Sidebar: A Suits Watch Podcast - Hanging Out with Vanessa Ray & Tom Lipinski

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

After 15 years, they've still got it! This week, we have Vanessa Ray (Jenny) and Tom Lipinski (Trevor) in studio to talk about their Suits journeys. We hear audition stories, learn which celeb's loft "Suits" rented for first Mike/Trevor/Jenny scene, get behind-the-scenes stories on iconic moments like the handshake and the fight scene. Plus, listen to Sarah and Vanessa become besties in real-time. Email us a voice memo of your questions about Suits at [e-mail]. We may use it on the show!Follow us on Instagram & TikTok - @suitssidebarGet access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using this show link: https://siriusxm.com/sidebar

Music Hi, I'm Patrick Adams. And I'm Sarah Rafferty. And this is Sidebar, our Suits Watch podcast where each week we go through an episode of the show. Or we do what we're going to do this week. We talk to some of our beloved castmates and we hear their stories. That's right. We were going through fan questions

and we got a really great one from Gavin in Ireland. He asked, how likely is it that we get the season one actors like Vanessa Rae and Tom Lepinski on the podcast? Well, Gavin, good news today is your lucky day. And he's Irish. So his days are always lucky. Today on the pod, we are gonna have an amazing conversation.

We're so lucky to have them. Vanessa Ray is joining us. She played Jenny on Suits. Vanessa joined Suits on day one as Jenny Griffith, appearing on the pilot and nine episodes total. And following Suits, Vanessa joined Friend of the Pod and wife of Patrick, Troy and Belisario, on Pretty Little Liars, and recently she wrapped the CBS drama Blue Bloods.

Fast facts from our firm's best researcher, Kiki. She played an essential role in one of Kiki's favorite shows, Damages. On PLL, her character CeeCee Drake was aka Charlotte De Laurentiis, and Charlotte De Laurentiis for a time was the elusive A. Wow. Then, not only do we get Vanessa Rae,

but we have live on Zoom from the East Coast, Tom Lipinski joining us. Tom joined Suits as Trevor Evans in the pilot, and we saw him in 11 episodes over the course of five seasons. Tom's also appeared in The Nick, Billions, and Snowpiercer, and he's guested on dozens of other series. He also produces Gone South, an investigative journalism podcast about crime in the deep south.

And fast facts, Tom was an all-American athlete in high school. We don't know what sport he played. I'm saying lacrosse. He's been slapped by Richard Dreyfuss. That's a good person to be slapped by. Gone South won an Edward R. Murrow award, which is high praise in the journalism world. Listener, I'm so excited for you to hear this conversation because this was really the first time that I got to sit down with Vanessa and Tom. And Patrick has always spoken, as you know, so highly of them and has such amazing memories

and loves them so much. them and has such amazing memories and loves them so much and they do not disappoint. I've exchanged phone numbers and Vanessa and I are now best friends. So I hope you enjoy this conversation. They're hard not to love. It's a fascinating conversation. We love these two people. We're so grateful to them for coming in and we hope you enjoy the chat. We hope you enjoy the chat. Two, three.

Hey. Wait, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. Tom. Hi, man. Tom, come on. We're going to need you to lock in. Okay, I'm locked. I'm locked.

Wait, how do I make you, how do I make you my main, I want to make you my main. I am your main. Squeeze. You know I'm your main. How do I make you my main? I've always been your main. I am your main. What's your podcast? Can you plug your podcast right now

so I can look it up and download it? Same. Gone South. It's huge. And you make this show with your brother. Season four. What do you guys talk about? It's not like it's not one of these little chat shows.

Nothing against chat shows. No, what are your little chat shows? One of your stupid chat shows. We don't just like get around and talk about murder. You actually do, you do the murdering and then you talk about it. I can't see Vanessa, which is, that's the only bad thing. You don't need to see her, she's doing fine.

Oh my God, she looks exactly the same. It's so stupid how pretty she is. If she wasn't so great, you'd punch her in the face. I don't believe me. The thoughts crossed my mind. You're so pretty. This is what I was gonna tell you, but I'm not supposed to tell you until it's filming.

I'm having a fangirl moment. I'm sitting next to you, like in the flesh. This is so crazy. I never sat next to you in the flesh, but I have been watching your talent on my screen. No, you haven't. Yes, I have. I've been watching this show called Suits

for the first time. I've been watching the show called Suits. It's so good, I have. I've been watching this show called Suits for the first time. I've been watching this show called Suits. It's so good, you guys. I want to say right off the bat, thank you for coming in because you responded immediately. I still had your phone number. Wait, immediately? That is... That's a lie.

You didn't respond immediately. I was going to say, I don't respond immediately to anything. That was for somebody who... I responded immediately. You did respond immediately. And you were like in the middle of the night, you had just driven your kids through the snow or something and you were like lying in bed

and we were texting. That's right. That's right. Do you know this about him? Tom, can you get closer to your mic? I'm gonna need to hear you better because I don't know if you know this, but I'm 10, 12 years older than when you last saw me. I'm gonna need some more volume.

Oh, do you have a hearing problem now? Is that a real thing? What, do I have a hearing problem now? Is that a real thing? What, do I have a new problem? I have all kinds of problems. Can you hear him now? Sure, is that, am I not? Is that good? No, I'm serious.

I know. Yeah, you know how I feel about mic technique. I know that you've had a podcast for four years. Sarah's got extraordinary mic technique. Do you have good mic technique? The Alex. I was gonna say, I haven't heard your plosives yet, but I mean, you could try me and see how it is on this end.

What about my TD confusion? Holy sh- Wow, we're getting in the weeds here. Yeah, this is insider stuff. You guys, we'll catch up later. This is for our Kristin Linklater. Well, I had been saying that Tom has been doing one of these podcasts for four years now,

so he's the real pro here. I just wanna hear everything you have to say. But before we get too deep into the weeds that we're all gonna get into, I want to kind of start at the beginning because I know we only have a limited amount of time with you both. And we found that with these conversations,

a good place to start is where we started, where you started, where you were. Let's all go back. Let's get in the machine. Let's go back to 2010. God. Right before you've gotten the audition for a little show. At the time it might have been called Illegal Minds still. I don't know. Yes. That's right.

Or was it Suits? That sounds right. What was going on in your life, career at all in 2010 right before you got this show? Any insight into what was happening? If anything, If not, this is gonna be a long podcast. Was Suits your first job ever? No, it was not my first job ever, but I was, I just remember this audition as clearly as anything,

because it was the first time that I thought, I'm gonna just be a cool girl who doesn't wear a lot of makeup. And it's a hot day in New York city. And everyone is, and like the description was like, girl. It wasn't like girl who does anything. Girl who, whatever. That was the breakdown for Jenny was just like, girl.

Listener, you should see the like swaggy situation. The wiggle that's happening in the chair is gonna just says it all. Just picture it. She's girl and she gets the sticky moves. She was girl and I was like, I'm a cool girl in New York City and I'm gonna come in without makeup

and I'm gonna wear shorts. Oh, you had shorts? You wore shorts? I wore shorts. I didn't care. I walked into that edition and all the girls were in suits for real. They were wearing suits?

The girls were. For the role of Jenny or were you going in for Rachel? I was going in for Jenny. What? And I went in and all the girls were in suits and all, cause it was like legal. Right, but what scenes were you doing that would have? Our first scene.

In the loft with the three of us? In the loft. Yeah, it was that scene. But I remember it was a super hot summer day would have... Our first scene, I think. In the loft with the three of us? In the loft, yeah. Right? Huh. It was that scene. But I remember it was a super hot summer day and all the guys were in suits and they were all sweating and all the girls were so uncomfortable and I walked in in shorts and they were like,

who the f*** does this girl think she is? You can say it will be you. Did you feel empowered at that moment or were you feeling like I've made a horrible mistake, I should be in suits? Or were you feeling your decision at that point? I thought I was just doing something different. Hell yeah, great, great.

Yes, there you go, there you go, congrats. And then. I can't believe you remember this. But this is, well this is why I remember it. Because I got a callback and the callback notes were, can she come in again but just look like TV pretty? Oh. Yikes. Oh.

That's a great note, by the way. You know what I like about that note though? I was like, okay, I get it, I'm not cool. It's honest. It's like, they didn't even try to mask it. Not even a little. Just be TV pretty. Can you just be TV pretty? Be TV pretty, wow.

I was like, okay, so I came in again, and then, and then. What did you change? Yeah, what did you do? What did you do? How did you interpret that? I put on eyelashes and I put on makeup and I wore a leather jacket. Took off the shorts. I wore a leather jacket

and then they said take the jacket off and I was like, Jesus. Two TV, two TV. Yeah, almost two TV. Well, girl in TV outfit is a t-shirt, leather jacket of various colors and denim, like tight denim, and then like a little booty. That's a girl on TV. Sorry, sorry, multi-colored leather jacket?

That's a TV girl? Yeah, because sometimes it's dark green, Tom, sometimes it's red, sometimes it depends. Not at the same time though. Not like a multi-colored leather jacket. Got it, got it, got it. Oh yeah, thank you for helping me clarify. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, then I wore that, and then they were like, okay, she can be pretty, so she can be in the show. Oh God. Did you get any direction in your acting in the room? No, ma'am. No, ma'am. It was yours, it was yours, you just. And can I ask quickly, where were you at career wise at this point, doing lots of guest stars?

Had you already done your own series? I don't remember what. You had done some pretty little, that Pretty Little Liars hadn't happened yet. No, that was after. I had like guest starred on like every show in New York at that point. All the Law and Orders.

Well, I didn't do any Law and Order actually, speaking of. I know, I'm the only actor in New York that didn't get to do it. Sorry, Tom. Geez. I know you got two. Here I was respecting you for a minute.

The big job was damages. I remember damages. You came in having done damages. That was the big game. And I had just watched it and I was sort of intimidated because it was so good. Glenn Close? Glenn Close.

Like you got close to Glenn Close? Uh-huh. How close? Yeah, I did all the scenes with her. How close? How close? How close to Glenn Close? Wait, how was that?

She's amazing and really powerful. And Ted Danson. Great Ted Danson in that show. I had just broken up with my boyfriend who's now my husband, and Ted Danson was knocked on my door and was like, hey, I heard you just went through a breakup,

don't worry about it girl, you got this. Oh my god. It was really great, he was really great. And so, and then, yeah, that was kind of where I was at, is I was like guest starring on shows, I had been on Broadway, I'd done a couple shows, and then I auditioned for a series. So you're coming into Suits,

it's another pilot that's being made, people seem cool, whatever, that's it. Yeah, nothing about it, yeah. Or don't get ahead of it, don't put words in her mouth, did people seem cool, whatever. That's it. Yeah. I had nothing about it. Yeah, totally. Don't get ahead of it. Don't put words in her mouth. Did people seem cool or? People seemed really cool.

I mean, they were really cool and talented. Especially the guy up front. He seemed really charming. Tom, you know I always love at first sight when I saw you. That's true. So Tom, why don't you step in, tell us what's going on in 2010.

2010, well, I have a day job, and that day job is a full-time job. I worked at LimeWire. Any oldies know, remember LimeWire? Remember that? That would be me, I'm an oldie, and I don't know what you're talking about. Is it music? Is it music?

So you're- Oh God, I'm out on all small things. No, no, no, Napster, you remember Napster, right? It was downloading illegal music and files. It was an illegal file, well, I'm out on all, all things. No, no, no, Napster, you remember Napster, right? It was downloading illegal music and files. It was an illegal file, well, it wasn't illegal, I mean, it ultimately was illegal. We don't need to get into the reality. We don't need to get into the reality, that's a different podcast.

Well, you know, some people went to Congress and we testified about, you know, anyway. Did you? Did you? I didn't, yeah, I did. I was like the building manager, they were like, can we get the building manager to come to Congress and talk about it? Oh, wait a minute, so I didn't, yeah, I did. I was like the building manager. They were like, can we get the building manager to come to Congress and talk about?

Oh, wait a minute, so I remember this. You were a building manager and I remember you, I'm always impressed because I wish I were handier and you had cool boots that building managers wore. I remember his boots, his red wings, he was very cool. But you were the, I was in my mind, you were the building manager at like an apartment building. It was at an office building, it was at LimeWire?

It was an office building, I worked for LimeWire. It was an office building. I worked for LimeWire and it was, I'm not kidding, two blocks away from that loft scene where we shot in Tribeca. Oh, right. So like I- Do you guys remember whose apartment that was? No.

It's Brooke Shields. No. No, it was not. Yeah, it was Brooke Shields old apartment. Was that her motorcycle? The one with the motorcycle in it? Yes, that fancy apartment we shot in. Was that her motorcycle? I don't know if it was not. Yeah, it was Brooke Shields old apartment, yes. Was that her motorcycle? The one with the motorcycle in it? Yes, that fancy apartment we shot in. I don't know if it was her motorcycle.

Somebody call Brooke Shields. Kiki, call Brooke Shields right now. DM her. Can we get Brooke on the line? Now you guys get to have Brooke Shields on the show. I had no idea that that was Brooke Shields apartment. That's a great deep cut. No way.

So you auditioned. How was your audition, Tom? I did, I did audition. Yeah, well, what about the audition? Yeah, wait, Tom, do you wanna circle back to the? No, in my career, I'd done some small stuff. I was nowhere near as preeminent as Vanessa Rae at the time. Okay. I'd done a couple of small things.

I'd done a movie. I'd done a, what, at least at the time I was told was one of the few HBO pilots that never got picked up. They were just like, oh, these always go. And then it didn't. I was like, oh. We love that.

That's a good start. Yeah. And I do, I remember I auditioned in like, in a weird building that I never auditioned in ever again, over in, again, Tribeca. Yeah. And Bray was there for me. Kevin Bray, listener, to remind you,

was the director of the pilot and then also the producing director of the show for the first two seasons or one season? He was the producing director for two seasons. Two seasons, yeah. And Korsh was there too. So the two of them were in the room. And I think that was the callback, not the first audition.

But I was one of those guys. Humble brag. I was at the callback. I the first audition, but I was one of those guys. Humble brag. I was at the callback. I didn't have to go to the first stand. No, no, no. I did. No, I did go to the first call and they were just like, I mean, I guess they're like calling back, but it was, there were a bunch of, there were a bunch of people

at the callback and both of them were so like, just sort of like very on the level that I was like, are either of you, do either of you guys like what I'm doing? Like they didn't, if they were enjoying it, they didn't tip their hand, I'll say it that way. Playing it close to the head. Did you guys leave the auditions thinking, yeah, I think I probably maybe got that job? No. Yes.

Okay, good. No, definitely not, Tom. No, but I was one of those, I was one of those sweaty guys wearing a suit that Vanessa probably walked by in her little shorts. That sounds right. And I did it and, you know, like they asked me a couple questions. I was like, you know, yeah, it's elite. And then they're like, all right, thanks. We'll see you. I was like, well, there goes another one.

And then you find out you got it. And then I found out I got it. And I was like, well. So what were your impressions? Your impression was this is a girl. This is a girl. And who knows what it's gonna be. She could be anything. What was your impression of Trevor? And yeah, what was your impression of Trevor?

Yeah, I mean, it was like, he was the, like the ne'er do well buddy, which sort of kind of how that stuck. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, what was that? The first, the pilot was the only thing we had and it was just like me being stoned

and essentially just trying to lie to my girlfriend and stuff, like right out of the gate. I was like, okay, yeah, I think I get it. When you say that stuck, do you feel that you've been typecast since? I- Legitimately? No, I mean, I always, when I first started acting, I had like a self

conception. I was like, Oh, I'm like the sort of how I am in general. I was like, Oh, I'll be like the nice like guy next door. I'll be like the buddy. I'll be the friend. I'll be like the harmless, like, Oh, look at this guy. And instead I'm always like a killer, a bad guy, a rapist, a man with a secret, you know. It's so weird,

because you're just the sweetest guy in the world. It is the weirdest thing. What do you think it is? Do you have any like idea why that happens? Like what is it, what do you bring into your auditions? Like, what do you think about that? And how's the experience of playing those roles? Cause those are juicy.

They're juicy, you know, a heavy brow, like honestly. Seriously, seriously though. But honestly, I could spin a whole story and emotional, you know, golden thread all the way going back to the early trauma. But I was like, I think then when people put a light on my face, people were like, whoa, what's with the eyes? Jeez.

You know? I think that- Because I had redhead casting. I talked about this on this podcast. Oh? Like leading up to being on Suits, there was a lot of like, bad girl. Ooh, like what's she doing? I mean-

I wonder if it's changed at all because I do think that there is a thing that happens to you when you go on camera and you're lit. You're like, oh, I guess I am a this, or I am a that. Well, you were doing girl. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, in that way, though, I'm not kidding. Yes, literally, you're like, you're a girl. Like, you're like, oh, I guess I'm just a girl.

I'm an archetype girl. Like, yeah, red head, like, hooded eyes. You even said, I remember, I can't, I don't remember anything, but I remember shooting that pilot. Okay, I'm good. Oh, tell us, tell us, I can't, I don't remember anything, but I remember shooting that pilot. Oh, tell us, tell us. Same or anything, but I remember you saying like, you were saying about Patrick, you go,

look at him, just an open face. No, he did not say that. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. He said that to me and I was like- Like privately? Yes. Like not as a joke?

What does that mean to you, Tom? No, not as a joke. He was like- Open heart? Like you just have this open face? No, not as a joke. He was like, open heart. Open face. Like you just have like this open face. When we saw you on camera, he's like, open face. Honestly, that sounds like something I would have said in 2010 when I was all up on my camera.

Camera story, you know, imagistic storytelling. But I do, of course, I mean, I could say that now. I love that. That like, open, like you're an open face. That's like the best compliment you could give. It was like, yes. It is, I don't exactly know what it means, but it touches my heart when I hear it.

I think about it all the time. I'm like, am I, I'm going into this scene with an, I'm like, am I having an open face? Like that was a really big compliment from Tom. And I was like, I want to have an open face as well. Oh God. Were you saying that from the point of view, like that you think your face was closed

or just recognizing? Well, I think an open face is a couple of things. I think it's like, it's telegenic, right? So it's like, you look great on camera. You all three of you look great on camera. So right out of the gate, it's like an open face means like, oh, you're beautiful. He included me.

You're so nice. Well, you have the moon's kind of face. But also like open meaning like I can see, you know, you can see. He included me. You're so nice. Well, you have the most beautiful face. But also, open meaning I can see, you can see the wheels turning, right? You can see as things come in and then come back out, you can see them processing. Yeah, that's so good. So it's open so it's not, you're not hiding the process. Oh, I see.

I see. God, what a great compliment. Yes, that's so cool. Open face. Yes, Tom. Open face, open face. Thank you. No, and I have been relishing that watching these episodes.

I'm just thinking of one that we're gonna talk about tomorrow. And there's just like, what I love about Mike is how when he gets to be quiet, how much of his interior monologue is kind of what your monologue is. Like you're like experiencing the world of suits through Mike because of what Patrick brings, exactly like what you said, Tom,

that openness, that thing that we can be a part of, that we can be invited into. I remember when he said that, I thought, I was like, oh, this show's gonna work. Like, this show's gonna be a great show because what a compliment. Yeah, huge. Like, what a thing to say about a person that you just met.

The wheels stop but the chrome keeps spinning, you know what I mean? I do know what a compliment. Yeah. What a thing to say about a person that you just met. The wheels stop but the chrome keeps spinning. You know what I mean? I do know what you mean. You know what I mean. It's like I always say. Like I always say. Well, let's talk a bit about your first days on set. Now, I want to watch our loft scene,

but we don't necessarily need to jump into it first. But for me, it was like, it's obviously, I think the first time the three of us are all together. Was it the first scene that we shot? Do we remember that? Do you remember? For for me it was like, it's obviously, I think the first time the three of us are all together. Was it the first scene that we shot? Do we remember that? Do you remember? For me it was. When was the last time you guys watched the pilot?

Oof. I have no idea. Like when it came out? Are we supposed to have a, like probably when it came out. When it came out, like you haven't seen it, right? No. Okay, can I ask the questions before we look at the scene? Actually, Tom, since you're here.

Yeah, I'm here. When I saw this on the day, I said to Patrick, I said, which one of you gents had the courage to say to the other, hey bro, can we make up a handshake? I just feel like that's very brave. So do you remember it? It was scripted, remember? It was scripted, that's why.

Just let me live in my own lore. No, no, no, no, no, someone had to do it, but it was based on a, because at first we thought, oh man, we came up... When I watched it, I was like, I think we just did that. And then I looked at the script and it does say they do some sort of cool handshake thing. So that was the impetus.

But what I'm saying is you haven't met, and at some point you're gonna have to figure out the thing. So which guy says first, like, do you want to go back to my trailer and work on the handshake? Hey, man, you want to head back to the room? Hey, Tom, do you want to come into my double banger and work on the handshake? Hey man, you wanna head back to the room? Hey Tom, do you wanna come into my double banger

and work on handshakes? So about this handshake, sounds pretty stupid, but we should probably work on it, right? It's probably kind of, I mean they asked for it. Like, what do you do? I don't know, do you remember how that came about? I kind of do. I think that Kevin was there, he was like,

yeah, maybe it was Kevin or maybe it was Erin. I don't even know. God, your mom and dad were there to watch you guys make it? What? Kevin. It's so embarrassing. Acting is so embarrassing.

Kevin, I don't think we were being watched. I think we went off into the corner and did it and then like presented it. Okay, okay, okay, even better. It's only getting worse and better at the same time. I think we like went out into the corner and we were just like, what about a punching thing? I didn't know about this.

And one of the reasons I wanna bring it up is because in all honesty, in all seriousness, you guys did not know each other independently before you got there. And the level of chemistry that you brought to this pilot without a thing to watch in advance, without knowing exactly what the world is, there was a special alchemy with the three of you.

And I know that as a viewer. So let's go into the scene. Let's watch it and yeah, I think that you made a really good point. It's really special that you brought that. You're not just a girl. You were just a girl. Yeah, you were. Just a girl.

Best cheeseburger I've had in my life. It's from Monday, Trevor. Look, Vane, I'm serious. I'm not interested. Not interested in what? What are you doing here? I said you're gonna stay at your place tonight. Hi, sweetie. What a pleasant surprise.

I'm so glad you stopped by. No, we're in the middle of something. What are you in the middle of? Trevor's trying to set me up. That's terrific. Uh, who's the lucky girl? I'm trying to get him to work for me. That's a great idea.

We'll take some stress off Trevor, and you'll pick up writing code like you do everything else. All right, I gotta go. I gotta get up early to see my great-mother and pay them another month. This moment. That. Oh, and that. That.

Whoa. So let's- Forgot about the heat there. This was hot and hot. So what are some takeaways from watching? I actually really wanna just get right off the dome your guys' reaction if you haven't actually seen that since we shot it.

Oh my god. What are you thinking? We're so little. You guys look exactly the same. So I mean, our voices are so high. I was gonna say, yeah, Vanessa looks just exactly the same. She's not hearing it, but. That's not true.

My face looks like 10 pounds of mashed potatoes in a five pound bag. I'm not. Wow, that's great. I don't say this lately cause I have the same thing watching. Doing this whole project that we're doing is very uncomfortable. We've talked about it a lot. I don't watch anything that I do.

I cannot watch it. And so to go back and watch this is hard. But that scene was one scene that was so joyful to watch for the reason that you just brought up, which was to think of three actors that didn't know each other at all. Like we probably met that day. Sure. And we are tasked, and that fun thing we get to do as actors to be like, hey, be best friends now. Who've known each other forever, who have a lot of history.

You don't have a lot of scripts to base that history on. It's not like a film where you're given the script and then you learn later, you have all these pages to then be like, okay, I have to play. We don't know anything. We just know that you're my best friend and you're his girlfriend and that there's probably something here.

Something, you came in with it. I saw it. You came in with it. Right, when he said he's setting you up, you sort of looked at him and said, oh, ooh. Yeah, perfectly played because it's not too much. It was so soft. It's not like, oh no, I'm hurt, but it's.

And then you put your hands on her head to say goodbye. Like she's your too much. It's not like, oh no, I'm hurt, but it's... And then you put your hands on her head to say goodbye. Like she's your not sister. Like we've been friends forever. Yes. Like me kissing you. There's care there. And it's not weird.

I feel like another show would have me kiss you and then Trevor would look a little like, what's going on? But these people are so close that I can kiss you on the cheek or whatever. I hold your face and kiss you and it's totally normal and everything's okay And and so I left that scene feeling like I love these guys. I know them How do you feel about being the most successful and wealthy pot dealer in New York City at the time?

Yeah, $12,000 suits, 12 of them. Yeah, 12 $2,000 suits. 12 of them. Obviously, I'm pretty proud of that motorcycle that I put in the- Which by the way, fun fact, I don't know if you remember, maybe we'll look at the scene, but when we have our fight later on in the season, remember we're in Toronto and they have to try and replicate this loft in Toronto and they couldn't. And so there was sort of like we were in the corner of some other apartment and the motorcycle is in that scene too. But it's a different motorcycle because Brook Shields has some gold and yellow on it.

It's definitely a different motorcycle, but it's also a motorcycle in the most inappropriate. It's as if you put a motorcycle in like a one bedroom apartment in West Hollywood. In like the dining room. Like there's no room for it whatsoever. Squeezed it in. Yeah, the fight. Apparently you do ride motorcycles. Yeah, obviously. Obviously, I was waiting for them to do the insert

of me riding away on my motorcycle, on my Kawasaki Ninja. My Kawasaki Ninja. The big thing that I remember about that was like, Kevin wanted me to eat the cheeseburger. He wanted me to be taking a bite of the cheeseburger and being like, that's the best cheeseburger. And I remember like just before this, having read,

I was like, you know, you're reading the acting books and all this stuff that like you're going to acting class and stuff. Yeah. And I remember reading somebody being like, never eat on camera. Because if you get like 60 takes in and you got 60 bites of the cheeseburger. And I remember pitching to Kevin, I was like, I think it's better if he's like so stoned,

he's just like, you know, ideating about the cheeseburger and what it was like. And he was like, all right, fine. And I was like, I think I saved myself a lot of cheeseburger reading that night. Very smart. That's a good point too. I feel like they kind of,

I don't know how to say this in a nice way, but they kind of got out of our way. They did. Yeah. In a lot of ways. They let us kind of find each other and be in the room together and laugh and joke, whatever. I don't remember that a lot of people being around us like telling us what to do.

I remember thinking like, if I show up on day one and we have chemistry, the three of us, this will work. If there's no chemistry, then who cares? And then there was chemistry and it really was like, I made the joke, but I was like, it was like love first sight, I love these guys. And it was very simple to build from that. I remember that in the trailer.

So I never had any scenes with you guys. Right. And I was traveling back and forth to LA at the time, but I remember coming back and we crossed paths in the trailer. I was coming to work and you guys were leaving and you were going to Great Flags, or what is it outside of Toronto?

You were going to- Oh, Canada's Wonderland. You were going to Canada's Wonderland. Yeah. And you guys were butts. You guys were butts. Like you were a gang and you did fun things. And I remember I had maybe been away for an episode

or something and I come back and I'm like, oh my God, look, like they have a whole life. Like the young ones have this whole life out in the world with each other. And it was electric. Just like the excitement if somebody was taking off their makeup and you guys were getting ready to go. And I think I was like, don't forget your sunscreen, kids. Yeah.

And it was the one memory I have. And it was really an honor. Like you, you're like, I don't remember anything. I remembered that. I remember what side of the trailer I was on. I remember just being like, wow, look at that. I can feel it. It's a feeling.

I had it immediately with you guys in the pilot and then, and it always hurt that you then went away. Like, cause it wasn't the whole, like it was a piece of the show. And the whole show is about Mike having this other life and meeting all these new people. And that's the focus of the show and so we had this great chemistry and we kind of fell in love with each other and we were like this is great you know just it was a whole different energy that I could go and play these great scenes um which is another

one we'll watch where I tell you the truth about what I've been doing and you can tell like how much fun I'm having in that scene, how happy I am to be there. And you say, you trust me. Oh no, right? I do? Yeah, it's a very sweet thing. It's such a, oh I love that sound so much. And then there's a point where he picks you up

and I get triggered. So anyway, I'll get to that. That's why I was gonna try picking you up. We're doing it today, I'm picking you up. You're gonna try picking me up. What about fan reactions, you guys? Do you remember at the time, we were all kind of less plugged in, so we don't have a lot of memory about how the viewers were responding to characters. But I'm just wondering for each of you,

like being part of a love triangle or being the bad guy, the bad influence, like did that haunt you in any way? Or did you get that now maybe after the resurgence? Are you recognized for it? Like what's your experience with the show out in the world? I had the funny, I don't think it was like the first time that somebody was just like,

oh, you're the guy on that show. Um, but it was, it was definitely the most memorable. I was on the sixth train. I'd gotten in a bleaker. I was going way uptown. And this dude gets on after me and I'm facing like the doors that he gets on and he's got a like flat he's got flowers he's doing like a flower delivery he's got the big backpack and stuff and

he sees me and like stares at me but like with a grimace and he's not doing anything it was like I think I don't know what I did but it it wasn't, you know, generally people walk by and you get the, you understand when somebody's recognized you, that's like a very common, but this guy was, this guy was like standing me up and I was like, oh my God, and then he comes over to me right as I'm getting off and he was like, stop f***ing around with Mike.

And I was like, no way. But I was completely thrown. I was like, who the f*** is Mike? What are you talking about? Like this guy has me confused for, oh on the show. Is this in the first season or like way later? No, no, no, it was like, I think it was season two. So it was still early, but I was like,

he was already like, you know, he's acting like he's basically like an actor. He had internalized it. It was like, go easy on Mike, like Mike's my guy. And I was like, oh, wow, oh, right. How long do you think he thought about it before he said that to you? He was so excited to have a stage name.

Yeah, he was gonna be in the show with me. And I was like, this is it. Wherever you are, sir, thank you for your service. I appreciate it. Aw, I like that. Did you have anything in the love triangle land of it all? Oh, yeah, I mean, I would go to family events and people would be like, we're Team Rachel land? Oh yeah, I mean, I would go to like family events

and people would be like, we're team Rachel. What? No, really? What a betrayal. People would be so mad at me. And then other people would be like, don't worry, we're secretly team Jenny, it's fine. And I'm like, do we have to be on teams?

Do we have to be on teams? Do we have to be on teams? Do we have to be on teams? Yeah, yeah, we didn't love the team thing. But then as we're watching it, we have suddenly fallen into this. You got teams. Not teams, it's just like.

It depends on what scene you last watched. That's what happens. You watch a Rachel scene, and you're like, oh, they're sweet. And then you come back. And we're like, oh, but they're so sweet. I did a whole diatribe on like, I'm not a team thing. Because I'm actually on a show with teens who there's like a whole team thing that I'm like,

I'm just team the girl on her own. She's figuring it out. Like, she's not who. It's like just whole team thing that I'm like, I'm just team the girl on her own. She's figuring it out. It's not who, it's like just her, her life. But when I watch the show, I go on a diatribe with Patrick where I'm like, I'm not doing it. I will not. I'm like above it.

I'm not participating in that team. I'm not participating. And then I'm like, OK, sorry, I'm team Jenny right now. I know I'm fickle, but then I go to Rachel. So do you guys still get it now, now that the show had this like crazy Netflix resurgence? Is there like a renewed, like? I would, yes, yes. It's weird.

I was in the back of a Uber on the way to the airport and this guy was telling, I was like, oh yeah, he was in like a nice car. I was like, oh, he has a nice car. He picked me up, whatever. And he's like, well, yeah, I'm just, you know, a nice car is always a nice car. I pick me up whatever. And he's like, well, yeah, I'm just, you know, I'm trying to like dress nicer, he says, and I go, oh, that's interesting.

OK, well, why are you trying to dress nicer? And he's like, well, I'm watching this show Suits and like they just dress so sharp on that show. It's such a good show. We ever seen it? And I was like, I've seen it. It's great, yeah, it's really good. And he was like, you kinda look like one of the girls on it. And I was like, oh, what a compliment, thanks.

And he was like, you look just like Jenny. And this is like, it's taking an hour to get to the airport, right? And I was like, yeah, I kinda look like her. I didn't know what to do because I was so nervous to get in his car, but he was like so invested in the show. He wanted to change the way he dressed.

Wow. And did you tell him or no? I did tell him. You did eventually tell him. At that very end when he was getting there. How did that go? He was like, oh my God, I got a picture. That's great.

That was so nice. That's so nice. But people get excited. It's really, it's kind of, it's, you guys. Yeah, no, it's funny. Can I share something that happened to me right today on the way in? And you know, we can use the cutting thing.

Yeah. Every pod, she has to remind us that it's editable. Kenny, are you listening? We can cut it out. Okay, so I did this one. This is gonna sound like a commercial, but I did do this thing. And it's called Pranuvo.

It's where you get like a full body scan, like a preventative medicine thing. So you can- MRI, deal? Yeah, it's MRI, but it's all, it's your whole body. We'll share her results on social. Yeah, sure, we'll put that up on everybody's MyChart. It's a really cool thing.

And I did it for myself for my birthday. And I just, I came here an hour early because I wanted to have the Zoom and then not be came here an hour early because I wanted to have the zoom and then not be like in the parking lot because I wanted to be really focused on anything. So you just got the results of this thing? I just went over my whole body scan. Sarah, what's happening?

Isn't that fun? Tell us what's going on. It was fascinating. It was so good. I'm in good health. I'm in good health. There is a beginning of some arthritis in some places, you guys.

Oh no way. But like in my neck and stuff. And I'm like, are you telling me that I can't like ski? And he's like, no, I think you're fine. No, you're fine. No, I'm lucky. I really want to acknowledge, I'm not taking this lightly. Like I had a great scan and I'm super, super, super grateful.

Tips, tips, tips, tips, tips, tips, thank you. But all that is to say, the lovely doctor radiologist gentleman that when we went onto the Zoom, he immediately was like, oh, I didn't recognize your name, but I love your show and I watch it with my wife and that was like our show through COVID and it was so fun.

And then we get into like my spleen and my uterine lining. Oh, here, oh, here like all the different two clothes. No, it was really interesting because I was like, we just had this conversation about the show and now speaking of being like recognized, that is what. He knows you more intimately than anyone's ever known you by the way.

That is what my aorta looks like. It's my aorta. On that note, what's the next scene we have queued up? Is it, uh, is it a fight or is it a lovemaking? What? Yeah, there was some lovemaking. I don't know if you remember. But it's not, it's, it's not, it's like a pre, it's a, you know, television

pre pre-making of love. Oh, sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure.

Sure. Yeah, we cut away. We got away. That wasn't. Mm-mm, mm. Not until HBO remakes its world- Well, speaking of playing the girl, do you have a lot of love scenes in your career? Did you have to do a lot of that?

No. Okay. Okay. No, I was famously honest, Oprah was one of my first jobs, and I never had a love interest. Okay, interesting. What's up, opera? Wait, what was, yeah, what was your character then?

As the world turns, I played Teresa Cicconi. She was a chef, and they kept trying to put me with like older gentlemen, and I was like, I don't get it. Oh, boy. That's great. I don't get it is a nice response. I'm like, I don't get it, and they were like, okay.

Forget it. Well, the show's ending, who cares? Do you have a love interest on Blue Bloods? Yes. Well, I mean, it was such a love interest that we ended up getting married on the show. Oh, right? I saw that on your Instagram.

And then it like gutted the storyline and then all the audience was mad at us. Were they mad? Did you have to deal with that? Why? What happened? How do you do that? Well, because they like the will they won't they?

And then when they get together, the audience is like, there's nothing do you do that? Well because like they like the will they won't they? And then when they get together, the audience is like well now what are they fighting about? I'm over it, yeah, I'm over it, who cares? Because like if you're fighting, the audience likes that tension, but if you're fighting as a married couple, they're like, oh my gosh, this is a terrible relationship.

It gets really kind of scary. Did you have to like tune out that fan response? Like how did it affect your work? Yeah, for sure. Well, and they did, well, see, this is the tricky part is if you have people in your life that do watch the show, even if you don't watch the show, and they say comments to you,

and you have to like say, mom, you have to like turn off the Google alert. Like, I'm sorry that people, mom, stop reading the comments. Like don't tell me anything about it. Cause I don't know if you had that too, where people were like, we want them together, we want them together, we want them together.

And then like, you get together and then people have opinions about that. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm doing a deep dive here. I should have done it before. Blue Bloods was on television for 14 years. 15 technically, yeah. Have you watched all 300 episodes of Blue Bloods?

You must have. That's a thing to say. You can do that. You you watched all 300 episodes of Blue Bloods? You must have. That's a thing to say, you can do that. You must have, right? I certainly have. Tom's off book, Tom's off book. He's watched every episode twice. He's actually has a podcast, a watch podcast of Blue Bloods.

I have on the other side of this, I have multiple TV cameras in which I watch multiple episodes at the same time. Tom, weren't you on like one of the first seasons of Blue Bloods? Yes, I did an episode, it must have been like two or three, season two or three, it was early. It was early, because the reason I thought of it

is because I know that by season 13, they opened it up to have people who had been on the first couple seasons to come back. Oh, like to come back, because they had run out of actors? I was like, baby Tom will come back. Uh. Tom, what's your favorite role that you've played? Ooh, that's a good, I mean, you know, it's, I don't know how you guys feel.

It's always different. It's like, the answer is seldom like the thing that turned out the best, that it was like the most successful. I mean, this, I think was a unique circumstance, certainly for me, where it was like, it was a joy to be there. Everybody was great. You wouldn't want to be anywhere else. And it was like, it was a joy to be there. Everybody was great. You wouldn't want to be anywhere else. And it was super successful.

So you're just like, well, that's kind of the trifecta. That doesn't happen that often. But there are also those shows where you're like, I don't think the final product, or at least I was not great in the final product, but I learned a ton and it was really sort of helpful. You know, I did a show, The Nick, with Steven Soderbergh. You remember this.

Yes. And it was like, it was on Cinemax. So, no, we watched it. You played her husband, right? I played Juliet Rylance's husband. You played Juliet Rylance's husband, Mark Rylance's husband. But it was a huge cast. It was a huge budget. They were shooting like in New York City for like 1900.

And Clive Owen was the star of the show. And it was like this huge deal. An amazing show. It's an amazing show. So good. And it was like, I'm forget, like I doubt, not a lot of people watched it. I was forgettable in it. Um, but the process of that whole show and watching Steven Soderbergh do his thing was just like, wow, this is an education.

Can you give us a nugget of that education? Tell the story you told me all those years ago about how he would shoot such that like there'd be a window in the room and outside the window would be a street. So you would have to turn the whole street into age appropriate, period appropriate, just in case the camera was gonna go by the window. Can you imagine? And then Steven Stonberg would come in and be like, and now actually we're gonna shoot this way.

So the whole street had been turned into, right? That was the thing. Yeah, you're absolutely right. We were in Harlem shooting in this house that had originally belonged to like the Barnum and Bailey one of the Barnum and Bailey like people and it's you know period specific all this sort of stuff and outside when I showed up there were like ten horse trailers and they had like been dusting the snow fake snow they

taken down all the streetlights and the street signs and all this stuff. And it was for Steven Soderbergh to be on a oner on his shoulder to push into two people having a conversation in front of a window that was fogged. And in the back, you could see a couple of horses and just an old timey street. And the other brain, the part of your brain that's like the line producer, you're just like, 10 horse trailers, they have like four people per horse. Those horses need to eat, those people have overtime. And you're just like, because, and it's not,

he's the camera op, he's holding the camera, he's editing. So he never slept? Yeah. Oh my gosh. That is so cool, that is so cool, that is so cool. That is so cool. I know, now I have a really clear memory of when you went to go do a little film called Labor Day

and you had to get in shape. So hot. You were so ripped. I heard about this. You came back, you had gone away and I didn't know what had happened. And you came and you said, I got this part and you had been working out, like superhero working out.

Yes. It was grotesque. You were like waking up to eat protein at certain hours. Yes, yes. You had like a whole regimen and- You were whoa. Whoa, chill. I mean, you've always been whoa.

You always were. Cause you were a Josh Brolin, you were a young Josh Brolin. I was baby Josh Brolin, but that was a crazy few days because, and those were some of my favorite, my personal favorite episodes of ours when we got to go back in time, our throwback episodes. Oh, right. Because that was where we could sort of unleash

and be young, pretend we're young kids, young friends again. Yeah. But I came from Labor Day, flew up, did our scenes on that first throwback episode and then went and got married and then went back to Labor Day. That's right. Wow.

That was a whole thing. Congratulations. That was a fun one. Smart lady to nail it down. Yeah, yeah, right. Really, really smart. But yeah, no, I was in, I did like the whole, the thing that you always dream of, like the,

oh, they're gonna pay somebody to train me and give me muscles, which was wild. Tom, do you know that I tried to work with that guy? Did you? The guy that trained me. Frank? Yeah, because you gave, yeah, you gave, Frank, you gave me, and guess what? I failed.

You didn't get your act? How long did you last? How long did you last? I think I stopped showing up three after the third. I was like, I guess I can't be a movie star. I remember. I guess I just can't do this. I can't do it.

I'm not committed enough. He was so lovely and so kind. It was so intense. What you described to me was. But it was also, I mean Paramount, I don't know if I'm gonna tell tales out of school here, but they sent shirtless photos. They cut everything Sarah said so. They sent shirtless photos. They could cut everything Sarah said so.

They sent shirtless photos of me every week back to Paramount. No, those went to me, Tom. Those were going to me. Oh, was that to you? Oh, S.Rafferty, it was me. And. She still has them.

Yeah, so those are out there somewhere at Paramount.com. They're gonna be behind the sidebar paywall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've jumped around a bunch, but I'd love to see if we have some of these scenes queued up. Okay, here we go. Episode three, inside track.

The least you could do is be honest with Jenny. That's what this is all about. Yeah. You always liked her. You think she deserves to know the truth. You always thought you were better than me. Maybe that's because I am. Uh oh. There's a pushing. No boys, uh oh.

You guys stop. Both grunting. Oh, into the post. Was that a stuntman? Oh! Oh! Right in the... ...ly. Feel bad about it.

Is that balls or kidneys? That's right in the kidneys. We're done. We're done here. Don't let the door hit you. You left your bag. Heartbreaking. You forgot your bags? Right in the kidneys. We're done. We're done here. Don't let the door hit you. You left your bag. Heartbreaking.

You forgot your bags? I do, I remember you hit me in the head during one of those takes. Uh oh. Well, you deserved it. I did, I'm sure I did. No, what happened? A liar. Accidentally,

accidentally you got hit in the head? I accidentally, I got hit in the head and I was like, ooh, ooh, that, oh. Like I felt- Like you got really clapped? Like I got, no, but you hit me like, you missed me, but you got hit in the head and I was like, ooh, ooh, that, oh. Like I felt. Like you got really clapped? Like I got really, no, but you hit me like, you missed me, but you hit me in the head with like your arm. And I remember being like. My arms are very strong.

That's, that was dangerous. That's a lot. My arms are very strong. Yeah, it's very painful to get hit by my arm. I'm sorry, I wanna say officially here now that I am quite sorry for that. You're sorry. I do remember, I remember hating that scene.

Didn't accept that apology. Didn't accept the apology. I don't know, I don't accept it and we're gonna move on. I'm gonna hold that grudge forever. Yeah, we'll talk about this later. Yeah, we'll take that offline anyway. But I remember hating that scene because I was like, there was a part of me that I was like, I don't want, it was like a breakup scene. And I was like, we ha- you know what I mean? And I hated being like such an obvious prick to you.

There was something that was really hard about that in that moment. Um, because I also wanted somehow like selfishly to keep our relationship going, you know what I mean? No, it's a really good point and something that I wanted to talk about because you're in a situation when you're on a show and you're a guest star where you're like, I want to be here. I really like this and I want more. And then when your character starts doing things that you can feel is gonna put that at risk, you're suddenly at odds with like,

well, I really wanna do a good job and do this scene as scripted, but I also wanna like leave enough breadcrumbs that you'll want to have me back. 100%. And also, Patrick, I've been talking to Patrick each week about this television show. And just to reveal to you guys,

since you're not totally caught up on Sidebar, I think you grieve it too. Like, Patrick, you remember, like you plug in, you see that, you plug into like, I miss my friends. I miss these two. Like, he really talks about you guys all the time to the point where I feel like, you know, pretty angry about, you know, yeah, we're gonna offline.

But he likes you better than the rest of us. No, but he, pretty angry about. We'll offline that as well. Yeah, we're gonna offline. But he likes you better than the rest of us. No, but you missed them. Yeah, no, I had the same, I was on the other side of that scene, and it's funny, I don't think we ever actually talked about it like while it's happening, but it's like any time something would move towards that, they would be painful scenes to shoot

because it's like I didn't wanna lose you guys. Especially, you know, I'm the only one who is having scenes with you too, right? So no one else in the cast is having the experience working with you guys and how fun it is. And I feel like it's so vital, but I know that it's limited. I know that it's-

Well, and it's weird too when you come on and you're like guest starring on the show and you are our whole world, right? Totally, yeah, yeah, totally. Like we bump into people in the hallways or whatever, but like you are our whole world, right? Totally, yeah, totally. Like we bump into people in the hallways or whatever, but like you are our whole world. So to us, we're like, this is going great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like things are really working. Yeah, yeah. So for sure, it's all happening for us to know. Right. I remember like after that first or sec, I can't remember with first or second season, but I was out in LA for pilot season. And I remember like after that first or second, I can't remember if it was first or second season, but I was out in LA for pilot season. And I remember being like,

they're gonna make me and Tom regulars for sure. Like that's gonna happen. Exactly, they should have. What else? I mean, was that chemistry? Can you imagine? I remember, and I was like, and I got along with Mankin,

I was like, this is great. And then I remember talking to Aaron and he was like, it's not, we're going in a different direction. And I was like, oh, okay, oh, okay. So it was very confusing. Was that in the second season you were told? Second or third season. I remember that phone call.

Do you remember that? I remember the phone call from Aaron. Oh, there was a phone call, Tom, what do you? Yeah, it was a phone call, they called us. It was pilot season, I was in LA for pilot season after the first season had wrapped. And- Listener pilot season, just a reminder,

was a time that doesn't really exist anymore, but it was a time of the year when actors would all start auditioning for the pilots that would then hopefully get picked up and come out in the fall. That would become suits. Yeah, that would become suits. So it was a very big deal for actors to be available for pilot season. Right.

So I was there, I had done my rent a rec, which was like a West Side place where you could rent. I did that. Just a beater of a car. And I'd been going around for probably at that point, like a month and a half or two and just getting zero purchase on things. And I had walked out of an audition, I was on Sunset. at that point, like a month and a half or two and just getting zero purchase on things.

And I had walked out of an audition, I was on sunset. I walked back to the Beater, it had a parking ticket on it. I got in the car and Korsch called or he texted, he was like, hey, are you available to talk? And I was just like, this is where it all changes. Here we go, here we go, baby. This is what I'm waiting for. And he was like, we have a lot of characters on the show.

We think you guys are great, but we're probably basically like, you might come back for like one, but that's gonna be the end of it. And I was just like, okay, thanks. Thank you, Aaron. I really appreciate everything you've done. And hang up the phone.

Yes, yes. And Kablui, just balling. And this was the second, because we haven't gotten into the second season, but you guys still come and are involved at times, but this was somewhere towards the end of the, mid to end of second season. It must have been.

I can't remember exactly when it was, but I do remember it being like, after that first season of the show, like that pilot season, we got that call. And it was, it was just, it was interesting cause it was like, like I said, like you're in this little world where you're like, oh, this is all, we're doing great things.

This is the show, yeah. Now you watch the show and you go, or any show really, and you kind of pull back and you go, okay, I see my, the cog of that character or whatever, whatever. It makes sense. Makes sense, yeah. Logically and log go, okay, I see the cog of that character or whatever, whatever. It makes sense. Makes sense, yeah. Logically and logistically, but it's still, when you're the person inside of it,

you're like, I must have done it wrong, or did I do it good enough? For sure. And it has nothing to do with that whatsoever. And you also are like, I think all of us had kind of been at that position in our careers where it was like, oh, this is what it's supposed to feel like.

Right. You know? That's so true. Like, oh, this is what it's supposed to feel like. And then it doesn't go that direction. And it doesn't always, and I'm here to say, it doesn't always feel like that. It doesn't.

You're right? It just doesn't. Yeah. Even when it goes right. Even when it goes right. Even when you get picked up and you're on the show, it doesn't always feel that good and you don't get along with everybody that well.

Just don't get the special, like I said, camp. You're like, oh my, I keep talking about camp. I didn't go to camp. I don't know what I'm talking about. That's a theory. I never went to camp. I have no idea what camp was like. But people talk about it and it sounds great.

Yeah, but we're all kind of in camp in our career. Yeah. There's an intimacy, there's a camp intimacy. I think it's fun, I just want to point this out because we saw each other, Vanessa and I saw each other in the hall and came running towards each other across a great distance and leapt into each other's arms and we had never really met.

Really? Yeah. No. Briefly, crossing. We'd been in a makeup trailer together, I think. That time that I told you to get some SPF and wear hats, but like, it isn't, there is an intimacy and we even just talked about it outside of the studio

talking about kind of the community of actors, you know, and how we take care of each other, even if we haven't worked together, you know, let me put you in touch with so and so about this personal thing you're going through. And I think that is a magical thing about our business is that we are all these nomadic people, but we're there for each other

because we have this shared experience, whether we've been on screen with each other or not. And not even just on suits, but across the business, I think. It's a beautiful thing. It's an intense thing making a show when you find people that you really love and connect and you're like,

oh, because sometimes you go to work with people who are hard. And it's like, oh, this is making my day difficult and you're really happy to get home at the end of the day and take a break and then you have to put your armor back on to go back to work. When you find people that it is not that with,

where it's like, oh my God, I get to go to work and just be silly with these people and get paid to be silly or to be in love or to be funny or to have a fake fight with my friend and be sad about it. It's just such a gift and it is so, so rare. So thank you guys.

Where do you think Jenny and Trevor are now? Where are they in the world? In my heart. Where are they? Where are they in the world? In my heart. Where are they? I don't remember what happened to her. If we get to pick up where we left off, Erin writes us a show. What do you guys think we're up to?

I think there's still more in the tank, is what I'm trying to say, for these three characters. Great, great. And Erin, wherever you are, well, we know exactly where you are in the set of Suits LA. Suits LA.

You know you're busy writing another Suits show, but you have another one right here. Yeah, why don't you bring us all back into that one? Looks like Tom has something to say. Oh, Tom has an idea. He's pregnant with a very old idea. Oh, there he is, there he is, yeah. And go.

Well, it's funny because of course, my line of work has become legalized, both in Canada and all across the United States. And I was just like, is it fun for him to be like, all of a sudden to be like a pot farmer, to be like in the legalized version? Cause now every time I go to New York, it's just like the streets stink of-

Yeah, they're just on every corner now. It's everywhere. Every bodega. I think that means you're just rolling in it though. I think if the amount of money you were making as a black market, a briefcase dealing pot dealer, I feel like you're now running some corporation. Like you're a billionaire. I know. Although like towards the end I had sort of like really straightened up and I was essentially like a tea toddler and was really

hard lined into like Michael you need to turn your life around. That whole deal. Oh, right. Do you remember where you went when we get into our, you went to Montana. Remember that? Well, yeah, part where you're like, I guess I'll go to Montana. And frankly, I don't know why the phone call from Aaron being like, we're gonna kind of write you out

why that didn't hit me sooner when they were like, we're sending you to Montana. And I was like, huh, I'm sure I'll come back. I'm sure it's gonna work out. Montana. Listen guys we're I want to be mindful of the time that we have you for but there is this one more scene that I want to watch. Mike and Jenny because it is so sweet. Oh no. And we've talked a lot about it. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury please know. Can I ask a question? No you can't ask questions as a witness. about it. Powerful that's not you Thanks, no You are charming and funny and trustworthy if you do it like that

I'll fall in love with you Isn't she good? I feel pregnant There's my favorite song. Wait, it gets better. Hold on. Let it play. Let it play. Hold on. Wait.

Great look. Wow. Whoa. Don't worry. That's all. Oh, no, it's not on. That. The pickup.

That's what we're going to try. No wonder everybody hates me and looks at me as like I'm getting in the way. I've never seen that scene before. It's really cute. That's a good scene. Isn't it? It's so cute. You guys are so good in it.

Adorable. Yeah, and it's very. No, it's not me. It's both of us. It's a very good scene. Yeah. But also, Vanessa, what am I talking about? That's Patrick with the open face. Talk about an open face on Patrick. It's both of us. It's a very good scene. Don't you believe them? Also, Vanessa, what am I talking about?

That's Patrick with the open face. Talk about an open face on Patrick. And then we go in this episode, you should really, if you're gonna watch one episode of Suits, go watch this one, because you are really great in it. And it's also fun because then you go to the mock trial, obviously you shot it, maybe you remember,

you go to the office. And so it's the first time we see you and Rachel like in the same space. So it was so, it was a fun intersection. Well, I want to say something. So you're performing, you were so great. Sorry, I'm screaming. Can you fix that over there? Can we edit that?

Not possible, the editing machine broke. It's down. We do a fun thing over here on the Sidebar Podcast. We give an award, we give all kinds of awards for moments. And one of our favorite awards to give is the Gina Tor Riz. The Gina Tor Riz. Oh, what a retroface she has.

Yeah, so we're giving it to you, girl. In that moment. Oh my God. I'm surprised. I'm unsurprised by that. The whole scene, the look, the like look, the way you look at him, the way in the preceding scene when she's like, you trust me. It's this simplicity with so much depth and it just makes you lean in.

You got the it thing. The Gina it thing. I don't know about that. You got some too. I'll take it. We do a thing on this too where we just sort of do closing statements and again, I want to be aware of time.

Is there anything you want to say that has not been said about your time on Suits? Obviously, we have a lot of Suits fans watching this, who I think are going to be so happy to hear from you guys. And you guys have been so gracious with your experience of what it was like. But is there anything that you want to make sure you say in closing about what it was like, but is there anything that you want to make sure you say in closing about what it was like and anything else? Boy. If you feel stumped, we can cut all that.

Yeah, we'll cut all that. We don't need to state it anymore. Well, you know, I'll say this. Make it eloquent. Make it eloquent. You'll say this. Okay. I would say this.

Shh, Tom's talking. Yeah. Everybody shut up while I'm talking. No. Um, I will say this, beyond being, beyond being like more than grateful to all of you guys and to like my experience on set and all that sort of stuff, I find that, you know, like people have asked like,

oh, is it annoying that like, because people have started to come up to me as I'm sure they have come up. I mean, obviously they have come up to you forever, but they come up to me who play, you know, I was only in what? The 11 episodes, I think. Mm-hmm. And people have been coming up to me constantly.

I went, I want to, I was in, my wife was dancing in Germany and I was in Germany and people in 2015. So before the Netflix of it all, before all of this, and they came up to me and they were like, you're Trevor from Suits. And I was like, Oh my God. And I find that to be so special and such a wonderful thing that fans are able and consistently tune in and get involved. I think that's kind of this fantastic thing. And when people come up and are like, oh my God, you're in that show and I love that show, that that continues to have this other life and live for other people and you you can be like a small part of that.

I never dreamt that I would be part of something that's this big or has been this, has such a long life. And I just, I guess thank you guys for giving me that opportunity. I would say you're not such a small part. I know 11 episodes feels like small but they were really pivotal episodes in setting up the you know the the drama and the these characters so it's not I don't think it is such a

small part. I just want to correct you. Especially when you're part of the spring. You guys were the springboard right right, into these worlds. Yeah, well said though, thanks Tom. I just think it's like a really cool thing when people, like you said, like bring this up to you and that it's had this like second life that is so amazing because we all knew it was good and then now that it's, you know, it's got this second life to it or whatever,

it's great when anybody brings it up got this second life to it or it's great when anybody brings it up to me and I only have good memories. Like I only have happiness. Like I'm only delighted to get to talk about it or to say thank you or whatever. That is very rare to have done what you guys did to make a show where even when we come in and out,

we would feel like so loved and welcomed. So special. That's great. Do I send the checks to you guys' reps or? You can send it to my reps. Just cut my answer, keep hers, like with everything. Oh, can't. Guys, we love you so much. Thank you for coming.

Hopefully, maybe you'll come back and talk to us again at some point. I can't. Tom, tell us about your podcast before we leave. Tom, what about your podcast? Pitch what's going on for you guys. My brother, who is an investigative reporter, and I, we started a podcast during the pandemic called Gone South. It is a true crime, deep south podcast. First three seasons were each, each season was an individual crime that we report on. Um, we interview the people involved, the,

sometimes the people who perpetrated the crime and the original law enforcement, et cetera. And now we are in season four where we have a different story every week. So we have 39 true crime stories for season four lined up for the people. 39? That's a lot of work. Do you have any podcasting tips for us

as we are just sort of beginning our journey? You know, it's a long, it's a lot, it's a lot of stuff, there's a lot of podcast stuff. It's broken, you can hear the shattered. Yeah, it's a long case. It's a tough one, kid. You look, man, it's a long road, so just try to do your best.

I just remember whenever I would tell anybody like, oh yeah, I have a podcast, everybody's response is like, aw, that's cute. And I was like, no, no, no, but it's a real one. So you would fight, take yourself seriously so that everybody else will. I'm very excited to check out your podcast. Me too. That's very, very cool.

Please do. Thank you for telling us about it. Guys, thank you so much. This was such a treat for me because I didn't get to have this when we were shooting. I told you, right? You told me a hundred times. I told you how good it was.

You oversold it. I was like, oh God. I was like, no, they're really cool. It can't be that way. It can't be that good. Well, you exceeded all expectations. Way to go, Tom. We did it.

We did it. All right. Oh, thank God. Hope to talk to you again. I. Way to go, Tom. We did it. We did it. Oh, thank God. Hope to talk to you again. Hope to see you in person. Let's end with it. We started with a clap. Let's end with a clap.

And three, two, one. Oh, Tom. God damn it. What? That was perfect. Tom. What did he do? I'm on a delay.

He ruins everything. Look, man, I don't know how they do it on your podcast. It's that heavy, bro. We love you guys. Thank you so, I don't know how they do it on your podcast. It's that heavy brow. We love you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you. We'll do it again soon. Love you.

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