Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Tony and Steve Hawk

Episode Date: May 20, 2020

On this episode of "Sibling Revelry," Kate and Oliver are joined by Tony and Steve Hawk. They talk about how Tony got into skateboarding (thanks to Steve), their big age difference and two older sisters, how the skating culture has changed over time, the remake of Tony Hawk Pro Skater, and much more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Causebox, Coors, and HelixSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry.

Don't do that with your mouth. That's good. Sibbley Revellerie That's good. Hello, Kate. Hi, Oliver. What word brimes

with block? Oh. Chalk. No. Tony Hawk. This was a extreme treat for me. Tony Hawk was an idol of mine.

I grew up skating in the 80s, you know, for him to come on the show, especially with his brother, Steve, who by the way is a badass himself, was such a treat for me. And I know it was for you and for the children's in our lives, the cousins, because they're skating now as well. It was just a very happy day for the Hudson family, for sure. It was really, really special. Tony Hawk is a legend

and you know when you get to interview someone like that and really get into their life and be there with their sibling and I love watching especially in athletes I mean it's one thing

when you know someone becomes famous and they're like in a movie but for athletes it's something that they've worked on and that usually the family has been involved with actively like taking them to practice

or taking them to the park or getting them to the park or getting them involved and being there cheering them on. Yeah, and Steve was the one who got him into skating. So as you sort of say that, it was cool to talk to Steve, who was his older brother, who gave us some real insight into who Tony was as a kid. And he was the one, Steve was the one who sort of even got him into skating in the first place, you know. Yeah, Steve is a massive surfer.

Yep, he's cool. And he has that kind of demeanor about him. Yeah, well, he's just, he seems pretty soulful. And he was so great to the kids, Tony was, by the way. You know, he signed all the boards and their hats. And, you know, it was, he was just, he was cool. I mean, I was, like, fanboying out myself, you know. I was just trying to keep it together and be, like, a 43-year-old man instead of, like,

my 13-year-old self who was just wanted to be like, hey, Tony, just like me. Tony, please, just, I'm here, look at me and like me. you know we interviewed him not long after Kobe passed away and I remember when the kids came in and you saw there's sort of that wonder and that awe and that really like oh my god they were meeting that legend hero and it made me think about you know there really only a few legends in each business and you know what's cool about Tony honestly is that he he's like an icon for many different generations, really, because he's transcended decades. He didn't fade. He just gets sort of stronger and stronger. You know, it was interesting to talk to him about his kids and

that. I saw him right after, you know, he went to the Academy Awards and they won the skateboarding show, short, won. And if you haven't seen this short, it's so awesome. And, you know, he had this, he had this video game Tony Hawk Pro Skater that again I grew up on and they just announced the release I think it's releasing in September now Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 and 2 which is just an updated version

but still has the same old school stuff as well as new stuff music and everything so I mean I don't... It sounds really cool I don't play video games anymore but I think I've got to get I've got to pick this one up for sure He is one of those people that makes you feel like nervous at first and then completely and totally relaxed.

I know, I know. He's just a real guy. And then remember when he was talking about his kids and then he's like, yeah, these are my son's shoes. And then he showed us a picture of his son. And I was like, your son is like hot. Oh, yeah. It's like his son is like a model. I mean, so beautiful.

Oh, yeah. He's like, oh, God, Tony. Just, yeah, I mean, he's cool. He's what I've always wanted to be and just never could really achieve. Anyway, you guys, hopefully. Enjoy this. Enjoy it as much as we enjoyed it.

It was awesome. Tony and Steve Hawk. I'm so happy you guys are here. This is bucketless for me. This is the best. Yeah, this is super cool. We always start with kind of the beginning and how you guys grew up. And so I guess, Steve, I'll start with you.

You're the older brother. The elder statesman? Like quite a bit, yeah. And so where did you guys grow up and how much? What's the age difference? 12 years. Oh, wow. So I guess you don't know this, but yesterday we buried our mother.

mother, where we had her life celebration. Yeah, use the latter version of that. Yes. The life celebration. Yeah, we didn't bury her. She's in an urn on my coffee table, so we didn't bury her. You had a life celebration. We had a life celebration.

How old was your mom? She was 94-95. There's some uncertainty there because her parents lied to her about her birth date when she was young, apparently. And her father. And her father, yeah. So she thought the guy who raised her was not her biological father. her mom had gotten pregnant when she was 16 um so they fudged her birth certificate okay she found out in

her 70s wow man that's anyway it was okay because she'd had Alzheimer's for 10 years and for the last four or five was pretty much gone so we i think we all had done our grieving um and it was sort of a relief when she finally actually passed uh so it was it was very much a celebration it was not that's great it was a beautiful thing And all these skates, Mike McGill was there, Steve Cavillero was there. All the great skaters. Rodman, Lusikasai, Kenne, Ken Park. She was really truly, I mean, one of the reasons why all these skaters came was she was, just had this incredibly generous spirit and was so understanding and tolerant of everybody.

So Tony was skating, had all these guys coming through with Mohawks, and they'd be 12 of them sleeping on the floor, and she fed them all. sadly she wasn't a great cook but where did you grow up san diego i mean are you happy talking about how old we all are how old were you what year was it i'd prefer no of course so i was born in 55 i have two older sisters um who are five years and eight years older than me wow you're the baby and so to me was very much an accidente grand he was you were major my mom uh they thought they were done. I was going to be the last child. And then my mom got pregnant by accident when she was 43, which in 1968 was really old. There's a lot more women having babies at that age now. Yeah. Yeah. So our sisters were already out of the house when Tony was born, and then I was

12. So we were such a gap that, you know, I was changing his diapers and was kind of part fraternal, part paternal yeah he peed on me a couple times yeah he still does what was your what was dad situation your dad i mean was he around oh yeah he was yeah yeah he was well he was in the navy um and then he was retired by the time i was born um and then he was just always just scrambling for work but doing random stuff making it work yeah yeah yeah we were pretty we were definitely much lower middle class kind of um never but never felt poor never felt like i wanted for anything but You took care of Tony. I mean, he was your little brother and you, or were you on your own trip doing your own teenage things?

Well, you know, I was a surfer, so, like, I was really a, there was a period of my life where I looked exactly like Jeff Spicoli in Fast Times. Really? Exactly. And talked like him. Yeah. When Sean did, Penn did that role, every surfer I knew just was like, you're Spicol. Fucker, nailed it. So, an accident.

happens. Mom says, I'm pregnant. Do you remember that moment? I went into a bathroom. I said, oh, wow, that's great. And I went to the bathroom and cried. Really? Yeah. Why? Because I was no longer going to be the baby. I had two older sisters. They took care of him. They still take care of him. And then for, but that lasted until he arrived. And then. And do you remember the day that he, the hospital day? You know, I really don't remember that that well. You know, the actual moment of the so at what point did you guys become because there was such a big age gap i remember when i when wyatt was born you know i took care of him he was my little brother but i was always remembering i was always thinking i can't wait till he's older so i can go get a beer with him or i can go out with him

and hang out with him because i knew he was a good little kid was there a moment where you guys sort of clicked you know at an age where you were old enough or you kind of you know took him in and said, let's do that. We hung out a lot, despite the age difference, you know, because you like, we both like the ocean a lot. Yeah, I think that was probably the, the first connection was riding waves. I would go out, boge-boarding when he would go out surfing. Did you surf before you skated? Yeah, officially. Yeah, yeah. Um, standing up, sure. But around the same time as when I sort of figured them both out. Yeah. But it was, it was him that got me into surfing and skating. You grew up with

a brother old enough to where you probably looked so up to him. Or not? I don't know about that. Yeah. He was gone before I would have really been looking for that sort of guidance. He was always my cool brother

and he surfed and so I, when I first started going to the skate park which was kind of a huge step for me I would beg him to take me. But he didn't live in the area. So we made it. It was like once a week every Thursday. He would drive down and pick me up and take me to the skate park. And that was my, that was my outing to the skate park. And I remember

those days vividly. How old were you then? Probably 10. So I was in college. And you were in and where did you go to college? Um, U.C. Santa Barbara. Oh, actually, no. So that would have been after college, right? I didn't think, I think, I thought you were living in Encinitas. Yeah, I was. That's right. Yeah. So dude, I mean, basically you were like an only child. I mean, raised is sort of like an only child in a way with parents that were old enough to me my grandparents right so there was that element where they were much older they were still active but it did feel like that so what was that like though i mean were you just on your own ish with your friends or i mean kind of it was they were pretty lax mostly because they had already been through him and my sister's yeah and so many

challenges of parenting especially in the 70s yeah and so when i came along there was like just keep him busy right just go like whatever and so i was in baseball and basketball and then when i found skating they were like thank god all that energy is going to be going that direction yeah but the other thing that's really important to know about our dad especially was he whatever we did he was all in and supporting it so he would take me surfing at five in the morning and sit in the car he'd take me to surf contests my sister our older sister our our younger older sister pat was a rock and roll singer and he managed her band. He built her equipment. He would take her to her gigs. And then when Tony was 12, my dad, they moved to a new neighborhood. My dad actually was president of the

Little League and midway through the season. Tony said, Dad, I want to just skate. So quit the team. My dad said, fine, whatever you want to do. Quit the team and, but stayed on as the president of the Little League to finish out the year, and then went off to create the California Amateur Skateboard League, which is still in existence. Your dad, yeah, and then the National Skateboard Association. Because he just saw, he saw this lack of organization and this group of kids that were passionate about it, that he thought it was really positive. And he was like, why is there no competition series? Why is there no organization for these kids? And it's because

skating was at a lull, and all the parks were starting. starting to dry or close up. And any of the competition series that were happening had just long been gone because there were no sponsors to support them. So your dad was really the first entrepreneurial spirit of skateboarding and you just sort of carried that on. Not about money, I mean,

it was all non-profit. Yeah, but I mean, just in terms of his mind, like thinking about how you can create new opportunities for young skaters. Yeah, I don't even, I never, I never thought he thought of it there was going to be some lucrative thing for anyone. He just saw it as little league

where it's like these kids want to play and no one is helping them get it together. It's interesting though, you guys have sort of followed in his footsteps a little bit, right? I mean, with your foundations and what you're doing and creating parks, you know, aren't you building? Yeah, public skate parks and low-income parks and stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, I definitely, that was inspired by my dad's support. But the reason behind that, The main reason we had that is because I got very lucky in that where we lived in North County, San Diego, was near one of the last skate parks in the U.S. And I didn't really consider that at the time. I was just like, oh, skate parks open, we're going.

And that was my home away from home. That's where I spent all my time and where I found my crew, where I really formed my skate style and my tricks. and so that was never lost on me how lucky I was to have that facility and I wanted to provide when I finally had some sense of influence I wanted to provide that same opportunity

to kids all around the world but not not because I wanted them to be pro skaters just because I want them to have a place to feel a sense of belonging how old were you when you were forming your crew and you were like down there all the time and you got your little

from age well we moved when I was when I was 13 so from age 13 to 17 And did those boys sort of stay with you the whole time? I mean, are they some of the great skaters? A lot of them were there yesterday at our moms. That's what I mean.

Yeah, well, but not Del Mar locals. There are a few that became successful professionals. A lot of them are just running, like, a lot of them are running the skate industry. The manager of the skate park went on to become one of the most renowned skate photographers and started a magazine, Trans World Skateboarding is still one of the most legendary photographers.

So there's all these people that were there. Other people started skate companies and they're behind the scenes. But the local, they were just really creative. Like I just loved the crew. They were super creative. And I at one point figured out, before I could drive, I figured out which bus route from my school went closest to the skate park. And that's the one I took after school every day.

What was it? Like, what was it about skating that was like, oh shit, this is it? Little League's done I mean was what inside of you was like I need to do this all the time I think it was it was the well first and foremost

it was the immediate gratification of just getting on your board and going yeah and in baseball you're waiting for the pitch you know what I mean or you're relying on the team and while I know that's important aspect of sports or of developing

I just want to do my own way and I love that in skating I could totally develop my own style create my own tricks and still be part of this community that was supportive for the most part and I thought that and they were just cool I just you know I love the music that surrounded the place and people look different

and they thought differently and I kind of realized at some point like I don't care about top 40 music or mainstream sports this is my scene and even though it's small I don't care what would you remember what you were listening to back then like what the music was like the whole vibe you know what I mean yeah oh like I remember hearing like uh that's skate park uh Devo yeah dead Kennedy circle jerks um bad brains plays video game you'll find

out but that was probably different for you because you were sir i mean San Diego surfing in the 60s right so you were like late 60s yeah mostly through the early 70 that I really got into it in the early 70s early 70s so that that sir I mean that must have been amazing time in California music and that whole culture, right? Our sister Pat, who was a musician, had, she was just really pretty skinny white girl who with a voice that was, she sounded like Aretha Franklin. So she sang a lot of Motown. So I got really lucky in that regard because she would actually listen to 45s because

they were a cover band. And I would be there kind of. stopping the needle while she wrote down the lyrics. So I got to know, you know, Aretha, Diana Ross, Marvin Gay, all that stuff. So I was a little different than, I think, most of my friends when it came to music. It wasn't really hard rock so much. But anyway, you know, going up as a surfer back then was great because it wasn't that crowded. And it was kind of considered a cool thing to do.

Like, nothing I liked better than showing up at high school with Sandy Feet. Like, that was like a badge. You know, because I'd gotten up at dawn. When you talked about, one thing I wanted to say, you were asking Tony about the early days of skating. So when Tony was little, he was kind of a dick. He was, he was a terror. He was.

Yeah, got kicked out of a preschool. Definitely, I was just difficult. I was super, I mean, I had been diagnosed probably with all kinds of issues, ADD, or, you know, they just said you were hyper. He's hyperactive, he's hyper. Yeah. And so I just always was determined to get my way. and keep going.

And was stubborn. Yeah, and just, you know, at the cost of... But from my point of view, as an older brother, when he started getting good at skating

and, you know, not just getting, like, recognition, but making tricks that were really hard and satisfying his own desires.

He just turned into a different person. Like, skateboarding transformed you into the coolest kid as you were, like you got that out of your system. And then once he started getting some fame,

even though it was really initially just only among skaters. He just always was very gracious. I think you'd had a couple of skaters be dicks to you when you were young. And just like you were never going to do that. And you grew up, I think. That's cool. Now, how old do you think that that was? You were like 20.

He started in recognition when he was 13, 12, 13, 14, yeah. He turned pro at 14. Yeah. He was in Sports Illustrated at 16. What did pro mean back then? He was very young. Pro meant that you were now competing in a different class and you were

vying for $100 first place for his money. Wow. That was it. And so... And just cool as fuck. I went pro. I was filling out an entry form to a contest. I remember it was Whittier Skate City and a few of my friends had gone pro at that event

and I got to the part where it says little box the pro or amateur and I checked the pro box and that was it dude how great would it be that was like

you basically made yourself a pro there was no champagne there was no confetti it was like pro it out and then I remember I remember Stacey Prilett it was over my shoulder

and he's like okay yeah now you're competing against the dudes you see in the magazines yeah right and was it still a subculture back then

oh the It was probably the lowest point When I hit my stride Of, you know, as being an amateur And being a sort of younger Phenomenant skater Was when skating was at its absolute lowest point Oh, really?

But I didn't, I was 14, I didn't care. But, Tony, why do you think it was at the lowest point? Like, why do you think, you know? It was because one... Was it because the culture was looked down upon? That didn't help, but also it just, it was that skating had gone in cycles. It reached this peak in the 70s

because of surfing and because it was like... The whole dog town. Yeah. Trend, dog town and whatnot. And all these skate parks started opening. And then the skate parks lost their insurance because liability was crazy and people were getting hurt. And so skate parks started dying.

And with the skate parks dying, skating just took a downturn. This was before street skating. And street skating came into place. So around the years of 1980 to 85, 8485 were it's sort of this evolution where if you wanted to really skate, you had to work for it. You had to build your own ramps. You had to find the other skaters in your area or drive across the country to go find them. And so there was this, there was this hardcore crew, but they were evolving skating so much that you couldn't, it was hard to ignore.

where people started doing big aerials and flips and 540 spins and things like that and so then it re-emerged a lot of the reason re-emerged was back to the future in 1985 Bobby Z's in Meckis and the props. That's when I started skating.

That's right because he was on the back him holding the bumper on the back. I was like I'm going to find cars and just hold on the bumpers of cars and go 100 miles an hour. I remember, I mean, some of the first pictures we have of me is on like a Powell Peralta, like, you know, doing like, you know, posing. Because everybody was all the kids.

I got to learn that move, by the way, that's your one. By the way, try that one. That was quite the hood or not. You'll never get it. It is. It's a Hudson special. That's my Indy Kate Hudson. Totally.

The 80s was like, I mean, it was like, it was like skateboard, everything. It just blew up. So then there was a big resurgence in, say, 86 to sort of 90. And then again, skate parks came up, and again they closed. And then that's when street skating really took off. Because if you wanted to skate, people figured out that you could sort of use the urban landscape as a skate park. Because in the early 80s, when people weren't, they just built ramps. That's all they knew.

Build ramps to emulate pools. we skate but then when the 90s took off it was like street skating is all the rage because you don't there's no cost of entry yeah and video played a big role in it too video skate videos yeah because well that that that's that was part of it i mean everyone was filming everything back then and putting it i mean i don't know where you'd have to buy vhs that was that was when we shifted from relying on your competitive results to be recognized yeah so then it became well what's the new video's got the best part of videos coming out what are the new tricks and and you didn't have to compete to make a living or to be a name you could just put out

awesome videos and when did the board style change to sort of the trick board you know what i mean right then that early 90s so you know what one interesting uh little piece of history there did you see the bones brigade video the first one that powell put out in 84 palperalta right yeah 83 84 um so stacey came down to our parents house um for a contest that was at the oasis i think right and or were we no delmar delmar that's right it was the apartment it was the apartment yeah so and um the premiere of that video which which arguably was the first action sports video ever made that was out just for video the premiere was in our living room and it was like you know christian hasoi and stevie and the whole bones were gay crew

invited my parents I'm talking about a very small place in an apartment yeah but it's crazy I was so obsessed with all you fucking guys as a brother that's 12 years older did you ever worry about him in that environment

with the kind of crew and you know never no especially after he connected with Stacy Peralta you know Stacy was a good guardian what was that relationship like you know or is but what was it was it How did you guys meet and how did you get tight?

Well, skating, it was a very small community. So any skate event, everyone was there. And they usually moved around mostly in the skate parks of Southern California, Del Marlmar, Upland, Whittier, what else, Bigo, Marina Del Rey. Yeah, so it was just kind of like everyone was there. And then at one point, I remember distinctly Stacey asking me, I was sponsored by Dogtown at the time. That was my first sponsor.

and he sat next to me at Upland and said, how's Dogtown treating you? And I was just like, good, I don't know, how are they supposed to treat me? They give me skateboards. That seems good to me. And it was at that moment where I thought, was he actually inquiring?

Like, that he'd be interested. You know what I mean? To me, it was this major deal. And then like six months later, he called our house, you know, back then, long-tenths his phone call, Stacey Prelta's calling. And he said, hey, Tony, I heard Dogtown went out of business.

And I said, oh, that's why I haven't gotten any skateboards from them in the last month or so. And he said, oh, I'd like you to come up to Marina and talk about riding for Powell. And then, even then, 1981, Powell team was, that was the top. Like, that was the elite, Bones Brigade. They had Cab, they had Ray Bones, they had McGill, they had Rodney. It was just like, you know, they were, and it was just like, he wants to talk to me? Wow. And it was a shock because my style of skating was kind of mostly made fun of during that time.

Why? Because I was smaller and I figured out how to ollie into my aerials. So that was the only way I could get any height out of the pool. Right. Everyone else just used their weight and their speed. Yeah. And I didn't have the weight. So I just figured out how I could do these aerials by sort of allying into the air.

grabbed my board and everyone said that was cheating because he always and then he can just grab his board wherever and i was like that's the point right that's it and and and he saw something in that he saw that that was progressive right um when very few people did and so i just was like he he also saw your your determination and your resilience and you know sure but but it's the idea that that he was even interested yeah but there's a funny story about marina delray because marina was the hub of the Dogtown skaters. Even then, that was where you would catch those guys, where you'd catch Jay Adams,

and you would catch Tony Alva and Adelgaara and St. Sopreelta. And so we were there one time, and I was practicing for a contest, and all of a sudden, I was 12, I guess, then, yeah. And all of a sudden, all these hardcore punkers started coming into the park

and just sort of filling it in where you suddenly couldn't skate these bowls. And I remember Steve, look at me, he's like, we got to, we gotta go, we gotta get. We gotta, I don't know what's going on, but we should leave. And so we left, and we found out later they were having a Circle Jerks concert.

And, I mean, if you're a fan of punk rock, you'll know that all the guy, all the punkers standing in the bowl is the cover to Circle Juice group sex. Oh, no. That night. No, and you left. Wow. Well,

I thought it's gonna get killed. I know, you missed the show. We're going to get killed. You probably were going to get killed. My fault. I was the only surfer-looking dude in the whole place. Oh, really? Yeah, and also, from my perspective, like, I like the music, but all I want to do was skate.

So I was more annoyed that, like, why are these guys sitting in the bowl? What the hell? So I just like, let's leave. We can't even skate anymore. Oh, my gosh. Now, did you see his determination? Did you know early on, even before he knew that there was something special about the way he skated or his determination? Yeah.

I remember really specifically one moment where it was at OASIS when you were trying to learn front side rock and rolls on a little quarter pipe. My God, my kids are literally doing that right now. Oh, God. And I had, I'm pretty sure I was living down there. No, so you would have been how old nine. Was that rocks? Yeah. I was home from college.

And our mom had said, go get Tony. He's at Oasis. We're going to have dinner in like 20 minutes. so I sat there for 45 minutes going Tony we got to go and he was like I'm going to make this I'm going to make this and was falling and that's a pretty scary thing to come into the first time right you were all bloody especially with a 12 inch wide board at the time because we didn't know any better yeah yeah and crying like literally like have to make it and then pulled one this like calm this swept over him and he was like okay we can go now That still happens. Were you cautious? Or were you just a charger, like, fucking eat shit and get back up? I wasn't afraid to get hurt, but I wasn't throwing caution in the wind.

I was very calculated in terms of what I thought was possible and what I was capable of. I wasn't afraid to just fling my body up and try it. But I kind of knew the steps of what I was trying to create. And I got hurt plenty of times long away. I've had over 20 concussions for sure. You know that famous. That famous sequence when he made the 900 at the X-Games. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You just watched that with the boys. But that came with hundreds of attempts prior to that. Right. So that face he had when he was climbing up the stairs every time on the ramp before, it was exactly the face he had when he was 10 trying that frontside rock. Like, it was the same guy. That must feel so, to be the observer of that. I mean, when you have the kind of drive, it just exists, right?

I suppose. I guess I have a better perspective on having children and, seeing how they have all different versions of that and so I can see it where it's funny you say like one of your kids is more daring but the other one is actually better and um between my wife and I we have we have six kids total but uh at one point we had four teenage boys that were all skating together and it was funny because my youngest of them would try anything he doesn't care he's nutty he's he's he's nuts like he's really nuts but he would not he would not take the time he was like nodding Yeah, but he would not take the time to learn the foundational skills that he needed to really do these things.

So he would drop in on the absolute biggest ramp than anyone had at the time, but not know what to do on the other side and just like slam in the next wall. He would slide down giant ramps when he was like two. Yeah, and then the other kids are all learning and actually are better, you know, in terms of how well-rounded they are, but they're not that daring. and they would all say, oh, Kagan's so good. I'm like, you guys, Kagan's not that good. He's not. He's just crazy. You know, you guys have a healthy balance, and some of them had an unhealthy balance

the other direction, where it's like, you have everything it takes to do this. You just won't. Did you push them at all? Sure, yeah, absolutely. And the irony is that my oldest son, who was older than all of them, had the perfect mix of that. So he was my first son. And so I just thought that's how he's got what I have. Yeah.

Like he's determined, but he knows his limits and he knows what he's capable of. And I was like, so that's how all kids are, I guess. And then all these other kids came along. I was like, oh, no, that's not how they are. But you did push your other, your kids, your older kids are the ones who aren't. Well, I just pushed them into what I think they want to do. Right. And every once in a while, they'll ask me, please teach me how to do a disaster.

And so I will go do that. Other times I just give them pointers along the way, or I see them eyeing something up, and I tell them the best approach to it. And it's usually, it usually works, but sometimes it's just like, you don't, you're not really going to commit to that. Right. And I have to just tell them,

like, you're obviously, you can't just think the board's going to do it. Right. You have to participate in this thing. You have to figure it out. Did they, but hold what, did they ever, are they ever like, dad, fuck,

just, I, leave me alone type of vibe. I'm not, I'm not that pushing. No, but what I mean is, I err on the side of not being involved because I don't want them to think I'm projecting it onto them. Right. So I'll back off.

Right. Until they really ask. Well, it's just similar. Unless I see a glaring mistake. Right. If I see something glaring mistake, please set up your feet this way. Yeah.

I'll watch him. He's like the Jedi master when it comes to, if someone's doing something, he'll just say, just lean forward just a little bit, you know, and a little more weight on your front foot and like the next time the kid will get it.

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Two boys. Two girls. And what is the closeness factor? Who is the closest? we're all really close but i would say that tony and i are closer than pat and lenore are closer because they're the age thing part of it and also because we're just interests interest yeah yeah i mean he still is heavily into surfing i mean you were the editor of a surfing magazine well was yeah so i mean that's pretty awesome yeah how did that happen

that's amazing so uh did you travel everywhere You know, I signed off on a lot of trips, but when I was actually editing, it was a pretty busy job, so I looked at a lot of great photos from all around the world. When I was there, I didn't travel out. I have traveled a lot to surf, but actually not for the magazine that much. I did a couple of choice trips. But I got the job because I had been a newspaper reporter, and I was doing some freelance work for surf magazines on the side, and the job came up. and actually a headhunter reached out. But I remember calling up, like, some friends.

Because every newspaper I worked at, I was like the token surfer. I would write all the surf stories. They're like, ask. And I called up a friend and said, dude, I just got like the dream job. And he said, what, like editor of a surfer or something? As a matter of fact.

Yes. Now, how many kids do you have? I have two. And then how many kids do the sisters have? They both have two. 12 kids all together who was the

oldest of your nephew he and I have it was funny because we're the younger siblings and we had our kids

first well Lenore oh Lenore that's right I always think Lenore like they they're

they skipped the generation yeah no no sorry her sons are so much older that they have

kids now so I forget that that's even the thing yes Lenore had her kids first I apologize

but it was funny because when when we did it excluding Lenore when we had kids and then Pat had kids after us we're teaching her

just techniques of toddlers and doing things and it was just always like, I'm so much younger than her. Leave me alone. Why did you leave Surfer Magazine? What happened? Your time ran out there and you're moving on?

Yeah, I did eight years and I actually, I had an epiphany one day at a meeting we were planning our annual North Shore issue because we would always go the North Shore of Oahu and I had like

I had on my house and I had all the our writers and photographers around the table and I just thought I don't care that much about how good this issue is because I've done it

like this would be the eighth time and I suddenly had this vision to myself as like this kind of bald guy with a baby ponytail you know in my 40s trying to talk surf to the Groms and

and I just said I gotta go I gotta do something else I gotta go actually surf yeah now you made a pact with him to come down once every two weeks

or once a week when I was a kid yeah he would drive me to skate park once a week and was that something that you Tony were like you're gonna come down from college or you're gonna come down from

Encinita yeah and if he couldn't then I demanded that my mom did yeah and she was working so it was not easy and what did your mom do uh she was a secretary at a high school and then

she became a night school teacher at a college she got her phd in her 60s and then yeah eventually got her PhD but um she was always working and so it was just sort of like for lack of it or word i was a latchkey kid in that sense but at some point i demanded that i get rides to the skate park and then those increased in frequency yeah to the point where that was when my dad did he was he was the chauffeur right he was my uber he was a skate park uber yeah you said if it wasn't for your parents that you would never be oh absolutely i none of my friends parents wanted them skating they thought it was a negative influence they thought it was for outcast losers and so they would rely on my dad for rides to the skate park did you ever get like oh god i just want to

be alone at the skate park with my no i wanted with my friends it was just at some point my dad's involved involvement became, seemed to be too intrusive. Right. Because he was at every event. He was all, and at some point he was running the events and they're like, oh, that's weird. You won. Right. So that got weird for a little bit.

Now, doesn't your sister work with you now? She has for the last 20 years. She is literally retiring tomorrow. Really? Yeah. Tomorrow is her last day in the hot family. Wow. Whoa.

Yeah. and so she's handing over to other people that we work with that I trust. She's amazing. But she did, I mean, she really, what happened was she got pregnant with twins. She was singing at the time for Michael Bolton. She was the backup singer for Michael Bolton.

She did the Dury Dancing Tour. And then she got pregnant, and she decided, I have to stay home. I can't tour like that anymore. And she saw my career starting to take off in a totally different way than was connected with skateboarding. And she said, I want to help you because I know the entertainment industry

and what you're doing now is reminiscent of entertainment events, as opposed to just skate events. And so she became my business partner. She had a better idea of, I hate to use the word of my worth, of what I could be out there getting and what kind of opportunity was opening up. She's like a brand builder. Yeah. And so we started, we started,

the um she was there right when i got the video game deal um she was a partner in starting the boom hook jam tour uh hot clothing was actually started in her garage right amazing yeah and the video game deal though was a what was how when was that that was that was a long that was a while ago that was that was 1990 I signed the contract in 98 the video game yeah for Activision so so you as I recall correct me if I'm wrong you she connected you with William Morris right before that deal came down. Yes. And Activision wanted to pay him a single fee buyout.

The contract was a good deal. I can't remember what the guarantee was. It was probably a lot more than I ever seen before. And then as we got closer to the release, they could feel the momentum building and felt like they had a hit coming out. And then they called me and they said, we want to offer you a buyout. And that was the William Morris called me. They said, hey, Activision just offered you half a million dollars for future royalties forever.

and I never heard anyone say half a million dollars before it sounded like someone saying a gazillion dollars right right and and and I had just bought a new house I had a pretty steady income of endorsements and competition earnings and licensing and I thought I'll just I'll let it ride why not like I'm okay I'll bet on myself I didn't and also I wasn't looking for some great payout anyway It was just kind of like, no, let's just go for it. I, it was the biggest, it was the best financial decision of my life. Oh my God. But what was the moment? Because I don't know, we haven't talked about this yet. The moment that you became what you are, what you have now sort of what you've been, what you've realized. When did Tony Hawk become, that was it.

Holy shit. You were now on the scene. You're the number one dude. You know what I mean? You become a. brand so to speak um well i i had i guess i had a name recognition carried over from the 80s with my right career so when it went into the 90s when they started the x games it was sort of like i was the name that people already knew so they were sort of focusing on that but i was still improving

so i did well in all the contests and so in that respect that's kind of what put my on the x games put me on the yeah more mainstream radar because it was televised and people could actually see which you're doing. Yeah, from say 96 to 99-ish. Yeah. And then 1999 was the year that I made the first 900 at the X-Games and our game was released

just a couple months later, which was total coincidence. It was like the perfect storm. Yeah. And not long after that is when I noticed the shift of recognition that was way beyond anything

I ever imagined where people were stopping me on the street in the airports. Bro, Tony Hawk Pro Skater! 900 it was it got crazy how was that for you um did you indifferent did you like it it was fun it just felt it felt strange to me because i had already lived through this wave of success that i thought was massive in the 80s and then all of a sudden it was on this different scale where i was doing letterman yeah and jimmy kimmel and i was in you know what i mean i was in people

magazine how old how old were you when i was 31 and so it then it felt like aren't i old you know what I mean like at that point in skateboarding if you were past your mid-20s it was over for you because because there was no living to be made people see me now and they get confused because they're like oh how did he's so old and I was like I was old when you found out about me and Steve where were you when

where were you at during this during this time when Tony was started to blow up were you at surfer then? see when you really blew up and though I was um that was when swell.com started yeah I was doing a website that's why I left surfer to go start to okay which is now surfline dot com but I um I will say this from from our sisters and my perspective when there were several times over the course of tony's career when lenore and pat and I would look at each other like can you believe this like it's it's he'll never be bigger than he is right now I remember in the 80s there was a vision contest in

Irvine. In the finals, it was you and Christian Hussoy. And there were 6,000 kids in this arena. And at one point in the finals, you know, two-thirds of them were standing up going, hawk, hawk, hawk, hawk. And I went backstage out first and I said, you were 19. I remember, I said, you might as well just kill yourself right now because that's it. As good as it's going to get. It's as good as it's going to get, you know. And then like two years later, he's like, no wait now this new thing is happening makes that look like nothing the X games, the 900

and now he's skating in the Obama White House, you know? Oh, yeah. Oh, right. I remember that. Was there ever any envy for you as an older brother? Thankfully, I think because it's 12 years no, none, nothing but kind of pride all the time. I could watch him skate all day long. Do you think if you were younger it might have felt a little bit different? Maybe. Yeah, I guess it's

sort of, you wouldn't really know. It's kind of like our parents didn't instill that in any of us, you know, like, I'd love, I've spent countless hours watching my sister Pat sing. Yeah, I don't think Steve really crave the spotlight, but Pat certainly did, and still does. Did you guys get a voice or no? I did the mass singer. No, you did. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You did that. I remember the first one out. You were? I did the mass singer. I don't know if you knew that. Did you know? I was the when you mentioned it to Kathy, his wife, who's...

She is not, she was not down. She was like, still not down. Why? Why did you do this? It's just, she grew up, Detroit, punk skater. It was like, why are you doing some mainstream thing? Right. You're like, it's a challenge.

I think it's cool. And also, I sang a cure song. So I feel like I brought a little bit of alternative flavor. What is that? Friday I'm in love. Oh, my God. So I feel like, I feel like I brought my own flavor to it. And I'm like, all right.

I did it. Were you nervous at all? I was super nervous, but I just kept practicing and they had a really great vocal coach helping me and my sister was helping me. I heard the playback on mine. I was like, you know what? Not bad. I did it.

Yes. But you were the first one out? It was more that they wanted me to sing something a little more high energy mainstream. And probably because they knew that I wasn't going to keep going. But does your competitive spirit, that kid in the bowl that won't like stop? When you're the first one out, are you like, that's. fucking bullshit or does that I didn't I didn't hear the other everyone else I heard a snippet of a couple people and I could tell that almost all of them were really good singers and there was one other person

that wasn't a great singer but they sang 50 cent and I was like yeah that's not fair and because they sang you know what I mean like song choice that was it yeah it was like they were kind of playing to the and I respect that and so at some point I was like well maybe I should do this other song that they suggested for me that's more high you know more cheap thrills and I and then and that was when I made the determination like fuck it I'm going to stay true to who I am and if I'm out I'm out yeah that's when so that's not a competitive thing right up you fuck yeah yeah yeah probably right if you were on American Idol they would have been like song choice Tony song choice yeah maybe but they didn't guess who I was

so that was kind of cool that's good that's good They thought I was either Dave Grohl or Travis Barker, and I was like, well, that's cool. They both things, right? That's cool. I was camping this last weekend, actually, which was great, but I will say it was nice to get home because I went from a pad on the ground

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you're like, I just want to get back in the bowl. I don't want to be looking at these numbers or approving this visual. I don't want to do that. Yeah, last week was like that. Yeah. Well, one, as we were preparing for my mom's service, but also just the things that sort of ramped up and that I got sort of random requests for that I couldn't turn down were invading on my time just to go skiing. and that's really hard for me and that's kind of where I've been grounded

and I have to walk the walk if I'm going to do this stuff. For sure, you're right, but at the same time there are moments in my day where I go like, for instance, a couple weeks ago in this timeline

I took my daughter to school you know, we had a normal day I took my daughter to school then I drove to L.A. and dressed up in an elephant costume and sang on national TV and then got back home. home in time for a regular dinner to put the kids to bed and wake up the next day I do and I'm just like no one else has this life yeah no one else or no

actually the day before that I was shooting the video the cover to our video game that's what that's what those three days what how it happened and there was a moment where I was like this is this is a crazy life this is in like there's no way I would ever imagine doing any of it um but I love it what what do you do to be the to be able to get into that mind space where you're where you used to just be able to get on the board and go and not and not resent that you can't do that anymore do you know what i'm saying i think i just what the opportunity that's presented to me i make it my own okay and that's the best explanation for instance if i have some opportunities to do a promotion that involves social media or whatnot i demand that it's my creative It's in my own voice. And if you take it or leave it, because it has to be authentic.

And then if they're agreeable to that, this is just one example, then I find that a fun challenge. How do I formulate this to make it represent what I do, but also be authentic and get whatever messaging they want it to, but that I believe in it. And that is a delicate balance, especially in skating. Like everyone wants to call you a sellout immediately. I mean, that is the, you know, skating is the most hardcore activity, culture, lifestyle, whatever, and the people are quick to judge. Even now? Can you be a sellout nowadays in skating or surfing? I mean, can you?

There's less of that narrative, but every once in a while, you know, someone will do a, it's just, see, for me, for me, I saw, I saw the rise, I saw the rise of skating. I saw the rise of, of the endorsements. and how far they resonate. And then I saw people making choices or agreeing to do stuff that just didn't have integrity and didn't represent skateboarding very well. And I think those were my warning signs. And I made plenty of those mistakes,

especially in the 80s, but luckily there was no YouTube. Right. What were some of your regrets in that field? Do you remember any specific things where you look back on? You're like, oh, fuck. Oh, so many. I can't even believe. I mean, I did a promotion with Fruit Loops

where I was talking about Toucan Sam like he was this new extreme athlete for real you know what I mean it wasn't like commercial it was like I had to be it was like now what is it that when you look at the life that you have lived

to date what is it that you now look forward to as the next step of your life together as siblings all of you guys I mean everything is kind of a nice surprise it's hard to say we're we're reaching we're going towards some goal i i can't i have no idea

yeah future holds but i know that i know that i'm going to have fun yeah i i reached a point where i i have the freedom to choose and to say no if necessary when i was growing up especially at that age like 20 i couldn't say no the hustle right i was just yeah it was the hustle and just going and at some point you start to lose yourself and you start to lose your integrity because you just don't even know what really is of quality anymore. And for sure I went through those years and Steve was

the first to point it out where it's like, do you really want to be promoting this stuff? Were you a grounding element? I never felt like overtly show. It was more with the foundation. Yeah. And it was just more like what what is the social responsibility here?

What is the message? Explain the foundation a little bit, you know? Like what is the foundation? What are the goals of the foundation? Well, the mission statement is pretty simple. It's to promote and help finance public skate parks and low-income areas within the United States. So it's domestic.

To date, we've helped to fund over 900 parks and given away... Close to $7 million. Wow. With the Ralph C. Wilson more. Yeah, it might be up to eight or nine now this room. Wow. But we don't, we very rarely fund entire parks. It's mostly people will come in.

Our maximum gift for a long time was $25,000, and a good skate park costs at least $4,000 or $500,000. But having a check from Tony Hawk Foundation would go a long ways to getting more money and keeping the things going. But we're right on the verge of, we just did a big strategic plan to try to really expand it

because we've got an incredible crew there running the show And they're really good at navigating municipalities that want to get a skate park built or someone or a parent who wants to get a skate park built. We know how to help them do it. So we got this machinery in place and we really feel like if we could get more money into that machine, we could do 10x. We could spend 10x what we're spending now without really staffing up that much because we've got into, we could just do whole parks. And what happened was this foundation, the thing that really was a light bulb moment for. for us was the Robert C. Wilson Foundation. Ralph C. Wilson, yeah.

Yep. Ralph C. Wilson Foundation came to us and said, we want to give away a whole bunch of money in the Northeastern, the Buffalo, New York, Detroit. Detroit area. And we want you to tell us where to put it. So we hired one staff guy. He's gone out there and we're actually just funneling their money. But it's our machinery.

This is so great. Because there's nobody in the world who knows more about how to get a public skate park built than the three guys who work on the program side of the Tony Accommodation. For sure. They know how to raise money. They know how to talk to city councils. So we're actually, I think we're going to rebrand. We might

rename the foundation. Oh, really? Take Tony's name off it. Because people think he's funding it. And he's really not. Yeah, it's hard to raise funds. We're like, well, Tony's rich. Yeah. Why doesn't he pay for it? Do you find that that's happening? Like, you're actually losing out because there is that stigma? I think that there is a stigma.

Especially with donations what we call micro donations where we're trying to inspire people to just give a little bit right have you guys like this ground new ground swell of skaters I mean it's pretty big right I mean this it feels only because my kids

are obsessed with it's happening now it's like every fucking wait till the Olympics happen well that's the thing is that's what I was I was so amazed with all your kids and they all skate at least a little bit yeah that to see that

that they choose that as readily as they choose baseball is still amazing to me like I'm still blown away by that even though it's been coming for a long time when I was a kid you skated and that was that was your identity and you were we call bullied now you were picked on

endlessly for being a skater and there were only a couple of you in the school and you had to hide out can I say something as it's the opposite I want to say something as a proud as a proud big brother I have a lot of proud big brother moments

but you know skateboarding is where it is now largely because of Tony. You know, I mean, he was the face of it for a long time. And I think the sport got really lucky that it was him because he's a really good ambassador. He's articulate. He's a good dad.

He sets a good example. He's in it for all the right reasons. And he doesn't make any real mistakes in the public eye. You know, like, there are a lot of fuck-ups out there. Oh, yeah. So he's not in it for the chicks. He still has time. For the what?

He's not in it. I tried to be as a teenager and it just wasn't working out. No, but it's so amazing because I think too, like you see that from a sibling perspective, which is if anyone knows Tony Hawk, it's going to be. Yeah, and I see him give speeches now in front of thousands of people and he doesn't need notes. It's just really good at it. Yeah, like all the time, I swell with pride watching Tony do his thing. Do you believe in.

I wish Kate did that for me. I mean, I really do. Do you believe in divine, you know, divinity, like that things are meant to be what they're meant to be? Not entirely. I think I believe in that I got lucky in a lot of ways, but I worked my ass off through the difficult times. I never gave up.

And that is what I attribute my success to, is that just there was this perseverance that I couldn't, I couldn't quit it. even when it was no money to be made, even when I had to provide for a family, I had to get out there and skate. And yes, the idea that skating came back around

and we got insanely successful and lucky with having a video game series, all those things, but I did work for those things. And I saw them as windows of opportunity that if I could grab them and make them of the quality I imagine they would be successful.

So I'm not trying to take all the credit, I'm just saying like I just kept out and I just kept working and there's something to be said for that especially with new generation is just like just do what you love doing and that will be the definition of success that's right if you're able to do that for a living you're going to love what you do even if it's not like you're making even it's not the most financially successful thing you could do you're going to be way happier in it yeah no my dad I love to fish a big fisherman and my dad Kurt when I was trying to figure out life and he goes go to fucking Costa Rica and fish

that's what you love to do and I'm like I can't do that that's absurd but I should have gone to Costa Rica you still can't yeah I love what I do but that's not that hard to attain I know but you still have hope

do you still skate every day I try yeah like I said do you still do stuff do you still push it where you're like fuck I shouldn't try this I'm 51 years old but I'm going to I push myself in sort of a in a different I don't want to muted but more technical way

where I do tricks that are way more difficult and require a different skill set than what people are used to seeing that's these huge air type of maneuvers that are high impact. So what I'm doing now is sort of shifted my style into more low impact technical moves

that are probably better appreciated by the skate community as being progressive but they give me that what I need. Did you see the video? He dropped Tony Hawk does 50 tricks at age 50? No. So 50 tricks that he had learned over the years,

but all wearing the same outfits, so you know he was doing them now. And they were all tricks that he invented. That's amazing. But that was cathartic because there are a few of those tricks that I did in that that, that I realized, I don't want to do this one ever again. Oh, really?

Yeah. Yeah. So that was the last one for that one. That was it? Like, I'd say at least four of them. Have you taken any diggers in your later, lately? Oh, yeah. I split my eyebrow open just in November.

You did doing what? Skating a pool. Are you just bailed, Vell, and that was that? No, it was a little bit stickier than I anticipated, and I came in on a trick, and my wheels, I kind of, I slide my wheels on the way in on that trick, and my wheels didn't slide, but I didn't take that into consideration. And so my foot actually, front foot came off, but I was already committed to coming in. And I had a helmet on, but I hit the bottom.

I mean, I hit so hard, my helmet fell, slid up. And then all of a sudden, there's just blood dripping down my eye. And I got, I was like, and it's pretty basic. It's just a frontside lip slide. I was like, I'm fucking lip slide. Like, my head is bleeding. And I come out. But the interesting thing about that is that I was out of public skate park.

And a bunch of kids had realized I was there and started texting their friends and whatnot. And so all these people were starting to arrive. And I come out of the bowl. dripping blood and the interesting aspect about all that is that nobody cared they were like can I get a photo

can I get it this didn't matter at all oh just blood all over your face yeah and so I had a sweatshirt in my bag and I put the sweatshirt up to it to stop the bleeding and just took a bunch of selfies

trying to get out of there so it was just like and there's plenty of photos and he just bleeding down my eye and it was just such a I was so fascinating finally like someone's mom was like are you okay and the kids just thought that was a day in life that's so funny what you think about the new the new generation of skaters now like where are they pushing stuff to limits they're always pushing to limits that are just they're

doing stuff that we were doing in our video game 20 years ago that we thought like this is crazy can you imagine no one will ever do this yeah and now that's what they're doing just crazy technical combos, you know, super tech, flip tricks, landing into grinds, flipping out. Yeah. In order to even land those tricks and complete those tricks, don't you have to just eat shit a lot? Because, you know what I mean? Yes and no, I mean, and some of them, yes, because they're big handrails and big gaps or big aerial type of stuff. Some is just footwork and super technical, and it takes a thousand attempts to get one.

Yeah. But if you get it on video, you got the glory. Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's all about getting it on the video. That's the one thing. This always seemed a little strange to me that people can land one trick once after a thousand tries and then never do it again. And then it's like a thing.

Like, I made that. When I was talking about how I've sort of shifted my style, most of those tricks that I've done in the last, I'd say, four years, I'm not one done. Yeah, that was it. Oh, really? No. It was just too much work to get the one. It's too much work.

Yeah. And it's just like, I can't put myself. through it again. Wow. Is there anything that's happening in today's skate culture that you don't like? Where you're like, I don't like this. I wish it wasn't happening. You know what I mean? Even the attitudes or I don't know. I mean, I, maybe it's so diverse. I can't. There's no way. There's just sound like a curmudgeon if I was like, this is a, you know, don't do this. It's just, I feel like skating has taken, has become this lifestyle and this, this culture that's so diverse and so inclusive

that I love how far it's come. Dude, I can totally understand that because I've been with my boys now at these skate parks and stuff, and it is so unbelievably inclusive. Everyone is so nice, and everyone is ready to help everyone else.

And hide for you. It's dope. Let's talk about the game. We're 21 years out from the first game release, which was only on the early systems on PS1, eventually Nintendo 64 and so now we have a chance

to do all the same mechanics same skaters, same tricks, same levels, same maps for the newer systems so PS4, Xbox 1, Nintendo Switch, scheme and it's so it's so fun to see all of that come to

this super detailed and amazing motion and graphics and you know because and people have been asking for it for a very long time. Oh, this is such a, this is a big deal. This is huge. Yeah, so we did Tony Hawk Pro Skater one and two as one game remaster.

With all the original lineup, and then we're getting new skaters as well. What about the soundtrack? What's that? And the soundtrack? Are you singing on the soundtrack? No, no. No, soundtrack, but also newer stuff. So we're coming of age.

So new music? New music. But soundtrack, you're meaning like old. the old music. Yeah, the stuff you knew Goldfinger, Melanchol, and Dick Kennedy's Rating Against the Machine.

Yeah, it's super. Oh, this is going to be so, people are going to go crazy. For people like myself, there's a nostalgia, but you're also bringing in. The idea is that there is this reverence for the game

and the series, and people want it in the newer systems, obviously, but also there's just a whole new generation that doesn't know that game at all, and the only skate game they ever played was the EA version. and so they're going to get to experience what this is like.

Yeah, my kids have games just on their mobile devices where it's just like a skateboard. True skate. Yeah, exactly. And they do little kick flips and whatever. So I'm really excited to bring THPS to this new generation. Yeah. And we have Vicarious Visions is just the exact right group to do it.

Let's do our speed round. Okay, one word to describe the other. Thoughtful, kind. Oh, I love it. Which sibling do you fight with the most? Pat. I want to meet Pat. Why is that?

Why? Why? I mean, she's just a forest. I'll tell you a story about Pat. When she was, at one point he was doing, she was in conversation to get him sponsored by a surfboard company that will remain unnamed. And I knew the guy who had a marketing there who was, went off. He was early adopter of ink, like had full sleeves back in.

the 90s and was kind of known as being a pretty tough guy in the surf world he had one conversation with Pat over the negotiations and I ran into him a couple weeks later and he goes yeah so I met your sister Pat yeah dude she's gnarly yeah I didn't have on your side yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean she would take a bullet for him so I mean that's who you want running shit yeah I mean she she she does I and I am the one well when we were in business together, I had them one to keep her in check, too. So she doesn't hold, but she speaks your mind. You'd love her.

You had to pull back all the rain. I have a feeling. Okay. Who's more adventurous? Wow. When it comes to wilderness me. Really? He's surfed Alaska.

He's surfed the Antarctic. Yeah. But he's crazier. He's jumped between two four-story buildings on a skateboard. You know, he did a full loop. Oh, just that anxiety. How far apart were the building? 16 feet

really yeah in downtown LA yeah no net the more the thing that surprised more not that I did it but that I got we got permission to do it who's more spontaneous Tony yeah

for sure yeah competitive I could yeah I have I feel like that that was my whole that was my brand growing up so if I'm if I'm playing a game

I want to win my wife won't play scrabble with me, because I get what she called Scrabble Jaw. Oh, oh. Just like, turns up. Yeah, yeah. Okay, which sibling would you call to bail you out of jail? Pat, because she could probably talk her way out of bail. Yeah.

Well, it depends. Okay, how big is the bail? Oh, there you go. Now, now I see what's happening. Who's better at making decisions? Uh, I don't know. Tony. Tony. Who's better?

Tony. I can be pretty wishy-washy. I'm better at making decisions quickly. Okay. Who is better taste of music? I got my original taste of music from Steve, so I'm going to go with him. He brought me to my first concert, which was the cars. At the sports arena. That's the best.

Who's more laid back? I'm going to say Steve. I think it's a tie. Oh, wow. We're both pretty chill. Yeah, I'm pretty chill, yeah. It's funny. I don't really like stress at all.

We got the chill gene in our two. other sisters, our two sisters got the buzz like bee gene. Oh really? Yeah. Was mom a buzzy B? And was dad laid back or vice versa? Dad got shit done, but he was kind of a grump. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, he's just people, he's just rubbed like, he was just gruff. Yeah. Yeah. I said last night, so at his funeral, I said that everything my father taught me can be summed up in three words. Pull my finger. Sounds like me.

Is that about, right? Who's more rebellious? Tony? For sure. I suppose. Tony. But maybe you and your youth in the 70s. Oh, yeah.

He was pretty wild. He was smoking weed. I would come visit him in Santa Barbara when he was in college. I was like 11 or 12 and they're just in the smoking weed. This is like 1978. I'm pretty sure we put you under a cardboard box once and we're blowing smoke. but what about when you were 12 what about when you were in the when you were young i mean growing up the skate culture was it drinking drug drugging was it all was it that stuff you had to

stay away from it was you tempted was it like tony fucking do this it was easy for me to stay away from because all i really cared about was proving myself through my skating and i saw plenty of my peers doing that stuff and losing their ability to skate either quickly or slowly but i just I could tell it affected them, and I was like, I'm not, I'm not doing that. Yeah. I won't be able to skate tomorrow. I won't, you know,

I won't be able to skate next year. Yeah. I think really lucky you fell in with the Bones Brigade and that whole crew because Stacey was, it wasn't like he was strict, but he picked good kids and there's not a lot of, like. Yeah, but, you know, we were growing up with Christian Osoy and Mickey Alba and Z boys,

and it was like, everyone's, they're smoking me before they do a run. And it was like, I can't. Right. I don't know what that means. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Tony, you're clean.

You're so clean And you are You're like the best poster child for the sport Oh he's got some skeletons Come on I don't know I didn't always make the best decisions But I would be able to skate through all of it So what album or song

Would be the soundtrack to your brother's life It would have to be a steely dance song Yes I don't know which one Is there like holding back the ears or something like The lyrics are all ironic it can um well it can just be an album it could be steely dan i like steely dan that's so great exemplar oh you know what i take it back though it would be tom ways yeah um tom whites growing up

the only reason i even know tom whites is because steve what's there a song in particular that oh how would you oh tom wait kentucky avenue what's that kentucky avenue probably kentucky avenue um so uh it would be um divo and it would be the one that you just played with Mark. Oh, Freedom of Choice. Freedom of Choice, yeah. Freedom of Choice was the first recorded music I ever heard at the Skate Park

because they used to play FM radio and then they played the Freedom of Choice album. It was 1980 and I remember going to the pro shop like, what are you playing? What is this? I want this album and I use my paper out money to buy it. And it became, then that's the soundtrack to your life. Do you still have your first skateboard?

It's at the Smithsonian. He gave it to me. Oh, really? You gave him his first board? He kept it. That's the crazy thing. Holy shit. It was a Bane.

So we both went to D.C. and handed it to the Smithsonian. Wow. It said the Smithsonian. Yeah. How fucking cool is that? That was a cool moment. I mean, how did you even think to keep it? You know what I mean?

That's pretty gnarly. He skated it there. It was all, and it was some old ball bearings things where you took the nut out, the ball bearings would fall out, right? wasn't the yeah it had wooden riser pads it was like four inches wide bayne board and we were just about to hand it to him and then i was like one last ride because they had they had a little ramp there for the ceremony yeah and i and they were they were shitting yeah they were shitting what i mean what do you do or are all of your decks i mean i usually

just give them away i i i give mine to whatever charities or to you know at the event i'll give to someone yeah yeah yeah so i don't i have very few that i've kept you don't even have old school decks of yours that like are special in some sort of a way or first editions or boards that you made or only in that I'm trying to have collected one of each and usually it's just a new one it's not one I rode yeah so

I don't really... Dude they're going for I mean I looked on eBay dude they're fucking expensive for like two grand Bing's whole thing is like he has his old skateboard and he's like I gotta break it and put it on my wall on a heart I'm like no no no it needs to break you don't break

the board. Yeah, no, I saw him trying to jump on a board the other day, like trying to snap his board. I'll show him the easy way to do it. Oh, really? Can you? I actually have a way to break my board while I'm skating that looks like an accident. And I've done it in the past to get out of doing demos. Like, because we'll be doing a demo at some thing and there's no end in sight.

And the organizers are just like, yeah, I just keep skating. So I'll have this move where it looks like I do a big trick and I land wrong and the board breaks. Oh, you know how to do it. That's so good. I've done it so I usually I did it through the 90s a lot I didn't know that that's awesome or like I'll be skating

and then I remember one time we were skating at this weird sort of bar thing and there was a band playing and I'm skating with Christian Osoy and Jeff Grasso and someone else and they just got wasted took like two runs

and then just dove into the crowd so I was left on my own skating this ramp that I was not having it was smoky and finally I just was like doing the move I broke my board good night do you remember a time when you were your most nervous

like just you were like I don't know if I can you know drop in or just fucking I think my first contest really yeah because I just didn't understand I'd understand strategy I didn't understand confidence and I was just like okay I'm gonna go and I end up bailing on twice on a trick that

I could do every time in my sleep and it taught me a lesson and taught me like oh you gotta you gotta practice and you got to get confident you got to figure this out are there any competitions that you because you let it all go as an athlete but that you've lost that you that you shit the bed and it's stuck with you know what i mean anything big where you're like you can still even remember one of those one of those big vision events i um missed a pretty basic trick it was like one of the biggest events it was the first one not the one he's talking about but the first one they

had in an arena and they built this big ramp and they had you know it was it was the biggest event at the time probably like three or four thousand people there and and and i one of my run just missed a mixed twist. Like, something I would never, ever miss. And I remember as I took off and my board left my feet, I was like, no. So I ended up getting fourth place and that was pretty disappointing at the time. Okay, so if you were to cast your movie, it's the movie of your life and you both are the main characters, who would you cast as your characters? current day actor

I would say Rory Culkin For you? Yeah Oh for you Yeah That's a good one I like that

For Steve I always thought Alan Aldo was Steve So I was gonna say Alan Aldo He's a little old now Wow Okay But growing up

Growing up watching MASH I was like Oh Dave Oh my God Dude is like 95 Yeah But in Mash I know exactly

Which is in There's an Al Totally That's amazing Fuck you, too. Not current al-Balda. No, what's his name? At the end of the Big Loboski, the cowboy.

I get Sam Elliott. That's all I know. Sam Elliott's awesome. And if we could just forego a time and space continuum, I would say Anthony Michael Hall in his weird science days. That was me. That was me for sure. That's really good.

Oh, or I'll take Sean Panna's Spicoli. There you go. So we're in. Anthony Michael Hall and Sean Penn. Perfect. I love it. Michael Hall and Sean Penn. Okay.

Now, there's two parts to this question. One is if you could alleviate something from your brother that you felt would expand his life, what would that be? And then the other question is if you could have something of your brother. Equality. A quality for yourself. What would you take? I think the thing I would alleviate is his, not fear, but his dislike of a kind of hardcore, grueling outdoor adventure. Because I just did a boat trip to Alaska surf trip that was one of the best surf trips I've ever had.

And I tried to get him to go and he wouldn't because it was not comfortable living corridors. but it was just his pitch his pitch was well it's a converted fishing boat and where they used to keep the fish they've converted that into a sauna and so you can hang your wetsuit there to dry that's it right that was it not there's a there's a really good chef right there's no food awesome sleeping quarters you can dry your wetsuit in the boat that sounds awesome I'm gonna pass and then the second half of that was um his some of his

physical skills I wish I were the athlete that he is yeah although he can surf like motherfuckers do you serve big wave yeah he does no not really he surfs big waves

he's pat he's I mean, he's going to Alaska, he's traveling the world. Oh, what? When to have a real, he caught a massive hollow way. Really? Yeah. And cloud break. Really.

One thing you'd like to alleviate from your brother. I think his indecisiveness, just ability to just kind of almost in a sense, like, give no fucks. Like, yeah, do that. This. Because I've heard him sort of be his own worst enemy of trying to make a decision going round and around and then, and then at some point maybe not going forward with it. Like, yeah, just go for it. Yeah. Okay. And then a quality that you would love if you have. Oh, his literacy. He's the best writer. Oh, I love this because the things that you both excel in are things that you admire on each other. It's so nice.

Yeah. I mean, I've learned to be an okay writer just by watching him. Like, yeah, it's pisses me off now because he'll send me something and say, hey, can you give this an edit? And I'm like, dude, I'm the writer. Stop. Right. This is, I don't. I really can't fix it. Leave me alone. I mean I just met you guys But Steve seems very soul Like a very soulful person Am I wrong about it? Totally soulful

I'm so soulful Soulful Like just Come on I'm sure what that means Like Oliver Just a soulful like Until he's like two

Whiskey's deep Really? No You guys thank you so much This was awesome This was such a honor And it's so nice getting to know you guys Yeah you too

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