Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - What's Your Dog Trying to Tell You?

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

If you think the rules of dating are ‘ruff', wait until you hear Cesar Millan’s dog parenting advice! The world-renowned canine expert shares how to see past the puppy love phase, why you attract certain breeds, and why you need to show Fido who’s boss! Plus, Kate and Oliver reveal how their dogs have quirks and hangups just like yours!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And would it's like to be siblings? We are a sibling rivalry. No, no.

Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling, revelry. That's good. All, I am very excited. Did you watch his show? Did you watch Cesar's show? Oh, yeah, yeah.

It's always on, too. You know, I'm always seeing clips of it, and it's on my Instagram sometimes. And, you know, I just see some rabid dog, like, charging him. He's like, I was like, and then the dog, like, goes down, they're whimpering. Like, he's so fascinating. It's amazing.

He's like a real dog whisper. And we're such a dog family. No, I know. We grew up with tons of dogs. I have four. You have two. I have two, you know. Two insane ones.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, one insane one. Bronco. One is in Bronco is the best. I'm obsessed with Bronco. He's the greatest. But yes, I, I need to see.

I need. Caesar to come deal with donut. Oh, God, Donut. It's too late. He's too old. It's too late, I know. He's old. He's of his way.

I know. He's so funny, though. He just sits and he stares outside. He's outside. I know, yeah. He has real feelings. Oh, his feelings are so intense. Yeah.

And then he's so dumb. It's like, you're like, just go in the other door. He knows the other door's open. No, I know. I know. You'll stay by the glass door. Barking at me. I'm like, dude, just walk around right here.

So you went out that way. You go back in that way. Anyway, I'm excited. Let's get him on because he's been waiting. Hi. Welcome to our podcast. Thank you. How are you?

Really good. Really good. We're excited to meet you. We're a big dog family. I don't know if you ever saw my mom in this movie called Seems Like Old Times where she has 5,000 dogs in the house. If you haven't, just like Google it so you can see because that is. Because that is what we grew up with. Yes.

Okay. My kids grew up that way, you know, when I started my profession, I had two kids, 65 dogs. So I was learning English. I was learning how to, you know, how to stay in America. So becoming an American citizen. So it was a lot of things, you know, that my kids grew up in it. And so, you know, we can relate.

In my family, we can relate to that. Well, let's get into that. What is, what was your journey? Well, my journey is. started in Kuliacan, Sinaloa, you know, the narco center of the world. I was there when I was, you know, a kid and then a teenager. So imagine that, right? So the dog whisper is growing up in Sinaloa where it's more likely to become a drug cartel leader than actually coming to America and become the dog whisper. Yeah. So that's the beauty of my journey, right,

that I come from a place, but most kids die very soon. They go into the wrong direction. And so for me, because my parents did such a great job with the rules, boundaries, limitations, I was able to stay in the path that I am, you know, I am now. I have a good spirit. I have a good instinct. I have a good heart. And then how did you connect?

Like, where did the dogs come into the picture? You know, like, what, what, when did you realize you have? like the dog whisper energy? Well, the dogs were always in the picture because I'm from a farm. So in a farm and in Mexico, dogs are everywhere, right? So it's different from America, right? In America, dogs are not in the street. And in Mexico, dogs are in the farm, dogs are in the street.

So dogs were everywhere. And we were a family of dogs. We always have dogs. And my mom, into today, she has dogs. My kids have dogs. Everybody around me has dogs, right? It's just what it is. When I was 13, I told my mom, mom, you think I can be the best dog training in the world?

After watching Lassie and Ring Tintin. You see it? So I thought that every dog in America was just like Lassie and Rintin Tine. So as a kid in Mexico, I wanted to become a vet, but I come from low income. So that would be impossible. So the most possible thing was to go to America, learn from the Americans, and then come back to Mexico and open my own dog. training facility. But then, when I came to America, I saw the need of people just practicing natural, simple, profound way of being with a dog, right? Because that's what I saw, you know,

a lot of dogs being aggressive, a lot of dogs fearful, a lot of dogs ignoring their humans, fight, avoidance. So in America, the dog, they develop fight, aggression, flight, fear, avoidance don't listen to the human. And in Mexico, they developed the opposite. They listen to the human. Interesting. Of leash. You see it?

Because nobody's thinking about, you know, let's remove the freedom of the dog. In America, the dog goes into a home. And now he has to live in this home without their natural freedom. Right?

And so that's when I saw that dog whisper thing, you know, uh, uh, possibility. Well, how did you,

how did you develop your skills? Was it all learned, you know, or was it all trial by trial and error? Or did you read books or did you go to a school? Or was it just like, I'm just going off of pure instinct. Yeah, pure instinct. You know, definitely instinct because I'm working with a pack of dogs. So I'm the first human being that talks about the pack, you know, and how to rehabilitate dogs by using the pack.

You see, and this is dogs that are not mine, right? This is dogs that belong to other people, right? And so I'm putting dogs who are now mine, put them back into the pack, and then bring in another dog that has a problem, behavioral problem, right? And then I rehabilitate him that way. But most of the rehabilitation, so everybody knows, is because I walk a lot.

See, the more you walk a dog, the more the dog goes back into his natural, simple, profound. Okay. The less you walk the dog, the more confused he becomes, the more unhappy he becomes, and then the chaos come out. But chaos is not the first thing that comes out, is the confusion.

Right? The confusion because the dog is not doing natural things and the dog is not being treated as a dog, nose, eyes, ears. In America, a dog is treated ears, nose. Because people believe the dog is human, right? So they, oh, my God, I love my dog, I don't, I don't. You know, so when people meet dogs in America, people meet dogs, ears, eyes, right? Interesting. And I grew up listening to my mom, no touch, no talk, no eye contact. What does that mean? eyes, ears. So that means if you practice a certain ritual, you're going to get the right formula. If you do the wrong ritual, you're going after the wrong formula. Formula, ritual, symbols. So the dog is a symbol of rituals and formula. You see it? So that's when I start putting the two and two together and start helping, you know, everybody in America and eventually National Geographic. And I read the article in the LA Times after, you know, the interviews. they asked me, so what would you like to do five years from now? Now, remind you, I come from a place that you can't plan five years from now, right? Because life and death is all we have, life and death,

right? And so when she told me, hey, what would you like to do five years from now? It was just the most amazing question I ever had, right? Because imagine to plan five years from now. That means life is guaranteed five years from now. So I say, I would like to have a TV show or a radio show because I really want to help people, right? Because I saw that I can help people. I remember, I was coming to be help. But then I realized that I can help people, right? And that's when she put it down.

The newspaper came on a Sunday. By Monday was a line of producers outside, you know, South Central because I started my first dog psychology center in South Central and this parking lot. And that's it. That's where the show was born. Wow. I find it so interesting.

Because I have, like, I feel like all dogs have completely, they do. I mean, they all have completely different personalities. And, but, and, and, and their natures are a little, are different. Is this, I mean, obviously based, must be based on breeding. You would know better than I would, but I know for me, I have four dogs. And they're all just so different. Um, but I have a Australian shepherd who has such a distinct, characteristics like such distinct characteristics like you can see his desire and need

and he needs to be hurting he needs to be running and moving he hurts the kids he's got he's got he's you know um but he's my most like problematic because he goes after other dogs how would you take a dog that has an issue like that and how do you initially start working with them. You know, one thing that people forget is dogs are pack-oriented. And within the pack, there is positions in the pack. So before you think personality, think what position that dog was born to be, back, middle, front.

Right. So it really doesn't matter what breed the dog is, because breed for me is number three. You see it? So before the breed is the dog. So they're all dogs, different breed. So the breed is more like a degree they're born with. Okay. But before the breed is the dog and then.

And before the dog in them is the animal in them. And before the animal in them is the spirit in them. Spirit, animal, species, breed, name. Okay. And that goes with you too. That goes with us. We are spirit. We are instinct.

We are a species animal. Race, name. Right. So we have this five things inside of us. So when a dog is doing like what you're saying, my dog goes after dogs, so what would a dog go after another dog? Competition, dominance, predatory. Okay?

So why would a dog do that in front of human? So it's important that the human understand the power of leadership. Just like the human understand the power of love. you see it so what i learn is they in most of my clients don't understand the power of silence calmness confidence right especially through the walk or through the meeting so when you meet a dog every single time you have to give them your silence your confidence your confidence to let them know that you are going to lead the pack you see it so you're going to represent three very important energies silence calmness confident love joy those are a reward

energies. Right. You see it? This is the direction protection energy, patient, calmness, confidence. Right. You see it? And most dog people don't have the silence because most dog people do it. Right.

And then they're not calm. At the moment you become excited, your body is not calm. Right? And then, of course, that ritual is not for dogs. It's for humans. Yeah. It makes me kind of crazy sometimes. I have one dog, another, my little one, pees every time he gets excited.

He like tinkles. Yeah. People just walk in the house and go, hi! And I'm like, no. That's the most difficult thing to change is the way people think is the right way to be with dogs. Right. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, that's the shifting of the philosophy of people without them being convinced that that's the best way, their energy and their actions will never change. yes you see it because you are three things you are energy your philosophy and your actions right so if if i can if i can convince you to do the right thing your energy will be like this and your action will be like this yeah so of course a nervous dog when excited dog is going to pee mm-hmm you see it because the human is overly exciting them or overly making them scare But are we supposed to not get excited to see our dogs generally when you come in the house? I mean, she's like, hey, what's up, Donut?

And just walk away. No, no, no, no. You're supposed to, you know, come through the door and give your silence, your calmness, your confidence. Yes. Way for them to give you their silence, their calmness, and their surrender. It's almost like what the Queen of England, you know, normally how she used to greet people, right? It's social distance. Everybody's quiet, calm surrender, and she's quiet and calm confident.

You know what's funny, Caesar, you're saying this. My biggest pet peeve, because I have a very active house. Yeah. You see how, like, and I love my dogs, and I have a very, like, specific way of dealing with them, which is much more stoic, right? Like, I don't allow them to bark when they're about to eat. Like, we, I'm very, like, all this stuff. But there's some people find that when dogs are all over them and they are barking for them, they find a sense of purpose because the dogs are, you know, and then you find that they become unruly.

Your dogs bark all the time. They're barking, you know, whenever that person comes in like crazy. But then you wonder why the dogs are peeing everywhere. You wonder where they're not, they're always going on the chairs that they're not supposed to go. Like, there's no structure, you know. Listen, if people, just every once in a while, you know, maybe everyone's just to give it a try, you know, let's see if it works. If people behave the way they behave with horses, they will get the same outcome, right? Because, right, and people don't have, oh, the dog, the horse doesn't love me.

Yeah, he loves you peacefully. Right? But because people focus on safety, safe peace, right? And then to gain the trust and the respect of the horse. You see, the philosophy with the horse is more natural, simple, profound. It's actually more beneficial, right? And you are actually connecting to spirit, instinct heart. The where you're describing is more to the fantasy of the human.

Right. See, it's more for the emotions of the human and how the human perceives. Yeah. That human is not greeting that dog with spirit. instinct first. And you are four things. You are spirit, you are instinct, your heart, and your mind. So when people just do like, you know, what you were saying with dogs, they're just doing the heart and the mind. They forget the spirit and the instinct. Now, if you don't have spirit and instinct, you don't have safe peace. You don't have trust respect. You trust the spirit,

respect the instinct. Love with the heart, create with the mind. See, the mind is not for safety. Yeah. It's for creation. What do you think the hardest sort of habit of a dog is to rehabilitate? Well, sometimes it's a combination. They have, you know, they have layers, but sometimes they have fear inside. Sometimes they have aggression. Sometimes they have anxiety. So all of those three together, you know, sometimes they just have fear.

Sometimes they just have aggression. And sometimes they just have avoidance. So like one over the three, right? Because the only bad thing a dog can do for us is fight, flight avoidance. Those are the only three bad things. Right. And they're not doing consciously. They're not, oh, I'm going to kill that dog.

They're not doing that. You know what I mean? They're not, Jeffie Dumber. They're never going to become none of those humans. Right. Right. They're just going to react. There is no knowledge behind instincts as all reactions.

So they're not thinking, right? Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever worked with a dog that you couldn't rehabilitate? No. Never? No, no. I have worked with dogs that have neurological problems, and they're definitely more difficult

because it's a wire not touching the other wire. Yeah. Right? But if you watch the episode I did with a dog named Brunello, he was blind, deft, extremely aggressive, and had neurological problems. Whoa. Oh, my gosh. Blind, deaf, and angry.

Yep, yep. And for six years. So this dog was allowed to practice this behavior for six years. So a blind and deaf dog attacking things. The nose became extremely good. The nose became like a bloodhound. You see it? So he will find anything like an elephant, like with the trunk. So what we needed to do for him is to slow him down completely. So the dog learned to come from a sense of silence and sense of peace. Because it's a vibration, right? Silence is a vibration. Like, no sound. It's just quiet. Super. So you got to take the dog back into that. And then you have to help a dog to calm down.

To change the breath. And then you can influence the mind. So you've got to influence the spirit. You influence the body and then the mind. See, the mind is number three. The heart is number four. The joy is number five. So if you do this, you can help a dog.

A lot of people would say, I can. But in order to start these steps, don't you have to be the alpha, meaning don't you have to display your dominance in order to gain the respect of the dog, then to change it? Because I've seen your show a million times, you know, and it's about establishing, like, I'm your owner, essentially. Yeah, well, you're guiding them, right? So you have to be the alpha in your silence and your calmness and your confident and your love and your joy. So you, because you carry this position, you have to be the most honest, the most responsible, the one with the biggest heart, and the one that is capable to, you know, come out with any creativity and remove obstacles. You see? So it's not just, you know, like Fidel Castro type of thing.

No, no, no. I'm talking about the leadership the animals do. Why? Which is the opposite of politicians, because politicians, the first thing they don't do is honesty. So in the animal world, they don't follow unstable leaders. They will never follow any of the politicians we have. They will never do it. Do you think, though, that there's certain dogs that want to, like, that mess with you?

They're like, no. Actually, I can tell that this owner is trying to get me. He's just an extremely intellectual dog. No, listen, the biggest dog you can work with is a hybrid wolf, right? So once you convince a hybrid wolf, which I have, to follow you, to trust. you, that's, you're working with instincts. You're not working with intelligence. They're not trying to mess with you. Yeah. They're not trying to, to make you unhappy, make you unhealthy, make you not love, make you not being smart. They're not trying to do that. They just want you

to be happy, be healthy, be loving, and have hope. That's it. Well, that's, I was going to actually ask you that about intelligence because, you know, we have this idea and maybe it is a correct idea that there are more intelligent dogs than others. I mean, is that the case? The most intelligent dogs in the world are street dogs because they survive on their own without the help of the human. The dogs that are trained by human, they need to be told what to do. I have an English bulldog and I have a German short hair pointer. My German short hair pointer, I can speak to like a human being. Like he is my, it's unbelievable how bang. And donut, my bulldog is just a complete dumb dumb. I mean, I love him for it, but he's just such a dummy. Right.

Well, each breed has its own capability. The reason why the border collie often is described as the most intelligent breed in the planet is because they're looking in. So once you have a dog that is looking at you and you put time into that dog, of course you're going to help them develop, you know, everything, right? And so the rest of the breeds are bred to look away from you because they're hunters, right? Interesting. So the border collie is looking in because he needs to look at the sheep.

Now, if there's not sheep, who is you going to look at? Whoever is in front of them. If you are a good human, you're going to spend time with the dog. And by you spending time with the dog, you're going to challenge the mind. It's like poodles look out too, because my multi-pooh looks out. Yeah, any dog that looks at you is going to be amazing. Same with Bronco. Same with my point.

My pointer is a hunter, too. He's a bird hunter. It's amazing. That connective thing, too, when you look in your dog's eyes and they can hold your game. is just one of the great kind of sweet, I love it so much. It's an eye contact conversation, right? Just like as a nose conversation, eyes conversation, ears conversation. So if you are, you know, if you one day capture that and then you gave this, you give this dog all this communication, all this vibration,

then you have a connection of eye contact. You follow what I'm saying? Yeah. So then you say, well, then my dog is this. Yeah, the key is to do it with all the dogs, not just with one. No nice ears to you, right? Even with the slow ones, like I say, back of the back, middle of the pack, front of the pack. So obviously the front of the pack are going to give direction protection.

Those are the police dogs, right? Now, remember, not because it's a German chepper, he can be a police dog. Not every dog is born to be a police dog. Yeah, right? Yeah. Only the front of the pack can do that kind of job. Why? Because they're born to give direction protection.

Yeah, I have a Doberman who looks scary, and he literally, I think he'd be an amazing support dog. Yeah, happy or lucky. So those are the control of the pack. Those are the ones that are just playful. They're living this vibration of playing. Oh, he is the best dog. I fostered him, and he was going to a kill shelter. I took him.

I fostered him. and he's so beautiful he's a red doberman really big and i couldn't get i couldn't let him go i loved him he's the sweetest yeah cuddliest like just wants to be loved i mean he's like one of the so needy it's oh it's so needy but that let that let that let people know they're not because it's a doberman right yeah have this side of them right because in the 70s and the 70s people attack the governments. And the 60 people attack the German cheppers. And the 80s in the 90s, Rottweilers now pit bulls. Every 10 years, society attacks a powerful breed. You see it? But it's not the breed. It's not the breed. We have to understand, listen, when we love dogs, we have to

understand the three positions they're born. So when we say, I want a dog, okay, what position do you want? It's not what kind of breed do you want, now what size it is it? You know, because even in the Pomeranians, in order for them to go to Best and Show, they have to be the front of the back. They can't make a middle of our back. Kate had a Pomeranian. I had a Pomeranian for almost 17 years. And I'm convinced that she committed suicide. Eventually one day, she just walked into the pool.

No, no, this is a longer story. This is a much longer story. Jesus. Clara Bow, my mom and everybody was like, she's really, like at the point now where you should think about putting her down, right? And I'm, I don't like doing that. I'm like, when she's ready to go, she's going to be ready to go. She, she barks when she wants to go to the bathroom. She barks when she wants to eat. She barks when she wants to be picked up. And for months, I would have to take her out. She just couldn't walk. And then she like had

been all of a sudden, everyone was like, you got to put her down. And I started really thinking like, maybe I should. And then all of a sudden, she started walking again. And I was like, oh my God. like so then she started walking then she went back and then it was really like i could tell she was on her last you know months or days or whatever and then i can't explain this to you because it's so insane i i she would only sit in her little in her in her bed all the way on the other side of my house which is about an anchor and and there's no water around her at all now the pools on the other side of the house and she somehow ended up it was awful it was one of the most awful things of all time yeah everybody's convinced that she was like get me out of here I think she was I don't want

to be in this body anymore well for her to trek an acre is like us climbing Everest without training it was really like one of those things where I was like okay well you know it was not the way I wanted hurt to see her go but it was it was it was yeah she was like get me out of here yeah well i have a quick question though about just breeds are are our our breeds just genetically sometimes predisposed to certain things whether it be anxiety or you know all of kind of the the issues that dogs that you were explaining that most dogs or some dogs have are is just the breed matter is there a genetic component to it's bad breeding That's bad breeding.

That's why people who breed dogs that I'm not saying, you know, become a breeder. The level of ethics that they need to have have to be high. And, you know, in the breeding world and the breeders world, it is, right? Because it's people that come with 30, 40 years, you know, a line, bloodline of dogs, they can guarantee you, you know, a certain outcome of their dog. Because they're making sure they're healthy all the way. Every generation is healthy. So can you breed health?

Yes, you can. you see it so these dogs are born with anxiety and all like puppy meals right so in the puppy meal world they don't really care about good genes they just care about how much money can they make so a lot of times these dogs are are in the market are in the city are in the community you know that's what we get to see because think about it in nature they will never breed with anything that is not healthy they can't afford to breed a male and a female they're not healthy right And the mother of nature, they kill each other. They just, you're not healthy, right?

No one who doesn't have the highest level of genes will ever make. But with us, because it's emotional, oh, I want her to have babies. Oh, I want him to have babies. And the dog can be the most anxious dog, the more nervous dog, the more confused dog, you know, bad skin or bad hips and whatever. But it's emotional. Right. Right. Right. So the human gives permission because the emotion is bigger than the logic.

Well, what do you think about breeding? Is that something that you are, you know, do you, are you a rescue? Like, how do you look at sort of the dog world and the dog business? Right. Sort of the politics behind all of it. Well, you know, there is good breeders, right? There is good because I have clients who want a pure bread dog. And that's all they want, they don't want nothing else. They want to know, you know, they want to start from the beginning. Right? And, but in reality, in America, unfortunately, is a lot of dogs that euthanize because the overpopulation. So, of course, when, and so who do I help? Right? Who do I help? And so definitely, you know, if you want a great breeder, do I know? Yes, of course. But what I let you know,

hey, give a chance to a dog that, you know, it's going to be put down just because it's too many. Yeah. Right? So instead of you coming from logic, you do it more. spiritual right because you're going to keep somebody alive right that dog wasn't meant to die it's just too many of them so then then the mission or the or the journey it gets a little bit deeper from the beginning yeah do you do you have a favorite breed no i just love dogs i love the pack yeah right to me if you if like i said i had 65 dogs at one point yeah but i just love the community. I love the family. I love this quantity. I love because once you're followed by a pack of dogs, it's literally like you've been followed by two elephants. Imagine be followed by

two elephants, right? The energy that they provoke is very big. So when you have a pack of dogs, she's the big in the pack, the big of the air. You know what I mean? So when they're in a follower state, it's not the breed who's following you. It's the spirit and the instinct. following you. I have this thing where I'll walk around the house and I'll be doing things for like an hour and I'll realize that all of my dogs are following me all over the house. It's so cute. And then we go into the room. We know why didn't they all come into the room. It's just it's like I just they're you know my my little dog babies are just the best thing in the world. Do you find that some sort of modern-day devices or modern-day ways of training are, you know, not good and controversial, you know, with like shock collars and all that kinds of stuff?

Well, you have to understand why people would invent something like that, right? Why is that a tool that some people do need, right? because the dog is already at a level, at a high level of excitement or predatory behavior or, you know, just, it's just the mind is in an instinctual mode. Mm-hmm. But if you never want to use tools, do everything right in poppyhood. Yeah.

Right. Just do everything right in puppyhood. Remember, animals don't use tools. Yeah. But they do things right. Right. You see, the human brings a dog, and then he leaves them there. No exercise mental stimulation comes back and only gives affection. Right?

So the dog lives in this world of affection, affection, affection, affection, every once in a while exercise mental stimulation. You see it? So the exercise, especially in a puppy, can a puppy follow you without a leash? Of course. It's like a duck, right? It's like a little baby sheep. What is they going to do?

They're going to follow somebody. They're going to find somebody to follow. Your job is to nurture that, right? And then with rules, boundaries, limitations, that's how you nature it. Now, most people do not do that. Most people do not raise a dog the right way. So then the dog, from birth to eight months, becomes an adolescent at eight months. So at eight months, the dog is an adolescent.

The females can become in heat. What does that mean? That means they can have puppies. A male, a year and two months, he can mount. And you already start seeing that he begins to pee. or he begins to explore, or he begins to patrol his environment. See, all of those are activities that are saying, I'm about to start becoming territorial and dominant.

Do you see it? And if you don't do anything about it, I can harm other dogs, or I can harm squirrels, or I can harm anything, right? Because the human is not creating rules, boundaries, limitations. You get it? So the first technology invented in the world was a leash. Yeah. Right? So I always tell people, listen, before you use any tool, any tool, your energy, your philosophy, your actions, number one. Then do the same thing with the leash. Good energy, good philosophy, good actions. Then you bring what I invented.

Yeah, I want to hear about this. Because this is for, this is for, to maintain the rules, boundaries, limitations, especially if you're not watching. If you're not watching or if you're not there, it's like AI. reminding your dog, hey, this is the rules, boundaries limitations. To block a dog from breaking the rules, boundaries limitations, that's when the tool can benefit you, right? But can you do it without the tool? Of course, of course you can. Look at the homeless people.

Homeless people walk a dog off leash. Yeah. Right? Go to the Amazon. Nobody in the Amazon has tools. Go to third world countries. Nobody in third world countries have tools. So, right?

But why? Because they're calm. they do natural stuff, you know, they're not afraid if the dog is going to run away. They're not afraid the dog is going to bite somebody. The human is not practicing, you know, tension or the human is not practicing any kind of confusion. Right. You see it?

So you are the first tool. I think when you're not aware of your energy, you can hurt your environment. Yeah. When your philosophy is not the right one, you can harm your environment. when your actions are not the right ones. And then when you do all of them at the same time, then you are the one who is the wrong tool. Right.

It's funny. I find that like I've worked with a lot of different dog trainers and people who work with dogs. And they do use tools, you know. There seems to be like I was working with someone who used the spike collar. Yeah, Bronco. And I didn't like it. It made me like, I was like, I don't like this.

This feels wrong. Yep. But then the person put the spike collar on me and pulled it, you know, gave me a little thing. And I was like, oh, it actually, it doesn't really like, you know, hurt what. Is this the hot dog trainer? No, no, no, no. And my mind was going a lot of places. And like, then he put the...

Right, right. Right. And then I'm my really hot dog trainer. Yeah. Oh, no, no, you put it on my hand, the, my hand. This was actually in Colorado, this guy in Colorado. And, and he kind of just showed me what it, what it feels like, you know, when you, when it, you know, and I was like, oh, it's actually not so bad. So I kind of like, it's hard for me to decipher or to understand, like, what is considered appropriate, you know, and.

and what isn't like I like shot callers I got so upset one time with someone that was housing my dog because they used a shock collar on my on my on my Aussie and I was like this is I got very like you should have asked me it was all really and then and then he and then this person was saying like listen that your dog has a tendency to do these things this is what this is and a lot I just find that a lot of people who work more with dogs use tools more than say like just an owner. And I wonder what your feelings are on that. Well, that's the reason why I train humans, right?

Because all this, all this confusion or all this, we have to learn to disagree or agree, right? Why do you agree with? Right. Okay, so let's start with this. Let me show you how to use this one. Because this tool, everybody in a dog show use it, right? From the Pomeranians or the Chihuahuas to the Great Dane.

Everybody has a simple leash. Right? So what is the leash for? To guide, to stop, because that's what they pull up. That's when they put up. The dog stop, and then the judge can come. And also to park horses. You guide the horse, you stop the horse, you park the horse.

So then the brain learned, oh, the leash means guide and stop park. But then the brain learned to come surrender to the leash. Right. You see it? So come surrender, as you know, is a very important state of mind because that's when you actually agree. That's when you actually understand. That's when you actually absorbing information

because your comms surrender. You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So talk about the collar, what you invented. What are its capabilities? What are its functionality? Well, the capabilities is that you can, let's say, you know,

people, believe it or not, for my clients, their American dream is to take a dog everywhere. right just like in Mexico like nobody in Mexico that has the American dream the American dream for Mexicans is to come to America right for Americans

the American dream with a dog is to have a dog free yeah free so I can go to the beach free so I can see Samity free I can go meet America and you know my dog can behave properly and so the whole point of the tool is to remind

your dog what the rules, boundaries, limitations are that's what keeps the dog understanding was expected. The exercise, you know, the walk or the run, is definitely not, now the color is not going to do it. You have to be with the dog, walking with the dog, rollerblading, biking with a dog, surfing with a dog, something physical, right?

So the color is just to remind the dog to behave accordingly to plan. Or if you don't want the dog to go beyond 100 feet away from you at the beach, you just create the invisible. circle, the halo, and your dog will stay within that circle. Oh, that's cool. Oh, that's cool. You see what I mean? And what does it do? Does it, is it like a shot caller? It has three, three ways to remind your dog. The sound, the vibration. And then if your dog is five to ten, that's the only reason why your dog will do that. That's what, that's the only reason why you don't will get that kind of a correction. That's what I'm saying,

exercise before anything else. Because with exercise, the brain becomes, more sensitive. The body becomes more sensitive. So when we are more sensitive, it doesn't require physical contact. Somebody can just, hey, and just be totally fine. You see it? So low, medium high. So if we keep dogs within the low and medium, you can just remind them with sound and vibration. The only reason why a dog will get a strong correction is because he's 5 to 10. And 5 to 10 means he's about to go. right so before the brain goes too far you snap them out of them it's like when people when people panic in the plane see it's a physical contact that snaps them out of it because no vibration and no sound was snapped out human out of it right it's already gone right you see it so the shock

is a physical contact and the reason was because there's the only way you can reach a dog without a tool is a remote control like how can I reach it you to go after a school squirrel. You're about to go after, you know, another dog, for example, or the dog is already far gone from you. Yeah, this is my friend said the same thing about, you know, using tools was very like there's just certain, and then the goal is to have that be something that is then learned quickly. Yeah. And dogs can learn really fast what not to do, right? So you just, Listen, never teach a dog anything without enough exercise, because you don't want the body involved. When they have too much energy in the body, they become like buffaloes.

So they take, they become like a gorilla. You see what I'm saying? You don't want to go against Mother Nature because Mother Nature can take pain like nobody else. Right. So you lower all the physical energy and you leave the mind open, surrender. The mind has to be surrender. the body has to become calm surrender so that's the best time you're saying to sort of train your dog for anything for kids for anything for humans don't talk to a human is the humans in a fight flat avoidance

he's never going to listen to you right yeah a human only listens to you when he's calm surrender or happy or lucky what's your feelings about crating do you do you keep your dogs in crates you're sleeping on the bed i mean is that just a personal preference or how do you how do you look at all that. Grades are great when the dog doesn't know how to behave without supervision. Okay? Remember, your house is a crate. Your four walls is a crate.

Now, never, never put a dog inside a crate without proper exercise. Never just lie to the dog by throwing a food and then you close the door because that you're trapping. Never trap a dog. Oh, God. You see what I'm saying? Come on, donut. Get me. You son of a bitch.

Give me that steak. Listen, in order for a dog to see a positive experience with a crate, the mind needs to be in a resting state. Yeah. See, resting, that means the dog wants to go and chill. And then once the brain goes, you say, I just want to go chill. Okay, then you tell them, hey, chill here. And then you need to pay attention. How long does it take for my dog to want it to pee?

Because every so often they want to pee, right? So, one thing is resting, then there's the pee, because by nature, they need to pee. Then you can start prolonging the waiting and the holding. There's two things that they'll have to learn. Oh, I just like, I got to pee, and these guys are not opening the door. So if you're not paying attention to that too, right? So the dog is going to associate the crate the wrong way. Now, sleeping with you, make sure that a dog never chooses where to sleep.

because if you have another partner, you know, a lot of times I've been called because the dog dominates their bed and only allows one of the family members to come in sleep with that. That's Cody. Yeah. You see it? Cody, when I was single, Cody, when Danny started getting into, it was very funny.

He would like get in his side of the bed. Cody would. Yeah. The dog, right. Yeah, Cody would get on his side of the bed and not move. And Danny would be like, Cody, Cody. and he was scared him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'd be like, Cody, go down. And he would go down. But it was like only, it would only, you know, for the first like two years is really funny. Jesus. Two years? Yeah. So the first two years,

he always got in Danny's side. Well, I mean, like, of dating. And then he moved in and then. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's so fascinating, all this stuff. You know, just the psychology of the dog. you know how deep it can honestly be because I think a lot of dog owners just buy a dog and they

kind of get lazy and like I'm going to be two weeks in and like oh fuck it okay whatever you know they just get lazy on it but yeah it's it's you know there's real psychology there but remember during COVID all the shelters were empty and then all the churches after COVID all the churches got full so what is that why people used to say I don't have time then with COVID they have time Then they sent the dogs right back. So why did they do that? Because they never understood what was the responsibility behind. It was just an idea.

It looked good in the idea. Yes. You see what I mean? Because once you enter into a relationship, you have to use honesty, integrity, loyalty. The integrity is what allows you to follow through. Once you adopt a dog, you don't quit. If a dog would ever quit on the human, why would a human quit on a dog? because the human wasn't ready.

That's why. Yeah. I got to go take Donut for a walk right now. I've completely neglected Donut. I know. Because the bulldog can just, they lull you into a false sense. Not all of them, man. Not all of them.

Because I have some bulldogs here. They are like, you know, like the devil mix with a rhino. Oh, yeah, yeah. Donut too. I mean, Donut is in love with human beings, but he will go after other dogs. He gets territorial. all, you know, they'll just charge them. I had a, I had a bulldog that was like a gazelle.

It could like jump. It was like coat. It was like a, yeah. It was a Russian bulldog. It could jump up onto like big fences and stuff. I'd be like, this is the only bulldog in the world that has like. No, I don't know. And donut, my bulldog can swim.

Yep, yep. Mine too. You can swim. Yeah, really, yeah. Once they relax, once they relax, they don't do this. Right, exactly. Float. Yeah.

Yeah. So the key with bulldogs, the key with bulldogs is to help them relax, right? Because when they relax, then they're going to use the voyage to flow. Yeah. Yeah. They are funny, man. That's a funny breed of dog. Okay.

What do you learn today? I learned that I need to walk my dogs more. That it should be something I do like once in the morning and once in the afternoon for sure. and I have learned that, well, honestly, like, I think the biggest thing is what you're saying is to really sort of teach them when they're calm. That's what I was going to say. That was big for me. Yeah, I didn't realize that.

Yeah. Hey, don't forget this too. Silence and calm. Silence is really powerful because that's what gives you patience. Yeah. Calm is your breath. They're going to trust your brain. breath, right? Because animals are connected to the breath. It's that simple. It's a simple,

profound. And then it's the knowledge, silence, calmness, knowledge, love, joy. Yeah. So if everybody around the world practice that formula ritual symbols, and then all the dogs around the world are going to be, you know, perfectly fine. You're going to be able to, you know, because they're going to be tired by people doing exercise. They're going to understand because people maintain rules, balance, limitations. And because the dog did that, the human will give love. So you're going to end up giving love to trust respect. You're going to end up giving love to the body and the mind. That's what you're giving love to.

Yeah. This is bigger than dogs. Well, this is, remember, God, dog. So it's God, dog, human. So the dog is here to remind the human about God and Earth. Right? God is the silence, is the patience. And dog is the calmness, is the connection.

And then is what is your role? In this case, your role is to be the pack leader of your house. Right? That's your role. Your role is not just to give direction, protection, love. Yeah. It's like same for children. Yes.

It's the same. How many times you've been bitten? Like a thousand? The worst one was my divorce. I was bitten by Hollywood, baby. I was bitten. I got to the money, fame, and that's the strongest bite. Oh, yeah.

Has that been difficult? to deal with, by the way, for you? In the beginning, yes, because, you know, yeah, in the beginning, it was really bad. It was a really bad divorce. So the dog bites, they're not doing it thinking it. The human bites, thinking it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Humans can do, like, really. It took a while for you to transition into this new world of sort of, you know, fame and people know who you are. I wasn't coming for the fame. I was just coming to learn, you know, and then go back home, right? So I wasn't prepared, you know. I wasn't coming. I'm not coming to L.A. to become an actor.

Right. Right. To become a TV host. That was not my thing. Right. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's so interesting.

That's so funny. Yeah. Well, listen, I also learned that when I'm having issues, I'm going to call you. I know. Me too. Like, forget about the dogs. We're just going to, like, get some positive affirmations from this. I'm like, can we talk about God, dog, and human again?

Yeah. Exactly. I need to unpack that even more. Well, thank you, brother. This has been really great, man. Thank you for the opportunity, guys. See you, bye. Bye.

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