Sightings - Skinwalker Ranch

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Utah, 1994: A rancher’s dream of quiet country life curdles into terror when his new land reveals its true nature. Under the endless Utah sky, something ancient and hungry is watching—stalking his family, devouring his cattle, and proving that some ground was never meant to be settled. Sightings is a REVERB and QCODE Original. Find us on instagram ⁠⁠@sightingspod⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And now it has its eyes on you. Welcome to sightings, the series that takes you inside the world's most mysterious supernatural events. Each episode brings you a thrilling story that puts you at the center of the action, followed by a discussion that dives into the accounts that inspired the story and our takes on them. I'm MacLeod. And I'm Brian, and it is the first week of October. It's finally here, McLeod. A spooky season!

You got it. So we got some extra chilling sightings episodes coming at you this month, starting with, of course, the granddaddy of creepy. He places, Skinwalker Ranch. Just the name evokes terror and makes my skin crawl. You're already hitting us with the puns. That's right. So, without further ado, venture with us to a remote plot of land in Utah, where uninvited

residents are about to make one man's life a living nightmare. Find out how on this episode of sightings. that land. Does that make me a sucker, a fool, a blind man? Maybe I'll never know. I'm honestly just glad I'm alive to tell the tale. Because that land, that God-versaken ranch? I'll tell you that ranch has teeth. Name's Terry Sherman, born and raised in cattle country, and I like to think I knew the difference between a good deal and a raw one. And in 1994, I thought I'd found the best deal in my life. Four hundred and eighty acres in the Uinta Basin and northeastern Utah. Rolling pasture,

waterways, the works. Good grazing territory for as many head of cattle as I could ever want to breed. It was the kind of property I'd dreamed about since I was a kid. And the price? Practically a gift. But looking back, the warning signs were there. I was just too dumb to see him, I guess. I mean, the house itself was strange. There were dead bolts on every door, not just the outside ones, but the inside ones, too. The windows were all permanently locked shut, and hanging from the walls were these heavy metal chains. The kind you used to restrain attack dogs, big ones. Even the paperwork carried odd clauses, like no digging without explicit permission. At the time I chalked it all up to the owners being eccentric old timers. But now,

I reckon they'd been terrified. We moved in on a bright spring morning. My wife, Gwen and my two kids were just as excited as I was. And as we pulled up that dirt drive and the moving truck, I felt like I'd finally stepped into the life I'd always wanted. But as Gwen and I were unloading boxes from our truck, I spotted something moving across the pasture. At first I thought it was a wolf, and okay, ranges have wolves, not ideal, but I'd make do. But as the thing got closer, I realized this was no ordinary animal. The thing was massive, easily three times the size of any wolf I'd ever seen. It had thick, gray, silver fur, and insanely blue eyes that were fixed right on my family and I.

Ignoring my newly arrived cattle, it strode straight across the pasture like it owned the place, perfectly calm and collected until it walked straight up to Gwen and me its shoulders came nearly to my chest and it stared at me with those ice-blue eyes and I swear it was so calm that I thought it might be tame so I made what in hindsight

proved to be a pretty stupid decision I reached out and petted it the thing seemed to savor the touch for a moment then without warning it lunged at the cattle pen and clamped its jaws around a little calf's head. The calf bawled in terror, kicking and thrashing while the wolf tried to drag its body through the fence, so I grabbed my 357 magnum and fired point blank into the thing's torso.

But that wolf didn't flinch a bit. So I shot again, then a third time. Those bullets punched into its body like they were nothing more in mosquito bites. On the fourth shot, it finally released the calf and backed away. but it still showed no signs of injury. So I grabbed my rifle and put a fifth shot straight into it. But I tell you, that wolf just turned and started walking away, looking back at me every so often, just a glare.

My son and I followed its tracks, since I sure as hell wasn't going to let a predator like that roam my land. The prince led us toward the cotton woods near the creek, but when we came out onto this open mudbank, something impossible happened. The tracks just stopped, not at the water or on the rocks. They ended right in the middle of open mud. This huge animal had simply vanished into thin air.

And now that, that was just day one. After that, strange things started happening around the ranch on a regular basis. Objects would disappear and turn up in impossible places. Gwen would put groceries away, then come back, minutes later to find them back in their bags on the counter. She thought she was losing her mind when she found lost keys in the freezer and a bottle of shampoo in the dishwasher. Then it started happening to bigger things. I had this big old post digger, this 70-pound thing that was sitting in the field while I went to go grab a wrench from my truck. But when I came

back five minutes later, that post-digger was gone. We searched everywhere for that thing until finally my daughter spotted it hanging 20 feet up in a tree. Out in the fields, things were no better. I started noticing lights in the distance during my evening rounds. At first, I figured they were trespassers, just hunters or kids, showy riding on my property. But as it kept happening, night after night, my son and I decided to confront whoever it was.

So we hopped on our horses and approached what looked like headlights of an RV. But as we got closer, something extraordinary happened. The lights lifted off the ground. Whatever the thing was floated silently above the tree line. A huge triangle projecting these multi-colored lights onto the snow below. It also made no sound at all, not one peep. After that, objects in the skies became a constant presence. Strange craft, silent orbs, things too fast.

follow. They appeared so often that I started carrying my rifle scope to study them. And I started to notice that some of these orbs, the ones that looked orange from a distance, they seemed to have openings in their centers. And through those openings, I swear I could see blue sky, even in the dead of night, like those orbs were doorways to somewhere else. Winter hit the Uint of Basin hard that year, and that's when my cattle started disappearing. The first time it happened, I spent almost 24 hours on horseback in a blizzard searching for a missing cow. I finally found her tracks in deep snow and from their spacing. I could tell she'd been running at full speed, which it's mighty strange behavior for cattle in a storm. The tracks led me through a thicket to this

clearing where they just ended, right in the middle of open ground with nowhere to hide, nowhere to go. The cow had vanished just like that wolf. Over the winter, I lost four more ahead in the same way. Each time the financial hit got worse, and of course I couldn't explain to anyone what was happening. How do you tell people your cattle are just disappearing into thin air? But as weird as vanishing into thin air might be, nothing could prepare me for what came next. One bitter cold afternoon, I was checking on my herd near this muddy drainage canal when I spotted a young heifer stuck in the ditch and struggling to climb free.

She wasn't in immediate danger, so I left her while I finished checking the other cattle figure and I'd return in 20 minutes to help. But when I came back, she was dead. And not just dead. She was altered, mutilated, I guess is the correct term. Something had carved out her entire rear end with surgical precision,

The cut was perfectly clean, like it had been made with some kind of impossible machine. But the most disturbing part was the complete lack of blood, not one drop anywhere. Now, I'd heard stories about cattle mutilations from other ranchers, but I'd always dismiss them as tall tails. And I'd seen predators tear into cattle before, coyotes, cougars, you know, but nothing, nothing like this. and as I knelt there beside that dead animal the full weight of what was happening finally hit me my ranch which seemed like my dream property was finally revealing its true nature

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to help us forge a better path for mental health care. Three more mutilated cattle turned up over the next few months. months, all with that same surgical precision, all completely drained of blood. I tried telling myself, it might be some lunatic with too much time on his hands, but the tracks told a different story. In each case, the cattle had been running until every trail ended the same way, cut off cleaning the middle of open pasture, and each time Gwen and I would see lights out over the pasture

the night before it happened. So I started to believe the lights and the killings were all connected. And whatever was up there, it wasn't just watching us. It was taking. Inside the house, the strangeness grew unbearable. Quinn told me she'd hear voices when she was alone.

Low murmurs in the language she didn't recognize. Doors would slam in the night even when the air was still. And objects kept moving around. around with no rhyme or reason. One night, Gwen came home late from work and spotted what looked like a brightly lit RV parked in our pasture. Through the windows, she could see a figure sitting at a desk, a huge figure wearing all black, including some kind of helmet.

And then that figure noticed her and stood up, revealing itself to be at least seven feet tall. It stared at Gwen until she slammed the gas and raced back to the house, unable to shake the feeling she was followed. The next morning, we found footprints in the mud where she'd seen the RV. But these weren't human prints. They were huge, some 18 inches long with a boot shape that had no tread pattern. We followed them for a while and realized they circled the house, like they've been pacing or hunting.

We all ended up sleeping in the same room after that. kids tucked between us because none of us wanted to be caught alone. But even then, I could feel something out there. Then came the blue orbs. These weren't like those orange ones I'd seen earlier. These were smaller, maybe the size of baseballs. And they had this glassy exterior with what looked like boiling blue liquid inside. And whenever they appeared, they brought with them the most overwhelming fear I'd ever experienced, not just a startled feeling. This was pure, primal, terror, like the orbs were broadcasting it straight into our minds. And it wasn't just us. The cattle and horses would go absolutely crazy whenever those orbs showed up. And it's strange, the orbs would

always stay just out of reach, like they were herding them or studying them or both. I tried to reason it all out. Was the government testing some kind of advanced technology? Or was it something older, like the youth legends the locals talked about? The ones about skin walkers haunting the land. Whatever it was, it was intelligent. It was hostile. And it was winning.

By about a year in, we'd lost 14 hat of cattle. Gwen had lost her job and the kids were failing at school we were facing bankruptcy and nobody was sleeping then came the final straw it happened one evening when I was sitting on my porch with my three hunt dogs it was a normal night all things considered but then I spotted one of those blue orbs emerging from the tree line my dogs immediately started ground and embarking at the thing

and without thinking I let them loose These were tough dogs, Australian healers, that could handle anything. But as they chased that orb toward a thicket of trees, I realized I'd made a grave mistake. The orb seemed to be leading them on purpose, always staying just ahead of their snapping jaws, guiding them further and further away from me. I called for them to come back, but they were too focused on their prey. Then they disappeared into the tree line, and I heard three horrible yelps. before the woods went silent.

I wanted to rush in after them, but Gwen pulled me back. She said we'd go at dawn. But I waited out there on that porch all night, waiting for those dogs to come home, but they never did. So when morning came, I went into the thicket to look for them,

and I found them all right. In a small clearing, there were three perfect circles of burned grass, each about six feet across and in the center of each circle was a pile of what looked like ash the incinerated remains of my dogs

I can't put into words the rage I felt right then the helplessness those dogs weren't just animals they were family and whatever had taken them wanted me to know that it could take anything anyone at any time

so I gathered my family that same day and told them we were leaving no discussion no trying to tough it out anymore whatever was happening here we couldn't fight it couldn't understand it and couldn't protect ourselves from it but we'd sunk everything we had into the ranch and had nowhere to go besides who would buy a property where cattle disappeared and dogs got incinerated by invisible forces so from the hotel room we were were staying in that night. I made a decision that probably saved our lives. I contacted the local newspaper and told them about some of the strange activity on the ranch. Not everything, but enough to get the story out there without making me seem completely insane. And yeah, the story got out all right, picked up by the Associated Press even. It turned us into the laughing stock of the basin, of course. Some called us liars. Others said we were chasing attention. A few did believe us, but most just shook their heads. And then the phone

rang. A man named Robert Bigelow had read the story. He said he was a billionaire and offered to buy the ranch outright to use for what he called scientific research. So we sold the ranch. You better believe it. And in July of 1996, we signed the papers and handed over the keys. Two years of terror. gone with a handshake. As we packed the last of our things, I stood at the edge of the pasture and looked out over the land one last time. It was beautiful, no doubt.

And I reckon that on any other day, to any other man, it would look like paradise. But I knew better now, because that land had teeth. And as for the new occupants, whatever it is they're doing, I just pray they're smarter than we were. and that they get out before it's too late.

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Pre-sale tickets for future events subject to availability and vary by race. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at mx.ca.ca slash Y-Amex. Welcome back to sightings. As always, I'm here with my co-host, Brian, who wrote that creepy, creepy story that I had such fun bringing to life for you. I'm excited for Brian to kind of guide us through some facts about this story and then we can discuss kind of how we feel about it, I guess, you know? We'll drink some tea and talk about our feelings. There's a lot of feelings to be had on this one because we've got what?

Creatures. We've got lights in the sky. We've got portals. We've got ghosts in the house. I don't really know. It's just a lot happening. It's wild. Yeah.

It's an epic, epic story. Which is why I think it's become such an infamous paranormal site. in a way. And I should say that everything that was in the story allegedly happened. I did zero finessing on this. It was basically, here's the story, here's what happened. I just put it in the voice of the guy, you know, who was real, his family was real. They were at the house from 1994 to 1996. And I can only imagine what they were going through where each day it's a new horrifying adventure. But they lasted two years. And let me add a little bit of cool content. too for this, because there's some fun, fun facts about this ranch, too, and a few fun things that I couldn't fit into the story that are worth talking about. Okay. So regarding that wolf creature that showed up on moving day, that was super terrifying, but they decided to pet it. I know that was an amazing moment. Hi, doggy. Then it tried to kill the lamb. Now, the last wolf in Utah had been shot in 1929. So there were no wolves in that area or in Utah in general in over seven,

70 years. Okay. But there's one other really cool scene that didn't end up in the story that involves a creature of some kind. So at some point, this guy shows up on Terry's land, asking if he can meditate on it. And Terry was like, okay, I guess. I guess the guy had heard about the land or something like that. Yeah. So Terry let him out into the pasture a couple hundred yards from a tree line and just watched him as he started to meditate. And as this guy was meditating, Terry started to hear some weird sounds coming from the woods and saw this movement, but he couldn't quite make out what it was. And then something, this kind of blurry shadow almost emerged from the woods and ran right up to the meditating guy. And it roared

right in his face. Uh-huh. And it scared the hell out of the meditating guy. Well, sure. And then the thing ran right back into the woods and disappeared. And this was in the middle of of the day? Middle of the day. And it seems like the best way to describe what this thing looked like. Terry said that a few weeks later, he was watching Predator with his family. And you know that cloaking effect that the Predator had, that kind of invisibility thing? That is exactly what Terry saw.

Oh, weird. Like almost ripples like in a heat, what's it called? A heat mirage almost, kind of. Yes, like a heat mirage or it was like a cloaking effect or something like. that, which is absolutely wild. Yeah. So that was one of the other cool things that happened while the family were there. But as we heard in the story, they ended up selling the land two years after they moved in to Robert Bigelow. And Robert Bigelow is the guy who founded a hotel chain. I want to say like America's Best Inns or something like that.

And he's always been into the supernatural, like especially alien stuff. But at the time, he had this organization called NIDS, which is National Institute for Discovery Science. Okay. And these people basically assembled a team to set up all this equipment on the ranch and have all these PhDs just sitting there watching and waiting for something to happen. And did it? Stuff did happen. Before I go there, I should say that this was actually not the end of Terry's story.

Because Terry stuck around. Oh, after he sold it, he stuck around? He sold it, but he stayed on as the ranch manager. Okay. Because all of his cattle, obviously he was losing cattle. He was nearly going bankrupt. But Robert Bigelow came and he's like, I want a bunch of cattle here too in case, you know, the aliens take them or mutilate them or whatever.

As like bait. As bait, essentially, yes. And they needed someone to kind of watch over the ranch and manage these cattle. And Terry's like, I'll do it as long as they don't have to sleep here. So Terry stayed on as ranch manager. And in a way, I think that's kind of crazy, number one. But at the same time, I'm like, if he wants to get to the bottom of what, what in the world was happening to his family, that seems like a good way to do it.

Yeah, that squares for me to be kind of like, listen, I want to be here to find out what you find out. Exactly. And when you've got unlimited resources like Bigelow and this organization seem to have, it seems promising. Right. So they had a team of scientists, PhDs. They had like electromagnetic measurement set up. They had light measurements, things set up, night vision, radio frequency analyzers, all sorts of stuff. And multiple times, they had weird encounters over the first couple years, basically. Okay. They would see lights in the sky, but whenever they tried to photograph them, they just show up as little like print bricks in the distance. Which is always the case. I mean, have you ever tried to take a picture of a beautiful moon? And it's just like, oh. It's like, this is depressing.

So, yeah, they did have some of their cows got mutilated. So they were able to record that. They record that? What do you mean? Well, not record the actual mutilation process, but they... They documented the after... The aftermath, yeah. So at one point, there were a bunch of guys who were just, they just posted up at night and just waited and watched the skies, basically, and just waited to see if anything would happen. One guy saw, he had these night vision goggles, and the two guys next to him did not have the

night vision goggles. He's like, there is a giant black thing moving along the tree line right now. And the thing apparently spoke to him telepathically, and it said, we are watching. you. Okay. At one point, another guy or group of people saw this tunnel form, kind of like a portal, I guess, what you could say, but it had more of a tunnel shape, I guess, above a pasture. And then they saw a creature of some kind climb out of it. And the thing had no face. And then what did it do? I guess it just ran off. Yeah. They had a whole bunch of cameras pointed at it and stuff, and it picked up nothing. Which I hate to say, like, feels like convenient, but. But you have to. to imagine these guys they wanted probably so bad to record something sure yeah yeah so which leads me to wonder is like are these things able to manipulate optics or something like that in a way right or is it all just like kind of like hallucinations being engendered in the people there yeah no that's valid um i think the point of all this is a whole bunch of stuff seem to be happening these guys uh from

1996 when uh tom sold in the ranch to 1994 when they kind of slowed down their process of doing stuff on the ranch. Yeah. By that time, in those eight years, they had nothing concrete and provable of what was happening here. So the billionaire with all the fancy gadgets doesn't, was not able to collect any concrete evidence, either video or audio or... Which is so frustrating to me because I feel like of all the places that we've explored,

this one has seems to be more of like yeah an epicenter of weird stuff you know so if anything's going to happen and get recorded somewhere it's going to be here yeah unfortunately it's all just anecdotes and I don't doubt the validity of their claims necessarily because so many independent groups have had weird experiences there yeah but I think for me one of the big questions is what in the world is going on there and because tis this season like I want to lean more into like what

could these things be if they are things? Absolutely. So let me give you a little bit more corroborating evidence, I guess, that can kind of inform the theories. Whatever you want, throw it at me. All right. So it's worth noting that there have been thousands, literally thousands of UFO sightings in the Uenta Basin area since the 1950s. It's a lot. It seems to be kind of a hot spot for weird stuff. There was a kind of a rash of cattle mutilations in the 60s and 70s, which is before this family, this family moved there by decades. And the Ute Native American tribe, who had the reservation right next to the land, have stories and stories and stories about this ranch. They say that it is the path of the Skinwalker, which is where I think the name might have come from.

The name come from. Yeah. Okay. They believe that the land was cursed, and they basically forbid tribe members from setting foot on it. Cursed by what? Do we know the story of the curse? Well, Skinwalkers kind of have a whole bunch of lore surrounding them. I think the basic idea of a skinwalker is that it is someone who has been cursed,

who is fated to kind of be a shapeshifter and has become evil. It's like pure evil, incarnate almost, in a weird way. Oh, oh, no. Now, what I read in some of the research I did for this was that some Utes believe that Navajos, which is a different tribe, put a curse on the Uts. Oh. And since then, there were Skinwalkers. Okay.

But the thing that kind of bumps with me about, the whole skinwalker thing. It makes sense for like that weird giant wolf creature. But like we have like portals and lights and stuff that's not skinwalkery necessarily. Yeah, the portals and lights, that stuff doesn't feel. Yeah. All right. So explanation wise though, let's go from on the spectrum from like hoax to this is 100% real. Okay. Starting with hoax. Is it plausible that all these stories were made up to amp up the selling price at the ranch? You know, they're like, oh, we we messed up here and we need to come up with something to like ranches can just fail like he it could have just been failing for whatever reason and and he did need desperately to sell it there's also the

theory that all of this was kind of natural phenomenon and this is something that the nids it's so funny saying nids hold on this is something that the knit the nits team you just threw me completely I know there's no coming back from but they theorize that, like, are there, like, tectonic phenomenon here that could create weird light phenomena? Like, releasing gas, methane pockets and stuff? Or, like, interact with the human brain in some weird capacity. Well, I mean, I've heard theories that the Oracle of Delphi was actually just, like, a place where there was natural gas leaking out of the earth, and it gave people visions and hallucinations. Yeah.

But I think they didn't find anything, number one. And number two, like, even though there's no, like, concrete, like, foot. Like, here's a UFO or here's a portal that's been photographed. There was a lot of actual physical evidence in the sense of, like, here are some mutilated cattle. Right. Is there a thing that could do that, like, in that environment? I can't imagine any situation that. Well, unless the coyotes had surgical tools.

Okay. You are, yes. You know, the cows were exanguinated. There was no blood anywhere. There were surgical cuts. And that has that, is that just kind of like what he says? happened? That's what the NIDs team saw as well. So I didn't look up the actual pictures of it, but Okay. Yes. Freaky. So there's also the theory that this was somehow the military. And Terry

Sherman seemed to think that they could be involved. And it remains to be seen. Like was this ranch kind of some kind of testing ground for advanced technologies of some kind? Like a sort of like maybe like a microwave ray that like evaporates the blood from within, kind of like boils the blood away of an animal from within? Maybe that, or I can imagine portals or something like that, or at least lights in the sky being some kind of... Portals would be pretty darn advanced even for DARPA. Now, related to this, and then this is kind of cool. NIDS hired some remote viewers, five of them, it sounds like, to look at the property from a distance and do what they did.

For those who aren't familiar with remote viewing, remote viewing is the idea that you have a guy who has extracentric perception of some kind, who's sitting in a room in New York or something like that. And they're like, okay, go look at this ranch in Utah, and they were able to do it and see it and describe it and talk about things that are happening or documents that are there or whatever. You know, it's an espionage kind of thing. They had five people look at this property. Three of them perceived an underground base of some kind on the land itself. One of them saw Navy personnel walking around inside said base. Is that coincidental? or, you know, it's kind of weird.

There's a lot of layers there. And, of course, the ultimate explanation, I guess, would be that there are aliens or interdimensional beings or something actually happening on this land. Yeah, there's interdimensional beings, and they're real fans of the round cut of beef. The one thing that jumps for me on this is, if there are aliens, for instance, why are they moving around their shampoo bottles and talking to them in weird languages at night

because there was just so much stuff happening here unless I guess like here's the thing if it is like government a government

testing lab of some kind and like they're working on say an invisibility cloak of some type or an invisibility suit I could see that well that would explain the shimmering mirage

looking character running out and yelling at the meditating guy which why do you do do that? Why do you go out and yell at a meditating guy? Maybe to just kind of like see if you can do it. Yeah. Like can I run out in front of this guy, yell at him. Yeah. And like him still not be able to find me or like know what I'm doing. And same goes for I guess the shampoo bottles. It's like,

can I sneak into these people's home, move around their shampoo bottles and whatever, wearing my invisibility suit and like not have them know what's going on? I think the fact that we have been bouncing all over the place trying to find out, is what makes this irrespective of whether it's true or not so appealing and interesting and kind of terrifying in a way because I certainly wouldn't spend any time on this ranch. A hard agree. Like, I am not convinced by any of this, but I don't want to find out. I don't want to go there. Exactly. And pet this dire wolf. Well, listeners, that's Skinwalker Ranch. We hope it was at least a, at least unsettling story for you because it is spooky season. But if you've had any

experiences of Skinwalker Ranch, because I feel like people have gone there and you can just go and walk around and stuff. Or like at any ranch, because it seems to be like the ranch thing. Yeah. So like if you can corroborate the ranch thing. Please do. Hit us up on Instagram at SightingsPod or leave us a message on Spotify. We love to read those, respond to those. And if you're enjoying the show, leave us a review on Apple or Spotify or wherever you do. Five stars is awesome. All right, I am so excited to be in the midst, right in the thick of spooky season. We, like, I feel like I am the flickering candle inside your jack-o-lantern.

Uh, let me be, let me be the flickering candle inside your jack-o'-lantern. Um, Brian, tell me where I shall flicker off to and haunt next week. We're actually heading into the dark. That's not what I'm going to say, because we're going to kind of explore some of the creepy things that go bummed. in the night. I'm not going to say what because I don't want to give it away, but it is going to be

an extra creepy episode that I am so excited to do for all of you guys. The dark. Our clue is the dark. Yes. Brian, that's obtuse even for you.

Well, I could have said we're going into the bedroom, but I didn't want to. Wow. All right. This episode is sponsored by Meundies. That was a freebie.

for them. All right, but listeners, meet us next week, everyone, same time, same place, except we're going to be in the dark, it's going to be extra creepy, you're going to love it, and I cannot wait. See you then. Nothing's worse than my imagination. And that's what the dark does. So I'm ready.

I'm excited, and I'm scared. As you should be. See y'all then. Sightings is hosted by McLeod Andrews and Brian's. SIGley. Produced by Brian Sigley, Chase Kinser, and MacLeod Andrews, written by Brian Sigley, story music by Madison James Smith, series music by Mitch Bain, mixing and mastering by Pat Kicklater of Sundial Media, artwork by Nuno Sarnatus. For a list of this episode sources, check out our website at sightingspodcast.com. Sightings is presented by reverb and cue code. If you like the show,

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