Sidebar: A Suits Watch Podcast - Dog Fight

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

It’s the moment you’ve all been waiting for... we finally take a deep dive into the can opener! We’ve reached the season 1 finale, "Dog Fight." Kevin Bray was back at the helm and Patrick and Sarah are ready to discuss. They play "who said it?" with the best one-liners, and Kiki’s day is made when Sarah casually drops intel about The Devil Wears Prada.  Sarah breaks down one of the greatest scenes of the season for Patrick, and they reminisce about learning the show had earned a second  season!   Email us a voice memo of your questions about Suits at [e-mail]. We may use it on the show!Follow us on Instagram & TikTok - @suitssidebarGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using this show link: https://siriusxm.com/sidebar

Uh, okay, shall we start and then we'll talk? It's a big one today, let's get into it. I think I'm gonna go. Ready? No! I went to the dermatologist by the way, I got my bumps checked. Which ones? My body bumps. And?

They're good. No biopsies? Nothing. No scrapies? Good shape. No scrapes, no nothing. Did they scrape your nuts? That's next week. Nothing. No scrapies? Good shape. No scrapes, no nothing. Did they scrape your nuts? That's next week.

And welcome to Dogfight. Hi everyone, welcome to Sidebar, a Suits Watch podcast. My name is Sarah Rafferty. And I'm Patrick Adams, and we were both actors on the TV show Suits, but this is our first time actually watching the show. And this week we watched season one, episode 12, Dogfight. But before we dive in...

Before we dive in... How are you? I'm good. I can't believe we're at the end here. Oh, my, though. Let's not get into that, though. Look what I brought today. You have a show and tell? Tell the audience what this is. This is a... I...

Oh, was that like a Kiwi Crate project? Did somebody make that? Aurora made that and she told me I had to bring it with me. Can I touch it? Yeah. Is it a little fox? It is a little fox and she was really like committed to me having it, which is rare.

So that was a good pop-up moment. It has a baby bjorn sling. It's pretty good. It's so good. I love it. Can I hold it for the show? Yeah. Yeah, let's switch back and forth when we need it. I'm not gonna be good. Pretty cute. I love it. Can I hold it for the show? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Let's switch back and forth when we need it. I'm not going to be good at sharing today. Okay. Well, that's a great way to start any kind of dialogue or conversation. Conversation, collaborative experience. I'm not going to share. This isn't going to go well.

Guess what I did yesterday. What'd you do? I watched On Call, the first episode of Troian Bellisario's new show in the Dick Wolf universe. And? Oh my gosh, I was floored. She's great, right? She is so transformed.

She is so great. It is so compelling. Wait for episode four or five. Like, that's where I- You're telling me it's gonna get better because it can't. There's eight episodes. I have not finished it yet, five. Like, I've... You're telling me it's gonna get better because it can't. There's eight episodes. I have not finished it yet, in all honesty, because I'm on six now.

Because we're now watching it at night. She allows me to watch it while she sits next to me in bed, which is really nice. Lies next to me. We don't sit in bed. We lie in bed. She... By four and five, it's like, I don't even know who I'm watching anymore. It's so good. She's so good. Yeah. Troian has disappeared and her character, you know, it's so funny We don't this will be for our on call podcast but like this was one of those auditions that You know, we talked about our auditions for this show and like I don't know

I went in being like I know that this is me I can do this give me the job and those are great auditions We're like there's no there's a thin line between what you need and what I know I can deliver. This for her, you know, I don't think I'm speaking out of school, was one of those auditions that was like not in a million years. Yeah. Like this will never be me.

I will never get this. That's exactly how I would have felt when I saw that character. I was like, this transformation takes so much, I wanna say work, but like conjuring. I also love seeing a woman in this starring role with this, in a show with this kind of grit. Yeah, yeah.

And realism. Yeah. It's different. When you showed the billboard on your Instagram, like it's trying. Yeah driving that cop car Anyway, so proud of her. Thanks for bringing it up. Yeah, how are you? Otherwise before we? Dive in here. I'm

Excited for for talking about this show. Me too. Let's get into the brief. Yes today We're breaking down season one, episode 12, Dogfight. This episode was written by Aaron Korsch and directed by Kevin Bray. We've got our dream team back together again and it originally aired on Thursday, September 8th, 2011. And in this episode, Harvey works to get an innocent man released from prison,

but the new district attorney puts up a fight. Things come to a head with Mike and Rachel's relationship and Trevor's back in town. Oh no. The facts from our firm's best researcher, Kiki, shoot dates August 4th to 12th. Episodes 107 and 108 aired while we were shooting this. And on August 11th, our second to last day, USA announced that we were getting a second season, which I believe I have a video of and we'll put it on our socials. You do? I think I have a video of and we'll put it on our socials. You do?

I think I have a video of the moment when we were told that. Where were you? Where were you standing? We were on set. We were on the first stage in the corner. I can't remember what scene we were shooting. Like Carby's office? No, the bathroom.

We were kind of near the bathroom set, which I don't think we shot in here, so I don't know what it would have been, but... Do you remember how you felt going into this last episode? Like, did it feel like the last one of the season? Were you tired? Were you excited? Were you... I think I must have been really excited. We've talked, I mean, tired, yeah. I'm so tired, I'm always tired. And excited to go home. You know what I mean?

We've been away from home. This is... At this point, I've been away from home. This is, at this point, I've been away from Troyan this whole time. I think I'm just excited to not be operating at a nervous excitement every single day. I was like ready to go home and chill. And also I think I don't remember how it felt to get the news about the second season,

but what a gift that is to know we get to leave set. Without wondering. And that we're gonna be coming back. And how, Kiki, can you chime in on this? How were the ratings and what were the press releases like around this kind of moment? It was an interesting time because we weren't actually counting any sort of DVR or any streaming or anything like that, so the big win was to be a cable show that beat the networks. So the 10 p.m. slot on Thursday nights, Suits was beating all cable and broadcast networks.

No way. Yeah. I don't remember that fact. Yeah, that's cool. That is a fun fact. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. We had a hit on our hands. So how many million does that mean-ish

that we were pulling in on the night? Total viewers was generally about six million people. But again, that doesn't necessarily mean that's all that was watching it because we had DVR at that point, we had video on demand, and those numbers were not counted for a couple more years.

So there were probably several more hundred people that were actually watching it. Probably like 40 or 50 million. Probably. It's my guess. 40 or 50 million. Yeah it. Probably like 40 or 50 million. Probably. It's my guess. 40 or 50 million? Yeah. Just a cool 40, 50 million. Six million people is no small number

when it comes to cable television. That's a pretty great number. Yeah. Yeah. So Patrick, when I watched this episode, this was the one that I had the most memories from, I think, going forward. I know we got a lot more episodes left,

but I think it's gonna be this episode for me because I was so surprised how I was like, viscerally back, like in my body in the moment with certain scenes here. Sure. I didn't know that a lot of the scenes that we're gonna get to, I didn't remember that they were in the finale,

but they loomed large for me and I could almost, this is so weird, it's like I could almost feel playing the beat. Like I could feel it in my body on certain lines and. Well you have some amazing moments in this episode, so it's actually kind of funny that they live in your body because I feel like you are in your, you're in the pocket so to speak in this episode.

And the funny thing is you know I remember nothing, but I remember how that felt. Yeah, but I think there's are in your, you're in the pocket, so to speak, in this episode. And the funny thing is, you know I remember nothing, but I remember how that felt. Yeah, but I think there's something that happens. They seem to line up our core memories, so to speak, like where we're like, oh, I remember, seem to line up with the moments in the show that are working really well. Oh, yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Like something's really cooking. Sometimes you have a memory that's like, oh, I remember this was very uncomfortable too, but I think that thing where we go into our body, Yes. And we're like, oh, I remember this was very uncomfortable too. But I think that thing where we like go into our body. Yes. And we're like, yes, I could be in that moment. Seems to be when something drops in creatively.

That's so cool. I love that idea though of building core memories. You process them through your body, but that you can build core memories that are made up things. Like as actors, like I'm still carrying some core memories that were like half me, half Donna. But it's, yeah, but it's like not made up things. Like, as actors. Like, I'm still carrying some core memories that were like half me, half Donna. But it's, yeah, but it's like not made up, right?

Because you're still in the moment, like, trying to make a scene work, and it works. And that, that working. That like, oh, we're in it. This is it. Like, this is it working. It's probably that feeling that, like, we remember, right? I'm just so excited going into this.

We got the team back together. We have Aaron Korshaw right off the bat of watching this episode. We have Aaron and Kevin back together. And I feel like it's the dream team. We're all there. We haven't all been together the way that we were together shooting this episode

since the first and second episode together. So that makes me excited to watch. We've got some great one-liners in this episode. Can you think of some off your dome? Just right off the top of your dome, like, who said this? I'm not here for your absolution, I'm here for your redemption. Ah, that's Harvey.

That is Harvey. For the teaser. Well, what else you got for me? That is Harvey. This is a good game, we should do this every week, throw lines at each other. Lit nothing and nobody. Well, that's Jessica.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, you can never go back. Well, we know Jessica. Yeah. Yeah. You can never go back. Well, we know who that is. How do we know that? Uh, because you just said it perfectly. I can't wait to get to that scene. All right, let's get into it.

That's me, that's me, that's me, that's me. Okay, well, okay, I thought you thought this was a fun game and now you're trying to end it. I thought you were gonna do some back to me. I'm just excited, I'm so into it. Okay, okay, okay, yes and? I wanna get to that scene. We open in Mike's apartment where Jenny is testing his memory and Trevor drops by, I'm just excited, I'm so into it. Okay, okay, okay, yes and? I wanna get to that scene.

We open in Mike's apartment where Jenny is testing his memory and Trevor drops by but Mike is able to keep him from seeing Jenny. Good Needle Drop, running with insanity by Alcoholic Faith Mission. Yep. You know them well. Yes, I named that band.

I named that band. The- Shirt's back, the shirt is back. Shirt's back. Can't escape the shirt. The shirt's back. Shaking my head a little bit. We all love the shirt. You shirts back Shaking my little bit She you know what she does she needs like a little cute backpack that she carries with her every day so she can have her things at

Mike's apartment because I don't understand why she doesn't have like a little jammies Not she'd have her own shirt by now for sure I feel like there would be a couple of things that she needed literally exactly the same shirt It's as if she has not left this apartment. I, I just wonder why she won't have a home game. Why she's always having an away game. It's something we'll have to unpack later. Especially when we get to see her apartment later, and it's pretty great.

We'll talk about it when we get there. It's gorgeous, why are we hanging out there? But I will say, in this scene, you notice how beautifully it's shot? Yes, yes, Kevin Bray is here. You can feel it. You can feel it. We come up off the bed,

we have that sun pouring through the window. Like it doesn't feel like a set. We feel it feels alive. It feels like I can hear Brooklyn outside. It feels very, it's handheld, which I want to talk a lot about in this episode because I think it's one of the things Kevin does. Knows when to use and he uses it perfectly.

And to start the scene with this sort of beautiful handheld shot coming off the bed and these two. I just think. Is it a bed or is it a couch? He's like. It's our bed. That's our bed. Okay. But there's like a headboard that he's coming up and over. Correct?

No, he's coming up the side of the bed. Her head is like at the end of the bed and we're coming up at the end of the bed. Well, it does seem like a really fun actual game. Also this little game we're playing in the bed, I remember this came out of a conversation with Aaron or many conversations with Aaron about how do we use his brain?

Like we're not doing any, like, you know, are we doing anything with it? Or is there a way to use it that's not just he saves the day with the case? Like what about something fun and interpersonal? And so that's, I seem to remember us having that conversation and then this happening in this episode. And I think it's kind of sweet.

It's great. It's that thing that I was saying I wished that I had seen with the Rachel character. Like some of that flirty, fun, joyful connection. For sure. Trevor and Mike talk in a park where Trevor asks to stay with Mike for a few days and tells him that he's turning over a new leaf.

And hey, he might even call Jenny. It's complicated seeing him again. We love to see Tom, we hate to see Trevor. Anyway, Harvey visits Clifford Danner in prison, and this is our case of the week, or weeks in this case. Harvey believes Clifford is innocent and he wants to represent him. And of course, this is the introduction

of Neil Brown Jr., who appears in three episodes and he's amazing. How lucky are we to have him on this? Incredible. Right away. Yeah. He's one of those actors. First of all just the nicest human being in the world, so happy to be there, very warm, very easy, very excited and then actions called and he's in it. He's there. I love actors like very warm, very easy, very excited, and then action's called and he's in it. He's there. I love actors like that, because you're just like, oh, I just have to listen.

You are taking me with you. Especially when you're a guest star, that's hard to do, because you feel like, oh, I'll just follow your guy's lead. He took full control. Oh my God. You know, those are great actors. Chai, who's also in this episode is one of those actors as well so we were blessed. Just somebody who's like uh just follow me I'll take

you where we need to go. Yeah. And he got he he understood the assignment immediately and I think it's pretty obvious watching the episode. And Gabriel brings an incredible groundedness to this um and what's going to be amazing is that you know right off the bat that this is a deep, grounded, amazing episode, but we're going to have a lot of light bits to go with it moving forward. It's a perfect balance. Okay, so we're into act one. At Pearson Hardman, we're getting more background on the Clifford Dinner case. In Jessica's office, we see Louis express concern over the case, and in Harvey's office, we see Harvey convince Mike why they will win.

We shuffle between Louis and Jessica in her office and Mike and Harvey in his office. So I felt like this was a pretty brilliant way to deal with some exposition that we need right here at the beginning of an episode to have four characters who all have completely different points of view about what's going on. For sure. Do we check the script on this too? Is it scripted where the cuts are? Because there's a lot of, Kevin does a lot of interesting editing.

This is scripted. It is scripted. Kevin's really good at knowing how to build a sequence together. And then he does this cutting that you're like, oh, it's not an exact match to like, we can go from somebody standing to somebody sitting in the other room, right? It's not completely in alignment. Yeah. Well, and he's not doing the same thing over and over again. We've had other scenes where it's like, whip, somebody says something, whip, somebody says something, whip, somebody says something.

And so you get ahead of it, I think as an audience member, you're like, okay, you've done it once. Now I know you're going to do it. And so I'm kind of bored immediately. Like I know what's going to happen. Kevin will do one thing, and then he'll cut between the scenes on somebody else sitting down and standing up. Like you never quite know where the cut's coming, so it keeps the tension up, I find.

I find it like- Oh, that's so cool. Yes, that is it. That is it. So Mike comes to Rachel to make peace after their fight last episode, and he needs her help. I thought this scene was a great example of being able to have both the light bit right in the middle of a very serious topic, which is something that I think we need to brace ourselves for the fact that we're going to lose that kind of element of suits as USA goes through a future kind of rebranding into like a darker sky situation

from the blue sky. Mr. Robot Sky. I loved this scene. What do you think of it? I love it. It's fun to see us having fun. I think that's more important than our little problems of two people. Hilla Beans. I'm not your dog. Casablanca. Oh, I've never seen that movie. You. No, it's old. Old, oh my God. Okay. Gone with the Wind?

No. Citizen Kane? No. Dirty Dancing? Nobody but me in the corner. I can't believe you. I'm helping you. Come on, let's go.

A lot of times these scenes drive me crazy when they solve a problem between two characters really quickly. You know, they built up this huge thing between Rachel and Mike, and she doesn't trust them, and, you know, we're done. And then all of a sudden, we just solve it in a scene. Like, as an actor, sometimes I'd be like, well, this is too easy.

You just made us get into this huge fight. And I would love more scenes for us to have to figure out how to, but then when I'm watching it, I'm like, no, this is wonderful. This is our show. Yeah, because of the stakes of getting somebody exonerated. Right? That's not about us anymore.

How petty would we be to be continuing our nonsense in the context of what's going on here in this first one? Do you have any memories of that comedy stuff, the hilla beans, the baby in the corner? I think some of that was improv, because I went back to look at the script, and it wasn't all in there like that. And I do remember having a conversation with Megan

after she shot this scene about how much fun you guys had had. Yeah, I think it was. Cause we don't get that often. That's a very Lewis Donna, Mike Harvey. We kept getting those moments where it's like, now play. You guys play and come up with something, but Mike and Rachel didn't get a lot of that.

So Mike brings Harvey the research and insists on joining Harvey in person for the hearing. Harvey and Mike present their research to the new district attorney, Terrence Wolfe. Wolfe, of course, played by Shy McBride, who comes back for one episode in season four. How did you feel being on set with him? He's terrifying.

Is he? Like, you know, not in a intentional, I just, I don't, this was a while ago, but I remember intimidated, and he wasn't much interested in not intimidating you. Oh, little bit of method. But in a mean way, but in a way that I think he knew was helpful to the scenes we had,

it wasn't like, let's all just be buddies. He's like, I'm gonna be a little scary. Oh, I love that. That was great, it was great. So that reminds me of a story that Anne Hathaway told me when we were on set for Devil Wears Prada. I was just there for one day. Oh, I forgot. God, I always forget that. Yeah.

Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Hold up. You were in Devil Wears Prada? I was cut out. No, you're in it. But I'm in the DVD and on the airplane and on cable. But what did you play? This is really big news for me. What's happening right now?

We talked about this, didn't we? How many, like, did you play? This is really big news for me. What's happening right now? We talked about this, didn't we? You, how many, like, did you have many lines? I had one scene, and I, if you've read the book, I was the amalgamation of all the characters that were like, Miranda Priestly, you work for Miranda Priestly, I'm so jealous. So I was somebody who worked at Calvin Klein, and she had to go pick up some skirts for Miranda.

And I remember, actually, the moment I had done the table read for that. And I think I've told you guys about being at the table read and how Meryl Streep came into the bathroom afterwards. And I was there with the casting director and Meryl Streep came in just knowing who she was to everybody in the kindest, most humble,

lovely, quirky way, put her arm around me, looked in the mirror at the casting director and was like, isn't she great? And like patted me on the back. Wow. And I'm still dining on that 30 years later, right? She gave me that gift. After the table read.

After the table read because I read everybody else's part who wasn't there. So not Emily Blunt, not Anne Hathaway. That's intimidating. That gets my, it was, I can't believe I was the person who did that. Yeah, that's nerve-racking. Oh, so what happened was I had done that table read

and then the director was kind enough to, after that, just offer me a one scene part. And I do remember when he called me. I was actually traveling with Santu. He was on a business trip and I was in Osaka and my phone rings and I pick it up and it's the director of the Devil Wears Prada. And he was like, I just wanted to tell you before and my phone rings and I pick it up and it's the director of the Devil Wears Prada and he was like,

I just wanted to tell you before the premiere next week, we had to cut your scene. It was the last thing to go, I swear to God, it was the last thing to be cut. We just needed to get to Meryl Streep faster. Sure. And yeah, you need to get to Meryl Streep right away. I need to get to Meryl Streep as fast as possible.

Yeah, exactly. So it was really, really, really a really sweet thing. What was interesting about it was that they did put my scene back in for kind of the outside of the theatrical release. What made you think of that story right now? So Anne Hathaway on set that day said that Meryl Streep was kind of doing the Shy McBride thing with you.

She was saying, we're not chatting. There's no warmth. There's just, we're not chatting. There's no warmth. There's just, we're just here for work. And she was clear that they were gonna carry that relationship through until the end of shooting. Which makes perfect sense. Does it? I think so.

I'm just interested in it. I think as long as it's understood, like I am not doing this to you. I just wanna protect this thing that we're building. Yeah. We can go get a coffee when we're done. In three weeks or two months or nine years of your own suits. But I don't want to. But that's a good point.

That's a sustainable model in a film or whatever, but it's not sustainable in television that you're going to be doing season after season. But when you're a guest star and you're like, I'm only here for the week. Yeah. And you're as insanely talented as Shai is, just do it. I consulted Bonnie's notebook about this because I was like, obviously this was an offer.

And she was like, it was. And I said, how did you get Erin to know that Shai was gonna be Terrence Wolfe? And she said that she showed him multiple reels. And what was interesting was that she showed him Neil McDonagh's and Michael Harny's. For this part. Yeah. But then they come back later.

They do. And so both Aaron and Bonnie have spoken to that, that you make that impression, they're gonna put you in later. Eventually. Right? They're gonna find something for you. So it's always, always worth it. Yeah, I wish we'd gotten more of Terrence Wolfe. He's a great character.

And just one little tiny thing that I have to say as fashion police, there are three very different suits and ties in this scene when you guys are just in a little triangle there, and they all work together. There's two blue suits, but they're different enough that they work together. The ties are all really chic and elevated

and they all work together. Nothing takes you out. Basically what Jolie has done, she is the unsung hero here because she's able to keep the show really visually interesting in terms of the wardrobe here. You're all your characters and it says a lot, but nothing is screaming out of the frame and grabbing attention, but everything works together

in a color palette. It's kind of amazing. She'll do it again later. He's also a tall guy. Yeah. He's a giant. He's so tall. Yeah, he's very tall.

It's towering over Gabriel in the scene. Anyway, Harvey then calls Donna into his office. He knows that she turned over evidence. Jessica interrupts to defend Donna. Things resolve, but Harvey is still angry. What do you remember about this scene? I remember this scene so well. Yeah, tell me.

I think this is where Donna got a lot of backbone. Like I honestly remembered when I watched it. I remember what it felt like to get up from my desk, walk into the room and then have him say his first line that turns me around. Like, you talking to me like that? Like, what is this tone in your voice? And it's funny because I know that I said the line, I don't care, twice. And we cut the beat out.

Like there were two times that she said, I don't care twice and we cut the beat out. Like there were two times that she said, I don't care and we cut the first beat out. So the second one is the more like, I don't care. Like I, she's righteous, right? She knows that she did the right thing. Wait and that got cut out or that's the one that stays? The second one stayed. Okay, got it.

That always bugs me, right? When you're like, but these beats go together, like you can't cut part of a beat, you know? You have no control. You don't know what ends up in the other. Exactly, you have absolutely no control over those things. But it's interesting because she says the, I don't care thing and then in comes Jessica.

So we find out that she doesn't care because she's righteously knows that she's doing the right thing and she's got the most important person on her side in doing it. And then when she leaves and says, you're welcome. I don't know, for some reason, that was so fun to say. Yeah, I bet it's delicious. Do you think, but Donna knew this was coming. There was no, like when he comes and says in my office, is it a surprise?

I mean, there was no world in which you, he gonna find out that you had gone behind, that you, that Donna had gone behind his back. No, and I think with his petulant tone or his like, his like, need to pull, attempt to pull rank in this moment just shows Donna being so much more emotionally intelligent than him. Because he's like, hey, we work because I trust you

because you're here and I'm here kind of thing. And she's like, no, please, I'm four steps ahead of you. And you're welcome, you'll see, I don't even need this. Like you can sit in here and pout, but this was right. And I think that's why the, your welcome was so delicious to me. So I guess this is where we've learned what's in that package, we talked about it last week, a bloody camisole.

Yes. The letter? I don't believe the letters in there. It's the evidence that was absolutely buried that has DNA evidence on it. Maybe the letter is too. I think the letter was inadmissible as well, originally, and there's bloody camisole.

It was hidden by Cameron Dennis, right? And what we find out in the scene with Terrence, somebody's delivered some evidence that's been hidden for a while, and Harvey's like, that's not me. And then he gets the idea right there in that scene, in that previous scene, and he knows it's Donna, and he goes after Donna.

So you're right. Like, she knew this was gonna happen. She's been holding on to that thing. I mean, she's done something illegal. She stole something from the ADA's office. She took it with her on exit, right? So that's why I literally can remember what it felt like to walk into that scene because I was like, this is a different lady. Like, she's just like, taking up space. Yeah. Also shout out to people just showing up in offices

at the exact moment that they need to. Yeah, we do a lot of that. God, we're good on suits at that. Just like right at the moment where if they had come a second later, they wouldn't have heard the line. They just show up right on that perfect line and they're right there.

And as if they've heard the whole conversation. Exactly. It was in this scene where I think something you've noticed too, the closeups. Yes. He stays in closeups, right? As soon as you guys get into that office, Kevin's in closeups. Tight on you, tight on Gabriel.

The performances can be really small and like subtle and nuanced and like this sort of heartbreak and betrayal that he's trying to experience and that you're experiencing in real time. If you cut to a wide there, we would have lost it. But Kevin stays in there tight, and then you've got Jessica arrives in a tight as well. She arrives in the tight. We don't see her like coming into like the full view. Yeah, and what's interesting is

when he's choosing also to be right in front of you, like it's a full, you can see both the eyes, and a lot of the mic stuff is even closer and it's from the side. So there's an intimacy with mic that I think is even different because of just the angle of your face. It's as if we're like right next to you,

like looking at you as if we were there. He loves me. Kevin Bray loves me. He does. And I'm gonna point out more places where he does. It's so obvious. It's really obvious. He has a big crush on you. Get over it, Kevin Bray. Oh my God.

["The Last Supper"] ["The Last Supper"] So then Mike and Jenny discuss Trevor at her apartment and they decide to tell Trevor about their relationship sometime in the future. Do you want me to re-say that because I've fucked it up so bad? I like to Trevolo.

Trevolo? Okay, so Mike and Jenny discuss Trevor at her apartment and they decide to tell Trevor about their relationship sometime in the future. But not now. Yeah, so forget what I said about home games. She has a huge apartment and I think she's just gotta have roommates in there.

It's so big. When you say forget about home games, what do you mean? Well I was saying like, why doesn't she have a home game? Why doesn't she get, hook up with you at her home? Oh, home game like you're speaking sports talk. Home game, come play at my stadium. You know sports, you don't mean my sports. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.

Like she's not doing the hosting. But then when I see that apartment, it is so big. She's gotta have like six roommates and they gotta put up some fake walls that don't go all the way to the ceiling. Or she has I see that apartment, it is so big, she's gotta have like six roommates and they gotta put up some fake walls that don't go all the way to the ceiling. Or she has some job that's paying her. There's an angle though where you can see her bed. Like it's a studio, not a place with rooms,

with bedrooms. Oh, you can see the bed in the back. So I don't know that she has roommates and like what? I think she just has a really dope apartment. But she has a drafting table, so she's an artist of some kind, right? It's right there. Good job, Jenny. We should be there more often.

I'll tell you why we're not there, because we don't actually own that set and it's a real apartment. So that's why we're hanging out at Mike's apartment. So in court, the DA throws a curve ball at Harvey's case. While Harvey tries to prove Clifford's innocence, the DA will pursue life in prison if Clifford is found guilty. Harvey and Mike discuss options prove Clifford's innocence, the DA will pursue life in prison if Clifford is found guilty.

Harvey and Mike discuss options with Clifford and Mike opens up to Clifford on why to trust Harvey. Do you practice those before we get here? No. Practice those? Because I can't see them very well, I guess I have to figure that out. We need to talk to your optometrist.

No, it's the light. It's the little flares. Sh** off. Okay, so Mike's magic math brain is here. I know that you felt like it was going away. It's there for a second because you understand the halfway point. Perfect example of like exactly

what I would have wanted as an actor. Where it's like, it's not about me saying anything. It's just a cool, beautiful moment of like, oh, he sees things before other people see them because his brain can do that kind of weird math. I loved that. Such a nice detail. It's linked to his empathy, which is really important

because Mike is gonna tell Clifford his secret. So we gotta add Clifford to the list of people who know. That's true. Which I did not remember until it happened here. I love it. And Kevin's so close on your face. Yeah, it's very tight. It's a little too tight for my... Really? I feel like if I was sitting there I could feel your breath on my cheek. And also I feel like it tells us that we are Mike in some way. Like this is how we are seeing this. Yeah, identification. Like from your point of view, we are you.

Mm-hmm. Do you think that lasts the whole show? I do. I'm finding this whole season, I've had so many points where I feel like I know that I'm following Mike's journey on it. Even when you talk about that scene that we've already talked about

that introduces Shy's character, you're like a couple steps behind, right? And we're you. Like there's something about the framing of it is that we just sort of have Mike's point of view on it. I don't know what I'm saying. I think I agree. I think this season I feel it

and I think it'll be interesting as we continue because I think it stops being that. In some ways that always happens you start growing the ensemble and everybody starts getting their thing but I felt like the point of view of the show shifted and I remember you know and this is ripe emotional material for me because that's where I started to feel like we had talked about it before with the the Beautiful Mind stuff, like, oh, did I not do that right? Like, could I do more?

Why is that going away? But the big thing was the point of view thing where I sort of felt like, oh, it felt like, not that I was the lead of this show, Gabriel's number one on the call sheet, rightfully so, but I felt like the point of view of the show was like Mike's world, Mike entering into this world. And I felt like most of this season hung out there,

but I think it's about to change. And I think that was hard. I didn't know how to process that. Yeah. Yeah. So my therapist will be joining us for all 16 episodes next season. I haven't told you that. And then we're back at the hearing,

Harvey shares that they will be proceeding to trial. What I love about this whole sequence is what I was talking about before, which is it is handheld in the room with us. I don't know that in the little room with the guys, and then once we're in the courtroom, I think it's back on sticks again, which is appropriate. You're informal, you're tight, you're in the mess of it.

These people don't know what they're doing. You pop back into the courtroom, now is formality time. Like now we have to game plan it, which is a great, it's a tiny little piece with Harvey just saying like, no, we're not taking the deal. We're going, we're proceeding to trial. I think that's a perfect example of Kevin knowing, like knowing here, we wanna be messy.

Out there, we're formal, we're suits. Oh, that's really interesting. So we're in tact two, and Jessica informs Harvey that the Danner case is hurting the firm and tells him to forgive Donna. Donna and Harvey do their thing. Here we go, guys, we've arrived. We have arrived.

Oh my god. I think we have to pull it up. We need to have this. We're gonna do a deep dive of this can opener scene. I just wanna say as we're pulling it up, I totally remember Kevin setting up this shot. I remember walking onto set and Kevin had a different energy.

He had, look at me, stay with me, stay with me here. He had this like, he owned the set. He wasn't using a lot of words. He was like, oh, you're here? Come on, stand right here. I've got this set up for you. And I remember he like tapped the top of the file and I kind of walked in like, I'm facing a funny direction.

Okay, this is cool. I've never used the back wall of my cubicle. He's like, you're gonna sit here and he's gonna come in and you're gonna go and we're gonna go. And he just started, he just was like, you're going to sit here and, and he's going to come in and you're going to go and we're going to go. And he just started, he just was like, had this energy where he didn't use a lot of words. It was like, again, a conjuring. And do you have memories of like Kevin just saying

things to you, like just looking at something and then he just uses his thumb to point you a little this way, a little that way. He steps in there, he kind of moves it around and then he just says,, and it happens. Yeah. So let's take a look. ["The Last Supper"]

Stunning, first of all, oh my God. Hey. Hey. We're starting trial today. I know, you've got five minutes. Never start a trial without doing our thing. Well, you don't have time. There's plenty of time.

You don't have time. There's plenty of time. You don't have time. I'm sorry. For what? Don't push it. Okay, let's go. We got three minutes. Okay. Here or my office?

Here's good. Okay, on three. One, two... Wait, let's go in your office. I'll get the can opener. And scene. All right. It's so quick. That was a winner. Yeah. That was a Kevinbury winner your office. I'll get the can opener. And scene, all right. It's so quick. That was a winner.

Yeah. That was a Kevinbury winner. Yeah. I literally remember the lens. I remember where the lens was when I had to do that. I remember everything about standing there. So crazy to me. Well, you have good instincts, so you probably knew whatever happened

was an iconic moment. I didn't know that. I mean, I don't think we can know that. I just knew, I knew exactly, I don't have eyes in the back of my head, but there was just something that Kevin was doing, I swear to God. He's like a warlock, a wizard. He's like, I could feel when it was time for Donna

to know that Harvey was there. I knew without looking that he was sitting there. I knew just like the timing of it, but it was just because of a vibe that Kevin gave. I swear to God. Again, it's confidence, I think. Like at this point, we know Kevin, we love Kevin, we'll do whatever Kevin wants.

We trust him, right? So we get to come onto set and he's like, yo, just trust me, sit there. He's gonna come in, you're gonna do that. Everyone go away, hair go away. Everybody, good, good trust me, sit there. Yeah. He's going to come in, you're going to do that. Everyone go away, hair go away. Everybody good? Good, we're going to shoot. Other directors who are coming in are like, are you OK?

Are you cool? No, we can try it that way. We can try that way because they want to please everybody a different way, which is fine. But Kevin, I think by this point, he was like, I know what I want. Let's do it this way. And I think Kevin, a lot of times, is directing from the right side of his brain, right? He was like, I know what I want. Let's do it this way.

And I think Kevin a lot of times is directing from the right side of his brain, right? Like the more creative side of his brain. So there's not a lot of talking about it, figuring it out, explaining. You don't hop over into the left side of your brain. He's just like, come on in, we're gonna go and action. And you're just in that discovery, find it,

use other senses rather than analysis to do it. And I think what's fun about watching it for me now, because of course I had totally forgotten that the can opener was in the finale of season one, I did not know that. I didn't know either. And I knew it was like their pre-trial ritual because of what I remember of what comes up later when we dig into it a little bit more in the series. But this is also like a little forgiveness jig that they're doing.

Like, I love that that's how they get back. Yeah. Yeah. From that weird, you're here, I'm here, you're welcome moment. Well, again, like that Mike Rachel scene, like we have this big moment, but our show's so good at being like, yeah, don't worry about it, because they have history and they love each other. And we're going to have a really cute, but our show's so good at being like, yeah, don't worry about it. Because they have history and they love each other and we're gonna have a really cute, fun transitional scene. And you're gonna be gut over it. And also I'm standing and he comes in and he takes my chair.

And that's the first time that- And he's lower than you. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So you're high up, he's low, he looks like a little boy. You've got all the power, you're in the forefront. And then you switch and now you're even in the forefront, and then you switch, and now you're even, and you're playful,

and then you're gone. It did, but you know what it has? It has kind of like marriage vibes because of the way she says you don't have time the second time. Now explain that to me. I have so many questions about this scene. What is that?

What is that reading? To me, that seems like it's part of the inside joke. Like, I don't understand that reading of the line. In a great way, I'm like, huh? Like, there's obviously, we have no idea what the thing is. Right, right, right. But before we even get there. Is the second read of the word line

reflective of whatever the thing is? Are you already leading into it? No, so this is the same thing that I said in the scene before. When I said that I had to say the line two times, right? So something has changed. Like she's saying something different, like I don't care. I don't care, right? Like you're not getting me.

And here it happens, and they didn't cut it because it's a oner, so they couldn't, you don't have time. And then he's like, we have plenty of time or whatever. And she's like, you don't have time. Like you've got to do something else. You're missing the point, Dum Dum. You need to apologize first.

Got it. It's not about time. Got it. It's like, do I have to like think for you? Do I have to do all the emotional labor here? Got it. So then he gives you what you want. You don't have time. Right.

There's also a funny read to it that it's already like that time is somehow a key word to whatever weird ritual you're about to have. Oh. It's not clearly not intentional, but it's sort of fun in that you say it so emphatically and with such a like, are you hearing what I'm saying ish to it? What you're saying is clearly how it was intended, but I love that there's a color of like things are getting weird all of a sudden and then they're about to get really weird. Do you know? Like the beginning of the weirdest time and then

you guys get up to do this thing. Whatever the thing is, you can do it in public, right? You can do it in public. You're about to do this thing. Whatever the thing is, you can do it in public, right? You can do it in public. You're about to do it in front of the whole office. And you can do it without the can opener. So the can opener is a non-essential component of whatever is about to happen. One, two, three, wait, no. Let's actually do it in the office. Yeah, Donna wants it to be private. Which is fine, but it didn't need to be. But who is she protecting?

Him or her? Who knows? Good question. Now let's get into the office. Oh, and I'll bring the can opener, which is just an extra thing. It's not essential. Whatever their thing is that they do,

doesn't involve a can opener. A can doesn't have to, but I guess the can opener makes it really special, which makes it even weirder. If the can opener had been essential, somehow it makes more sense to me. The fact that it's like icing on the cake, even weirder to me. I think they didn't have time necessarily. I think I'm remembering now that you say this, the time thing is also like we don't have time to go in the drawer and get the box and pull out the thing. Like we're not even in the right spot to do it.

Like you don't have time. Okay, questions, nothing but questions. Where would you normally do it? Where are Harvey and Donna normally doing it? Privately, I think it's always private. In his office? Not particularly private, glass doors. So would you do it somewhere more private than his office?

I'm stumped. I don't know. I mean, we obviously don't have the answers. See, the beauty is all the questions and all the questions. What I think of it is that it's their thing that it's just their thing where they both get to be the dorkiest version of themselves.

Silly. Like Harvey gets to be not Harvey Specter for the five minutes before he goes to trial for this good luck ritual, right? Like there's something really stupid that they do. We find out later the genesis of it. So I'm not going to talk about it too much because we see it in another season, the time when they think of the canopener in a flashback.

So it's just the thing that's only for them. It's only for them. I love that. So that's why she says, wait, let's do, let's go in your office. Because he's, I think, cause he's about to do something really goofy that like you're not Harvey Spector anymore if anybody sees you do this.

Yeah, but he could have, he was about to do it. I know, I know. So it can't be that goofy. But he wasn't thinking, so maybe she's protecting him. It can't be that crazy. I love it. I love, you know what I want? Because you fans, all you ask us is what is,

the can opener is, you tell us, I want all the fan fans, all you ask us is what the can opener is. You tell us. I want all the fan theories. Let's do a whole episode. And I don't want something casual. I want in detail what was about to occur after three, two, one, and then needs a can opener to fully facilitate it. I want answers from you.

I think we need to have a competition for the best fan answer to that question. And you know, this was so, thank God Kevin directed this scene, because again, we didn't talk about it. We didn't figure it out. We didn't talk about what makes sense. There was just a like, okay, go, just believe it.

Just, it's a truth and just do it without knowing. And we could over talk scenes on Suits. So Rachel brings Mike his phone, and he thanks her for her help, and she sees Jenny calling, and she walks away. Jenny calls you, and she says that she wants to have a pre-trial ritual with Mike, and now I understand when we were in New York City

why, when we were playing a game about the can opener, you called it Harvey and Donna's sex toy. And I knew what you were talking about, but I had never thought of it that way until you said it. It had never occurred to you that whatever was going on with your can opener had a sexual connotation? When it came up in the table read, I was like, this isn't so—and they were like, no, no, no, no, no. And then it went away. Got it. Got it. I was a young man. What was I, 29? Everything was sexual. That's fair. and I applaud that.

And you've gotta live your truth. But now I understand why you said sex toy because Mike's pre-trial ritual was the one that was sexy. Donna and Harvey's was the one that was silly. I mean, look, I totally forgot that this was like a double joke that Harvey and Donna were having their pre-trial thing and then Mike was gonna have his. I didn't even remember that at all. And I laughed out loud when you're like, oh yeah, I can get behind that. Again, questions. What are they

gonna do? She's talking about a video. A gymnastics video. So what are they gonna do on the phone? I don't know. What do people do on the phone? This is before you could share videos on phones. I think people did stuff with just voices, don't you? But she, yeah, but I said on the phone. Like when I say I go on the phone, I'm like, oh, okay, it's a phone sex thing. But then she's like, remember the gymnastics video? That's a visual thing. What could we do on the phone that relates to a gymnastics video?

You know what's interesting is the division of generations. Like sex on the phone used to be just audio. And now I guess there's some video components to it. Different pod. A pod I wanna be on, desperately. But at this time, this time, there was no video component. Just to wrap this up, we both have pre-trial rituals. Oh, and then, okay, so then Mike meets up with Harvey,

Mike sees the can opener, original scripted line, Mike says, hey, what's that can opener for? But in this, hey, I saw the can opener, which, weirder. So now we know that Mike knows about the can opener thing. I remember you guys changing that on set, because I was in Harvey's office coming out and always trying to time it so I could just barely reach him.

But I remember changing it to like, oh, I saw the can opener. And I was like, well, he couldn't have. Like really? And not that I said that out loud, but I just thought that's really interesting that Kevin wants to change it in that way. So Kevin put a hat on a hat.

Kevin definitely made the can opener a thing. It wasn't in the script as that much of a thing. Have Mike put an exclamation point on it. Having me already know about it makes it even more- No, not already know about it, you saw it. And you were like, what's that about? No, no, that's the original line. The original line is, what is that about?

Yeah, what's the can opener for? What happens in there is I go, I saw it by the way. Meaning like, I've seen it before. Oh no, I thought just meaning like, I saw that can opener, like what's going on? Oh, that's not how I read. Should we hear it? Yeah, play it.

To me it's very much, and I'm pretty sure I played it this way with the intention of like, you just tried to hide it from me, but I saw it. Yeah, but not that you know what it is. Oh, see, but that's what the original line is, and I didn't play that. It's a bit of a smirk. Feeling good? Never better. You?

Ready to roll. Don't think I didn't see that can opener. To me, and you tell me, to me that line, the survey says Mike already knows about the can opener. He'd already like known it. And he's like, you just tried to hide it from me. I think he's like, you just tried to hide it from me. I think he's like, you just tried to hide a can opener from me.

What's going on? I think that would have played better in, what the hell's a can opener? Why do you have a can opener? Okay. Do you know what I mean? Like, to me, the walking away confidently, like I know you just tried to hide it from me.

I think this is what I remember about playing the scene. What you're saying actually makes more sense to me and it's the original line. And he didn't want me to play that. He wanted me to play like, you know it. Oh, okay. I didn't read it that way. Okay.

Do you guys see what I'm talking about? I did and I also got a, Mike has an opinion about the can opener. Mm. Yeah. It's my vibe. Mike, it is already been the thing that's been discussed. Well, or it's been observed maybe. Exactly.

Because they have a ritual. And he's denied it, exactly. And you've seen it, and now you're bringing it up. I've observed it, he denied it, and I went, okay, like we've already had this conversation, it's already happened, I know about it, and now this time it's like, I get, you just tried to hide it from me,

I know you just did the thing. But I already know about it. We've actually already had off camera the conversation about the can opener, which makes it weirder. Because now it's a thing I know about, and yet you're also hiding it. So there's something a bit shameful about it.

There's definitely shame. But it's not sexual. No, I think it's dork. Again, fans, you need to calculate all of this. You need to put all of- Maybe it's sexy. Maybe? I don't think it's dork. Again, fans, you need to calculate all of this. You need to put all of... Maybe it's sexy. Maybe? I don't think it needs to be.

I think it's probably wrong for it to be, but I think somebody needs to put all the pieces together who's smarter than me and come up with a theory. And we'll send you a can opener. I'll send you more than that. Harvey suspects they murdered the victim Jill and believes that they will lie on the stand. And then once the trial begins, Harvey learns that his evidence may be inadmissible because of the chain of possession. Uh-oh.

Wee. Now we're in cat three. Things are getting spicy. Yeah. Do you remember, was it around this time, remember the serial podcast? Of course. The first one, this, not dissimilar.

No, but this was before that. No, I know. Yeah. Yeah, but not not dissimilar. No, but this was before that. No, I know. Yeah. Yeah. But not a dissimilar, I mean, obviously dissimilar in many of the details, but just wrongful, you know, accusations, someone going to prison, murder of young girl, school. Yeah, it's a very, very interesting topic that

perhaps we'll dive into more. When I was looking at it, I thought, I thought, oh, maybe we took this from that and then noticed it was like three years earlier. I actually asked Aaron if this had by any chance been ripped from the headlines, and he said he made the whole thing up. So it's kind of interesting when we look at some of the things that were happening in real life, which we can talk about it at another time. So then we've got Detective Paco played by Ari Cohen, who confronts Harvey and tells him to back off his case. Oh man, I struggle with these scenes.

That one in the hallway? Yeah. When they bump into each other? I got some quibbles, yeah, a quibble, quabble. He's great, Ari's great. He is great. Is he from New York? Is he doing like a New York accent?

It feels like very New York. Yeah, I mean, it feels that way, yeah, and he's doing a great job. Yeah. Can we just talk about like, just so I can get this right, Harvey did do all this. Like he genuinely knew about the camisole with the blood on it, right?

Or is that Cameron did that and didn't tell him at all? That was what happened at the end of the last episode. We knew he had never seen it. So he's seeing it for the first time now. And now he can do, right, okay, okay, sorry, good. Thank you. So Harvey and Mike trick Jason and Matt into meeting at a bar.

Jason and Matt quickly leave, but Harvey and Mike get what they want, the duo's DNA. And now I'm super confused about how DNA evidence can actually be legally submitted. The Dina evidence. The dinner evidence. The dinner. Yeah, this is- It's a question to be reckoned with.

Well, you know, this is where, what would Erin say? Oh, come on, give me a break. You don't wanna know, you wanna wanna know. Give me a break. We're just having fun. This is the legal stuff, come on. And we're intact for. And then we're intact for, but for, yeah, then we're in tact four. And then we're in tact four. But for, uh, yeah, then we're in tact four.

OK? Wait, wait, wait. Guess what Donna needs? I think she needs a favor from Louis. And boy, are we going to get one of the best scenes of the season. OK. I remember this so well.

Again, another scene that I didn't remember was in this exact episode. So at the top of the scene, Bray told me to take the tickets. I walked into that room, he was holding the tickets out. So he had clearly been in there for a few minutes, figuring out where they were gonna be for the blocking. And he told me to put him in my shirt,

but I'm wearing this, like, high-necked thing. And... it was a little bit awkward because Kevin's a little bit awkward cause Kevin's a little bit shorter than me. So we were sort of delicately rooting around to figure out how I could do that first move. And then we decided to drop it

because it was getting too intimate. Like he was too, it wasn't appropriate for him to be trying to figure it out, right? It was just funny. It was kind of funny. And then- But you didn't drop the idea that obviously they were gonna come out of your shirt.

Cause we were trying to do it out of the neck. And then what I realized was that there was like this perfect split in the fabric. So I could tuck it in there to whip those out to be kind of a dirty move to arouse Lewis. And I remember thinking that that was risky for the scene cause that was the first beat. And I literally had no idea how far we were gonna push the limits

on that kind of raunchy comedy going into this scene. I mean, at one point in the scene, I actually wipe my hand off... on my skirt, mildly disgusted, after Lewis has basically, like, had relations or some sort of crisis, with my hand, while we're in the middle of an episode where we are talking about burying DNA evidence.

I mean, the pendulum swing from the comedy to the seriousness in this episode is so far, and this is a really good example of that because they let us spend so much time on the scene. I mean, they just like let the cameras run and we improv'd. And I think there's gag reel of me just with like tears coming down my face because Rick was holding onto my hand in such a way that I was completely shaking. The sex, the sexual part of it's really interesting

because you come in, it's like dripping sex. This whole scene has it, but it's weird because you're not trying to, what's the word I'm looking for? You're not, you're not trying to woo him sexually. You're trying to woo, because that wouldn't work. I'm trying to manipulate You're not trying to woo him sexually. You're trying to woo, cause that wouldn't work. He doesn't want you sexually, right? I say, I will fill in for Norma.

Yeah, he wants you as his secretary, but you're playing sexy. Right, that's, it's the fact that you know that that's the sexiest thing that could ever happen. That and the Baryshnikov dinner. He's like, I want you, I want you right now. I want you in that chair.

Like, that's the sexy part. You being out in front of his office and then these tickets to Baryshnikov, that's like the hottest thing he could imagine. But you have to play it sexy, which you do. Like you come in, it's the sexiest thing in the world. It's so, it's the perfect, what you said, like taking that much time to find that.

But when you came in and heard about this stuff with the tickets, did that change your like, oh, I'm walking into this whole room with sex? Or like, there's a sexual element to it? Did you know that already? It was that Kevin permission, right? That permission that still, that he's not spending a lot of words on. He's just like, yeah, in there and you're going to go like this.

And then he like split the ticket apart like legs. But my point being is like, you come on set that day. Did you have any intention of the sexuality of the scene? I think I had the like, I'll fill in for normal. Like you had, I had the words. Cause there's such a cockettish, like, thing going on when you walk in. But it's a short scene.

Like, we don't have that whole thing. Like, that whole thing at the desk. I mean, I had the like, I'm going to come in here and I'm going to be really sweet and I'm going to try, like, any way to ingratiate myself with him. And then I'm going to have the tickets if that doesn't work. And I'm going to push them towards him in some way. I mean, I don't think I'm gonna have the tickets if that doesn't work and I'm gonna I'm gonna push them towards him in some way I mean I don't think I even decided on the pushing them across the desk and teasing him with it I'm not

sure maybe I had but then he then Rick grabs the bait and it goes off the rails in a way that nobody could have imagined can Can we, do we have any of it? I just need to watch it with you. And because mom and dad were there, right? Because Aaron and Kevin were there, we got to take the time. Hi, Donna. Hi, Louis. You're never, why?

I need a favor. You mean Harvey needs a favor? It's very astute of you. A big one. Pause, can we pause for a second? Can we just take in how he's reading a book? I mean, it is that he has, that is the weirdest way to read a book and it is so perfect for Louis. It's just like Rick has no- It's an example of when you're working with Rick and you're like, hey, so, I don't know, maybe you're reading a book or whatever. And you, so

you imagine like someone will just sit and read the book and he'll do that. Yeah. And you'll be like, And you so you imagine like someone will just sit and read the book and he'll do that. Yeah, you'll be like, whoa Right, that's really Rick. What are you? What are you? And then you're like, oh, right. That's what you're a genius And I'm just gonna step away because Because no one on earth will read a book Hunched over on the edge of their desk with their fingers like going down But it sets him up perfectly because he's already in this sort of like weird energy if he was sitting Confidently behind his desk this scene would make less sense. Yeah. She's definitely coming in there play acting like from the top like somebody she's not.

Yeah, and but and then he's gonna turn the tides right here I think. But the sexy is right there from the beginning It's amazing. Let's continue to watch this. I'm sorry, do I have the right office? Listen to me. I want you, god damn it. And I will throw that secretary right out the window if I knew you were going to be my secretary. But I have a reputation that I value. And I'm not going to be putting my reputation on the line for something that I do not believe in. American Ballet Theater? No. Followed by a one-on-one dinner with Baryshnikov. Oh, Mommy. This is not the script. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Nope, I'm sorry. Okay. Can't do it. Got it. Okay? Do you understand why? It's very clear to me. No, no, because do you understand why I said no?

I hear you, Louis. Louis. I want to, but I can't. Shh. What? Let go. What? Let go. Jessica would like to see you in her office.

Perfection. I mean, I feel like we could teach a class on the scene, but I think you're putting it perfectly like when everybody's there. You have mom and dad on set. You guys have been doing this all season. It's fun that we found in this season, that scene was between you two, that first one where we went, whoa, this is the show.

When you said it got into gear, when she says my soul hurts now and he runs away. The two of you together, it's just like so funny. And it's fun to revisit that one last time before we leave the season. And that, when I called Aaron about that scene, which I think they plugged into episode four or whatever, during the Dolls episode. Yeah.

He said, if we hadn't come in, um, under time and didn't need to write that scene in and put it in, we would have never had the scene in the finale. This one. Which was about the tickets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. That's that scene. Jessica tells Lewis he has to call his cousin. Lewis asks to be made senior partner, but Jessica doesn't respond to threats. She makes them. Lewis chooses to help. Yeah, this like one-two punch.

I mean, he steals like the whole episode. Just in two of, like two scenes. You two are brilliant together, and then he walks into this and he's real hot, which is fun, like it's like, I deserve, and so he goes serious, it's like a serious scene. He's like, I deserve to be seen your partner, I'm not gonna be pushed around.

And then she just comes right back at him. I don't respond to the threats. I don't respond to the threats I make them, you're gonna do this thing and you're gonna do it now. And he goes, fine. Yeah. And he folds like a house of cards. And that's kind of it for Rick in this episode, right?

Like we don't see him again. Knock it out of the park. Exactly. I just wanna point out that obviously Jessica and Donna had a little deal, like before she went. They like worked it out, that Donna was gonna attempt the tickets and then she was gonna say, if it doesn't work, you just need to be ready

in your office, because he'll come straight to you, I'll send him to you, then immediately, if he doesn't go for it. And obviously Jessica was like, yup, I'll be here waiting. Like the two of them conspired. I think that's funny to imagine their off-camera relationship.

It almost seems like they almost knew that he wouldn't take it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So she's got to have her fun. It seems like you're enjoying the fact that you get to just do this for fun. You get to make him this uncomfortable just for pure pleasure and then send him to the person who's going to seal the deal. Because Jessica could have just walked in here and be like, do it.

But you were like, give me this. I got an idea. Yeah, just give me one. I just want to do. But you were like, give me this, I got an idea. I just want to do one thing first. Yeah, I got to play a little. Yeah. So Mike gives Rachel an update on the case, and Rachel's comments convince Mike that he needs to talk to Trevor. Mike wants to tell the truth about Jenny.

Can't do this, I can't do this. I just don't like scenes where it's like, God, somebody says something about, what is it? Like, God, if only they'd been honest about their relationship. And then someone goes, yeah, hold on, I gotta make a phone call. It's just like, I can't do it.

I don't know what to do, I just can't do it. Can't do it. That's fair, that's fair. Harvey brings the DNA results to Wolf, but he won't budge and Harvey and Mike need a new plan. Then Donna and Rachel catch up in the kitchen and Donna guesses what's upsetting Rachel and then suggests they have a drink. I didn't realize this is where the first I'm Donna I know line is.

It's a major episode. Sorry. But it's like so many things are happening in this episode where I'm like, oh, this is from this episode? Right. And this and this and the two of you together for the first time? Really? Right. We haven't. Have we? You've never had a scene like this together, I don't think. No, this solidifies that they have had a whole relationship off camera. We talked about that actually, early on where I was like, I feel like Donna would be more upset about the Rachel thing, but that's only because we figured it out after this.

This gives us the backstory that those two are buds. Right? Well, is there anything in this scene that says you've done this before? Like hung out? Yeah. Oh, I feel like, I feel like just saying, oh, coming in and saying you look like you need to go out for drinks. We should get a bunch of drinks.

I always read it. Again, you're the one in the scenes who were playing it. It always felt to me like it was the first time you were asking her to do that. Like that you guys had actually never done it before. But maybe I'm wrong. Well, Donna comes in like cracking some jokes about like Cheetos and being like blah, blah, blah, blah.

Like playing her little game. Like she had played a game with Lewis in the previous scene. But she's not getting any response out of her. So it seems like she then switches and goes, okay, wow, my humor isn't working on you. What's up? What are you bummed about?

She doesn't reveal it. And she says, let me guess, Mike Ross. She's like, how do you know that? So I feel like they've definitely had to spend a lot of time together for Donna to have a schtick with her. That's so interesting. I read it totally different, but you guys, I'm sure talked about that when you did the scene.

And you know what I'm excited about when I look at the scene? What? On Megan's coverage, she was shot first, and I remember purposely trying to make her laugh by just riffing at the end of the scene. On Megan's coverage, she was shot first. And I remember purposely trying to make her laugh by just riffing at the end of the scene. And so she cracks up. It didn't have that in it. Right. That laugh at the end. Yeah. And then so they had- Your comedic genius.

I made her laugh. I was really happy they kept it. Yeah. It is very like Megan laugh. It's a very organic- So charming. Yeah. It's a very organic girl. So charming. Yeah. So then at the prison, Harvey goads Clifford into punching him to buy them some more time. Cool scene, top five Harvey moments. This is the scene, this is the scene.

This is the scene that Neil gets the Rick deserved an Emmy award. Oh, interesting. The Neil deserves the Rick Emmy award. Yes. I mean, are there gorgeous stills of this scene? Did you notice the color palette was all worked together in this scene?

Did you notice that? Like it's all blues and grays. They're very blue. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's so cinematic. It's so good. It's so memorable.

Yeah, I remember. I don't remember. I remember the feeling of this scene. I remember, you know, we don't have violence in our show. Is this the first time someone's getting punched? So I remember't remember, I remember the feeling of this scene. I remember, you know, we don't have violence in our show. Is this the first time someone's getting punched? So I remember being like, whoa, someone's getting hit. And Gabriel, who's been, you know, the spirit, he's been a superhero, he's done action stuff.

It was kind of fun to watch him getting into a little action mode. Like, tiny version of it, but you could see. It was so believable. The muscles start moving, like, okay, it, but you could see. It was so believable. The muscles start moving, like, okay, this is how you're gonna punch me, and I hadn't done that before, so I was like, okay, cool, here we go.

It's a great scene, it's great. And just for the character, it's such a, it's a cool moment. I don't know what he's gonna do. I don't fully understand what's happening. I don't know why he's doing this. So don't fully understand what's happening. I don't know why he's doing this. So I love that. I love when Harvey can surprise us.

But then what I love is that then Mike surprises us because Harvey tells Mike that he wants to beat the shit out of Jason or Matt to get a confession. And then Mike convinces Harvey to wait because he has the idea. So Harvey has the idea in that scene to get punched so they can buy four more days, right? Which he learned from the very first scene.

48 hours. Because then they have 48 hours because that's what he learned in the very first scene with Neil's character. But now Mike is gonna make the idea better. One, two, punch. Yeah, it's great. Like they are Batman and Robin.

It's kind of funny that Harvey goes from having a brilliant idea of like, I'm gonna punch this guy in the scene to get 48 hours to, I'm just going to go beat the crap out of one of these witnesses. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no. What you just did was smart. That's not smart. Let's not do that. So then we have to wait a sec to find out what exactly Mike's idea is. And we wait by going to hang out with Donna and Rachel

as they have some drinks in Harvey's office. Rachel asks if Donna and Harvey ever, but Donna says no. And Rachel makes a call to Mike. This is the, you can never go back scene. And again, this was a scene that was just entirely conjured by Kevin. Kevin was standing in there when we walked in, it was beautifully lit for night.

He had music on. He was standing behind Harvey's desk with the chair out, and he was like, Sarah, you are going to be here. Feet up on the table. I was like, what? Then he puts the record in my hand. I might have put my feet up on my own, And I was like, what? And then he puts the record in my hand. I might've put my feet up on my own. I can't totally remember,

but like he just had it ready. You know, he saw it and we were just, his puppets worked into it. It's a vibe with the scene. Heartaches and pain by Charles Bradley. That's like the third Charles Bradley song. We had one last week, right? Yeah, there's quite a few.

It's that Suits sound. Well, it's the Harvey's, it's very specific. It's the Harvey's office as the sun's going down or has gone down vibe. Just like, you only exist in his office. There's a lot of crazy stuff in this scene beyond, the most important part is this moment. I love Rachel's wordless question.

It's great. We don't get a lot of wordless in suits. Erin does not. Erin likes to write the words, he's a writer. It's great that she just does it with a look and a long look between the two of you. But there's some, and you're, we can't go back, that's the first time we've ever,

in your reading of that line, that makes me go, oh, there was a moment. Something has happened. There have been moments. Not that I should be surprised you guys are so close, but like, now I can see it. Now I can see the choice that was made by you. Yes, the choice. Like, there's a choice going on. Do you think that there was something that happened and then a choice was made or a choice was made in front of the thing happening? What I get is you're smart enough that there are feelings in there and you will never let

them happen. That's what I saw. But we've like you have not the whole season you've not let us have that. That's right. Right. Which again, we talked about like you could have there could have been a longing look. There could have been a lingering something. You never gave it to us until this scene. Well, also, but speaking of Rachel and Donna's relationship,

they have a shorthand where Rachel just in a look says, did you... And Donna looks at her and just says, no, I know you're going to say that and no. Like they're sort of at a place in their relationship where they haven't talked about that, but they talk about things, right? They're very close, obviously, that they can... That Donna knows what Rachel's getting to. That was not obvious, man. And that she has a vulnerable...

The closeness. Not leading up to now, but I think that because we had these two scenes, I'm like, oh, they hang out. I mean, they hang out. They do this. They have Harvey Scotch. Like I said, my read of the scene was that it was the first time you were doing it. Oh, this one right here? Yeah, that you had never done this before. I thought this was the first time you were doing it. Oh, this one right here? Yeah, that you had never done this before. I thought this was the first time your

characters were hanging out like this. That this was, that we were witnessing the like first time you welcomed her into the office because she's asking all these questions that indicate she had never hung out in the office before. Yeah. Okay. I mean, that can, that can work too. And that can be why when she says, because you can never go back, she decides,

I want to leave the room. Like I just, she decides, I want to leave the room. Like, I just shared something that makes me want to leave the room before this goes any further. Totally. Yeah. And I assume if you'd hung out a bunch of times, she would have asked you that question before. Right.

That's a good point. I assume that would have come up pretty early. Yeah. And it's obviously something that Donna hasn't fully, you know, that sometimes has her doubts about that choice that she made. I think she made the right choice for sure. You improv'd, I gotta pee.

I did, I did. Just cause you needed, you wanted to give yourself a reason to get out of there? I wanted to give, I wanted, I remember choosing to say that because I wanted Donna to need to leave. And she needed to leave emotionally. She didn't have to pee. She just didn't want to be in there anymore after she shared the thing.

Got it. And it had to be instead of like Donna needs to leave so that Rachel can be left alone to make a call, it has to be for an emotional reason for herself to leave. Great. Got it. I got all of that and it was great. And I loved hearing I got a pee in the middle of serious moments. All right. Ignoring Rachel's phone call, Mike talks to Trevor. He needs Trevor's help.

Which is, do you remember this scene from the town? Anyone remember that? Going deep on the town? I don't know how you have this kind of memory of phones. Nobody knows the scene? You know the scene where Ben Affleck walks in to Jeremy Renner and goes, I need you to hurt some people and I can't tell you why. And he goes, which car are we taking? You don't remember this scene?

It's like one of the great scenes. I love that. I love that you remember that. I love that this is an homage to that. I also love that Mike is a Harvey whisperer. I do think that you have spent this whole episode straddling the light and the serious tones really really really well. Thank you. You're knitting it all together for all of us. Thank you. It's fun to see Trevor be useful like oh we can actually there's

something for him to do here instead of just terrorize us and make us scared. Exactly and then we're into act five where Trevor threatens Matt on quote unquote Jason's behalf, so we're in that bedroom and we get Tom playing to the strengths of having his heavy brow that he told us about. Being the scary guy who wakes you up in the middle of the night with a baseball bat.

Terrifying, terrifying. I did not want to wake up to Tom above me with a baseball bat, It's so scary. So yeah, he threatens him and then leaves and then Matt finds Harvey Mike and Detective Packle in his living room. The plan works. Matt confesses, let me just walk you through this Matt Bailey's last 20 minutes. He's in bed, water on his face.

He wakes up a man with a bat, threatens him, tells him that his best friend's going to turn on him or kill him if he does anything, smashes his lamp, walks out. So he goes, man, that's a lot. So I'm going to get up and I'm going to go to the kitchen, pour myself a drink. Then there is a police officer and two attorneys who have now broken and entered into his home that are sitting in the dark. RG Under the guise of we knew somebody was gonna come for you because so we were guarding you. Because we were just across the street and we saw it.

Guarding and keeping you safe. So we, instead of waiting outside or coming and knocking on your door, we literally just came into your house and sat here and waited for you to wake up. Yeah. That's a terrifying 20 minutes. I mean, I know this guy doesn't deserve our empathy.

He was involved with the killing of a young girl, but this is a strange night for him. How did you feel about this whole sequence? I just enjoyed the unraveling of this part of the plot, honestly, and it was brilliant on Mike's part. Like, we didn't see him going and soliciting Trevor to do it. Harvey gets to get right up to the line on this, and then obviously you've got

Packle somehow has been won over by this whole move. So this is part of the plot of Mississippi Burning. Have you seen Mississippi Burning? Probably back when it came out. I don't know. Maybe I fell asleep. I can't remember. I love that I just called myself a cinephile. I don't think I've seen Mississippi Burning. So I don't think I'm immediately disqualified. Is this supposed to be from? I think all of these machinations are from Mississippi Burning.

I think we should go watch Mississippi Burning. Guys, we'll be right back. Special, and just hold. ["Spring Day"] Wow, oh my God, okay, yeah, that was great. Yeah, that was cool, that was cool. That was really cool how they did the thing. I can see why we used all of that.

Okay, good, good, good. So then Trevor listens to the voicemail from Rachel and he discovers that Mike is with Jenny. Do you hear that little Blue Jays shout out at the beginning of this scene? The radio? The radio says something about the Blue Jays. Oh no, that place is squarely in Toronto.

How about Tom's face? When he turns? In the scene, when it turns. He goes from being very friendly Tom to I'm about to murder Tom. It's scary. It's scary. It is.

Yeah. I love how it cuts from Trevor to Mike and Harvey waiting for Clifford outside of the prison. It's such a different vibe. They're so happy. Our guy's gonna get out of prison. They're there to meet him. They're having fun banter. And then we go into slow-mo and he comes out.

And it's overlaid, right? Because Trevor is going to Pearson Hardman to talk to Jessica and... It's a beautiful ending. It's an incredible cliffhanger. Like, what is going to happen? Seeing the wolf in the hen house, so to speak. Like, him just standing there waiting,

and you're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Totally. Did you think about when you read that, or when we were working on this episode, like, how they're gonna get out of this? Like, how we're gonna come back for episode one, season two? Were you like, where are they gonna go? Because I could not think of where to go.

I was like, what, where, are we gonna jump time? And I know I sort of asked Aaron about it at the time and he was like, I'm not jumping time. I'm not gonna jump time. You committed to that. Yeah, I remember being like, that is one thing we are not doing. And it wasn't gonna be a dream. It wasn't gonna be like, it was going to,

he was gonna follow through on it, but I remember him looking at me saying, I have no idea what we're doing. And I just thought that was incredible because that, that unknowing, the fear of that unknown would have totally frozen me creatively. Would you have been able to think of a way through? I think, I don't know, maybe I watch enough TV

that I'm like, you can get out of anything. So for me, I just was like, yeah, hell yeah, of course, let's mix it up. Someone else has got to find out and Jessica's the best person. We've been dodging her all. So I was just excited. I was selfishly excited too,

cause it made Mike, you know, Mike was about to have a spotlight on him and I was like, oh, these will be some fun scenes to play. So I had no doubt we could figure it out. I don't know what it was going to be. And you try to remain, you know, unattached from any idea of what you want it to be because it'll inevitably be something different. But I was excited.

I mean, and also just as a person who had been reading the scripts, I was excited. I was like, this is a great ending. This is a solid ending to this season. Yeah. And there we are at the end of the episode. We have arrived. Not only at the end of an episode,

but at the end of the season. So let's review our honorable mentions, right? What do you got? We've got some incredible casting here. We have some really good one-liners. The writing's amazing. our honorable mentions, right? What do you got? We've got some incredible casting here. Mm-hmm. We have some really good one-liners. The writing's amazing. Kevin's direction, which I'm going to call his conjuring,

because he is just, like, lifting up that direction out of the ether. I think there is fairy dust sprinkled all over this episode. I'm loving the mic close-ups. I love the memory of working with Rick on that particular scene. I think that's one of my favorite memories of working with Rick was that scene. And I loved the suits and how the suits played

with each other. I say Julie's the unsung hero here. It's like she's creating the perfect kind of wallpaper for our show. I think those are all right. I think just in general, Kevin, just Kevin and Erin together is the dream team and it made for such a great episode. I think having all of us just find, we have spent 12 episodes figuring out our pocket, what we love to do, what our characters, where the characters really work, and in this episode we all get a chance to demonstrate it.

I think the music is phenomenal. I think Kevin's doing some stuff with editing in this episode that's phenomenal. I think you and Rick are at the top of your powers. Yeah, I mean, in terms of objections, I don't have much. I know you have one. What do you got?

Oh no, no, we don't even need to include that. I was just gonna say that silly. Women are not just wearing men's shirts in the morning. I think the funny objection that I have is about something you just said, that there's a peak happening here. I know for me, watching this episode, I was like, oh, is this the peak of Donna?

Oh no. No, no, no, I know, but seriously, there were such gems here that I actually am like, oh gosh, I'm like, yeah. I'm scared to watch the rest, I'm like, this is just the first season, oh no. Oh, I see, like did I just blow through all my great moments that I thought were gonna be spread out more?

Yeah. You know what I mean? Or those feelings that we talked about possibly coming up of like, oh, I didn't have that anymore because the way our show changed. Instead of just, you know, we are humans who are uncomfortable with change, right? Aren't all humans uncomfortable with change, even though the Buddha told us it's the one thing

that's for certain is that there's gonna be change. And it's gonna be great and it's gonna be great to go on this journey with you, but I'm having this funny feeling of like... That's a good point. Yeah, I mean, this is, I have this insane experience at the end of this season of getting nominated for a SAG award, which happens after this season, which was just such a, maybe we'll talk more at length about it, but it's such a surreal, unexpected, insane thing to have happen.

And then that leads right into like going back to work off the heels of that and off the heels of this insane season. And I know things get tougher for me personally from this point on. So it is a little scary too to be like, I feel like we've gotten the thrill and the excitement of the first season

and now we're heading into the second season. What category of personally tougher are we talking about? Are we talking about conflict? Are we talking about- Yeah, we're getting all, yeah, sorry. Give me some other options. No, I feel like I should definitely not put that, put words in your mouth around this at all.

No, no, no, no, I think you're right. I think you know. There's conflict, there's self-doubt, there's loneliness, there's being further away, there's the show not going in the direction that you thought it should go in, and realizing like, well, you don't get a say in that, but how frustrating that is.

I mean, there's a lot of stuff coming up. We're heading into the first season. My memory of it, while scary and difficult at times, was joyful. It was really joyful. It was just like fun. It was exhausting. I remember being so tired for so much of it,

but I had fun. It gets more complicated from here on out. Second, third, fourth season. It starts getting more complicated, as I think it does for anybody who's on a show for a long time. So it's gonna be interesting to have to navigate those feelings as they come up.

Yeah. That's it. I don't have any other objections. So how many god damns do you think there were in this episode? I'm gonna say zero. I'm gonna say, well, if it's price is in this episode? I'm gonna say zero. I'm gonna say, well if it's Price is Right rules, then I'll just say one. There are two.

I win! You're so mean. You're the meanest. How many total for the season? I have no idea. Do you think Google have it? I'm pretty sure it's 21. Season one, 21.

Wait, it's on the internet? Of course it's on the internet. There's a whole chart right here. Really? Of everyone. We're not revolutionary? No. There's 21. Is there a chart for all the other seasons?

Don't tell me. No cheating. No cheating. Okay. So that's case closed. On Dogfight, end season one of Suits. Guys, thank you so much for listening, not only to this episode, but this entire first season.

We couldn't be doing this without you. Thank you for your support. Thank you, Sarah, for showing up. I love you. I love you. I thank you. And then next week, we're actually gonna have a very special episode.

We're lucky to be welcoming Erin Korsh and Kevin Bray, the creator of the show and the director of many episodes including this last one that we just did. They're gonna come and talk to us about the whole first season and what the experience was like before we crack into season two. Get ready for some chaos. All right, thank you guys. Have a great week. Take care of yourselves and each other. Bye. Bye.

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