Sightings - Nightcrawlers

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

What lurks in the night near Sacramento California? Find out, on this month’s chilling episode of SIGHTINGS.  Story Music tracks used by kind permission of CO.AG Sightings is a REVERB and QCODE O...riginal. Find us on instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@sightingspod⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 I saw my friend on the other side of the street. I was heading to school with the kids. I let go of mom's hand to wave. I had already forgotten their lunches. I ran over to hug her. She came out of nowhere. And then... It stopped.
Starting point is 00:00:16 Sometimes the moments that never happen matter most. Volvo's automatic emergency braking helps ensure a safe ending for everyone. Learn more at VolvoCars.a.ca. I've always feared the night, not for what it is, but what it might hide. For centuries, we've told ourselves that the shadows outside our windows hold nothing but imagination. But what if something has been crawling through the night all along, silent and strange, just beyond the reach of the light? And what if it's coming for you? Welcome to sightings.
Starting point is 00:01:05 I'm McLeod. And I'm Brian. and we're back with another supernatural story performed by McLeod, plus a few of our favorite listener stories we've been sent. This month's feature story is one of the Internet's greatest mysteries. What lurks in the shadows around Fresno, California? Is it a creature, a walking pair of pants, or something else entirely? Find out on this episode of Sightings.
Starting point is 00:01:51 McLeod, it is summer. It's finally here. and it is hot. Yes, it is. So when I'm getting dressed, I want pieces that are lighter and more breathable. That's why I love Quince.
Starting point is 00:02:02 They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing and are perfect for warmer weather. Like linen pants and shirts, I love linen. Love linen. Just got a new linen shirt from Quince and get this,
Starting point is 00:02:14 it was just $34. Plus, Quince goes beyond clothing. Home goods, cookware, even furniture. Furniture. My wife and I got some pans, some ceramic non-stick pans. They're excellent.
Starting point is 00:02:25 Plus everything at Quince is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. I just got a new swimsuit from them. It's Italian. It's super fancy. But it's not priced like it. So elevate your summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash sightings for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too.
Starting point is 00:02:44 That's Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash sitings for free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince.com slash sitings. Okay, so, hi, welcome to my channel. This is, yeah, this is the first video, so there's nothing else here yet, but there's gonna be. That's kind of the whole point of this, so you can call me, D. And what that means is a mystery, the first among many on this show. It means you have to stay tuned, but yeah, I'm 22. I live in Fresno, and about four hours ago, I saw something, something I was.
Starting point is 00:03:25 I cannot explain it and I am here sharing it with you now because I think it's going to be a big deal like like a like a Genuinely big deal Okay, so let's go viral I was at my buddy Marcus's place tonight and it was late Maybe one in the morning and I walked home because he's like only six blocks away and it's like a whatever neighborhood So I'm cutting through this little park near his street and okay, this is important there's this drainage channel that runs along And you know, I'm just walking, not paying attention to anything, probably just watching the ground like usual. Not much to see here in Fresno, but something made me look up.
Starting point is 00:04:05 I don't know what it was, maybe a sound or something. I can't even explain why. It was just a feeling. I was like, oh, I should look up and I just looked up. And there on the other side of the channel, on the other side of this, like, drainage channel, were these two things walking. I know how that sounds like, two things, great, D, very descriptive. D, very descriptive, but I'm getting there, okay? Just like, they were not animals.
Starting point is 00:04:29 They were not people. They were walking upright on two legs, but like, the legs were like way too long and too thin. And there was basically nothing above the legs. Like the tiniest little round top and no arms. And I kept looking for arms. And there were none, none that I could find. It was almost like, it was almost like a walking pair of pants.
Starting point is 00:04:51 And I know it sounds crazy, but that's what they were. Like, pale pants, like white pants, whatever. I don't know. And one was taller than the other. Like, I don't know, father, son, mother, daughter. And, like, they were just walking through the light. And then they were gone into the dark on the other side. The whole thing was maybe like 10, 15 seconds.
Starting point is 00:05:14 And I didn't have my camera to take a video. I mean, I had my phone, but, like, the camera's crap. My friend just got an iPhone 4. Oh! one so bad. Yeah, well, maybe if this channel gets big, I can buy one. But anyway, I tried to take a picture with my phone, and all I got was, was like black with some orange smear from the streetlights completely useless. But here's the thing. Here's why I'm on YouTube at one in the morning. I looked it up. As soon as I got home, I looked it up, and these things, they have a name.
Starting point is 00:05:50 They're called the Fresno night crawlers. And there is actual footage of them from right here in Fresno caught on a security camera a few years ago. And the footage is real. Like people have looked at it. Experts have looked at it. Nobody can explain it. And there's more footage from up near Yosemite. And there were reports from other states too.
Starting point is 00:06:12 And someone even posted a video from Poland that looks like the exact same things. But nobody. Like nobody has actually caught them on. camera in person, like standing there, seeing them with their own eyes and getting it on video. All the footage is from security cameras and trail cams and stuff like that. So here's what I'm thinking. Here's why I'm here. Here's the play. They came through that park tonight, six blocks from where I'm sitting. And I figure if they came through once, there's a reason for that, right? There's something about that spot and maybe they come back. So I'm going to go back. I'm going to go back with
Starting point is 00:06:49 the real camera and I'm gonna set up and I'm gonna wait and when they come through again I'm gonna get it that's my plan I'm gonna be the first person to get actual real footage of these things standing there watching them happen it's gonna break the internet for real that video will go everywhere and I'm the one who's gonna get it I'm calling it right now like Babe Ruth pointed out because I already know where they are so yeah subscribe or whatever smash like this is gonna be good Okay, what up? What up, what up, what up? So it's been a couple weeks since my first video, and I just figured I owe you guys my, my followers, an update.
Starting point is 00:07:31 I went back to the park. Obviously, I went back. I said I was going to go back. And I've been back like eight times at this point, which I don't know, maybe that sounds a little bit insane or obsessive. But, you know, it's a park. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm just a guy sitting on a bench late at night with the camera. So, yeah, no luck yet. but I do want to talk about some stuff I found because I've been going really deep on this and some of it is wild. So I found an interview with the guy who did the original investigation into the Fresno footage, this like paranormal radio host who actually went and met with the guy whose
Starting point is 00:08:05 security camera caught them. And what's interesting is the guy who caught the footage, his dogs were like going crazy that night. And that's what woke him up, his dogs heard them first. And yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot since I read it because when I was walking through the park that night before I looked up and saw them, I don't know, something made me look up, some feeling, maybe a smell like the dogs, I don't know. And I keep thinking, what if there's something about these things that you can sense before you see them? Like the dogs felt something and I felt something and maybe that's like a real thing. Like I know that sounds like I'm reaching or whatever, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Just let me have this, guys. Let me have one good thing. So, the camera situation. Here it is. Check it out. It even has, like, night vision, which is awesome. It's like I'm playing Call of Duty or something. So when these things show up, I am ready.
Starting point is 00:09:04 I have practiced the angles. I know exactly where to point it. The other thing I want to say is that I looked into the Yosemite footage more, and the thing that stuck with me is that one of the things was taller and one was smaller. That's the same as what I saw. And in the Fresno security camp footage,
Starting point is 00:09:22 same thing, one bigger, one smaller. And the way people talk about it, it's almost like they're always together, like a pair. So why? Every single time, is there one bigger and one smaller? Are they the same two?
Starting point is 00:09:36 Is it like a family thing? A species thing? I have no idea. I just think it's interesting that every sighting, it's the same setup. Anyway, anyway, anyway, there's something else, something big. About a week after my first video, I'm at the laundromat, not the park,
Starting point is 00:09:54 just the laundromat around the corner from my apartment, and I'm sitting there waiting for my stuff, and this older guy comes in, local dude, and he starts talking to me, he's just chatty, whatever, and I'm like, dude, please, but, you know, I don't know why. I hadn't told basically anyone about this in person, but I told him what I saw in the park, and he didn't look at me like I was an idiot.
Starting point is 00:10:15 He just said that he'd heard of these things his whole life. He said his grandmother used to talk about them, that there were stories in this area about creatures like that, tall and pale and walking at night. They went back way before any of this YouTube stuff. He called them something in Spanish that I didn't catch, and then he just said the old people knew to leave them alone. And then his laundry was done, and he left.
Starting point is 00:10:39 And I've thought about that a lot. leave them alone, which is probably smart advice, but also I'm trying to film them. So whoops. We'll see. Anyway, more updates soon. I've got a good feeling about this week. Okay. I'm going to try to be calm because I think I need to be calm to get through this. But I want to warn you that I am not calm. I got to them on camera calm I'm calm I'm gonna say that again I got them on camera okay so um it was a few hours ago I've been switching up where I set up in the park because I figure like if there's a route they take I want to find it and there's this spot
Starting point is 00:11:33 closer to the drainage channel there's like a little concrete barrier you can sit on and from there you can see pretty much like the whole stretch where the street lights hit the ground it's a good angle and I I've been there a few times. So I'm sitting there and I've got the camera on like a little mini tripod pointed down the channel. And I'm honestly like falling asleep. You know, not going to lie, but out there a lot of nights, nothing has happened. So like I'm starting to wonder if I'm losing my mind.
Starting point is 00:11:59 But then they were just there. Both of them. Same spot as the first time. Right at the edge of the light. Same size difference. One taller, one shorter. And I cannot tell you the feeling in my chest when I saw them because. Oh, there's no word for it.
Starting point is 00:12:16 It's like, it was like, you know when something happens and your brain just goes completely quiet for a second? Like, like, it takes a moment to catch up. It's just like white noise, just that. And then my brain caught up and I grabbed the camera and, like, the footage is okay. Like, I've watched it like 20 times already. It's real. Like, you can see them.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Like, let me be clear. Like, it's, they're there. It's not perfect. There's motion blur in places because my hands are not steady. Like, I mean, I was shaking pretty bad because I was just so full of adrenaline or something. But you can see the legs. Like, you can see the shapes. You can see them moving.
Starting point is 00:12:57 You can see that there are two of them, like, like, like, two pairs of walking pants right there. It's there. And here's the part where I just need to be honest with you because it's been messing with me since it happened. About, like, 20 seconds into the filming, I stood up. I wanted to get a better angle. I wanted to move closer because the camera was getting it, but I wanted more. So I stood up and like the taller one stopped and turned toward me.
Starting point is 00:13:26 It didn't have like much of a face, right? And I've said this before. There's just this faint suggestion of something up there. But whatever was up there was like pointed right at me. And we just, I just stood there. And it just stood there. for like probably just a few seconds, but it felt a lot longer. And then the smaller one moved a little kind of closer to the bigger one,
Starting point is 00:13:53 and the bigger one turned back, and they both kept going, and then they were gone. Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, the footage is real. I'm going to put it together and post it. That part I'm sure about. But the part where it looked at me, the part where the small one moved closer, like it was, I don't know, like, it was being looked after or something. Like, does that mean something? The old guy at the laundromat said to leave them alone,
Starting point is 00:14:26 and I got my footage, I got what I came for, so I'm trying to figure out if I'm done. Like, I feel like I should be done. Like, I feel like I got the thing, and now I should just post it and leave it alone and be done. But, like, right before I started recording this, I watched it one more. time and in the part where the big one turned toward me when I zoomed in and like it's blurry I'm not saying this is definitive I'm not I'm not saying I'm sure but when I zoomed in it it kind of looks like there might be a third shape in the background like farther back in the dark just standing there and I don't know it just like really it's kind of it really creeped me out it really freaked me out
Starting point is 00:15:12 Something about it just didn't feel safe for good. And so, yeah, I think I'm done. I got the footage. That's what I came for. That's the whole reason I started this channel, and I got it. So I'm going to post it, and that's going to be that. And I'm not going back to that park. I'm just going to be really glad that it turned around and walked away.
Starting point is 00:15:38 Sightings will be back just after this. In the cloud, summer always reminds me of block bus. and I cannot tell you how excited I was when I found out that meyundies has Star Wars underwear. Oh, meandies, we've missed you. I love their soft, breathable fabric. It's lightweight and exactly what you want when it's hot. No bunching, no riding up, just comfortable all day. And in addition to Star Wars prints, they have an insane amount of other patterns and colors to choose from for men, women and kids. They use softer than soft, ultra-modal fabric, and best of all, it's responsibly sourced.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Yep. So if you want Star Wars underwear or classic black underwear or underwear with tigers on it, try Mi-Undies. If you aren't happy with your first pair, it's on Meyundies. Right now, sightings listeners can get up to 50% off your first order, plus free shipping at meundies.com slash sightings. promo code, sightings. That's up to 50% off, plus free shipping at Meyundies.
Starting point is 00:16:39 dot com slash sightings. promo code sightings. Welcome back, everyone. McLeod, that was a fun one. That was fun. I've never heard of this like lanky walking pair of pants. I've heard of like Slender Man. But like is this in any way connected to Slender Man?
Starting point is 00:16:58 No, it's much less creepy than Slender Man. Let's actually, let's watch the video. So wait, the video is real. The video is real. Not the video that this guy caught, but the original video. Security footage? So listeners, it's best just Google Fresno Nightcrawler footage, and you can probably find it anywhere. It heads up.
Starting point is 00:17:18 It is super grainy. It's like someone took video of a monitor playing the video. It's like the original footage is gone. But this was recorded in 2007 in Fresno, California by a guy named Jose. So, McLeod, why don't you tell us what we're looking at here? We've got a time code in the bottom left, 1248, 57. kind of grainy, gray, like almost bluish. There's a, before I even hit play,
Starting point is 00:17:46 there's what appears to be like a tree in the upper left-hand corner, and then there's like a figure. It's like a white figure that almost looks like a wishbone. Yeah, they're very weird. Oh, it's got a weird gait, like kind of flupy and floppy. It seemed like it cast a shadow. Oh, yeah, it's coming closer. Oh, that's weird.
Starting point is 00:18:05 The legs look really far apart, and, like, they're swinging from really hot. up. It's kind of like a wishbone meets pants kind of, you know? Yeah, weird. So those are the Fresno night crawlers, apparently, which have been seen in Yosemite and Poland and some other places, too. Whether those are all hoaxes or not is the question. But that's apparently real footage. So Jose, his dog started going crazy at night. He installed a security camera and then in November 2007 at 1238 or 1241, whatever time was on that time code, he recorded that. And he took it to the local Univision station. A paranormal investigator was brought in. He interviewed Jose. He studied
Starting point is 00:18:41 the property. And that's about all we know until 2010 when this paranormal TV show called Factor Faked tried to figure out if the video was a hoax or not. And they, in their infinite wisdom, I suppose, determined that it was real because they couldn't hoax it. And people have questioned whether or not these are real creatures. They're very weird looking. What came to mind watching the video, if I'm honest, because it is very grainy. And like, Given how the kind of what appear to be appendages, what appear to be legs, flow and wiggle a little, it looked to me a little bit like a person wearing a cape. And the light is just catching the cape more than it's catching the person inside.
Starting point is 00:19:20 That person would have to be so thin, though, because you can't, like, I don't know. And just also, I think they figured out from the video that whatever that is is, like, only three feet tall. Oh, okay. Well, a child in a cape. A child walking confidently in a cape. Which is creepy and in its own, right? Yeah, it is. And it's just such a weird, like, it's probably, it looks kind of silly, you know, and it'd be very kind of easy to write it off, you know, except that more of these things popped up in Yosemite than some people saw them in Montana, Ohio, Poland. Yeah. Always on security cameras or camera traps. No one ever caught it in person. Yeah, what's interesting is that it casts a shadow, which makes it think it's like, it's a tangible, real physical thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like a moat or, you know, like a dust or something weird on camera.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Or like an interdimensional kind of anomaly. Yeah, or a ghost. You know, do ghost cows shadows? I don't know. So what do you think it is? I don't get the sense that it's a hoax because that's like a weird roundabout way to try and do a hoax of like getting something on a security camera. Yeah. Like I just, it's just so, so grainy that like it strikes me as just like a sort of something that's tricking your eye a little bit.
Starting point is 00:20:29 But that's just like a person in a cape. and like the way the light catches the cape as opposed to the person inside the cape kind of. Well, it's two people in capes then because there's two of them. Oh, that is weird. Well, listeners, we'd love to hear what you think about it. Send us a message on Instagram or leave us a note on Spotify. But let's jump right into a quickie listener story. All right.
Starting point is 00:20:53 This one is from Rachel, from Australia. Amazing. And yeah, that's it. Let's get some music on. Okay. I was about nine or ten years old at the time living in a semi-rural area, two hours or so from the main city behind the church where my dad was working as the local priest. Oh no. It was late in the afternoon and I'd finished my homework so I was playing in the dirt at the front of the house with my younger brother, probably acting out some dramatic scene with our toys to keep out of our mom's hair as she cooked dinner. After a good 20 minutes of mucking around, I had this odd urge to look up and peer down the bottom of our long drive.
Starting point is 00:21:33 We occasionally had random people turning up at the house looking for after hours priestly guidance, so at first I figured my shy, spidey's senses were tingling at the prospect of an unwanted guest. And yes, my initial thought was correct. At the bottom of the driveway, I saw a young woman wearing a white tank top and black track suit pants with her blonde hair tied back into a ponytail, pushing her baby along in a stroller. Nothing odd there. So upon confirming my silliness, I just tried. shrugged my shoulders and went back to playing with my brother. But then the odd urge to look
Starting point is 00:22:08 came back. I vaguely remember a part of me not wanting to look back down the driveway, but I did it anyway. And there was no one there. It made sense. I figured she would have long since dropped out of view. But if there was no one, what was that odd feeling? I turned back to play again, but mere seconds later that urge to look came back again. It felt even stronger now. At this point, you'd probably just cut your losses and just go inside, right? Well, not me. I looked. What I saw looked a bit like the woman from earlier,
Starting point is 00:22:42 if only for the fact that her hair was blonde, though now loose and framing her face, and her build was the same. Her outfit had been replaced by a long-sleeved... Nope! Gosh, darn it! That's exactly what I was afraid. Her outfit had been replaced by a long-sleeved, white, dress. It's always lady in a white dress at the end of a long passageway is the worst.
Starting point is 00:23:08 Almost like a typical angel's gown. For some godforsaken reason, she was now climbing up and down the wooden telephone poles in the direction of our driveway. And as though she knew she was being watched, she suddenly turned her head, ooh! All the way around in the cliche horror movie, oh, I have no spine, way, and looked in my direction. Well, I say looked, but it was hard to be sure since her face was now a large black smudge, as though someone had switched it with an inked, blurry thumbprint. It was then that I quickly told my brothers something about seeing a ghost and just ran inside, hoping he was following me. I must have looked horrified because he was hot on my heels. Although my parents told me, I must have been tired and seeing things.
Starting point is 00:23:58 especially since my younger brother hadn't seen what I did, they could tell that I had been spooked from something. They told me that whatever it was wouldn't come any closer because the church would protect us. It must have been true because thankfully I never saw that lady or any other strange beings again. Well, at least not in that house. Oh, gosh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:24:23 That's the worst. Yeah, this one was creepy. How old was she again? 10 years, 9 or 10. And creepy woman in a dress crawling up and down the telephone poles. Telephone poles? That would freak me out enough,
Starting point is 00:24:36 let alone the exorcists head rotation. And like, it's always like, there's something about distance that is so frightening. I don't know what it is. Like, about, it's like the anticipation, I guess, and like the tension of like, will it cross that distance? And also the uncertainty of like,
Starting point is 00:24:56 you can't quite make out what you're seeing. Your imagination just explodes with that to try to fill that distance. Well, this one filled my imagination with lots of things that will give me nightmares tonight, I think. Yeah, I want to forget this one as fast as possible. Yeah, well, thank you, though, Rachel, for sending it in and terrifying us. But we're going to be back with one more longer listener story right after this. Twizzlers keep the fun going. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:25:24 I just stopped whatever you were listening to to tell you that Twizzlers keep the fun going. Well, irony isn't my forte, but twisty, chewy, yummy Twizzlers sure is. So think of Twizzlers as a little palette cleanser for whatever's queued up, which, by the way, should be coming very soon. Like any second now. Okay, Twizzlers, time to keep the fun going. All right, welcome back, everyone. We got one more story, McLeod. This one has a title that I thought was fitting for episode titled Nightcrawlers.
Starting point is 00:25:56 The title of this story, which is from Olivia, is, the ladies in the wall. Okay, well, I guess I sort of have an inkling of where this might be going. Let's get some music going and let's see where it goes. I grew up in northern Minnesota with a big family. I have seven siblings. My mom was a stay-at-home mom and my dad was a police officer. We never had a lot of money living off a cop salary,
Starting point is 00:26:22 so we moved from rental to rental for most of my early childhood. When I was eight or nine, my parents were finally able to buy a house cheap through a state auction. My siblings and I were obviously very excited to finally have space of our own. My dad wanted to fix it up and maybe sell it later for something nicer. The house was a five-bedroom, 1950s home, with a large backyard surrounded by woods. Of course it's surrounded by woods. About 30 minutes out of town. When we moved in, we found that the previous owners had left a lot of their furniture,
Starting point is 00:26:55 fancy china cabinets, wardrobes, and other random junk, as if they had moved out in a hurry and couldn't be bought. bothered to take the heavy stuff with them. The first few weeks were relatively normal. We settled in and fought over who got which rooms. I ended up sharing a room at the end of the second floor hallway with my two youngest sisters, Anna and Issey, who were five and seven. A room had a large crack in the corner of one wall. It was pitch black inside, like no light could reach into it. Oh, wow, so it was big enough to look into? That's upsetting. I was angry about it because I thought it would let spiders then, rightly so. I'd be kind of, I'd feel the same way. During the third week
Starting point is 00:27:36 we were there, I woke up in the middle of the night to a shuffling noise. It was Anna. She was standing in the corner of the room, facing the large crack in the wall whispering, stop it. I called her name and asked what she was doing. She didn't answer. I reached over and shook Issy awake. She looked toward the corner and stood up with wide eyes. She tried to be. shaking Anna, but she didn't react. So we grabbed Anna by the arms and pulled her back to her bed. She had a wide, unnerved. No, stop it. She had a wide, unnerving grin on her face. I didn't sleep that night. The next morning while we were playing outside, I asked Anna if she remembered the night before. She said, of course. I asked what she had been doing. She said she was talking to the ladies in the
Starting point is 00:28:29 wall. They wanted to be friends with her, but she wasn't allowed to tell mom. I got angry and told her to stop making things up. But then I started noticing other things. I would walk past rooms and hear humming, always the same tune getting louder as I got closer to our room. I'd open the door and find the room empty, as if the sound were coming from the walls themselves. I told my mom about it. I even heard it while she was standing next to me, but she claimed she heard. nothing. Sometimes I'd hear tapping from the attic in the same rhythm as the humming. I became terrified of our room, refusing to sleep in it to my parents' annoyance. I wasn't the only one noticing things. My brothers, who were self-proclaimed adventurers, started refusing to go into the woods
Starting point is 00:29:17 behind the house. They claimed that when they were exploring, they were being followed by two figures, the shadows of two women who stayed the exact same distance behind them no matter where they went. or which direction they turned. When they looked back, the figures were just there, quietly following. Anna's sleepwalking became more frequent. She would wander to different parts of the house, but always ended up back at the crack in her bedroom wall, whispering to the ladies inside.
Starting point is 00:29:48 She'd grow hysterical when we demanded she stop. Issy and I begged our father to fix the crack. We finally wore him down. One Sunday morning before church, he filled it with plaster and painted it over. When we got back, the plaster had started crumbling and turning yellow. My dad thought he must have mixed it wrong and said he would try again soon. But I knew something didn't want it covered.
Starting point is 00:30:13 By bedtime, it was completely open again. As time went on, the feeling in the house began to sour. It was like a blanket of constant unease hung over us, a pit in our stomachs. I could tell my mom felt it too. My kind-hearted and patient mother became irritable and angry. angry, starting fights over anything. She looked sickly and ill, like something was sucking the life out of her. It reached a peak about nine months after we moved in. My dad was working a late shift. Everyone was at each other's throats. After dinner, Anna and one of my brothers got into a fight.
Starting point is 00:30:49 He hit her hard, and she started crying. My mom sent him to his room. I watched him stomp up the stairs. He stopped near the top. Then it was as if someone had bawled up a fist in the back of his shirt and yanked him down. He flew down the stairs. And the chaos, Anna simply said, my friends don't like when you're mean to me. My horrified mom rushed him to the ER. He needed 11 stitches in his forehead. That was the breaking point. Everyone thought he just fell, but I knew better. Something had pulled him down the stairs. I don't think my mom truly understood what was happening, but she demanded we move. She blamed it on the isolation of being so far from town and family and having no one to help with the children, saying she couldn't take it anymore.
Starting point is 00:31:39 She even threatened divorce if we didn't leave. Eventually, my dad agreed. We sold the house and moved closer to town. Everything stopped. Anna stopped sleepwalking. She stopped talking about the ladies in the wall, claiming she didn't know what we were talking about when we brought it up. The cloud of dread had disappeared. It was like a breath of fresh air. Now in my early 20s, I've tried to rationalize it to chalk it up to children's overactive imaginations, but I've talked to my siblings. They remember those months as vividly as I do, save for Anna who remembers nothing of that time. We know what we felt. We know what we saw. We can't all have imagined it. I only hoped that the people who moved in after us had better luck, and that they stayed out of the bedroom at the
Starting point is 00:32:28 of the hall. That's like just ready made to be a movie. Yeah. The ladies in the wall. I know. Like literally you just call it the ladies in the wall. It's interesting that they only seem to communicate with Anna. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:42 You know, when kids have imaginary friends or talk to nothing, there's nothing more unnerving about that because you know that it's probably their imagination, but what if it's not? Yeah, you know, it's also like there's obviously there's the issue of like sleep. walking, night terrors. My brother used to get night terrors, especially like if he got a fever. And it was bonkers. Oh, wow. I'd like wake up and he'd be like in the hallway with my dad trying to like calm him down and trying to like let him know he was safe. And like, it wasn't even like he was screaming or like afraid, but it was just like he was just in a different place. Oh, goodness. But like the women in the woods following the brothers, like that's strange. Like there is an odd consistency to like them feeling like they were being followed by ladies in the woods and
Starting point is 00:33:32 talking to ladies in the walls. Their mom just becoming kind of irritable. I don't know. Sometimes when there's this supernatural feeling in a house, it can just kind of suck the life of out of everybody in a weird way, you know? And it's also like, you know, I think not to dismiss this story, but like sometimes when it's like through the perspective of children, especially if there's like, sleepwalking or like night terrors or dreams if there's something going on with the parents
Starting point is 00:34:02 that like they don't understand like the mom is just like irritable angry snappy not happy like there's it's very possible there's something just very terrestrial going on with the parents that they're not including the children on but the children feel it and like and their imaginations like an anxiety about why is mom unhappy, why is dad unhappy, starts filling in the gaps with explanations. But, you know, if it was just some childhood imagination compounded by external forces, like, that kid still got yanked down the stairs.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Could that have been dramatized to an extent? I don't know. Could be, it could be, I mean, like, could be, could be the shirt got caught on something, could be just fell in a very abrupt way. I mean, I don't know. Like, again, I don't want to dismiss it. But it's just trying to think of, trying to think of explanations for what is a very scary situation. Yeah, but Olivia, thank you for sharing that story with us because that was
Starting point is 00:35:01 definitely creepy. And like McLeod said, it could be a movie. Yes. So yeah, so that's this month's episode. Next month, we are going to be heading to the Great Outdoors, McLeod. Excellent. We got a creepy story in a national park and then a summer camp story. And it's going to be a lot of fun. All right. Just in time for summer. Just in time. The hardest summer. Here we go. So we will see you all then. Same time, same place next month, right here on sightings. Bye everyone. Sightings is hosted by McLeod Andrews and Brian Sigley. Produced by Brian Sigley, Chase Kinzer, and McLeod Andrews.
Starting point is 00:35:37 Series music by Mitch Bain. Mixing and mastering by Pat Kicklighter. Artwork by Nuno Sarnatus. Sightings is presented by reverb and cue code. If you like the show, be sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.