Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Two Knights the Knight

Episode Date: January 29, 2024

Bound by blood and talent, brothers Jonathan and Jordan Knight have seen it all as founding members of 'New Kids on the Block.'The siblings reveal lots of boy band scoop.What led to Jordan's jail time? How did Jonathan face his sexuality? How did he overcome career-ending anxiety?And why are they ready to do it all over again as New Kids prepare to hit the road?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're just not. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry.

No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Revelry That's good Ollie we are on vacation With all of our kids right now

Yeah this is our intro Oh we're introing We're on vacation right now And all our kids are together We're all in the same house This is so much fun It is fun But we've both had very rough nights

I feel like you're still kind of recovering Well, I recovered yesterday and then went after it again last night. Yeah. I've kind of haven't gone after it since I had my recovery. You had your recovery. Then that night I went too big. I threw up. The toilet was not good.

Really rough day. Well, there was a backup in the toilet. Yeah. The whole thing was awful. We don't even want to talk about it. No, but then Aaron, my wife, the next night, she went after it. And I had to carry her in from outside. It was just been

Everyone's on vacation But we've never It's never been like this I feel like this is a sign It was me first Then you then Aaron And we're all like staring at each other Like what's happening

We're celebrating But it's fun It's been so fun And now this week We're recording a podcast That I am so excited about Because this is a throwback for you for sure This is definitely a poster

On my wall Yes And this is PTSD Steve for me. Because I would just listen to it over and over and over and over again. I mean, I feel like, you know, I, I, one of the members of this band was one of my major first, first crushes. Like I had posters of him on the wall.

Yeah. I don't want to, I don't want to break it to these guys that they weren't the one. You have to. But, but I'm going to have to. At some point in this, I'll try to get, you know, we'll see if it comes organically. If not, I won't say anything. Yes. And Jonathan's gay, so we don't have to worry about that.

What do you mean? He won't care. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you don't want crushes of all sexes. No, I know, but it wouldn't be as significant to him. Oh, oh. Because it would have been to someone else where Kate Hudson now wants to see the shlinging. Oh, that's not what I was thinking about. I know.

That's what I was thinking about. That came up with a new word, shlinging. so the wean but we haven't even said who it is no new kids on the block we are about to interview Jonathan and Jordan Knight who were just

I mean both of them all of them were such heart drops and it was always that thing it was like who's your type you know who's your guy right that's funny it was like that and it said a lot about you know who you were

or as a young, where's your taste and everything. Yes, yes, that's so funny. But I love the boy band culture. Like, I can't wait. We haven't really done this. Like, I can't wait to talk about what that was like for them. And also just growing up, don't they have more siblings? Yeah.

There's a couple. Yeah, there's a bunch of them. They grew up in Dorchester, which is in Massachusetts. Yeah. It's all, it's Aaron's area. You know, she grew up around that area. Her parents grew up in Brockton. Well, and brothers in bands.

don't usually go well together as in my history of being married once to a man that had a band with his brother has a band with his brother it's a notoriously as very very tumultuous so it'll be interesting to see how it was in boy band instead of about them. Yeah let's do it.

Hello there. Hello. Hey, what's up? Oh my God, this is for me, you guys. This is huge because you are all on my wall, my entire childhood. Of course, as I'm sure you've heard a million times from girls that grew up in the, you know, 80s, late 80s, early 90s. Yeah, I was saying to Kate before you guys came on, for me, this shit is PTSD because I was like, you've got to turn this off. I cannot listen to like hang tough one more time. I'm going to kill you.

We've heard both sides of the story. over the years, male and female. But seriously, so this is so fun, I can't wait to get into it. Where are you? Where are you now? I know you're, I know John's in Mass. Are you still Massachusetts as well? Yeah, Massachusetts.

I'm like south of Boston. He's north. Oh, wow. 45 minutes away. Oh, great. So you're not too far. Yeah, not too far. Well, for our family, 45 minutes away is like a disaster.

No, I know. We all have to live. within like seven minutes of each other. The problem with L.A. is 45 minutes could be a mile and a half. Right. You know. You kind of are for you. I know.

Crazy. The traffic here is getting crazy too, though. It is. Boston, yeah. What is going on? It all has to simplify. Do you guys still see each other a ton, even though I'm in only 45 minutes, but like. Oh, goodness.

Yeah, we're a tight-knit family. We get together a lot. How many siblings are there? Six of us. Oh, they're six. Oh, they're six. So I'm the youngest. John's second youngest, and then there's Chris, David, Sharon, and Allison.

That's going up the line. And that's all blood, full blood. One of our kids is adopted. Chris, yeah. Oh, David. I forgot David. Now, what's the age range? I'll be 55 this year.

I think our oldest is 60. Yeah, we're pretty close. So it's like in between, in a year, a year and a half. kind of difference. Wow. But you guys grew up in an interesting situation, though, right? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys, your parents had like a foster home. Is that kind of how it worked?

Yeah. Well, there was six of us, and then my parents took in foster kids. So at any time, there was, there could have been like 17 kids in our house. Wow. Oh, that's amazing. How was that? it was it was it was kind of cool it was little wild crazy um yeah what's that show on uh showtime uh shameless oh right oh yeah yeah because i i can imagine you know what i mean it's like you have

your core group of siblings and all of a sudden you've just got a thousand more sort of like You know, temporary siblings for a little bit. Some probably cool. Some probably not. Uh-huh. Some, like, mental issues and like, yeah, just the craziness we were exposed to as kids. But, you know, I think it was, I think it was a blessing because, you know, at a young age, we were, I mean, we were always a diverse family. But just having all the different foster kids in, you know.

brought such more to our life, just, you know, a Vietnamese girl, and like, you know, she taught us about Vietnamese culture and it was good. It was good. I mean, and then there was like the scary moments when, like, you know, if somebody had schizophrenia, which one of them did and took a light bulb and stabbed himself. And, you know, that was kind of like, as a young kid you're like what is going on here but um you know overall i think it it it it just enriched our lives actually yeah says a lot about too about your parents to be able to just to have a desire to bring kids in to help them in transition or you know especially after having six of their own it's like all right we need more yeah it's a calling how does it speak to your parents like

what kind of people were they? Obviously, you know, they wanted to save the world, it seems. In that day, for sure, you know, our family has always been very open. Kind of like even with the neighborhood kids, we had almost like it was like open door policy. It was it seemed like always kids were coming in and out, foster kids were coming in and out. I mean, during the early days, our group, you know, we all practiced at the house. you know, in our basement. And it was like every day, it was like the whole group came and we're in the basement practicing, making noise, you know, along with all the other people that lived in the house.

It sounds like it was just always, I mean, did you ever have moments where you're like, I just want some quiet? But we didn't know any different. We didn't know any different. It was like, it's almost like, it's almost like later on, like, If it was too quiet, it seemed to be weird. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, just for example, we have a very similar household. I mean, there wasn't 17 foster kids, but we were like, you know, our house was always the house. Everybody came to. It was always a million people in the house. It was open door policy all the time. My mom had Sunday dinners every Sunday and like everyone would come over and we watch movies.

It was always something happening. But I would lock myself in my room for like hours sometimes, you know. And now looking back, I'm like, oh, you know, I had no, it was always so, there was always so much happening. Yeah. So much sound. Yeah. Then when it gets quiet, it doesn't feel good. It's like, where is everybody?

Well, maybe. Yeah, too much chaos can be a little unsettling growing up. Yeah. Yeah. So, so there's six of you. You were the youngest. And then, and, and what, did you grow up in like a, uh, Like, what was your neighborhood like?

Was it very kind of... You were in Dorchester, right? Dorchester. So, Dorchester's an inner city neighborhood. Our particular neighborhood was mixed. And was it like a sidewalk neighborhood? Is it a... Were you connected to your neighbors?

Or was it more sort of like, you know... In our particular, like, street... It's funny, like, the neighborhoods, just like any big city, they can change, like, across the street and the whole neighborhood changes. But our, we had like a little oasis kind of with big, there was like big Victorian house

and we lived in a big Victorian house and that's why we were able to take on so many people. But the neighborhood was mixed. And then, you know, in the 70s and 80s, and maybe even now, if you crossed one street, it would turn all one race or, you know, another race. So it was more segregated.

We were lucky to be in a little oasis of mixed, but there were definitely segregated areas in Dorchester. Interesting. And so growing up, when you guys went to school, did you go to school in the neighborhood? Or was your school? No, we actually, we went through the whole busing thing in the 70s, where we were shipped from, really,

it was weird that we were shipped from, neighborhood that was predominantly black to another neighborhood that was predominantly black. So, you know, it was, it was so weird going to school because we would go through neighborhoods and they'd throw rocks at the bus. And, you know, it was just so much racial tension growing up. And we'd always be on the bus and the bus driver would be like, everybody down. And we'd, like, jump under our seats as rocks are hitting the bus. And, you know, just, you know, we have a black brother. So it just seems so foreign to us that, you know, we're being, you know, targeted for being white. It just, it just made no sense. Wow. And then

what about at school? No, at school, at school, everybody was, was great. It was just, you know, it was the playground and we would just look at each other as we were just all kids, you know, out on the playground having a good time. There was no, no tension in school. And we're all you all pretty tight, the brothers or their siblings? Well, I would say me and my brother were probably the tightest. You know, as kids, we started out with all four brothers in the room. And then I think eventually me and Jordan got a room.

You know, and it's funny. I look back and just think, you know, we shared a room. we were dirt poor so we'd swap clothes every day like tomorrow you wear my jeans and today I'll wear your jeans and maybe nobody will notice um you know so we went from that and then went on to new kids and then shared a bus together and um we were in the same choir same schools yeah that's funny you guys gravitated towards each other you know not to take away from your relationship with any of their siblings but I guess that happens when they're six y'alls you know what I mean?

And we were closest in age as well, so that's kind of a... And are any of the siblings musical? I would say, yeah. Dave is definitely musical. Allison and Sharon a musical. They sang in the choir. There's definitely a love of music in our family because we grew up in the church and singing in the choir and listening to the choir.

That's where it's stemmed from. yeah our dad is actually a minister and our mom was she well she's still here she's just retired but she was a social worker so as kids it was you know the church and my mom's social work so it was there was the time when all six siblings were in my dad's church choir at church wow wow wow because your parents really dedicated their life to service that's really amazing. So when did the spark of you guys saying

like we're going to start a band? And like what was the creation of that spark? I mean, I'm sure it was, it wasn't like new kids right off the bat. I'm assuming there was some other. And your dad being a minister was probably like, what the hell are you doing?

Yeah. Well, he actually left when we were 14 and 15. So it was right after that that new kids had started. Jordan, you can go ahead. No, I, um, yeah, I, let's see, around 13 or 14. I think I was 14 and um, Donnie called me on the phone. Donnie, Donnie Wallberg, he, he was like, we all went to like elementary school together. And then, um, uh, then we kind of split apart.

Donnie went to the Phyllis Wheatley Middle School with our older brother, Chris, and Chris and Donnie hung out in the same clique at school. And one day, Chris told me, hey, Donnie wants to call you about something. I said, oh, yeah, okay. So one day, Donnie calls me and he goes, hey, there's this guy that wants to start a group. He started the group New Edition. I'm working with him. I think you would be like a good fit, you know.

I told him about you, you know. So he goes, do you want to try out? Do you want to come by and, you know, show him your stuff or whatever? Because he knew I was like, I sang in the school chorus as well. And he knew I like to break dance and stuff like that. So I went over there with Donnie and tried out and met Maurice, who was our producer, turned out to be a producer. And then I guess I came home and I told my mom and John and people. And then John was like, hey, man, what are you doing?

What are you going to leave me behind or something? I don't know what the conversation was. He was like, dude, I want to try out or whatever. I want to be in the group, you know. Yeah. And Bonnie and John were friends. I think you guys were in the same classes in elementary. elementary school, yeah. I think that was the first time we were growing up where we actually started separating. And it just, it bothered me so much. I was like, wait a minute. You've been a part of my life for so long. And now you're talking about going off and doing something without me.

Well, and also your dad, I mean, I don't mean to interrupt, but also your dad left. I mean, that must have been all pretty traumatic. Was that? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, or maybe not. I'm like, yeah, Christmas Day, and he lets us all know that he's leaving our mom. Oh, yeah, okay. Yes, very tough. It happens. Christmas Day? Yeah. Merry Christmas.

Oh, no. I don't remember Christmas Day. But it was either Christmas Day or Christmas night. Damn. But yeah, it was, it was weird? But when he left, was he gone, gone? It was just divorced and you could still have a relationship with him. It was like, I'm out.

No, actually, after my. dad left. I didn't talk to him for six or seven years. Wow. And then, um, I was somewhere in Paris or something, drunk out of my mind and just angry. And I just cold, cold called him. And I was like, hey. And, um, you know, he, he expressed to me, you know, his unhappiness in the marriage. And, um, you know, because as a kid, I think your parents tell you things that aren't, It's always one-sided. I just never wanted to hear the other side. But as soon as I did, then me and my dad became closer than ever.

And it's just been, we have such a great relationship. Oh, that's so great. Yeah, for instance, we'll all be together at Johns and my father and his wife will be there as well. It's been like that for years and years. Oh, that's great. So we're all still very close. That's great. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season.

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yeah and john you're just like don't you dare leave me behind you know I want in on this so did you have to try out or were you able to yeah yeah you did I tried out I don't know how I made it because I was just a nervous wreck yeah um but it all worked out. And, you know, looking back at those days and, and, you know, just being there in the studio and trying out. And then we started this group and we were, you know, doing these weird shows in prisons and, like, birthday parties and talent shows. You know, then it just, you know, that went on for years. And then all of a sudden we blew up. What was the name of the group. We started out as Nanook. N-Y-N-U-K, Nanook. And it was a name that Maurice came up with. I think he got

it from Nanooka the North. I don't know. It was a crazy name. Put it this way. I'd be like on the subway and stuff like on the train, going to school with my friends and I'd be like, yeah, I'm in a group there. Oh, serious? What's the name of it? And I'd be like, well, we haven't figured out a name yet. I would just lie and say, we don't have a name yet. Nanouk, I can't tell what that. It sounds like Italian or like, normal. I think you thought it sounded like Minuto, like it was a weird word.

Right, right. Manudo. I don't know. Yeah, I never thought about that. That's funny, dude. So it was just the three of you guys? Who is in that? So Danny, Danny Wood, who also lived in Dorian.

Chester, and it's funny because, like, our two groups, we used to, like, battle each other and breakdancing, and I also knew Danny, but we were in, like, different, like, crews. Did you throw a cardboard? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Pull out the cardboard, do some windmills. Just to you guys know, Oliver was in a dance crew once. Yeah. I mean, we talk about this a lot of our podcast, but it was, and this isn't a joke.

this language. We were called the Rice Krispies. We were snap crackle and pop. Like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We used to go battle, you know, underage clubs. I mean, it was embarrassing. It was embarrassing for my. I was embarrassed then. It was embarrassing for my family, for sure, you know.

Oh, the moves were so funny. Oh, we had like dance practice. Oh, so funny. It was crazy. Anyway, okay. So you were battling each other in break dancing. This was, yeah, Before, like, we actually got into the group.

So Danny was also in school with us, and then he was in school with, with Donnie later on. So, you know, Donnie, I think, I think, like, I joined the group and then Donnie told Danny about it. And this is what I think. I think Donnie said, you know, Jordan's in the group now because he was trying to get Danny. And Danny was like, Jordan's in the group? Oh, hell no. Like, you know. That's so funny.

I want to be in. So then, and then after he joined, we were always looking for a little guy, kind of like, because we were modeling ourselves after Jackson 5 and the Osmond's. And there was little Michael and there was little Johnny Osmond. So we wanted a little guy, well, Maurice wanted a little guy with a really high voice. So that's what we were lacking. And then our manager at the time found Joe M. McIntyre, Joey McIntyre, who was...

That was Kate's boy right there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, not that you guys weren't also super cute and, but Joey just, he, I don't know, it was that hair. Those blue eyes. Yeah. It was the blue eyes and that hair.

Yeah. And that's how Joey came aboard. So Joey, and was Joey like a random, like different school? Different school, different neighborhood. He was kind of the outsider for a while. yeah did you treat him that way uh we did kind of treat him that way and he still lets us know exactly like what were you doing you're like it just like this guy is not a part of the crew basically yeah you know it it's funny that joe's five years younger than me so when i was you know 16 or

17 he was what 12 so just that age difference right there and then you throw in the fact that he lived across town and wasn't, you know, part of the neighborhood. He was, he was an outcast, poor guy. Poor Joey. And then eventually he worked his way in. It was like, ah, you're a part of us. So how old were you at this point when you were fully formed? 16, I think, Jordan. I was maybe 14. And were you doing sort of what you're doing now, what you were doing then? I mean, how did it have evolved?

Because you said New Edition, like, this is my era, like that old school R&B, like, you know, is that sort of what we were modeling it after? Yeah, we did. We had a lot, like, our first album, it was like, it sounded like New Edition Jackson Five songs. And then that album, like, kind of, it flopped. That was in 86. And then we just started doing songs that sounded a little more contemporary. Um, and, uh, that's kind of, we started like, tell him, Maurice, you know, try this out, try that out. Let's, let's do this. Let's do that. We became more of a team with Maurice musically. And he kind of, uh, kind of feeding off our vibes. And, uh, that's when we did, uh, that's when we started recording hanging tough. Right. And choreography wise, like, was more, were you guys doing your own choreography or did you have someone there doing that?

Yeah, we did it at first, and I did, I actually, I did a lot of the choreography, like the choreography for the right stuff, like that video. Yeah. And then, because we were, we didn't have money. We couldn't really afford having a full-time choreographer. So we just made do with just trying to figure it out. Okay. Question.

Amazing. Question. During this time, you know, as any, like, social experiment, did you guys, was there sort of fighting for band leader kind of vibe like when you guys were all practicing and young was there one person that sort of standing out led the like timber lake like michael you know what i mean no no i mean more like i mean more like when you're in that environment who's the one like organizing things and making decisions or like who's the most in front see i go i just go to alpha i mean like who's who's the alpha i would say like the spearhead the spearhead the spearhead

of the group has always been Donnie leading the charge as far as like front man who's doing like a lot of the leads and stuff I think that kind of just happened because like

like say Joe Donnie and I like we all have different and we were the ones that sang most of the leads and like we all had different styles different voices so the song would just say, the songs would tell us

who's going to be singing it, you know? Like I sing a lot of falsetto. Joe sang a lot of high, natural, like almost kid voice type of stuff. And Guani sang like high natural as well. But he had more of a

more of a grown-up sound than Joe. So I think our personalities and our voices led the way on that. It wasn't like, I'm the best singer. Yeah, it kind of was like pretty even.

I also felt like just from my experience, like from knowing you guys, it always felt pretty even. It didn't feel ever too disproportionate. You know what I mean? Disproport. But inside of that, was there, especially between you guys,

because look, I was married to a rock star who is in a band with his brother. I know how hard that could be notoriously, I was saying in our intro how tumultuous the sibling dynamic is in a band. How was that for you guys? I mean, honestly, you know?

John and I? Yeah. It was like, people are amazed, I think, by how uncompetitive or like there really is no sibling rivalry with us in the band. Yeah.

Amazing. I, there, yeah, we, we don't butt heads. That's great. I think we've gotten along incredibly. Did anybody? I mean, was there any of that, was there any of that head budding? Oh, I mean, you do take teenagers and you throw them into being one of the biggest pop bands in the world. Yeah.

And, you know, things can get pretty hairy between us. I mean, I think we were worked probably three hundred. 160 days out of the year and really had no time to really figure out who the hell we were and you know I think that's when we started really clashing um it actually got so bad that our our manager brought in a psychologist on the road and he we always have like sessions with this guy before shows and um it it was just it was really weird I mean that's kind of nice though that's A way ahead of the time, I mean, to have a psychologist on the road. I guess when you're 16, like, what the fuck is this guy coming in here to talk to me about?

Like, let's just get on, you know. And I think that's pretty much what happened, you know, just being youthful and not really understanding. You know, I think it could have helped us a lot. And, you know, fortunately, we're all adults now and our working relationship now is just, so perfect yeah wow this is so cool the whole thing is amazing yeah I think back then like after we got so

famous we started like we were being worked to death and willingly I think we like we went on the road and we just like wouldn't get off the road it was crazy we lived on the road and I think

later on when it started kind of getting old for us as a group each individual kind of like we just wanted to like express ourselves individually and just yeah to do it our way going back for a second like what was the moment where it was like holy shit we grew up in Dorchester you know switching clothes and now I can't even understand what's happening right now like this is insane what was that moment where when was that moment I always go back

back to the story and I think we're in Fresno or one of a city in California and we were like our bus was parked in the alleyway and we were all on the bus and like we had the curtains closed and stuff because we're outside of a theater that we were performing at and we were like on the bus in the alleyway and the bus started shaking we were like whoa whoa whoa what is that what is that and like our manager was like we are in California and you know so oh it's an earthquake holy you know oh man like and then and then we like opened the shades and it was all the girls in the alleyway like we heard them out there but we didn't know they were pushing our bus back and forth and it was just a sea a sea of people uh and i guess like we started realizing the the fervor well that's interesting too where at the time i mean were you you when did you start realizing that you were gay? I mean, I think I knew earlier on when I was, I don't know, maybe going through puberty, 16.

But I mean, I would look at women and be like, oh, my God, she's beautiful. And then I look at guys and be like, oh, he's beautiful. So I just thought it was something that was in everybody's head. Like everybody thought that. I think it is, but that's another podcast. Yeah. You know, and I think it wasn't until I got a little older that it got to be in my head. Like, this is something that I'm, you know, when I finally realized, oh, shit, this is no, you are gay.

And I think just admitting it to myself was the first step in the process to accept myself and move on. but you know being in the world's biggest pop band and um you know having people tell you how you have to act and you you can't let the world know you're gay or else your career is done you know the record come you're going to ruin everybody's career so it put a lot of pressure on me yeah yeah um so i think i think that was eventually you know my deciding factor to to leave the group that was that was going to be my next question i mean that must have been really hard and and then you've kind of been open about anxiety and do you think that was a part of everything that was happening with you know i i think i think anxiety is in me it's a part of me

but i think in my early 20s i think holding all that in just escalated it um you know it's Because, like, when we were together in the 80s and on stage and stuff, it never bothered me. Interviews didn't bother me. I just think it was bottled. And that, too, holding that inside at an older age. I mean, doing the whole Oprah Winfrey show, like, I can't even watch that anymore because it was just so traumatic. And I didn't have the skills to learn really what it is and how to deal with. with it um yeah it's it's been i i just say thank god for for years and for learning um

you know because i'm at a great place my life i would never want to go back yeah yeah i mean i can relate man i i i'm on lexa pro like i've i've i've had generalized anxiety my mid miss my mid 20s my mid 20s i was walking into a strip club of all places when i felt like my heart exploded and I didn't realize what the fuck it was I thought I was going to die and I was like John my friend John like I'm like to die in front of like the crazy girls in Hollywood and and I get up I go in there and like I have a I have like a vodka you know I'm like what the fuck was that and that started about a year of like intense intense anxiety and it's sort of as ebbed and flowed you know like two years ago it was really bad you know so I have it and the generalized anxiety

this part is interesting because you try to sort of pinpoint it. Yes, you can go back and you can figure out some of the reasons why, but it's generalized. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? My life is good. I got this. I got great wife. I got kids. I got work. I got this. What is going on with me? Why am I feeling this way? And it was just so debilitating. And common, unfortunately, for so many people. Well, in this last bout, which was like two years ago, not that I would ever kill myself, but I understood why people would kill themselves. If you feel like you can't get out of this cycle, if you feel like you can't wake up and be normal, and it's going on for months and months at a time, it's like, what is it worth? I can't, I can't live like this. Yeah. Yeah,

that, oh, that's, yeah, I'm getting goosebumps. Um, yeah, I remember, um, you know, when I first started going to a psychologist and figure it out. It was just, I don't even think she knew how to figure it out, but I, I remember, like, days I would drive home, and we live, like, out in the country. So, I would see telephone poles, and I would just, it would come in my head. Like, if I just swerve my car, I'm done, and I don't have to have these thoughts in my head.

And, oh, God. Yeah. You know, thank God I did it. no i know and it is it could just be like a just just a quick thought and just a quick for the and then you know yeah i know but but it's it's it's like what kate said it's incredible it's incredible how common it is nowadays you know or people are just more okay to come out with it and talk about it you know anxiety especially in our children right now i mean so it's crazy dude. Do you think it's more these days than past? I mean, statistically it is

but then again, I'm not so sure that I think people are more aware of it now. That statistic, that we were doing this kind of research then, that we are now. I think that we have, we're able to define it differently and we can label it a little bit more.

But it is, it is on the rise. It's not on the decline. I mean, this is what my, our mom's whole, you know, last 30 years of work has around kids emotional and social wellness. And so we're very, like, well researched in this area. And it is just continues to rise, which is unfortunate. I mean, I couldn't even imagine being a kid today.

And, you know, social media and, you know, the Kardashians and, you know, all these, these supposed role models that kids are looking up to. And I think just even adults, we're just, we're go, go, go. And everybody wants to put on their best face. Yeah. So I think, you know, that's probably causing tons of anxiety and people now as well. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, not to mention sexuality, how that's shifting, you know,

because these kids are growing up in a porno culture. That's how they see sex. They watch these pornos and they're like, they're like, oh, that's how you do it. I'm like, no, it's not. I mean, I said to my kids, my older, I'm like, look, that's like watching an action movie. Okay. The explosion, yeah, it's all, it's not real. It's not actually killing people. You know what I mean? Like, this is, it's, it's entertainment. This is not going to be what it's like. I mean, maybe one day I'll be lucky enough to have that experience, but don't think, but don't think that this is the right way.

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By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. but to go back to what we were talking about I feel like what you're you know look I think the thing is it's so important that people are more open now talking about these things you were in the biggest pop band in the world

and you were suffering from anxiety that you couldn't share you know and were you open about it with your bandmates with your family with your brother? I think later on and you know it was 94 we broke up and I remember you know

me and Jordan bought this ridiculously huge house and we moved a lot of our family in there but so I remember after coming home from tour waking up in this crazy house opening

my bedroom door and looking up and down the hallway and thinking you know what the hell do I do next and I think that was probably my lowest because I had achieved so much as a kid and you know and that's like keeping up with the Jones mentality I was like how do I keep this going um so I remember after that that was a very depressing like I would sleep all day be all night and then just keep doing the same thing for months and months did you get into boozing or drugs or anything like that? No, thank God.

Yeah, that's great. Yeah. So what happened after you broke up? Well, first, I mean, you know, when you realize that you had the fervor when it was like, wow, we're huge, you're working 360 days a year pretty much. How many years did this go on before everyone was like, we are so burnt out? Yeah. And then two-part or like as far as the money, did that start rolling in or were you so young?

you know what I mean you hear those stories of managers of business managers whoever's saying ah you know you're not making the money you should be making early on we we um hooked up with the the Celtics agent Bob Wolfe and uh and we you know we had we had good lawyers and we had him and um I remember the first time he came it was in L.A. He was a what was that place in L.A.? We had a show in L.A. We just done this Arsenio Hall show. We had a we had a, we had a, we had a gig that night and he came into the dressing room and told us all we were millionaires. So that was a big milestone for us. So, yeah, the money did roll in.

You could say, you know, maybe we could have, should have gotten more. You know, the merchandise, I think we had a little uneven deal there, but whatever. The money rolled in pretty well. And then how many years were you at that height? So I would say 88 to like 92? Maybe. Yeah. 93.

And then what was the second part of the question? It was about us breaking up. I asked how hard it was on you. Like if you're working 360 days a year, like here you are. Like when did the burnout start to happen? you all start looking at each other going we can't keep doing we can't this is too much i think it was like around 92 or 93 we i remember being on the road and we were like in somewhere in pennsylvania and i was and we were doing the same show there's the same old songs and i was just

like oh my god it's getting so boring this is so boring yeah and then i think we had a we had like a break of the tour and then the radio stations we started getting a lot of backlash a lot of the radio stations were like because we were so huge and people got sick of us like the radio station

you know DJs and program directors you know and then grunge started coming in hardcore rap and it was like we weren't the thing anymore so we noticed like diminishing sales like

not finding it very hard to get radio play and we kind of I think we saw the writing on the wall and we decided you know I think we're we got off the road first right

and then we regrouped and that's when John left yeah we did a new album was called Face the Music it was in like 93 or 94 and we went back on tour and it was like we were not doing

arenas we were not doing stadiums. We were doing like theaters. One time we did a supper club, it was ridiculous. That's crazy. We're like, Nancy, if people eating dinner is like, what?

What are we doing? You know, and people are having dinner. That's funny. So, we were like, okay. We did have a good time on that tour, though.

Like really connected. That's all we could connect to was ourselves. We were like, you know, we were like kind of a band of brothers out there. Like, how old were you guys when you were going down? We're going down and we're going down and flames together. How old were you guys during that four-year period? Like 16 to 19? Well, we were like I was 18 and John was 19 when we first got a big hit.

Got me. Got. He's a little girl. And, um, And so 18 to about 22, 23, 24, around probably at those ages. I mean, were you guys partaking in sort of the after-party festivities? I mean, were you out of your minds? I mean, as far as the girls go, John, for you, I read something that, like,

your manager was, like, hooking you up on the side. What? I never heard that. No, not like that. No, not like that. No, I'm saying, like, you know, because we were still in the, closet not able to sort of you know yeah um no he was consoling you consoling no he um i i think he knew you know who i think he you know i think a gay guy can spot another gay guy a mile away no so

he would he would ask me to dinner and all of a sudden you know there's this 22 year old beautiful guy and he kind of played he kind of played matchmaker but um That's very sweet. Yeah. Yeah. It was sweet until I got blackmailed. Oh, shit. Oh, no.

I don't like that story. The nose part is getting to it. Oh, no. Oh, my God. But the rest of the crew, was it just, was it wild? Were you guys crazy? I mean, were you guys reveling in a good way, I think. You were.

It wasn't destructive. It was somewhat. but not like motley crude destructive. Right, right. You know, right. So it's your age, but there's probably some like 50-year-olds as well, right? What are you talking about? Some 50-year-old women who are like, you know what I mean?

Like we would go out, we would drink, we would have fun, you know. Typical teenage. Typical, typical teenage, like college kids. Yeah. Well, I mean, you guys sound actually mild compared to like some people. Like, I would think, like, you know, some 20-year-olds that were the, I'd be dead. I'd be dead. I'd be dead.

Well, honestly, the good things have. We had each other. So we like, you know, I think solo artists, they can go off the deep end easier than people that are in groups. Does he kind of have each other. And, like, it would be like, dude, you're out of control. You know, you don't have that if you're in a solo. your solo situation. You're the king

and you got all the followers, you know. Who is the most wild? Who is the most wild one? Joey. I would say they were all wild. I would say the Walberg. Donnie? Well, Berger was loud.

I would say Walberg for sure. That would be my guess. We'd like to throw things out of, we had a, we definitely throw things out of hotel windows and one of the times we were like throwing stuff out of the windows

and like one of us threw some like our breakfast like French toast out of the window and some guy down on the street got hit with a piece of French toast and our producer had a meeting with us that day

and he went through the alphabet he said fellas a attitude better attitude you know some guy you know B behavior you gotta

you know stop acting so crazy you know some guy down on the street just got hit with a piece of French toast I wonder where that came from you know

and then he said and then he said D Donnie Wall man Oh, that's funny. Yeah, Donnie, we get excited and get us all, you know,

whooped up and, you know. He feels like he'd be the start of the troublemaking. It was a lot of fun, actually. Oh, yeah. Now, what was the big, like, what came about this decision to reunite? Because, right? Such a great thing. You know, I think.

I think there was always talk of getting us back together, but it was never us really talking about it. It would be award shows. There was some other TV show, and they would call and ask if... What was that show? Making the band, I think. No, no, it wasn't making the band.

No, it wasn't that. Yeah, they would like, can you guys come back together and we'll video you guys, guys, you know, doing one song and performing it. And it was kind of exploitative type of situations where they just wanted to use us that kind of thing. And then we would like turn it down. Like, so we had like residual things like that would come up that would pertain to the

group and then we'd all have to chime in on it. But even though we weren't together as a group at the time, like, you know, this shirt company wants to do a new cause on the block. shirt are you guys okay with that blah blah blah and we would weigh in on it and then we started like we started like flirting with the idea like you know screw all these people like let's do it let's do something ourselves like we would say little things like that in emails and stuff and um i think it it was at a time where our fans had grown up um they were ready to like I think the world was kind of ready to like have the new kids on the block step on the stage again

Like all the backlash had had like fizzled out. It was kind of like, it was kind of like we could feel that people would accept us again. People wanted to go back to the, you know, people, our fans were older. You know, our demographic was older and they, they, and they kind of wanted to go back to the good old days. Yeah. I think we all kind of felt that. We felt that this could be something that we could do, get back together, and people would. that's great man

you're gonna do a you're gonna do a chore this coming summer correct yes yeah that's exciting so so it's so funny because look we get older you guys were young spry hot

you're fucking you're agile are you gonna sort of take the risk and dance and make do some of these moves to where you know you might tear an Achilles

are you gonna bring it down are you gonna ground it right exactly I have thoughts. Well, because are you sort of going to, like, understand your limitations? Be like, yeah, fuck it. Let's just go for it. What's your, what do you?

Well, it's funny. When we reunited, like, we were like, gung-ho, like, let's go all out. Like, let's, you know, we were younger than it. It was 15 years ago. And we've been touring ever since. We tour like every other year that we do a big tour. And it's funny, like, every year we simplify it just a little. The moves get a little more simple.

but honestly like it's like we we kind of overdid it like when we were younger like we had so much energy and we were like we look back at videos and we're like we were spazas we were like and now it's like we're more refined yeah it's a little like everything is thought out of way yeah so um and a physical therapist on the road does not help i mean does help yeah you should do an acoustic you guys all have such great instruments you should do an acoustic kind of tour that's like you know like you know it's like one thing to obviously do your songs but it'll also be fun I mean maybe you've already done this

I don't know but it'd be fun to like really like are you trying to produce them yeah I'm producing them focus on the instruments and like and like almost like make it feel like old school moody kind of

I'm going to co-produce. I'm going to co-produce. Frank Sinatra vibes. I have an idea too. A co-production. Be so cool. Right. We're going to co-produce your next tour. So what if? What's the big song? What's the big dance song that everyone sort of knew? You know what I mean? Like, well, is it right? Step by step. Step by step. Step by step.

But everybody like, everybody goes, show me the new kids dance. And it's like, it's that dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. on legs. So what if I got an idea of... I did that move in a movie called Something Borrowed. I don't know if you saw it, but I did a little dance. The moves in there. I don't watch that now.

But here will be fun. Here's it be fun. You play on your age just a little bit. Like, yeah, you guys can still dance. But then you find dancers who are going to dress like you guys when you were young. Oh, I'm liking this. And come out and be like, bam. And they fucking hit it like you guys hit it back in the day.

And you guys just look sharp and like tuxes. Yeah. And you're standing behind. each of the dancers just being like, yeah. We'd even take that a step further and use the hologram. Yes. We could just have to be holograms. And then I can stay home.

Yes. Exactly. All right. How fun. So, so you enjoy being on the next tour, where are you focusing? Summer tour is going to be where? All of North America. Right, North America, all of America

And a couple of dates in Canada Yeah And do you love being on tour? Um Um, And thanks for coming To me, the best time on tour is To me, the best time on tour is

When we're on stage And right when we get off Um because we all like hang out in the locker room and we have like a big dinner right off stage because we don't like to eat too much before the show because we're like we don't want to be like

yeah and stuff so like right after the show we're like really hungry so we hang out and eat but like touring is kind of it's very boring there's a lot of dead time there's a lot of traveling just on the bus

There's a lot of just kind of boring repetition. So it's not as glamorous as people think. But when we get on stage, that's the best because, you know, we get the feedback from the crowd. Yeah. No, it's funny. Everybody thinks it's so glamorous. Like, you know, we're shipping, sipping champagne backstage before the show. And, you know, reality is, you know, we're just on our buses and these little cramped-up

bunk beds and bad food and just not being home it's it's sometimes when you're on tour it's easier just to not come home because once you come home you just get so homesick um no so it's just months and months and months of of living on a bus which is not i used to say that it was my three months when i was on the road a lot it was like once you get to three months it's like You start going crazy. And then once you get past the three months, then you're in this, like, you're in this bubble world that's like a ground hogs day that gets like really kind of wild and crazy. At least that was in my 20s. So you kind of would have to like get past that three months like living out of the suitcase.

And then when you're like in it, it just for me like became this wild world that we were living in. So you're right. Don't go home. The problem for us is that most of our tours are about three months. So absolutely crazy. You never reached the home. We're at that three month crazy mark. Yeah.

Do you guys have kids? Then we go home. Do you have kids? I have two kids. 24 and 17. Okay. Oh, cool. Two boys.

Yeah, Dante and Eric. John, are you guys got kids or no? No, we just had a dog name, Oliver. Oh, good name. Good name. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure.

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Well, this is so fun. I want to do our speed round because we're kind of coming up on the hour. One word to describe each other when you were at the height of your fame in your teen years. one word to describe of our fame yeah like what was Jonathan one word what was his vibe

oh um wow guy um um Yeah. What about Jordan?

Supportive. Oh, this is not, that's so great. Yeah. I love me. This is why we get along so well. They get along too well. I mean, you guys are like, you, you should write a book about that working together, getting along so well. Okay.

Who was better behaved growing up? Me. Yeah. For sure. I was kind of like, John kind of stayed home more and I was kind of like more of a street kid. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

if you could name a song that represents your brother, which one would it be? Like from when you were kids? Talented motherfucker. No, I mean, is that a song? Sexy motherfucker. No, sexy motherfucker. By print.

That's a print song. It has to be a... Like, what reminds you of your brother? Like, for me, it's like, it's like, it's like the, what's the song? ship? Uh-oh, we built this city. We built this city. Like, that reminds me of Oliver so much.

Oh, okay. So something that reminds me of John would be like, it would have to be he's a bad mamma jama. He's a bad ma'ammer jammer. He's a bad mamma jama.

John used to play the coolest songs when we were a little. Like in his, we had a little, he had a little record play and he played all the disco songs. He did. All the funk songs. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And what was the other one putting on the Ritz? Yeah. Top of a lot. Putting on the Ritz. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, were you guys into, is that what's your influence? Sort of like, did you listen to a lot of R&B?

We did. You know, I think our age difference, too, in the family. Like, my sisters always had, like, Pink Floyd, Le Dethlin, Queen, the who you know and then we were hanging out with the younger crowd listening to more

you know R&B so you know I think we've had a very good diversity of music go through our ears over the years

yeah who's your first celebrity crush when I was really really little I was like Annette Funicello right she was a rookie mousego

yeah Gosh, I mean, I've had many, but I think Tom Selleck as Magnum P.I was like one of the, I was like, oh, that he's sexy. I teach a love, Jim. I remember that. I mean. By the way, you look at those old Magnet P.I. He was a sexy dude. Hot, stud.

Those shorts, those really short shorts anymore. I'm literally like wearing them now. Oh, my gosh. My shorts, my daughter this morning, because I'm wearing, you know, I'm wearing these quarter. Roy's short and they for some reason are getting shorter and shorter. I don't know why I'm like shorter and shorter shorts. Oh my God. If you were arrested together, who would be the first person you'd call to bail you out of jail? Well, we were arrested together. Oh. Well, well, no, you got arrested. I was arrested with Donnie. But John, you got arrested protecting me

or something, right? Yeah. And luckily, I was with a friend whose father was on the police force, so he was the first person we called. Oh, yeah. Okay. What did you get arrested for, like fighting or something? Yeah, well, me and Donnie got arrested for fighting.

The charge was assault and battery with a shod foot, meaning you had a shoe on and you were kicking somebody, and that was a weapon. is that that is amazing yeah what happened it was just it was just he got some like he was he was at work and he had like a a bag like on the counter um somebody came in and asked for like a particular pair of sneakers he went in the back to get him he came back the kid was gone and so was his bag so he ran over to like the corner and said that dude over there just like all my shit so like who him we all just chafed him and roughed him up it wasn't it wasn't the right guy um the cops came and grabbed donnie and i just donnie and i

oh and the kid that got roughed up yeah he was in there too because donnie said he stole something so we were all in the cell to get well i was in my own cell donnie was in his own cell and the kid that we beat up was in the cell across from us. And we were, even in the, uh, even in the prison, we were like yelling at him. He was yelling. But, um, it all went away. Did you get the bag back? What's that?

Did you get the bag back? Oh, yeah, we got the bag back. Oh, that's good. Then, then, okay. So who did you call? The same guy, friend's dad. who did we call it why i called my mom yeah that point and he called his mom it was fifteen dollar bail

no yeah i got arrested for paintballing you know a bunch of people on halloween it was bad it was not good it was terrible i mean it's all story i won't get into but we got pulled over we got pulled over guns drawn because it was like they thought it was real guns so i get the fuck out of the car i was like oh my god they take us into the station and now they're going to call our parents and they get to me.

And they're like, all right, what's your dad's name? No, no, no. You're telling the story wrong. Your friends all told me this story. No, no, not. They said, who's the most forgiving parent? I'm skipping a bunch of stuff. It's too long.

But they said, who, you know, time to call my parents. Boom. What's your dad's name? I say, oh, my God, it's going to be bad. I'm like, it's Kurt Russell. And they're like, what? What? Yeah.

They're like, no. They're like, they're like, I'm serious, serious kid like who's your fucking dad that I like Kurt Russell it's my step man who I'm calling they the whole station

started fighting the two cops one who was the arresting officer and then the one who car I was in were fighting over who's going to make the phone call to my dad

how many of it was I would hate to be you guys growing up with with very famous parents that's a whole another crazy situation we were

We're, I think if you look at all of the kids who grew up all of these so-called nepo babies kind of thing, ours is particularly different than most because we kind of grew up in Colorado. They like moved out. We went to Colorado and we had like a much more seemingly simple upbringing, even though we traveled a lot. Yeah, but I know you mean like, you know. I hated when people came up to my parents. It drove me crazy. Like, I felt violated. It was the, I was just like, get the fuck away.

I mean, I remember as a kid having this rage. Yeah. People would be like, hi, like we're at dinner. Like, oh, my God. I mean, it drove me crazy. Really drove me crazy. Yeah. I could see that.

Kate gave her autograph too. Kate's like, do you want mine? She's like four. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, it's weird. You do feel like you're in a little bit of a fishbowl, but then it's also like,

we also had the constant of our parents being like, this is just all, this means nothing. Right. You know, this has no substance to it. They like our movies. You know, the way that they explained it to us kind of set it apart from reality. Well, listen, let's,

Go with the last one. Do the last one. Yeah, let's do the last one. So we always end our podcast with a two-part question, which is if you could, the first part is if you could emulate anything of your sibling that you love, that you wish you had more of, what would that be, a characteristic that you admire?

And then the second part of the question is, what is something that you wish you could alleviate? from your sibling to bring more ease into their life and maybe more liberation. Yeah. Do you want me start, John? John's like, I'm not ready for this shit.

You can marinate on it while I try to come up with something. Like I said earlier, John is very open-hearted and loving he sees he sees the beauty in everything um and um it could be to a fault i don't i don't know i don't think so yeah and john is just open-hearted and like um he he's he reveals himself that's probably what um i would like more to be able to reveal myself more and be more

open like John is and what would I like to alleviate like a stressor or something that would make his life easier I don't know maybe the burden to be kind of like a caretaker or to make sure everyone's okay maybe the burden of that I don't know yeah no I that makes sense you know and i think the quality i like about you is you think things through um i always judge straight from the heart and it's like you know um sometimes i don't think about it and and and i know that's why i always love that i have you to talk things through and um you know i can i can kind of bitch to you like oh my god this happened this week and this and that and you always seem to have the

centered the truth. And like you'll say, you know, you'll weigh the pros and cons and well, this is going to cause this and this is going to cause that. I think I think you're a lot like dad. You know, where I can call him and just be like,

dad, this is on my mind. And work, help me work through the feelings and the steps to to change that. So I love that quality about you. I'm not sure there's anything I need to relieve you of, though. In that case, teenage kids.

What's that teenage kids? I say maybe teenage kids, yes. Well, John, in that case, what would you like to alleviate from yourself? well yeah yeah no I was going to say a lot of that you know like thinking it through it's a lot of thinking you know

so I would say you can alleviate me of a lot of thinking I think I'm an overthinker you know and that in my way of just being just open like you

you know what I mean just like blurting blurting it out like oh I need to say something reasonable it has to it has to be balanced you know it's like no just let it the fuck out you know yeah yeah um so I would say yeah that would be something that yeah that's like our dynamic a little bit Oliver just says what's on his mind and I'm like don't say that right but I just say it what's the worst it can happen I mean, I don't know. I'll cut it, you know. I know. That's the worst part about Kate

if she cuts these things. And I'm like, leave that in. That's the good shit. You know what I mean? I leave in the good shit. What's the age difference between you two? Two and a half? Two and a half years.

Oh, see, so that's it. Yeah. Yeah. The closer siblings. Like the in age. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, for sure. So actually, my wife. was like Miss Miss Miss Miss Teen Mass or whatever And she said that one of your brothers Like married or linked up with a Miss Teen Mass That she worked with Does this ring any bells at all? Chris or David?

I don't know if it doesn't ring a bell Because she was like Your wife was Miss Mass? My wife was Miss Teen Massachusetts And then she went to like Miss Teen USA and then like there was like a runner up whoever she was like a runner up whoever won was like I have never heard this it was a big thing you know you have been with Aaron for 20 years 23 I've never heard this no oh yeah she like won miss teen Massachusetts and was like third runner

up like Miss Teen USA what was her talent blow jobs oh shit now are you gonna cut that or keep it Keep it. All of her. I don't, honestly, have no idea. Oh, my God. Oh, gosh. Well, on that note, you guys, this has been so great. Well, maybe when you're in L.A., you know, we'll come check you guys out.

Seriously. Honestly, thank you for talking to us and being so open. And I just feel like I have a whole new insight on every. Right now. It's great talking to you guys. That you've been through. And it's really cool. Yeah, I appreciate it, Sean. Yeah, for sure.

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