Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Willie and Libby Geist

Episode Date: March 11, 2020

On this episode of "Sibling Revelry," Kate and Oliver are joined by Willie and Libby Geist. Willie is the host of "Sunday TODAY with Willie Geist " and co-host of MSNBC’s "Morning Joe." Libby is Vice President & Executive Producer of ESPN Films and Original Content. They open up about their childhood and how Willie tormented Libby. They talk about the plastic cow in their front yard, how they ended up in their careers, and much more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Sakara.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No. No, sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth.

Sibling revelry. That's good. So you're about to listen to Willie and Libby Geist. This was actually a really fun conversation. I actually, full disclosure, I was, I actually wasn't there as well. I was doing it over remotely because I had the flu. Obviously, there was a trip that we took and I wasn't there.

But I was there on video chat. And I participated in everything that happened. And they're just a really down-to-earth fun brother and sisters. It's actually the first brother and sister that we've aired. We've done brother, brother and sister, sister. This is the first brother-to-or-stither. we've aired in. It's such a different dynamic when you're dealing with the brother-sister relationship. You know, Willie tortured Libby like any good brother should. We have something in common.

Willie and I. We both made fake IDs growing up. I probably made more money than he did making these fake IDs. I was very entrepreneurial. I worked in the gray area of the law, but still made some good dough at the age of 15 years old. And then they also had a huge plastic cacao in their yard growing up and we had the exact same fucking cow there were a lot of similarities actually it was it was fun and and and um libby she's done some cool stuff some of my favorite documentaries actually oj made in america won oscar in 2017 um she's got these uh this michael jordan documentary coming out i'm not sure if it's out yet or not but it is coming out which i cannot wait to see i think it's a six-parter on jordan anyway we loved having them on the show

enjoy the conversation how long have you lived in new york so we moved in 1980 to new jersey when i was five years old and libby was one were you even one maybe nine months less than one yeah um my dad got a job with the new york times he was writing for the chicago tribune i was born in chicago we both were and when i was five we moved to new jersey when he got a job with the new york time So 40 years, not in the city, but I've lived in the city for 15 years, but around. Is your dad a Chicago native? Is that where, is he from? He's from downstate, as they call it.

He's from Champaign, Illinois. And he went to the University of Illinois, which was up the street from his house. And as he says, cost $135 a semester. So his parents were like, you're going there. This was in the late 60s. And he met my mom there at the University of Illinois. Are they still together? They are.

Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. I know. Was it always a harmonious household? Constant harmony. I mean, growing up. Uninterrupted harmony for 50 years.

Yes. I think on the, yeah, it was actually. Like it was a, people, I think you always look back in your life and you're like, were there moments of like strife and was it, you know, what was the adversity that we had to overcome? There was little stuff, but yeah, it was a happy place. My dad was a writer for the New York Times. My mom was a social worker. and then she was a realtor in our town after that

and we had like a really nice good suburban life went to the school up the block and the high school up a couple more blocks and I would say it was like a pretty idyllic childhood definitely and you were in Jersey this is in Jersey Ridgewood New Jersey Bergen County baby and how often did you come into the city

it was a big deal I think I remember for big birthdays like we'd get a limo and go in you got a limo yeah I did you didn't get any of the perks that I got. So here's the split. This is an important split. This is fake, by the way. No, this is very real and I'm going to lean into it. So my dad was a columnist for the metro section of the New York Times for seven years when I was growing up because we're five years apart. And then he was hired after that.

Don Hewitt, who founded 60 Minutes, read my dad's columns and said, hey, you ever think about doing TV? And my dad said, no, I'm a writer. And they had him shoot a pilot of one of his pieces. And they loved it and CBS hired him. So he was making, I don't know what in 1983 to be the metro columnist in New York Times, not that much, probably, I'm guessing. And then a little more probably in the CBS years. So we always joke that I grew up in the New York Times years. I never wrote a limo into the city. We took the short line bus into Port Authority. And Libby was riding limos in to see elaborate Broadway productions. Yeah. Four and a half years is junior. Such a different house. I lived in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was a big deal to go into the city. I mean, my mom always liked, and she still does, goes to shows and she loves the city and the museums and just the vibrancy here. Are they still there? So they just moved into the suburbs a couple years ago and they followed. They're about 10 minutes away. Oh, that's nice. But there was another step in there. So they lived in New Jersey. And then when Libby left and went to college, they moved into the city because that's where their life was. So they lived on the Upper West side for 15 or 16 years.

and then last year moved to Connecticut. So you guys really haven't left this? Not a lot. The area. Yeah. Well, except I went to college in Nashville. I went to Vanderbilt for four years, which was amazing. Did you love it?

I loved it. Libby went to the University of Wisconsin. That was the best, all-time party school. Good sports. Good everything. I loved it there. Did you guys know that you, I mean, clearly you were going to get into the television world based on your dad i mean was that always kind of what you know it's funny because people make that connection

obviously because my dad was at cbs and i got into the business too but you have to know that our parents are very midwestern so we've never like sat down and like had talks about like well journalism's a noble profession and you ought to try it it was just like by osmosis and i could see that he was traveling to cool places and meeting interesting people and he enjoyed his job and like it wasn't the old nine to five your dad comes home with his shoulder slumped and throws his briefcase he liked what he was doing and i think just by that you probably had the same experience i was going to say it's similar people always ask the same question and you're like well we didn't sit around a table and talk about scripts and a lot of his stuff on um sunday morning was

personal he did a lot of personal stories so there were cameras in our kitchen a lot of the time Like there were, his producers, we knew pretty well. I remember at my wedding, they were, they did a piece on my wedding. And his producer, Amy, was crying in front of the church. Amy was the first person I saw when I got out of the car. And she was like, I can't believe it. And I was like, you are not coming into the delivery room. This is where it stops.

And she was like, got it. Like, all good. Okay. So what were the things that he would, like, what would he do? He did, a big one was coaching our little league teams and like how outrageous and ridiculous suburban coaching is. He wrote a book about that eventually, too. He was basically an essayist, and there was always some humor in it, but he was, you know,

he'd go to the Iowa State Fair and tell some great story. He'd find these little kernels of stories that don't look like anything on paper and then turn into some amazing story that says something about America. And he wrote books about that and he did those pieces that, like, he was, he did one in our house in New Jersey where Martha Stewart had just become big. And she was like, you can make a Christmas wreath out of just, things you find in your backyard and in her backyard of course it was like these elaborate like figs and berries and that so my dad went in our backyard and there was like a rusty budweiser can

and a tennis ball and like you know it was stuff like he was funny but also making some commentary um and he like he was always having fun but i do remember he not only did he not encourage us to get in i remember when i graduated from college or i was about to graduate he's he was worried that i was going to get into it or he was worried that I thought that was the only thing that you could do so he was like I need you to go like meet with people who have other jobs just in case because I was

like I want to do this I'd done an internship and so I remember I went and like there was a guy in our town who worked at like Goldman Sachs or something I didn't know anything about finance I went and had lunch with them because that's what you like and he was like explaining the markets to me and I was like I don't know

what you're talking about and I'm not interested in what you're talking about no disrespect And then my mom had me go meet a family friend. I remember this so well up in Connecticut who worked at like Northwest Mutual Insurance. And it was literally like, here's how term life works. And I was like, oh my God. And that like made it official just rushed me into the TV business. So you were first born.

Yes. And then you guys are four and a half years apart. So you probably remember her birth or when she came home a little bit. Yeah, I remember Life without Libby. You remember life without living? I mean, I was young. That should be, that's secure autobiography, by the way, if you choose to read one. It's after we have our falling out.

Yeah, it's life without living. No, no, no, it's just, it's, it's, it's the first five years of your life. That's the whole book. It would be like, life without life. We have very light, light seller, but interesting to like three people who all live in my house. I remember, I guess I remember, this was in Chicago and Evanston, Illinois, which is basically Chicago, just outside in the north. And I think, I guess I remember it maybe more from photographs and images than actual,

but I remember birthday parties, Dukes of Hazard cakes. I remember our little house that felt like a big house. And then like, we went back and drove by it. And I was like, that was the house. That's not the house. And it was the house. But in my mind, it was huge. And I think it was, I don't know, two or three bedrooms.

It was like a modest house on it. but a great street with lots of kids, the kind of town that, like, you know, had the block party and, you know, the neighbor would come over. I got some zucchini out of my garden. It was like that, like, you didn't, like, that world exists. It's so great.

Those old school neighborhoods, you know what I mean? Like, they, they, they, I tried to find one here in L.A. And I live in sort of a semi-old school neighborhood where you get to have that cul-de-sacs block parties. Yeah. You know, it's hard to find these days. And it's, it's special, you know,

it's actually really special for the kids. I would say Libby has found it, though, don't you think, where you live now? Yeah, yeah. We live in the Burbs. And I think even in New Jersey where we lived, we had the block parties and we had the friends, like the best friends across the street were my first sleepovers, you know. It's like, so that when I was when I had, I have two little boys and I had them in the city. And, you know, they were learning how to ride bikes, my older one.

And we, I was just screaming at every intersection. And I was like, this is not how it goes. Like this is, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

you and you're like I am not a fun mom yes right but I was like this is not how side highway and it's sort of like I know it's honestly why I but went back to L.A. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. But it's what you're used to too, right? I mean, you live in the city and have made it work completely with your kids. But for me I was just like, all right. And our tiny two bed and our apartment was closing in.

It was like having two crazy monkeys in the house. She has two little boys were insane and wonderful. But you know, it's funny if your kid, our kids were born in New York and this is they know so it's actually not weird to them it's still weird to us like my son who's 10 plays baseball but does you just live at chelsea peers yeah you go to chelsea pierce and his baseball is in on the upper west side it's in the basement his baseball is in the basement of an old bank and they bought out the vaults opened them up and it's just like 10 batting cages so like that's become normal but we have friends from out of town they're like where does your son play baseball i'm like oh in the basement

of that bank and they're like that's not normal that's not how you play baseball man that's normal to george or on the neighbor thing like we've lived in our building for three years and actually like it's funny this came up because like two days ago the guy literally in the apartment next door opened the door and walked out and i was like i've never seen you in my life we like we live on the other side of a wall from each other we can touch hands to the wall and you're not even familiar looking to me well so willie when when liby came home from the hospital. Do you remember her? Do you remember her infiltrating your world and totally screwing up your beautiful, you know, only child life? I'm trying to cause trouble. He's rejecting. I mean, yeah,

I was going to say this is, we should talk more about you, perhaps. Yeah, which is so interesting, because we're only two and a half years, but he really remembers those years of life without Kate. I don't, yeah, I mean, we just remember life sort of together, you know, but at that age gap, you know, it's like, oh, wow, there's this new being that is sort of come into my world. Yes. I don't remember resenting you for that. I mean, maybe it was too young to remember that. But clearly, you've lost 50% at least of the attention. Actually, you lose more than that when the baby's new.

But the context I do remember it in is with our own kids when my son, who's our second child, was born. And my wife, Christina, is in the hospital with the newborn. And I'm bringing our daughter, Lucy, into the hospital for the first time. And she has no idea that on the other side of that door, is this person who's about to change her life and also like be like you guys like be at her side for your whole life forever and it's like she has this life and this is how it is and I'm the folks of attention it's just me and then the door opens and in that second everything

changes so I'm sure I had that that moment of like who's this chick what were you guys like as kids um we had fun I don't remember I mean I was also young enough that I was always just your annoying little sister, I think, until that changed when we got older and we actually had things in common and understood. I was like, oh, I like you. I remember when you went to college. Sorry, it took 18 years. But when you left, I was like, oh, wait, I think I miss him. And I think we, I think we like each other now. That's similar to Katie and I, like, when I went to college is sort of when, you know, it took me going away for us to get closer. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. We also are far enough apart that we were never in school together.

Right. So we weren't competitive for friends. She wasn't showing. up at our parties in high school, you know, she was just young enough that there was nothing competitive about our relationship. Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know, my dad's really funny. My uncle, everybody's funny. So I would say we were, there was a lot of humor in our house. What kind of stuff were you into as a kid? Definitely sports. Sports, movies, love movies. And were you at a sporty house? We did. Yeah, sporty. Sporty house. I played in high school, I played football and basketball. Libby played tennis and basketball. She won the state championship in tennis.

Wow. Yeah, it's really good. She's falling off hard since then. Horrible close. But I did, actually I did, when I was really young, I did Summerstock, did a little acting. Not to brag Kate and Oliver. I think my mom, actually my mom saw, like, I was on this, like, all sports trajectory, and she was like, let's introduce some other, some sensitivity.

And I actually loved it. I was the only, and you probably know this already, I was the only boy in Ms. Hanigan's All-Girl. Orphanage in the 1985 Ridgwood Summerstock production of Annie. Oh, I'm sure it was my favorite production of all time. That's all I ever wanted to be was Annie. I just wanted to be Annie. Never, only in my mind.

And your grandfather, your grandfather won two Stanley Cups. Am I correct with, am I correct? Oh, yes. My great grandfather, our great grandfather is in the Hockey Hall of Fame. Herbie Lewis. We played for the Detroit Red Wings in the 30s. And he was the captain of the team. and he won two Stanley Cups.

How awesome is that? Oh, cool. And the crazy thing is, I can barely get across the ice on a pair of skates. Where are those rings? Ooh, that's a good question. I bet Uncle Mike has. Yeah, our uncle is sort of the historian. My favorite part, not my favorite, one of the funny parts about my great-grandfathers,

he was like a big star in his day. And this is a professional hockey player. He was the face of camel cigarettes. And we had, I mean, it's the 30s, right? so nobody knew about the cigarette problem. So we have framed print ads where he's in his full uniform. He's on the ice with a stick down on the ice

in his Detroit Red Wings, and he's got a lung dart coming out. That's amazing. Smoke out the side. So cool. So cool. That's a great pick. Do you have that? And then there's another camel ad

where he's, it's post game. He has a cigarette in one hand. He's in his uniform. Cigarette in one hand and a cheeseburger in the other because the idea back then was that a cigarette helped you digest a meal so he's like after a big game

I hammered out a cheeseburger and digest it with a camel you can't believe they were real but they're very entertaining the ultimate athlete which job do you like better what I mean by this is not like oh of course you love everybody at the taste show

you love but like what is to you like where do you feel most fulfilled So I do I know you're going to give the political No I won't I'll give you a good answer But I'm just going to lay it out first While I'm thinking about it

First politics then reality So during the week I do morning Joe Which is three hours of politics And you're in the muck That is our political culture right now And that's great That's great Uh oh the flu is kicking up

On remote That's great Because this is a moment in history And every morning at 6 a.m. Like, we're on the front lines of it. We have the first crack at it. Like, that's really cool.

And then my Sunday Today show is completely different where we do news at the beginning of the show, 15 minutes, and we'll talk about Washington. But then after that, we totally abandon it. And we'll do a profile of some super interesting actor or CEO or athlete or something. And so that's incredibly gratifying in its own way, partially, I think, because it's so different from what I do during the week. I think for me, I think the most fun is being with my friends on Morning Joe every day just because that chemistry is so natural after 13 years. You don't have to think about it. But in terms of gratifying

to be able to do 15 minutes with Al Pacino and drive around in a convertible with him around Beverly Hills. Like that's a once in a lifetime cool thing to do. So I guess I'll give you Sunday for gratifying and Morning Joe for fun. Is that a good enough pop out? That's great. That's a perfect. That's a perfect political answer. Well, it's funny that Morning Joe is fun, though, I think, because we were saying, you know, I was like, Willie, I love you. We're blood, but I cannot watch every day just because the politics and sort of the intensity of what you're talking about.

And by the way, you have to know what you're talking about at 6 a.m. Well, you also managed to stay out of any heat. You seem to be like the likable journalist. You know, it's like, you kind of, it's like Switzerland. My honest opinion is there are so many hot takes in the world right now. Everybody's got a take on everything and there's no shortage of it on Morning Joe that I do honestly think there's a place just for information. Right. Because all we get now, if you turn on the TV at night on whatever channel you like, it's all opinion, which is okay.

But sometimes we're having this big food fight and I want to be like, oh, actually for the viewers, here's what we're talking about. and here's the basis of that opinion and here's some numbers or statistics that contradict that opinion. So I think if it's just a bunch of people spewing their opinions, it doesn't really get us anywhere. And I think it should be grounded in something.

The problem though is like what is real anymore, meaning like everyone is so against whatever their facts are. It's like, well, what's real? You watch this, you watch that. What is straight news? what are the facts these days you know i mean you know where do you where do you where does one get even get information and that and by the way that is the you've just hit the core of the problem right now which is that no there's no shared truth and really where is the truth we're in a we're in a position right

yeah on morning joe every morning at 6 am eastern no but that's that's my show yeah that's it find it there um the truth is there if you're willing to accept it and i think the problem is a lot of people will read a piece of truth and go, ooh, that doesn't fit my narrative. How can I spin that truth to make it fit my narrative or ignore that truth? And I say that both ways. Obviously, the president has softened the ground so much

by saying fake news, fake news, fake news, fake news, that when we say something that's critical of him or something that's true, he's able to turn and say, there they go again. I've told you for years, this is fake news. So don't believe this thing, even though it's basically, it's the old 1984. you don't believe your eyes you know the thing that's in front of you isn't real but i will say also

from the other side it's come to a position where you say donald trump lies so much that even when he says something that may have some truth to it the other side will say he's lying again so that's it's a really bad place to be it's a really bad place to be yeah we can't even agree on something that's true or we can't give someone credit for something that's true i have this thing right now where i just look at it as a mother which is like if i was all of this their mothers, what would I be saying to them right now? And that is, stop it. Yes. It's just a, it's a terrible example for the youngans. Yeah, I actually think about that a lot. You probably do too, Libby, which is my kids are 12 and 10. So they've sort of come of age. They were too young

previously. I mean, of course, they knew who President Obama was, but they're, like, this is when they're starting to pay attention to all this. And the idea that they think this is how it is or this is how it's supposed to be or that insults or ugliness or the way to get ahead or if if that person says something ugly well that justifies my doing that which is another element of this era I hate which is like well well he the president said that so we can go be dicks too like that's not the way to be to your point stop it politics right now and the world is definitely in the forefront right this is what we're all thinking about and dealing with to the point where my kids now when I was 10 and 9 and 12 years old. I didn't care about politics or what it meant or what the system was or

how it operated. My kids now are interested in it just because it is in the front of everyone's minds. They're questioning what the debates are, who the Democrats are, who the Republicans are, how the system works. You know, last night, Bodey, my nine-year-old, is watching the debates just randomly. And he goes, I think I like Elizabeth Warren. I mean, I just like what she's saying. And I like, she's calm she's calm you know and and then he goes oh god Bernie Sanders really went after her I mean he's he's engaged in the process and now it's up to me to sort of try to explain yeah that's so interesting yeah we I mean my kids were watching it last night too I came home from something and they were like lying on our bed and the debate was on yeah 10 and 12 years old

and I I can't decide if it's a good thing that they're sort of conscious of what's happening in the country or that they have been thrust into it because our culture is so now based on politics that they have to be in it never used to be like that no no i mean no i don't remember as a kid like sitting down and watching no way no debate like i was the last thing on the planet you sort of like i vaguely knew ronald ragan was president and that was fine saccarra we love sikara i got this one i remember i remember going into your refrigerator looking for pieces of salami or anything else that was meat-based and bad for me. I saw a beautiful spread.

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But we, so we, I was into, and by the way, we were in our old house, so I couldn't have been more than 10 years old. And I was into the Friday the 13th movies. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, me. And that was my jam. And I made, so I'm five or five and a half. So she's five or five and a half.

So she's five, come watch these. I'm five years old. This is worse than I remember. And, um, you should go to jail. As I say it out loud, yeah, I should be in prison for this. So I would sit and watch. I would force her to watch it. So she was five, obviously traumatized.

There's a man in a hot. hockey mask in the woods behind her house probably right of course but wait you get why am i saying this on a it's okay no it gets worse though it gets worse so i had a tiny a tiny cute little pink bedroom where this little cute five-year-old would sleep and there was a little with like a ledge a roof kind of right under my window and so for some reason he forced me to watch Friday the 13th and then i didn't i lay in my bed and i get a little tap on my window uh-oh and you guys and you you guys remember the sound. It's ch, ch, ch, ch, ch, when Jason's coming.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, so Jason's coming. And you're at my window, and I don't know. That sounds like Oliver. Yeah, it just wasn't nice. But think of the effort. That didn't happen by accident. I had to climb onto the roof of our house, get up to her window, knock and wake her up.

Oh, yeah. I think she still carries that with her somewhere. I actually hate scary movies and trailers, including trailers. I was like you though I watched Friday the 13th Nightmar on Elm Street I was forced to sit there and watch them too And then I would be like I had to sleep in Ollie's room because I was like

I didn't sleep in here He'd like go out and I'm being fun Yeah it was terrible And and our nanny though Like loved horror movies That's right So when our parents are out of town Oh no

She'd be like just don't tell that your parents Oh, my dad, I totally forgot about that. She didn't mention that in the job interview with your parents. No, she didn't. I should point out, I love horror movies and I force children to watch them. But then, right. I let my kids watch them. My six-year-old girl at the time was five, she's tougher than my older boys.

I mean, she watched The Conjuring, Bobadduke. She loves all of these. That's amazing. She's cool. Maybe I'm just. Is it? Is it cool? I mean, I don't know.

We'll see how she turns out, I guess. Time will tell. I know. I think she's. She's going to be okay, but we'll see. It's a wait and see. It's a fun experiment. You know, it's a little heavy.

I remember my dad took me to see Beverly Hills Cop, which was 1884, so I was nine. And that's a movie. That's a movie about cocaine trafficking. And there's a strip club. And Eddie Murphy says, fuck every other word. And I was nine. I was like, yeah, dad. Take them to the scary fucking movies.

This is the problem. Look, you guys turned out great. Look at how well-rounded you are. I'm not. I've got some it's stuff going on. I'd like to talk it out. That's because he was torturing you at five. So that's the right word.

I'm with you. I'm with you. But you asked if we fought, but it was a toy. It wasn't, we didn't physically fight because he's a huge man. He's a big dude. But I, it was more of a mental, horrible torture. That's how Oliver was with me. We'll take that out and post.

Yeah. Cut that. Here's the thing, though, I think it's because we're just their sister, their younger sisters. Like, boys, I watch on my boys do that to each other all the time. Yeah. They handle it totally differently. Totally, yeah. I think they probably thought, like, oh, but this is what I would want my older brother to be doing to me.

This is what we do. Right. And then we're like, but my boys just end up punching each other in the face and they end it. Right, exactly. And I'm just like trying and walk away and hurt. They just put it away for 40 years. Yeah. Until the podcast comes up.

We're unpacking it. We're like, you tortured. That was mean. It was so mean. I should have just punched you in the face, I guess. Yes. That would have been the better answer or push you off the roof. That's what my dad said to me one time about Oliver.

He goes, you should just punch him in the face. And I was like, huh? Terrible advice. It's true. Yeah. It's still coming. It'll come. It'll come.

One day. I know. I'm waiting. I'm still waiting for that punch in the nose. What if I just punched you in the face out of nowhere? That would be fucking hysterical. It would be cathartic. Let it out, Kate. Let it out.

Just like Oliver just talking and me just like, pop. Just a quick shot. Did you guys get along all the time? Or was the age discrepancy so much that it was like you kind of did your own thing? That's what it was. I think we were doing our own thing. I know, I think, again, I was the younger sort of. annoying sister, but I also wore your jerseys to your games.

Like, he, you know, he played basketball and football. Like, I also, I think, was nerdy and cheering for you. Yeah. No, but I do. I remember your last football game in high school. And I remember being in the stands with mom. And I was like tearing up and crying because I knew how much you loved it. And I knew you weren't going to do it again.

So I think like we had a connection. It was just, again, being so much younger. I wasn't in the mix so much, but I was cheering for you. Did you look up to him as a human? Yes. He's never said that. Sorry. Really?

Thanks, Oliver. She would never say that without your prompting. Yeah, never. No. No, of course I did. I mean, yeah, he was a good guy. I loved his friends. I had crushes on all your friends.

I don't know if you knew that. Some. Kate did as well. Kate did it as well. Caring them on and cheering your teams on. I mean, that's sort of like how the sports were such a big part of it, I guess. But yeah, no, I think it was good to have a buddy. Did you ever hook up with any of his friends ever?

Never. Thank you for asking. I did not. Imagine if I just learned that on this podcast. Oliver is trying to stop down. I feel like we have to stop down. I need five minutes. No, my friends, the spread was big enough. My friends were like big brothers to her. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad I didn't learn anything new today. Well, Oliver, it was always hooking up with my girlfriends. Like all of them. I think you hooked up with all of them. That's kind of gross. No. Okay. So now you go away. What did that feel like for you when he left for college? It was a big change. Yeah. Because, um, obviously, he had never lived without you. And so when he went off to school, I remember we would write letters.

This is pre-email. This is pre-in-mails. So, yeah. And the worst story. Uh-oh. No, is I had a party. Our parents went away and I had a big party and it was a bad one because it was early high school. So we were, you know, you pull out parents' old, like, strange old drinks, yeah.

And it was an ugly night, like some vomiting. just like a early, early drinking night. And I put the entire episode, and my friends were all sleeping over the house. It was just a strange, crazy thing. And I wrote the entire detail of what we did and was like, hey, Willie, hope you're great. I drank nine shots of tequila the first time drinking, and this is like all the horrible things that happened. And I left it on our kitchen counter for my mom to mail to hands.

And obviously she read it. I think she was like reading all of our journals and stuff. And that was the first time I really got in trouble. But I do remember we had, and I think we have them. There was like some letters back and forth where you were like, you know, keep working hard, you got this, you know. And then as I got older, we visited. We had a couple of really fun visits.

And he had, his high school sweetheart was at school with him. So we had known Christina. Yeah. So he married his high school sweetheart. Yeah. So we actually, we met in sixth grade in middle school in Jersey. We were friends. Then we started dating junior in high school.

school. The short version of the story is she wanted to go to UVA. We both got into Vanderbilt, which was much easier to get into back then. I need to stipulate that. She wanted to go to UVA, didn't get in at the last minute. And she called me, she said, okay, we're going to college together. So we went to college together. We broke up at the beginning, but it was small enough school that it was hard to maintain that. So we actually stayed together through college. And then after college, we broke up in our 20s and then found each other again later in our 20s. Stop. Now we're married.

We've got two kids and that's... That's awesome. But me visiting Willie also meant I was visiting Christina because I'd also known her and her family, you know, for all those years too. So that was cool. I mean, that was fun. That's so great. Yeah. Yeah.

So I would stay with her. Go to your crazy, you know, frat parties and see what college life was like and come back. It was awesome. Going to Ollie's frat parties made me not want to go to college. Oh my God. Wait, Libby, did you go to college and visit him and go to parties and stuff? I did. She did.

Yeah, that was an interesting introduction. Didn't you come to the medieval party? No, it was your, the basketball. Oh, yeah. You were naked, he dunked naked, which was fun to see. Yeah. And Christina was like, can you please talk about that on Morning Joe? Yeah, yeah.

That stays here, guys. Sorry. Cut that story, yeah. I'd like to say, for the record, I had a jock strap on so you could see cheap, but the front was covered. Okay. Oh, that's nice. That's better. Thanks again.

Everyone. Okay. Okay. So now your turn to go. to college. As Willie said, my parents went to the University of Illinois, and our whole family was from Chicago, really, in the Midwest. So I always liked the idea of a big school, but I couldn't go to Illinois, because that's where my parents wanted me to go to, of course. So I looked at a lot of schools all around the country, but then I went to Madison with my dad. He took me to the

University of Wisconsin to visit, and we just sort of looked at each other, and I was like, oh, wow. Like, it's just such a special town. It's the best city. It's the capital. And so they have you know, big musical acts and there was a ton of politics happening. The sports were great and, you know, it's on beautiful lakes, lots of custard and cheese. And brothed. Yeah.

So I immediately fell in love with Madison and anyone I talked to was like, oh yeah, like that's the, you know, so it was, it was, I applied to a ton of schools, but I kind of knew I wanted to go there. But it's hard. It's a huge school far away from home. It's also freezing. And it's freezing.

We didn't mind. You're in school. At this point, you were like, you hit the ground running. You're like, see ya, I know what I'm going to do. I want to go right to work. Yeah, so I graduated college in 97. I came home, so I came home from Nashville, came back home to New Jersey, and I was just going to spend the summer at home and then go find a job.

And I was driving, not to brag, but I was driving the liquor delivery truck for Wine and Spirit World in Ho-Hocas, New Jersey. Yeah, pretty good. Good job. And so I did that that summer, and I was having so much fun that it like bled all the way into Thanksgiving and Christmas. And my parents were like, hey, is you going to get a job or what?

I was like, oh, this is going pretty well. But I ended up, all my, bunch of my buddies had moved to Atlanta. And so I just decided I'm going to move to Atlanta and figure it out. And so I moved there. I applied to CNN and to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the newspaper down there.

The AJC didn't have a job. CNN did have a job. And that's literally why I got into TV. I just took the job. Well, okay. So I was in- What was your first job? It was, I was an editor.

It's actually at their sports network, CNN Sports Illustrated, which I love sports. So it was perfect. Yeah, it was short lived, but it was fun. And it was like, you know, it was a bunch of young guys, mostly guys, my age, like covering sports and watching games and editing highlights. And like it was just fun, you know, it was like a continuation of college, but you were getting paid. Not much, but you were getting paid. And so that was my first job in Atlanta. Atlanta is a cool city too.

to be that age and it really that's interesting you know that because it's underrated like the bars are open really late some of them are 24 hours like it's a good party town it's good and all the schools from the south like that's where you go i remember you it was like the open newsroom set up and so you'd be like i'm on the computer behind the you know the guy who's sitting at the desk on the left side of the shoulder so my parents and i would like tune in and it's like that was your first on air i guess i would try to get on tv i would walk behind the air Oh, my God, you went to the printer. Like, we just saw it, you know.

Grab something off the printer and, like, look at my mom and keep walking. That was my first TV. Now, when you were in college, what was your focus? So I was a political science major, which meant I didn't know what I wanted to do. Same. I was too. But, no, I loved school. I had probably more fun than I should have, I would say, but it was great.

And then I interned at Conan, late night with Conan O'Brien. That was a good first step. actually when I was working at that one driving the liquor truck I thought maybe I wanted to be like a writer for Conan too and I put together that summer I worked like all summer I put together a writing packet and I got the address and everything I didn't know how anything worked so I just got it and I put it in this big manila folder and I remember the mailbox outside wine and spirit world I pause and I was like when I'm like a late night host someday I'll remember this moment and this mailbox because this is how it all began really and I put it in and I sent it away so dramatic I was very dramatic this is my ticket out baby and then it took weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and then I got a letter and I was like this is it went to the mailbox and I was like I'm going to wait till I get home to open it and see when I start and all that and I open it up and it literally which I understand now it was like not only do we not have a position for you we didn't read a single word of what you wrote because they have to

protect themselves from like liability that if they did something similar, I could say they stole it from me. So they're like, no one even looked at it. Everyone hates you. Never show your face. It's worse than a rejection letter. It was literally like you don't exist.

What did you write? What did you bother? I think I wrote like monologue jokes and he was doing all those care, those crazy like character, you know, the masturbating bearer. Do you remember any of your monologue jokes? I'm sure they were like bad topical.

Let's see. That was nice. 1997, like some bad Clinton jokes or something. I'm so glad I don't know where it is because I bet it's awful. Some Clinton jokes. Awful. Oh, no. There's still time, Willie.

There's still time. So after Madison. Explain what you do, Libby. What I do. Now. Yeah. Yes. So I have worked at ESPN for 11 years.

She wins Oscars, Kate. I know. Well, I'm going to dispute you. Yes. So the film, the documentaries are different than your world. So the documentary. one and our director and main producer won, but we did not technically win.

She won. She did a movie that won an Oscar. Why don't you just say you won an Oscar? Because I don't have the, everyone's like, where'd you put it? I was like, well, I didn't really win and we didn't go on stage. It's like sort of a word.

No, not going on stage didn't mean you weren't a part of an Oscar winning project. The film one, we're very excited. Okay, great. This is like corporate speak that they made herself. But also, so my parents and Willie and Christina got dressed up in black tie and watch the Oscars

from New York City on the Upper West Side. Your sister's not a movie. There's the funniest video of them celebrating. It was so cute. It was really nice. That's so exciting. That was the OJ Made in America was the series they won't So I work at ESPN. So I started there

11 years ago when they were just kind of coming up with 30 for 30, which is our sports documentary series. And so I started, I've done a lot of different jobs there. Like I was in production, a producer. Then I was just doing development, like finding the stories and the filmmakers and matching them together. And now I oversee the department, ESPN Films, and a bunch of our content on ESPN Plus,

which is the new streaming service that we have. So, fun. Yeah, it's really fun. What a cool job. I know. Because you not only get to work in storytelling, but these are real people, truly aspirational stories. Yeah. My favorite 30-4-30s are not actually sports films, you know, like OJ, you could have shown very

little football but you know it's the story of a man in a city and you know culture um and so that's what we look for in everything we do have some that they just finished one on lance armstrong and one on bruce lee yeah yeah so those both were at sundance which is really fun and i also think just in this moment of unscripted and um all of the documentary stuff that's happening and the series coming out like this is such a huge booming time and so for us to say we have here i am i have money. I want to work with young, hungry filmmakers and millions of people are going to see these. Like, it feels like a really lucky place to be. So when we go around, I mean, we laughed after the first couple years of 30 for 30, we're laughing. We're like, I can't believe who's taking

my phone calls right now. Like, this is so bizarre, you know. What a great. I love 30 for 30. But it's really lucky. Yeah. It's really fun. For a woman to be running at that, that department at ESPN is so awesome. Yeah. Thanks. Well, people say all the time, they're like, it must be really hard to be at ESPN. I'm like, not really. I've honestly had really great mentors. They've been so good to me. And I know that's not for everybody's story, but I feel really lucky.

The funny thing about Libby is she's not really a sports fan. So we always laugh that she's at ESPN. She's a filmmaker who happened. She was working somewhere else and they made a film for ESPN. And ESPN said, hey, you were really good at that. Do you want to come work here? So if you ask her, like, who's in first place in the Eastern Conference right now, She definitely does not know.

I know it's not. But yet she's running this huge department for ESPN. Years ago for the 40th anniversary of Title IX, we did a series called Nine for nine with nine directors and nine stories. And we were really, really careful that those weren't all like, rah, ra, like the first to do this and the first to do that. I was like, no, we have, now we have real history. There are real stories, good and bad. And so we tried to find really edgy stories that people would love and talk about.

Because I think it's really hard to find stories that are marketable and that people are interested in seeing. And that's so sad to say. But if it's not Serena or a huge topic, male or female, it's hard to get people excited. So that's a struggle sometimes, honestly. But we're constantly working harder to find really strong women's stories, but also female directors. I always say women almost never pitched to me, which I think is so interesting. And so that's a huge concerted effort. like, you know, anytime I go to festivals.

I'm like, I, you know, you may not think to call me, but here's my card. Like, if there's ever something you're interested in. But there's so many amazing female stories. So many. We also do, we launched podcasts, like almost documentary style audio. Podcasts a couple years ago. And my favorite one that we did actually is about Diana Tarasi and Sue Bird playing in Russia because women have to play to make money.

They have to continue playing. They play all year. So they all go abroad. And they went and played for this guy. Shabtai, who was actually a Russian mobster who owned a team in Russia. Cool. But the way they talk about their life there, they lived in a mansion and he would bring them like fresh strawberries.

Caviar. Yeah, massages. It was like the total opposite of how their life is here in the WNBA, but they made a ton of money and their life in Russia was so weird. Diana is hilarious, by the way. And they just talk about this. And then the dark side of that is Shabtai, like how he was funding all of that and what his.

mobster business was. Wait, is this, is this? Did you already tell the story? We did. It was a podcast, yeah. Both of you guys are so accomplished and I mean, doing really interesting, wonderful things. You know, it's been really fun since she said she won an Oscar. Since their film won an Oscar and all these 30 for 30s get attention, everyone is

seeing like how great and how smart and she is. Because when you're on TV, people think, okay, you're the, you're the one in the family who does those things. but Livy's doing these incredible things and doing this great work and she's these deep dives and really interesting stories. You get jealous of her work sometimes?

The time she has to tell those stories, honestly, because ours is like, turn it around, get it on the show Sunday. That's, she's taking months. She's making movies. She's making films, you know? She's making documentaries, which is very cool. My husband is in TV as well,

and he's a producer and he was like, how long does it take you to do your cute little two-hour projects? Like, I produce two hours of TV every single day. I'm like, but I'm in, artist and you know like all of our graphics and our archival and you know have you ever had felt competitive with each other in any in any i honestly haven't i haven't either i mean maybe we should i'm always happy for her success i'm um always proud of her i never thought oh i mean you're creatively jealous like oh boy that was good that lans singer that brusely that was good

yeah you know but i'm happy for it there's no we're just not in the same lane and never been even in our house because of the age difference well what about just even going back a little bit like when did you guys get close you know obviously you had separation through high school and then college you were there was an age gap but was there a time when it was like oh you are my home girl you are my home boy we are now like becoming best friends I honestly sort of felt that way I'd say after high school like me right when I was in college and when you to me were like a real person I could sit and talk to and hang out with and we could share things a little more but we I mean we had stuff in our house like our dad has Parkinson's disease and he's had it for 30 years

and he yeah I mean a lot of it it started in like 92 or something like that so I was leaving it to college and we didn't know that it was our parents were very strange about it like they didn't admit that he had Parkinson's for a long time what's going on with dad they're like they didn't want to scare you probably that's fine that's what it was It took years to say the words. And we're like, oh, okay. But that sort of like, I think everybody can relate in some way. That thing that's like at the center of your family, it like pulls you together.

And it still does. Like, you know, we talk and we catch up about work and our families, but there's always some nugget of like, okay, how are they doing? How's dad? What needs to happen? Are you going to see? And like, all that stuff was always there. Did you guys ever, ever have any sort of resentments of your mom not telling you?

You know, it was 10 years. Right? He didn't even for 10 years. Yes. Yes. Yes, we did. It was very frustrating. But I don't think they said it out loud for at least 10 years, maybe more.

Yeah. Because he was young, he was in his 40s, and it progressed very slowly. So we didn't have tremors. It wasn't clear to us what it was. You know, he didn't have tremors. It wasn't shaking and all those things. But he was slowing down and he was taking naps and all those things. And we were like, I don't know how this works, but you're only 52.

you shouldn't be like slowing down this quickly. And so finally, we probably should have just known sooner. Sure. But finally we just said, what's going on? I was like, oh,

dad has Parkinson's disease. We're like, what? Wow. And I think, but I think you're right, though. She was like, yes.

You're going to college. You're starting your life and your career. I don't want you thinking about this. How old were you guys when they told you that your dad had Parkinson's? I was in my 20s, so you must have been in early 20s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It was late enough. I think, I just remember, like, well, I wish I, I mean, the only reason I was mad is I would make fun of him. Like, I would tease him. Like, you are the worst driver in the world. You know, like, I would like throw it at him. Oh, God. Or like, you know, like, you're taking a nap. I know, like, what are you ? A hundred years old, like, what is your deal? And then I remember her, I was like, I, you know, I remember her telling us. And I was just like, well, we could have helped. Like, I'm not, I have a decade of apologies. Right. I know. I know that. You, now I know. Which we do anyway by the way like we still throw it out of you know he's like oh i'm going to drop the p

card because i don't want to go to this dinner or something you know like we still are oh funny but it's it just obviously it changed the dynamics of us helping and i don't know but that came from him too his whole thing was like we didn't want you guys to worry about this so i don't you know and he's also again going back to the midwestern thing he's sort of humble and it wasn't he always says like if you were grew up in champagne illinois in the 1940s and 50s you weren't allowed to like emote like you and your dad didn't talk about how you were feeling or anything so I think he carried that with him he didn't want to express that he was in some pain or that life was hard and so he never did and we had to really push him to that place because he was on

television we said dad if you came out and said this you could help other people talk about what you're going through bring some attention to it look at what Michael J. Fox is done and etc etc and so he finally did I think 2012 he went on CBS Sunday morning. And by the way, the audience knew for 10 years because he did have movement at that point. So it wasn't a shock to them. They were relieved that he said it out loud and we could now talk about it. How old are your parents? He'll be 75 this year and my mom's 73. Has he, has he softened as he's gotten older as far as sort of that stoic man? I mean, is he, is he, yeah, I think grandkids have definitely done that. Libby has these sweet, awesome two little

boys and my daughter's 12 my son's 10 and that definitely has five and seven okay yeah are they close yes yeah close they're so cute his kids are superheroes in our house they're just old enough that like you know when they're together they suddenly are like we'll leave anything and we're cool and we behave it's so they're so cute it's so great i mean i have to say that makes me so happy because cousins like our kids are they're like almost like brothers and sisters yeah where are you guys that with reprimanding each other's kids like are you allowed to tell each other's kids off and my kids need a lot more reprimanding than yours do at the moment no we do we do though like if they're they're at our house yeah we have hardcore no whining policies and we're i think we view it as

like you know you tune out your own parents sometimes and they'll liby's kids will actually listen to us because we're the aunt and uncle and so we like liby uses us i think is third party discipline like i'm going to send them to your house her son her older son russell comes to our house for a week in the summer and goes to summer camp and we call it dude camp with him and my son george and like there are hard rules so it's a little bit of like breaking the pony like bringing them in i i feel that way with all of her's kids when they get into my house it's a very i'm like if like one of them was at like one of them's acting out i'm always like just send them to my house for two weeks that's it oh well sometimes sometimes they come back home and like

Auntie Kate's like so strict She said this She like yelled at me because I did this I'm like well you know that's You probably needed it And then you pay back by having the kids over For horror films at your house So it works out great

Exactly And by the way that's so true Do you ever give each other advice? Yeah definitely I mean I think we're A lot of work stuff I feel like there's a few people You really trust to give you the straight talk

You know Whether it's my own career or choices or if there's something going on, he's always one of my first calls. Just because he's in the business, which I feel lucky, that he gets what I'm talking about and the language that you're speaking, and he gets me so well. I mean, there's nobody else, my husband, obviously, but I think the two of them are who I go to or I'm like, all right, this is the deal, and I can be honest with you about every part of that.

There's no holding back. So, yeah. How about one word to describe each other? Oh, shit. She's cool. And I say that in the sense of, I always used to say she was like, she was like, Like among my friends, she was like Cameron Diaz and something about Mary. She was like that cool, smart, like all your guy, my friends and her guy friends actually

wanted to date her. She's just like, she's cool and she's self-deprecating and she's humble. I think that's all part of being cool. Like to be really good at what you do and be humble about it, to me, that's cool. It's fun to be a cool girl. Yeah. Because you could be a pretty girl or you could be kid and you can be fun. And to be like, oh, she's cool.

Yeah. I think you're cool, too. I think you're both cool. Yeah, you are cool. Yeah, I feel like you are. Cool is exactly what I would say if we left. And they're like, how is living? I'd be like, she's cool.

Yeah. I love it. Thanks, guys. Okay, what word would you use to describe? I think, it's funny because I think people think you are, a quick story. My son always says, he's like, I don't understand. Will he's so serious when he's on TV, but he's so crazy and weird. in real life.

Like, he just thinks it's so many. So I think it's funny. After the Jason story. Yeah. But he's so goofy. So I would say he's really funny for sure. And I don't know that everyone knows that you're very funny. And he's also a sports freak.

You are in encyclopedia about sports. And I don't know, maybe in your next life you'll be a sports guy. I know. If I knew somebody at ESPN, I get a job there. But he, you can rattle off the most obscure game. You get a little bit of that in on Morning Joe. Yeah. You do your baseball.

Joe loves baseball. Yeah. We get some Yankees, some Red Sox. Barnacle will get you in there. All right. How about who is the, who was the, who was the, who is the Stanley Cup MVP of the last Blackhawks win? Oh, the last Blackhawks win. Blacks Black Hawk's Cup.

Who is the, who was the Jonathan Taves? No, Cain. Patrick Cain. Patrick Cain. I mean, see. And I don't really. And I don't know that much about hockey either. Ollie has no idea. There we go.

Yes. Nice. that's really good okay um i always that these are so hard because i remember people ask me these questions all the time like what is your funniest memory on set you're like i don't know um but go ahead and ask but what was um but what was your funniest childhood of me no of the entire childhood i mean i feel like you told one well ours is just our parents were quirky and funny and we had this is we had a life size plastic cow in our front yard

while I was growing up. We have the plastic cow. No. Yes. We have a life-sized plastic cow. We still have it in there. We still have it. Wait, you guys are weird too?

And ours was from L.A. It was probably from the same store. They shipped it over. My dad's big gift. We should get them back together. That's so weird. Oh my God. But we had weird stuff like that.

We had a bust of Elvis in our dining room, just sort of like in a beautiful position. We had a huge weird, maybe it was art, but I don't think, like a Heinz ketchup bottle that was like the size of a toddler. It's not a good story, but we just had weird. It's almost like out of the Christmas story, like the lamp with the, the, the artwork was in our dining room. They had a framed photograph of the stock photo from steak and shake of the burger and fries like you would see on the wall. off a fast food place like that was framed nicely in our dining room that's kind of cool that's like almost like war-hally but it was you know not warhols you know the the the the cow our cow story is that my dad saw it in l. a offhand was like oh wouldn't it be funny if we had one of those

my mom calls has it shipped and sent for can give it to him for Christmas that that year she put it in the front yard and said go outside and he said oh my god I can't believe you got the cow so that's great so we all go inside for the night the cow lives in the yard we wake up the next morning, the cow is gone. Who stole the cow? Someone saw it and stole the cow. No. And it was neighborhood kids.

So we tracked it down. It took a couple days. No, but they couldn't get it upstairs. They wanted to put it in their bedroom or something and they couldn't get it upstairs. So they just brought it back. And they were like, sorry. It was like a bunch of dudes in migrate, I think. But it was classic like, classic like suburban New Jersey.

They had like a nice bottle of chardonnay on the top. Like, so sorry for stealing your car. who on fucking earth I know and I was like It was hard to be me Like to try to be cool in high school And that you know But it became normal to us

And then people come over and be like The fuck's going off the cow in the backyard Like oh yeah that is weird isn't it Yeah Who calls the other one more? I think I call you more Yeah You might

She's very busy She's very busy She doesn't have a lot of time for me With the Oscars and everything Oh right Of course winning all those gold statues. Most disagreed on topic.

Libby, she's like, has a competitive fire. And she gets worked up very easily. Like she gets like pissed off real quick about something. It's what happens when you grow up with older brothers. That's what it is. Yeah, you got to be on you. So maybe we disagree like just like a little more mellow. Maybe I should.

No? Yeah. And that's not. Disagreement, though. Disagree. It's a personality. Right. I'm controlling your, you know if you bring up something that might be heated, that it's not

going to be like. But she's not like going to scream at me about politics. No, no. No, but you're like, you're assertive. Yes. And I'm definitely competitive for sure. Yes. Who is more competitive?

I'm pretty competitive. You are really, yeah. But you also know like the old school ways of driving me crazy. Like there are certain voices you use that make me. be so mad like some of those things still work somehow certain words you use like there's still like the stuff from you know when you're 12 that just like great on you that he would continue to do I'm like oh like even with my kids I'm like you just are like my big brother it's just you're so annoying oh that's not nice yeah I know but that's what that's what your voice yeah what is that

you're just like like the voice used to make when you were like you knew it would annoy me when you're like ordering from a deli oh that's a comedy that's a comedy no I know what you do it because you know it bothers me. You know how people like. So like that's never left, you know? It just sort of trickles. You know, it's like a trigger.

It's like, the same voice. I'm just like, I hate that. That thing, you know, when somebody's like at a deli looking in the case

and they're taking too long and treating it like it's a real decision and they like have their glasses in their mouth while they look and the tuna salad looks good. How is that today? Like just the overthinking and overanalysis. Yeah. Yeah.

Things like that. Is that a good one? That's a good one. Okay, something your siblings really bad at. Oh, okay. Let's see. You're bad at... You're bad at...

You're bad at... You don't have a great dive. What do you talk? Too much of a great dive. Too much splash. Too much splash. You're too big for it. You should just give it up.

Why would you... You got to point your toes. Yes. Why would you wait until this podcast and tell me about that? Because that's what this is for. We don't need therapy now. This is good. we be honest with each other about our diving?

Too splashy. I want to see the dive. Jesus. It's just too big. Some people weren't made for it. It's fine. So. I'm trying to spice it up for you guys here. Okay.

So what about your sis? What's she bad at? She's, she gets, she's a bad driver. Oh my God. You get upset. I'm the best driver in the family. No, you get upset too quickly. But I'm right every time.

Like a guy's, he's got the signal on. He comes in and just let him go. she's you have to have it's good to be aggressive but you've got to have some poise when I gotta get you for me to be yeah yeah that's my goal oh god Livy I love you one thing you can do that your sibling can't dunk with a jock strap on is yours oh dunk he can dunk yeah still can you still haven't tried in a couple years okay uh who gives better relationship advice I don't think we give each other a lot of relationship advice we don't because we're better career advice you give better career

advice. You think so? I do. Yeah, you give really good career advice. I think Libby knows, always knows what to do and sometimes just needs one person to say, yes, you're doing the right thing. She knows. Her instincts are great. Who's more controlling? Am I? Maybe? I don't think you're controlling.

Really? I don't know. No, I'll go me professionally and you personally. How about that? Split the baby. Yeah, that's good. If you're going to go on a trip, siblings, family, who's making the decision as to Christina Geist. My wife. My wife.

Yeah. Sometimes she's just like, guys, let's do this. She's the best. She's a planner. She gets shit done. Very decisive. She's the best. Very decisive.

Better secret keeper. Who's the better secret keeper? Willius. I am mafia level. Yeah. Are you? It's a black box. Nothing.

People tell me things and they know it's just lots going to the grave. Who's more laid back? I think I'm a little more laid back. I'm giving myself a lot of credit. I know. No, it's good. The older you get, the more you're like, you know what? I can, I deserve to say that I am.

Yeah. I think I, not always, but I maybe have enough perspective on life now that I'm like, okay, that thing actually didn't matter. Willie's like, forget the questions. Look, I'm better looking. Yeah. Let's just get down to it. I'm great.

I'm the best. I'm hot. Every possible way. Yes. The big winner. Who's the most rebellious? I think Libby a little more. Yeah.

Who is the most rebellious in life, like when you were younger? I was never really, I was never a bad kid, I would say. I didn't do anything that cool. I think like high school parties and that stuff definitely me. Yeah. No one was ever arrested? No one ever got arrested. There were misdemeanor arrests, all over, nothing that would put me away for any period of time.

You never got thrown in the back of a cop car ever? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Fake IDs and stuff like that, though, you know, stuff to walk on. We had a shop in our kitchen in Ridgewood, New Jersey, me and a couple of friends. And what you had to do is take the real New Jersey ID and you had to loosen the adhesive. So we would boil water on my mom's stove and hold the license over it. And the heat would loosen the glue and then you'd peel the top, the lamat it off, change the date of the year and then put it back on.

And sometimes my mom would walk in. We'd be like, oh, we're just making some lunch. She's like, are you boiling a driver's license? How did they do that now? Because license are so hard to replicate. You can't anymore. No, I don't think you can. We had so much more fun.

If you were running for office, would there be skeletons in your closet that would keep you from winning? I don't think anything that would keep me from winning. No. I'm pretty boring that way. I have a vision for this country that's greater than any skeleton in my closet. No, nothing. No. Nope.

I mean, I'm sure they'd find something, but it would be pretty lame. It would be past the news cycle. Definitely. What about your first celebrity crush? Ooh, I love that question. I think mine was Justine Bateman, Mallory on Family Ties. Ooh, that's a good one. I like that show.

And she, yeah, I think it was Justine Bateman. Mine was Patrick Ewing. Really? Yeah. Wait, what? I'm still in love with him. Is that weird? I'm so confused.

That's amazing. Yeah, former Nick. Seven foot center Patrick Ewing. I just think he's the perfect human. And I've never met him and I never want to because it can only go downhill. Really? Wow. That's, it's a weird one.

It's a weird one. But it's, but I get it. It wasn't even MJ. It wasn't even Jordan. I know. I mean, I loved Michael, of course, but Patrick will always have my heart. So, yeah. Okay.

First, um, childhood crush like kiss. My childhood crush. was your wife no it was before that it was um i think fifth grade linley dilett at glen school i love these names every time we ask this linley dilett i don't know where she is now but i hope she's listening oh wow sweet yeah i tried to flirt with her once in fifth grade by stealing her lunch and then pretending i found it do you know what i'm saying like hey i heard somebody stole your lunch she's like i didn't even know that i was like i found it wow what a hero Did you steal it?

I was like, a little bit, but hi. And that was the extent of my flirting. That was my game. Yep. Yeah, it didn't work. And mine was Luke Fronfield, who we call affectionately Puk still. Great guy. And yeah, I think he would punch me on the playground and stuff.

And it was really romantic. And you still know Puky? Yeah. Puk and I are still tight. That's so cute. Yeah. Yeah. Favorite book of all time?

I'm going to go Animal Farm because I just read. read it recently. I read the Great Gatsby once a year. Kind of a boring answer, but I like going back to the old stuff where they appreciated nothing in high school when you had to read all those classics, so now I try to go back. If you could have one other job other than the one you're doing right now, what would it be? I think it would be really fun to run a political campaign. Obviously, not a mercenary, but to really believe in somebody and to fight for that cause and their beliefs and values i think that'd be really cool i always envy people like that you know that have that like really believe in something so strongly that they want to get behind it right and dedicate their

life to a cause yeah it's not glamorous but if you like the people who like the people who like the people who started with obama in 2003 when he decided he was going to run for senate i know a lot of those people and to be on the ground floor obviously that's once in a lifetime Obama but like to be invested and be like we believe in this guy nobody knows who he is yet but just wait and to have it turn out that that's cool i was just going to say i'll let you know when i'm ready to run oh yes i want to work on that campaign by that's a that's like a sitcom that's so hilarious is there a movie that you can quote from start to finish boys in the hood i couldn't do it right now because i know you're going to ask me but it when it came out in 91 the summer 91 i

loved it so much bought the tape and honestly watched it like four times a week i've feel that way about that movie, too. I don't have a, I'm not a good quote guy. But I think that one I've watched almost as many, probably with you, I think. But like Desert Island movie. You could pander and throw out one of Kate's movies. I know I was going to say. Probably a good move.

I don't try to that too. Rudy. That's what I might do. Libby feels like a real how to lose a guy in 10 days kind of girl. I am. Are you kidding me? Kate, that's an all-timer. Blazing Saddles was one.

My dad. He put that in. when we were young and was like this is how this is what's funny when was the last time you've seen blazing saddles you should put it in i should because it's so fucking funny it's so good yeah i watched three amigos yeah that's a great one too yeah we did um fried green tomatoes was an early favorite oh fried green tomatoes and then steel magnolias of course a question that we ask every sibling every group of siblings um if you could take something from your sibling for yourself to have as your own what would it be and on the flip side of that if you could take

something away from your sibling to make their lives a little bit better a trait a stressor of some kind what would it be okay this is really good I like this the take away I think you I would like some of your confidence I think you know, like especially because you've had success in what you're doing. I think you are speak confidently. You're confident in front of big groups. Like I think you are really good at presenting yourself and knowing what you believe in and saying it strongly. I could use more of that.

And then I think you also say yes to too many things. So as we said, you get up at four-ish in the morning. But oftentimes I'll call you or you'll be like, yeah, I'm like, volunteer. hearing it something or someone asked me to do this thing and I was like you just have so much stuff in your life and he's a really good dad and so I think um there are times where I was like why are you doing like it's the right that's very nice but why are you doing that thing so I think you could take some of the stuff off your plate so what she's saying that's a good thing she wants me to turn my back on the charities that I help not charities some of it is like that's an interesting

way I know there's like hosting gigs you know like there's it's like it's like it's like Like some people, I would say in the new year, you have a lot of people who go, I want to say yes more. And then there's a lot of people who's like, you know what, I'm going to actually say no. Right. Like he just is like takes it all. He's like, yes, I can do all of it. And he can. I mean, he keeps it up.

Yeah. I think you could like slow down. Okay. Well, that's interesting because it's a little bit where I was going. I was going to say slow down and appreciate the things in your life because it can feel chaotic. You got two young little boys tearing each other apart every day. you're commuting into the city you've got this amazing career

and you have some so I guess let me rephrase it I'll take the guilt out because sometimes Livy has to go to Sundance for a week and she's missing something don't feel guilty about that you got a great husband who's home we're all around and it's all building toward this amazing

career and life and journey that's going to be when you look back on it in 20 years you're going to say it was worth it because you are a good mom and you are there enough and don't feel that guilt so I'm taking the guilt away. I love that. Allie, Ollie.

That's great. Take my guilt away. Take my guilt away. Ooh. Yes. It's so relatable though. Even for myself, I mean, I have a lot of guilt,

you know, when I have to leave my kids or. I know. I know. You need to do more to feel guilty. You need to leave more to feel the guilt first. excuse me that's a separate it's a different podcast

I love that I can relate and then what about something that you wish that you oh I had quality that you would have would love to have I would love to have some of your I'd love to have some of your visionary talent

which is to say like to look at a big project and not crank it out out and get it done, but to, like, see something through, to plan it out, how would it be the best way to do this, to, like, step back from things, which she does in her job and her career. Big picture thinking. Yeah, big picture thinking instead of mine is the alarm goes off at 4.30 and got to get a three-hour

show on the air and then you move on to the next one to be able to, she's a better creative than I am. The things that they make and that she makes will last well beyond any of us. the things for the most part things i do last until tomorrow until we do another one and so i would love to have the ability to be as talented as she is and leaving something lasting wow good answer i love it well this has been so much fun i'm so comfortable thank you guys thank you guys this was fun thank you guys thank you so much Sibling Revelry is

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