyguys who are playing.What's the instrumentthat's like
47:11that, you know,there's no actual instrumentthat he's going like,who do you know,what's it called?Yeah.What's it called?The telomere.
47:21And then there's one guy like,there's a guy namedhe's a pretty famousmusician named Nate Woodwho plays keys,bass and drums all at the same time.He plays drums with one handand it's like crazy.
47:34Insane.like blast be shredding me i couldn't do it with you know i i just feel like that wouldn't give mea joy it would give me anxiety yeah well that's the totally that's the thing also is like if thatif you're not watching that right what is it you know like like all right so how did you guysknow what you were drawn to like in in terms of instrument did it come pretty was it likestraightforward i think it was like the circumstancesunder which we grew up like at first i was learning some guitar and and learning piano at thesame time but then i met blake mills and we met at like 11 or 12 years old and then it was like
48:16oh we're worse going to be in bands forever together and he was such a phenomenal guitar playerwhen i met him he was playing all of an hayland songs already and just was like some freak and alsofor people who don't know who blake mills is blake mills is a songwriter and actually and a producer now hedid a lot of the music for Daisy Jones on the sick.But he writes a lot with many different artists now.Yeah, he's always producing new records and stuff.And he's a great guitarist.He plays on all the records he produces.
48:46And so, yeah, but then when we split up, so anyway, during that time, I became moreof a keyboardist.And so I was like, I guess I'm a keyboard player because I'm with Blake.And then when Blake left and was like, I'm going to stay home and produce and I'm notgoing to tour, then I was like, okay, I'm going to try to get better guitar.And I think it was similar with grip.It was like clearly the missing.piece. Like we had Blake and me and Wiley and our drummer was this guy Stuart who was family.
49:09We love him so much, but he was a little older and he kind of knew like, I'm not going to beable to run with these guys for as long as they're going to want to go. And so I think we all kindof sensed it. And I think that kind of contributed to Griffin drifting towards the drum along withjust coming very naturally to him. That's true. I was feeling a boy, but it was also justphysically that was the thing. Like I played piano first and had really greatindependence. Like I could do, I could say like Charlie Brown theme or whatever. Like Iseparate my left hand from my right in, but I couldn't really improvise or stretch.And so part of it was just like, I started playing drums.
49:41I was like, this instrument just makes more sense to me.Mm-hmm.And growing up, you know, were you guys close as kids?We got along, but it's like my, it's funny because raising kids, all I do like alldays compare it to my experience with Griffith.And now I have three, and the oldest one, just.turned four. So he wasn't fourwhen the youngest one was born. So they're all going to be
50:07they're all pretty close in age. Oh, my God.Yeah. And so the twoboys, the two older ones are boysand then the youngest one's a girl. And the two boysare just on top of each other and wrestlingand playing and they'regetting to a point now where they can share their toys andlike they're having a great time. But I was thinking
50:23like I was five when Griffin wasborn. And so likeit was just, I'm sure I was more helpfulwith my parents. I hope I was. Butit wasn't like we were playing.and then by the time he's three and I'm eightor he's eight and I'm 13it's just they never really
50:38find up until he was about 16 or soand then it's like oh now we're kind ofpretty much living the same lifeso we weren't as closeI mean we didn't hate each otherthere's a couple of normal blowoutsbut probably far less than what's normalI think that's partly because of that
50:55I think that that was like the upsideto having distanceswe're not in competitionfor the same girls or we're noteven when we're not, like, beefing because we're not the same part.And you're almost so far apart that Griffin even looking up to your older brother, it's there,but it's not this sort of, I need your attention so much.Totally.
51:13It was more like, whoa, that's so cool.Like, this guy's going on tour, and I love the music he likes because he's showing it to me.Like, definitely there was some.Yeah.Yeah, some of that.Yeah, yeah, yeah.That also, like, I was so, luckily Taylor and Blake was a huge part of my life, too, at that point.had such great taste
51:32that Iand our dad that like II was so impressionableat 13 15 when they werediscovering music that I wasalso taking inby osmosis or whateverand they so I guess
51:49I'm what I'm trying to say is that could have beenbad if it had beenyou know anything other than what it waswhich was Elvis CostelloPeter Gabriel you knowDavid Bowie likeI think at that point, they were past the third-eyed-lined, you know, the portion of ourchildhood.
52:07But I, like, we digested it for you, Griff.Yeah, but it came out.No chamba, I mean, it was at one point.But when we started our band, we were so eye-to-eye on the aesthetic, musically, becausewe, because we, because we had been essentially seeing what he liked and then loving itbecause he loved it.And so we've always come from, be able to come from the same place.I think that's interesting because you guys are far enough apart where you don't have that, like, typical brother complication of, like, being in a band.
52:37Would you say, Taylor, though, that's because you're older, like, does, do you, do you, do you, like, do you, like, do you, like, it, does it feel like it, it, does it feel like, it, it, does it feel like, you, Taylor, you, you, you know, no, I think, I think it's like, is it horizontal or is it vertical, you know what I mean, your relationship.I would guess, if I'm understanding your analogy, right, I would, I think it's, it's, like, vertical.I think, like, we, I don't consider myself, and I'll be curious what Griffith has to say, too, but I don't consider myself Griffin's older brother, and I don't, and I also don't appreciate when I'm in that position to, like, play the role.Like, there were times this hasn't happened for years, but back in the day when we were younger, and it's like, we're, we're pulling into some town, and it's time to wake up early for a radio gig, and, like, someone has to go wake up Griff.and I remember tour managers being likego get Griff like it's 930 a.m.We got to wake up and go to the radio stationand it's like I'm actually the last person on the bus
53:39Griffin's really sweet dude but it's likeI don't think he should be his older brother like heyget up because there's just so muchimmediately like that's aproblematic. There's so many layers to thatwhereas if it's the tour manager being likehey it's time to go then it's like oh yeah it's my jobbut otherwise like it's my fucking brother
53:55waking me up. That's smart thoughI mean I don't think mostwould even think that far.And not that he would ever bite my head off or anything,but it's just like, I just don't ever want to, like,get into that role of like, oh, there's baggage hereor there's just dimensions here or that I just want to avoid.I'm Jorge Ramos.
54:17And I'm Paola Ramos.Together we're launching The Moment,a new podcast about what it means to live through a time,as uncertain as this one.We sit down with politicians.I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized?I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith.
54:46And that's what I believe in.To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening.in the country.This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast networkon the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then.
55:20And I just hit call.I said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick.I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation.And I just wanted to call on and let her know.there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling, and there is help out there.The Good Stuff Podcast Season 2 takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community.September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission.I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own mark to suicide.
55:52One Tribe saved my life twice.There's a lot of love that flows through this place, and it's sincere.Now it's a personal mission.I wouldn't have to go to any more funerals, you know.I got blown up on a React mission.I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injurybecause I landed on my head.Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff.
56:10Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get yourpodcast.Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance, bro,tell you how to manage your money again.Welcome to Brown Ambition.This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards.If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards,you may just recreate the same problem a year from now.
56:35When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates,I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan,starting with your local credit union, shopping around online,looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable.Listen, I am not here to judge.It is so expensive in these streets.I 100% can see how in just a few months,you can have this much credit card debt
56:58and it weighs on you. It's really easyto just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice anddark in the sand. Even if it's scary,it's not going to go away just because you'reavoiding it and in fact it may get even worse.For more judgment-free money advice,listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or
57:14wherever you get your podcast.The Super Secret Festi Club podcast seasonfour is here. And we'relocked in. That means more juicycheesement. Terrible love advice.Evil spells to cast on yourNo, no, no, no, no, we're not doing that this season.Oh, well, this season, we're leveling up.
57:32Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it.Get in here!Today, we have a very special guest with us.Our new super secret bestie is the diva of the people.The diva of the people.I'm just like, text your ex.My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it.Go and figure it out for yourself.
57:52Okay.That's us.We're in the head.That's us.My name is CurleyAnd I'm MayaIn each episodeWe'll talk about love, friendship
58:02Heartbreaks, menAnd of course, our favorite secretsListen to the Super Secret Bestie ClubAs a part of the My Cultura podcast networkAvailable on the IHeartRadio appApple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcastHi, I'm Janica LopezAnd in the new season of the Overcover podcast
58:20I'm taking you on an exciting journeyof self-reflectionAm I ready to enter this new part of my life?Like, am I ready to be in a relationship?Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time?I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is.Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did.Join me for conversations about healing and growth.
58:44Life is freaking hard.And growth doesn't happen in comfort.It happens in motion, even when you're hurting.All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen.Honestly, these are going to come out so.freaking amazing.Be a part of my new chapterand listen to the new season
59:01of the Overcomper podcastas part of the MyCultura podcast networkon the IHeartRadio app,Apple Podcasts, or wherever you getyour podcast.How do you guys deal with opposition,you know, creatively?Where you might butt heads or do you
59:24or are you guys pretty much in sync?I mean, no.You know, everybody disagrees at some point.I just think that, I think it's more of just a human characteristic that Taylor hasand that maybe I share to an extent rather than, you know, the brotherly bond, you know,that allows us to just communicate.To me, it's like I've always, and I mean, this I think is developed over time in my own life,but I like to disagree in the sense that.
59:56it can be really constructive.Like, I don't find a lot of value in just being in a room where everyone's like,yes, yes, yes, that's great.You're genius.Yes, let's just keep going.That's awesome.Like, I mean, obviously, if it's working, it's working.But I feel like finding that objectivity and being able to know if it's working comes from
01:00:17challenging assumptions, challenging, you know, what I like and knowing that what I likeis just that.It's just what I like.I wonder if this is like a generational thing because I find that like the bands of the 90sor a little bit before like it was sort of like their early Ott brothers are really good together.But like the 90s, the 70s, 80s, 90s brothers are all notoriously problematic.Like the Rose Oasis.I think it's a, I think it's the division of like tasks too.
01:00:54I don't write songs.and so and he writes all of themI think that's a big part of itlike Liam didn't write either rightand they still found a way tooh we didn'treally fucking hate each othermaybe I'm wrong
01:01:07but I thought I was on tour with themfor a whole summeroh wowit was so funbut they were greatit was so funI have a friend that's playing with themsoon and I can't wait to go see them
01:01:20I've heard it's likeI mean I don't knowI think this is the questionbut like do they hateeach other? Or is this just a brilliant, like, way to get famous? No, it's hard. Their relationshipis hard. Do you guys know Alex Greenwald, fan of planet? I don't know him. Danny and him used to be tight.I know of him. I just don't know him. But he was, he shared this thing on, on social media, so I'm notlike talking out of turn or anything. But he was saying that he was at a party once, and Oasis was
01:01:50his favorite brand as a kid. And he was at a party at a mutual friend's house where they were there,brothers were there and he just went up to be like hey i just want to let you know i'm such a bigfan and um and they both like oh yeah we know your band like because he's in the band fan of planetand um they were like do you want to hear some of our new songs and he's like sure so they took himinto the bathroom with an acoustic guitar just the three of them i think it was the three of themand um and they were and noel started singing and liam kept cheering it on like playing that othernew one playing that other new one and like and leam would sing it and noel was like my brother's thebest fucking songwriter
01:02:26that's ever livedlike they seemed likethey were so in loveand so proud of each otherand thenit was like a couple years laterthat it all blew upand then how good they are
01:02:35and insulting each other publiclyit just felt likeI understandI'm sure it hurtsto hate someone you're related tobut it's also likethis is so good and compellinglike how good you are
01:02:47hating each otherthey're so differentyou know just their energieslike everythingthey're just so differentAnd so I feel like it's the same thing with Chris and Rich, you know, from my ex-husband.Like, they're so different.Like, if you're going to be living with each other and constantly dealing with each other's stuff and, you know, you've got a sort of very, like, very sort of explosive personalities.
01:03:16And I mean that in like a positive way, like fun, outgoing, wild.You're going to at some point.And then, and Noel's kind of shy.and laid back and, you know, I mean, you're going to butt heads.Yeah.You're going to drive each other nuts.Yeah.I think, again, it comes back to what I'm saying about for us, at least, just being able to
01:03:36know, like, we can disagree.Let's just not do it in bad faith.Let's not, like, insult each other.It's more like if we're going to disagree, let's just do it knowing that we love each otherand there's no.Sure.It sounds like you have good parents.You know, we both care a lot about what we do.
01:03:53And so, like, there's, of course, that fear that I'm sure we both share when we're working on a song and a studio and it's not going the way one of us wants it to.And it's like, oh, but it's so precious and it's so, you know, you guys know how this is.Like, it's, it's, when you're recording a song, you can lose it if you don't catch it when the, when the moment is like presenting itself.And so when it's in that, like, that inspirational zone, I'm sure we're both kind of like, oh, my God, oh, my God, it's happening.let's make sure we know this, but if we're not seeing that at eye,you can get a little bit heated, not in like, like Griff said,never insulting, but definitely like our, we're both, like,our voices are raised because we both, we both just care a lot.
01:04:35But like I said, as long as we could be mindful of, like,we have the same objective.And there is a way, even in those, those intense momentsthat feel like they are only these brief windows,there is a way to see through everybody's visions.And as long as we can do that, it works out.What's interesting about that, yeah, compromise.What's interesting is you're not dealing with business.
01:04:59You're not dealing with a logical, potentially logical right answer.You're dealing with art and creativity.And when you have that kind of passion around it and there's differing opinions,it's kind of hard that that compromise can get a little bit difficult because there is no,there is no logical right answer for it.It's like, this is what I feel is fucking the way it should be.And then Griffin's like,you know this is how it should be yeah so it's like how do you come to that compromise i mean yeah
01:05:27it's knowing that i personally it's it's having a lot of outlets it's it's knowing like iit's not just my band i'm not going to make you know it's not going to end upnecessarily to be the thing that i envision it to be because there's several people involvedand like we all need to figure this out together and and usually if notalways it's a lot better than I could imagine it because we're tapping into the strengths ofothers but yeah I mean I think that what you're talking about is a really delicate balance andthat that is the that is the hardest part as I see it of a good producer is like knowing howto be very delicate and and navigate these relationships well I mean because you know you could
01:06:19have all the goods, but as soon as you, I mean, I always stress this to people, like, you know,to the one person that's cared to ask, that I think, like, every single element in the studiowill change the vibe and will make its way into the art that's being created.And so it's, you just can't be careful enough about, you know, what you're saying between,you know, takes or anything, like the cue.mixed just the vibe of the assistant assistant assistant that walked in 10 minutes late you know likeall of it is is playing into the thing which is why we've always kind of kept things reallytight when we record and kind of like insular and now more than ever because there's just the two
01:07:08of us um but yeah i mean it's it's not hard it's like when you have it you want to protect it youknow so do you play with now um because it used to be what was wileyWiley and Lee was our piano playerkeyboard playerAnd LeeAnd then now Wiley is likeMaking thingsYeah Wiley's making stuff
01:07:28And then IFor the studioWe just kind ofDo the bulk of itI play bass on most of the last recordAnd I'llMaybe I'll do a versionSomething like that in the next one
01:07:36Or maybe we'll hire someoneI mean we really have no rulesAnd then same with keysI played all the keyboards on itAnd thenAnd then when we do herWe hire that outAnd that's been fun
01:07:47I mean initially it was likeOh shitLike, Wiley was our boy from, like, 15 years.He was 15, and I was 17 or 18 when we met.And it's just so, I mean, he, like, I have other half-brothers, and I love them very much.But Wiley is, like, like, family.Like, Ricker than Wiley, I feel like I know better than just about anybody except, like, my wife.I heard that somebody put this well, I thought, when I was talking to them about
01:08:14why they're leaving the band, because it's so, because he's our best friend.And so you want what's best for your best friend.They said it's like your wife telling you she's leaving you because she's a lesbian.And like on one hand, you're like, oh, my God, I'm devastated because I love this relationship and everything.On the other hand, you're like, I'm so glad that you now know what makes you happy and then you can embrace it.You know, like, it was kind of like that.Or it's like, dude, I love you and I just want you to do whatever is going to make you happy.And I think it has.
01:08:46And I think it's for the best for him.Before we wrap up, I just want to say, like, I know you guys went through with the fires.Like, has that, you know, Taylor, I don't know how are you, have you been talking about this a lot?Yeah, yeah.Comfortable.But Taylor, you, you, you, I know you lost, I was actually talking to somebody who knows you, not that long ago who was talking about your situation, which is actually really interesting because you didn't lose your main house, but you lost.The main house is standing.The studio's gone.
01:09:15the garage with like an apartment built above it is goneand a lot of the landscaping is is torched but likeand it's weird because when when I first walked back like the next few daysis like our house is standing it's so amazingbut it's it's kind of likethe thing I keep mentioning it's kind of likeseeing the bottom of the Titanic where everyone left their platesand toys and stuff like you can never have it back
01:09:41because the smoke damage is so extremethat they're remediation contractorsare like you're probably going to losealmost all your furnitureyour rugs and clothesso like I'm not going topretend like we're notlucky to have our main house standing we're going to live
01:09:58there again and that's amazingbut it is like going to be a different placewhen we move in and that's sosurreal and it's also like and againthese are roads I'm happy to go downbut it's the even ourinsurance like adjuster he's like just so you knowit's way more complicated with people with only partial burns and so like every single thing
01:10:19they've been amazing to us but everything single thing is like oh we need we need to get accountingfor this and for that and we got to have a conversation about this and we got to look into this contractorwhereas you know people that lost their house like here's what you're entitled to and obviouslythere's some headaches with that too oh yeah of course I mean when I saw when it all happened tothe palisades and eatin where you guys were and all that you know they would show the landscapeand there's like one house in the middle in the midst of all the road too and and i i saidimmediately i said the only thing worse than then uh your house burning down is to be the one thatdidn't yeah i mean you know you might have a house but you no longer have a neighborhood
01:10:58yeah it's like what are you going to do that's going to change but yeah what are you going to doyou don't have the option i mean my house is totally gone and it sucks but it's also likeI can makedecisions to eitherI can make a decision not to go backto move elsewhereyou know like I have decisions to makebased on
01:11:18you knowwhatinsurance comes out withand all thatand you knowwhen your house is partially theresuch as Taylor's like you can'treally
01:11:30you just have fewer options herebecause like I said it's likeI'm in the I'm in thePalisades and I'm just now finishing the remediation and going through all of that.But then, you know, you're talking to experts about air quality.I know.That New York Times people just came out.It's scary.
01:11:55Yeah, I talked to the guy, the guy who's leading that.Oh, wow.Wonderful, like, researcher, Harvard research.Did he say it's okay for you to go back?you know he he did but he said you just have to make sure you have like really like the properthings in your house that are you know the proper filters and air purifiers and water and allthis stuff so i have i have a lot more to do and the truth is is that it's really if i could stay awayif you can stay away for the cleaning process that's a better thing to do which is i don't know
01:12:29what it's like in altadena but for us it's about nine months to a year so i think you knowwe'll be gone most of the summer.We're going to notspend too much time.But like I said,like it's a weird thing because our neighborhood's gone.So.Is it like totally gone?
01:12:50It's gone.Wow.So you just like the palisades.Well, the palisades proper is fucking gone.Yeah.Our childhood house burned down that night as well,which is so strippy.My parents didn't know it anymore and their house
01:13:03in Alpidina burned down.but really wildjust such an extreme eventso total you knowwe left when wecouldn't come homeDanny and Iall we did was write music
01:13:17did you findthat you're writing changedor that that was something youleaned towards or was it not like that for you?I meanit's like our youngestwas two months oldwhen the fire happened
01:13:33so like it's just been we're just in it right now i mean there i've had i've been taken downnotes and i feel like i yeah i feel like i'm i'm it's welling up i know that songs are going tocome um but it's just been it's just been like just right now it's just sort of been i guessjust taking it all then i do look forward to that though and i know it's coming yeah i think you'regonna it's it'll it's gonna be like it'll come out of you like much more prolifically than youthat you probably could think of.I'm sure, yeah.Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for.
01:14:07I mean, not that I, not that I, you know, none of us wished for this,but it's like at least like I can dig deep and, and I think it'll also help me.I think my tendency has been to go into just like, like my therapist told me an interestingthing.And he said how with, with experiences like this, women have better access to their, to theiremotional reaction to the experience where men tend to.to go either into like a depressed depressive state where they're closed off and like they're justnot feeling anything or like a mr fix it mode and um and like and like and he's like and all of
01:14:46it's essential it's not like none of it's bad it's like that's why we are what's why we live inherds like this is this is good that we're all approaching this with a different experience but yeahI've definitely like I want to let my emotions like kind of voice themselves because I dofeel like it was immediately problem-solving mode of like how do we get the kidsto sleep how do we get them in a new school situation and there's just there'sbeen not a whole lot of time to grieve yeah I'm sure it's coming well you guys I couldwe could talk to you forever but you this is fun you've got a you got a hard out we got ahard out we're all hard right on well maybe we'll come back
01:15:24it's all hard I'm hard come back we I want to we got to we and and and uhAnd it's also would be nice to hang in person at some point.Yes.Like a reunion.Absolutely.It'd be great.I want to come to the Pujikawa's family event.You have to come.
01:15:43It's fun.It's a little crazy.It's fun.It's still fun.Just less partying.Yeah.Sometimes the sober people are the craziest of all.Yeah.
01:15:54That's true.I'm there.It's true.Exactly.All right, boys.Appreciate it.Thank you.Thank you so much.
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