Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Who Says Sliding Into DMs Doesn’t Work?
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podcast hi i'm kate hudson and my name is oliver hudson we wanted to do something that
highlighted our relationship.
And what it's like to be siblings.
We are a sibling reverie.
No, no.
Sibling reverie.
Don't do that with your mouth.
Sibling reverie.
That's good.
Oliver Hudson, it's like, I've been saying my name so much recently when I do these podcasts,
when I do anything, it's Oliver Hudson reporting live.
I don't know where that came from, but I'm just going to keep going with it.
Anyway, it's Oliver Hudson reporting live from my son, Bodie, Hahn, Hudson.
Yes, that's his middle name, Han.
Take a guess why?
Goldie Han, Bodie Hahn, Bodie Hahn, Hudson, you know, and I love it.
Don't get me wrong.
But Bodie Hans kind of sounds like Goldie Hawn,
and we didn't quite think that out.
Like, hey, well, look, it's Bodie Han or not Goldie Hawn.
You know, it's got a similar ring to it.
And I love that there's legacy in it.
My middle, the middle name from my oldest is Brooks, Wilder Brooks.
And then Rio is Rio Laura, Rio Laura Hudson.
And Laura is my grandmother's name.
So I've got them all in there.
We got Brooks, we got Mom, we got Goldie, and we got Laura.
If I was to switch them out, I'd probably go Bodie Brooks Hudson.
It's got that B.
that Bodey Brooks Hudson, Wilder Hahn Hudson, real Laura.
So maybe I'd switch them out.
I'm going to see if I can't do that before the year is up.
It's changed their birth certificates without them knowing.
um anyway i ramble i ramble i ramble and uh no need to ramble much longer because we of course
have a guest waiting in the waiting room um she actually DMed me she slid into my damn
and i wanted to have a chat and i looked her up and i said of course because she talks about
amazing things she talks about relationships and menopause and female things and
being a single mom, and as we are discovering on this podcast, Oliver Hudson is extremely in touch
with his feminine side. I mean, there is no denying that anymore. You know what I mean? Like,
I can talk menopause, perimenopause, full menpaws, you know, with the best of them. Let me just
say that. Anyway, this is Nikki Marie, and let's just bring her in so she doesn't have to keep waiting.
How are you? I'm good. Thanks for me.
for finding my DM.
I know.
I was just talking about it in my little intro.
I'm like, you know, setting you up.
I'm like, she slid into my DMs.
Sure, did.
She wanted to have a conversation.
And I said, I think you picked the right guy because as masculine as I am, because
everyone looks at me and thinks just pure sex, pure masculinity.
But there's a strong feminine side.
And I was saying that I could talk menopause, parry, full, whatever you want, with
the best of them, okay? My wife is 52. I'm in it deep. I want to know about it. I'm not one of those
dudes who's just like, oh, fuck this. I go through your shit and I will sort of stay on the
sideline. I'm interested, you know, I mean, biology is an amazing thing. So I've gone pretty deep.
I love this because I'm divorced and I'm going to tell you what. You're married because you care.
Married because you're putting in that care. All we want to do is be seen and heard and
understood and it's really hard I know and it's funny because those are the things that we hear all
the time be seen be heard be understood and of course loved you know and it seems such it seems so
simple but it is difficult because all of those things require a certain vulnerability yeah and I think
for men it's harder to reach that place of true vulnerability to where you can see here and be fully
open with your with your partner we protect something as dudes and being vulnerable with certain
people around love around women especially interestingly enough was very difficult for me
with my friends societally me as a human being i can i'll cry in front of people i don't give a
shit but it's funny with women that i love whether my mom my sister my wife there's a fear there of just
fully opening up and just being totally up front saying I love you and you're amazing and
I just want to tell you that that would make me sort of retreat you know dang yeah yeah but now
I've kind of figured it all out I love this and you're having the conversations isn't it fun that
you get to pick up a microphone and talk about shit talk about like I love it I really really do
you know you have a podcast right so yeah I'm a professional yapper how
How did life take me here?
No, I know, I know.
It's really, really fun.
And the different people you get to meet and converse with, it's just, it's a blast.
It is.
And I've got clout with my kids because I was like, do not come downstairs.
I am going to be on a call with the guy from Christmas Chronicles.
So they're like, you know, I get the cloud.
I'm like the cool mom now because I can talk to people.
Well, you got to watch the new one.
I've got a new one out that's with me and Alicia Silverstone on Netflix.
It's a Christmas movie.
Done.
Say La.
It's called Merry Little X-Miss, which is actually perfect because it's about, you know.
I saw that. Yep.
Yeah, so it's like divorced for nine months.
There's still love there, kind of Christmas's traditions are huge.
So dad is back for the traditions of holidays, but he brings a girlfriend along.
It was a bit nutty, and it turns out there's just a lot of miscommunication.
that had happened in the last year that led them to their divorce.
And of course, you know, they get back together in the end.
But it's really sweet.
I have lived that movie, but they're not getting back together part.
Yeah, yeah, no.
Which kind of is, was your divorce what sets you onto your path?
Absolutely.
Yeah, so it's terrible, but there's the silver lining, you know.
The book, The tipping point, my tipping point to doing everything in my life that I'm doing now,
which is totally little Nikki, little Nikki.
I'm back at my middle school element
doing silly videos and stuff
it's all because of my divorce
yeah kind of knocked me on my ass
how did that
how did it
how did it propel you to do what you wanted to do
I mean of course it was bad
I'm hearing that
so what part of you after potentially
mourning I'm just guessing
were you saying okay I'm gonna get up off my fucking ass
right now and I'm gonna find the silver lining
here and I'm gonna make the best of this
I went into this is that's a great question
I went into my career, right, being told in like my first two jobs that not everything can be funny,
literally.
I had bosses who were like, you've got to wear makeup, you've got to blow dry your hair, you've got to show up and not everything needs to be funny.
And I was thinking my clients, like I was a sales manager and my clients love me because I come in with something different.
I'm myself no matter where I go.
And I don't have the type of humor that was.
from, like, scar tissue or anything.
I think it's just innately, I notice everything.
I'm extremely sensitive to everything around me, and I could find a way to, like, call it out.
Mm-hmm.
So I grew up thinking in my early career that, like, you had to become more serious to be taken seriously, right, to climb the ladder.
Yeah.
I was a Division I one athlete, all-American, so I knew how to, like, grit and, like, get down and dirty with my girls on the field.
And then I started learning right, society shapes.
I started learning in my careers that, like, my ADHD maybe wasn't that great everywhere I went.
Mm-hmm.
And people started, you know, noticing it.
And I was like, oh, shit, this always was my superpower.
And now I'm not organized.
I can't get my quota, like, expense reports done on on time.
Mm-hmm.
Started changing myself to be more what, like, the corporate, the company.
Wow.
How did you go about doing that?
Like, how do you consciously try to make that transition, especially having ADHD,
which I was just diagnosed with myself.
I did a whole crazy brain skin with this guy, Dr. Amon.
I don't know if you know Dr. Amon.
Love him.
He's amazing.
And I did the whole thing and it was incredible, you know.
But how did you sort of attempt that transition to being something you're not,
meaning going literally against your chemistry in your brain?
So I had, I always noted back to my childhood.
I had four grandparents who literally, I was the only granddaughter.
I was like the beloved overly spoiled with love kid.
So like if you spoil your kids with love,
I'm a walking billboard that it's not going to mess them up.
Matter of fact,
they're going to like think they are great in ways, right?
Like in a not an ego way,
but in a like, I'm capable.
So like I want to say that first because I want to frame it with,
I grew up where my family loved me for exactly who I was.
It was not like, you need to get all straight A's.
dare you do space hour. It was like at the C plus B minus, we're good. We're going to do it.
You're definitely my people. I mean, you and I similar are very similar. I think cut from the
same cloth. Everything you're saying from the beginning when we got on until now, it's pretty much
how I think, who I am, what I believe, you know. And the funny part being funny and it doesn't,
you're not just giving other people sort of joy. It brings joy to yourself too. I mean, I always
be fucking funny. Like, whatever situation you're in, humor is there for a reason, even in the most
difficult times in tragedy and pain, humor is always there to lean on. Yes. Yes. So my come,
so back to the question of corporate, I was like, the way I was as an athlete is I knew how much
I had to run and train to be good at a sport. So I think I took that practicality and I put it
over into, okay, this is what your bosses want to see you do. Right? So I just,
started doing those things and I climbed the corporate ladder and I figured out how to get the next
position and I was like to put me in coach type of employee and I started noticing that I was like
taking myself more seriously and starting to be stressed out about work and I would get home
to my husband and I'd be still wanting to work and I think that that climb the ladder,
Nicky kind of got away from like true Nikki, which is like I'm sending snaps chats to
everybody in the company because they're funny right oh i'm a VP i'm like right right
right i've always been a behind the scenes girly with like my selfies and my yeah and now take
me divorce covid lost all my clients when i when covid hit just i was like i'll go on ticot and
i'll see like what my clients are asking for and that's it i just started showing up as the non-instagram mom
Like, we don't have a perfect porch on Halloween.
I don't, I'm not spending how much on pumpkins.
Yeah.
I don't have that aesthetic down.
My kids are a train wreck when we're going to take Christmas photos.
Like, we're not going to pretend that we have shit together.
Yeah.
And that was like, so the timing of that in 2020 was like, thank God.
Yes, exactly.
Crazy bun.
And she's like, doesn't know what she's doing in motherhood.
And here we are.
Wow.
And when did you see it sort of,
take off and was there a moment we were like holy shit wait a minute i was doing this
kind of for fun and putting myself out there but now it's you know this is bigger than i expected
in probably 2020 what are we in 25 25 23 January um was when i knew that i had was at a crossroad
i'm like either i'm going to do this half-ass and i'm going to keep consulting and try to figure
out my life because i need to pay the bills my horse is almost over
I need to figure out my life.
I just gave myself, somebody out there might need to hear this.
I gave myself a six-month window to succeed or fail.
And I was like, if I do this all in from January to June and it sucks, then I'll do the next thing.
By March, my Instagram page blew up.
Wow.
And so it was like, oh, okay, I can do this.
And I need to be less apologetic about what this is because it's weird.
I'm 48 years old.
I'm still like, how do I explain
content creator?
I make
sticking videos. I talk about bullshit.
Yeah.
Do you have a structure to it?
Or is it just pure?
Oh, no. Because that's, I ask because that's how I am.
I'm like, you know, I don't, I mean,
I make a little money off Instagram here and then when I promote shit, right?
But it's not, it's sort of an ancillary part of my income.
and I don't spend enough time on it because I have to be inspired to put out some kind of a post.
And that can be three months.
I don't do shit.
And then I start feeling guilty.
I'm like, all these people have followed me and they're not getting anything.
And then I'm like, well, who gives a shit?
Because they follow a million other people.
But I have to feel like that inspiration to go put something out.
When you're doing it as a gig, I mean, you must be like, okay, I got to do some shit today.
Yeah.
And this, like, it sounds so ridiculous in the grand scheme of, like,
to be like, oh, it's stressful.
I just go back from a Disney Cruise.
We were hosted.
Yeah.
I'm so ridiculous because my life is not normal.
I tell my kids that all the time this isn't normal.
Right?
Like, let's pull back to layers to my kids who are 9 and 11.
Mommy had 15 jobs before this.
Mommy was a head coach at a college.
Mommy taught a college course.
So this isn't just, hey, I've been ready for this my whole life.
There's been a lot of layers to getting.
this ready to be on camera but to your point is if you gave up everything else that you're doing
and you just yeah you would find a way to just feed them in you what you do yeah it's in your
DNA i love it i i treat it like i'm on face time with like four million people yeah i'm like
what's yeah are we doing today right it's great that's the best stuff because it's it's to me anyway
it's just so personal you know when it's not flashy when it's not
up when it is just sort of handheld, boom, here I am. You know, here's my, here's what I'm going through
right now in this moment. Absolutely. The hard part is your kids get a little older and you're like,
oh, wait, their privacy matters now in a different way than it did three years ago. We were on the
verge of elementary school. Now my daughter's going into middle school. So I'm like, oh, I can't make
fun. It's crazy. I know. It's true. And now I'm finding my like, what's my, like, what's my,
happily ever after 2.0 what do I want to do when I grow up when my kids like get their license
and they don't as much I'm there I'm there right now it's crazy journey so it's crazy how long have
you been divorced so I separated in September of 2019 okay and then came COVID right around I was
like 20 I'm going to get it together and then 2020 did not get it together yeah
But, yeah, divorce was a beast.
And it was, are you dating?
Ugh.
No?
Because this is a huge part of your brand.
This is just my, my perspective is after divorce and then perimenopause, you add that in.
My brother is my manager.
He called me the day.
He's like, when are you in actual menopause?
Not for like over another year.
He's like, can you hurry it up because I have like six-figure deal for you?
I'm like, no, I'll talk to you when it happens.
That's really funny.
What happens is you become, I don't want to say picky, but like you've just been through some shit.
And I almost wish that you had this perspective about dating before you got married.
When you get married, there's like the, oh, every mile's still will like, we'll mold us a bit more and everything will change once we have kids.
and oh once we get married he won't golf as much and once and you just have all these ideas because
you had something in your brain about your life that was it was a dead set thing I'm like goal-oriented
so I was like this is what my life's going to be like and I got married and when the divorce
happened I'm like I need to rewrite that entire play right like you're a writer I had to rewrite
the whole freaking thing so now the man of my dreams is like wait is that either
even fucking possible.
I don't know if that person exists
and he's definitely not in Massachusetts.
Why not?
Why isn't he in Mass?
I'm definitely not.
I'm way taller than him or something.
Yeah.
Where in Mass are you, by the way?
Southeastern Mass.
So a little bit, like 20 minutes
from the ferry that goes to talk to.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, my wife is from Mass.
Her parents grew up in Brockton,
full thick-ass accents.
Then they moved to Long Meadow
up in the western part of the
state. So I'm not that far from Brockton. Yeah. She knows my parts. She knows what's up.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. And then we go to Falmouth every year because that's where her
parents live now. The best. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. No, I know. I know. Well, that's so funny.
I know. No, not right now. I'm in my, and I used to say, and it's a sad thing to say now,
I always would tell people like, I'm in my Diane Keaton era. Because you play is just like
the white, on white, on the beach.
chilling in her, you know, mid-life vibes, doesn't need a man. And then I was in my
diet. Let me ask a question, actually, getting into perimenopause. My wife is in it now.
Obviously, we're together. So she's not single. But, you know, what happens to your libido
when you start this? I understand the hormones. She's on, she's on some hormone replacement
therapy is trying to find the right balance because it's been a tricky thing to find the right
balance yes but what happens to your body what happens to your libido in that when that you just
shut does everyone just shut down like i don't want it anymore okay this is like i want to say the
right thing okay when i was if i were married my libido would look way different than being the
woman who can just have that when you want to yeah just different yeah if someone like
lived with me, I'd want to take his fucking head off.
Yeah.
That's perimenopause.
So you're not necessarily doing anything wrong.
But here's, I'm going to do this for your wife, ready?
I'm going to do this for the wife's out there and the husbands.
Okay, good.
Have you ever made a pot of coffee and forgot to put like the filter in, the pot?
100%.
And it means the ground, whatever you got there.
Yes, pours out.
Before perimenopause, everything is filtering nicely.
The filter's in there.
Yeah.
and everything's flowing and it's right down into the pot, okay?
Perimenopause, you forgot to put the filter there.
So, but I forgot to put the filter in.
I made the coffee, but I'm pissed off at you that I forgot to put the filter in.
I forgot it, but I want to blame you because you're taking up too much of my mental.
So perimenopause is like, there's no filter in the pot.
The beans are going everywhere.
we don't know what day it is.
We don't know if we're hot or we're cold
or we're pissed or we're happy.
We don't know who we're mad at,
but if you're in front of us,
it's going to be you to blame.
And what I'll say is we don't want to be like that.
We very much want to be.
What's the Bruce Willis Michelle Pfeiffer movie
where she's like, I'm fun.
I'm a fun girl.
Like they're on the verge of like their marriage ending
and she goes how fun.
she was before the marriage that's the character that we are we like we know we're fun we also
know we're bitchy right now and we don't know how to get a hold of it i'm on an estrogen patch
yeah i'm on progesterone before bed and my brother and i have a podcast together and i like crashed
out last week bawling crying about the toy story five preview on your podcast no just in
in okay i watched the preview yeah
We're talking sobbing.
And my brother goes like this to me.
He's like, time for the patch.
Ooh, December, man.
This is one of my favorite months.
My favorite winter month, for sure.
Christmas is coming.
And it's such a special month.
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My sons are upset.
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Talk about your relationship with your brother.
I mean, this is a sibling show after all.
He sounds awesome.
Like, he sounds like, kind of like me with Kate.
Or you can say, talk about anything.
Nothing is off limits.
Oh, that's us.
I mean, there's, I was making fun of him the other day
because he was talking about how he had two casts on his legs when he was eight.
And I was just crying, laughing.
And it's like, only siblings can really, like,
a hard time for him was like, is a hilarious time for me.
So much love.
So, yeah, there's 18 years difference between,
the two of us. He lives in L.A. I'm here in Mass. When we come together, technically, he's the only
person I want to go out and party with. Yeah. Does he, were you guys blood or half? Half.
Half, yeah. Yes. Yeah. So he comes home and I'm like, let's, he's the only person that can get me
to take nights off, like away from my kids. They don't, like, they're with me 24-7. When he comes
home. I'm like, I've got to go do a thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, like the chicken box and Nantuck.
The oldest one in there.
It's kind of like my escape.
It's just the sibling thing.
And I'm sure it's a good sounding board, too, you know, for each other, really.
Can you get under his skin?
You know, do you know how to needle him and, you know, sort of push his buttons?
because I know every button of Cates.
It's so easy, you know, if I really want to.
This morning I said, you got to, so he manages me.
He manages my brand deals, which is so interesting.
And today he had a piece of it.
He asked me a question.
I go, I can't work with you on this.
Thank you for getting the brand deal.
Now I'm going to take it.
I'm going to do, don't, we're not talking about this anymore.
We just go off each other.
It's great.
And then five minutes later, we're sending each other.
whether like a GIF or a meme.
Yeah.
Like the turnaround rate of being mad is like three and a half minutes.
Yeah.
So you grew up as an only child?
Yes.
In mass.
Yes.
Okay.
What was, how did that shape you?
You know what I mean?
What was it like being, you are you a typical only child?
I am an only child that was raised in the 80s.
Yeah.
I was like rugged, tomboy, throwing a football with the boys in the yard.
I would go into recess.
I don't think this is normal now that I think it out loud and say out of that.
I would go to gym class in like third, fourth grade.
And I would look at the leaderboard for floor hockey to see which boys had more goals than me.
And I would like lock it in.
And I would go into gym class being like, I got to score four today.
And I would score for them.
So that's me as like an only child, like Uber competitive.
Yeah.
Not in a way that I would ever tell anybody I was competitive.
It was just, I think it's a little of the ADHD hyperfixation.
Mm-hmm.
So I was an 80s ADHD, couldn't pay attention to shit.
Mm-hmm.
It's a little butterfly on my report cards.
Mm-hmm.
It's a hard time paying attention.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And sports became like my hyperfixation.
So I was a total tomboy.
You were.
And that's when you got to be.
field hockey and just crushed it.
Crushed it.
Yeah.
My wife went to Ithaca.
She played D3 lacrosse.
There you go.
Yeah.
It's so funny that you mass girls, there's a certain breed.
It's so interesting.
Like all my wife, all of her girlfriends from Matt, I mean, there's a certain energy of all
you girls.
It's so funny.
That is funny.
I think that's why I also.
Nothing that I'm doing online is that unique to me because I know a bunch of baddies like me.
It's funny to the rest of the world because you're right.
It's a certain type of read here.
And with your feeds and with what you do and what you put out there,
do you just speak with whatever comes to your brain or do you curate it in a sense that,
you know, I feel like talking about this today or I want to hit this topic.
And do you know your audience?
You know what I mean?
I don't necessarily know my audience.
I know it's 90 something percent women,
which it's very clear that I'm a raging goofball on there, right?
Like it takes a certain, the men that follow me,
I'm like, you're a good egg.
Sometimes I'll meet a man who's like,
oh my God, I got to take a picture of you for my wife.
I'm like, you're awesome.
If you know my shit, you're standing up for your wife.
So I think that's the conversation we're having is like,
how do I become more curious
into what my wife is thinking?
Well, that's the thing.
That's what's interesting about it.
That's why men need to follow more accounts like yourselves
and the other way around.
That's why women should follow more.
I mean, I guess it's a little bit different
when we talk about things,
but the male perspective, I think, is important.
I do Drew Barrymore a bunch
because she wants me to come on
to give the male perspective
on a very female-driven demographic, you know, about love and relationships and sex, you know.
So it's important to learn each other's sides.
I mean, I have a million plus followers or whatever, and it's 91% female, you know.
Right, but think about the guy.
I really do feel like men are getting a bad rap right now.
I've spoken so much about my divorce.
I've spoken what I see as far as like, you know, I don't use the term toxic masculinity,
but unfortunately, the really great husbands and the really great guys are not, like, online talking about being great.
Instead, we're seeing, I'm raising a son.
I want him to be awesome.
Yeah.
My dad's amazing.
My uncle's amazing.
My grandpa was the epitome of, like, romance.
Yeah.
I served my grandmother till the very last day.
He lived for her.
And so me being raised around that, like, I just have this vision of, like, I just have this vision of, like,
like what a man is supposed to be like.
Yeah.
It's really hard when you're in a world where you don't see enough of it.
Is that makes sense?
Oh, 100%.
I think we all need to get more curious about why we do things as men and as women
and why we feel certain ways and get into the intricacies of the different dynamics of men and women
because it's deep.
You know, on the surface, it's like, oh, he's a dude and he's a dick and blah, but whatever, right?
but there are if you if you dig into his psyche a little bit and understand sort of where that
comes from then I think we can sort of live harmoniously a little bit even a little better you know
there's there's also so much primal shit in us that's just left over from 10,000 years ago I mean
and same for women like you about this the lean in movement right I naturally when I was I was
handling a big piece of business for a corporate brand as an SVP, I had my second child and I was just
not the same. Everything was tearing me up about like wanting to be with my children. And I remember
Cheryl Sandberg's book, Lean In and all these big loud like with the heels on and like go for
what, have a seat at the table. I was like, I don't want a seat at the table. And I feel so
bizarre saying that. I wanted to lean out. I wanted to go home.
when the clock was done at the end of the workday,
I wanted to fly out of the parking lot to get home to my kids.
And that's a nature.
Oh, yeah.
My wife was an actor and she was amazing and doing very well.
And like she could have kept going and she's beautiful and she's good and she's all of it.
She could have had like a big career, you know.
And we had our first baby 18 years ago, Wilder.
And I was like, all right, you want to go?
you're back and she's like no done i was like you're done done no you don't want to act anymore
you're done she's like i'm done i just want to be a mom like okay great amazing you know and how does
what like changing was she so she she is as happy as a clam you know what i mean like there's
no regrets there at all zero there's no she doesn't have that well i need to do something i mean
I think there's a part of her sometimes that is like, you know, I feel like I have more to give
or I should be doing something. And I always encourage her because she's an amazing human and has
an amazing ideas and everyone loves her. And she's just, I was like, you could, there's so much
you could do. But, you know, she's, she's cool. She's cool. It's just hanging and being a mom.
I live, it's like I'm unapologetically. I live for motherhood.
When people, there's so much noise out there and it's social media.
it's new you know you live in this world yeah yeah just there's so much that tells you you have
to have a life outside of your kids you and i'm like can i have a hot minute here my kids are nine
and eleven i'm all in yeah and unless a man can come in and bring something to the table that
i'm doing now and not pull me from my kids this isn't like oh come with me i'm like i'm with my
kids. Yeah. So that's a very Jerry McGuire type of thing right now. Yeah. I'm on
aesthetically all in on my cat. Of course. I mean, I am as well to the detriment of my career
at points because I would, I'm not going to New York for that. I'm not going to do it. Like,
I'm not going to go commit myself to a series that could potentially go six years to where I'm
living in New York. Like I, that's not worth it to me, you know. My deathbed is going to be
surrounded by my children and the memories of all of the incredible times that I had with my
family, not a job here or an award here or that, you know. I think as you get older, we can let that
go a little bit, you know, going to college, they're out of the house. It'll be a little bit more
time to focus on myself. But, you know, I'm all in, especially because my dad, you know, wasn't there.
You know, Kurt came into my life and raised me, but there was a part of me that just was going to do
everything that I could to just be the most present father of all time to the point of insanity,
you know, where I miss a recital. I'm like, he's going to need therapy. He's going to have
abandonment issues. And it's just like, it's completely irrational. Talk to me for a second.
I'm a single mom. I mean, they have their dad, but this is on me. What can I do for my son to like,
is there anything that you were raised with that made you, right? Because you do hear a lot about
single moms and boys need broke yeah yeah i mean i got lucky because kurt came into my life at six
okay and my dad we were good until 12 and then something happened and whatever it split apart
and it got contentious and that was that but kirk raised me you know and he was an amazing father
extremely masculine when i was a very shy boy who had been through some trauma with divorce
at that young of an age and sort of clingy to mom.
And he was the one who sort of broke me out of that and taught me that I'm okay, alone.
I'm okay just being who I am and I can essentially find my way home, which was literal
and figurative.
We had this moment, you know, where I would ride on these ATVs with him in Colorado.
and we went down to the river and he just disappeared and I started freaking out and I was panicking
and we call him paw and I was screaming paw paw like panicking and he was behind a tree just
watching me and then he came out and he was Ollie Oliver was like pa I'm losing it I'm six or seven
years old and he said you're okay you're you're you're fine and I was like okay he goes now
want you to get us home and I was like no way I want to I need you in my sight and he goes
I'll be right behind you I promise I will never leave you and so boom I get us home keep looking
behind me and I get us home and it was this epiphany like you go see like if I wasn't there
if I did disappear for some reason you know how to get home and that was literal and also you know
as I get older, it's become more metaphorical as well, you know. And then the cap to that story is for the
year I've been hearing, oh, Oliver's into, too independent on you to my mother saying he's too
dependent on you and mom would agree. And he needs independence. And I didn't quite understand what
that meant, but I heard those words knowing that dependency connotated negativity and
independency was this sort of, you know, positive thing. And that next morning, I
fly down on my ATV and they're having coffee on their porch and you can see the little dirt road
and I say mom pa look I'm independent not quite understanding what that meant but boom I was off to
the races I was done I was now able to be free and not afraid you know that is so beautiful
in so many ways and all I'm thinking about is I need myself a kirk
on his show he's nine yeah six yeah I was six I was six or seven but but but then it continued you know
I mean he taught me to hunt he taught me to get into the woods he he taught me to be alone you know
with a rifle with knives with this with that and I learned how to fish which is a passion of mine now
so he really brought me to that place and that is that's the beauty of um to healthy like a healthy man
and a healthy woman.
Like that's another, right?
That's what I think you're going to get,
you get married.
You think is this partnership
and you're going to handle some of this
and you're going to handle some of this.
And now I don't know
that my cortisol levels are meant
to handle both roles.
Yeah.
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you get your podcast and I should remember his name I saw him on CNN and he is put he he's
he's written a book and it's all about men and boys and how we need to be taking care of oh
Richard Reeves.
Richard Reeves is his name.
And it's amazing.
There's some controversy, not controversy to it, but, you know, there's a lot of talk
about sort of female empowerment.
And, of course, it's amazing.
But his idea is like, we can't forget about the boys and the men.
And he gives all these amazing statistics and how important it is to raise good boys
who can become great men.
I need to talk to him.
You should have him on.
He's awesome.
I do see a lot of women get defensive when there's a,
a childhood specialist or a psychologist that says men like boys need men like right the single
mom's like but i raise my and i'm like i feel defensive in my gut but i also want to listen
i want to hear because why would we want to close that up like off like raising our kids like i want
them to have best of both worlds men and women like could we all do this together yeah against each other
thing. I think we also underestimate the man slash boys emotional capacity or emotional thirst or need
for that because part of his thing was, you know, hey, just text a male, a kid or your cousin or
whoever and just say, hey, dude, like thinking about you today, you're the man or something like
that. We don't, you know, we don't get those things as men. Like all my guy friends, we're never
texting each other like, yo, I love you, buddy. Like, you're just, you're fucking amazing.
You know, and when you, as a dude, when you get that, first of all, if my friend texting me, I'd be like, dude, is something wrong? Are you okay?
But if it's genuine, it just feels good, you know?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
Son's friend came over, and it's so funny.
Like, they're both doing my son's homework project together.
I'm like, this is interesting.
The girls would never have a friend over and do a homework project together.
And I'm looking at him, I'm like, oh, they're two little.
a little bit introverted boys, and that this is like they're doing this thing.
I do believe they're all wired exactly how they're going to be.
Yeah.
It's a lot, remind me a lot of my son going back to your six-year-old self is like,
mom, I guess is everything at sex.
Like I couldn't even send him into a fun camp because he'd be panicked to leave the car.
And I remember sitting there at camps in my, I think I did a post three years ago.
I couldn't get him to go off to the golf camp that he was going to.
And I talked about having to re-regulate as a mom and how to re-regulate your emotions
and stay strong for the kid and show him that he's capable.
And it's exhausting.
So many other moms resonated with like the anxious boy.
Oh, gosh.
I mean, look, I've had anxiety.
My 20s, it started, and I've had bouts of it throughout my life until 49.
I'm on Lexa Pro.
You know, I'm on, I manage it.
I'm so used to it now.
The feelings, I'm no longer afraid of it.
I mean, I've been through the ringer with that, you know.
We're talking about mental health.
Like, we talked about ADHD earlier today.
Perfect example.
My, the school called me.
They never call me unless I'm like, oh, no.
They just, I know.
My daughter was missing her three math books that she needed.
And I ran over there.
I dropped them off, brought some chocolates to the secretaries to be like,
let's not pay attention to our school.
There's some bribery.
Yeah, totally.
And I got in my car and I was like, wow, do you know how many moms feel like shit?
Because they are unorganized.
They have ADHD that never went treated.
So now we're finding out the moms with ADHD who never got treated have no idea how to handle it.
Don't have the systems in place.
Now I'm like, I could either do this to my kid or we could get the help we need.
to get her to understand systems and structure.
Like, I don't want the label on her,
but man, it's a different world, is what I'm saying.
To have the label, we live in a different world
where we can, like, manage it better.
Yeah.
Oh, entirely.
I mean, the amount of memes that my wife sends me about ADHD,
it's crazy because she has it and as a mom.
She has it through, like, her perimenopause made it worse.
Probably.
Yes, definitely, definitely.
She has it.
And she has Vi-Vance to sort of,
she doesn't take it every day.
But I'm like, why don't you just fucking take it every morning?
You're amazing when you're on V-V-A-V-A-S.
You are getting shit done.
You're amazing.
You know, but she only takes me like,
I've got to get stuff done today.
I'm like, just take it every day.
It's awesome.
She and I maybe need to talk.
This is so fucking.
V-V-A-V-A-V-S.
My assistant and I, when I first hired her,
I took a V-V-A-V-Ns one day.
And she's like, oh, God.
She couldn't understand what was going.
going on. And I said, I took a Vivance today. And I said, maybe we start a series that's called
Vivance Mondays. And then I just do all the shit I don't want to do. But then if I took a Vibance
every day, by week two, I go off of it because I'm like, I don't need it. Yeah. Right.
I'm like, I don't need this. Yeah. But the reason I don't need is because I've been taking it.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird thing. Oh, entirely. I, I know when she's on it.
I mean, you know, because she has to take it.
early because otherwise she won't be able to sleep you know because it gets you all up and you know
so I'll drop the kids off whatever make breakfast and I see her you know I'm 10 o'clock I look at her I'm like
you're on Vibance aren't you she's like yep uh-huh yeah on V Vance let's go closet done
you know I'm like oh shit you're ready to roll
so ADHD parents has got that's got to be a wild house there was that we had another
ADHD specialist on our show
And he talked about how it needs to be looked at as a superpower, as you explained earlier
on in the podcast, you know, it can take control of you for sure, but it is a superpower.
There's something very creative about it.
You know, I would never change it.
You know, I love my brain and how it fires.
And maybe, yeah, it can hinder me in certain ways, but I would never change that or trade it
in for having a blank mind.
I like that my brain's all over the place.
why but yes
we can live in a world
our kids can see a world
that is going to be very capable
for their minds
I came out of school and I remember
my guidance counselor being like
what do you want to do
and I don't know what can I do
with like where I'm at
I don't want to take the SAT again
like what's one and done on that
but now
they did they wanted me to take it again
I was like hell no
I got the worst SAT score
maybe in the in the in the nation i've ever admitted what you got to anyone oh yeah of course i say it all
the time i got i think out of 1600 i got a 780 i said it out loud no you didn't
on my life i've never said that in my life oh my god i'm so happy you and i are so similar no one
else has even come close to my bad score 80 70 you beat me by one question oh and then like how
how did I rank in my class?
I remember getting the rankings and being like,
holy shit, I'm dumb.
Yeah.
Like, I was in the,
the,
but I'll be honest with you and you need to say it too.
Did you care that much?
No, no, I didn't.
I knew what I wanted to do.
I knew I loved to be in movies.
I had this feeling that,
first of all,
I didn't attach my sense of self-worth
to my grades ever, ever, ever.
It was not me, you know.
I loved who I was I had a million friends I had fun with life I was a good person a nice person
I was like my grades yeah I'm I'm fine that should be the name of your like next episode not book smart
yeah a bunch of kids that can't like can't jam my daughter is so funny she's 11 she goes like this
she goes mom this is I won't say the teacher's name she like she keeps asking me questions and like
I don't know the answers and that's how she says it and I go but what do you see
say she's just like she said that her teacher's like you should know this by now you're in fifth
grade and i go that's what she says to you because i'm having flashbacks and i go look around i said
lela be honest do you look around and think like how the hell does everybody know the answers to this
and she goes every day yeah so like there's a group of us that like let's unite yeah umbaya
yeah we didn't get the book stuff no and that's fine
But you will grab other parts of the world by the balls better than anyone around billion percent, you know, and that's what I'm with, with my daughter, Rio, you know, who's in sixth grade, middle school, big transition from fifth.
The workload is more, is more intense.
And with all my kids, I just said, look, just put the effort in.
Just try.
If I see that you tried and you get an F, you studied your ass off, I'm like, good, you did it.
You win, buddy.
That's it.
you just fuck off and you don't give a shit, then I have an issue because I do believe in work
ethic. And that's something I wish I had more of. You know what I mean? I honestly wish I was
pushed a little bit harder to work harder. Same. So I love that we're saying this. I feel so
this is therapeutic for me to say because I never want to feel like I'm raising lazy kids around
that I want them to do well. I want them to find out that they're brilliant in some area.
If my daughter ends up being like, oh, my God, I love science.
I'm going to be like, wow, shit, I don't.
But I want them to find something in life that makes them feel good about themselves.
And sometimes I need to work hard at finding that.
Yeah.
I'm not like the F.
I'm more like, oh, my God, I understand.
You're confused.
Meanwhile, my son, the teacher can say something once.
He locks it in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
My middle kid is like that.
My middle kid is like never talking about homework.
once. He's in 10th grade now. He's straight A is like, Bodie. His name's Bodie. I'm like,
Bodie, you good? He's like, yeah, good. I'm like, okay. He's good. I don't have to.
He's not asking you for homework help. No, hell no. I ask him. I mean, I need help. I need help
which is life. He sits me down and has a. That's great. So how would you describe your like
parenting style? Non-restrictive. We're not, we're not strict parents at all. I think that we
coddle our kids just generally in our society now too much i think they need to get out and fall down
and figure shit out on their own you know kindness looking people in the eye all of that stuff
really matters to me you know a lot uh because that's what we were instilled with but never had a
real curfew i've never grounded my kids even when they've done some bad shit to me it's like
you know what you did wrong what am i doing you know grounding you what does that do it's
the end of the day.
Do you know what I'm like, I will take that out of the wall?
No.
I know.
I know.
My wife once like lost it in the car, all three kids are a little younger and she's
like, that's it.
We're not having Christmas.
I'm like, babe, that's, we can't, you cannot fall through with that one.
That's like, I'm not going to happen.
I just run out of options.
Totally.
but i am strict on a on a few things you know i just want them to pay attention to be safe to be
aware of their surroundings you know what i mean and to be respectful i i give you a long rope
so be respectful to me and i've had to deal with that a little bit where it's like yo i i give you
everything you know what i'm saying like show a little bit of respect here
I'm not strict, I don't fuck with you at all, you know, give me a little bit of respect.
So there's, it's, it's kind of like that, you know.
I totally get it.
Yes.
Yeah.
What about your wife?
What would she say is like the hardest part of dealing with you as her husband?
I'm here to help.
No, I know.
Well, I was going to say when we ended this, if you ever, if you want me to come on your, on your
pod, I'll 100% will.
That's, yeah.
Yeah.
So she's so.
amazing my wife because she just understands who I am so well. She knows how crazy I can be.
She knows that I am passionate about certain things like my fishing and boats and my golf here
and there and you know and she allows me to do those things and I allow her to go have
girl weekends with her friends three nights sleeping out and we just, we're very independent
that way that we don't have some codependent relationship. I think, you know, I think
with her she would probably want me to get out of my own ahead and to believe in myself more
and stop the negative self talk yeah that bugs her you know because she's like it's just reinforcing
you know all the bullshit and if you believe this about yourself you're not going to move forward
and she's not wrong um yeah i think you know that's probably it i do the dishes okay she would say
I don't.
Her love language is acts of service.
You know what I mean?
Mine's physical touch.
I love that you didn't know that.
Yours of course physical touch.
I'm physical touch.
And her last love language is physical touch.
So it's hard.
You know,
it's hard.
You know, so.
But yeah,
I think we're pretty compatible.
I would have said I think my ex-husband would have said his love language
was physical touch,
but it was only a certain type of physical touch.
Right, right.
I'm like the cuddly, play with my hair.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The thing, there was never, it went from zero to, I'm like, can we just start with the hair?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A hundred percent.
See, I was more, I was more like this, where I'm sort of standing at the island or doing whatever, and she walks behind me.
And I'm thinking, is she going to touch my back?
Is she going to touch my back?
And then she doesn't touch my back.
And I'm like, oh, my gosh, she didn't touch my back.
She doesn't like me.
Yeah.
I mean, that's my mind, where I'm like, does she get, she going to touch me?
She's going to touch me.
Oh, shit, she didn't fucking touch me, you know.
But yeah, we're talking about.
I love that we're, I love the male, female coming together talking about the other in a way trying to understand each other.
That's great.
Well, this has been an awesome.
Thank you for coming on.
And honestly, like, if you ever want me to to be on your show, I would love to.
You guys, I would love to meet your brother too.
And I'm sure we'd have a blast sort of just chopping it up for sure.
sure. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you, Nicky. Do you want to plug anything?
Just Nikki Marie Inc. on Instagram and I feel like that's my main hub and you could find
elsewhere through all the tags, doing a little bit of everything. Perfect. Well, go keep doing it.
Go keep relating. Go keep making that money. Off the cuff. Yeah. Off the cuff show up as as you are.
Yeah. Of course, always. All right. Bye.
fun i found a kindred spirit i did yeah she's so mass it's so funny reminds me so much of my wife
and her friends it's crazy anyway um i have to go um and i have to go because uh i heart radio needs to zoom
one of the big companies um one of the great big oh yeah no i'm keeping going we're going to
keep this in i heart radio needs to zoom laura our producer is trying to interject at 1210 we're
Two minutes past the deadline, so I'm sure another podcast is freaking out right now.
I suggest maybe getting a few more Zoom accounts.
Oliver Hudson out.
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