Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Whoa! It's The Lawrence Brothers

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Blood is thicker than Hollywood's choppy waters, just ask The Lawrence Brothers. Matt, Andy, and Joey Lawrence have enjoyed individual success, but they'll be the first to tell you they are always better together.Cameras capture their chemistry, and their 'Brotherly Love' is the bond that keeps them growing together instead of apart.But it wasn't always easy living like a Lawrence. They describe the pain of their parents divorce, what it was like to see their fame fading away, and what brought them back to the brotherly basics.Destiny or DNA? You decide.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're just not. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story on the Iheart Radio app, Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry.

No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Revelry That's good Hi Oliver My name is intro

Hudson We're introducing Three brothers I kind of love Going into things like this Because I have I have all these wild Preconceived notions

Of some of the people That we have been interviewing As siblings Like when we did new kids On the blog Like things back from my childhood Today we have the Lawrence brothers Joey Lawrence to me was like

When I was a little girl He was just one of those guys I think right Yeah and and he was You know he was the heart throb Yeah I remember Was he like don't Was that one of them?

No Maybe it was that That sounded like Was that like friends Matt LeBlanc? I don't know I'm not good I'm not a big like

I'm not a big Homer Simpson I swear to God I think Joey was like yo or something like that yeah something he had that

sort of like Italian like gay yeah but he had a call sign it was I think he had a call sign it was like Bill Cosby now

I can't figure out I don't know what it is what you're doing I don't know but I'm like but I'm into it I'm into it no but you're right

We'll get into it. Yeah, but it's cool. They all grew up in the business together, you know what I mean? And now they're sort of coming back strong. They've got a podcast coming out in February. Yeah, and Joe, he's your age, right? So he was like older than me. So when I was little, he was like, oh, the guy and all the girls thought was cute.

But the thing is, other than that, I really don't know much about these guys. No, I know. And every time we do these podcasts, we always end it with like, wow. I know. Their life is crazy or how. Interesting. So I'm excited for this. Are we bringing up Cheryl or no?

No. Are you sure? Absolutely not. Why not? Because I'm not that kind of person. But they were married. Yeah, but I'm not a, I don't like salacious. Whoa.

Stuff. Well, then, okay. I like salacious. Well, we won't bring it up unless he brings it up and bring him in. And welcome the Lawrence brothers. LBs. Hi. Wow.

What's going on? Oh, siblings. How's it going on? Look at how professional their setup is. Okay, before we get started, I'm going to talk about this for a second. We've been doing this shit now for four years. We're so raggedy and stuff. We've got in Kate's old living room.

Everyone who has a podcast now has cool-ass backgrounds. You guys got the guitars and the thing. There's lighting. It looks great. We're just sort of, you know, just throw it all together with a computer. I'm not, we don't need to impress anybody, Oliver. We're just doing our thing. We're all smoking mirrors, man.

We have no substance at all. We need the bells on whistle. We fly in a house. You know what's so weird? I'm having like, I'm having like a Hudson brother feeling right now. It does feel Hudson brothers. Which is kind of wild to me. Are you guys Italian?

Yeah, I was, I was leading. We are too, by the way. I don't know if you knew that. Oh, I didn't know that. We are Italian. Yeah, we're Sicilian. We are. We are Italian.

Oh! We just say Italian food when we don't know anything. We go, Ah, Ravioli! Right. Yeah, I started taking Italian on Duolingo, and I just get super high instead of my porch and, like, go over the Italian stuff. And it's not sticking.

It's not sticking. You know what, actually, I was kind of bummed because our parents, you know, when their parents came over, it was all about. assimilation and not, you know, speaking, they wanted them to speak English and not Italian. So our parents didn't get to learn it. And then they didn't teach it to us. So it's like we lost that. I know. It's a bummer. They were trying to shed the, uh, the Italian culture. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, when you think about it, I mean, we also were super proud, but also like, Italians weren't exactly looked fondly upon. We were like, you know, we were mobsters and

gangsters. We were gangsters. But we literally like, we literally do come from that. Yeah. Yeah. Tony Salerno, big fat Salerno, who was the head of the Genovese crime family, was actually our great uncle. Kind of our great cousin, really. Well, it was our grandfather's, great grandfather's brother. Yeah. Right. Wow. So we'll kill you if this doesn't go well. Yeah. Basically, we know people. Yeah. I'm sure you do too, but our family will kill your family. Yeah. It'll be a mess. It'll just be a bloody. mess. You know, actually talk about that. Our real last name is Mignon. Right. Yeah. But back in the 80s when I got my start, nobody could pronounce that. So they were like, yeah, this has to go. Yeah. No one's going to be able to pronounce that because it's spelled like filet mignon with two silent Gs. Right. So my middle name was Lawrence because I'm named after my father and my grandfather. So I'm actually Joseph Lawrence, Mignon, the third. And then they just shortened it to Lawrence, which is where we got that lovely generic Lawrence. And then did all you guys take on? Lawrence after that?

Yeah. Yeah, it was like impossible. I mean, I still have, like I have Mignon. I never legally changed. I did. I did because after 9-11, right. They did. After 9-11, I had passports, corpse.

Everything was in either Mignon, Lawrence. I couldn't travel. It was a disaster. So I just legally changed it so I could travel. Because, you know, they made so many things different after 9-11, right? Yeah. The sport didn't match your license and your corp didn't match this. It was a nightmare.

So I changed. Hold on. Is it because you were the oldest and you had some success early and then everyone was sort of following in the footsteps of it was like it was like what is it yes it was so much success that they had to go we all got to take the name i mean that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying is that kind of what happened i mean well in a yes yes come on you are a heartthrob you are on every young girl's wall for a minute there yeah yep now i get to see pictures of how i looked and it makes me feel great um but uh no it's it's it's it's

You know, as you age, you chronologically, they remind you of what you used to look like. It's so true. It's amazing. It's amazing. All the side by sides, aren't they great? Oh, God. The best. The best.

Well, let's get into this a little bit. Well, let's start with just the basics. Where were you raised? Philadelphia. Yeah. We're from Philly boys. Why are you wearing a Falcons hat, dude? I don't know why.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was his girlfriend took to a Falcons game. Yeah. So, yeah, this is my second team now, because it's kind of my second. Oh my God. I'm an Eagles guy, Hartford.

You understand. I'm an Eagles guy, period. Period. Period. Period. It's just today. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. No, I get it. Listen, I dated a flyer once. So I spent some time in Philly. Yeah. Cherry Hill. Oh, you're telling you. Wow.

Shout out to Brian Fortuna. Jersey, yeah. Yeah. Our dad had an office right near Cherry Hill for years growing up. Oh, really? So you guys, did you ever go into New York City? Were you like, did you go in all the time? I mean, I got my start commercials right in New York.

So my mom would basically, once I showed an interest in it and, you know, whatever, I mean, we would drive to Trenton. Matt was with us. He was like one. And we would, then my mom would schlep us both in there. And then I would go for the train to Trenton to Manhattan. Brenton, right into Manhattan and walk to these cattle calls and, you know, do all these commercial auditions, you know, where they take your Polaroid. You go up in this like elevator that took like three hours because it was basically like.

Oh, the elephant was like two rats pulling the courts up. You got to the very top. And then all of a sudden, you know, there's like a thousand kids in there. And I don't know how I did it, but I got a lot of these commercials. So we had to go a lot. How did that get started though? I mean, like were you, did you want to be an actor? Did you like to perform?

No, it was like four. No, I'm saying. but your parents are like, you know, hey, kid, you're going to do this. No, yeah, dude, he was, we've got home videos of like when he was, I don't know, I was a baby. Yeah, like 17 months. And he's dancing and singing and saying, I want to be in the TV. I want to be in the TV. Like, he wanted to do it as far back as I can remember.

And then our parents would put him back into his cage and feed him all that he used to make his dance. We had a very interesting childhood. Yeah. We're only a circus family, kind of. Yeah, we moved to the next city. Back up. Wait, what are the years of, what are your years apart? Matt and I are three and a half, and then Andy and I are almost 12.

And then there's eight, eight between me and Andy. Oh, so you were, you were, you were. You're like, Wyatt. We thought we were getting a puppy. Yeah, they did. When they were telling us. We got a surprise. Matt wanted a dog forever.

We were like, it's a dog. We got a puppy name. No, it's a brother. We were like, oh, wow. Oh, God. Terrible. Started him. Yeah.

Yeah. He actually did start. He did. He did. Yeah. But then we loved him so much, honestly, that he, he, we had to put him down the ground because he didn't learn to walk because all we did was carry him everywhere. Oh, I bet. Oh.

That's actually the cutest thing. You had to let him go. We did. We did. We literally were carrying him everywhere. Still to this day with his motorcycle. I have to let him go. when he drives off on that thing.

It's true. Oh, no. So how did this relationship sort of blossom evolve? Blossom? I didn't do that on purpose, by the way. That was not on purpose. That's why. But being beat.

I could I never come up with a line like that. Never. The I heart was like, we don't want the Lawrence's. They suck. But it's all right. But we're going to set. We bet we went to build it ourselves. Like, all right, spend our own money.

Why not? The industry is locked down anyway. No one's making anything. It's spend money. Perfect. Great investment. I highly recommend. Right. Exactly. It looks good, dude. It looks really good. It looks amazing.

So to our credit card bills, believe me. Okay, okay, wait. Hold on. Let's go back. Let's go back. So you guys grow up and the first eight years before your younger bro came along was, did it kind of everything revolve around Joey, you and like wanting to be, an actor and dancing and singing and working did like the whole family all of a sudden did you be were you in that like you know you know yes but it was it was a great balance where it literally i wanted to do it so bad right so great balance for you so bad so and it was a good there was a good thing worked out yeah these guys followed me around wherever i went and uh i crushed no um no but uh essentially i wanted to

do it. So they were having this picture contest. And, you know, I won the picture contest and they sent it to this agent in New York. And it was at a local mall, right? I was like four and a half. Willa Grove, right? No, no, no, no, it was not Jake to Town Mall. It was another mall. It was I don't know the mall. But it was, I don't know the mall. But whatever, Willa Grove was the mall we went to growing up. That was the best. At any rate. And then they sent it to New York, this agent, they basically said, we wanted to come up. So my mom, I was like five at the time. Let's go up. And they wanted me to read this like monologue you know and i didn't read i mean i didn't really read that well because i was five right so i didn't read all these big words so it was huge and the the agent said we'll

take him outside and see if he can memorize it my mom was like memorize oh my god this is he's five i don't know if he memorized this and apparently i would memorize the whole thing right so my mom would recite these lines i really am you really are cite these uh recite these lines to me i remember them verbatim went back in did it and then whatever i went out on an audition two days later for that national commercial for Cracker Jack and it was like I don't know whatever thousands of kids and I got it and then I got like 50 national commercials

in the first year right so she's unheard of that's a lot that's crazy that's insane dude back then too do you still get residuals from these commercials I mean I no not really I mean I still get residuals from Home Alone too because I sang in the chorus you do or one home alone

I sang in the chorus I was in this chorus It's like an Easter. Wait, I'm going to watch it again now. I'm going to watch. Buzz was holding up the candle for my ear. Yes. I wouldn't know this. That's awesome.

I'm in that chorus. Oh, wow. And then I get like 10 cents every once in a while. I know. That's perfect. That's about it. Sometimes I get like point, I get like two cents. And I'm like, wait, is that, isn't the paper and the envelope cost more?

Yeah. Yeah. But at least they're being fair and honest. Fair and honest. Now they're charging me. You're like, wait a minute. Negative, Fidji. Well, that's because post it.

Exactly. Yeah. The negative. Nobody liked it. That's a thing. Money back. It's a weird. So in any rate.

So what did mom did was mom, mom, and just did it all become about, you auditioning? And what did dad do? Like, what are your parents? What's your parents situation? dad still to this day sold insurance life insurance he's in life insurance he's great at it and my mom was a school teacher he still does he still does wow yeah so you know everything kind of got i started to do these commercials and then and then i did enough national commercials where i was kind of like all over tv and then johnny carson saw it and then i had to go out

to california and audition for carson right because you back in the day as you know you were on Carson, like, and if you did a good job on Carson, like literally the next day, like your life changed, right? Because it was like 30, 40, 50,000 people. So wait, well, hold on, all on. You got to audition for Carson just to go on the show, meaning just to be interviewed. Because I was on a household name, right? So they wanted to make sure I was cute on TV. I was doing, you know, Tylenol commercials and Coca-Cola commercials, big commercials. But they didn't know what I could do. And apparently I had also been tap dancing from the time I was three, right? So I could tap dance and I could sing. And so I went out there with my boom box and I and I had give my regards to Broadway on my boom box and I

have my tap shoes with me and I went into Johnny's office and I swear and I've told this story but I never forget it that he had shag carpet so I didn't know what I was going to do because you can't tap dance on shag carpet right but he had a huge wooden desk and everybody in there Ed DeCortovan the legendary producer of the tonight show and Johnny was in there and they said you're going to sing a dance for us I said yes but I can't tap on this floor and Johnny said clear the desk it was a huge desk and And he- You're also five.

So, of course it was you. I was love. I was a little. It was a normal- I was a normal side of death. Go ahead. So Godi literally put me up on the desk and they pressed play on my boombox. And I sang and danced, gave my regards to brought with my tap routine.

And literally, we got home. So I did my audition. We flew home the next morning. That night on the answering machine was-the-answering machine. Do you remember getting home? You had like three or four messages? And you were like, oh, who called? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Uh, and anyway, and it was Joel Thurm over at NBC, and they said, listen, Johnny wants to have him on next Friday night, which was the big show. It was the hour and a half show. And so we flew back out to California and I had two songs prepared. Um, and they said, we're probably not going to get to the second song. He'll do an interview. Do the, do this, do the song. And then I did my song and my interview and it went so well, Johnny said, can you stick around? I did a second song. And then I had one of these iconic moments on the show where I said I had never really seen the show except one night when I was up vomiting. And, and, And it, like, is on the best of tapes. And Joan Rivers walks out after me on her knees and says, I'll never be able to follow that. And then the next morning, Brandon Tarticoff from NBC called and said, listen, we want to sign this guy to a deal. And so I shot, like, two pilots for NBC, one that Ron Howard directed called Little Shots, which was the first. It was actually Goonies before Goonies, believe it or not.

It was 100% Goonies, but they ended up doing a much better version as a movie later. And the other one was called Scamps, which Sherwood Schwartz, who created the Brady Bunch, Gilligan's Island. It was with Gilligan himself and his wife, Dream of Denver, Bob Denver, Dream of Denver. That show didn't go. And they had just shot a pilot called Give Me a Break with Nell Carter, this big, fantastic, amazing Tony Award winner, super talented.

Obviously, Nell Carter, the legendary. And they wanted to add a young kid to that. So I became a jury's kids who showed up at a woman looking to be adopted. And that was the show. So at what point did you get into drugs and alcohol and get all fucked up? you know what I mean like I it's it's really incredible that you're here you're fucking yoke do you look good because what a life growing up like that to be happened so quickly too I mean did you have a childhood you know what I mean I did my my parents I stayed enrolled in my school in

Philadelphia Abington friends uh Bradley Cooper actually we grew up right around the corner from each other but but Bradley went to Abington high I went to Abington friends which was the Quaker like sort of private school. And I was like for there. I went back every three weeks on my hiatus weeks. Took all my tests, hung out with all my friends. I graduated from there in 94. So yeah, my parents really kept it in perspective. I never did drugs, you know, never got into that stuff. I was always sports, working out, music, you know. Yeah. That's great. September Owens feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, are just a fresh season.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, how is that dynamic for you guys? Like, with your bro, let's start with, like, early on. Was that hard for you to kind of be 18 months younger and to watch him going through all of that? Like, did you feel pressure to have to follow in his footsteps? I mean, you know what it was? It wasn't, we're so, we're kind of opposing personalities.

Joe is definitely the get out there and entertain and kind of the sit back and get gain a perspective type of guy. So there was a little bit of that. But I had a choice. My parents never were like, you have to do this. I actually turned down a lot of stuff when I was young. I was like, I'm just not going to do this. I don't want to do this.

But they never gave me too much trouble for that. And then, you know, it was more of this. It was more I didn't want to necessarily be the heart drop. I saw what a lot of what it did, especially just being like super famous when you're a teenager. I saw what it had done to Joe, his peers. Like, it's just so much pressure that I didn't want that. That's the only thing I didn't want. I was kind of like really, you know.

And what were your, so what were you? Do you think that that made you kind of focus on other things, like your passions, like, went in a different direction? 100%. Animals in nature and building, construction, you know, architecture, things like that really. You know, I, when you're a kid, I don't know if you guys feel like this. I mean, you guys, your family has been underneath. that light for forever. And, but it's like, you don't get to relate.

When your kid and kids know you, it's hard to relate to other kids your age, and they have a hard time relating to you as well. So when you get these two kids and one of them's famous, it's like, for me, that even pushed me further to gravitate towards the connection. But when we were little, you can understand, like, we could not be, we had, we were Hudson's. So like, when we were younger, people had no idea who our parents were unless our parents were around right wow so we didn't have like you know what i mean like even though we we and

we also had the same thing which was i mean oliver makes a joke that i was i was more comfortable with it but the truth is we both like hated the attention that our parents always got we much prefer to have them to ourselves right we didn't want people to know or i didn't want anyone to know who are my my parents were because i wanted to be liked for me you know and and i would do everything that i could to avoid anyone knowing who my parents were. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a little bit different. Like I would think like if Oliver was like growing up,

if he was on, if you were like, I don't know, on like the big like 902 or like one of those shows, I would have, it would have been weird for me to be like, oh my God, you know. Right, right, right. Like if I was like Gary Coleman. That would be weird. That would definitely be weird.

That would be very weird. Okay. So now, so now, do people call you Andrew or Andy? Oh, whatever you prefer? Andy. So now you're, so now you enter eight years in. Joey, you're like clearly, you're clearly doing your thing. Doing your thing.

And was it, did you always feel almost like an only child and that you had some separation with the boys? or was immediately like... No, I was, but at the time I joined the party, I think all the kinks kind of had been worked out, so it was just rock and roll. It was go time. You know, and I was very lucky. My family, we all really kind of moved as a pack.

We did. We just kind of traveled around as a pack. And then it led to us doing projects together. You know, we had a show, Brotherly Love, a sitcom, Joe coming off of Blossom. They had, you know, he had the opportunity. They offered him to do any kind of show that he wanted to do. and he included us in that, and it just made sense.

So we, and then we did a lot of movies together and stuff. So for me, it was normal. I just, it was all very normal. Well, hold on. Let's go back, though, because how did you guys get into the business? If you were into, you know, nature, which I am too, and all these, like, just for more earthy stuff. At what point, we're like, okay, fuck it.

Let's, let's roll. Let's do this, you know? Matt. Probably like, about seven months ago. No. Oh, no. You know, it was kind of, I got lucky. Joe had had blazed this trail, and I had a lot of opportunities with that.

I still do. Like, I get his clothes now and things like that. There's always a lot of stuff, a lot of benefits to it. So, yeah, when it comes to work, you know, he really had blazed a trail. So me coming along, I had, you know, people going, hey, he's the younger brother. You know, maybe he'll have the same things. They gave me opportunities. And I had the doors that were open.

Sorry to interrupt it. How did you give me a break? Because weren't you both? I don't even know. I'm just interrupting. Yeah, they added. But that's because I had done another show. Funny enough, I think, actually, with Mark.

Mark Hudson? Rose? No, Mark Hudson. Sarah. Mark? Our Uncle Mark? Yeah. Really?

Oh, my God. Yeah, so there was like this, anyway. What show was that? Sarah? It's called Sarah. It was with Gina, Gina Davis, Gary David Goldberg did it. It was a fan. Bill Marr was on it.

It's an amazing show. Yeah. Amazing show. Wait, Uncle Mark was on a show? I don't know. Wait, we need to know more about this. What was it? Who did the show? Was it NBC?

I don't know. Maybe did the music. Was he doing the music? Was he the music? You wrote this little song for me. I'll never forget. Oh my God. Okay.

That makes sense. Yeah, I'll never forget it ever. Yeah, so anyway I thought, I was like, oh my God, I didn't realize Uncle Mark was doing some like acting on the side But he was doing the show How old were you, Matt, when you, when you did this? Maybe like three or something.

Three and a half, three and a half, something like that. So then it was this amazing show But it just never went past like eight episodes or something So they were like the same kind of a thing. They were like, well, you know what? Let's add them to give me a break. And then I think that was really what started the whole brother unit

because that worked. Like we had, I was kind of on my own. I was kind of a little, again, I was a little shy, but put me on camera with Joe, and it kind of did that lightning and a bottle thing. And then that kind of started the whole brother thing. That's a good point. I never even thought about it until now,

but being a kid, you know, suspending reality is easier, but then putting them, you know, opposite a family member, it just becomes that much easier to have chemistry and to feel normal and to deliver. So fun. Right.

I know. We talk about that all the time. Like how fun it would be if we could do something. I haven't you guys done something together? I'll put it together. What is this? I think we're doing it, you know? Oh, yeah.

Well, we're doing this. It's a good question. Everyone's trying to figure it out as a family. It's very difficult. There's a thousand actors now. I don't know. At one point, we're going to make it happen in one way or another. You know what I mean?

For sure. I think we're just going to do like, I'd love to see. Community, we'll do community theater. We'll do some like local Santa Monica Playhouse. That sounds so fun. Yeah, just the whole family doing Santa Monica Playhouse. That would be all.

There's like, there's like 15 seats in there. Exactly. That would be the best. I'll sell out every night. Exactly. We would, we could sell those seats maybe for a lot of money. 150 bucks. 150 bucks, two nights only.

That's it. Do it. Do it. Oh my gosh. Wait, hold on. So Andy, you come into the picture now. You've got these two brothers. They're older, obviously, now.

And at what point are you sort of not necessarily enamored with, but are realizing, oh, shit, I guess this is my path as well. Yeah, it must have been, you know, I think it was probably a little presumptuous of me. But again, I just, I just figured it was normal. I don't know. And then I, again, I, Matt was on a show called Walter and Emily. Oh, yeah. And a similar thing happened where they needed a younger role or so.

And I was on the set and then somehow my mom petitions for me to audition for it and I got it. Really, the true story is that, I mean, it's all true, but when Andy was born, no joke. Oh, yeah. Brandon Tardikoff, he had me on NBC, right? Matt was on NBC now and there was a lot of success happening there. When Andy was born, I'll never forget this. We were in the hospital and a massive bouquet of flowers came, right? Because I was 12, so I remember, almost 12.

I was 11.5. And it was, and it was from Brandon Tartikoff. And he said, congratulations. Donna on the third Lawrence and in the envelope was a contract to sign Andy to an overall deal that's my god do you still have that that is awesome my mom has that my god that's so funny that is great was there ever a moment where you were like any of you guys were like I am done I don't want to do this anymore when yeah when when Andy was born my mom decided that I was going into the sixth grade right and she wanted to pull me out of

the business so that I could really submerge myself in all my friends, because I had been at that school, but I was going in the middle school now, you know, and so all my friends, and I wanted to go to school dances and play sports and do all these things. So I was, I basically six, seven, eighth grade, all I did was work during the summer, and I did commercials and movies and stuff, but during the school year, I was there every day. It was the greatest three years of my life. Like, I had, you know, the first kiss, and I played sports and went to all the dances and did exactly what I needed to do, cemented my relationships of all my childhood friends. I didn't have any industry friends. I had childhood friends. I mean, I had industry acquaintances. I knew

everybody, right? And I was friendly with them. But my friends were Chris Wolfe and Ross and Josh and, you know, that was, you know, Mason. That's so healthy. It's nice to hear because usually you hear these stories, obviously where these young actors, young actors come up and they're just all screwed up because of being in the business. you know what I mean and they get into all the shit and you know but like that crew for you would have been

like the Hame and Feldman and all the kids right or Solae did that whole documentary you know and she's my age you know did you watch that Salaid Moonfries documentary yes yes I think there was a voicemail she used of mine and that because she was on our pod

talking about it and everything oh she was yeah yeah yeah uh Sillay was actually in the pilot four little shots that I did for NBC with Ron Howard. She was in that. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects,

or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable,

somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything, from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready.

Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations,

but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. and that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other,

sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present.

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Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Did your parents shield you from these things? Did they understand sort of the down, the pitfalls? Or were they more, or was it just you and your personality? And you're like, no, I don't want to participate in the fast life, I guess. I loved my family, right? So I really bought in to the idea of family. I didn't want to go anywhere unless my family was around, right? We took family vacations together. Even if I brought my best friend, he was, would come with my family, right?

And I never really had a desire to do that. I got off on working really hard, right, being successful and sports and music, which I was able to do, you know, at a high level there for a while. It was really neat. It also sounds like you guys have such a wholesome, your parents. Are they still together? No. There's still a lot of great.

That was one of the consequences of this journey. Yes. Through L.A. Is it my dad, he definitely wanted to stay on the East Coast. Yeah. Yeah. That's where all of, you know, his side of his business was, his family, and everybody, you know. So there was a tug and pull there for a while. And then in L.A., you know, because now we're all working, right?

We got one parent on a set with one, another parent on set with the other. And, like, that was the, in that era, we were doing so much. And I kind of popped off there for a minute. We were fractured. And my mom, my dad, well, not together. We're often different parts of the world half the time. So you broke up your parents. I mean, the journey.

The journey for sure did. Unfortunately, that was a consequence for them. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. That's interesting, though. It also, but it does sound like they are, you know, very secure and good parents. Like, you know, your mom being a teacher, your dad works really hard. I think, like, if you think about it going into, it doesn't matter.

what you go into, if you've got a good example, then you're not usually not going to get into all of that trouble. A lot of times when you hear these stories about young actors and kids, they're familial, their background is pretty tough. You know, I was, I was hard on myself, right? Because you're always in the public eye, right? So, like, trying to be perfect. And, you know, I mean, you know, every hair had to be in perfect place. Right. Right. Right. So, so it gets, it gets in here. But I never, I never, I never, I never. I never. I never. got off on drugs. I never wanted to try it. As a matter of fact, I literally did not go out until I was 21. I did not go into a club and have a drink until I was 21 because I was like, everybody

knew I was and I thought it was pathetic that I was going to be in there at 18. And everyone's like, oh, God, he's drinking. He shouldn't be drinking. Not that I could. You know, the opposite is, whatever, I'm Corey Haim or Corey Filman. I'm going to go in there because I'm 17, but I can do whatever I want. I went the opposite way. I was like, everybody knows who I am. It's embarrassing. Like, I'm going to be the youngest one in there, and they're all going to think it's a joke. So I'm not going to step in there until I am 21, and I can honestly say, nope, I can have a drink because I'm 21, you know? Yeah, and I didn't. Were you guys like that?

Well, here's the thing. No, I mean, no, not 100%. No, I mean. Andy? Andy. He's the worst by far. He's got, he's got a lot. I can tell.

I can just tell immediately. Yeah. Yeah. But it's really true. You love the club at 19. Yeah. Yeah. I started around 19.

you know doing trying things and doing all that but it's really true honestly i mean dude you really did you set a heck of a bar an example there you really never did any of this stuff like it was just always work and focus well you know it's that it was that like mamba mentality honestly like i've seen it before and other guys he's got that kind of a you know just laser focus look i mean honestly i also felt a lot of pressure being the oldest my parents drilled that into me that i had to set an example right especially for him yeah for so much of parts i was more like an uncle for a while, you know, but it was, I really took it seriously. And I, I, I did not want to partake in that because I knew I had to come home every night and I wanted to be a good

example for these guys. We were still, here's the best thing. We were still sharing bump beds at the height of his success. Like literally, he's like in the top monk. I didn't move out. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't move into the den. We didn't buy like our, our like, our like, house house. I didn't buy it till like, you know, much later. So, like, we, like, we, We, yeah, Matt and I were sharing a room when I was 16. I mean, straight. Yeah. So I got to move into the den at 16.

That's true. The den. So, you know. They didn't even have proper doors. No. When did your parents split up? Well, they were married 30 years. So I was 20, like, 23.

Yeah, I was a younger. So, Andy, that was probably harder. But for Andy, he was. He caught the, he caught the, he caught the, 14. Andy caught a lot of the fucking. So how did that? work between the brothers? You know what I mean? You've got the younger one who may be going through it a little bit more. I mean, did you have to sort of take on a different role? Both of you

boys, to your younger brother? I mean, how was that support system? Or was there one? I don't have a lot of great things about the way I handled. Honestly. Oh, really? Hold on. Hold on. Yeah, I honestly, at about six months into the divorce process, I was so overwhelmed. I was like, I got to get out. And I literally just bounced. I pulled all of my business out of the family. I bought a little place. I moved.

I didn't. And this is my, I've got a few regrets. One of my main regrets, though, is that I really was not there for Andy in that period of time. I mean, I understand I needed it as well to kind of get that break.

But yeah, my support for Andy for about a year and a half was not there. Joey? I was around, you know, I tried to recreate a family home and, you know, so we could have Christmas, you know, and, uh, you know, we could have Christmas there and form a base where everybody could sort of gather. Um, I, you know, I got, I got married on the younger side, you know, well, I, I got married for a brief period of time there, right, during the divorce. He was really, trying to recreate, reaching there. Yeah, family. Yeah, that didn't work. And then, and then I got married shortly thereafter again, but I was married 15 years.

years and I have two beautiful daughters from that. And unfortunately, that didn't work out. But, um, but, uh, you know, uh, the Gipper always tries again. So, uh, no, no, I mean, look, that, you just keep going. I keep going. I mean, that's normal. I know. Yeah, Kate, Kate knows, you know.

Great lady and, uh, you know, really great. And, and, and I have an 11 month old daughter. So I have a 17 year old daughter, 13 year old daughter and 11 month old daughter. Wow. I have 20 in January. and then I have 12 and 5. Wait, wait, you have a 20-year-old? Wow.

I was really young. You have a 20-year-old, a 12-year-old, and then a 5-year-old. Wow. So you basically are in my boat. That's right. Get this, with six different guys. I don't know. Math is some interesting.

Yeah, figure that one out. Look at your boat. I mean, that's it. Just doing the math. But Andy, Andy, how did, but how, when? Wait, with one of them, Nick Cannon. But growing up with that situation with you, Andy, like, how are you dealing with that being so young? You know, did you want to lean on your brothers for support or?

you know, how did you go through all this? Oh, no, man. There was a lot going on. Geez. You leaned on us. Good question, bro. I've never heard Andy actually talk about this, to be honest. You still haven't asked him.

I'm bottled it up. He does bottle it up. Well, good thing you're on this podcast, Andy. Don't bottle it up, man. You got to cry or something. We do. It just cuts to us and we're all bought it. Right, way too easily.

It's just a way too easy. You guys are better than Oprah. Stopper to do. Well, you can scratch the surface. I mean, you know, did you harbor shit? Do you harbor shit? Not towards these guys, no. Right.

Parental conflict is never a healthy thing probably for anyone to deal with. But it happens. And, you know, there's a lot of people that have dealt with it and deal with it. Yes, but then you're not a lot of people who are asking you. Personal experience. Of course, it was terrible, but, you know, that it... But what did you go to? I never...

What did you think? Where'd you think I was? I just bounced? Do you okay with it? I was just about to ask that, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I had my own thing, man. I had my own life.

Actually, he kind of did it to the point where he was so forward with his life and way ahead of his years that there was one night where I remember this is what kind of brought me back in the family where my mom calls me. Like, this is end game when it comes to this guy. And I get there. And sure enough, her call. is blocking him from leaving and how you were getting out, I don't know.

He was about 15. He had his permit. We wasn't supposed to be driving. This is not true. This is... We used to I block him in. He's got these group of people that were not a good group of people. And we had to tell them off. Oh, God. They're like... We told them off and we did. We did. We'd block him. Cino. They don't know what I mean?

Like, I don't know. I'm in the ground. Casino. Like Sharon Stone walked out all of a sudden. You know, how rough could it be. It's true, though. Yeah. Yeah, but all the shit. Of course.

You were alone. You're eight years younger than Matt. So obviously, right? So, I mean, like, you're sitting there dealing with your, you were probably at the heat of all of that. And that's. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's definitely.

I thought we're each able to insulate ourselves, but still, but still be there. Andy was obviously just in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, well, moving forward, moving forward, then how did you? How did you guys all sort of come back together to sort of create this brotherly love? You know, I mean, how did it all happen? After all the shit went down, Andrew's D and he's dealing with his stuff. Matt pieces out for a year and a half. Like at what point did it all of a sudden sort of come back together? I think it started to come back together, be honest with you, like when I did Melissa and Joey

and I was able to have these guys on, it was the first time that we had been on camera together in a long time. And they each were on a couple episodes, right? right, and playing different parts, you know, and, and it was really fun. I think, you know, that show was, that show was very successful, so it was really fun to to be able to have them on that. And we had not been in a situation like that. And so much time had passed that we now were pretty much all grown men, right?

So we hadn't really worked together since we were, since we were underage, you know. So that, I think was for me, like, wow, this is interesting. And then Andy really decided to start, like, jumping into film production and filmmaking. And believe it or not, got himself to a point where he was, he directed, believe it or not. I mean, truly, but like, here, this guy over here. Brothers. Brothers. And he's a testament to just like doing it, right? Some people talk about it. Some people can be schooled in it, but other people just do it, right?

And those people are the ones that really are the ones that kind of have an edge if they just do it, right? Because a lot of people sit around and talk about doing it. But the people that actually do it are the ones that usually kick ass, right? So Andy just went and did it. And he directed this kind of like really cool sort of action movie with Kelsey Grammer. I don't know how he just like talking to something like, I can do it. I know I can do it. And these producers said, all right, we believe you.

And he said, hey, guys, I'm directing this movie with Kelsey Grammer. And we're like, what are you directing? What are you directing? He's like, this little action film. He's got a WWE guy, this super famous dude, Adam the Edge Copeland. It's got, I'm like, what? You're directing? He's like, yeah.

And some side, I think people think it's really easy to get a movie made. It's really, really, really hard to get a movie made, you know, even just to get it done is an amazing piece. So hard. So Andy and I had both Matt and I in that movie in tiny parts just to have some fun. And then Andy started like it did really well. So Andy got other opportunities. And believe it or not, he directed this lifetime thriller, which he wanted me to do.

And I was like, all right. I'll do it. You know, but I know. I actually ended up meeting my wife on this thing, which is so wild because I had never ever worked with anybody and, like, dated them ever, like, ever, right? That was like a rule of mine. Looks like 80's got the magic touch with casting.

Yeah. And it was like right at the beginning of COVID. And my gosh, it was just the craziest thing that ever happened. Now, what happens when you disagree creatively, especially like, because in brother, love you were all playing yourselves right basically well

really extended versions like I was the I was kind of a neurotic teenager that was kind of didn't want to be you know looked at and stuff so they just took that to the extreme I mean it was a scripted show we were it was scripted

but okay but like how did like creatively what happens when you're either you either don't agree with the other one or there's creative differences even when you're working with your brother as a director You know

Who usually wins the argument Right like like like the neon sign behind you Who liked it the most And who had to be like all right fine How was he all right fine You were Matt You were like there I'm like all right fine

I was a little worried that The space and the letter Didn't make it clear enough It didn't pop out enough But they love it I have a rule Working together as we do now Right like we're doing this pod

And we're doing a big action movie next year for Fox, right? This kind of like diehard thing in a hospital. It'll be really fun. I'll finally be able to kick some ass in a movie and I'm looking forward to that. But we have a majority rules thing, right? So if two of the three of us say yes, it doesn't really matter what, like, I could hate it. The third one can just fuck.

Yeah, yeah. The third one can just go fuck themselves because like that's, we're never going to, we do agree a lot, but we always have absolutely different opinions. Oh, yeah. Well, sometimes we, I mean. Yeah. But if two of us go, dude, that's what's happening to any of the other, then that's it. We just fold it.

But I really like it because I got to be honest, I think the best stuff comes out of when we're, we have two really different opinions and we go at it. I feel like something better comes out of it than either of the opinions that were there originally. So I think it's a good part of the process, but while it's occurring, it's not fun at all. I mean, essentially it's what America was supposed to be founded on. And now there you go. There's a two-party system where you have conflicting ideas and a better one comes up, right? That's it. That's it. I mean, when it works, it works great.

Yeah, yeah. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone?

Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one.

We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might live. lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that

Paola and I don't call or text each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize

fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health. health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands and then to find out again that you're just not.

Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What are you looking forward to now? Like when you guys are doing your podcast and I mean, I know for all overnight, it's been just the most fun to be able to be together all the time.

It sounds like you guys have been together forever. You've been working together all the time. But like what are you looking forward to in these next couple years? Taking a vacation. Oh, you have family vacation would be great. Together? No, no, no, I'm in alone. I'm not alone.

No, no, no. You have time together. No, I'm kidding. No, a huge family vacation would be great. That's like on the short. The long term, I don't know, I think we're all kind of thinking this way. We want to get a big property somewhere. We want to have, you know, maybe a little studio, like a center of, like place we have a kitchen where everybody, you know, goes to the kitchen and a gym.

Community gym, start a religion, you know? It's fucking fun. He keeps going with this cold joke, and it's just not funny, Ann. You got to take that one out. Do you all play music? Yeah. Yeah, we like music, yeah. And so what instruments do you all play?

Who plays what? I play the piano. I'm not a master. He plays guitar, and he's an incredible guitar player. I didn't master an instrument. Should have. So you sing. Yeah.

And you can write. is on piano or guitar and do you ever write together and make music together oh yes yeah we do we're actually Andy came up with this really cool track for our podcast that we're about we're gonna have a theme song we're gonna record it later yeah it's great oh amazing so wait that's what we should do we should write we should I should I should write yeah I'll sing yeah I'll sing whatever yeah you can sing I mean, can you sing too? Because I know you can really sing. Kay can really sing.

Kate has a record coming out. I can sing. I'm probably, here's the thing. I'm probably the most talented person in the family, but I don't have the Andy sort of just go for it, drive. You know what I mean? I just rest on my charms and my good looks.

And I just got, and my God-given talent. Very talented. Very, very talented. I feel like you make fun of yourself and you're not, you actually really are incredibly talented. I use that self-deprecation to mask a lot of pain. That's the way in, dude.

A lot of pain. I usually just use rage to get rid of the pain. I just make fun of myself and then get in my car and leave and cry. Oh, that's awesome. Well, you guys should do a little. Oh, man. I like that idea. You know, our Uncle Mark wrote our intro song.

Yeah. So he wrote a song for us as well. Oh. Yeah. And, um, but maybe we should have. Yeah, we should either do it or we should have the Hudson brothers. Yeah. Right.

Oh my gosh. Let's get to know them first. I love that you guys write music together. And when you sing, do you like harmonize and stuff? Yes. Yeah, we love to. Yeah, we do that. And are you do, are you, are you?

Doesn't it make you so happy? It does. I love, I love music so much, you know. It's my life. It's everything. And then kids, Mary. Andy, do you have kids? You're married?

No kids. No kids. And you guys got kids. You got kids. Matt, you got one, no, zero. I'm the only one. I'm the only one. I've been a parent, obviously, Kate, you know.

I've been a parent since 2006, so long. Yeah. I got you beat. I have a 20-year-old. I can't put it in a house. I was so ready, though. I was so funny. At the time, I was like, I was just ready to be a mom.

And now I look back, I'm like, holy fuck, I was young. Like, I was not ready to be a mom. But he turned out great. I'm really proud of him. Yeah, right. I'm so, I did something right and it's showing in him right now. Like he's a great, he's a great man, young man, and he's doing, he's in a great place. I couldn't be happier.

So going back really quickly, okay, to sort of the success that you guys were having as young kids. When that success started to sort of wean or did you feel it, meaning like, oh shit, I was up here and now, uh, then ain't, it's ticking down. How do I keep this? Do that affect you guys in any way? Do you have to keep chasing? How did that work for y'all? Yeah, look, I think one of the, look, one of the benefits of breaking in a little bit later is that is that you get a lot more street cred for the success. You know, when you have a lot of success of the young age like I did, you know, I mean, a perfect example is that when I was doing Joey Russo on Blossom, it was essentially the same character that Matt LeBlanc was playing on friends, right? And, you know, and honestly, the story is

that, you know, the truth is that that that character was, uh, they had Matt was the predator, the, right, you know, they wanted, when Warren Littlefield took over NBC, uh, and they, they were developing friends, you know, they wanted a, a 25 year old Joey Russo, right? Because that character was so successful. Matt LaBlock actually came over to watch how I played Joey Russo, okay, because there's a real fine line between being a letcherous womanizer, but if you're innocent with it. If you don't understand what you're actually saying, you can get away with saying anything, right? So, so, you know, if the woman was actually, there's extremely likable if there's, if there's an exuberance and innocence about it, it was like, did you see the boobs

on that lady? Did you see them? They were so beautiful. Like, if you said that with like, you know, some lecturers, like, did you see the wreck on that? It becomes gross. But if there's this childlike innocence with it, you can get away with anything. So that's what they wanted them to tap into, right? So And the great thing is that, you know, he went on to win Emmys, right? And everybody thought that's who I was. So that's the difference when you get to break in a little later and then you break in when you're young. Is that I did not get any credit. They don't think you're putting on performance in an essence.

They think that's who you are. Right. Right. So there was a big stigma. Then I had to try and break through. And I saw a lot of my other peers that were going on to do big movies. And, you know, I'm a physical dude. Like, I always wanted to do like die hard.

I always wanted to do lethal weapon. that's the kind of stuff that I wanted to do bring that sense of humor to like that action stuff because I don't think a lot of guys really do that tactfully but like Mel did it and Bruce Willis obviously was the greatest at it. Harrison Ford did it in his prime with Indiana Jones

I know another guy who does it very well who? Kurt. Oh yeah that guy. Yeah. Unbelievable animal. Dude, unbelievable. Jack Burton. Wait, Tango and Cash Yeah, Tango and Cash. Yeah. Tush Tango and Cash, bro. the best but at any rate

so but those opportunities I had to literally fight my ass off and I never got those you know so for me movies are going to break much later

I feel like I'm going to be like Liam Nissan now and by the time I take it I'm going to be like in my 50s you know wow hey we never knew this guy could do it so it's very tough

to break in very young and to have the kind of success that I have because it really is difficult And then to maintain it. Kurt always said they, you know, when I was little, I wanted to, I was like shot out of the canon just right out the bat I wanted to be performing. And my parents were like, absolutely not.

Because that was what they were concerned about. It was like, you know, my mom let me audition for this sitcom. I actually got the part. Didn't know that I got the part. She said absolutely not to them and told me that I didn't get the part, which actually was good for me. Because then I was like, oh. I had that opportunity and then I went and I could go be a kid and I didn't think about it for a while.

But what I realize is that what Kurt always said, which is like, if you have to really love it to do it because it's so temperamental and you can have these big, huge moments and be on top of the world, no matter what age you are. And they're always looking for the new thing. But like talent will always win. And if you really love it, you will always do it. You always find a way to do what you love. And you might not get like that thing that you were like, oh, I wanted to be like that. But if you really, really love it, like, it will fulfill you no matter what you're doing. And that was the biggest thing Kurt ever taught me, which was like, you know, and to love other things just as much, you know, not to rely on that as, like, if we relied on that, we'd be living in this.

like roller coaster tumultuous crazy like you know constantly at the back and call of like are we good enough are we good enough are my good enough and and no matter how successful you get you're always up against that in this industry so it's like you know just to even have what did billy Billy Crudup said to me, there's no shame in writing one great song. And there's no shame in directing one great film. And there's no shame in starring in one big movie. There's no shame in doing one good scene, right? No.

Or one line. To even be able to have that opportunity is one in a millions. Yeah, no, it's true. It's true. And I always carry that kind of thing with me. Because as an artist, like, I think you always need to stay, you need to stay in that zone because then you can keep creating more freely. I try to stay, like, present. You have to stay present, right?

Because if you think about the past, it usually brings up feelings of like sadness or lament or you're like, oh, God, I wish I was or I had this. And I, if you think about the future, it's all about stress and anxiety and about like, well, how am I going to get there? What am I going to get? But if you stay present, like you said, you can, you can sort of appreciate what's happening now and truly, you know, have a hand. and what's going to happen, but only if you stay present. And it's very difficult to do. Is there lows for you guys, though? I mean, you know what I mean?

Like, what were some of your lows? Decades long, low. Really? I mean, for real, like, you know, we talk about all the highs, but when were the low periods? Where it's like, am I going to fucking be able to do this? Am I going to do what I love to do anymore? You know what I mean? That kind of shit.

I, first of all, I had that. Five years. Five years without a job. Five years. And I was going for. jobs, dude. In fact, that was during that period. We tested for something. We tested for a pilot together. Dude, I was so in such a rut by that point that I had even forgotten how to screen test. I was so off my game that I couldn't even function properly as an actor at that point,

you know? And so, man, yeah, ruts. Oh my gosh. I went through a divorce. The bottom of the bottom, man. I literally was, I literally was on the couch of my family home that I had both 15 years. years ago and was no longer mine like, dude, I was at the bottom of the bottom, you know? Wow, dude. And then what, how'd you get through it? What brought you out of it? Yeah, you know, family. And then, you know, we really kind of threw all of our hats back into legitimately working together. This podcast, man. Yeah. We were now we're together every Friday. It picked me up. And then I met, I met an amazing woman who just changed my perspective on life and reconnected to my relationship with my spirituality and all these amazing things. And life just

turned around, but for a long time, man, I was on a real serious slide. It literally was in the bottom for like five years, man. I was just bottomed out. Congratulations, buddy. That's nice. When you get out of those things, I mean, the lessons that you learn about yourself, the insight that you have into your own character, it just builds so tremendously that when you can get out, you know, and some people can't, you know what I mean? And then that's a whole different conversation. But when you can get out, you know, you just know who you are through and through and So much better. Dude, it's, it's true, man.

I've been, I've been doing this, you know, 42 years, you know. So it's been, uh, as the bicep comes out. It's been a long, what it two years? You saw, you slipped it out, Joe. You know you did. No, slip it. I'm going to go on a long-slee feature, dude. But it's skin, good me, your skin.

What do you mean? This is next to large, bro. Oh, oh, okay. What is, it doesn't ask. It's all right. It's all right. It happens. I'm used to. No, but, you know, I mean, it's been, it's been so many ups and then, and then a lot of downs, too. You know, I mean, I, you know, I went through a divorce and it's been, it was very difficult. And you were like, there was a whole campaign out against you when you were, like, shaving your head. People were talking about how you looked. They were just ragging on him. What are you on overboard, Matt? You were talking about a terrible you looked at your whole world.

There's like, there's like, all on the hot press for the world to feed on. There's like, there's like, uh, there's like, uh, there's like Joe Lawrence eyebrow sites where like, because my eyebrows were constantly changing because I would do these photo shoots, they'd pluck the crap out of my eyebrows. I look like really like a weird cling on. And I have to be reminded of those pictures all the time.

I, I, I, I, I, I, I hate my head. The one bad eyebrows job that somebody does who live on with infamycy. I got, yeah, it was awful. I got, yeah, yeah, it was terrible. I mean, every hairstyle that I've, that I've had, they, they, they hate them all, you know. And then, and then, yeah, man, I mean, you go through, look, man, I trusted a lot of people. I, I, I, I had to file for bankruptcy. I mean, this has been, it's been a journey, man.

It's been super highs and big time lows. That always worried me. I don't know. No, what are you going to do? I mean, it's just the way it is, right? I've been at the threshold of hell, literally looking over, right? So the good news is I have my faith. Nothing scares me anymore, you know.

You don't really care people think anymore. And I don't care. You know, I really don't care. So I have a lot of things that I want to accomplish still. And, you know, I really believe I'm going to do it. It's just, you know. Because you love it. It's amazing, boys.

Whether there or not, man, it's just been a roller coaster. Probably the day we die. We're in this. Great. I also just your guys's energy is so amazing. I love it so much. I want to hang out. I so want to be in that room with you.

guys right now. And honestly, like, seriously, family is everything. Yeah. And you guys are a great representation of that. Anytime you want to come on our show, come on. Open an invitation. 100%, dude. Real quick, before we get out of here, all you guys, you know, in five years from now, right, if we're manifesting, where we want to be at? You know, Andy, you go first because you're the young and, right? Like, what do we want to do? Are you a director? Yeah, I mean, well, we could, I mean, career-wise, it's a whole thing, but really what the, the ultimate goal would be beyond the career, just to be healthy with my family, in a really awesome location, with friends, just, you know, enjoying that moment and that day. That really is the ultimate goal. Beautiful, buddy.

And how we get there, that's the journey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty similar. It'd be probably somewhere tropical. I know we all love tropics. And we would just have a big property. We'd be growing our own food.

We'd be probably making movies. Kids, grandkids, all that kind of beautiful stuff, man. I love it. I would love to do all that, and I want to remake Romance and the Stone. Great. One of the great movies. I want to redo it. I want to redo it because I just think it's so timely.

Yeah, but not doing. Dude, you can reimagine is what you do, is what you do. And they tried to do that with the Lost City, but honestly, it wasn't that great. So honestly, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like. I feel like that would be so bad ass. Stone romance about the pot head. I like that. That's a great reimagined.

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Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's do our rapid fire round. Okay, who's the best cook? I'd say Andy. I'd say Joe. No, Joe cooks all the time for his family. You're great, but Andy's got like this special little gift with the combination of spices

and things. I've got to be honest. He had this, like, what, acorn squash? That's really the simplest thing. It was perfect. That was not what I was expecting. He baked it with, like, what was it? Cinnamon and, like, and he was incredible.

I was blowing away. And he'll do that like, I am with that school. Do you, now, now, what's your, what's your dish? What's your go-to dish other than acorn? I don't really have a go-to dish. I just like to create, you know, whatever, whatever's calling my name. I make kick-ass sweet potatoes, mashed sweet potatoes, casserole, like, super good. My grandmother's recipe with a little bit of orange.

juice and cinnamon. It's like they're amazing for Thanksgiving. But I love to cook the roasted chickens and I bake fish, but, dude, there's a certain process where you can bake it. It doesn't taste like fish, doesn't smell like fish, but it's really. Did you think there's a certain process you can bake it? I think it's called baking. Yum.

You put it in this thing. I think there's something, I think there's something in Italians' DNA, most Italians, where we just wake up one day take a pot and some something and you start cooking and next thing you know you're like no and you start taking something and then you're like the pasta

and you eat it you don't know time and then all of a sudden next thing you know you're just like a good cook I mean that's what happened to me you're always a great cook I like to smoke and grill but I think it's I literally think that is in our DNA I mean I know there

a lot of cultures do a lot of cooking, but there's something about Italians. I don't think I've ever met an Italian that says I don't cook. You know, you know what it is? I agree with that. No, you know what it is? Food is love. Food is family, too.

It's like the food is the preparation. You put the love in the food. And it's literally like you're giving your love to your family members. Like that's true food. We connect that way, you know? It's true. Who's the funniest? Who makes mom laugh the most?

Take turns and doing that. Family loves to laugh. I mean, get our dad rolling. Our grandparents used to laugh all the time. It's all about laughing. So we get on these roasts. I mean, we were listening to some old naked gun clips before we got on with you guys.

You were in tears. Yeah. We were in tears with each other making each other laugh because itself is so damn funny. But anyway, I don't know. I think we take turns. Hold on. You guys are robbing a bank, right? Who's actually going into the bank, robbing the bank, getting the money, and who's in the

getaway car, just sort of, you know. I love fast cars. I'm driving the car. I'd say Andy. I'm going to send that Andy in. He's an expert marksman. Andy builds guns. You don't want to be shooting people when you're robbing.

No, you want to do it. Andy's like, Andy literally is the Terminator. Like he just, this eye starts to glow red. And you're like, get out of his way, dude. And is Matt is mad at the safe house, like waiting to count the money? No, what? I would have said this. I would have said, who's in the van with the earwig who's talking to everybody?

who's driving the getaway car and who's robbing the bank driving robbing I'm on the earpiece giving them all the intem yep yes that's a good one for us who our whole family

just me you and Wyatt I mean Boston like masterminded let's just say he just math he knew he's at home he already figured it out he already was like this is the one you're robbing he's collecting his money later from inspector gadget he just sits there on the chair

I think I would I think you'd have to rob the bank I think why it would be the earwigan, I'd have to drive the car. Probably, you know. Because why. You and me your drivers. I think I'm a driver. Yeah, I mean, I don't see you going into the bank and robbing the bank.

I feel like that would be something that I would do. I mean, I could be distracting. Well, that's where I would, I'd rob it with jokes. You know what I mean? So maybe Wyatt robs the bank. And I'm on the ear piece? That's bad. That's bad.

That would be bad. Well, we just wouldn't listen to you. No, right. Just mute. I'd be talking to myself. I like this question with three. We usually only do it too. Okay.

High school number one song on repeat. Like song of your high school experience and all of them hopefully are different. Or say childhood, either one. One that like pops in your mind. That nostalgic song. You know, like, oh, my gosh. Music was huge. So we had Motown and we had like, oh, man.

For me, it was, well, look, it depends on the era, but I'd say like in middle school, it was anything off the bad record. Oh, yeah. Right? It was anything off Michael Jackson's bad record. But it was also Bobby Brown, every little step I take. My prerogative.

Whitney Houston. Going into high school, it was probably like I was a huge Aerosmith fan, but I also loved, I loved like one-offs, like the spin doctors, the two princes. I want to sex you up by calling me bad. Oh, yeah. We were like, we were hot TikTok, you know, stop. That was the best.

I love that song, dude. Oh, my God, that song was so fast. I actually taught myself runs off that song, you know, because that guy. What a singer. Matt? Same. Yeah, there's a lot of similarities there, but then I also had, like, I, Christopher. I fell in love with, you know, sailing.

Sailing, that was when I was a little baby kid, loved Christopher Cross. Me too. Yeah, Dave Matthews, I got infatuated with electric guitar through Jimmy Hendricks. Yeah, Stevie Wonder taught me how to sing through my head voice. Anything with Stevie Wonder, I mean, that whole run with very superstitious and how he places everything, man. I used to close my eyes because I thought maybe there's something with the sensory deprivation. And I'd go in a dark room, close my eyes, and just literally run his lick. over and over and over again

until I could finally figure out where head voice was placed so his stuff oh man and then yeah like Dave Matthews band in high school was big for me and Andy's a different era yeah all of that because I got an overflow yeah we gave all the music and then I don't mean geez that's a tough one

I listen my appetite for me is so vast King's Leon that's new yeah it's view right now you love King we also listen to everything from like we We listen to, like, Kenny Loggins, and, like, haul and oats, and, like, looking at glass and Boston. Wasn't there some, like, weird thing that just came up with Holland Oaks? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

They're suing at each other. No, no, no, no, no. You have, like, a restraining order? Yeah, they have a business. I guess they have a company or they're, they're a company. Oates. And Oates is trying to sell shit in Hall had a slap a restraining order. Oh, no.

Oh, God. Okay. And then he said, you never did anything, Oates, which we all knew, but the whole was like, I said. everything. You didn't do shit oats. And he just kept out of oats. Oats. Collin Oats. The fact that it's Oats.

It's the best. Okay. First celebrity crush. For me, it was a tie between Michelle Pfeiffer and Haleyberry. That was like my first. Those two were like one. And then maybe Kim Bassinger. Yeah, Kim Bassinger with mine from Batman 89.

Yeah, that was. Oh, Kim, yes. Mine was, yeah, mine was Kim Basinger and Christy Brinkley. Oh my God, from vacation. Oh, I was a car guy. So when she drove up in that Ferrari,

oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Okay, this is how we end. Now, there's three of y'all. There's three. So what we usually do is we, it's a two-part question, you know, the first part is,

what is it about the said sibling that you would love to be able to emulate more of in yourself? And then the second part to that question is, what is it of that sibling that you wish you could alleviate for them that you think would be helpful to their life and to their process? Well, I admire Joe, like I was saying before, just the focus and the energy that he can put. He's got kids and he's got more energy than I do. So that focus, I wish I had a little bit more of that, because I feel like I would be doing, I'd be in maybe a little different place if I had that, that kind of energy with my focus.

Andy, it's the don't think, just do. I wish I had a little more like that. He just, you just like, don't think, just do. Like, just sit down and write a script. I don't know, sit down and write a script. It's like, wow, man, it's really commendable. Things I would like to take away from Joe is I wish he didn't have to, I know that that impact of always having to be, you know, this thing.

an impact. I wish he could understand that he could drop all of it and, you know, he'd be cooler than he thinks, you know, don't worry about all that stuff. Like, just let it go. And for Andy, I'd say he's genuinely so pure and nice at the core that sometimes I wish, I feel like he's so nice that I feel like sometimes that prevents him from succeeding in certain environments. Like, he's almost too nice to people. And then people inherently, not because they're bad, but they inherently take a little bit of advantage of that because he's so nice. And once that guy next to him to succeed so much that he'll tell him that and put him there and the right person does take it.

But there's also a lot of people who go, yeah, yeah. And then their ego goes off and they take Andy for granted in that way a little bit. So I wish I could take that away from it. There you go. Joseph? Let me think. One of the things I should be more like Matt, you know, Matt's able to just kind of throw himself into his own world, right?

and literally forget everything else. He does that with his animals. True. And that's his sanctuary. Save my life, yes, in many times. You know, for me, I have a tough time doing that. I have a tough time checking out. And I wish that I could get better at that because I stay in the pressure cooker a lot.

And it takes its toll on you, you know, after a while. So that's one thing I wish I could emulate. One of the things I wish I could take away from Matt is, you know, I feel like, you know, he doesn't need to run from anything, right. Matt's a force to be reckoned within his own right. And I feel like sometimes he tries to run from things just because, whether it's fear or insecurity, and there's nothing to be fearful of and certainly nothing to be insecure of, right? I mean, he's arguably the best-looking one of us.

So that's, you know, that's the way, that's the way, no, that's the way it works. But honestly, Matt, look, I mean, Matt, look, growing up with what I was doing and having to follow my footsteps, I feel like he felt pressure. I feel like people put pressure on him and there's no pressure. You know, Matt's super talented dude and can stand on his own too. and I wish he could embrace that at all times, you know? It comes in stages, but it should be a constant flow of confidence because there's nothing to get out when it comes to Matt's abilities in any capacity. What about the youngster?

Andy, well, I would say, let me see, one of the things I could emulate more like Andy. Yeah, I mean, Andy is literally just fearless. Yeah, he's tremendous. That I wish he, I have a lot of fear, actually. I'm riddled. I mask it You know, I'm asking I was like the Warner Brothers frog

You know, they picked the hat up And I'd just go dance And then, you know, that's just what it would be But that is tremendous What I wish I could take away from Andy Is, you know, I feel like Andy has He's slightly reckless at times With things

And that scares me Because I want him, first of all He's so incredibly special that I don't want anything to happen, you know? And he's a little bit of a daredevil. And I, I, I'm probably too cautious, but I wish I could instill a little bit of my cautiousness in Andy because I don't want anything to happen, you know? And he's just, he's just the raddest little dude ever, you know, and he's twice as size I am, but, you know, he's, uh, but it'll forever be my baby brother, you know, you know, even though he actually is the widest. Yeah, he takes up

the most space. Because big, medium, and small. I mean, this is just what it is, you know. Andy's back is twice the size of my back and four times the size of Matt's back. All right, reckless Andy, what's up? Boy, well, Matt, I admire his ferocious passion. And then what I would want for Matt is to sometimes be able to tame that ferocious passion. Yes, so true. um yeah joe i admire his uh unwavering discipline yeah um good morning but for joe i wish

sometimes he could maybe let that uh discipline go a little bit so he could relax yeah and then for both of them just to uh enjoy themselves and where they're at and feel good about themselves and what they've accomplished and what they've given because they've you know given me a hell of a lot So I appreciate them and love them very much. Oh, I love you guys. This was awesome. You guys. Thank you for joining us.

Yeah, I appreciate y'all. It's so great to talk to you guys. We'll see you. We're so soon. Bye, guys. See ya. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos.

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