Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - You Heard It Here First...a Lucius Exclusive

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Indie-pop band 'Lucius' joins the revelry, and they're hitting all the right notes! From their early days in Brooklyn, to bringing babies on tour, the singers reveal their secrets to staying in harmony on and off stage.  Plus, a Sibling Revelry Exclusive! Listen to their new single "Thick as Thieves" HERE and NOW before they debut it to the world!Follow Lucius for tour dates and more at https://www.instagram.com/ilovelucius/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of the on-purpose podcast. Recently, I had a conversation with the one and only Madonna. When I was broke and I had no friends, know where to live. I was held up at gunpoint. I was robbed. Always horrendous things happened to me. I had such an unhappy childhood that whatever happened to me in New York is better than what my life was. So I'm not going back. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Introducing IVF disrupted, the kind body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a

tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patience. You think you're finally like in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to IvyF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something. that highlighted our relationship and what it's like to be siblings we are a sibling revelry no no sibling reverie don't do that with your mouth sibling revelry that's good Ollie This is me.

I'm so excited right now. I know you are. Because I'm obsessed with these ladies. I love them. They're so brilliant. They're so beautiful. They have the most incredible voices. They're beautiful songwriters.

They have been around since 2007. They were formed in Brooklyn. They work with everybody from Harry Styles to War on Drugs to Brandy Carlisle. And then they've really, like, made a name for themselves. And I just literally, they are an obsession of mine. And it's Lucius, Holly. I think you pronounce it, Lysig and Jess Wolf. And they gave us exclusively their new single, Thickest Thieves,

for people to listen to only on our podcast, downloadable, right? Yep. On our podcast for the two days. And we're playing it after, right? We'll get through the end. interview and then we're going to play it. Then we're going to play it. Yeah. And I'm so excited. And you never, you never knew them. No, I'm just getting myself, you know, up to speed. Obviously,

I heard they're single, incredible. And then you have been sort of giving me songs to listen to. I mean, they're amazing. I mean, adding to my playlist for sure, without a doubt. Yeah, I'm, I'll be fan girling this whole interview and I have like I love their harmonies a lot like oh well that's what they do beautiful it's just surreal you know it's also like for girls I think they're just their whole vibe is the best um anyway let's let's get into it and uh I can't wait to meet them hello hi hi oh welcome I'm so happy and excited that you're on the show on our honored podcast. Thank you for having us. Where are you right now?

We're in my little casita in the back of my house in Silverlight. Oh, so you're in L.A.? Yeah. Oh, cool. You both live here. I don't know why I thought you guys lived in Nashville. I was splitting time in Nashville. I did a show called Nashville in Nashville.

Oh, yeah. So I lived there for a couple years as well. I'm friends with Callie. Oh, you are? Yeah, Callie. So T-Bone, we're actually going to record with T-Bone tonight. You are. Oh, fun.

Amazing. I was just with the guy who mixes for T-Bone. Yeah? Maybe Zach? Zach Dog? I don't know. I was doing something at the village, and there was a guy in there, and he was saying he was mixing something for T-Bone. Maybe.

Maybe it could have been Zach, but he's my neighbor, and my, my, my Hebrew school, boyfriend. Stop it. Where did you grow up? I grew up in the valley. In the valley. And you? And I grew up in Cleveland.

In Cleveland. Wow. It's very different than the Valley. Yeah. I remember going to Cleveland for the first time on tour with my ex-husband and I was like 21 years old and we showed up to a mall where the hotel was. So like you're in the mall. and then all I wanted to do was like something and I went down I was like what's there to do and the guy the concierge was like uh he's like nothing he's like you could go bowling right and I was like bowling was a big a big pastime yeah and so we went bowling

I mean bowling's fun it was fun it was fun it was fun it was fun it was having a bit of a renaissance yeah like Renaissance might be a little okay that's a stretch but There's like a little bit of a food scene, art scene now. Yeah, yeah. A couple of, that's what happens when things are really boring. Well, how does the valley meet Cleveland? How does that, that seems like worlds away at school? In Boston, yeah, you know, all the way. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, so you guys met in school. Yeah. We went to Berkeley College of Music. Okay. Mm-hmm. There we go. Of course you did. I have like

I have a secret like and like a envy I've worked with so many people who've gone to the Berkeley at this point and I'm like it just feels like the best musicians come out of that college You know it was all about community

So I think both of us felt a lack of community early in our early years and so when we went to school it was like the first time we had a place where there were like-minded kids and it was just so nice to create and to share ideas and explore things and and that was that was the real I think gift of Berkeley yeah I mean I remember like coming from you know my town in Ohio and I came coming to Berkeley in the first couple days like the first day in the it felt like to me that

that Blind Melon video where she the little B finds all finally at the end. Yeah, the best video ever. It is the best video. Yeah. Well, do you still work with people from that you went to school with?

I mean, we still have a bunch of close friends and our bandmates. Yeah. All went to Berkeley. Yeah. Oh, wow. Sort of by accident. because we weren't we didn't form together with them until we were in new york yeah but so wait

you go to berkeley and you're walking down the hall and you just like kind of high five and you're like let's do this exactly we had matching outfits on you know how do you find each other how does one find each other generally but give us the like genesis like what was the what was the first time you met first time we met i don't know that i i don't know that i don't know that i remember the very first time. Yeah. I think you came into our room, maybe. I don't remember for sure.

But you were friends. My first friend at school was Holly's roommate. And we were in the same orientation group. And she's a wild girl. And I remember her sharing things with me that I had, I feel like I had never even known about, let alone. Wait, this is the roommate. Yeah, yeah.

And I was like, oh, I'm going to be friends with this one. And then, yeah, I can't remember, but we somehow ended up all hanging out in their room, like cooking on Holly's rice cooker. And the rest was history. Did you study, did you study instrument or was it just vocals? It was vocal. Vocal was our instrument at school. Okay. And then, yeah, I guess I didn't have piano class at Berkeley. But I'm so curious because you have, at Berkeley, you've got just a ton of musicians spanning all different, the spectrum of music, right?

And then the community is big, it's real, there's so much opportunity to fall in with someone or a group or something that is going to sort of propel you. or launch you or inspire you. And like for you guys to have found each other, what was the thing? You know, it's like, are you making rice? And all of a sudden you're like, and then it's like, wow, like this works. Yeah, that's sort of us in a nutshell.

I mean, we started talking about our musical upbringings and the music. really that our dads would play for us and what were those what was it old school soul music sam cook roy orberson like the oldies channels um we both were sort of old souls and so we decided to get together and do a white album cover show a girl group version of the white album which never happened um i love that idea yeah it would be cool yeah yeah we started working on happiness is a warm gun and then we just sort of pivoted and started writing our own songs yeah yeah and we it wasn't like any

particular plan or vision or goal end goal in mind we just uh kept getting together after that point and and started writing our own music and booking little shows and obviously your guys's voice i mean you know because that's your instrument in your ear that the second you start singing together. It's like, hmm, oh, is you sound amazing. I think there was an aha moment when we got in the studio for the first time and recorded. And, you know, we both wanted to be lead singers, but we wanted to be lead singers together. And, you know, we didn't want to just do harmonies or just trade off verses or something. And we were thinking about some of our favorite sort of recordings, you know, Elliot Smith and Phil Spector, the wall of sound. And a lot of

these recordings double track vocals. So we were like, oh, well, we could just do that live. I would think that you guys would have had that kind of moment where you were like, this sounds amazing. Because then for those who don't know

that listen in our podcast, you've also, I mean, you've sang with so many people and have collaborated with so many musicians and just like make everything they do sound great. I personally like I find myself falling in love with music that I don't know you're on and you're on it

like I don't live here anymore I cover that I love covering that song I love that song such a great song but then you're on that and then you know dance around it was like I mean I knew that was your song but dance around it is like Ronnie and I theme song in life, my daughter. And so just you guys, and it ranges from, I mean, everything you do range, it has so much range. And I love the new single. I'm so excited that you're allowing us to, you know, give it an exclusive play.

And, and, but I mean, it started, okay, so you guys, you met in Berkeley, then you went to New York in 07 and what was so what was your first big break really tiny desk right yeah yeah i think npr's tiny desk was that was kind of the first well we had written bob boylan like before that a couple of times right yeah we had sent him like handwritten letters and like burned CDs and then he finally you know got in touch with us and we did a tiny desk and that was the first time that we started playing shows where people that like weren't related to us showed up and we were like what's happening here wow and singing along yeah yeah and so that felt that really feels like probably the biggest break and people still bring it up even

though it was ages ago yeah look back and feel like babies doing yeah I'm like why did we wear bows in our hair. That was awful. Why did we do that to ourselves? Frozen in time. Oh, my God. How long were you in New York? We were in New York for eight years.

Yeah. And it was really fun. It felt like, and I'm sure everyone feels that way about when they're living in New York. But at the time, it felt like there was just, there was a certain magic happening. Like, where I remember, like, going all the jazz clubs I mean on the weekly we lived with a couple of jazz musicians

as well but we just go from from room to room and hear John Batiste and Chris Dave and Robert Glasper and this was before they were the versions of themselves that you know now that time I was living in New York then

like the early aughts and so was my partner Danny and they had a band named Chief and there was just this like vibe happening in new york so it was like the cabin remember the cabin yeah the club it was like you go down there and every musician that you just either loved or were discovering would be there until like four in the morning yeah um it was such a it was such a great time for music it really was yeah and we took it for granted because that's what you do but we we we I mean took it for granted I shouldn't say that we we immersed ourselves but but

We didn't know how much of a moment it was, was, you know, until... Until you're gone. Yeah. Hi there, this is Josh Clark from the Stuff You Should Know podcast. If you've been thinking, man alive, I could go for some good true crime podcast episodes, then have we got good news for you. Stuff You Should Know just released a playlist of 12 of our best true crime episodes of all time. There's a shootout in broad daylight.

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Oh, yeah, I remember seeing Jack White. I remember seeing the white stripes at Bowery Ballroom when everyone was like clamoring over them to sign them. And, and, or, or deciding, I wouldn't even say clamoring, just deciding whether they were going to sign them or not. And I had a friend that was at Virgin. And we went to Bowery and saw it. And it was so fucking great.

And I was like, you're an idiot. if you don't sign this band like yeah and they were like these like Detroit kids that just were you know hopping around getting bigger and bigger it was like that it just that that energy around that time was just have it was awesome it doesn't exist there anymore like that

or it doesn't feel like unless there's a new younger I mean we're out of touch yeah it might be that well no because my son's at NYU he's there And it really doesn't. It doesn't have the same. It's not for that, for music.

It's not the same. But why do you think it's the rise of like EDM and more of an electronic vibe or this new sort of era of hip hop? You know, like what is it that you think, you know, why do you think that that's? Everyone's making music in their. Yeah. Right. It's also really like live music is these venues. like I think it's expensive like this idea of it going because they're just listening or watching

else I mean there was the need for community yeah I think communities made our entire careers yeah I think that's like you I mean like you said singing on other people's tracks or you know going on tour with whomever building a network in New York like I don't know it just I feel like we'd be nothing without everyone in. Yeah. Now, what was your first big tour? Probably Jack Way. Yeah, that was probably our first.

In Europe. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That was like our first arena tour. Yeah. Fun. How does that work out? You just get the call.

Hey, we want you guys on the bill. Yeah. Simple as that. Yeah. I mean, the basics of Dominic, again, like this is, you know, friends of friends, but the basis Dominic was. friends his wife was a childhood friend of our old guitar player and he they had heard our record and passed it on jack and you know invited us invited us out something like that yeah um i think before

that we had done some like van tours with like jd mcpherson and that was our first our first real tour yeah what was your first big burnout like got me the fuck off the road like do you you remember the moment we were like, I can't do. I can't. I mean, I know I don't even play music and I had that like being married to one. I was like, I'm going to go crazy. I think, well, on Wildowman, our first record, we toured relentlessly and we were driving ourselves in a van and we did radio shows in the morning. Like we drive overnight and then do a radio show at seven in the morning and then get to the venue and we were so, how many, we had like two non-consecutive weeks off

that entire year. And the end of the year, we were in Europe. And I remember, like, walking the streets of Paris, just like a zombie being like, I'm in Paris. Why aren't I enjoying this? It's wrong here.

We were just so tired. Yeah. Although, have a baby and go on tour, and it's a whole new level of exhaustion. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I was crazy, I mean, a very tour story,

but I'll share it. You guys will appreciate this. Chris was headlining Bonaroo and Ryder was a year and change and got a 105 fever where he started to become lethargic. Oh no, no, no.

I had to take him to the Nashville Children's Hospital, get him on a thing. I didn't know what was going on. I had take x-rays. He was on a ivy. Chris had to get to Bonaroo. So he took one bus. I had the other bus. I am then now going back. Finally we left. Now I'm going to Bonaroo with a sick baby. And then he starts getting sick again and throwing up everywhere. And I'm calling the doctor. And I'm like, I just was like, I just wanted to be home. I was like, I'm on the bus.

in the middle of like because Bonaroo obviously is a little bit outside of Nashville and finally I call the doctor he's like his fever is probably breaking he's going to be okay and we finally landed at Bonarue and Ryder was finally like calmed down and watching

something on the bus and I just got outside and I looked out at this festival which is where everybody's coming to like celebrate and have a great time and party and have fun and I was just like get me off the road get me off the road with the baby it's so hard i can't even imagine what it's like for you having to then go

so i hope that never happens to you on your way to bonnero it probably will how old is your baby now mine is 10 months oh my god and uh we've been on the road since eight weeks and um he's he's he's thank god he is so social never met a stranger he didn't like he's a road baby he he yeah although the sleep uh you know magically we get on tour and he won't sleep through the night and i'm like come on just like wait till we get home for that i know i i feel like it's just better i i feel like it's just better to sleep with the baby because then they sleep better, you know?

He won't sleep in my bed. Really? He wants his own space. He's an independent man. How does that feel for you? I mean, eight weeks and you're, I mean, that's hard. That's like, just statement.

And I had a C-section. Oh, stop. So you're six weeks of basically not be able to do anything and two weeks later you're singing? Oh, yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't recovered. I'm still not recovered. Yeah, it was, it was too soon.

It was too soon. But, you know, okay, it was, it was special because the year before at the same festival, we played Brandy Carlisle's festival in Mexico, and she's a dear friend. And the year before I had a miscarriage at the festival. Wow. And so I was wanting to repair that. Yeah, change that narrative. It was a full circle moment.

So I was sort of determined to be there. Amazing. How did that feel? It felt really powerful. I mean, I don't even think in the moment, until we got on stage and she brought him out. I mean, there was like a full Simba moment. Wow. and yeah it felt it felt really healing and necessary so i i i'm glad we did it i was exhausted

but i'm glad we did it and holly i mean holly was eight months pregnant on tour with a toddler yeah oh my god and no nanny we were we were hiring a different babysitter in each city yeah that was which was maybe the worst you guys you did you get one nanny for the both of you on on the road Bombo tour with Dawes. And we didn't have, you know, we were like sharing a bus with everyone. So, yeah. Wow. And had to re-explain everything every day.

So, but back in the day. I love those guys. When you guys were touring, you know, back in the day. Yeah. Were you, did you party? Did you drink? Did you have fun? Yeah.

I mean, you know, it's hard to be a heavy. Well, I mean, for some people, for me, it's hard to be a heavy drinker. and sing, like, really sing. So I never was a heavy drinker. Right. That wasn't my, that wasn't my. But it's just funny to see the sort of, from the beginning of when there's free birds, drinking, having fun, to now you're on tour with, with babysitters or with children.

And it's just a whole fucking different ball game. Yeah. A different ballgame. I mean, we definitely partied. We definitely had fun. Yeah. We were nonstop. Yeah.

And we didn't know what what lied ahead. It's nice, you know, no hangovers now. Yeah. Different kind of hangover. No hangover. I still, I feel like even with kids, I still have hangovers. Yeah. Every once in a while.

Yeah. From alcohol, you're saying, Kay? Yeah, I still go out. You just had one just this weekend. I know. I had a horrible hangover. But I didn't even drink. I woke up, I had a martini and white wine

And then I had a glass of white wine And I woke up like I drank A bottle of vodka It was like what the fuck My brain felt like it was exploding That's the thing It's like yeah The tolerance is way down now

And I just I can't I mean I have a couple beers I love a beer I'm a beer girl So is Ollie's wife I love beer I love a good beer too cold, there's really like a cold beer, you know. Yeah. A cold shitty beer, honestly.

I know. Like, none of these IPAs. Yeah, see, Aaron loves the IPAs. I like an IPAs. But like, like, like a Miller, like a Miller High Life or like a PBR. I like, I like, I like a wheat beer. I like, yeah. Like a hefficin. Yeah, I like a half a vison. A half a vison. I, if I have any alcohol before I start saying, I sound awful.

I mean, it's drying. It's really like, I mean, you need the hydration. And we're sent, we get more and more sensitive as we get a little older. So it's, it makes sense. I have to do so much more than I ever had to do 10 years ago. Yeah. Now, did you both grow up in very musical households? Very artistic. I would say we both did. Some music, like music lovers. And there was some music in my family. too piano players and singers and stuff like on my dad's side but in my immediate family it was there was a lot of visual art and same with Jess that was another thing that we kind of connected on yeah well it shows in your and your whole how you present yourself you know your outfits and how um but but so what did they do my mom is I mean she she's a I wouldn't call her a painter per se but she paints and she she's just an artistic person she she's worked at the getty for 28 years since it opened oh wow cool I live right near the Gettys I'm gonna go say hi to her after this anytime you want a tour she's your go she's just

kind of an awesome lady she's she's more of like an art historian and she's yeah so she always inspired me. And my dad had great taste in music. So he was the one playing me, you know, tapes and CDs as a young girl. And, you know, he introduced me to Linda Ronstadt and Edda James and Aretha and, you know, Roy Arbison. And I was, I was doing a lot of listening. He really made me fall in love of music. And my mom was primarily a weaver until we were little. And then she, she was an art teacher for a while. And my grandfather was a painter and he was the art director for American Greetings. So both of my folks worked at American Greetings for a while as well.

Oh, cool. Yeah. Cleveland, that's like a weaver is like amazing. Ohioans weave too. I love it. I'm like, wow. That's so, that makes me. That makes me so happy.

If you're from Cleveland, you might be weave it. That's going to go to the tourism board. So how do you do your outfits? Like, do you have, like, I mean, I'm sure everyone who knows and loves you wants to know how this works. Do you work with a stylist? Do you do yourself? Do you have someone who makes them? I was going to ask them about that, too, just the evolution, too, of just not just your music, but, you know, the aesthetic.

Like, did that evolve and is it constantly evolving? Yeah, it's evolving like with our, you know, we're always creating a different world dependent on the, on the music that's being written. Really, we wanted to dress the sounds. We had, you know, because we loved girl groups and we loved, we love visual things and striking things, we had always, that was always going to be an element of it. And we were initially, like, coordinating, you know, coordinating our outfits. But then we went to the very first South by Southwest that we did, right?

And a friend of ours said, you know what you guys should do? Should dress exactly the same, like head to toe, everything. Because you sound like one person. So you should look like one person. And we both kind of like creepy things. And then I'm like, you know, it's like a choir. When you see a choir and everyone's in matching rubs, you think about a group of people per se.

You think about the sound that they're creating together. When you look at them, you look at as a unit. Yeah. And so we were like, and at the time, we couldn't afford a set or something like that. So we were a walking set. So anytime we'd go to a festival and we had our hair bleached exactly the same way and our costumes and everything was just our nail polish,

everything exactly the same people were like who the fuck are they yeah it's the best like go to this stage at 3 p.m. and check it out and it served us in those early days for sure yeah and who made the cost did you have like a friend you made them or did you do them yourself no we were just like getting cheap outfits honestly and like tailoring them and then but just like finding weird shit online or whatever and um now you know we have a couple of people that um do our embroidery like fort lonesome does our embroidery we have a tailor in l.A that if we have a wild idea he'll i'll find some fabric and he'll sew it together and we've done some stuff with christian joy who does a lot of carino's stuff um our friend amy

when we need help especially like as a group helping the the guys dress and stuff um amy sotterland She dresses us, but normally it's, normally it's us. I love it. Fun. Although, a full-time job finding costumes and figuring it out. So, you know, at some point it'd be nice. I feel like it's like, I don't know how to explain that to people, but that's like I love, like playing dress up is something I will do until I die. Yeah.

Because it's just so much fun. It was sort of a happy accident, but we both wanted to be. lead singers in the band, but we wanted to be lead singers together. And a lot of the records that we loved so much were, you know, Elliot Smith and Phil Spector, all the like wall of sound recordings. And a lot of those recordings, there were double-tracked vocals. So we sort of were like, well, we could, we could do this in the studio, but we could do it live. And a lot of people don't do that, you know, we don't know many people who do that. Like the or you know some not that many people so we um we started doing that and it was a very natural

fit separately we have very different voices different timbers but together it does create this sort of unusual thing and um yeah and i think like because we have these two different timbers we can get more dynamic out of our our sound um because we can play to whoever's strength is happening at which point, you know. Do you guys ever fight? Not really. Not really.

We fought a couple times. Yeah. A couple times in 20 years, though. Yeah. Yeah. There's been like two like, I'm leaving. Yeah.

A moment. And then like 10 minutes later, you know, it's over. I just think where it's, it's kind of like the voices is that the personalities are different enough to be really complimentary and we have different strengths so we're not really like yeah it's not and when you work with other people do are you writing with them or like do you do

do writing sessions we write together or we just do like vocal arrangements um you know a lot of times people just want us to come and do their do our thing in their world and so you know we've been given thankfully a lot of freedom to just go in there and and you know paint yeah have you been offered collaborations or done collaborations where you get the call and you're like this is weird but let's give this a shot you know what I mean I mean we've had like kind of from all like very different worlds have to us and so not like oh this is super weird because we like all different kinds of music and I think that's maybe what's attractive for other people but it is funny when you see some of the artists that we've worked with like side to side

and you're like that's wild yeah it's like completely different walks of music yeah was there a moment when someone called you and you were like oh shit cool like was that like a first kind of artists that like we were invited to come sing with roger we were roger waters yeah and do the pink floyd thing um we were sort of like that was the first sort of time on that scale yeah and we didn't know what to expect we were told we were going to sing on two songs. We were doing a sort of, he wasn't announced, so like a surprise appearance at Newport Folk Fest in Rhode Island, which is a very special place in itself. And my wearing jacket was to be the backup band, and Holly and I were going to sing.

And Roger was coming. So we were learning all these Floyd songs. Well, two of them. And we had written Roger like, if there's anything else, because we had seen the set list, we're like, there's a lot of potential songs on here that we could sing on. And he wrote back, cool, dash R. Yeah. So we sort of were like, let's just learn it in case, because you never know, you know. And we get there and we sing through these songs. It's great. You could tell he was into it we sit down to um just admire the the rest of the set uh the rehearsal and he starts playing through the verse of another song and he stops and he looks over at us and he yells yells not and jim james is he's like oh no they're not and james is he's like oh no they're not singing

on this song and he's like they're singing on every song yeah and the show was wow wow wow we went back to the hotel and just like crammed finals all night oh how like exciting it was epic i mean like i remember the rain was pouring down during mother and then the clouds parted and you know we did wish you were here something And the eclipse and all that. Yeah, eclipse, right. A rainbow came out. I mean, it was just like, okay.

Yeah. Captain, for sure. And, yeah, I mean, that was a pretty magical moment. You can't really write those ones. That's so cool. I know you guys like to work with David Cobb a lot. But are there any sort of producers or writers that just like you feel like really or just magic.

John Everett. Yeah. Sean Everett's a long-time collaborator. He first mixed our, he mixed our first record. He connected us with foreign drugs for that. So he did that, I don't live here. He did all those. All those records.

We were sort of making simultaneously and trading off days in the studio. And so that's how we met Adam. And he's just one of the, he's the most creative person I think we've ever met. He's just one of those people that there is nothing that can't be done and everything that can be done. And he's definitely a maximalist. But watching him is like watching, I don't know, Basquiat or something. It's like it's just astonishing how. So for him like more is more.

Like more is like just like let's just in terms of layering. Yes. Yeah. In terms of exploring creative worlds. Yeah, and he wants to be creative with you And he's so nice He's Canadian He's like the nicest guy I've ever met

This is so pleasant to be around But yeah, like if you'll let him go He will just like go forever It's so great It's so fun I highly recommend And just yeah It's just the greatest

He's just the greatest guy So we've made a few records together And we'll probably make more At some point Yeah so you're on the road right now or are you getting back on the road we're getting back on the road at the end of the month yeah we release the record in May 2 May 2nd 5-2-25 yeah oh so you release the record so this is a new single this is a new single okay so this isn't attached to the record in May it is it is okay recorded it at the same at the same time and yeah we had a couple songs that were part of those sessions and kind of part of the world of the record but could live on their own as single, so... Right.

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It's awesome It's the one you sent it to me I got it And that's why I was wondering Because it's a single So I was like is this like A new album Right

But so this is Are you going to put out a deluxe? I think so I think that's what you do at some point Right? Yeah But I got like Coffee

Yeah my neighbor bruises own coffee I got all the like goods and I was like this is the best it was the best my mom made the cookies the cookies were so yummy I was like this is like so Ollie they sent me the vinyl

Oliver we'll send you the vinyl too yeah yeah just the cookies or the cookies are good and I was like oh my God everything about this I loved and the album's just amazing You guys, I'm such a, I mean, you can tell I'm such a big fan, but I just, I love what you do and you're, you know, I'm just excited for you that like in these last, I'd say what, like five years that you guys have just become like so much even more known in the music world and it's so cool. Do you like the exposure?

I mean, do you like being known was part of your goal being famous? Or was it just the music or? I don't think we're famous. Yeah. You're not famous. But you kind of are. Almost famous. But you kind of are.

I mean, like... Okay, then let me rephrase it. Do you want to be famous? Do you want to have people, everyone know who you are? I think we, I mean, I can only speak for myself, but just the ability to continue making music and have it be sustainable. And, and, you know, have flexibility in our lives in a way that, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. And part of making this most current record was to, you know, bring ourselves into the focus again a little bit because we had collaborated so much with other people. And we wanted to remind others, but also ourselves, you know,

that we're songwriters and we're singers. and we've got things to say and all that. How much does the business side of this industry play into what you do? I know it has to, obviously, at some point. But, you know, are you business focused or are you just way more creative focus? You have to be. It has to go hand in hand. I mean, we have a hard time with the TikTok gang and things.

It just does not come. We didn't come up with that stuff. So it's just, it's so not, it's so unnatural to us. I think there's a way to create a language that feels natural. We just haven't figured what that is yet in that medium. But, you know, you have to be focused in areas outside of, you have to be creative in business as well as in the actual performance part of things. because, you know, it's part of what makes people clever and makes people, puts people out there.

And, you know, there's a lot of people trying to do what we do and who are really talented. And some people, you know, some of the most talented people, I'm sure we all know, don't ever figure it out. Yeah. It's not for lack of talent. Yeah. It's really, it's such a hard business. I mean, do you attribute that to luck? I think it's like the meeting of like luck, talent, hard work.

And, yeah, I mean, I guess being in the right place, the right time is luck. Yeah. Well, you also said community. I think that's a big one, you know, because like I know, you know, as it is a small community. So when you start to like create with different people and meet different people throughout, like you start to have these connections it's like I remember

David Foster saying like TC he always says I mean he's a completely different beast but he's just like network network network like networking is half the battle and for so many musicians it's like that's like putting them into a position you're like like what what like networking

it's not what I do I want to go into my hole in my cave and I want to create music I don't want to like sell so it's like it's such a hard business to kind of like get out there unless you have some kind of break unless the timing or or or you have a friend who is more like that who knows what you're what you know what you're capable of or someone who's played on something and you're like oh my god he's this guy's so amazing on keys you should meet him and play with him and then it's sort of that's so much a part of

how people but like I think the thing is I always say this about any arts really but like music in particular it's so expensive

Oliver to like tour so even if you have even if you have people listening and the ability to you know go out and you know maybe play a show

and sell out a club or something you still have to pay so many people and then the second you get a deal then you're paying that person and then you're paying another and musicians like come home unless you're at a certain level

if you're not touring all the time all the time all the time all the time you're not making any money you're lucky if you're breaking even consider to win which is really sad I mean it and it's getting harder because it's getting more expensive

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, yeah, I mean, not to bring this down. But it is, but you know, I, I always say like, it's like you said, like to be able to just do it, you know, to be able to have it be something you can do and sustain. And it is, is so, such a blessing. So how long is this next leg? We have three weeks in October and then two and a half weeks in November. Yeah. And then we're done for the year. Yeah. Great. Which will be nice. We'll be home for the holidays.

Mm-hmm. We pretty much end in L.A. You guys should come. Oh, a thousand percent. The will turn. Mm-hmm. It's exciting. You did you have an anniversary of your debut film, right?

Oh, almost famous? 25 years. Wow. Oh. Really close with time. Cameron. Yes. He's got a book coming out.

And working on a movie. And working on a really exciting movie. Are you guys going to help? I think maybe. Yeah. Yes. Where else are you guys going to play? Will you send it to us so that or like have someone send us your.

Yeah. So I can come find. You'll always play LA. They'll be other time. I loved every second of this. I feel like we. need to end with our normal question even though it's usually for siblings i feel like you guys are basically siblings yeah that's that's a good one for them okay so the two part question is um the first

part is if you could emulate something like more like something that you could emulate from the other that you wish you had more of what would that be and then the other part of the question is alleviate like if you could take something from the other person and make their life lighter or easier, what would that be? For me, it would be like the social boldness that she has. I just don't have that in me. And I would like some of that. I think that would be. And alleviate. I mean, the first thing I think of is just like, take your baby for a day. You know that kind of thing.

Thank you. You can. That can happen. And then can I give you mine. Wait, that doesn't help me. We can, though. Mine is, okay, for Holly, the thing that I wish I had that she has is just the ability to

she's just so thoughtful like just the ability to pause and really like examine her words before she spews things out like I do sometimes just has a way with her words and I wish I had that, that, like, gentle thoughtfulness that she has. And alleviate, I mean, you know, I wish that I could just send you on a big-ass-free vacation. Pay all your bills. Maybe win the lottery, too. but you'll share it with me right I love it

you guys thank you for coming on this was amazing and we're going to play the single we have the exclusive thick as thieves and it's going to be on our

you know in our downloadable on our podcast for the next two days before it comes out and I just can't wait to see you in person yeah let's hang

with music or cook or something all of it I'm down I'm down I'm down thank you so much thank you for having you yeah I'll talk to you soon yeah bye guys bye guys thank you so much

aren't they great yeah cool I love I love like the musician brain I just like so specific and there's such these like if you watch them they're so amazing and they sound like you should listen to them live they're just perfection

I just anybody listening that loves music just go deep on Lucius they're just worth it yeah Silver Lake man Silver Lake All right I love you Well we have the exclusive that's going to be playing

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We were looking for something I want to be the winner just for once So we'd run under the bleachers Well, everyone was cheering and pretend it was for us. Oh, pretend it was for us. Curfews up now, we don't want to go home. We don't want to go home. Boy, waiting in the wings, oh, anywhere we go.

Um, the sun's so hard, and the breeze feels so good, but it rarely comes around. You just want to love. We love our life We were looking for something I want to be the winner just for once So we'd run under the bleachers Where everyone was cheering And pretend it was for us

We were looking for something I want to be the winner just for once So we'd run under the bleachers Everyone was cheering And pretend it was for us Oh, pretend it was for us. I'm You know

If you got in the crowd I saw you there see you now You You got it in the crowd I saw you there you now.

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